Davey Coombs on the Cold War between Motocross & Supercross, regretting 4-Strokes & privateers...
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- In Chapter 307 of the Gypsy Tales Podcast, we are thrilled to welcome a true legend in the world of motocross, Davey Coombs, President of MX Sports. Dive into an in-depth conversation where we explore the rich history, present dynamics, and future possibilities of motocross racing.
Davey Coombs, a key figure in shaping the motocross landscape, shares his invaluable insights and experiences from his extensive career. From the grassroots beginnings to the pinnacle of professional racing, Coombs opens up about the challenges, triumphs, and the relentless passion that drives the sport forward
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00:00:00 Intro
00:04:13 1st Dirt bike Memory / Family Background
00:14:05 Combining SX & MX
00:22:50 Picked up garbage after the races
00:29:11 How to make MX more appealing
00:33:41 Privateer Debate...
00:45:03 Jett Lawrence & Jean-Michel Bayle Riding Style
00:50:25 Privateer Debate Continued
00:56:35 2024 SX Season the best season yet?
01:04:07 COVID saved Motocross??
01:07:15 The reason for the Jett Lawrence hate...
01:12:45 Fox Raceway track cutting
01:20:03 Cold War with Feld Entertainment
01:30:58 How the SMX Playoffs came about
01:34:40 Differences with MXGP Promoters
01:43:39 AG1 Ad
01:44:49 Finding peace within the industry
01:50:25 The RISE of KTM
01:53:18 New Manufactures (Triumph, Ducati)
01:56:46 Where does the Stark Varg place in our sport?
02:03:38 Regrets around the 4-Stroke takeover
02:17:30 1st time hearing about the Lawrence Brothers
02:28:20 Thoughts on Levi Kitchen
02:32:13 Honest Opinion about the Amateur MX Scene
02:38:49 Why Lorretta Lynns is so Special
02:50:27 Deegan bike claim drama
02:58:22 What it takes to run Pro Motocross
03:08:24 Why is Glen Helen not on the Schedule?
03:23:08 Outro
Been absolutely killing it with the guests lately! We still need a Kevin Windham podcast though 🔥👀
Yeah I am going to work on that
@@gypsytalespodcast9369has he ever done a long form like this before? Everyone wants K-dub on here. Gotta get him to talk about the stories of the casino and racing.. let’s say still in recovery mode from the night before. (Rumors of course).
Yesss
Vince Friese!
@Bodie2020 If I remember correctly, he did The Whiskey Throttle Show
Holy moly, is he actually letting the guest talk for an extended period of time? 😊
Haha no kidding. It’s Davy Coombs
No, not really. This dude loves nothing more than to hear himself talk.
One year I raced snowshoe, Davey just sat next to me, he was a few deep and started just talking like he was just an average rider like all of us saying stories and stuff, it was a great time and shows he's just one of us
When you've come from the bottom, when you've built wealth without necessarily screwing others, you always remember what the bottom feels like. There's an empathy, an understanding. Sometimes people accuse DC of being greedy and I really think he has little to do with it.
If you watch Mitch Payton's appearance on the Whiskey Throttle Show, he legit solved the problem with purse money, in part because he hates how race win bonuses work (Justin Brayton earned almost nothing for Daytona, then some Pro Circuit guy is getting like $200k for a 250F East win). Nowadays, the entry fee is rather low for everyone so the purse money available is very limited. Payton suggested the following: you pay for what you occupy. A van? Probably the same fee as nowadays. Two vans? A bus? 2 trucks? 2 trucks plus some VIP area? Then the entry fee grows and grows and grows in a rather exponential way. That would allow for the purse money to be rather big, teams would stop paying for race win bonuses and then ANY race winner could get $100k or whatever possible. Another side effect is that it'd make the events with the most entrants feel extra special as they'd have bigger purses.
Okay…. Enough man. Starting to slack off at work lol. 3 KILLLLER PODS in a row? This was by far his best interview/talk I’ve seen from Coombs. Very likable
LOL, He is an F’N asshole he does well in interview. And all he said about Bud is true…the thing “Davey” left out was he wanted more than 200k up front! Davey didn’t seem to mention that. So Bud is 200K in the Hole and not one person has come through the gate…oh yeah and Davey wanted HALF the gate… let’s tell the whole side of the story not just Davey’s side
I told him on Instagram that he needs to space shit out, maybe record whenever but release 1 per week or something
Well done Jase on this one, Davey was an outstanding guest, insightful, informative, articulate, everything that I need.
