EVERY Subclass In D&D's 2024 Player's Handbook REVEALED!👀
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- The Character Sheet is back with more Fantasy and TTRPG News as we bring you the huge reveal of EVERY. SINGLE. SUBCLASS. in the 2024 Players Handbook from Dungeons & Dragons! That's right, we are showing you all 48 new subclasses for D&D 2024, and breaking them down class by class, to show you what old favorites are coming back, and which subclasses have been left out in the cold when it comes to the D&D 2024 Players Handbook.
So did your favorite D&D subclass make the cut? Find out right now as we break down every single new subclasses from the 2024 Player's Handbook from Dungeons & Dragons!
0:00 Intro
1:19 Barbarian
2:02 Bard
2:38 Cleric
3:22 Druid
4:07 Fighter
4:39 Monk
5:23 Paladin
6:06 Ranger
6:50 Rogue
7:30 Sorcerer
8:17 Warlock
9:04 Wizard
9:45 Missing Subclasses
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Pour one out for the entire Artificer Class.
To be fair, it was never really fully fleshed out. It just didn't work in a lot of fundamental ways
It was also the only real class they added. So again saving it for another book.
Keeping it out the PHB continues to keep it proprietary.
@@TheCharacterSheetit wasn't but the way 5e has been going they never really pushed to flesh out anything in more detail. Mystic never made it, the last UA had the pugilist that had to be shelved, and the artificer. All three rely on rules that were never given or written, and they never really intended to.
Overall these are very, very full subclasses.
@@williameichenberg4632 Nope... just keepping it out of the SRD is enough.
OK, there is a misconception that seems to be so prevalent I need to post this in a general post rather than respond to individual posts as I had started to do. Per the official WotC video interview with Jeremy Crawford and Chris Perkins, all existing 2014 subclasses still exist and can be played alongside 2024-rules characters in 2024-rules campaign. Where there are new "improved" versions (like Beastmaster ranger) they recommend the new version, but if your favorite subclass isn't in the new PH, it can still be used with only minor adjustments for new rules (for example, you might want to rework your character to use the new Background rules. Or not- they both still result in usable characters).
They do say that you probably shouldn't use the new 2024 character rules for a campaign still using the 2014 gameplay rules, as there are a few new situations the 2014 rules weren't intended to accommodate, but in that case, you'd be using your old subclasses anyway.
Ahhh… so the publishers claimed D&D 5.5 would be backwards compatible, and yet it is not. Got it.
@@TheTerrainWizard Not sure when they said that. Iirc they have said that 5e would be compatible with 5.5 but I do not remember a time where they said vice versa.
@Kimbrell they dedicated at the start of one dnd that it would be 100% compatible with 5th edition, they have also stated this is an update on the rules and not a 5.5e meaning it is compatible but not completely it also is not a new edition of dnd and still uses most the core rules with additions to those rules and slight modifications.
The phb is not overly compatible with the new phb, but the new phb is still fairly compatible with say the expanded core books (TCE, MotMV, XGE)
@@TheTerrainWizard
It is backwards compatible. Backwards compatible does not mean you can play 5e with 5.5e classes. It means you can play 5.5e with 5e classes.
When your text editor software claims to be backwards compatible, it does not say you can open Word 2016 documents in 1998 Word. It means your 2016 Word can open 1998 Word documents. smh
Just a single google search away into a Wikipedia article. You cannot get lower fruit hanging around.
What you are describing is *Forward Compatibility* of 5e which they never claimed to do when they released 5e.
But still . . . Transmutation Wizard - Gone. Hexblade Warlock - Gone. I quit....
I am SHOCKED they left out the necromancer subclass, it’s such an iconic thing in just wizard lore in general, but it might be overhauled in the future
Summons must fuck off
They seem with a few of the changes and with moving to greyhawk they are trying to.push back to the players are good guys angle they wanted in 4th.
My guess is they will come out with an evil character book similar to they did in 3.5e
Its plain ignorant to have players play necromancer unless the party is evil.
@@jurgen4466that just seems closeminded
@@jurgen4466 you should be more creative. Maybe there is a good necromancer that raises the dead to solve crimes or use his/her army of the dead to help a nation being invaded
Just so people know the classes didn’t “lose” subclasses. They very clearly stated in their video that you can still use all of the classes from the original books they just didn’t get a revamp like the ones in the 2024 book. These subclasses just replace their current predecessors. So if there’s a subclass in both “versions” you would use the one in the 2024 books if not you can totally use say the tempest domain for clerics out of the 2014 books but you would be using the rules and mechanics from the 2024 books. And they said there’s a specific section in the books on exactly how to do it.
