I like the immediacy & limitations of a keyboard/synth versus the MIDI keyboard + soft synths in a DAW + option paralysis. I'd rather push a physical button and scroll than hunt for a preset in my DAW. I always feel a disconnect with MIDI keyboard controller and the DAW. Even if the sounds are "superior" I'd still rather use a dedicated instrument. This new Juno D looks like it would be perfect for my needs.
12:54 it resonates with me! Big time. I had a Fantom-0 but it was just too much for the reasons you mentioned. From what I’ve watched, the Ui on this Juno seems much more straight forward and to the point imo. I’ve never seen your channel, but decided to watch because I wanted to get a fresh perspective. Thanks for providing this, it confirms some of my initial thoughts.
Thanks for your comment! I’m excited to get my hands on the Juno D for the same reason you shared! Which one are you most interested in? I’m eyeing the 6 or 8 🤔
I don’t know. Seems like Roland keeps slicing the same bread thinner and thinner. Fantom EX, Fantom O, Juno X, and Juno D, JU-06A, and Cloud all capable of covering the Juno sound space. Seems like they are afraid of doing something new that isn’t old. How do you want your Juno. Enough with trying to figure out how many times you can cycle through the same sounds. They are doing the same to some extent with Jupiter.
You know this is clearly a successor for juno ds series. Do you really want them to not update their products? Do you want them to keep selling juno ds with bad screen and keys for the next 50 years, or do you want them to keep their product lineup modern?
I will say this…playing both directly next to each other…owning maschine and MPC…I would buy the Juno d6 IN A HEARTBEAT…again…I own two workstations devices along with Studio One and Analog Lab V..
Ds 16 parts D 8 parts If only they'd make another FA series with group set, so powerful for live playing, 1 scene and you have all the sounds with a tap of a button
I'm quite excited for this board, given that it's USB class compliant, I do wonder if that will follow up to the Fantom-0 and the Fantom EX (never buy technology for what it could be, buy it for what it is now). What I'm curious about is the 8 parts that is mentioned on the website and if it is possible to access the other (MIDI) parts 9 to 16 via a MIDI Patchbay, keyboard or a DAW, it seems to be Roland took the original Yamaha Montage approach (8 parts only accessible via the keyboard while the rest would need an app or DAW to get to the rest of the parts/channels). Looking forward to the video about it though.
Before you buy this first find out the truth about polyphony on this. The Fantom range was advertised as 256 but in real terms that is no where near the amount. Filter slopes, partials(oscillators), sustain pedal, etc fast run out and drop voices even from the piano sound. Roland are very deceitful with their marketing in these new boards. Beware folks, beware.
@@JuliusDeBerryJr have you looked? Search for: FANTOM EX: Maximum Polyphony I can have a drum kit, a Zen Core tone and a SN Piano and it drops voices and frequently it cuts out completely then starts again.
The class compliant USB for audio/MIDI on the Juno D really caught my eye. I'd prefer the linear sequencer of the FA-06. The Fantom-06 has a pattern sequencer and is not class compliant and the Juno D has no sequencer to speak of, but is class compliant. I think I could get along with a Juno D and an iPad sequencer like Logic or Cubasis, and have two-way audio and MIDI. I'd treat the iPad as a large touch screen on the Juno D. (Oh, by the way, the Yamaha Moxf6 has a class compliant USB B interface for audio and MIDI in the final firmware.)
interesting, I am sure the Juno D has some type of pattern sequencer or something in there. I thought I saw it in a video. for sure it does because the TR Rec buttons are there
I have the Juno Ds-61 and it's served me well for years. An updated version sounds epic, I probably won't upgrade bc I'm saving up for a Teo 5 but maybe someday.
