I've been playing paradym irons for best part of a year, as I found them to be long & forgiving (first iron purchase in 10 years). Recently I picked up a big bertha 23 6 iron and it blew me away in forgiveness and distance. I now play a split set bb23 6, 7 iron, 8-pw paradym! The only thing I'm not wild about in the bb23 is the offset (I could do without it) but I can't argue with the performance, most forgiving ever IMO.
I bought 2021 cobra t-rail irons earlier this year (super super game improvement irons) but got them on a pretty deep discount and I love them overall! I also picked up lessons with the money saved and went from about a 30+ handicap to around a 17 over the winter. Having the correct clubs for your level of play is super important for sure!!!
When I bought my TM Stealth irons earlier this year, the Paradym's were the longest and best performing irons I tried (over Mizuno JPX923 HM & HL, Ping G425). But the Callaway price was $400 over the TM's. I am very happy with my purchase and the savings.
I have bought some PXG 0211 irons, only had the 2 weeks, they are a rocket iron but not easy to handle. Having said that when they are hit right the flight and sound are great.
I really like this channel and consider myself an average bloke who plays average golf but when it comes to these top brands, I can only dream of forking out so much for these quality irons. I have a package set and improving with every round. The clubs are important but it's the hands they are in that makes it happen.
Andy...How can you possible get into a long and forgiving irons with out putting in the Wilson Staff D 9 forged irons???? These iron would blow the Calaways irons away and the lofts of a 7 iron is only 31.5 I for one don't like half lofts or I would be playing them instead of my Mizunos...Thanks..
I think Jay over on Ask Golf Nut had a good point the other day. Paraphrasing: "If you hit a bad shot with a more "forgiving" club, all that's going to do is just exhaggerate a bad shot". I think I'd rather play clubs somewhere in the "middle" like a players distance, and get the best of feel and "forgiveness". That's why I'm thinking of buying a set of Srixon ZX5s and throwing in the zx4 in the 5&6 irons.
@@pickitupgolf276 ya that actually doesn't make sense. It should be the opposite. If you hit a bad shot, it should forgive it to some degree. For example, if I hit a shot out of the toe with my forgiving irons, I don't lose nearly as much distance as with my old irons. If I thin a ball, I don't lose as much distance. Forgiving irons are meant to help with the mistakes most average golfers struggle with.
What are your thoughts on these as opposed to the stealth or stealth hds? I’m in the market for my first set and I want to make sure it’s a good one lol😂
I think that this category is the most improved this year, the two TM products are equally as good and I would try all of them, the TM is a better price point
Paradym X irons have taken me down from 22 to 18 HCP in a few months & I just hit a record (for me) 80 on a 6,012 yard hardish par 72 😇 I’m a slow swing speed due to health but the Paradym X has totally improved my game no question. They put tech in cars, formula 1, tennis rackets & tons of other things to make things easier so often wonder why some are snobby about game improvement irons especially when they technically use game improvement balls like pro v1 😂 Agree with sound & feel on Paradym X irons - just lovely
Perhaps "game improvement" is a misnomer. Would "score improvement" be a better term for a set of forgiving irons? However you want to call it, it's amazing all the options golfers have to improve their game and/or score...
Whilst those irons look great and achieve great results, I am not sure I can warrant the cost at my level. Unfortunately, because I have to have a non stock length/lie it's difficult to get 2nd hand clubs. I think i will end up with Takomo. If i stick with the game and get significantly better then perhaps i will invest in a big name brand.
A crap swing is a crap swing!! Love it. You can’t forgive yourself for not taking a lesson or understanding how to play with a nice blade. Ben Hogan brand made some great clubs. Callaway killed it. No interest in this brand. Buy Takomo or CALEY for forgiveness over these over priced clubs.
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I've been playing paradym irons for best part of a year, as I found them to be long & forgiving (first iron purchase in 10 years). Recently I picked up a big bertha 23 6 iron and it blew me away in forgiveness and distance. I now play a split set bb23 6, 7 iron, 8-pw paradym! The only thing I'm not wild about in the bb23 is the offset (I could do without it) but I can't argue with the performance, most forgiving ever IMO.
I bought 2021 cobra t-rail irons earlier this year (super super game improvement irons) but got them on a pretty deep discount and I love them overall! I also picked up lessons with the money saved and went from about a 30+ handicap to around a 17 over the winter. Having the correct clubs for your level of play is super important for sure!!!
Glad they are working and totally agree with your comment
When I bought my TM Stealth irons earlier this year, the Paradym's were the longest and best performing irons I tried (over Mizuno JPX923 HM & HL, Ping G425). But the Callaway price was $400 over the TM's. I am very happy with my purchase and the savings.
Yes a great option
Love my Stealth!
Really like this comparison but can you finish of the review in the studio to get the data, distance/ height/ spin rate. Thanks
I have bought some PXG 0211 irons, only had the 2 weeks, they are a rocket iron but not easy to handle. Having said that when they are hit right the flight and sound are great.
