Tyler closes lid on trash. Walks away . Camera cuts. Runs back to trash can and scrambles to get his amp out. "Whew there is no way I am giving this up."
He didn't need to run back to the bin, the real Tyler was already in the bin cradling the amp whilst crying tears of joy and telling it that Daddy's never going to leave.
Well, if you notice, he didn't throw it in there. He gently placed it in the bin. Sure, plugins are great, but nothing will ever beat turning your amp up through a nice cab and sharing with the neighborhood. 😊
Guy takes girls home, girls asks "hey so you play guitar show me?" Ok I just have to turn my computer on and connect my interface system and load up a daw and setup a plug in, girl leave guy for new guy with gutar amp
Since I’m an audio engineer, I’ve embraced all the modeling plugins and capture technologies for years now. They’re great for recording and less hassle. But, admittedly, when I want to play at home, I hate loading up the computer, DAW, etc, just to play or noodle around - especially when I can just click one switch and my amp is on.
At home most people's computers are always on anyways, and (at least with Neural DSP) they make standalone versions of their plugins so you don't need to load up an entire DAW just to play. For me I can grab my headphones, guitar, and cable all from sitting in my computer chair and it's quicker for me to use a plugin than having to walk across the room to turn on an amp. Now, the time difference is literally like 5 seconds so it really doesn't matter at all to me lol, I just plug in whichever I'm feeling at that moment. Right now I use plugins more often, but once I get my 5150 Stealth I'm sure I'll be playing through that more
@@ogfdnbvjkfdn trust me, I get it, I’ve used NAM and Tonex for a long time now, but I don’t like to wear headphones when I play, and my amp and computer are just as close. My guitar is always plugged into the amp, so for me personally, that’s the fast version. But that doesn’t take away from what you do. I did that for years too. I also just find playing through an amp more enjoyable and more inspiring (personally). When I used Tonex and NAM every day for a long time, I forgot the joy of just popping on an amp to play out loud. Doesn’t mean either is better or worse, because that’s a case by case for each person.
I like to play guitar to relax, and as somebody who works at the office, with smartphones and computers and screens all day, it is a relief to do something without it. Its a relief for me to use an "old school"-ish amp.
I'm an "old-school" kind of guy and a drummer, so when I'm behind my kit, I really prefer the sound/feeling of the power of a real guitar amp blasting on my right and the heavy balls of a real bass amp blasting on my left with a monitor (perfectly mixed with everything together) in the middle directly behind me. This gets me pumped up and inspired the most. Not having the actual & real individual amps on stage is just not the same.
You could still have an FRFR or regular cab connected to a modeler for the sound on stage. Do you think you'd be able to tell the difference between these tones and a real amp? I know I couldn't! But a silent stage is a weird thought for me too
I’m also a drummer. I completely echo what you are saying. My bass player played through an Ampeg SVT4pro with a 4x10 cab and a 1x15 cab. Nothing can beat that!!
@@freek1981 you can't re-create a 4x10 cab with a 1x15 cab, unless you use 4x10 cab with a 1x15 cab. You can maybe re-create the pre-amp and tube power section of a good head with amp sim, but you still need to amplify the single with a powerful amp and run it into large cabs.
Tbh after recording for almost 2 years only with dry signal and plugins I tried out to record my amp with a microphone and you know what? The experience is so much meaningful now… I don’t know yet what it is because I just started to record like that but all the messing around till you find the right mic position, Amp settings etc. it feels for me like a solid connections and I will dive further into that practice.
As a non-gigging home musician who just plays for fun, no I don't really need an amp but being still very much a traditionalist, I still prefer a decent practice combo amp rather than a floor/pedal modeller amp or modeller software plugin on the computer.
This is the most comprehensive review of the Neural DSP tones and their potential I've seen to date. It's amazing that you can get ridiculous tones like these now with a plugin on a laptop.
Define "guitarist". I'm thinking your definition really means "recording musician". My definition is more towards "dad jam band in a garage" and I definitely need an amp or two or three.
All a guitarist needs, is 1959 Les Paul Standard Reissue Limited Edition Murphy Lab Aged With Brazilian Rosewood, an original Klon Centaur and …a Gorilla GG-80W 1x10" Guitar Combo Amp
The PAs at many of the venues we play wouldn’t sound at all like these amps. It’s SO much easier to haul my little Princeton around than bring our full EV PA system.