I hate when people say motocross is the best it’s been ever right now BULLSHIT the racing is great yes at the pro level, but the prices of bikes gear fuel entry fees maintenance travel etc is killing the heart and future of motocross the amateur’s. mark my words we will have a mass exiting of competitive amateur’s based on costs. It happened to us, I can’t afford to be competitive we have to rebuild old race bikes because 12k for a 450 is not happening every year or two so we race rebuilt worn out stuff and sponsor money doesn’t even touch it till you hit team level. Privateer’s is on its last leg, they are a dying breed because of cost and we won’t have any future privateers because amateurs are throwing in the towel because Cost have doubled and income hasn’t changed.
This isn’t just sport problem this is a world problem right now, it’s called a bad economy. What other pro sport do you pay $60 to go watch and $30 to go to the pits and see the riders in person or see the behind the scenes work of what the team does through the day. I literally walked by and rubbed shoulders with Cooper Webb last summer at High Point. Literally no other sport can you do that for $30
It's become yacht racing since 4 strokes took over. It used to be a relatively cheap hobby. Now you have to have 3 mortgages just to seriously race the amateur circuit
@@nickhowser7262 "Literally no other sport can you do that for $30".. There's plenty of other types of racing that you can do it at.
pull a tear off how is the way he laughs and jokes he is a privateer , he is blatantly having a go he dont want privateers only factories because they pay the riders
Seen some responces ? brain dead ,if it were managed correctly 2 strokes would still be the only race bike ,.The basic racer can afford to rebuild .The noise polution of a four strokes killing the local tracks ,People say its a world wide thing $, please better management and profits going to local track owners a rider support programs set up. The level of improvement since the 80s compared to F1 is really proof its only about taking not structuring
21:54 ‘What you’re saying, is you’re a privateer?’ Hahahaha way to take that on the chin, Jase 😂 good man
Great episode, Jase. Much like how Dave Coombs Sr. became hooked on the sport by watching On Any Sunday, I became hooked by watching a VHS tape of the Blackwater 100 on repeat, narrated by none other than Dave Coombs Sr.
There’s no denying Davey’s absolute love for this sport.
Danny Hamel’s Team Green van sure brings back memories. At 10 years old in 1993 I got to walk up to that van every time the nationals came to District 37. The dudes quads were bigger than my entire body. DH was my first dirt bike hero!
Great podcast!
Very cool episode, I got to race with Davey at Kenworthy MX in 98 where he won 250B class 👍
Davey needs to START PAYING! ALL and EVERY RACER MORE MONEY 💵!! Blah Blah Blah … pay your product more money 💰
JH spent his prize $ on a lawn mower! If a TOP 20 guy can’t survive w/o a side hustle, ur running the sport wrong
P ppl b
Yeah it seems like Davey kind of doesn’t really understand Jase’s point. Also I felt like he is gate keeping moto. Jase wants to build the sport to a more professional level and in turn privateers gain more
I normally don’t watch anything on UA-cam past 20 minutes, but this was classic👍it was cool being a Team Green teammate with Davey, and racing throughout the 70’s/80’s with him✌️
Great thanks for this ,
You have him now on record (and his version of this)
Reading between the words it’s the 2010 contract that was always the stumbling block (which is how I recall it)
Let’s have an interview with the other party and hear both sides please.
It’s only fair to give GH (and the fans a voice about an issue that has only existed since the onset of MXSports to be fair)
If you fix this you become a national treasure.
Jb.
Fkn A
Gypsy please help us
The fans are suffering in SoCal!
YES well said ,very well said YOUR on record DC
Great response
What a great interview. Davy is a quality human being.
Those Starks are awesome. Literally bang a pipe on them and they absolutely fly. A Hinson clutch helps too.