nice, I've used the DS61 for a bit and really enjoyed it and it's simplicity. Right now I am really considering what a D61 (or 88) would look like for me as a replacement for the fantom EX 6 and novation launchkey 49 mk3 (that is sorta just sitting around, not being used)
Id gotta hear what would be exactly different. They have a Juno 106 expansion thats compatible with the O series...but even still I wouldn't get the Juno-D. I feel like the Juno should be much of the same things they already built on a software/OS level and just passing patches along to other hardware. They say Juno, but what makes the Juno a Juno? Wouldnt it be the same source material at its core despite what presets you get to make it sound like a Juno? Not trying to sound argumentive. Theyre real questions lol. I have the Fantom O, Integra 7, XV-5080, JV-1080...Also Korg Triton rack and Korg M1 rack. Its like theres a high chance I have the sound, but preset wise what iteration of effects make them sound different and how well it sounds coming out. Lot of overlap. I just like simple bread and butter sounds with not too much going on...ill do the rest.
Not sure how I feel about this. I have a Juno X and bought it since I previously owned a Juno 106. Not sure if this new rig should have the Juno name. Maybe I’m just old school or just stubborn. Seems like it’s a new breed and should have it’s own unique product name. The Fantom O series was still a Fantom (but stripped). This Juno looks like a totally new product.
yeah I kinda agree... I don't have a full understanding/appreciation of all the history but knowing that the Juno (like the model ex on the fantom) is a full fledged vintage synth, this seems like a totally different product!
Juno is just Roland's name for it's more economically priced, stripped down keyboards. The Juno 106 was a response to the more expensive Jupiter 8. It's not based on the soundset or features specifically. And theyve has digital rompler juno keyboards for 20 years.
@@jaredpsloan I hear you but… The Juno has its “special place” in synth history. The Juno 106 is no where near the Jupiter. However, it has its place in history and/or user base. Your argument is valid however, the Juno name is somewhat special - just like the Jupiter, Fairlight, DX7, Emu II, D50, etc. I sorta feel its like Lamborghini selling a VW bug with a Lamborghini badge.
The class compliance is one of the biggest selling point on the Juno-d. I have a Jupiter Xm. I wish it had class compliant audio. It would be the perfect mobile solution with iPad. Juno D is ticking some of those boxes but I’d like to hear what the real polyphony is and test the keybed on the 76 and 88 key versions.
so the keybed is the same as the fantom 07 / 08 ... which I think i mention in here how the 06 I liked but the 08 not so much. but yeah I agree... Im surprised so many boards Ive tested DONT have class compliancy... for the iPad purpose you mentioned plus being able to use with my iPhone to record content etc. would make things so much easier
Hi may i know, if this juno d8 can do everything that juno ds88 can? But with extra features like zencore sound engine isit? Overall is juno d8 better than the ds88?
Watching your video... Wanted to ask this. If you have to bring a speaker that will need real power, what is the real benefit of having a keyboard that doesn't require it. Since you will need a power drop anyway?
whats up brother! good question. great question actually. I use my OB-4 speaker which is fully portable and sounds amazing. so having that with this keyboard (and determining if my OP-1 field can or can't power it up) would be a full on mobile rig that gets me excited. thanks for checking out the video my guy
Thank you for acknowledging that the Fantom is heavy!!! I have the flagship Fantom myself I don’t carry it out as much as I want to because it’s heavy!!! I use my FA as my aux board!!! I do want the Juno D 6 for my aux or third aux!!! My deal breaker would be how to transition patches!!! Btw I’m thinking about buying the Kronos first but it will be the same issue as the Fantom I heard its heavy too!!!also I would use it for small rehearsals it has the inessentials!!!!
transition patches from fantom / FA to the juno? thats a good question! im really curious now about this juno D61. I may reach out to Zzounds to see if I can get one on loan
Fantom-06 does give you some SuperNatural sounds and the Virtual Tonewheel organ. Plus you can expand with the vintage models. So…definitely some other advantages, but at a cost! Or you could spend the same as a Fantom-06 and get Korg Nautilus 61 and really be in another league.