Is it weird to have both? As a casual home guitarist that doesn’t gig and doesn’t record I use both options to dial in the sound of what ever competent musician I’m butchering for my own enjoyment.
I just recently started focusing on recording more than playing shows, and I gotta say, once this album is written and me and the boys get back out there, I’ll be running a Quad Cortex through the effects loops of my two Orange half stacks, because I never want to even look at another pedalboard and the tones on offer there are just incredible, especially if you run them through a real cab and let them breathe. Rabea did a video on it. It’s nasty.
It's why I bought a Fender GTX100 modeling amp. Best of both worlds. I still have a nice and loud 100W Amp w/ a 12" driver I can pickup and move around, and I can also use the internal software to make it sound all sorts of different ways just by clicking some settings on my cellphone. Modeling amps have come a long way, and I love how you can really tweak your tone with them now.
i still have my 25 year old amp and its vital. The irony is i use the fx send from my amp modeler to the fx return on the amp during a gig, the amp is then my vital backline and allows me to hear myself better on stage, because the on stage monitor speakers are not just for me, and if i turn them up loud enough to hear much my guitar will feedback. Additionally i have the full fractal amp modeler with CAB IR sound going into the PA system with stereo XLR fx. At home i dont need software amps to muck around with, instead i use my fractal AX8 into studio monitors and the axe-edit software so i can tweak to my hearts content.
Nice to see ya with that green prs. There’s just something about it that makes you play more real. Also, great tones obviously. But amps are like rock n roll and will never die!!!
Let me share my opinion. I spend all day in front of my laptop because I have a day job. While these plugins are obviously great, what I like the most about my tube amp is that there is a digital disconnect associated with it. I'm not in front of a computer. I get to turn actual knobs and the sound comes directly from my speaker cabinet. It's a experience that further helps me disconnect from email, work, etc. Nothing agianst plugins and even modellers, but tube amps represent a 'true disconnect' for a lack of better term from work, email, etc., that I really do enjoy. Plus, I'm lucky to have a great amp in a Suhr Badger; just think that it sounds so great I don't want to start twiddling with anything digtal to get close to the same sound.
I use a fractal fm3 with a very f’n loud 2500 watt FRFR speaker, and it has tons of tones that melt my face off and tons of nice cleans for any situation . I can even coax some nice feedback at times. I won’t ever need an amp. The variety is amazing.
Can you make a video on how one would set all this up? Like how a beginner can get started with not using an amp and just using their PC all the way up to what you use or something. So those of us who don't have a lot of money can still plug in and have fun without the amp, and see what we can look forward to as we build our setup or those who can afford can buy.
I would say, yes, if for your sound you like to use feedback and other aesthetic features that a highly overdriven guitar produces at high volumes. The authenticity of that simply can't be recreated by any other means than having powerful speakers, the gain turned up, and the volume cranked.
I barely know how to use a computer except for basic stuff. I sometimes use my Helix LT for recording. Sometimes I mic a real amp and cab. But I am not a big fan of listening to monitors and watching a computer screen while playing and feeling somewhat detached from the sound so when my friends come over for a jam it’s real amps and cabs every time. I can’t imagine having a couple of mates over and saying “Hi guys, I haven’t got an amp anymore but let’s sit around and play through some monitors”. I did play with the amp models through a real cab for a while in the Helix but even though I got extremely close to the sound of a real amp (with a lot more fiddling of parameters) I ultimately went back to using a real head. I missed that feel, the look of the tubes glowing, the warmth of the amp, even the weight. A lot of younger people have never played a real tube amp and cab before and you can’t miss what you never had.
I do like my Helix hardware and Helix software plug-in. Very handy to be able to share exact presets between the hardware and the software, and the endless routing options in the hw helix are great for convoluted ambient guitar stuff I do with loopers and other semi-weird pedals. Plus you can get big sounds without actual big volume, since I can't ever go full or even half volume on a 100-watt or 50-watt amp where I am. I know the Helix is old at this point compared to ToneX and NeuralDSP and some of the other newer modeler things, but they keep updating the software and adding new products to the family that can share presets since they use the same underlying operating system, so I'm not too worried about they dumping the line any time soon. I keep it very "available" too, so when I just want two play, not do recordings or any other technical stuff, I can just power on the Helilx and the FRFR amp I use with it, and start playing without dealing with anything else. I keep my default "no funny business" amp tone with basic virtual pedals (OD, delay, reverb) as preset #1 so it goes to that when it powers on.