I think they should take A2 and take it off the SX schedule and make it round 1 of the SMX Playoffs, making it 16 rounds of SX, 11 rounds of MX, and 4 rounds of SMX playoffs. Round 1 and 2 regular points, round 3 double and round 4 triple points.
What a great interview and super personality, great for the sport 👍👏
That was so good. Gypsy tales….again🙏
Hahahaha Glen Helen when we getting it back 😂🤘🏼. Gypsy asking the questions we want the answers too
@3:08:00
Lol. Never haha
Jase you know the truth and didn't challenge him about the initial 200,000 mot % of ticket sales ? why you let him Off
@@craighills2382 lol. He fell into line long ago.
@@craighills2382absolute none. As if a guy who's getting treated fairly is gonna make a fuss to the point where he just says ya I'm all set. foh
I grew up watching Pomeroy, Hannah, Glover and kind of went away from motocross after my dad sold his shop and I started road racing. I came back during the McGrath years and went away again until just recently with the aŕrival of Jet and Haiden. I love how this conversation has filled in the blanks for me. Great job guys! The shorts pulled my in and this episode made me subscribe.
Really enjoyed once again a top notch interview.
Davay C is such a genuine well spoken guy .. Awesome podcast
Well spoken? This guy is painful to listen to. Def not ever being a lawyer in his future.
Awesome interview. Sick insight to the sport behind the scenes.
The quality of this podcast is remarkable. Keep up the great work!
Best podcast/interview u have done yet. Thank you very much sir
Yet another banger, Davey is such a pillar of the industry. I remember readinghis articles 20 years ago when i was still basically a kid.
Such an awesome podcast so much respect for davey! Sucks that no glen helen because someone has an opinion this buds guy seems like a pain lol, maybe we will get it back one day!
I love listening to Davey
Sponsor LL’s and have a Gypsy award for the most gypsy lifestyle person to qualify for LL’s. Showing up against factory support kids in their dads work van or something
Fuk yes, realism
Man I hope you asked about Glen Helen not being on the schedule
Very interesting insight to how it all works and where people came from.
The constant Jiu Jitsu jabs from Davey is hilarious.
Looking forward to this one 💪🤘
Hot damn, i litterally drove past my house a few times cuz i didnt want to stop listening🍺
King of spin and i dont mean mcgra . Many have started at the bottom and forget their foundations when they get to the top
Like Gypsey said: You need Cooksey! Interesting hearing more angles.
What an incredible interview
Seems like Stew is the final boss to be on gypsy tales
Great interview brother. Bring Kevin #14. Go down to MS and drag his butt to the studio 😂😂
Bring back Ultracross and make regional Motocross series that are actually paying a decent paycheck and make them legitimate titles so the slower guys can have a focus and work on getting faster.
Drives me nuts when people say motoRcross lol. Great work man you’ve been dropping some heat lately
incredible
Spent more than 20 years on that carousel and it was a hell of a ride. DC has always been super cool with me and everyone I have seen him with. But that carousel thing is super true, once you get on, you do have to do your part to push things along in whatever capacity you can. Those who can’t do that or don’t play along are gone now. Learn from this those of you who want to be on that carousel, play along or you’ll get tossed off.
True
I think it says a lot about how good Hunter is and was for a team to sign Jett sighr unseen just to make sure they got Hunter
That was a good one
We need to start defining the term privateer. There is 4 teirs to racing. Pro, satelite, privateer and whatever is left that doesnt quilify for mains.
That guy Davey is a rock spider !!!!
Watch some old rick johnson after race interviews on the podium very similar love it .
Holy moly, is he actually letting the guest talk for an extended period of time?
1:12:20 Haiden can dish it but can't take it 😂😂😂
Ur on a roll man ..who’s next like bill goldberg
Is this guy the reason it costs me $500 (MINIMUM) to take my kids to watch an MX race? Yet all the riders STILL PAY an entrance fee? GTFO
Dang what do you have 6 kids?
There may be more factors than Davey driving up the price of things but yeah, the fact that you can still take your kids to outdoor motorcycle events in our country is due in large part to him.
No actually, he’s the reason you still have a National to go see.
