The guy in ward c does call him by his real name, but Teddy's denial makes him think the guy is talking about him and Andrew, not calling him Andrew. And the hospital selects which patients Teddy can interview so they much have chosen ones that they trusted to play along.
There is a theory that Teddy wasnt crazy but they ran an experiment to convince him of being crazy and yeah. Its a very interesting listen. Just search for shutter island theories, and its the 1.5 hour one. (Forgot editing removes the ❤️)
@richardpichan6916 yeah I've been wanting to cover gone baby gone, which I know it a later book in that series. Without spoiling the story, does that book deal with child SA? I hate reading about that type of thing which is why I haven't read it yet cause I'm worried it's about that... but if it isn't too explicit it I'll read it.
@WhytheBookWins the whole series is pretty gritty. In A Drink Before The War, Darkness Take My Hand, Gone Baby Gone, and Prayers For Rain the topic of SA is a part of the story, but like most ugly situations incorporated into those stories it's not egregious. I started the series with Prayers For Rain and then started from A Drink Before The War, yet I still have to finish Moonlight Mile. The only problem with starting later in the series is that the identities and backstories of the supporting characters in the series are built up throughout the series. There are many differences between the Gone, Baby Gone book, and movie, primarily with characters and a couple of omitted scenes. I believe most of them are the result of the movie being a stand-alone feature and the books building the supporting characters throughout the entire series. Both the book and movie are very, very good. I just think that to build and the frame and nuances surrounding the supporting characters in Gone, Baby Gone would've made for a much longer and very muddled film. There is a lot of darkness in the series, but it is a representation of aspects of our society. The lows and highs in the series can really help to remind many of us how lucky we are and that everything we hold can be so very fragile.
I watched a great video about the film the other day which goes into all the clues that teddy was real and that the doctors were trying to make him believe his Andrew which was brilliant. It’s by PolterGibbst and is definitely worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
Great analysis! Just finished reading the book (loved it) and am excited to revisit the film again. It’s been probably 10+ years since I watched it so the book felt relatively fresh.
Watched this at 3am after being unemployed for 4 months barely leaving the house... Reality is my inner circle... The further out ppl r the less real it is... Wow
Hypothesis for "Chuck Aule" name: "To chuck it all": to give up one's job or abandon one's former way of living: quit. This is a plausible explanation, don't really find a better one, but only half convinced. 😅
I watched Scorcese's The Age Of Innocence recently for the first time, I thought it was excellent, and is Very Underated / kind of forgotten about. Deffo worth a Book / Movie analysis.
I subbed the channel recently and appreciate your great intel about respective books. What do you think about the other reading - the second option? The movie particularly underlines the medication (cigarettes) that Teddy gets by the head-psychiatrist, from that point on he would be, due to drugs extremely vulnerable to brainwashing. Everything from that point onwards, from the point he starts to smoke these cigarettes makes teddy also unreliable in a double edged sense - meaning also as an alleged patient. It might be that we witness Teddy (a real investigative marshal) starting to believe the story he is fed, memories rearrange, everything gets mixed up, weird flashbacks etc. - becoming trapped in propaganda and brainwashing techniques. Its the US at the start of a cold war and post ww2 period - the chance of psychology being explored as a weapon, to shift/warp critiques, enemies, or to create reliable agents etc. is not so far fetched in my opinion. To brainwash undercover agents during the training is a theme also explored in many other secret agent movies (Bourne Identity etc.). thats what makes the story so great for me - war, an Island and psychiatry do not loose their threat/thread - unless we take the more soothing bait.
I think what’s brilliant about it is either way you look at it, the doctors are still trying to convince him that his Andrew, and everything the doctors do doesn’t change, just motivation. Either way chuck was still a psychiatrist going along and pretending to be his partner, they still had a nurse pretend to be Rachel, they still drug him throughout, it just depends on what you believe, is he Teddy or Andrew. And either way, the end result is the same, whatever they were trying didn’t work.