Sure, if you want play an unbalanced subclass that is surpassed by all the other subclasses that got a buff. Take the swashbuckler. They took the charismatic rogue and genericized it by letting all rogues benefit from a high charisma. Now all rogues can attack and dance away without fear of AO's. They took two of the swashbuckler's best features and gave watered down versions to every other rogue subclass with a net result of a weaker, outdated swashbuckler. But sure. Still play that.
I like how wizards get "school of..", druids get "circle of...", paladins get "oath of..." but fighters just get "the..."
Actually I believe that’s not true for Wizards anymore. Instead of School of Evocation it’s, Evocationist. Or Enchanter. Or Illusionist. Much shorter to say.
@@EpicRandomness555 They chose to update those which had opposing forms: Divination vs Illusion, etc.
And the terms would be Invoker and Evoker.
So disappointed that Swashbuckler and Swords Bard didn't make it in.
Fellow Swashbuckler fan here. It's top tier for gameplay and RP
People needed their damned psychic knives, apparently. And psychic swords. And psychic patrons. Dungeons and Psychics, I suppose.
@@phillipmccollam7554 And yet WotC couldn't be bothered to make an actual psionicist class
I mean College of Valor is Swords but better
@@EpicRandomness555 nah you got it reversed lol
I can see the appeal both in all seriousness. I just prefer Swords.
To be fair, a lot of those that didn't make the cut, like Wildfire and Spores druid or Oath of the Watchers Paladin, were not in the 2014 PHB. They were added in Tasha's, Xanathar's etc. Hexblade also just doesn't work anymore because any warlock can take pact of the blade. It would need to be completely reworked to address any redundancies.
Yeah, only a few classes really lost out on the core, 2014 subclasses they once had
Let's face it, the original 5E Hexblade wasn't much more than an attempt to "fix" the Bladelock, the lore behind it was a pretty vague mess. With the Bladelock now fixed, I hope this creates an opening in a future book to finally create an official version of the Raven Queen patron from an old UA, it was one of my favorite Warlocks I've ever played.
Or eliminated as redundant.
Any warlock already could take pact of the blade.
I cant believe you forgot to mention storm sorcery not being involved! I remember being surprised when storm sorcery was added in baldurs gate because the subclass generally sucks and never gets any love. Then Baldur gate made it really fun. So I thought they would definitely include a revised version of it with the new book but I guess not.
I'm so bummed out that the Echo Knight and the Sun Soul didn't make the cut, those are my all time fav subclasses
Unless you're a DM - they're completely broken.
@@Geraint3000 I disagree, nearly any Subclass in 5e can be broken if you build it with the intention to be broken, how strong a character combination is purely depends on the person playing it. Since I never build my characters or NPC's to power game or with the intention of dealing the most damage possible, the Echo Knight and Sun Soul have never posed a "broken" problem for anyone that has DM'd for me or that I've DM'd for. RP and flavor over combat and power is the best way to play imo
So all classes and subclass are still viable in the new updated system, but if your subclass got an update you'd use the new one instead of the old subclass
Well, sort of. Some classes are now missing the features that the old subclasses interacted with, but honestly a little homebrew can get you through most things!
You can still use the old subclasses, feats, features if you want. But in some cases the new options are better. But still you can pick and choose whatever you want from 2014 & 2024.
@@michaelcolon4162 a bit of a caveat- they recommend only using one or the other for a particular character. You should avoid taking Beastmaster levels 1,4 and 6 from the old PH and 2, 3 and 5 from the new. I'm not sure how I'd handle mixed multiclassing, but I suspect that new-rules Beastmaster/ old-rules Artificer would work fine, as long as each class is taken from one rules-set only.
@@hqueso yes of course. You either choose 2014 or 2024 you cant go back and forth between leveling up. But I would even allow 2 gloomstalkers (one from 2014 rules and another from 2024) and i would see no problem. I personally would always use the new stuff just because. But i can see people not wanting to buy new books or learn new rules.
@@michaelcolon4162 Exactly. I agree totally. The problem I do see is that if you don't want to go forward with the 2024 rules, completely new subclasses will have to be completely homebrewed/retooled if you stay on 2014 rules.