Got to play rehearsal first time in years. Tbh great experience, was blown away with my friends line6 2x12 digital tube combo. Hated my old pod XT but man that amp sounded great with his gretsch
What you need now is a video on the "start to finish" process of getting a plug-in; loading it up in the computer; going through the process of getting the plug-in to work with the guitar for all of us newbees.
While I personally don’t use amps for recording for the most part at home (if I’m in a studio I’ll definitely use them), I think amps are definitely useful for live/practice. Nothing feels better than plugging into an amp, even it’s not great. At the moment I’ve only got a bass amp combo (100 watts) that sounds massive. Combined with my pedal board (got a cheap multi effects, 2 distortion pedals, a phaser and Wah) it definitely gives me the sound I want/need. Also I like using amps to get feedback, wise I haven’t found an amp sim that does it as well as an amp
It’s just like it’s easier to bring around like just a 50w amp and ur guitar than to bring around ur computer, recording interface, cables to connect the electronics, guitar, and like a cab or speaker to play through.
As I primarily play with headphones and record tracks for songs, I almost exclusively use Neural sims. Gojira X, Mesa 2C, and Omega. My poor Mesa and Kraken amps and Mesa cab sit alone in the corner now. Sad but it’s just so much easier to get a great sound without any hassle.
I only have two amps left. Both are bass amps and I'm not sure why I have them anymore. I'm an IT guy so I have a lot of computers and found them just as viable and also work well for guitar, bass, and my keyboard. Plus it's easier to record and make custom tones and effects than a bunch of pedals and EQs.
I have a Fractal FM3 and a boss Katana Air ex , they are ok but I Love my Marshall amp head and Cab as that gets used the most . At home guitar player .
The Soldano amp had that crazy, clean, crunch combination (if that makes sense) that I like. Also another in this line-up. Crushing tones and reverb combo that just lends to blistering lead licks.
The older I get the more I play acoustic which has sent me on a search for a nice all round acoustic and perhaps a pickup upgrade for it. Thinking OM or GA size. Considering Taylor 314 50th or Martin GPC 16 or even bourgeois TS OM. Would love to see you do more acoustic stuff.
I primarily use Petrucci. It does everything I need. Quick ,easy, space saving. Bedroom chill older guitarist who just jams along and makes youtube guitar covers. Good enough for me 🤟🎸
Modeling or not I just can’t get behind playing with only headphones. I get it every now and then if it’s annoying parents or something but I need the option to blast volume semi-frequently or I just don’t pick up the guitar.
Maybe someone could create one amp device thing that people can make plugins for it, like a mini computer amp idk, so it wouldn't need a pc, you can just download the plugins and install it on the fancy amp
like an open source amp modeler/capture? that would be nice. in the meantime the quad cortex (same vendor from the plugins in this video) has this (excluding "real" user plugins) but you can download captured amps and some pedals from other users. With Coros 3.0 they even introduced the possiblity to use some plugins from this video on it (with more coming). a smaller/cheaper version will be introduced today/tomorrow btw.
They need a PC, mixer desk, audio interface, studio monitors and tons of plugins and IRs. There is no place for fun with cheap amp. Now it's time to make it seriously :D
Apart maybe saving money from buying several amps, I never get why you’d go from buying an amp to a quality speaker. Cause let’s face it, if you going to plug your computer to a cheap desktop speaker you’re not getting even close to what an amp sounds like. So considering the option of either buying a good speaker or an amp, I’d rather take the thing that doesn’t require me to turn a computer and software every time I want to play. There’s also a second thing that I believe is useful to beginners. It’s going to be very hard to understand tone building out of software. The reason is that you’ll have so many options and factors, you’ll be overwhelmed in no time, not knowing what you did wrong. The process of managing your amp, then buying your pedals one by one and messing with them in an organic way is what gives you the comprehension. So theoretically, by the time you are prepared for software, you’ve already spent time and money in physical gear.
There's nothing like big cones dishing out some tube love. But we put a mic in front of it, record it, and go listen to it in cars, bookshelf speakers or headphones. So yeah, your software will sound exactly like that. It's good for recording. But live? Not even close. That tone of your favorite guitar player... sounds way better at his house.
Except hundreds of big bands are doing exactly this already. Kempers, helix floors, axe fx and QCs are in every major stage in the world now. And even at your local dive bar. Its already happening. Progress is not a slave to tradition.