Have a MODX, Nord 5D, Roland FA06 and Nautilus 61.. I hardly use the Nautilus...To heavy to gig with and way more complicated and menu diving. Been giging with the Nord on bottom and Yamaha CK61 on top. Really like allot of the newer sounds on this model though
There is similar keyboard from Yamaha - CK61. It doesn't have a sequencer or drum sounds, but it has real organ drawbars. CK61 has speakers and runs on batteries. I've also heard about Roland polyphony issues and hidden costs on some keyboards. I think on RD-8 you have to pay $200 to unlock audio over USB. I have Yamaha MODX 7 and thinking about buying more portable keyboard with simpler user interface. Can't you try drum pattern ideas on an iPad if you don't want to use a computer?
def but I really prefer and appreciate not having to connect things together to do things I want to do on one board. my personal preference! I certainly have used an iPad / Pro in such a config in the past though!
Juno ds supported multisampling but this does not as of now may be in future they will add or not we don't know.....how much memory this has for sampling and expansions installation? If you know kindly answer .....Roland is always hiding information about their bottom end instruments...
@@Khordmaster yep but I saw the parameters guide of Juno d and there they have already mentioned sample as well as multisample (as oscillator source) which means that they will enable it's multisampling capability through an update but I hope they have increased the rom from 64 mb which was very much less in Juno ds
haha man!!! sorry bout that lol. maybe ill learn how to use one and re upload it for you (not being sarcastic). I'm using a new video editing software so always trying to learn new things with it when the need arises and that's exactly what happened here. thanks for the comment bro!
I'm watching this on a TV with cheap Presonus studio monitors. I'm about 8-10 feet from speakers and I could barely hear any noise. If not that warning before the video, I would not even notice any noise.
Background Noise…Ever heard of a thing called „DI BOX“ Behringer HD 400. And Noize from shitty Roland or Yamaha USB Ports that are intentionally build in the lower price range keys like modx or Junos is gone. 20 $ Remember LOFI is just a Term for People without a DI BOX. ; )
6 is smaller and lighter. easier to move around. and the keybed on the fantom08 (which is the same as this) left a lot to be desired from my recollection
LOL i was talking to my contact there yesterday... an EX 0 would have been super ideal for me ... but he mentioned this as a trunk keyboard so the idea is like you can always just have it on you and be gig ready instantly. I'm intrigued by it...
I like the immediacy & limitations of a keyboard/synth versus the MIDI keyboard + soft synths in a DAW + option paralysis. I'd rather push a physical button and scroll than hunt for a preset in my DAW. I always feel a disconnect with MIDI keyboard controller and the DAW. Even if the sounds are "superior" I'd still rather use a dedicated instrument. This new Juno D looks like it would be perfect for my needs.
Exactly my feelings! Make sure you watch my upcoming video I’m editing now … talks a bit more about this
12:54 it resonates with me! Big time. I had a Fantom-0 but it was just too much for the reasons you mentioned. From what I’ve watched, the Ui on this Juno seems much more straight forward and to the point imo. I’ve never seen your channel, but decided to watch because I wanted to get a fresh perspective. Thanks for providing this, it confirms some of my initial thoughts.
Thanks for your comment! I’m excited to get my hands on the Juno D for the same reason you shared! Which one are you most interested in? I’m eyeing the 6 or 8 🤔
@@Khordmaster because of my space, I’m going for the 6! 😎 Either way, I will keep an eye out for when you do a review.
I don’t know. Seems like Roland keeps slicing the same bread thinner and thinner. Fantom EX, Fantom O, Juno X, and Juno D, JU-06A, and Cloud all capable of covering the Juno sound space. Seems like they are afraid of doing something new that isn’t old. How do you want your Juno.
Enough with trying to figure out how many times you can cycle through the same sounds. They are doing the same to some extent with Jupiter.