Of course, that would also be true if they just came out with a new completely incompatible 6E. As someone who transitioned from AD&D -> 2E -> (basic Rules Cyclopedia) -> 3.5 -> 4E -> 5E, the option to not have the whole base system ripped from under me is welcome.
Thank you for listening all the subclasses and not just talking about them
it feels like there is a heavy psychic theme (soulknife, psi warrior, aberrant mind and the old one)
They said in the UA-cam video about the new PHB that they wanted to add more of the psy subclasses, so yeah you are right on that!
The Great Old One and Aberrant Mind were selected early on in the process. Originally the Fighter was going to have the new Brawler subclass and the Rogue would get the Swashbuckler. When the Brawler didn't make the cut in the surveys they had to make a new choice for the Fighter. That's when they chose to promote the Psi Warrior, and then swapped the Swashbuckler for the Soulknife to complete the psionic set. It's a shame, the updated Swashbuckler was pretty cool. I imagine it'll be one of the first to get updated in future 2024-era books.
@@pdegan2814 only one missing from the psionic subclassses is the College of Whispers Bard
Dark Sun confirmed
College of dance is something I been begging for years
RIP divine soul sorcerer, gotta be my favorite subclass
RIP Tempest Domain and Storm Sorcerer, here’s hoping a lot of our cut faves get revamps in later books
Yeah, I feel like there should have been a place for both of those, hopefully they'll get updates pretty quickly.
Still 5th edition so you can still use them.
Tempest Domain was my character in a home campaign😭 literally in tears
Well, D&D One is an upgraded 5th ed and backwards compatible, so you can use them. The fact that they are not in this book means they just don't have any updates
@@pdegan2814
2014 PHB had way too many wizards and clerics compared to other classes.
They made an effort to keep subclasses in the same amount of choices in the 2024 PHB. So probably you'll get them in other books, as long as this new 2024 does well.
Shocked the hexblade was left out considering it's one of the most popular warlock subclasses
Looks like the only ones I’d really miss so far are swarmkeeper and swashbuckler
Those and artificers for me. I have so many good characters in these 5 classes alone!
The Oathbtraker paladin not being in the PHB makes sense. It will likely be in the DMG like in 2014.
could also see it making it into a book of vile darkness with other subclasses like necromancer, death domain, and other 'evil' subclasses.
@@TheDude4515 that’s my thought. There is not a single “bad” or death-related subclass here. I’m guessing they are going to release them all in one death-themed book.
I was hoping for a plant-themed druid circle. (yes I want to play Poison Ivy, wouldn't you?)
Honestly, that is kind of a huge oversight from WotC that has sort of always existed, isn't it?
@@TheCharacterSheet yeah, which is weird when they have dryads and shambling mounds and treants that they can interact with
they had a spores druid, a stars druid, a _dream_ druid but no plant druid?
Damn, I had hopes for a thorn whip, thorns, and entangle build synergizing with these new masteries. Ah well.
@@lunatickgeowhy do they have such an aversion to flora? No plant based races. Now the most plant based build for the game is like World Tree Barbarian.
It's just so bizzare.
Circle of the Land has you covered
Wizards definitey got the short end of the stick with the subclass flavors still revolving around the schools o fmagic but only 4 being included. I still firmly believe that the subclasses should have been school specialist as one whee you would choose a school to specialize in and then 3 others.
"Warrior of Mercy" lol
haven't you heard about Thorfinn? He's not a monk tho
Yeah, calling them all "Warrior of" now isn't my favorite thing, but I'm pleased to see the Way Of Mercy get promoted to the PHB, it's a really interesting subclass. I can't wait to see how it's been tweaked for the 2024 PHB
@@pdegan2814I've just started playing one multiclassed with druid, and yea, it's pretty cool
I like the necromancer-esque feel the subclass has
Reminds me of the 'warrior of peace' line from the Owl House. Unfortunately here it's not followed up by a - "Now, eat this sucker!"
Do NOT hate on my Bladesinger!!!!!
hate hate hate
There’s some people who hates bladesinger ???? Why ? That’s one of the most fun subclass to play
I'm playing a Bladesinger in my current campaign, too! So strong, man.
@@nomi4272 I think it's because it's kind of like the best martial. Or was, HOPEFULLY.