You are an excellent youtuber, audio engineer, humorist, and you are a badass guitar player...I feel conflicted watching you not being in a band. Just saying. Excellent work and research.
Got all the Neurals I can possibly use. Have two Tube Amps as of now and planning to add more. It's a never-ending process. We need them all. Like we need a New Guitar every now and then. They Inspire you a lot.
Nothing beats standing in front of a stack and turning it up and feeling the air punch you in the chest. However, ive lived in a condo for the past 13 years so i cant even put my marshall past 1 without pissing off the neighborhood.
I love my amps, but I just got a QC last week and a few plugins/presets and I am absolutely in love with it. I should also mention I've used just about every current modeler out there too. Sold my helix & hx stomp setups the next day. My tone master pro is still here for now though too.
Since neural amp models became a thing, I can't think of any reason to keep a tube amp. And considering how good IR-based cabinet simulator is nowadays and how difficult to keep a tube amp in good shape, a full digital/AI stack will always be far more versatile, and likely also better in tone quality than "the real thing".
didn’t get to the end of the video yet but i can see the allure of this sort of thing. having all the sounds on tap for a fraction of the cost andnone of the impracticalities of having 25 heads in the apartment!! the demos i’ve heard so far have that steve vai and joe satriani soloing in front of their racks kind of vibe. it would be cool to hear what some indie / post rock bands are doing. also i wonder how it works playing live, would i take my laptop on tour and click away between songs? playing punk houses and dive bars has always been a surprise. a lot of times only one mic, which is where all the screaming came from :) it would be amazing to play a show where i could just hand the sound person a usb cable and they just give me that i got you look😂 id also really like to try playing a tiny 50w Vox MV50 or quilter i can put in my backpack. thanks for sharing and inspiration ! cheers
I've had a ton of fun with Tim's Archetype and highly recommend it. I'm guessing an of the Archetypes are great value for the money. You can make some wacky tones as shown in the video, but they can also do pretty much any other tone you can think of with a fairly intuitive interface and very little finagling.
I’ve been using neural DSP plugins for 90% of my recording and practicing lately and they are absolutely amazing. I also love that they are stand alone apps that don’t need a DAW to run. My favorites are the 2nd amp on the plini which nails the Friedman BE100/Marshall tones, the tone king imperial for my fender needs, and the soldano for anything higher gain. Some advice for anyone new to plugins: 1. Get an audio interface with an instrument hi z input (I use a focusrite scarlet). My tone was garbage until I switched from line level to instrument level and now it sounds perfect. The input level on neural plugins are designed to be at 0 db at instrument level and the output you can adjust to however much level you need in your recordings. 2. Get a good pair of headphones or studio monitors. It takes some time for amp users to get used to hearing guitar from one of these sources but give it time. 3. Every neural plug in has a 14 day free trial. Pick 2 or 3 that stand out and give them a shot! Not all of them are to my taste personally as I’m not a metal guy but once you find one or two you love, you’ll never stop playing them.
Nobody is talking about the fact that you need a good audio interface to sound good on any plugin, and no, a cheap Focusrite Scarlett Solo will lead you nowhere Anytime I see a demo about one of these, they’re always channeled through an Axe-Fx, a quad cortex, a Universal Audio Apollo or other expensive interface (the uad is the cheapest option at around 500$) So if we factor in the price of the plugin, an expensive audio interface, a pair of studio monitors the “convenience” factor is no there anymore At this point i would choose a good 20w-35w modern valve head, possibly with IR output option integrated, that can be used in studio as well as on the road
I have four tube amps - a Blackstar, a Peavey, and two Fenders. Since investing in a bunch of the NDSP plugins, it is almost all I play through. They sound so good and they are so easy to dial in and get started with quickly. And they are WAY easier to record with. These are the future because they sound great, they are inexpensive, and they weigh far less (even if you are using a QC). I you want stage volume, you can run it through speaker cabs or an FRFR speaker. I think stage volume is becoming an archaic thing these days - a lot of venues are wanting the stage volume WAY down because of noise complaints and many artists (in fact I think it is a fair statement to say MOST artists) are using IEMs (you don't need stage volume with those).
helix floor covers best of both worlds imo. I can just turn on my amp and I'm good to go. or I can load up HX edit and turn as many knobs as I want. the bonus is it helps with my personal weakspot which is dialing in a copy tone, b/c other guitarists are much better at it and I can just d/l a decent copy when I want to learn a new song, instead of an hour working out the right knobs and still not get it quite right.
