Subbed, pay attention people, this is how you do a winch review, or any kind of review, excellent video, answered all a my questions, and doubts, keep it up
Thanks for that, it's good to hear something positive once in a while. The winch is still working great, I have other videos of the winch in action doing some real recovery
So right, the last review I watched didn't even show them use it... TonyFall2fast, how has it held up? do think this will be a decent set up for a 4500 lbs 4 door tacoma?
Kinda wish Jeep still produced Two door jeeps. I get four doors are economically more practical. But Jeeps look better two door. I see one and be like, that's a jeep.
Looks like mosquito hell. I have the same winch on my JLUR. Love it. On my previous JKUR I had the 9500 XCR which held up fine for over 5 years without issue and used many times. People always want to give a WARNing against SB but they actually make decent products for a lot less than paying for the name of some other stuff.
another reason to have a mount that you can attach a winch to the rear of the rig. As soon as you said "This looks yucky and I don't know if the trail goes anywhere..." I was thinking...so, you are going to pull yourself a 100 feet at a time, just so you can turn around somewhere and winch yourself back out.....AND you don't know where you are going? Tell me you were once a 2ND LT.
Great demo. I just pulled the trigger on the xrc. Winch. Seems like you were alone. Weren't you worried about either burning the motor or your battery pooping out? Not criticizing, but that's what I would worry about getting through all that mud.
its a 10,000 winch for anyone who is watching and is curious. and to the maker of this video this video is good example of what a 98510 winch can do. but I think you should just call it a 10,000 winch and yeah include the model number too like you did, either way good vid you got my thumbs up
Thanks for the comment, You know I never noticed how the title didn't make sense until you pointed that out,. LOL, I changed it. LOL it's good to some productive comments once in a while.
Nice demo of the winch working in mud. Thank you! It looked like you didn't have lockers engaged when running the trail. Was that just so you could show how the winch pulled or some other reason?
Thanks for the great demo. I've never used one, so I'm wondering were you actually using the remote while you drove simultaneously? Seems like it would be a bit tricky.
quetzalin yes, use it together. Assisting going up hill is trickier sometimes, can’t go off trail and roll where I am here. If you need more info let me know and i will try and help.
Thanks for posting this great video! I have a unrelated question: The wires that run from your hood latches to what looks like a lightbar are a great idea (they remind me of the ones I saw on the old WW2 Jeep movies.) Can you please let me know what the lightbar looking thing that says "Lake County Off Roads" is and what those brackets that hold it on are?
I will make a little video for you. That light bar looking thing is a light bar, that is it's cover, some states require you have it covered so you are not prone to turn it on and blind oncoming drivers. Light bar is Rough Country PN: RC-70950 $279.99, and the brackets are PN: RC-70504 $63.00, and those cables are called "limb risers" when you go through heavy brush, they push the branches out of the way, or they will guide the branches over the top instead of the branches going along the hood, and then slapping you in the face. I will still make a quick video.
Here you go John, this should answer your questions. ua-cam.com/video/eLn8vC2weuE/v-deo.html thanks for watching, I had a great time making the videos as you can see.
it's synthetic line, the "COMP" version comes with synthetic. you will love it! Especially using snatch block and when handling it AFTER you get yourself free.
Tony Fall2Fast thanks for responding to my comment, so I know that some people say that synthetic line can wear out due to weathering, does your line show any signs of fraying or weathering
I see all the comments on the duty cycle..(so I'll be polite here LOL) I have a 88 Dodge Dakota, I weighed it 3611 lbs with me in it. I'm gonna go with the XRC 9500lb series 2 winch ( I believe its the same 6.6hp motor as the x20 you have, in a different "cheaper" body) My point is I'm just wondering how long I should be winching at a time? The truck being an ancient chrysler product runs a 1200CCA AGM style battery. I'm not shy of taking way longer than I need to, if it means the winch will last longer, just curious what people think about that.
I hear many different stories on this. It all depends on the load, each situation you use it will be different. I purposely strained mine to see how it would hold up in this video.Another problem with this winch is, the motor is isolated and you can't feel it if it's getting hot, I have never felt it even get warm and I know I have overloaded it here and there. So fast forward to today, and it seems like the winch isn't working as well as new. It seems to draw more current than it used to, and while winching makes a high and low sound most times. I did check the current draw and it's within specs, unfortunately I didn't check it while it was newer. This winch gets a lot of use, in fact I used it to get over some sand Saturday, and a couple recoveries. (have still pics and dashcam, maybe I should put it on here) Watch other videos and pick the advice that is given the most. Moral of the story, take your time with it especially under heavy load situations, Don't goose the button on and off. If you have a voltmeter in the vehicle watch for voltage drop, the motor can get damaged if the voltage goes too low. Hope this helps some, and have fun out there!
