Text version (F- food, W-wood, G-gold, S-stone. R-Rally vills ) 4 FR (berries) 2 of them will be building mill 1 W 1 Builds house Keep ralying on berries untill you have 7 then rally to gold till 4 7 F 1 W 4 G Wood villager builds house of wisdom with help from the next villager (in que) then return to wood. Send 1 more villager to gold. Age up. During age up 4 F 5 WR the extra 3 villagers are from food 5 G Once you have 7 on wood rally to stone Get your upgrades in this time then move gold vills to stone up to 9 4 FR 7 W 0 G 9 S Once you have the stone build TC with stone vills After this things get civ specific but mainly you should make some army before you start rallying to gold thou
Rally 2 to berries 5 move to berries (2 build Mill, 1 builds House) 1 move to woodline (build Lumber Camp) Rally 4 to gold (build Mine) 7F 1W 4G Rally 1 to wood First wood vill builds House of Wisdom at 50W, gets help from 2nd wood vill Rally 1 to gold Spam Q on House of Wisdom - age up with Economic Wing Move 3 from berries to wood 4F 5W 5G Rally 2 to wood Research Wheelbarrow Rally 4 to stone (build Mine) Move 5 from gold to stone when 3515 remaining on gold deposit Research Fresh Foodstuffs Research Fertile Crescent 4F 7W 9S Rally to berries When 938 remaining on stone deposit move 9 from stone to build 2nd TC (2nd TC goes near auxillary berries or hunt, whichever is closer to stone) 1st TC rally to wood, 2nd TC rally to berries Build Barracks Research Hardened Spearmen Connect 2nd TC to House of Wisdom network Build Stables Train Spearmen and Horsemen continuously Build more Houses for Golden Age Rally both TCs to gold around 20/30 structure mark Research further upgrades and play out rest of match
I feel like with fertile crescent you can delay that wheelbarrow cause your lumber camps are cheaper and you can just update camps to lower walk time for vils. Only few other vils will benefit from wheelbarrow until like 6-7 minutes so you still get em early but maybe click on wheelbarrow last when getting all the feudal upgrades and rally to stone quicker (you move your gold vils to stone quicker but keep one on gold to eventually get the wheelbarrow). I think you can get a sub 5 minute TC if you build your TC of stone that way and this allows you to go for mutiple TCs. Also with fertile crescent you can get your golden age way quicker which is neat.
I think its better to get early golden age over foodstuffs (FFS) right after fertile crescent then get FFS after 2nd tc has been placed. 10% extra resources gathered over approx 20 vils is worth +2 vils vs foodstuffs worth +0.5 vils (=+1.5 - 1). You should be at 7 buildings at 4:20 so will need to spend minimum of around 111 extra wood for 3 buildings for the golden age by around 5 min. Once you have 2tc up FFS is worth +2 vils (=2x1.5-1).
I think you might be right, I also made a comment that in some matchups 535 might be too late to start building your second TC without any military support. French knights, or English archers comes to mind. Skipping fresh food stuff, and possibly wheel barrow might make it safer if you are expecting early aggression
Actually even better to go for golden age before feudal. Dronggas has the wood for it at 4:06 in the video and with some reprioirtising in the macro (gold to wood) should get it done even before wheelbarrow..
My only question is what aggression are you likely to see at 5:35? French knights? English Archers? If yes, then maybe missing freshfood stuff until after getting the second TC down might be a little safer... Though that might be situational, I don't actually know the timings. I guess im just a little concerned that if you don't have it complete when the knights arrive its almost game ending. Just looked up a season 3 build order for French, their first knight arrived at the enemy base at 5 min flat. Not sure how much time you would save by skipping freshfood stuff, or even wheel barrow but situationally it might be safer against certain civs/certain other openings.
nice BO, however if you remember the time where pro players were spamming abbasid mirrors on lipany we had some people go down to the nitty gritty of the efficiency. it was definitly apparant that wheelbarrow doesnt do as much as you think and golden age does a lot. so probably a slightly different bo with early golden age instead might be even better. also interested in trying a BO where you go trade wing and drop 3 markets+ get trade tech on age up. 2 markets next to marketplace and 1 across the map. get those traders to spawn with food+ gold in them as soon as they come out, will also be good
Thanks for these videos. This will be the first season I(ll ever dabble in playing the abbasid. I started of with English and learned ottoman last season. This season is gonna be all about delhi and Abbasid
Awesome build order break down, will have to be giving it a try! I am an English main now but want to main something in new Season 4, maybe the Abbasid
Why not utilize the stragglers instead of spending the wood on a lumber camp? 1 villager goes to stragglers while all additional wood gatherers go for a lumber camp on the main treeline. That 1 villager should produce enough lumber to fund houses, eco buildings and house of wisdom. That extra lumber could be invested into a quicker TC, eco upgrades, or my personal favourite, to get a fast golden age for the flat eco bonus.
