Chubb AVA Locks - Mechanism, History and Picking
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This video is a comprehensive look at the mechanics, history and picking of the Chubb/Union AVA locks. It took a long time to make, so if you like it, please leave a like and a comment and consider sharing it and maybe even subscribing! References and credits in the description 😃🔐👍
Credits - thank you to the following awesome people for their input to this video:
@Badlocksmithing (Twitter)
GJ Locks - / lockie110
Locks in the City - / paulh1982
Jamie
UCOF
Jon
References:
UK Patent 737,547 (1953)
UK Patent 1,030,921 (1963)
High Security Mechanical Locks - An Encyclopaedic Reference (2007) by Graham W Pulford
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This video is a comprehensive look at the mechanics, history and picking of the Chubb/Union AVA locks. It took a long time to make, so if you like it, please leave a like and a comment and consider sharing it and maybe even subscribing! Credits and references in the description 👍🔐😃
Thanks. Call me slow, if you like, but how are the 9 remaining sliders set? Is there a separate, concentric, picking arm inside the barrel of the picking tool, which can be manipulated while the 1st wafer tool is held still?
@lockNooob, thanks fora that great video. Probably silly, but I was wondering if you could share the PDF of the original patent (UK Patent 737,547 1953), the only version I could find only does not have the illustration and the High-Security Mechanical Locks Encyclopedic only has diagram for the newer chubb version.
Thanks
I'm so glad I enrolled in Lock Noob University
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Excellent video, I have been a locksmith for 43 years and this is the best explanation ever.
Chubb safety deposit box ( decommissioned with Ava locks , brought me here :) Thanks for the info.
Fantastic explanation thank you for the time and effort you have put into this video. 👍👍👍
Thanks 🙏
I really liked the presentation the animation was helpful in understanding as well. I appreciate you taking the time and effort. Next level!
Thank you 😊
You certainly did your homework...
well done
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Thank you 🙏
The original straight walled key design was decades a go extremely common lock used in car heating plug points, postboxes, cabinets, etc. here in Finland. Since then they have largely being replaced by poor chinese pintumbler locks. Worked always, never froze.
Also the later versions were seen occasionally. Had an bicycle lock with shorter Chubb version in 80s.
Great video! Thanks.
Interesting to know - I’d love to find some of those old locks!
@@LockNoob Here some more info.
docplayer.net/51574277-Discussed-systems-abloy-locks-with-fixed-not-rotating-discs.html
Abloy made 318 lookalike with Ava core, just because it was so reliable and faster to use compared to dd core. Those were made till turn of century. Courier companies used those here a lot. I would send you one if I had one.
I guess it went the way of Dodo as Ava cylinders (like Classic) were made with production lines that were labour intensive. When factory went to highly automated lines only high end products were kept.
Very good video, that. I must have missed it first time around! Then someone just asked a question on LPU about it, and I was struggling to recall if there was a sidebar, so came here for a refresher!
It’s one of my favourite videos I did I’m glad you liked it
Very well explained, thank you.
I very much appreciate your "tutorial" videos, you are a good reacher making it easy to understand things.
What a wonderful deep dive. Thanks so much
Thanks 😊
Awesome comprehensive info on these beautiful locks. We appreciate your extensive and well explained video. Research and editing must have taken you ages. I don't think I've seen others do videos of these locks in such detail. 👍🍺😎
Thank you friend 😊😊😊
Really interesting video Ash, thank you. I fitted a front door lock with this type of key on my first house. I always thought it was quite quirky, and the key easier on the jeans pocket. 👖
Really cool and informative. Thanks for sharing
Thanks 🙏
Brilliant presentation of this lock. I'm sure people will be using it for many years to come. Thank you!
Thank you 😊
Brilliant. Just brilliant
Thank you!!
Nice video Lock noob, thanks. I have a couple of these, plus a pair of chubb escort handcuffs, which unfortunately don't have the key. Your video has given me some ideas as to how to get into them. For years the information on these locks has been scant, so to see it broken down and the animation gives me a much clearer understanding.
Thanks
Mike
Those handcuffs are so cool!
Excellent video! Very impressed. 👍
Thanks 😊
Great job Ash, A will thought out and put together presentation. Lots of good information. Thanks
Nicely done Sir, nicely done. Very well explained and edited.