Another well thought out discussion.Loved Shutter Island. Haven't a read book in 25 years cause you know...Internet. Feeling too happy Laura ? I can help. Do what young me did 40 years ago and read 1984's Pulitzer Prize winner for fiction "Ironweed" then watch the film starring Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep. Set in Depression era 1930's America following two alcoholic drifters battling their demons. Still emotionally scarred four decades later. Always enjoy your videos. Sorry I went off on a tangent. All the best.
Great review! I read the book before watching the movie and it was very suspenseful for me. There were points in the book where I was very scared for Teddy and my heart was racing, which doesn't happen to me when I read books. Such a fun read. I probably would have been just as scared if I saw the movie first. As someone else mentioned, I thought Chuck Aule was meant to be a joke on "chuckle." I agree that the movie was faithful to the book, which is always nice to see in a movie. When it comes to deciding between which is better, the book or movie, I wonder if what we experience first influences how we feel about the material. I've noticed that every time I watch a movie first and then decide to read the book, I tend to view both as equally good, even if they are different. Whenever I read the book first, the book always ends up winning out. I wonder if that's just my quirk or if it happens to other people. Maybe it's just a reflection of the film's quality. I don't know why I'm writing a whole essay here, lol. I guess your review makes me wonder if I had seen the movie first, if I would consider it to win out over the book. It truly is an excellent film so I feel like if I had seen it first, I would perceive it as better than, or as good as, the book.
Hypothesis 2 about 'Chuck Aule': could it refer to the surrealist painter "Marc Chagall"? He's known for painting abstract, surreal things; so perhaps that makes sense too? I don't know. :D Done hypothesizing now, all that's left to me is thank you for another great video with excellent insights! 🙂
I've enjoyed several of your videos. Thanks. An author I'd like to recommend is Robert Silverberg, who is mostly known for his science fiction books. Here are a few recommended titles: Lord Valentine's Castle, Tom O'Bedlam, At Winter's End.
Another suggestion: the audiobook version of My Name is Barbra, which is, of course, the new Streisand memoir that you already put in one of your polls. In this case imho the audiobook wins, because she has such a wonderful conversational voice, and even plays clips of her songs here and there. @@WhytheBookWins
Teddy/Andrew earns the readers’ and audiences’ sympathy, unlike Dom Cobb in *Inception* Andrew emotionally neglected his wife and thus exacerbated her mental illness, subsequently leading to the murder cycle. Dom Cobb deliberately skewed Mal’s worldview, so that she found reality unbearable
There's still things about the movie I don't understand. The rule of 4 is what? The four dead? I also don't understand how his imagination taught him what a lobotomy is
Great review. I would be very interested in seeing you take on this vid (ua-cam.com/video/3fWXnnBwYqU/v-deo.html) on how it was actually all real. As you have the insight on the book and the movie.
Could Chuck Aule said fast sound like "chuckle" maybe?
Also a good hypothesis! 😊👏
hmm yeah I could see that one
25:05 *Chuck All* is either “check all” or “chuckle”. The latter alludes that the staff is playing a joke on Teddy/Andrew
Chuck Aule is definitely a reference to chuckle, as in laugh.
Stories with twists like this one had are always the most interesting. Especially when rewatching/re reading
Makes 0 sense that patients would play along. They'd call him Andrew. 25:04 Chuckle
The guy in ward c does call him by his real name, but Teddy's denial makes him think the guy is talking about him and Andrew, not calling him Andrew. And the hospital selects which patients Teddy can interview so they much have chosen ones that they trusted to play along.
Seeing how the other patients dont have a solid grasp on reality i can see them getting pulled into Andrew's delusions and believing it as well.
There is a theory that Teddy wasnt crazy but they ran an experiment to convince him of being crazy and yeah. Its a very interesting listen. Just search for shutter island theories, and its the 1.5 hour one. (Forgot editing removes the ❤️)
I'll have to listen to that!
Great walk through! I absolutely love Dennis Lehanes' books!
Thanks! And agreed, I think I've read four now and have loved them all!
@@WhytheBookWins the Kenzie/Gennaro series is amazing. Very gripping stories.
@richardpichan6916 yeah I've been wanting to cover gone baby gone, which I know it a later book in that series.
Without spoiling the story, does that book deal with child SA? I hate reading about that type of thing which is why I haven't read it yet cause I'm worried it's about that... but if it isn't too explicit it I'll read it.
