Catcher Steals Outside Pitches - Adley Rutschman - Best Framing Catchers
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2019
- The Best Framing Catchers in the MLB and below know how to get the outside pitch called a strike. Here we see Adley Rutschman at the 2018 College World Series stealing outside pitches from the Arkansas hitters by using this catcher framing technique.
Learn the secrets that the top catchers know about stealing pitches. How to properly frame or receive pitches as an elite catcher.
What youth baseball catchers can learn from the best in the business. Do those things correctly that nobody else will see and you can covertly alter the game in your favor. - Спорт
I called it a ball but it was much further outside than I thought it was. Nice vid as well
I called it a ball as well. The reason, for me at least, is because I like to look at the far front corner of the plate before the ball is pitched then draw a line, in my head, up from there to give me a point of reference. Also, if you looks at the perspective of the video, it's a kind of fish eye view that distorts everything except what is right in front of the camera. That is why it was a lot further outside than it appeared.
Same
I'm in the same boat you are. Thought it was a ball but further outside than originally anticipated.
Same
Same here
Brilliant. Screened by the catchers head depending on how he sets up. Love learning these things. Thanks
I called it a ball but it was a lot less close than I thought, I have a new found respect for umps. Edit: thx for the like everyone I hope mjh sees this comment I love his videos
Marek Simmons. Yeah Same now I respect umps more
Tru
Same!!!
As a coach, i always tell my guys “hey, thats a strike tonight. Better adjust”
Sounds like you are a VERY GOOD coach. The kids are lucky!
One of the best things I learned coaching. Don’t go along with the kids complaining about balls and strikes. Tell them exactly what you said. “With today’s ump those are strikes” “....our pitchers get to benefit as well”
In addition to the limited body movement, beating the ball to the spot will illustrate to the umpire that a catcher is “receiving” a pitch rather than “framing” a pitch. Slowing the game down and showing less effort in receiving will get you more borderline strikes. Being strong and quick back there makes this so much easier!
As a long time player, coach, and umpire I practiced and teach catchers to "stick" the ball if it's close enough that you might get a call. The catcher you used in this done this technique very very well and used his body to kind of shield the umps vision. However as an umpire any time a catcher tried to "frame" a pitch and pull it into the zone with even the slightest movement from where they caught it a ball is called almost immediately. I taught my daughter this and her catching coach did as well and she gets several strike calls on pitches that were balls. She does this very well and like was described if it's a ball she just catches it and doesn't try to make it look like a strike but the closer one's she gets routinely because of her technique and because she is cool with the umpires as they don't get hit but rarely when she is behind the dish. Good attitudes and good mechanics can get you a lot of good calls when you need them.
Well said.
I would call it a strike
It looks like a strike because the catcher is a very good framer
They call it pulling pitches at the higher levels. But yes this catcher "frames" pitches very well
@@Mr13koar13 It is not called pulling. I played into college and also played a year professionally as a catcher. You are to never move the ball by any kind of movement, the catcher is to receive and stick the pitch. I now umpire and umpire high-level baseball, and have been incited to SEC, ACC camps to get hired. These pitches are already known before he even received it. Any good umpire also doesn't stay in slot fully. You move a little So you don't blow out our outside corner.
Eli if he would do it more of a pull rather than a yank he would be a much better framer
Eli Games your right
Eli Games that’s the point of the vid
Hey I play for west Michigan clubhouse and I love your videos I also catch
I love playing u guys. I play for Grand Rapids flames
For the first time ever, had a catcher ask me if my zone was one or two balls off the plate. My reply was, "I've never been asked that before. I'll say this; you'll find out when the game starts." So, when he came out for the 2nd inning, I asked, "Did that answer your question?" He smiled and said it did. That kid is going to be a great catcher.
Ball, looked off the plate to me
Your not looking at the plate your looking at the ball and where it hit the catchers glove
RI5KY PLAYZ do you even know what baseball is?
Same and I was looking at both
Same. I saw the ball travel just off the plate and when the cather caught the ball I saw it of the plate a bit. Which is why me as a catcher, asks why he called a certain pitch a ball and not a strike and most of the time it's due to POV, and at the end of the day it's his call.
Strike? That catcher did his homework:)
Slight body shift when receiving a borderline pitch can be huge.