@@TDHobbies Ah I see what your saying about the temperature in the sealed unit. I do have an extra voltage gauge in the truck I could wire to the winch as well as a amperage gauge. So slow and steady wins the race! Thanks for the quick response and advice, I appreciate it!
gittyupalice96 when I talk about amps, I clamped a meter onto the cable to see the draw, a meter in the dash may not give you the info I’m talking about. Either way, if it drops voltage, your working it too much. You’ll know what I mean when you winch hard, LOL, the overall stress on the rope and frame will scare you to let off. Haha
Who out there knows how hard winching is on a battery? How long were you winching though the mud? Just wondering if it's better to have 2 battery set up? Thanks - Great video
It's hard on a battery, I have the biggest AGM battery that will fit, I think it's 1,000 CCA, and it's good for long pulls like this under lighter loads, it will pull down voltage on heavy pulls and you have to shut it down and take your time. This was a closed trail due to the mud, so I was not in anyone's way, and every pull is in this video. This mud was really soft, you can see how the axle is plowing, but it's rather soft, and the line is out a little ways too. with that being said, the winch is under less of a load with soft mud, and the farther out the line is, it has more power. You can go to Smittybilt's site and find some information on power and current draw, however actual draw on the battery is not steady. I can tell you that when I preload my line and pull about 1,000 lbs pressure it draws about 95 amps. I measured the amps with a meter, and guessed with the load. If you are pulling heavy loads, I mean like up a very steep hill, or through heavy clay because you are high center, it will pull upwards of 300 amps. When pulling very hard like that, it's kind of scary so you tend to go slow and easy naturally, but if you get into situations like that often, 2 batteries are nice to have. This is just a base answer, nothing in high detail, but I hope it helps. I used this same winch a few time between 11-29-19, and 12-1-19 in Rush Kentucky. Thanks for watching and putting up a real comment. I hope this helps answer your questions
@@TDHobbies Yes, there really isn't a video out there that i have seen explaining this. I had to learn the hard way on my RZR last winter. I just bought a winch like yours. I am a bit worried about getting out in deep snow and not only not getting out, but then killing my one battery. haha I'll be walking out then for sure. So.. If i took my time and let the truck charge up the battery then pulled more and kind of switched back and forth i would probably be ok then?
im thinking about buying one of these is it also good for pulling people out? I have passed probably 20+ stuck cars over the past 2 weeks because of snow storms and I cant help them even though i have my rubicon
mike lang it’s still working great, an I use it mostly to pull others out of situations. You need to anchor yourself good depending on how stuck the vehicle is. It’s actually more powerful to use the winch, than it is using the engine and wheel power I think.
Dana44 ***** I did have to replace the controller and receiver, it was covered under warranty. Only the wireless failed. Apparently it’s not water resistant and for sure not waterproof. LOL Other than that, it’s been fine. I haven’t used it as much this year, but it pretty much does at least a couple good pulls a month. I would say I used it about 25 times this season between recovery of others and just messing around.
Dana44 ***** I have some video that I need to put up where I purposely got delayed (not stuck) and a person asked if I needed help, they they broke down and I helped them. Haha. Busy and lazy lately, but it’s still working good, and I really do use it a lot as a group leader.
Not sure how to answer that, but it's just a little bit faster. around the 3 min mark the jeep is practically going on it's own. It's not very fast, that's for sure. Just a little faster than under a load here. I hope that helps. So far it's working good, and I have used it quite a few times after this day.
I sold the keep just under a year ago and it was working great. I was a group leader, so the winch was used much more than normal, and I would create situations where it was needed.
Where did you hear 30 seconds a time? And how much time in between those 30 seconds? Either way, this is a video demonstration so over doing it would be a good thing.
Tony Fall2Fast General rule of thumb is 50% work-time. 30 secs on, 30 secs off. Running it for long times like in this video doesn’t prove its reliability, it just causes excess wear on internal components. Essentially shortening its lifespan. Good video though thanks for the upload.