I really like this channel and consider myself an average bloke who plays average golf but when it comes to these top brands, I can only dream of forking out so much for these quality irons. I have a package set and improving with every round. The clubs are important but it's the hands they are in that makes it happen.
Thanks and yes practice will always produce the best results
Agreed, but have manufacturers reached a position of sticker shock yet. I thought we reached that about five years ago but boy, was I wrong.
I'm with you And. I think of 'forgiveness' as consistency of ball speed, spin and carry across the face.
Hi where would these fit against takomo irns please
Andy...How can you possible get into a long and forgiving irons with out putting in the Wilson Staff D 9 forged irons???? These iron would blow the Calaways irons away and the lofts of a 7 iron is only 31.5 I for one don't like half lofts or I would be playing them instead of my Mizunos...Thanks..
Excellent review!
I think Jay over on Ask Golf Nut had a good point the other day.
Paraphrasing: "If you hit a bad shot with a more "forgiving" club, all that's going to do is just exhaggerate a bad shot".
I think I'd rather play clubs somewhere in the "middle" like a players distance, and get the best of feel and "forgiveness".
That's why I'm thinking of buying a set of Srixon ZX5s and throwing in the zx4 in the 5&6 irons.
Not sure I agree with Jay as it makes little sense to me? but I do like the ZX5s
@@TheAverageGolfer I think that's what he was saying, I could be misinterpreting though.
@@pickitupgolf276 ya that actually doesn't make sense. It should be the opposite. If you hit a bad shot, it should forgive it to some degree. For example, if I hit a shot out of the toe with my forgiving irons, I don't lose nearly as much distance as with my old irons. If I thin a ball, I don't lose as much distance. Forgiving irons are meant to help with the mistakes most average golfers struggle with.
Maybe he means that the game improvement irons go further so if you shank one it will go further out of bounds.
@@jaws6307 I don’t think you can quantify forgiveness and a shank! 🤣
What are your thoughts on these as opposed to the stealth or stealth hds? I’m in the market for my first set and I want to make sure it’s a good one lol😂
I think that this category is the most improved this year, the two TM products are equally as good and I would try all of them, the TM is a better price point
Would you say that the Big Bertha's are more forgiving than the 0211's?
Paradym X irons have taken me down from 22 to 18 HCP in a few months & I just hit a record (for me) 80 on a 6,012 yard hardish par 72 😇 I’m a slow swing speed due to health but the Paradym X has totally improved my game no question. They put tech in cars, formula 1, tennis rackets & tons of other things to make things easier so often wonder why some are snobby about game improvement irons especially when they technically use game improvement balls like pro v1 😂 Agree with sound & feel on Paradym X irons - just lovely
So glad the irons have worked so well! Also agree your comments
What happened to your Mezz? Forgiveness to me is limiting front to back dispersion on mishits to me, and IMO PXG absolutely dominates this category.
quality review
Thanks
How about a review of the Wilson Dynapwr irons Andy? They’d give these a run for their money, and cost quite a lot ot less
Unfortunately I dont have access to Wilson product, there UK marketing team are dreadful
@@TheAverageGolfer ah that sucks. C’mon Wilson, lift your game! Can James Robinson help you out? He was able to get some of their product Andy. Cheers
Perhaps "game improvement" is a misnomer. Would "score improvement" be a better term for a set of forgiving irons? However you want to call it, it's amazing all the options golfers have to improve their game and/or score...
What happened to the LAB Mezz?
And, more forgiving than pxg 0311 gen 6 xp and ping g430?
I would say similar to the XP
@@TheAverageGolferglad you mentioned this, as I really think the PXG is a better looking club by a mile
Whilst those irons look great and achieve great results, I am not sure I can warrant the cost at my level. Unfortunately, because I have to have a non stock length/lie it's difficult to get 2nd hand clubs. I think i will end up with Takomo. If i stick with the game and get significantly better then perhaps i will invest in a big name brand.
I’ve checked out the Big Bertha then checked the price!😳
When an iron and the hybrid is the same cost we know we’re in trouble
@@jameshopcroft8743 They arent the same price? The BB23 hybrid is £279 a club
Yep like them all £1000 a set for most
Spend less, PRGR GN 502 Forged. Distance, feel, and forgiving. All you want from a woman, but in a golf club.
Forgiveness . . . . The extent to which a miss hit punishes you . . . . Part of me does not want to be ‘rewarded’ for a bad strike
To me forgiveness is dispersion to me.
Just cant get past the looks, i know its silly..but just cant
A crap swing is a crap swing!! Love it. You can’t forgive yourself for not taking a lesson or understanding how to play with a nice blade.
Ben Hogan brand made some great clubs. Callaway killed it. No interest in this brand. Buy Takomo or CALEY for forgiveness over these over priced clubs.
My definition of forgiveness is when you don’t get that crispy hit you are not punished too much overall. 🏌🏻♂️