Agreed.. when he talks about "closing your stance off to the ump" you better do that pre-pitch, because turning and receiving one outside is a dead giveaway that it's a ball.. staying square and having zero shoulder turn as you stick it out front just off the corner will give you the best shot at getting the strike call
Excellent video especially with tournament time approaching for youth baseball umpires and catchers. Don't oversell the framing catchers - give the ump a chance to track the pitch to the glove. Don't hold the ball there as that will tick off the ump and you'll never get anything close on the outside half the rest of the game. Umpires - one of my mentors said it best - TRACK! TRACK! TRACK! It ain't nothin till you call it.
As a former minor league player (JUCO All-American Outfielder), I can tell you this for sure; Orioles' Adley Rutschman is the best pitch "framer" I have ever seen
This works like a charm, I’m a LHP in high school and we used this our last game and I had 5 strikeouts
You have high school level umpires which anyone can be. I am not taking away from your abilities, but then the umpire was absolute trash.
i have been taught this i exactly same when to frame when i was 11, so i must,ve had a very good coach
Yes and no. This isn't really high-level catching. When I got into college ball and was working out on the side with pro guys when I had a chance, they never received like this. I have also picked many brains of pro guys, and they hate it if not more than MLB umpires. Young umpires who have no idea how it looks will call that all day long. Vets who are at the top of their game, won't. Slot kills you on so many locations for calls, hence why I am sometimes over a step, yes in the area to get lit up, but I know I will get the right call.
In the umpire cam it looked like a perfect strike
nope
Really
Looked clearly off the plate to me. I said ball.
Ricardo Sucre looked a little off the plate
As an umpire I do feel it important to mention that framing can go both ways. My partners and I have discussed that we've been duped by good framing before, but we note that if the catcher frames too much it becomes easier to call it a ball. This is because by framing the pitch the catcher is admitting that he/she thinks it's a ball, so there is a good chance it really is a ball. This tends to happen when a catcher tries to frame every pitch, especially those inside ones you mentioned earlier that we already know are a ball (working the slot). Over doing it tends to work against you, picking your battles tends to favor you. We don't actively think that you're framing pitches if you only do it a few times, you do it every time and we know what's up better than some catchers seem to think, as if we didn't do it ourselves when we played.
When a catcher acts like he thinks I made a bad call on a ball he pulled, I'll say, "Nice try kid, but you didn't think that was a strike either. That's why you pulled it into the strike zone." I don't see that done wrong at the D1 college level too much though.
I have umpired for over 40 years. The next time I pay any attention to how the catcher receives a pitch will be the first time. The ball is beyond the strike zone when the catcher receives it, and is therefore irrelevant to whether a pitch is a ball or a strike. I made this a point of emphasis when I used to teach new umpires.
That framing pitches is still 'a thing' is a great argument for getting rid of humans behind the plate.
ball its close but its outside and the catcher moves his glove slightly closer to the plate indicating it was closer to the outside edge of the plate and thus a ball.
Oh man i wish my Little League Coach was alive today. When i played in the late 1960s he had similar instructions to our catchers.
Wow nice video
its looks exactly like a strike since there was a good frame
FaZe __Ko I miss the old cav
ball. as a 13u catcher, i’m trying to adjust to guys throwing in the 70’s. could you Make a video for catchers on to adjust on catching higher velocity pitches?? Also great video, helped me a lot
Good idea! #1, start working out to add strength. 2nd, make sure you have an intermediate level catcher's glove. One designed to catch 65 - 80 mph pitches. (The A2000 Wilson glove is designed for 80+mph and is okay if really broken in, but you can get by with a less expensive glove.) 3rd, make sure you break in the glove correctly. You should have a pocket where the ball always ends up no matter where you catch it. 4th. Practice. If you need to, catch a pitching machine throwing harder than you catch in game. I'll see about making a video. IT would be a good one to do.
Ball ive played catcher my whole youth and babe ruth years and as a catcher I give him props on framing it knowing its a ball but if he frames it in the slightest he will get the call
Pitch is decided as it is crossing the plate, not where the catcher catches it. You can almost never stick a ball and literally catch it and throw it back, won't change the blue's call. Take it from a college catcher, who also has played a year professionally and now umpires and is being scouted for MLB camp.c
I called it a ball! The manager argued balls and strikes with me and I ejected him!