We need a 350cc class! With new manufacturers turning up! Not electric bikes!🤔 All manufacturers have the chassis they just need the motor!🤔
250cc up to age 25 years old
350cc open class
450cc open class
All manufacturers Honda,Yamaha,Kawasaki,etc
Great show! Like always 💯
How about some more Sand tracks
If ur shocked at how poorly MX is run, this interview explains why. Davey has no vision, no solutions and no idea what he’s doing. Nice guy tho
Ehhhhh. Don’t feel like all truths were told. But that’s to be expected from this family 🤦♂️
Rt of the Bat when he talks about Glen Helen…Davey never mentions that he wanted 200K. That is when Bud just put all those stipulations in. Tom White, was white brother racing… a great Man…but he was talking Bud into give in cause Bud and Tom were 40 years friends.
So Bud had to give Davey 200K before, even 1 person came through the gate…oh yeah and Davey wanted 1/2 the gate!
The haiden segment im referring to
"He's one of the 20 best riders out there but...He has a side hustle, because he's... a privateer."
Yeah, dumb that he makes out his supporting privateers
2:56:39 what about Deegan trying to fight the kid that wanted to claim the bike?
Never happened. And don’t try and spew nonsense because it never happened. It’s a fact. The only reason you think that is because people will say anything to try and get their way because they don’t like the kid or his dad. You have to stop believing everything you read and see online.
@@LifeWithTim1 it came right from the kid himself. I listened to 2 of his interviews
Personally I feel. AMA Moto X & SX. should pull out of California.
Pfft....physical distancing not social distancing. Social has nothing to do with it.
So wish the southeast can be brought back into the nationals again.
Professional football plays here all the time.
Come on!!
If you want to make things fair, start with allowing the 2 strokes to be be fair to the 4 strokes. if thats making the 2strokes a new cc limits then so be it, even should be even.
A Ricky Carmichael or Tomac pod would be Fire!!
RC later in the year 🤟🏼
@@gypsytalespodcast9369let’s go, i’m guessing tomac would be in a few years but that would probably have to be a three episode podcast, 3 hours on amatuers/gieco, 3 on kawi and 3 on yamaha, but who knows if he even wants to do one
We need JS7 on the pod
DC was GNCC ! He passed away before the’99 season.all my GNCC plaques I won that year have a DC IN MEMORY OF on . Yup 100 miles of mud and blood BLACKWATER 100 ‘93 was the last.
If we can have a pro national in the southeast because it “to hot” then why is the amateur national championship in the southeast and during the hottest part of the year? Last week of July and first week of August is brutal heat yet we say it’s ok for the kids to do it but not the pros?
Jett is the true 3rd Everts and he's gonna be AT LEAST as successful as Harry, might get close-ish to Stefan's numbers. IDK why Hunter didn't learn so much but the Stefan Everts influence on Jett's riding is undeniable. He seems to be chilling while everyone is almost killing themselves, which is how Stefan vs Bolley, Smets, Pichon, RC, JS7 and such looked like.
I can't wait until there's a 450MX moment where Haiden Deegan is struggling with the inside line and Jett Everts just passes him standing up around the outside like Stefan vs JS7 in Matterley Basin.
Haiden is always using the outside lines, stood up too so don't know what wet dreams you've been having or what racing you've been watching
@@kieranclowes254 - You'll see it
Highly doubt it they'll be on one anothers rear wheels should battles happen, last weekend haiden in the 2nd moto last laps put down the third fastest lap times of both classes during the motos only beaten by jett and Hunter going quicker by half a second to a second
An Electric class first in Arena cross..
Tim & Davey aren’t as honest as they try to make people believe. As far as amateur racing goes, they do pull strings and show favoritism to their buddies. From rulings on disputes to even their “lottery drawing” they do for camper hookups spot at LL. I know for a fact that the camper hookups was lottery for some and others they made sure certain people were selected every year. If they are blatantly dishonest about something as small as that, what else do they do that a simpleton wouldn’t know about?
Amen. Amateur racing is a con. Got kids on full factory shit that you cannot buy and just absolutely blowing everyone else out of the water.
Yup typical political bureaucratic BS that is just running the sport into the ground just so they reap all the rewards. Seems to be a massive problem with just about everything in this country.
@boogalo781 yeah and the claim rule was set in place for that very reason, to keep the bikes more even, but then when someone claims a bike they turn that into a crooked ordeal too.