Personally I always go horses or spearmen to start either to harass or defend, but the rest is solid. If the plan is staying in feudal I would get some armor upgrades at the very least which means 2 or 3 vils on gold just after the 2nd tc is built. Cheers!
I'm definitely going to try this out, though I feel like the barracks has to come down way earlier against french, and I am trying to figure out how to answer a man at arms rush. I suppose you outunit them but they can take forever to kill
Thanks for coming back. Dinner time wasn’t the same without your soothing tone. Food just wasn’t tasting the same. I may never escape the reigns of bronze league, but I’ll always watch a new upload and toss it a 👍.
gonna try it! Just two questions: 1. Is there too much excess wood at the start? 2. I feel like this might struggle against HRE (my worst nightmare) , or any fast castle builds because by the time you push out they might already be close to a castle, of course scouting is key, but not sure how good this fares against other boom civs with strong mid game , gonna try it out like i said tho! Thx
1. I'd say no, you can immediatly use all of that wood for early military buildings, houses (to get the golden age) or build army. You'll need it. 2. I agree, it will always depend on match ups, the French were just an example. But on the bright side: FC with Abbasid got huge buffs, so going culture wing for second age will almost certainly be an option
Anybody try Abbasid with fertile crescent on water and just spam 56 wood docks? I feel like you could never lose water that way if you spam docks and research emplacements on em. You could even afford to go 1 dock per 3 boats realistically lol so that you can garrison everything
There's no point waiting for the golden age bonus to research techs in most cases, because most tech buildings aren't doing anything else, so there's no sacrifice in not getting the 15% faster research speeds. If it was 15% cheaper, then I would understand waiting.
I was sure I was subscribed yet but no, so I've fixed that immediately! Great content, I do think Abbassid will stay with Economic -> Cultural wing order, they are great with these news! Great content again, keep it up! :D
hey guys, i cant access the pup server for some reason when i go into properties - beta. Is there something im missing or is it no longer accessible for everyone?
thats the thing i want to see. I want the pup now and not waiting till new patch is there. didnt played a game on normal patch since PUP was out. seemed like time waste
More and more I'm starting to believe build orders are rubbish. To pursue a build order is to ignore countering what the enemy is doing. What's the use in going for a rush build order if the enemy is turtling e.t.c. It's just a lame way to play this game. Better to start in a neutral position and then pivot into the counter based on what you scout.
Of course, what build orders do is to come with a plan. You start a game with a defined direction and then you adapt it to your opponent. Because trying to adapt before having your own strategy means you have too high of chances of fighting an uphill battle right at the 0 second mark.
With abba you Go Always 2tc No Matter what your opponent does, and a build Order is extremely important to Reach feudal optimized and get techs as fast as possible
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Text version (F- food, W-wood, G-gold, S-stone. R-Rally vills )
4 FR (berries) 2 of them will be building mill
1 W
1 Builds house
Keep ralying on berries untill you have 7 then rally to gold till 4
7 F
1 W
4 G
Wood villager builds house of wisdom with help from the next villager (in que) then return to wood.
Send 1 more villager to gold.
Age up.
During age up
4 F
5 WR the extra 3 villagers are from food
5 G
Once you have 7 on wood rally to stone
Get your upgrades in this time then move gold vills to stone up to 9
4 FR
7 W
0 G
9 S
Once you have the stone build TC with stone vills
After this things get civ specific but mainly you should make some army before you start rallying to gold thou
Rally 2 to berries
5 move to berries (2 build Mill, 1 builds House)
1 move to woodline (build Lumber Camp)
Rally 4 to gold (build Mine)
7F 1W 4G
Rally 1 to wood
First wood vill builds House of Wisdom at 50W, gets help from 2nd wood vill
Rally 1 to gold
Spam Q on House of Wisdom - age up with Economic Wing
Move 3 from berries to wood
4F 5W 5G
Rally 2 to wood
Research Wheelbarrow
Rally 4 to stone (build Mine)
Move 5 from gold to stone when 3515 remaining on gold deposit
Research Fresh Foodstuffs
Research Fertile Crescent
4F 7W 9S
Rally to berries
When 938 remaining on stone deposit move 9 from stone to build 2nd TC
(2nd TC goes near auxillary berries or hunt, whichever is closer to stone)
1st TC rally to wood, 2nd TC rally to berries
Build Barracks
Research Hardened Spearmen
Connect 2nd TC to House of Wisdom network
Build Stables
Train Spearmen and Horsemen continuously
Build more Houses for Golden Age
Rally both TCs to gold around 20/30 structure mark
Research further upgrades and play out rest of match
May Allah be on ur side to all my brethren playing the camel lovers in season 4.