Bladesinger should have been the swords bard. >.>
I think it's also important to note that Jeremy and Chris said that some of the subclasses while are the ones from 2014 they have gotten such an overhaul that they might as well be new
Yes, very true!
The Elements Monk fits this description, the new version is MUCH better. The new Archfey Warlock is also totally overhauled.
They did the Warlock so dirty
They should have gotten rid of the school based subclasses in favor of if the others.
I want my magic book wizard updated.
Do you mean Order of Scribes? One of the best wizard subclasses? Sounds to me like they wanted to concentrate on updating the older.weaker subclasses first.
Definitely intrigued on how the new four elements subclass will look, despite the heat for it, it is one of my favorite subclasses for monks
What about the Twilight domain Cleric?
They did the wizard dirty
It’s not fair for the wizard and cleric to have more subclasses than everyone else
Thank you for actually showing the list of subclasses in the new PB. It will help me decide if this new stuff is worth spending the money on immediately.
I must admit without the Necromancer subclass I probably will not rush and buy the book. I have a feeling they are wanting to get preachy with their own beliefs by dropping things that would not match them, instead of selling a product that will allow others to decide. Example: I will still use race instead of species to describe characters and NPCs.
More along the lines of a reshuffle to garner more $$ when they provide a PHB II supplement.
WotC gonna be milking those supplement books for all the extra subclasses that already existed
I'm surprised that they left out the artificer.
I'm not, it wasn't in the 2014 PHB.
@@Mortlupowe know why they won't. They don't want to have it in the OSR. Still sucks as there are TWO settings that HAVE them as a main class which sounds rather dumb not to include them in the base PHB - especially an alchemist which fits in EVERY setting.
Just annoyed as all the settings I play in Artificers are main stays or pretty important. Would be nice to have an updated alchemist at least
The class is heavily tied to the Eberron setting and they probably didn't want to have to get into potential copywrite issues with Keith Baker is my guess.
@@enso8379 except they reprinted it in Tasha's and added an extra subclass. Almost everything in Tasha's is going in the new phb
@@randallgpreston Except that agreement probably extended to the one publishment. Just because Keith signs a contract for one book doesn't mean he's going to do it for every subsequent release. As a business I can totally see them not wanting to pay out money for the rights to publish a class when they don't have to strictly speaking. They'll just point to the conversion table and say if you want it then import it yourself.
I know a lot of people where assuming/hoping this would be a 6th edition, but WotC has been very clear since OneD&D's announcement that the 2024 PHB was always supposed to be backwards compatible with the whole of 5e. The official description on D&DBeyond even refers to the 2024 PHB as, "the new and improved guide for *fifth edition* Dungeons & Dragons." So with that in mind, I think it's perfectly fair to view the new rules and subclasses essentially like the Optional Class Features introduced in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. And with some homebrew (which I love to do anyway), I think all subclasses new and old can be perfectly useable with 2024 PHB.
And those words from the publishers/architects/stewards of D&D are sitting upon a throne of lies.
@TheTerrainWizard The unfortunate thing is people are going to lap this up and the past transgressions of WotC are going to be ignored, and WotC is BANKING upon that very thing happening. They'll try this OGL stuff again in a few gears, they'll try all the deceptive shit they do every few years and one of these days they'll win because a majority of the player base allowed it, since WotC always "plays nice" and gives people one book that has all the stuff they wanted.
With the significant changes and combat needing to use the new rules with any of the new subclasses, this appears to be 6e.
@@steveaustin2686
Yeah, this feels more like a backwards compatible new edition.
They need to hurry and add a new version of the Hexblade!
I'm not surprised that my Cleric's Divine Domain (knowledge) got dropped. But I am a weee bit sad about it. Hopefully my DM and I can homebrew something.
Cutting Hexblade is gonna stir the waters
It’s not like it won’t be coming back. It’ll just be in a different sourcebook.
watch them give armor and cha to attacks in base warlock
In UA 7 they baked in the Hexblade feature allowing for weapon attacks using Charisma into the Pact of the Blade. If that sticks, nobody will bat an eye at losing Hexblade.
Hexblade is built into the class now.
1 - warlocks can have a hexblade-esque feature baked in
2 - nothing was cut, you can use everything released for 5th edition with these new rules
thx for the news now i know what i need to do
Learned DnD with 3.5 about 20 years ago. First prestige class I played was Arcane Archer! It feels iconic to me but also I've always felt like, for 5e specifically, it would be better as a Ranger subclass.