@WhytheBookWins the whole series is pretty gritty.
In A Drink Before The War, Darkness Take My Hand, Gone Baby Gone, and Prayers For Rain the topic of SA is a part of the story, but like most ugly situations incorporated into those stories it's not egregious.
I started the series with Prayers For Rain and then started from A Drink Before The War, yet I still have to finish Moonlight Mile.
The only problem with starting later in the series is that the identities and backstories of the supporting characters in the series are built up throughout the series.
There are many differences between the Gone, Baby Gone book, and movie, primarily with characters and a couple of omitted scenes. I believe most of them are the result of the movie being a stand-alone feature and the books building the supporting characters throughout the entire series.
Both the book and movie are very, very good. I just think that to build and the frame and nuances surrounding the supporting characters in Gone, Baby Gone would've made for a much longer and very muddled film.
There is a lot of darkness in the series, but it is a representation of aspects of our society. The lows and highs in the series can really help to remind many of us how lucky we are and that everything we hold can be so very fragile.
@richardpichan6916 thanks! I think I'll start the series from the beginning and once I get to Gone Baby Gone I'll do a book vs movie for it 😊
I prefer to believe that Teddy is not a patient and it is an MK ultra story
Oooo that's an interesting way to see it! So many possibilities with this book/ movie.
I watched a great video about the film the other day which goes into all the clues that teddy was real and that the doctors were trying to make him believe his Andrew which was brilliant. It’s by PolterGibbst and is definitely worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.
@@Funisinfinite666 I have seen it! I love his videos.
Great analysis! Just finished reading the book (loved it) and am excited to revisit the film again. It’s been probably 10+ years since I watched it so the book felt relatively fresh.
Thanks! Yeah both book and movie are so good!
Watched this at 3am after being unemployed for 4 months barely leaving the house... Reality is my inner circle... The further out ppl r the less real it is... Wow
One of my favorite movies, I'm going to read the book on vacation. I was surprised to hear that the movie is so faithful to the book. Great review🙌🏻
If you like the movie in sure you'll like the book as well!
Glad you enjoyed the video 😊
Excellent point about it being worth rewatching!
Guess reading the book should go on my to do list too, then! 😊
Yes I highly recommend it!
5:52 paused this video to go read the book and watch the movie. Glad I did! What an experience! In my opinion, the Book Wins but both were fantastic!!
awesome! yeah they are both so incredible! I don't even remember which I picked at the end of this video because in my mind it is a tie.
Hypothesis for "Chuck Aule" name:
"To chuck it all": to give up one's job or abandon one's former way of living: quit.
This is a plausible explanation, don't really find a better one, but only half convinced. 😅
Yeah that one makes sense!
I think it means Chuck All = Chuckle , as in laugh, a joke indeed andrew. @@WhytheBookWins
@warbot4017 yeah someone else commented chuckle and I definitely think that's what he meant!
I watched Scorcese's The Age Of Innocence recently for the first time, I thought it was excellent, and is Very Underated / kind of forgotten about.
Deffo worth a Book / Movie analysis.
this one has been on my list to cover for a while, but your request will bump it up :) I will plan on getting to it early next year!
Chuckle. Its a pun name
I subbed the channel recently and appreciate your great intel about respective books. What do you think about the other reading - the second option? The movie particularly underlines the medication (cigarettes) that Teddy gets by the head-psychiatrist, from that point on he would be, due to drugs extremely vulnerable to brainwashing. Everything from that point onwards, from the point he starts to smoke these cigarettes makes teddy also unreliable in a double edged sense - meaning also as an alleged patient. It might be that we witness Teddy (a real investigative marshal) starting to believe the story he is fed, memories rearrange, everything gets mixed up, weird flashbacks etc. - becoming trapped in propaganda and brainwashing techniques. Its the US at the start of a cold war and post ww2 period - the chance of psychology being explored as a weapon, to shift/warp critiques, enemies, or to create reliable agents etc. is not so far fetched in my opinion. To brainwash undercover agents during the training is a theme also explored in many other secret agent movies (Bourne Identity etc.). thats what makes the story so great for me - war, an Island and psychiatry do not loose their threat/thread - unless we take the more soothing bait.