Bring back a 250 2stroke class at all races
Amazing time to be a privateer. All you have to be is top 20 in SMX and you can make some serious cash. That’s far from needing to win.
😂
profound: "Cant go south of the Mississippi"
😂😂😂
Glen Helen NEEDS to come back and keep Pala. Southern California needs 2 nationals
So many Cooksey crazies in here hatin on the guy. Hilarious 😂
First off i doubt anyone that i want to see it, sees it, but regardless i like the podcast and been tuning in for a few years now. That being said i have to call some bullshit on the entirety of the Deegan bike claim situation. First of all Jase for knocking the kid for making the claim, the kid did nothing wrong wanting to claim that bike, the rules are there to keep the teams from showing up with 100k bikes to race against bikes that might be worth 15k. Its to try to keep the racing more fair and more obtainable for the average amateur racers. Look if Deegans bike wasnt something it shouldnt have been then it wouldnt had been near the fuss over it and they wouldnt have changed the motor out right after it was over with. But this is no surprise coming from jase considering he also said he doesnt believe there should be privateers trying to qualify for a supercross. The privateers at the pro level are just the same guys that are amateurs racing against the 1 or 2 amateur prodigys that show up to the ranch in a semi and getting paid 100s of thousands before even turning pro. Sorry but at what point should any of us be feeling empathy for haiden in that situation or star. Even if he had gone through with buying that bike deegan would had another one to race and he would have still won no matter what he was on. But keith mccarty calling up the yamaha dealer in canada that the other kid rode for and causing him to lose the bikes he was given for the year that is sad. Then onto Davey, i call bullshit that he had no idea who the deegans were when all this was going on in the office. That is an absolute lie and then for him to give his word that absolutely nothing happened that was said to have happened with tim cotter and the deegans, after he just admitted that he wasnt even there for it, that he had to leave to go to the airport while this was going down, is also more BS. Reality is hes just trying to downplay his relations with the deegans, to act like their name doesnt hold anymore weight in his eyes than the next, to make it look like everyone was treated the same in the situation. When in reality that was far from the truth. Probably a million people that know Haiden that had never seen a mx race in their life because of their youtube channel, but the head guy of mx sports had never heard of him before? The guy that runs the show at the ranch every year had never heard of a kid that came there on a annual basis and won championships and motos? Like come on who is buying that shit? Jase has a good podcast with a great guest line up but honestly thats where it ends as far as your opinions go, being soley a media guy only ever in the sport, never having to be a privateer in the sport let alone be on some kind of team, who would you be to say that privateers need to be removed from supercross. Especially when everyone knows that sx pays the bills more than mx does anyways plus would knock any privateer out of being in possible contention for the smx playoffs which pays the best of all 3 series.... end of rant out of me.
Stark are NOT an electric dirt bike… it’s an electric mountain bike…AND that the box it sits in !!
I appreciate Davey’s vast knowledge and position on the sport. Especially the legacy. But in my opinion.. I do find this pod disheartening as the leaders of our sport don’t understand the big picture growth opportunities and what needs to change to get there. We are so wrapped around privateers, OEM needs and other pigeonholes, that the sport will continue to be at this mediocre level. I love this sport. But we need to be aggressive and progress what it means today in 2024 to be an entertainment racing series! The OEMs are not going anywhere… and sorry privateers are not selling any tickets or bikes. Absolutely zero. Just make the best possible presentation of this incredible two wheeled sport / show we all enjoy watching.
Electric bikes need their own class. Davey, dont forget that the moto experience includes the sounds and smells.
Davy is the epitome of “born on third base and thinks they hit a home run”. He spits out all of the anti union, pick yourself up by the bootstraps bs very elegantly though.
Couldn't have put it more perfect, he speaks like a politician
The rise of KTM didn't happen through 50s, it didn't even happen through motocross, it was all enduro, which is why they were real bad for MX/SX (the bikes didn't like rhythm sections or whoops from the very base, tuning couldn't do much to solve it). From 1997 to 2010, KTM won at least 1 Enduro World title every single year, sometimes getting 3 out of 4 in 1997, 4 out of 5 in 2000 and 3 out of 3 in 2005 and 2006 plus winning 6 out of 7 official Scratch Titles (1998 to 2004).