Nice vid I’m playing b-ball right now I’m highschool
NaDe Eclipse lmao 😂
First was left vs left
Greg Maddux made an entire career off that pitch. A few inches off the plate but called a strike.
That catcher was the first pick in the first round of the MLB Draft - for a good reason...
Cause he can hit well and play the game well, in addition to being a great catcher!
Ball, I got it right... but I had a good guess what you'd be showing us. Great video, you got yourself a new subscriber!
ball his glove looks off the plate
p.s I'm a 12u catcher and all this helps
That strike looks perfect from that angle. I'll give kids that outside pitch if their catcher can do that.
As a catcher I believe one of my strong suits is receiving. I am 13 and have worked on it a lot. And even with that this still helped.
Team Kraken , there is a lot of good advice on this video. And good mechanics. But take this advice from an old man, player, and umpire. When FRAMING a pitch you don't bring your glove into the plate, that lets me know if was outside, catch the ball and turn your wrist upwards or towards the plate!! I've been looking for this mechanic in videos but can't find it, maybe it's a lost art , don't even see any pro's use it but trust me it works. Good luck and take care of those knees!!
It was really close but I said ball just because of the location of we’re the ball was recieved by the catcher
ball. Its just guessing based on perspective, its hard to make those calls and be right as an ump, i know from experience,.
ok. 20+ yrs. ump experience at multiple levels (travel ball through ncaa divII). when i am behind the plate, i tell the catcher (for each team) during warm-ups: if you frame the pitch and freeze your mitt, you will get more calls from me. (i used to call it the "j. geils band" technique--get it, "freeze-frame"?--but nobody knows who they are anymore...) any mitt that moves is a ball, 'cause if you didn't think it was a strike where it was then you are most certainly not getting the call from me. i have said this mantra for YEARS, and it is true: most catchers cost their pitchers more strikes than the pitcher does. as is said in the video, good framing is rare to find below the college level, and it's a damn shame 'cause it's SO SIMPLE to do (where is the coaching these days?). just keep your body still and catch the pitch with confidence IN FRONT OF YOU. if you get the strike call, GREAT. if you don't get the strike call, that's OK. MOVE ON. it is SO MUCH FUN to umpire behind a good, confident catcher. I have told a few catchers over the years that i'd give them half my game fee if i was allowed to. the catcher featured in the video (#36) demonstrates many of these good qualities. it even appears that he realizes the calls he doesn't get he probably didn't deserve, and he doesn't pout about it. throw it back, next pitch
a few comments on the video content:
thanks for defining "the slot" early on. i'm still amazed at how many high school coaches don't understand why good, experienced umpires set up where we do. and yes, we CAN call the outside corner from the slot. it's called the "greg walls" method. ask him. the man is a GENIUS, and the BEST umpire mentor EVER. (the method also includes how to always get high/low strike zone calls right. as i said, he's a GENIUS...) so mr. weinstein, i disagree totally with you about the outside call. as strange as it may sound, just because you may not have 100% line-of-sight to the outside of the plate, you most certainly have a "point-of-reference" in greg's method; no "guessing" involved. it has worked for me for my entire career, and i can't tell you how many catchers (and batters for that matter) have complimented me on my outside call coverage. (thanks again, greg.) the primary advantage of greg's method is that it forces the umpire to be consistent in his strike zone, and that's all anybody ever asks or needs.
the two pitches called strikes in the 2:44 - 3:00 time range. i would really like to have seen those from overhead (like at 2:32). overhead camera angle is always the definitive angle for strike v. off-the-plate. without the overhead angle, we are left to guess... it also appears to me that the pitches called "balls" involved more catcher's mitt movement compared to the "strike" calls.
the real-time pitch at 6:30. greg's method had me seeing that pitch CLEARLY crossing the inside line of the left-hander's batter's box. (CHALK!! BALL!!). and thanks for the overhead angle to confirm.
as for the batter who swings and strikes out at 9:10. i have NEVER understood the theory that a call on a previous pitch influences what a batter does on a subsequent pitch. (the pitch he swings at for strike three is clearly higher and more outside than the pitch called a strike.) i think that school of thought is making excuses for a lack of discipline at the plate. it sounds good as an announcer, but the good hitters know better. (again, where is the coaching...)
all in all, a good video. it's as much a good training video for us umps as for the catchers... and coaches... 8
How do we find more information on this? Do you have any links?