Oooo I don't know if I even considered this idea! Definitely an interesting way to think about it!
I think what’s brilliant about it is either way you look at it, the doctors are still trying to convince him that his Andrew, and everything the doctors do doesn’t change, just motivation. Either way chuck was still a psychiatrist going along and pretending to be his partner, they still had a nurse pretend to be Rachel, they still drug him throughout, it just depends on what you believe, is he Teddy or Andrew. And either way, the end result is the same, whatever they were trying didn’t work.
Another well thought out discussion.Loved Shutter Island. Haven't a read book in 25 years cause you know...Internet. Feeling too happy Laura ? I can help. Do what young me did 40 years ago and read 1984's Pulitzer Prize winner for fiction "Ironweed" then watch the film starring Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep. Set in Depression era 1930's America following two alcoholic drifters battling their demons. Still emotionally scarred four decades later. Always enjoy your videos. Sorry I went off on a tangent. All the best.
Funny enough, for my next poll I was thinking have the theme be depressing stories. I'll add this one to the list!
Great review! I read the book before watching the movie and it was very suspenseful for me. There were points in the book where I was very scared for Teddy and my heart was racing, which doesn't happen to me when I read books. Such a fun read. I probably would have been just as scared if I saw the movie first. As someone else mentioned, I thought Chuck Aule was meant to be a joke on "chuckle." I agree that the movie was faithful to the book, which is always nice to see in a movie. When it comes to deciding between which is better, the book or movie, I wonder if what we experience first influences how we feel about the material. I've noticed that every time I watch a movie first and then decide to read the book, I tend to view both as equally good, even if they are different. Whenever I read the book first, the book always ends up winning out. I wonder if that's just my quirk or if it happens to other people. Maybe it's just a reflection of the film's quality. I don't know why I'm writing a whole essay here, lol. I guess your review makes me wonder if I had seen the movie first, if I would consider it to win out over the book. It truly is an excellent film so I feel like if I had seen it first, I would perceive it as better than, or as good as, the book.
Thanks for sharing! And yes! I have definitely noticed I am inclined to like the movie more if I saw it before reading the book.
Hypothesis 2 about 'Chuck Aule': could it refer to the surrealist painter "Marc Chagall"? He's known for painting abstract, surreal things; so perhaps that makes sense too? I don't know. :D
Done hypothesizing now, all that's left to me is thank you for another great video with excellent insights! 🙂
Oh, interesting! That one is pretty specific so I don't know if that is what he means but maybe!
I've enjoyed several of your videos. Thanks. An author I'd like to recommend is Robert Silverberg, who is mostly known for his science fiction books. Here are a few recommended titles: Lord Valentine's Castle, Tom O'Bedlam, At Winter's End.
Thank you! I'm glad you've enjoyed my videos 😁 And thanks for the recommendation! I've never heard of him so I'll check him out!
Another suggestion: the audiobook version of My Name is Barbra, which is, of course, the new Streisand memoir that you already put in one of your polls. In this case imho the audiobook wins, because she has such a wonderful conversational voice, and even plays clips of her songs here and there. @@WhytheBookWins
I feel so sorry for Teddy/Andrew. 😢😭
Definitely 🥺
Teddy/Andrew earns the readers’ and audiences’ sympathy, unlike Dom Cobb in *Inception* Andrew emotionally neglected his wife and thus exacerbated her mental illness, subsequently leading to the murder cycle. Dom Cobb deliberately skewed Mal’s worldview, so that she found reality unbearable
There's still things about the movie I don't understand. The rule of 4 is what? The four dead? I also don't understand how his imagination taught him what a lobotomy is
Ps chuckle is so obvious lol
Great review. I would be very interested in seeing you take on this vid (ua-cam.com/video/3fWXnnBwYqU/v-deo.html) on how it was actually all real. As you have the insight on the book and the movie.
Hm I watched part of that and while it's an interesting theory, I don't think it applies to the book story.
Is teddy real n andrew is the fiction... Not 100% sure
Feel like this is purgatory and this about Andrew acceptimg he is dead and that is ok what happened and move on to the next world
That's a cool theory!