How about starting a "Ride to Survive" type of show? I've noticed Indy and NASCAR have created the same type of show. It's a chance to bring the audience behind the scenes and let them get to know the stars of the sport.
The electric bikes should have their own class, end of story. You are looking for more content for broadcast, so their you go. If electric bikes are really here to take over, make them earn it in their own class. One could compare it to Formula E. I think we can learn a lot from other successful motorsports.
There is more to the story of amateur racing. There are far too many examples of great riders being left behind. Every time there is talk about australian greats, somehow, Egan Mastin gets left out of the conversation. There are a lot of other examples of this. If Roger didn't sign Dungey. He would be another one left behind.
Jase, look into doing a podcast with a fellow Australian, sprint car racer James McFadden. I'm pretty sure he would be a good crossover interview.
Riders don’t make that much in Moto remember max saying he got $500 lol idk if it changed but
'01 Us Open..The New "King". nope..
Joe shimoto?
This guy is disconnected.
Aye first one in this bitch 🫡love this show keep up the good work
Thanks brother!
I understand why Jase talks over guests. Most can’t articulate their way out of a paper bag. You have to drive an interview, I get it. But I hope he learns from this interview. Let people talk. Dave Coomb is American Moto-Cross history. I will say, I’m stunned at home many people say; Ricky Ruined something. He made it better. Don’t forget McGrath dominated for 10 yrs. Ricky took it to another level.
That said. When will you interview Ricky Carmichael
We need freestone back
since Ricky Johnson started to be the poster boy bringing in the fans .Motocross hasnt got anywhere .you think people are really DUMB You did super dooper cross because of an outside threat to your take $ you dont want to improve the sport or it would be way more up there in commerciality
"cant go south of the Mississippi"
"that's an East/West thing by the way"
Lmaooo
Yep. Honest mistake 👌
@@gypsytalespodcast9369 was towards the end of the pod, you’re good. Favorite episode by the way. Learned a lot.
Derrick Harris who was the mechanic for the kid who claimed deegans bike. Has been arrested twice since this ordeal for theft of intellectual property in theft of two Honda motors. How did the 17-year-old kid show up a $17,000 cash to claim a bike. Hurricane Mills Tennessee is not a destination where a bank would give you $17,000 on a whim. You're 2 hours from Nashville on a good day! The mechanic wanted the motor. He screwed the kid. AMA should never let that mechanic at Loretta's ever again
Tim doesn't know who Deegan is?? Come onnnnn. Great interview to that point but there's no one at Loretta's that doesnt know the Deegan's. Killed all your credibility with that segment.
Something based on a lie is doomed to fail.
Feld entertainment and their mandatory vaccines is never talked about enough .
Yes nicely said and they are criminals along with the establishment
Jase has to be the most annoying person ever at conducting an interview
Lol. Sorry DC. Dudes getting hurt on press day is not by chance. That was due to YOU holding a press day and not paying enough quality flaggers to do the job. Period. That was entirely on you, NOT BY CHANCE.
but since press day isn’t a race day, it had local flaggers, not flaggers from the ama
@@doglover136_ doy. DC is MX Sports. They have a press day to promote their event/series. They are 100% responsible.
Pull a tear off, me and me sister aren't involved ,we only do good ,we didn't know yamaha put 100dreds and hundreds of $$$ into a four stroke and it wins almost double the cc .Wasnt me or me sister as for the GLEN HELEN you wanted all the cash we know know
Its kind if disappointing that Davey doesn't seem to really listen to the points Jase is making about the privateers. It seemed like all the points just went straight through him. I feel like its this sort of stubbornness that is keeping the sport from growing ti the level that it deserves. Fear of change is what kills a series
Do you really believe Davey Coombs regarding Glen Helen?
Yes
Nope absolutely not, no one being treated fairly is gonna go outta their way to make a fuss to where they say all good im out.
We need Davey to do some coaching to Australian promoters
Why can't there be two classes on the starting gate. Don't GPs run open, 450, and 250? Put electric out there with them in moto. But sx would need electric only motos