@@russellbrooker2122 when you say "on this"--to what does your "this" refer?
@@cloudwatcher724 on greg's method. Looking for some home work, for easier time at the plate.
@@russellbrooker2122 unfortunately, it has been more than twenty years since i have had the advantage of greg's training, so i don't have any recent personal contact with him. however, i would refer you to the following websites: www.unitedumpires.org/meet-the-team/instructors/greg-walls/ and odua.org/
i know that greg is really REALLY big on in-person instruction, so i don't know if he has any technological options (videos, on-line, etc.) my guess is "no", but i wish you all the best in your research. i would not even begin to do an injustice to his instrucitonal methods by trying to shrink it into this particular forum. good luck.
called it a ball also when the catcher brings that ball back it is a tip off the catcher thought it was a ball too
The catcher has the best view of the strike zone of anyone on the field. I’ve always thought that if they felt the need to move their glove after receiving the pitch that they thought it was a ball.
For those outside pitches, the ball has to catch part of the plate (from the perspective of the umpire) for it to be a strike. Looking across the strike zone from the perspective of the ump set up in the slot, of an outside pitch doesn’t catch the plate, it’s further outside than you would normally think
I understand that theory, but as a catcher, I was taught to frame anything close. So if there is a pitch that is a strike all the way but its towards the outside of the plate, not down the middle, I would frame it.
As an umpire, I'm always very aware of who my catchers are, and when they are batting. Some umpires will protect a good catcher who's been protecting him. Close calls on called third strikes can be called a bit different if you got a guy who's been a stud back there all game.
You may have something there. Not sure that is the case at the CWS or in MLB games, but I do think some youth umpires will give the catcher more benefit of the doubt when he is up to bat especially if he's good behind the plate.
ball
edit: sweet I’m right!
ball I thought it was like 3 inches of the plate but it was actually really close. like 1 or 2 off
I saw ball it was right on the white line but it was a pretty good frame job especially for a high school ump or a shitty ump in general.
I love baseball
That catcher went first overall in the draft
And made his debut in 2022
As an umpire, and knowing the kids in this area, I'd have called that a strike. I've learned that I've had to open up the strike zone to get even high school seniors to swing.... typically line to line. If it's "touching' white, it's a strike. Otherwise, it looks like that vid you did when you had to fight with the ump about being to tight, and we'd be out there all friggen nite! (and it's happened on more than one occasion).
I had a ball, but if I was focusing more on up or down then it wouldn't have been as easy to see. I genuinely couldn't have told you the height of that pitch. Seems like you could track one or the other at a time.
The 6:33 pitch I called a ball it looked like it missed the plate and was in between the plate and the batters box line (I havent heard the actual result yet btw)
outside, ball. framed well.
I called it ball, but also I’m an umpire for youth/junior baseball so maybe gives me a bit of an advantage
Is it weird that i felt like “are you in good hand” should’ve been said right at the end of the video
Ball
Edit: Holy crap that was really close though at the angle it looked like it crossed the plate
I got it right, ball
Cudos also goes to the catcher for just tossing back the close ones that were balls right away with the umps clear view... this will also play into the ump calling in his favor when he's framing that outside pitched with blocked view as "he's been honest all game with me"
Got it
I honestly thought that looked like a strike.
The camera lens was probably a wider angle lens than I assumed.
No wonder you can’t find video footage of this in LL.
The damn thing is so complicated, it would take a somewhat more mature mind to even just understand it, not to mention lots & lots of practice so the necessary motion comes out without thinking when under pressure in games.
Yay got it right it was a ball I am a catcher my self though
Strike because Adley Rutchman is a great catcher
ball for sure
From that view
Strike
i was at both of these games and it was so sad at the end of the game
This guy is so underrated
Btw I got ball
the cbest teacher ever
Ball because the catcher moves the ball slightly to make it look either strike or ball, but I saw the ball outside by about an inch or two.