The fact you didnt toss as in throw the amp into the dumpster speaks volumes. If you are going to do a bit commit. If you are gonna be a bear be a grizzly.
I don’t need an amp, no one does. But I *like* my amp. This is a perfect place to use that Jeremy clarkson meme; my dog isn’t the fastest, strongest, loudest or the best dog in the world by any stretch. But I *like* my dog
I been around for awhile. Playing live for 40 plus years. Old Boss pedals were tossed aside in favour of the new digital rack mount gear back in the day. Ever notice all the reviews show how the od’s and delays? Show me a clean tone.
What I like about these pre-sets rather than generic modeller presets is the artist presets will have artists work on them and as a result they sound good. My helix and GX100 have some poor factory default presets, yet are capable of great sounds..?? Quad cortex seems to be choice of many pro’s (and fractal) so seems you do get what you pay for.
I think some people are confusing "need" with "want". There have been countless examples of guitar players, in studio and live, performing without any sort of amplifier and just running direct with plugins or running a modeller into the venue's (or band's) PA setup. So, short of a situation where you're playing a small show without any sort of PA (or garage-band jamming like one person mentioned), a guitar amp is becoming more of a "want", something more about the player's preferences than a necessity.
I always say my Kemper was the best gear purchase I ever made! The days of thin digital tones are over! No more breaking my back with a half stack when I can plug my modeler direct to anything and just have endless tonal possibilities! Hundreds of amps and pedals built in tuner, looper, EQ, and more stuff I haven't even tried yet! Never going back.
Look, the more tools the better. I've still got my amps and they're not going anywhere, but I've gotta say that Neural is killing it with the plugins. I've got the Fortin suites and the Archetype Plini X.. They're absolutely killer, as is the Quad Cortex post the 3.0.0 software release.
I like my amp
I would probably like your amp too 😀
Same I like my amp too. It’s an orange 35rt. my daily driver.
I like your amp too.
@@deweyoogweyhey man I think I like your amp
😂❤
Tyler closes lid on trash. Walks away . Camera cuts. Runs back to trash can and scrambles to get his amp out. "Whew there is no way I am giving this up."
Lol, thought the same thing. Placed that amp in like a prized possession, not trash.
😂 I was thinking the same thing
He didn't need to run back to the bin, the real Tyler was already in the bin cradling the amp whilst crying tears of joy and telling it that Daddy's never going to leave.
Well, if you notice, he didn't throw it in there. He gently placed it in the bin. Sure, plugins are great, but nothing will ever beat turning your amp up through a nice cab and sharing with the neighborhood. 😊
I’ll bet he washed out that trash can really well before he put that amp in there
If you don't need an amp, I'll take them.
For real!
Guy takes girls home, girls asks "hey so you play guitar show me?" Ok I just have to turn my computer on and connect my interface system and load up a daw and setup a plug in, girl leave guy for new guy with gutar amp
He has a 70s Fender Twin. They're still together
haha. exactly
@@chappym2he threw it away man.
Since I’m an audio engineer, I’ve embraced all the modeling plugins and capture technologies for years now. They’re great for recording and less hassle. But, admittedly, when I want to play at home, I hate loading up the computer, DAW, etc, just to play or noodle around - especially when I can just click one switch and my amp is on.
my headrush prime is exactly one button to turn on. I just consider the software loading time to be my tubes warming up.
At home most people's computers are always on anyways, and (at least with Neural DSP) they make standalone versions of their plugins so you don't need to load up an entire DAW just to play. For me I can grab my headphones, guitar, and cable all from sitting in my computer chair and it's quicker for me to use a plugin than having to walk across the room to turn on an amp. Now, the time difference is literally like 5 seconds so it really doesn't matter at all to me lol, I just plug in whichever I'm feeling at that moment. Right now I use plugins more often, but once I get my 5150 Stealth I'm sure I'll be playing through that more
Kemper is just as easy.
@@ogfdnbvjkfdn trust me, I get it, I’ve used NAM and Tonex for a long time now, but I don’t like to wear headphones when I play, and my amp and computer are just as close. My guitar is always plugged into the amp, so for me personally, that’s the fast version. But that doesn’t take away from what you do. I did that for years too. I also just find playing through an amp more enjoyable and more inspiring (personally). When I used Tonex and NAM every day for a long time, I forgot the joy of just popping on an amp to play out loud. Doesn’t mean either is better or worse, because that’s a case by case for each person.