I feel you on this. The new and exciting aspects with this lie in its usb c capabilities for me personally. But I def hear you!
You know this is clearly a successor for juno ds series. Do you really want them to not update their products? Do you want them to keep selling juno ds with bad screen and keys for the next 50 years, or do you want them to keep their product lineup modern?
@@cirisirpula152 I think what he is saying is that they all sound the same with the exact same engine. The only differences are in name.
I will say this…playing both directly next to each other…owning maschine and MPC…I would buy the Juno d6 IN A HEARTBEAT…again…I own two workstations devices along with Studio One and Analog Lab V..
How would the Juno D compare to a Korg Kross 2?
Can’t say! Haven’t tried either personally. Yet! How do you see yourself using either one of them mostly?
Ds 16 parts
D 8 parts
If only they'd make another FA series with group set, so powerful for live playing, 1 scene and you have all the sounds with a tap of a button
I'm quite excited for this board, given that it's USB class compliant, I do wonder if that will follow up to the Fantom-0 and the Fantom EX (never buy technology for what it could be, buy it for what it is now). What I'm curious about is the 8 parts that is mentioned on the website and if it is possible to access the other (MIDI) parts 9 to 16 via a MIDI Patchbay, keyboard or a DAW, it seems to be Roland took the original Yamaha Montage approach (8 parts only accessible via the keyboard while the rest would need an app or DAW to get to the rest of the parts/channels).
Looking forward to the video about it though.
Before you buy this first find out the truth about polyphony on this. The Fantom range was advertised as 256 but in real terms that is no where near the amount. Filter slopes, partials(oscillators), sustain pedal, etc fast run out and drop voices even from the piano sound. Roland are very deceitful with their marketing in these new boards. Beware folks, beware.
Where in the world did you see that the fantom was advertised as having 256 voices of polyphony? I've never ever heard that before.
@@JuliusDeBerryJr have you looked? Search for: FANTOM EX: Maximum Polyphony
I can have a drum kit, a Zen Core tone and a SN Piano and it drops voices and frequently it cuts out completely then starts again.
@@JuliusDeBerryJr 256 voices, look it up. Hoodwinked
I have a piaggero np15 looking to upgrade to a Yamaha yc / roland F06 or the juno d any recommendations
sup!!! depends on a lot of factors! what are you using it for mostly? beatmaking? piano playing? in home only or gigging? budget?
The class compliant USB for audio/MIDI on the Juno D really caught my eye. I'd prefer the linear sequencer of the FA-06. The Fantom-06 has a pattern sequencer and is not class compliant and the Juno D has no sequencer to speak of, but is class compliant. I think I could get along with a Juno D and an iPad sequencer like Logic or Cubasis, and have two-way audio and MIDI. I'd treat the iPad as a large touch screen on the Juno D. (Oh, by the way, the Yamaha Moxf6 has a class compliant USB B interface for audio and MIDI in the final firmware.)
interesting, I am sure the Juno D has some type of pattern sequencer or something in there. I thought I saw it in a video. for sure it does because the TR Rec buttons are there
@@Khordmaster Yes, it has a very simple, cut down sequencer. Otherwise, it's got the Zencore engine, which is not bad.
I have the Juno Ds-61 and it's served me well for years. An updated version sounds epic, I probably won't upgrade bc I'm saving up for a Teo 5 but maybe someday.
nice, I've used the DS61 for a bit and really enjoyed it and it's simplicity. Right now I am really considering what a D61 (or 88) would look like for me as a replacement for the fantom EX 6 and novation launchkey 49 mk3 (that is sorta just sitting around, not being used)
Id gotta hear what would be exactly different. They have a Juno 106 expansion thats compatible with the O series...but even still I wouldn't get the Juno-D. I feel like the Juno should be much of the same things they already built on a software/OS level and just passing patches along to other hardware. They say Juno, but what makes the Juno a Juno? Wouldnt it be the same source material at its core despite what presets you get to make it sound like a Juno? Not trying to sound argumentive. Theyre real questions lol. I have the Fantom O, Integra 7, XV-5080, JV-1080...Also Korg Triton rack and Korg M1 rack. Its like theres a high chance I have the sound, but preset wise what iteration of effects make them sound different and how well it sounds coming out. Lot of overlap. I just like simple bread and butter sounds with not too much going on...ill do the rest.