Christ is King
@@wingedhorus1462 Sure brother, Christ is our holy prophet peace be upon him.
I main Delhi, but practicing Abbasid as secondary. LETS GOOOOOOOO!
Inshallah my dude
Great video Drongo - very easy to follow your videos and the way you explain the build orders.
I feel like with fertile crescent you can delay that wheelbarrow cause your lumber camps are cheaper and you can just update camps to lower walk time for vils. Only few other vils will benefit from wheelbarrow until like 6-7 minutes so you still get em early but maybe click on wheelbarrow last when getting all the feudal upgrades and rally to stone quicker (you move your gold vils to stone quicker but keep one on gold to eventually get the wheelbarrow). I think you can get a sub 5 minute TC if you build your TC of stone that way and this allows you to go for mutiple TCs. Also with fertile crescent you can get your golden age way quicker which is neat.
I think its better to get early golden age over foodstuffs (FFS) right after fertile crescent then get FFS after 2nd tc has been placed. 10% extra resources gathered over approx 20 vils is worth +2 vils vs foodstuffs worth +0.5 vils (=+1.5 - 1).
You should be at 7 buildings at 4:20 so will need to spend minimum of around 111 extra wood for 3 buildings for the golden age by around 5 min.
Once you have 2tc up FFS is worth +2 vils (=2x1.5-1).
I think you might be right, I also made a comment that in some matchups 535 might be too late to start building your second TC without any military support. French knights, or English archers comes to mind. Skipping fresh food stuff, and possibly wheel barrow might make it safer if you are expecting early aggression
Actually even better to go for golden age before feudal. Dronggas has the wood for it at 4:06 in the video and with some reprioirtising in the macro (gold to wood) should get it done even before wheelbarrow..
My only question is what aggression are you likely to see at 5:35? French knights? English Archers? If yes, then maybe missing freshfood stuff until after getting the second TC down might be a little safer... Though that might be situational, I don't actually know the timings. I guess im just a little concerned that if you don't have it complete when the knights arrive its almost game ending.
Just looked up a season 3 build order for French, their first knight arrived at the enemy base at 5 min flat. Not sure how much time you would save by skipping freshfood stuff, or even wheel barrow but situationally it might be safer against certain civs/certain other openings.
nice BO, however if you remember the time where pro players were spamming abbasid mirrors on lipany we had some people go down to the nitty gritty of the efficiency. it was definitly apparant that wheelbarrow doesnt do as much as you think and golden age does a lot. so probably a slightly different bo with early golden age instead might be even better. also interested in trying a BO where you go trade wing and drop 3 markets+ get trade tech on age up. 2 markets next to marketplace and 1 across the map. get those traders to spawn with food+ gold in them as soon as they come out, will also be good
Thanks for these videos. This will be the first season I(ll ever dabble in playing the abbasid. I started of with English and learned ottoman last season. This season is gonna be all about delhi and Abbasid
Awesome build order break down, will have to be giving it a try! I am
an English main now but want to main something in new Season 4, maybe the Abbasid
Went from English main to Abbid in season 3 and it was glorious! Good luck
@@Krispyy0ne Thank you! Will give them a go!
Just started watching your vids and glad you did this build because I have been maining Abassid. Thanks a lot!
Why not utilize the stragglers instead of spending the wood on a lumber camp?
1 villager goes to stragglers while all additional wood gatherers go for a lumber camp on the main treeline.
That 1 villager should produce enough lumber to fund houses, eco buildings and house of wisdom. That extra lumber could be invested into a quicker TC, eco upgrades, or my personal favourite, to get a fast golden age for the flat eco bonus.
Personally I always go horses or spearmen to start either to harass or defend, but the rest is solid. If the plan is staying in feudal I would get some armor upgrades at the very least which means 2 or 3 vils on gold just after the 2nd tc is built. Cheers!
4:20 Abbasid age up? Guess I found my new main.
I hit 4:15 today but resources placed perfect and flawless macro and micro
I'm definitely going to try this out, though I feel like the barracks has to come down way earlier against french, and I am trying to figure out how to answer a man at arms rush. I suppose you outunit them but they can take forever to kill
Place towers on crucial resources and make some archers. Kite the Man at arms. Practice against ai
Thanks for coming back. Dinner time wasn’t the same without your soothing tone. Food just wasn’t tasting the same. I may never escape the reigns of bronze league, but I’ll always watch a new upload and toss it a 👍.
gonna try it! Just two questions:
1. Is there too much excess wood at the start?
2. I feel like this might struggle against HRE (my worst nightmare) , or any fast castle builds because by the time you push out they might already be close to a castle, of course scouting is key, but not sure how good this fares against other boom civs with strong mid game , gonna try it out like i said tho!