@@ogfdnbvjkfdn 5150 stealth nice - i took like the hobo vanhalen era
anything that makes guitar noises is good.. but standing in front of a 412 100w Marshall at 132db is pretty special
Yeah special. It's gonna leave you needing special hearing equipment is what it is. Turn that shit down man
05:47 - okay now I need it!
I like to play guitar to relax, and as somebody who works at the office, with smartphones and computers and screens all day, it is a relief to do something without it. Its a relief for me to use an "old school"-ish amp.
I'm an "old-school" kind of guy and a drummer, so when I'm behind my kit, I really prefer the sound/feeling of the power of a real guitar amp blasting on my right and the heavy balls of a real bass amp blasting on my left with a monitor (perfectly mixed with everything together) in the middle directly behind me. This gets me pumped up and inspired the most. Not having the actual & real individual amps on stage is just not the same.
You could still have an FRFR or regular cab connected to a modeler for the sound on stage. Do you think you'd be able to tell the difference between these tones and a real amp? I know I couldn't! But a silent stage is a weird thought for me too
Not a drummer, but I could imagine that it's probably a great feeling being the driver of a culmination of big loud authentic sounds.
I’m also a drummer. I completely echo what you are saying. My bass player played through an Ampeg SVT4pro with a 4x10 cab and a 1x15 cab. Nothing can beat that!!
If you use the plugins with a great active speaker you get the same effect?
@@freek1981 you can't re-create a 4x10 cab with a 1x15 cab, unless you use 4x10 cab with a 1x15 cab. You can maybe re-create the pre-amp and tube power section of a good head with amp sim, but you still need to amplify the single with a powerful amp and run it into large cabs.
Tbh after recording for almost 2 years only with dry signal and plugins I tried out to record my amp with a microphone and you know what? The experience is so much meaningful now… I don’t know yet what it is because I just started to record like that but all the messing around till you find the right mic position, Amp settings etc. it feels for me like a solid connections and I will dive further into that practice.
Digital stuffs don’t push air in live settings, for record it’s 99% accurate nowadays for some amp models.
As a non-gigging home musician who just plays for fun, no I don't really need an amp but being still very much a traditionalist, I still prefer a decent practice combo amp rather than a floor/pedal modeller amp or modeller software plugin on the computer.
This is the most comprehensive review of the Neural DSP tones and their potential I've seen to date. It's amazing that you can get ridiculous tones like these now with a plugin on a laptop.
It's not a review, it's a sponsored video.
I am old school. I did some work for Capitol in the 60s, so my home studio is full of stacks and combos. Great video
Yes…we certainly do need real amps…
UL dropping by to set the story straight.
Still waiting for that Uncle Larry plugin to drop 👀👀
Nope. No need anymore. Sorry grandpa.
@@lowercase3635 hahaaaa yeah what the hell do I know?…I can see by your 15 subscribers that you have this all figured out
@@501chorusecho I don’t have any videos dude 😂😂
most elaborate neural dsp ad i've ever seen
Define "guitarist". I'm thinking your definition really means "recording musician".
My definition is more towards "dad jam band in a garage" and I definitely need an amp or two or three.
Gotta get good in your bedroom before the dad's in the garage start playing. So this is relevant from a "spend 3 years getting better" standpoint
@@ksks6802 or 35 years, but I'm not counting. 😆
Why not 4 or 5
@@mk_21215 is an odd number might as well do 6
You still don’t need an amp. An iPhone and some speakers do just as well as any amp.
All a guitarist needs,
is 1959 Les Paul Standard Reissue Limited Edition Murphy Lab Aged With Brazilian Rosewood, an original Klon Centaur and
…a Gorilla GG-80W 1x10" Guitar Combo Amp
Yep. Otherwise, forget about it. Minimum specs.
tyler is such a great player. very deep admiration and respect for this man
The PAs at many of the venues we play wouldn’t sound at all like these amps. It’s SO much easier to haul my little Princeton around than bring our full EV PA system.
Is it weird to have both? As a casual home guitarist that doesn’t gig and doesn’t record I use both options to dial in the sound of what ever competent musician I’m butchering for my own enjoyment.
I'm not giving up my Princeton with the 12" Celestion Creamback any time soon 😂
Thanks for the code brother! Just got the Mesa Boogie!
I've been using Neural DSP for awhile. I love them. I have the Gojira, Tom Morello, and Rabea plugins.