@@Grimorse Thanks for your input and being polite, you don't see that much on here anymore. If you feel I am running it longer than recommended under the current load and the winch is demonstrating no signs of fatigue, I would think this is a good demonstration on reliability. I didn't really plan on a stress test in this video (I have done a few using this winch, but no video currently). I do agree longevity may be reduced if used like this all the time as I did not measure actual loads with a meter. One thing I will say is it never even got warm! I think the housing doesn't make much contact with the motor, I was TRYING to make it get warm and it never did, at least touching the outer casing. In fact I have overloaded it a few times (for very short pulls) and it just never gets warm at all. The housing design doesn't allow the ability to feel the actual motor like my old winch did. Again, thanks and your statement is a good, especially with this insulated motor design.. This winch get's a lot of use on the trails as I am a group leader lately and recovery vehicle, so far it's working perfectly, other than the wireless feature in remote failed. (Smittybilt warranted it for me) I highly recommend it.
Subbed, pay attention people, this is how you do a winch review, or any kind of review, excellent video, answered all a my questions, and doubts, keep it up
Thanks for that, it's good to hear something positive once in a while. The winch is still working great, I have other videos of the winch in action doing some real recovery
So right, the last review I watched didn't even show them use it...
TonyFall2fast, how has it held up? do think this will be a decent set up for a 4500 lbs 4 door tacoma?
Gotta love a two door, just got the same winch for mine. Thanks for making the video.
Here it is under a huge load, everything is still going strong. ua-cam.com/video/MXv03EximaA/v-deo.html
Kinda wish Jeep still produced Two door jeeps. I get four doors are economically more practical. But Jeeps look better two door. I see one and be like, that's a jeep.
Is the winch still doing ok for y’all? I was trying to decide between this one and the warn vr evo.
Nice work thanks for all the effort. That was real mud filled those knobys right away. Super nice work.
Shout out to all the 2doors! Great demo. It seem no one nowadays actually has demo videos of recovery gear and hard wheeling.
Looks like mosquito hell. I have the same winch on my JLUR. Love it. On my previous JKUR I had the 9500 XCR which held up fine for over 5 years without issue and used many times. People always want to give a WARNing against SB but they actually make decent products for a lot less than paying for the name of some other stuff.
another reason to have a mount that you can attach a winch to the rear of the rig. As soon as you said "This looks yucky and I don't know if the trail goes anywhere..." I was thinking...so, you are going to pull yourself a 100 feet at a time, just so you can turn around somewhere and winch yourself back out.....AND you don't know where you are going? Tell me you were once a 2ND LT.
LOLOLOLOLOL
They have this new invention its called a mud tire you might have got right through there but I know it was a video on the winch good video
I don't like mud that much to get tires for it. LOL Thanks Mark.
thanka for an awesome video on this winch,,,, i was considering the warn 9.5 cti but this one is 1000 $ less, thanks
Majer Rahim it’s still working to to this day, I normally use it at least once a month.
Looks awesome! I think I might be running a bit more of a Mud tire? Great demo!
Yes, correct, Thanks for the comment. I have since went to Trail Grapplers, the tires here are Ridge Grapplers 34x11.5-17
Excellent review. Getting it now lol.
Christopher Katz the winch is still working, and I can’t count how many times I’ve used it since this video.
Great video
Great demo. I just pulled the trigger on the xrc. Winch. Seems like you were alone. Weren't you worried about either burning the motor or your battery pooping out? Not criticizing, but that's what I would worry about getting through all that mud.
Good 👍 job
its a 10,000 winch for anyone who is watching and is curious. and to the maker of this video this video is good example of what a 98510 winch can do. but I think you should just call it a 10,000 winch and yeah include the model number too like you did, either way good vid you got my thumbs up
Thanks for the comment, You know I never noticed how the title didn't make sense until you pointed that out,. LOL, I changed it. LOL it's good to some productive comments once in a while.
Nice demo of the winch working in mud. Thank you!
It looked like you didn't have lockers engaged when running the trail. Was that just so you could show how the winch pulled or some other reason?
I don't recall if I had them on or not, I have since went to Trail Grapplers, the tires here are Ridge Grapplers 34x11.5-17
Thanks for the great demo. I've never used one, so I'm wondering were you actually using the remote while you drove simultaneously? Seems like it would be a bit tricky.
quetzalin yes, use it together. Assisting going up hill is trickier sometimes, can’t go off trail and roll where I am here. If you need more info let me know and i will try and help.
quetzalin can’t let the winch do all the work
Looks reliable. You went there alone. Nice rig.
That seemed like lots of fun, but those tires are not very "mud friendly"
Thanks for posting this great video! I have a unrelated question: The wires that run from your hood latches to what looks like a lightbar are a great idea (they remind me of the ones I saw on the old WW2 Jeep movies.) Can you please let me know what the lightbar looking thing that says "Lake County Off Roads" is and what those brackets that hold it on are?