Thank you 😊
Thank-you for a wonderfully informative and understandable tutorial, which is clearly due to enormous effort to research, script and film/edit the video! I own a little AVA padlock (and maybe a cam lock? can't remember) but I have always considered that these were just collectors items to own for interest. I didn't really consider trying to pick them as I had believed it was for all practical purposes, impossible. Hmm. Maybe I can save up for five to ten years for one of those special pick/decoders (POA...!)? It could become a little niche picking interest...
Thank you ☺️
wonderful video, great explanation of these complex locks and how they work and are picked
Thanks 🙏
Great video.
It's interesting to see the progression of locks and their designs. Maybe some more videos like this on other locks in the pipeline?
About half way through I was thinking "But is it possible to pick one of these without a specialist tool"? Two minutes later you answer my question.
Thank you so much for posting, much appreciated.
(More like this please?)
I would like to do more like this for sure, but the audience is a little limited I feel, which is a little dispiriting. When I find another lock I’m passionate about, I’ll certainly think about it!
I bought one of those Chubb Padlocks when I was in the UK maybe 30 years ago and never really understood it. Recently when fooling with a Miracle / Ingersol Padlock with an AVA core, and with the knowledge from your video, I have a much better understanding and appreciation of this deceptively "simple" mechanism. I very much appreciate your effort in making this consummate video.
Thanks Ken 👍
Great video. Nice detailed facts. Very interesting old lock.
Thanks Friend 🙏
A fantastic & such an informative video, I enjoyed every second of it. Thanks for putting it together. Have a fantastic week. 👍
Thank you Daz, a bit of a labour of love I think!
This video was amazing! I really appreciate your channel and this video was just exceptionally informative. Now it can be used as THE go-to video if it comes to ava locks. Very well done! I wish I could tell information this dense and we'll underatandable in my videos.
Cheers 😃👍
Hi Lock Noob, An extremely well picked, researched and explained video on the very clever Ava lock. Thank you Lock Noob for taking the time. We don't see a lot of these Down Under, but they are around. On the odd occasion we are asked to open them, and even more rarely, a customer will bring in a key to have one duplicated - we refer them to Chubb, who have blanks and a machine to copy them. P.S. due to these locks and Abloy as well, I'd almost bet they don't have "Locksporters" in Finland! (:-)) Regards, Brian.
Thanks Brian, I always appreciate you comments 😃👍
Oh, there's definitely a few pickers in Finland. They tend to be more into the disc detainers!
Nice video !!
Very clever design.
Thanks 🙏
Very comprehensive overview of how these cores function and a nice quick look at tensioning and picking them. Fantastic job Locknoob!
Thank you 😊
nice informative history lesson thanks for sharing 👍👍👍🔑🔐🔒🔓🍻
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Wow.
So much information!!! Great video!!!
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Thank you
Awesome Fantastic Video -- my absolute favorite type of video with History, insides of the locks, examples, great editing, patents, etc.... Thus a showing a thorough, well thought out, and complete understanding of the lock mechanism with its strengths and faults (as in the awesome picking tool and it's use). You manages to compress a 1 hour power point presentation into 13 minutes -- EXTREMELY AND SUPERBLY DONE!!!!!!
Thanks Ken 👍🙏
Ash, this was a very good, and in depth analysis and explanation of the AVA locks. I can now fully understand the mechanics of these locks. I watched your previous video where you picked one and it looks pretty difficult. Thanks for sharing this my friend. Keep up the great work.
Thank you 😊
Good thorough video - Love Chubb , used to be a factory close to me in s.wales manufacturing lock parts (& fire ext.) nice job mate :)
Thank you 🙏
A very informative and interesting video! Thank you.
Thanks 🙏
Very educational video my friend! Well done! I really enjoyed learning about a different type of lock! Skol!
Skol!
Superb 👍
Thanks 😊
Awesome and informative video, thanks!
Thank you 🙏
I'm catching up on your videos and this one is great - the discussion on mechanisms is really interesting
Thanks!
Great video, wish I had one to play with, but all have is an Abloy 3075.
Nice lock
Great video. Enjoyed those details and the history :)
Thank you 🙏
great History lesson Ash my friend👍😎🇬🇧😊👊
Thanks Leon 😃😃😃
Very interesting my friend
Thanks!