Crazy how there are no necrotic/undead themed subclasses for full casters. Hope we get a few in the near future.
Thats a good point, they really did back off on all the undead stuff
They just didn't update them. The old ones are still playable in the new rules. But I guess new players won't know about those if all they have is PH24, so it still seems a tad odd to have no undead representation.
No Conjurers either.
They're probably trying to reign in the action economy.
Why is that crazy?
A necromancer hardly fit in most groups being in most cases evil.
@@jurgen4466Nah reusing bodies is not that evil, it could even be considered good, its very nature friendly 😂 certainly killing beasts of the forest is way more evil and characters do that all the time
I'm honestly surprised they brought forward 4 spell schhol wizard classes instead of others like war, bladesinger and chronurgy
You can still play both of them
@@jurgen4466
Yeah, but the school wizards should be more streamlined. They already feel samey at early levels
Me, who has circle of Spores, Rune Knight, and Knowledge Cleric characters I can no longer use….
So the hexblade idea totally moved to merged with pact of the blade?
So…”backwards compatible” does that mean the subclasses NOT in the ‘24 book remain choices in DnDBeyond, or are they gonna be gone? Will I be able to select 2014 rules and not 2024 rules, or do all the subclasses in the ‘24 rules auto update?
"The 2024 classes have to be used with the 2024 rulesets"
1st rule of DnD: The DM decides what the rules are. If you want to use one of these in a 2014 ruleset, you can. It will need some minor tweaks (looking at you, weapon properties and masteries), but it should be fine.
I'm not too sad about seeing certain subclasses get cut since I'm sure they'll get reintroduced in future books. Although if the idea was to have the subclasses contrast one another it's odd that they included Shadow Monk but not Sun Soul. Maybe they're still trying to figure out how to make it good
They aren't cut. They just aren't reprinting them in the new books. Nothing will stop you from playing a tempest cleric or an enchantment wizard
@@dealbreakerc…and the publisher has stopped publishing books. 🤷🏻♂️
*angry tempest noises*
You can probably still use it just move the Domain to 3rd
@@andyenglish4303 i. what? 3rd?
@@Cpt.Str4ng3nothing stopping you from using 2014 classes. 5.5 is backward compatible.
The other books in 5e are STILL USABLE. You still can use all of them as most of them were already set to be used. Only the things that are covered are changed. So the Aasimar in the 2024 5e book now overrides the ones in the 2014 DMG and Mordinkainen’s versions. For subclasses that had not been updated, only change is subclass selection just moved to 3rd level.
Also, Soul Knife is an infiltration/skills sub class. And the aberrant mind is like to the Illithids so you are linked to the far realm.
Fingers crossed for Valor Bard being usable compared to the "old" Swords Bard.
You can still play sword bard
@jurgen4466 i know, buy i am tired of playing Swords Bards. I want a viable 2nd option for a gish type of build. Valor Bard has the potential for that with STR builds using Two-Handed weapons or for a Sword and Board style of fighter. But the features are laking on it outside Martial Weapons, Medium Armor and Shields at 3, and Extra Attack at 6. It doesn't help Tasha's returned ALL Bards to have the "special" feature for Inspiration that was unique to Valor Bards.
Listen I know that tge circle of dreams fans are a very small group of people but i still feel like having a healing based Druid in there would’ve made sense
Hooray, I can’t wait for them to resell these sub classes with minimal changes in full price books they drip feed us over the next decade!!!!
what a great F****** video. perfectly concise and clear with those chapter markers. i will be saving this and showing SO MANY players as they make characters
Sad shadow sorcerer didn’t get an update. I’ve been wanting that one to be fixed since Tasha’s tried to fix Ranger.
Excited to see if they do more with Rangers and Monks now
I wonder if they’ll make a follow-up with the rest of the staple subclasses. No storm stuff? Half of the wizard is outdated? Got to be some room for more work.