ARKANSAS MY BOYS
Ethan Bowen I live in Arkansas
Same
Steven Pham same
Ethan Bowen do you play baseball because I play for a high school in ARKANSAS
Same
Ball
I'd say a ball based on where it is when it gets to the front edge of the plate
I bet this kid will be good one day. Maybe 2023 Silver Slugger and All-MLB Team🤷♂️
He’s in the MLB now 😂
I said ball because I'm a catcher and I know this trick. I always tell my pitcher on the first pitch of the game to wait until I'm looking at him to deliver. I look away when he comes set to see if the umpire is in the slot or directly behind me. If he's in the slot, I steal outside pitches all day.
Strike is what I said first then the next angle I just felt stupid because it was clearly a ball 😂
Catcher and umpire: you can set your batter side leg more extended and lean then while recieving the pitch get more balanced without changing glove it is very hard to notice as the umpire is looking at the ball and glove so the glove doesn't move but the pitch looks like it came more over the plate than it did.
I said strike..it looked like it caught part of the front of the plate. Soooo Tom Glavin had the best catchers lolol
It’s a strike because if you refer the the edge of the plate, you are basically painting the black. As a catcher that is painting the black.
I said ball, and I'm typing before watching the rest of the video. It looks off the plate, but if you think about how far the catcher moved his glove to frame it into the strike zone, it has to be off the plate.
Strike is what I thought of
Ball outside?
At the highest levels I umpire that's a ball, lower levels and age a strike all day.
On an outside pitch, I always judge by the amount of daylight between the ball and the outside edge of the plate (on a fast ball), or the outside edge of your zone that day (1 ball width, 2 ball widths, etc.) I like to think that framing, receiving, pulling has no effect on me, but very borderline pitches, perhaps.
At 4:21 he rings up the catcher on a 0-2 borderline pitch, perhaps was a strike, but as an ump, I have somewhat of a tighter zone for the catchers, you have to, ya sure I may call a borderline strike on him, but I'm only ringing him up on a no doubt strike, anything borderline will be a ball
Yeeeeeeeeet!
It was a ball. However the strike was called because the catcher framed the pitch (moved the ball back into the strike zone).
Ball?
Ball 1
it looks like a ball
edit: I KNEW IT!!!
I called ball but it was way further outside than I saw it from the ump cam
Ball looked barely outside. Yay I got it!
Mannnn ohhh mannn I cant wait for the Orioles to take him number 1 this year his defense is top notch but his bat is insane
Forgot to mention he’s also a switch hitter
I always wonder how they can see that pitch on the corner when they're in the "slot."
This just makes me sad as an Arkansas fan because I have to remember the loss.
Sorry! How is the team doing this year?
The call is ball
I called ball, but I didn’t honestly think it was almost over the line in the opposite box.
Strike, it was in the river
Truetuber that’s not a college or pro strike zone tho. It’s gotta be over the plate, sometimes in lower leagues you’ll get that call
That was a good one bro. "are"
it looks like a ball because you can see his glove move into the strike zone clearly
Rowan Goss Johnson yes that’s the point the catcher is framing the ball but...technically it’s suppose to be where there ball comes across the plate not where it is when it makes contact with the glove. The umpire is in the slot and does no have a good angle to judge a ball that is that close to the plate
6:35 outside ball
Ball it looked slightly of the plate
I was honest and picked ball
"closing your stance off to the ump" is often a bad technique, as it shows the ump that you're having to "turn" a bit to reach further outside than the strike zone.. a catcher should always work to stay as square as he can, or at least minimize upper body movement/shoulder-turn when receiving the pitch.. very good point made early in the video though about not "sticking" or framing pitches that are obvious balls.. by just catching and throwing back balls, and only sticking strikes, you can sort of "train" the umpire to call strikes when you stick it, which will help as well... Receiving out front as far as possible helps "center" the ball a bit as well.. but don't sacrifice shoulder turn for reaching further out.. it's an art, but an easy one to master if you focus on it and work hard on framing, sticking, and umpire management
I have to agree. This video was based off of one technique described in the book quoted in the video. But I think you are right that most of the time you want to stay open and square to the ball and give a good view. Recently an older umpire at a game was getting a lot of complaints from one team. Eventually I sat behind the fence and it was obvious after ONE inning that one team's catcher was doing what you mention and getting outside calls. The other was reaching across his body and was closed to the umpire. After seeing this I talked to the catcher about his technique and problem solved...they got those outside pitches too.
Thanks for the comment.
That a ball