I FEEL YA
Not sure how I feel about this. I have a Juno X and bought it since I previously owned a Juno 106. Not sure if this new rig should have the Juno name. Maybe I’m just old school or just stubborn. Seems like it’s a new breed and should have it’s own unique product name. The Fantom O series was still a Fantom (but stripped). This Juno looks like a totally new product.
yeah I kinda agree... I don't have a full understanding/appreciation of all the history but knowing that the Juno (like the model ex on the fantom) is a full fledged vintage synth, this seems like a totally different product!
Juno 106 from synth spa here talk about a super saw
Juno is just Roland's name for it's more economically priced, stripped down keyboards. The Juno 106 was a response to the more expensive Jupiter 8. It's not based on the soundset or features specifically. And theyve has digital rompler juno keyboards for 20 years.
@@jaredpsloan I hear you but… The Juno has its “special place” in synth history. The Juno 106 is no where near the Jupiter. However, it has its place in history and/or user base. Your argument is valid however, the Juno name is somewhat special - just like the Jupiter, Fairlight, DX7, Emu II, D50, etc. I sorta feel its like Lamborghini selling a VW bug with a Lamborghini badge.
The class compliance is one of the biggest selling point on the Juno-d. I have a Jupiter Xm. I wish it had class compliant audio. It would be the perfect mobile solution with iPad. Juno D is ticking some of those boxes but I’d like to hear what the real polyphony is and test the keybed on the 76 and 88 key versions.
so the keybed is the same as the fantom 07 / 08 ... which I think i mention in here how the 06 I liked but the 08 not so much. but yeah I agree... Im surprised so many boards Ive tested DONT have class compliancy... for the iPad purpose you mentioned plus being able to use with my iPhone to record content etc. would make things so much easier
Hi may i know, if this juno d8 can do everything that juno ds88 can? But with extra features like zencore sound engine isit? Overall is juno d8 better than the ds88?
Good question … see my response to the person who commented about multi sampling below
I have a Roland ds61 this is about the same board.
Watching your video... Wanted to ask this. If you have to bring a speaker that will need real power, what is the real benefit of having a keyboard that doesn't require it. Since you will need a power drop anyway?
Hey Julius, what do you mean by this?
whats up brother! good question. great question actually. I use my OB-4 speaker which is fully portable and sounds amazing. so having that with this keyboard (and determining if my OP-1 field can or can't power it up) would be a full on mobile rig that gets me excited. thanks for checking out the video my guy
Guys please help 🙏🏽. Should I go for the DS61 or D61??? 😢
I would get the D no question
Juno ds patches work in juno D?
@@diujay good question - im not sure
@@Khordmaster thanks
Thank you for acknowledging that the Fantom is heavy!!! I have the flagship Fantom myself I don’t carry it out as much as I want to because it’s heavy!!! I use my FA as my aux board!!! I do want the Juno D 6 for my aux or third aux!!! My deal breaker would be how to transition patches!!! Btw I’m thinking about buying the Kronos first but it will be the same issue as the Fantom I heard its heavy too!!!also I would use it for small rehearsals it has the inessentials!!!!
transition patches from fantom / FA to the juno? thats a good question! im really curious now about this juno D61. I may reach out to Zzounds to see if I can get one on loan
Great video. I have to buy a new keyboard. There are so many different Roland options. It gets really confusing.
Thanks! Yeah there are a alotttttt of options Roland has out there
Fantom-06 does give you some SuperNatural sounds and the Virtual Tonewheel organ. Plus you can expand with the vintage models. So…definitely some other advantages, but at a cost!