Seems strange to leave the spores druid behind. I would've taken that over the new sea druid. Something to took forward to, I guess
nobody will prevent me from using my thunder domain cleric
College of Dance = A Better Monk than the actual Monk class. I’m sooooooo glad they’re keeping that /s
Who knows, maybe they made changes to it, but last time it wasn’t even Dex based, it was all Charisma based. Their Unarmored Defense was 10+Dex+Cha. Their unarmed strikes started off like the Monk’s (with a d6) but instead of Dex, you could use your Charisma, their unarmed strikes scaled with their Bardic Inspiration die, which scaled the exact same way as the Monk’s Martial Arts die, so both would cap out at d12s. They got a MUCH better version of Evasion a level earlier. The Dance Bard’s version of Evasion allowed them to give any ally within 5 ft of the Bard the benefits of Evasion as well, plus they got it at level 6 as opposed to Level 7 like the Monk. All of this on top of the fact that they can still cast their Bard spells, and if the Bard’s capstone is still the same, then they can also essentially twin cast Power Word: Kill or Power Word: Heal
Edit: Hopefully Warrior of the Four Elements isn’t complete dogshit like it was last time. Last time they just took Way of the Ascendant Dragon and Way of the Astral Self and mashed them together and said “eh, good enough.”
Would have been cool to see a modern interpretation of the swashbuckler. Hopefully we see some.of these cut subclasses updated in a later book
What do you think is going to happen to 5e tools with this new version? Like are they just not gonna do anything about it, add the new rules to the old ones or create an entirely new page?
They did say 5e characters are forward compatible when it comes to phb 2024 rulings so I am happy about that. Cause I love my clerics
Yeah, Bladesinger is a problematic child here. It's very strong, makes you feel as a superhero when playing it, but it's a problem for the DM to balance any encounter with one unteachable full-caster. Ad Silvery Barbs and you can't do anything to them without depleting their spellslots, and before that happens every other character is already spent.
Bladesinger is fine considering the power level of some other subclasses. It is good but not good to a point where it trivializes encounters like chronurgy wizard.
I was really hoping for the Wizard to break away from "Specialize in a specific school of magic" for at least one PHB subclass. I want my generalist wizard, damnit!
Great they`re adjusting some stuff here. As there is still most of the base existing I`m sure people that already have the physical books or online versions im sure you only have to pay like 10-15 bucks to get access to this updated version right? Right?!?!??!?!?!?
Just in time for no more Ala Carte purchases on D&D Beyond too. Womp Womp
Ive always wanted a bard subclass focused on dance!
The only exclusion that I’m actually sad about is the Hexblade, I loved playing that subclass
Gosh they traded out a necroamctic theme for the psionic theme. I really wanted to see what they were gonna do with Necromancy Wizard specifically after they mentioned it previously. Guess we'll have to pay more money for them to rerelease it
Is it me or is there a Baldur’s Gate 3 theme going on here?
All the subclasses are in BG3 with an extra for good measure.
Probably because BG3 was likely privy to the play tests for this and therefore used “5.5e” stuff
With the changes to the Warlock class, especially Pact of the Blade (assuming most of the UA changes made it) Hexblade is almost redundant and unnecessary.
Hexblade's Curse is missing and ... ALL it's other features that come with higher levels. Just ???
They are gonna do a dark theme add on and an addon specifically for the sword based subclasses for casters arent they, swashbuckler probably would be in it too
Well they better bring back hexblade 😬
I still think they should split demon and devil into 2 unique pacts cuz they’re so different
Keeping Trickery and taking Tempest away… already hate this so much.
Also no rune knight… they are going insane! Hopefully they will add both soon…
No swashbuckler! What are they thinking? So many good flavour subclasses out!
No Hexblade… I’m not gonna be playing this apparently…
Yeah, we suspect those will be back in some form in a new release down the road, but Tempest and Rune Knight were 2 of our favorites as well!
You can still play them, just move all Domain features from early levels to 3
2024 is meant to be used alongside 2014, so no class lost any subclasses at all, there just aren't updated versions of them printed in this book.
Im so excited to have to re buy all of those [as yet unreleased] books just to be able to use favored subclasses again!
Keep pushing that profit margin, Wizards! 😃👍
Nope- per WotC's own video about the new books, all the existing 2014 versions are viable and can be played alongside 2024-rules characters in a 2024-rules campaign. (edited as I got pissy and that was totally uncalled for).
@@hqueso Than you missed the part in the video where he said old subclasses aren't compatible with new class rules. You can play with them, yes; but only if you use the old class rulings. That isn't exactly "compatible."
Also, as a 25+ year consumer of WotC's products I am fully validated, using a platform that is *free to the public*, to critique these products (which I actively purchase) as I see fit.
Thanks for your input tho. 👍
Mentioning psionic subclasses sounded like an affront 😂
Wow… I’m surprised at some of the subclasses that didn’t make the cut for 2024. Not sure I’m thrilled about that.