I just recently started focusing on recording more than playing shows, and I gotta say, once this album is written and me and the boys get back out there, I’ll be running a Quad Cortex through the effects loops of my two Orange half stacks, because I never want to even look at another pedalboard and the tones on offer there are just incredible, especially if you run them through a real cab and let them breathe. Rabea did a video on it. It’s nasty.
It's why I bought a Fender GTX100 modeling amp. Best of both worlds. I still have a nice and loud 100W Amp w/ a 12" driver I can pickup and move around, and I can also use the internal software to make it sound all sorts of different ways just by clicking some settings on my cellphone.
Modeling amps have come a long way, and I love how you can really tweak your tone with them now.
i still have my 25 year old amp and its vital. The irony is i use the fx send from my amp modeler to the fx return on the amp during a gig, the amp is then my vital backline and allows me to hear myself better on stage, because the on stage monitor speakers are not just for me, and if i turn them up loud enough to hear much my guitar will feedback. Additionally i have the full fractal amp modeler with CAB IR sound going into the PA system with stereo XLR fx. At home i dont need software amps to muck around with, instead i use my fractal AX8 into studio monitors and the axe-edit software so i can tweak to my hearts content.
Nice to see ya with that green prs. There’s just something about it that makes you play more real. Also, great tones obviously. But amps are like rock n roll and will never die!!!
Let me share my opinion. I spend all day in front of my laptop because I have a day job. While these plugins are obviously great, what I like the most about my tube amp is that there is a digital disconnect associated with it. I'm not in front of a computer. I get to turn actual knobs and the sound comes directly from my speaker cabinet. It's a experience that further helps me disconnect from email, work, etc. Nothing agianst plugins and even modellers, but tube amps represent a 'true disconnect' for a lack of better term from work, email, etc., that I really do enjoy. Plus, I'm lucky to have a great amp in a Suhr Badger; just think that it sounds so great I don't want to start twiddling with anything digtal to get close to the same sound.
Been using NDSP stuff for quite a while now. its honestly great fun how good some of these sound. I can sit down and mess around with them for hours.
It’s wild how this guy actually plays amazing!!
I use a fractal fm3 with a very f’n loud 2500 watt FRFR speaker, and it has tons of tones that melt my face off and tons of nice cleans for any situation . I can even coax some nice feedback at times. I won’t ever need an amp. The variety is amazing.
Can you make a video on how one would set all this up? Like how a beginner can get started with not using an amp and just using their PC all the way up to what you use or something. So those of us who don't have a lot of money can still plug in and have fun without the amp, and see what we can look forward to as we build our setup or those who can afford can buy.
I would say, yes, if for your sound you like to use feedback and other aesthetic features that a highly overdriven guitar produces at high volumes. The authenticity of that simply can't be recreated by any other means than having powerful speakers, the gain turned up, and the volume cranked.
I barely know how to use a computer except for basic stuff. I sometimes use my Helix LT for recording. Sometimes I mic a real amp and cab. But I am not a big fan of listening to monitors and watching a computer screen while playing and feeling somewhat detached from the sound so when my friends come over for a jam it’s real amps and cabs every time. I can’t imagine having a couple of mates over and saying “Hi guys, I haven’t got an amp anymore but let’s sit around and play through some monitors”. I did play with the amp models through a real cab for a while in the Helix but even though I got extremely close to the sound of a real amp (with a lot more fiddling of parameters) I ultimately went back to using a real head. I missed that feel, the look of the tubes glowing, the warmth of the amp, even the weight. A lot of younger people have never played a real tube amp and cab before and you can’t miss what you never had.
I do like my Helix hardware and Helix software plug-in. Very handy to be able to share exact presets between the hardware and the software, and the endless routing options in the hw helix are great for convoluted ambient guitar stuff I do with loopers and other semi-weird pedals. Plus you can get big sounds without actual big volume, since I can't ever go full or even half volume on a 100-watt or 50-watt amp where I am. I know the Helix is old at this point compared to ToneX and NeuralDSP and some of the other newer modeler things, but they keep updating the software and adding new products to the family that can share presets since they use the same underlying operating system, so I'm not too worried about they dumping the line any time soon. I keep it very "available" too, so when I just want two play, not do recordings or any other technical stuff, I can just power on the Helilx and the FRFR amp I use with it, and start playing without dealing with anything else. I keep my default "no funny business" amp tone with basic virtual pedals (OD, delay, reverb) as preset #1 so it goes to that when it powers on.