Or you could spend the same as a Fantom-06 and get Korg Nautilus 61 and really be in another league.
Have a MODX, Nord 5D, Roland FA06 and Nautilus 61.. I hardly use the Nautilus...To heavy to gig with and way more complicated and menu diving. Been giging with the Nord on bottom and Yamaha CK61 on top. Really like allot of the newer sounds on this model though
There is similar keyboard from Yamaha - CK61. It doesn't have a sequencer or drum sounds, but it has real organ drawbars. CK61 has speakers and runs on batteries. I've also heard about Roland polyphony issues and hidden costs on some keyboards. I think on RD-8 you have to pay $200 to unlock audio over USB.
I have Yamaha MODX 7 and thinking about buying more portable keyboard with simpler user interface.
Can't you try drum pattern ideas on an iPad if you don't want to use a computer?
I used to use my MODX6 for bread & butter sounds for gig but replaced with CK61....Just easy and lightweight
def but I really prefer and appreciate not having to connect things together to do things I want to do on one board. my personal preference! I certainly have used an iPad / Pro in such a config in the past though!
Juno ds supported multisampling but this does not as of now may be in future they will add or not we don't know.....how much memory this has for sampling and expansions installation? If you know kindly answer .....Roland is always hiding information about their bottom end instruments...
Interesting about the multi sampling… a comprehensive list of differences between this and the Fantom 08 and the Juno DS would be very beneficial
@@Khordmaster yep but I saw the parameters guide of Juno d and there they have already mentioned sample as well as multisample (as oscillator source) which means that they will enable it's multisampling capability through an update but I hope they have increased the rom from 64 mb which was very much less in Juno ds
I also want to know how much memory for sampling in new Juno D6@@fahimdawer
My man just use a denoiser or something so so so so easy to fix in post hahaha I couldn't do it this hurts.
haha man!!! sorry bout that lol. maybe ill learn how to use one and re upload it for you (not being sarcastic). I'm using a new video editing software so always trying to learn new things with it when the need arises and that's exactly what happened here. thanks for the comment bro!
I'm watching this on a TV with cheap Presonus studio monitors. I'm about 8-10 feet from speakers and I could barely hear any noise. If not that warning before the video, I would not even notice any noise.
@@FirstLast-nr6gf two different ends of the spectrum literally and figuratively lol… how was the video overall? Did you enjoy it?
Background Noise…Ever heard of a thing called „DI BOX“ Behringer HD 400. And Noize from shitty Roland or Yamaha USB Ports that are intentionally build in the lower price range keys like modx or Junos is gone. 20 $ Remember LOFI is just a Term for People without a DI BOX. ; )
I have not! and it was a little hard to follow what you were saying in your comment btw
The only way it can be better is if it can Auto Chop , slice samples edit etc
highly doubtful!
Hands on review please. i am interesting!
working on it!
Do not get the six get the the eight if you're a gigging musician why would you get the six I have the o8 and flagship eight
6 is smaller and lighter. easier to move around. and the keybed on the fantom08 (which is the same as this) left a lot to be desired from my recollection
Roland would have gotten roasted to death if they released an EX 0 version.
LOL i was talking to my contact there yesterday... an EX 0 would have been super ideal for me ... but he mentioned this as a trunk keyboard so the idea is like you can always just have it on you and be gig ready instantly. I'm intrigued by it...
It’s the same as the Juno ds. Literally the same buttons and sounds. It just adds crappy zen core sounds.
Are you sure it also has all the sounds from the DS as well along with zen core sounds?
incorrect, class compliant USB C port and TR rec for sequencing are 2 differences that caught my eye right away. maybe more
I friend of mine had to return 3 Fantom06’s because they where bent like a banana. The build quality here could be similar, just be aware of it.
Damn that’s bad. Did he go for a 4th and was it okay?