I will make a little video for you. That light bar looking thing is a light bar, that is it's cover, some states require you have it covered so you are not prone to turn it on and blind oncoming drivers. Light bar is Rough Country PN: RC-70950 $279.99, and the brackets are PN: RC-70504 $63.00, and those cables are called "limb risers" when you go through heavy brush, they push the branches out of the way, or they will guide the branches over the top instead of the branches going along the hood, and then slapping you in the face. I will still make a quick video.
Here you go John, this should answer your questions. ua-cam.com/video/eLn8vC2weuE/v-deo.html thanks for watching, I had a great time making the videos as you can see.
Very nice review, but all i can say is if you had some meat on your tires you may not of had to use the winch
This is one of those trails where someone with 40” tires has gone through at full throttle
Loved the video it was super helpful but I was wondering was that synthetic rope or cable?
Looked like cable
it's synthetic line, the "COMP" version comes with synthetic. you will love it! Especially using snatch block and when handling it AFTER you get yourself free.
Tony Fall2Fast thanks for responding to my comment, so I know that some people say that synthetic line can wear out due to weathering, does your line show any signs of fraying or weathering
I see all the comments on the duty cycle..(so I'll be polite here LOL) I have a 88 Dodge Dakota, I weighed it 3611 lbs with me in it. I'm gonna go with the XRC 9500lb series 2 winch ( I believe its the same 6.6hp motor as the x20 you have, in a different "cheaper" body) My point is I'm just wondering how long I should be winching at a time? The truck being an ancient chrysler product runs a 1200CCA AGM style battery. I'm not shy of taking way longer than I need to, if it means the winch will last longer, just curious what people think about that.
I hear many different stories on this. It all depends on the load, each situation you use it will be different. I purposely strained mine to see how it would hold up in this video.Another problem with this winch is, the motor is isolated and you can't feel it if it's getting hot, I have never felt it even get warm and I know I have overloaded it here and there. So fast forward to today, and it seems like the winch isn't working as well as new. It seems to draw more current than it used to, and while winching makes a high and low sound most times. I did check the current draw and it's within specs, unfortunately I didn't check it while it was newer. This winch gets a lot of use, in fact I used it to get over some sand Saturday, and a couple recoveries. (have still pics and dashcam, maybe I should put it on here) Watch other videos and pick the advice that is given the most. Moral of the story, take your time with it especially under heavy load situations, Don't goose the button on and off. If you have a voltmeter in the vehicle watch for voltage drop, the motor can get damaged if the voltage goes too low. Hope this helps some, and have fun out there!
@@TDHobbies Ah I see what your saying about the temperature in the sealed unit. I do have an extra voltage gauge in the truck I could wire to the winch as well as a amperage gauge. So slow and steady wins the race! Thanks for the quick response and advice, I appreciate it!
gittyupalice96 when I talk about amps, I clamped a meter onto the cable to see the draw, a meter in the dash may not give you the info I’m talking about. Either way, if it drops voltage, your working it too much. You’ll know what I mean when you winch hard, LOL, the overall stress on the rope and frame will scare you to let off. Haha
Is this lake county california? Great video!
Northern Ohio, Southington off road park
Who out there knows how hard winching is on a battery? How long were you winching though the mud? Just wondering if it's better to have 2 battery set up? Thanks - Great video
It's hard on a battery, I have the biggest AGM battery that will fit, I think it's 1,000 CCA, and it's good for long pulls like this under lighter loads, it will pull down voltage on heavy pulls and you have to shut it down and take your time. This was a closed trail due to the mud, so I was not in anyone's way, and every pull is in this video. This mud was really soft, you can see how the axle is plowing, but it's rather soft, and the line is out a little ways too. with that being said, the winch is under less of a load with soft mud, and the farther out the line is, it has more power. You can go to Smittybilt's site and find some information on power and current draw, however actual draw on the battery is not steady. I can tell you that when I preload my line and pull about 1,000 lbs pressure it draws about 95 amps. I measured the amps with a meter, and guessed with the load. If you are pulling heavy loads, I mean like up a very steep hill, or through heavy clay because you are high center, it will pull upwards of 300 amps. When pulling very hard like that, it's kind of scary so you tend to go slow and easy naturally, but if you get into situations like that often, 2 batteries are nice to have. This is just a base answer, nothing in high detail, but I hope it helps. I used this same winch a few time between 11-29-19, and 12-1-19 in Rush Kentucky. Thanks for watching and putting up a real comment. I hope this helps answer your questions
@@TDHobbies Yes, there really isn't a video out there that i have seen explaining this. I had to learn the hard way on my RZR last winter. I just bought a winch like yours. I am a bit worried about getting out in deep snow and not only not getting out, but then killing my one battery. haha I'll be walking out then for sure. So.. If i took my time and let the truck charge up the battery then pulled more and kind of switched back and forth i would probably be ok then?
aaron paxton it works good on the cold too. Check this out. ua-cam.com/video/sceqOpmeczY/v-deo.html
More than 30 seconds on that winch and you will eventually burn the motor. Use it but let it rest for a few minutes before winching on
I hope you put some Mud tires on that thing since the video!!