Maybe the new DMG will have guidelines for creating/modifying classes and subclasses.
Yeah, we will actually dive into just how backwards compatible everything is in our video tomorrow, and clear up some misconceptions!
Aww, the wildfire druid and the spore druid were so cool!! I wonder why they didn’t make the cut…
Wonder why they removed necromancy. 2 weak?
Yeah, it was kind of pointless in 5e. But we imagine it will come back strongers somewhere down the line
They said they removed it because it was one of the least used subclasses in the game.
Keep in mind.... Not removed. Just not reworked for release in the first book
@@JKSSubstandard exactly you can still play a necromancer with the new or reworked subclasses in the PHB 2024.
They said in a previous video that when they were choosing the four subclasses for each class, they wanted to come up with a set that would hit four different corners of the class' theme. My guess is with the Wizard they went offense/defense(Evoker/Abjurer), and truth/lies(Diviner/Illusionist).
REALLY hope they don't ruin my gloom stalker, and I was hoping for an update to the inquisitive
I really like that they put in soulknife but at the same time I really hate that they cut hexblade and echo knight
Hipe eldeitch knight has a new source for their powe just for the roleplay aspect
I don’t think the statement at the end of the video is true. They specifically said in the interview that DDB posted on UA-cam that your 2014 characters can be properly handled by the 2024 rule book but the 2024 characters cannot be handled by the 2014 rule book. You should be able to play your old subclasses in a new rule book game.
5E Paladin to prevent the 50+% smite damage reduction and bonus action murder with multiclassing into 5.5E Warrior/Warlock will be a thing!
So far the book seems like theyre reselling us alot of the same stuff. If we have to pay for remastered subclasses because the old ones that didnt make the cut arnt compatible with the new book then hopefully they come with many more new options.
I’m very surprised they did. Clockwork Sorcerer instead of Storm. Especially after taking out Tempest Clerics.
Why would include guns in the PHb but not Artificers?
Yeah no, you can definitely use older subclasses with the 2024 ruleset. You'll need to tweak a few things in creation but but as far as abilities and usability, they are perfectly valid.
very surprised at the deep cuts in a few classes.
im going to miss the tempest cleric. one of my faves
So they cut a good number of the subclasses?
So happy abberent mind is in it
This video did not even mention Horizon Walker being excluded. The ultimate exclusion.
So this isn't a new edition like a 6e, it's more of a redux to get people to buy more books right?
RIP Swashbuckler...
day one of release someone is going to remake new classes for the new system. and im here for it.
Give me back my Drakewarden dammit
I wonder how I could use an astral self monk in 6e
I’d say about half of the subclasses I’ve played with were cut from the new book. Eh, you win some, lose some. Kind of bummed about the exclusion of the Swashbuckler, though. 🙁
so you can still use it as far as i know is basically if it wasn't given a new ruling you use the old one.
I am curious to see what comes from this, but more and more the other party TTRPGs are appealing more and more than D&D
They should never get rid of subclasses because there are many different paths that a character can follow. Just rework the old to function with the new😊
They didn’t.
You can still use the old ones.
Man, hope Astral Self Monk gets a 2024 version. Would love to see a new version of that.
Worried about Zealot Barb. I remember a UA had a reworked Rage Beyond Death and it was meh imo. Didn't like the mechanics and didn't like the flavor. I get it needed to chage since Rage being 10 minutes now means you can be immortal for 10 minutes if the feature stayed like the og version. But still. Who thought getting Flight and turning into a ghost was the flavor people look for when picking Zealot Barb?
So the classes aren't backwards compatible with old subclasses. Good to know, original 5e has way more choice in subclasses
Glad to see they aren't keeping their promise I'd have worried if they had
It has more choice now. But in 2014, some classes only had 2 subclasses for 41 total. Now they all have four for 48 total. I believe it's an improvement.
You have it backwards, 2014 classes are backwards compatible with all the subclasses.
Didn’t the stewards of D&D, I mean architects, claim D&D 5.5 would be backwards compatible?! Oh wait, never mind.
@@TheTerrainWizard I always understood it would mean that you would be able to play a 2014 subclass in One D&D. But of course, an old subclass would be played with the old class rules, especially if the class has changed a lot. But you can play a Bladesinger wizard in a One D&D adventure. You just have to use the 2014 rules for the wizard.