Great explanation well delivered keep up the great work LN. :)
Thank you 🙏
An essential video my friend, perfect description of a complex and exciting system, thank you very much for the effort and thank you very very much for send one of these beauties to me, I really appreciate it. You rocks! cheers! ;o))
Thanks Tallan! If anyone could figure out a way to pick one without a special tool, I think you could 👍😃
Really interesting thanks mate
Awesome, that was great, very clear and informative video, just had look on ebay, they are expensive locks, blank keys are also available, great stuff, love watching your vids. 👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌😊😊😊😊
Thank you 🙏
Very informative! I would really like to try out one of these locks someday. Of course the tool is likely an expensive thing to obtain. So maybe a hint for Christmas or birthday is in order.
Fun if you ever get to try one 👍
Very informative, great video. I'm curious about the wafers not being spring loaded. I'm guessing it's for simplicity and durability, but wouldn't that make them vulnerable to some sort of jiggling attack?
About picking, could you simply find a binding wafer while applying tension and simply moving it until it no longer binds instead of measuring exact movement of each wafer? Of course, correctly set wafer cannot bind so you never move a correctly set wafer.
Good video. I am left with questions ,it might be something I missed. How would you determine what tension tip would you use if you don’t have a key as in a challenge lock situation or obtain a Chubb lock without said key? Would it just be stick to see which one best fits?
The technique for determining the tip as per the instructions is complicated but the easiest way (though longest) is to put each tip in in turn in both orientations and see which one causes all the sliders to bind in each position
Wow, you are a genius! It looks like you've found a pick that BB doesn't have! Great! Just one question; does the spring at the back push all the sliders to the locked position or are they all completely loose?
If you press the sprung cup at the back the sliders go loose - they may stay in place depending on the orientation of the lock.
@@LockNoob I didn't mean that. What I meant was, is each disk in fact wedge shaped horizontally so when pushed together from the spring at the back, they slide/chevron to the loosest position which is in fact the locked position. I still think you could push a diamond shaped bar down the keyway, depressing the spring and when you tap the lock from either side with a rubber mallet, the sliders would ricochet on to the bar, leaving them all in the unlocked position. Maybe that's why wafer locks have springs keeping them in them in the locked position, and disk detainer locks have disks that spin, not slide making it impossible odds that you could rap them all to the required position.
Looks like a little Protector Lock
Any idea of when the Abloy AVA was first produced? I thought it was before the ASSA Abloy merger but I'm not sure.
It was
Great info. The keys look similar but not exactly the same to the ones used by Ford (Australia) from early 2000s until they stopped making cars here. Did Ford in Europe use anything like it? I haven't pulled apart a Ford lock, so I'm not sure how they work.
Ford used the Tibbe lock
Thanks, I will google that and learn about it.
I think before the Tibbe lock they used these
I’d love to see the car version of the Ava
@@LockNoob spring loaded wafers in tibbe lock. Different design.
Got a question what locks are safer disc or normal pin tumblers? Witch ones are easier to pick
There is no easy answer as it depends on the type of lock and how it’s used - the Abloy Protec 2 disc lock is considered extremely hard to pick but then again so is the KABA 20 dimple lock etc. Best chat to a locksmith about a specific need 👍😃
Ash do have any small locks like this you can part with. I want to practice on then. Thank you my friend CHEERS
I’ll have a look 👀
@@LockNoob wow,I thank you so much my friend. Thank you.
Ash do you make the picks and wires for lever lock padlocks
No my friend, but Andy Mac does
@@LockNoob I didn't know you had to be a member of his site to buy his tools. Thank you brother
Isn’t there a Chubb insurance company? Same? Different?
Possibly the same once I think
@@LockNoob Yeah, the name was once a single company then they started doing insurance and fire, and then they split and sold bits, and it all gets really complex, until the actual lock side vanishes into Union, and then Assa Abloy bought Union...
for some reason i kept thinking about chubby the clown when i see chubb locks, you might not know chubby the clown in the UK? we don't mention his name.... ever
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Fantastic vid Ash, loved every minute. Thanks for taking the time to make it and for sharing. Take care and have a great weekend.
Thank you Gazz 😊😊