HAHA, no, I try to avoid mud like that. Thanks LOL
im thinking about buying one of these is it also good for pulling people out? I have passed probably 20+ stuck cars over the past 2 weeks because of snow storms and I cant help them even though i have my rubicon
mike lang it’s still working great, an I use it mostly to pull others out of situations. You need to anchor yourself good depending on how stuck the vehicle is. It’s actually more powerful to use the winch, than it is using the engine and wheel power I think.
@@TDHobbies ok thanks for the reply. How do you anchor yourself though?
mike lang ua-cam.com/video/ExSnCH9a8Hc/v-deo.html. About 50 seconds in. We are on a downhill. Tie off your back bumper to another vehicle or a tree
mike lang here is a quick view of winching someone forward while you are behind them, using a snatch block. ua-cam.com/video/z1gKltBgA6U/v-deo.html
Just wondering if your winch is still holding up? I noticed you posted this a year ago. Have you had any trouble with the controller?
Dana44 ***** I did have to replace the controller and receiver, it was covered under warranty. Only the wireless failed. Apparently it’s not water resistant and for sure not waterproof. LOL Other than that, it’s been fine. I haven’t used it as much this year, but it pretty much does at least a couple good pulls a month. I would say I used it about 25 times this season between recovery of others and just messing around.
@@TDHobbies thanks for the update. At $250 its hard to pass up.
Dana44 ***** I have some video that I need to put up where I purposely got delayed (not stuck) and a person asked if I needed help, they they broke down and I helped them. Haha. Busy and lazy lately, but it’s still working good, and I really do use it a lot as a group leader.
@@TDHobbies post them up. If I'm not working or 4 wheeling, I'm watching videos.
Dana44 ***** sorry I didn’t record much this day, but same winch in action here. ua-cam.com/video/RZgXbgjB_Eg/v-deo.html
How fast does this winch spool when not under load!
Not sure how to answer that, but it's just a little bit faster. around the 3 min mark the jeep is practically going on it's own. It's not very fast, that's for sure. Just a little faster than under a load here. I hope that helps. So far it's working good, and I have used it quite a few times after this day.
31ft/min which is actually pretty good because of its slightly higher gear ratio
Still working good for you ?
I sold the keep just under a year ago and it was working great. I was a group leader, so the winch was used much more than normal, and I would create situations where it was needed.
So how do you like it after a year
Just lock your difs and go man....
Well sir u don't need warnings because u ran it more than 30 seconds at a time.ours won't be lasting as long as it should.!!
Where did you hear 30 seconds a time? And how much time in between those 30 seconds? Either way, this is a video demonstration so over doing it would be a good thing.
Tony Fall2Fast General rule of thumb is 50% work-time. 30 secs on, 30 secs off. Running it for long times like in this video doesn’t prove its reliability, it just causes excess wear on internal components. Essentially shortening its lifespan. Good video though thanks for the upload.
@@Grimorse Thanks for your input and being polite, you don't see that much on here anymore. If you feel I am running it longer than recommended under the current load and the winch is demonstrating no signs of fatigue, I would think this is a good demonstration on reliability. I didn't really plan on a stress test in this video (I have done a few using this winch, but no video currently). I do agree longevity may be reduced if used like this all the time as I did not measure actual loads with a meter. One thing I will say is it never even got warm! I think the housing doesn't make much contact with the motor, I was TRYING to make it get warm and it never did, at least touching the outer casing. In fact I have overloaded it a few times (for very short pulls) and it just never gets warm at all. The housing design doesn't allow the ability to feel the actual motor like my old winch did. Again, thanks and your statement is a good, especially with this insulated motor design.. This winch get's a lot of use on the trails as I am a group leader lately and recovery vehicle, so far it's working perfectly, other than the wireless feature in remote failed. (Smittybilt warranted it for me) I highly recommend it.
Uhhh... you have a winch AND an angry birds grille???! Seems a little redundant.
I went back to the stock grille, this one just didn't grow on me and I missed having the 7 slots. Agreed! Thanks
Angry eyes is a manbun for jeeps
@@RougaRouKJun i cringe whenever i see them but I like the JL grill more than the JK
This was hard to watch.
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