Thx
1. I'd say no, you can immediatly use all of that wood for early military buildings, houses (to get the golden age) or build army. You'll need it.
2. I agree, it will always depend on match ups, the French were just an example. But on the bright side: FC with Abbasid got huge buffs, so going culture wing for second age will almost certainly be an option
Anybody try Abbasid with fertile crescent on water and just spam 56 wood docks? I feel like you could never lose water that way if you spam docks and research emplacements on em. You could even afford to go 1 dock per 3 boats realistically lol so that you can garrison everything
Very tight, but sounds insanely strong when mastered!
Love these kind of content. Keep it up!
Wish we could see how this works on the ladder tbh... I usually get mauled by an early English push by 5th minute.
get an early tower or 2 (placed a little towards enemy not back in case of english archers)
Ya we saw you geek out about it when you still casted games lol love ya you beautiful bastard
This is awesome! Thank you so much!! I would love a delhi one aswell :)
Keep in mind that hunted animals brings in food at a faster rate than foraging bush.
There's no point waiting for the golden age bonus to research techs in most cases, because most tech buildings aren't doing anything else, so there's no sacrifice in not getting the 15% faster research speeds. If it was 15% cheaper, then I would understand waiting.
We missed you so drongo. And your custard games 😂
I like this build order a lot tbh
I was sure I was subscribed yet but no, so I've fixed that immediately! Great content, I do think Abbassid will stay with Economic -> Cultural wing order, they are great with these news!
Great content again, keep it up! :D
Good build, thanks for sharing, but in small maps against aggro, you cannot play in this way because you were arrased soon
..i'm trying to get past intermediate but i can't, which one is the easiest to face if you're the abasids
Thanks for nice video, will test this out
thanx alot aussie.
and it would be great if you write the build order at the end of the video imo. take care!
I'll try it out much thanks man
awesome guide
hey guys, i cant access the pup server for some reason when i go into properties - beta. Is there something im missing or is it no longer accessible for everyone?
Its no longer accessible but in two days the update drops
I don't understand the early lambercamp, the walk time on the strugler tree is not so bad and y have your age up 10s faster.
You need a lumber eather way, so 10 sechs dont matter
How does this build order perform in comparrison with 2/2/2 build order?
This build order focuses early tech aka wheelbarrow and is optimized for fertile crescent where as 2.2.2 is not...
@@Krispyy0ne I thought the whole point of 2/2/2 is for early wheelbarrow?..
@@bradsapro yes, but 222 isnt getting fertile crescent
is this build stiilll doable?
the 420 build lessgo
can you make an Abbasid guide the way you did Chinese
can someone help me on how to acces the new beta, when I go under betas tab there are none
The beta is over.
Everyone is waiting for the next season on February 16.
love the guide, thanks for sharing.
Can we get a french build order??
Abbasid looks very scary now...
Forbidden knowledge you're sharing here!
thats the thing i want to see. I want the pup now and not waiting till new patch is there. didnt played a game on normal patch since PUP was out. seemed like time waste
At first i was like you but let's be real, your skills transfer from patch to patch. By not playing you are just loosing habits
😍
luv me camels
420😉
a bit over engineered. just start the game. send 5 on a tree and one on the mill/mine
You dont get a tree First
More and more I'm starting to believe build orders are rubbish. To pursue a build order is to ignore countering what the enemy is doing. What's the use in going for a rush build order if the enemy is turtling e.t.c. It's just a lame way to play this game. Better to start in a neutral position and then pivot into the counter based on what you scout.
Of course, what build orders do is to come with a plan. You start a game with a defined direction and then you adapt it to your opponent. Because trying to adapt before having your own strategy means you have too high of chances of fighting an uphill battle right at the 0 second mark.
@@MechaStorm7 Exactly. You need to pursue something they should worry about, over and above the countermeasures you have to implement.
With abba you Go Always 2tc No Matter what your opponent does, and a build Order is extremely important to Reach feudal optimized and get techs as fast as possible
@@reecenaidu6020 and what if they have the same mindset but their build order is a counter to yours? see how this philosophy is flawed?
you could have the fastest most polished lb rush build order as English but you're digging your own grave if your opponents build order is a cav rush
Can we get a game please...not build orders or drama....just you talking about two players going head to head...
Build Orders are very important and Most viewers want to get better, what they need a bo for