Man, that Soldano SLO-100 X demo had some Adam Jones vibes to me...sounds great!
Got to play rehearsal first time in years. Tbh great experience, was blown away with my friends line6 2x12 digital tube combo. Hated my old pod XT but man that amp sounded great with his gretsch
Damn this riffs are killer
What you need now is a video on the "start to finish" process of getting a plug-in; loading it up in the computer; going through the process of getting the plug-in to work with the guitar for all of us newbees.
oml dude thank you so much for the code im def gonna use it when i buy archetype nolly x in december
I use the Neural DSP Mesa Boogie Plug In.. and after trying the Gojira Archetype for 14 days I will buy it
Tom Morello thing huh! I just use a tremolo. If you set it up righ... etc.
I’m a guitar player in a band and i like to play my Vox AC30 on stage, rehearsal space and studio
Couldn’t agree more! I picked up a hand wired ac30 years ago, and it’s exactly what I’ve wanted for years, though I have other amps now too.
When I discovered the Eleven Rack it all changed for me. Blast it through some monitors amd the sound is unreal.
Hey tyler! I love your videos and the way you explain all of it with so much passion
I remember when I went to see Anthrax few years ago, was surprised to see no amps
While I personally don’t use amps for recording for the most part at home (if I’m in a studio I’ll definitely use them), I think amps are definitely useful for live/practice. Nothing feels better than plugging into an amp, even it’s not great. At the moment I’ve only got a bass amp combo (100 watts) that sounds massive. Combined with my pedal board (got a cheap multi effects, 2 distortion pedals, a phaser and Wah) it definitely gives me the sound I want/need. Also I like using amps to get feedback, wise I haven’t found an amp sim that does it as well as an amp
Very nice, I mostly model these days, you get the best of both worlds, killer sound and no lugging an amp around. Thanks Tyler.
It’s just like it’s easier to bring around like just a 50w amp and ur guitar than to bring around ur computer, recording interface, cables to connect the electronics, guitar, and like a cab or speaker to play through.
As I primarily play with headphones and record tracks for songs, I almost exclusively use Neural sims. Gojira X, Mesa 2C, and Omega. My poor Mesa and Kraken amps and Mesa cab sit alone in the corner now. Sad but it’s just so much easier to get a great sound without any hassle.
I only have two amps left. Both are bass amps and I'm not sure why I have them anymore. I'm an IT guy so I have a lot of computers and found them just as viable and also work well for guitar, bass, and my keyboard. Plus it's easier to record and make custom tones and effects than a bunch of pedals and EQs.
I just got my dream amp (Orange Tiny Terror). I ain't getting rid of it.
I have a fender stage 185 150 watt it’s insanely loud even at VOLUME 2.
I hate the natural distortion on it but I run pedals thru the clean channel.
Gotta have an amp.
Man, a decent amp makes playing so much fun!
I have a Fractal FM3 and a boss Katana Air ex , they are ok but I Love my Marshall amp head and Cab as that gets used the most . At home guitar player .
Sweet! These sound absolutely amazing. You could get quite a wide range of music with these.
The Soldano amp had that crazy, clean, crunch combination (if that makes sense) that I like. Also another in this line-up. Crushing tones and reverb combo that just lends to blistering lead licks.
The older I get the more I play acoustic which has sent me on a search for a nice all round acoustic and perhaps a pickup upgrade for it. Thinking OM or GA size. Considering Taylor 314 50th or Martin GPC 16 or even bourgeois TS OM. Would love to see you do more acoustic stuff.
I primarily use Petrucci. It does everything I need. Quick ,easy, space saving. Bedroom chill older guitarist who just jams along and makes youtube guitar covers. Good enough for me 🤟🎸
Finally!! some new content! been waiting
Another album you say???? Excellent!!! 🤘🎸🤘
love my amps!
Modeling or not I just can’t get behind playing with only headphones.
I get it every now and then if it’s annoying parents or something but I need the option to blast volume semi-frequently or I just don’t pick up the guitar.
Maybe someone could create one amp device thing that people can make plugins for it, like a mini computer amp idk, so it wouldn't need a pc, you can just download the plugins and install it on the fancy amp
like an open source amp modeler/capture? that would be nice. in the meantime the quad cortex (same vendor from the plugins in this video) has this (excluding "real" user plugins) but you can download captured amps and some pedals from other users. With Coros 3.0 they even introduced the possiblity to use some plugins from this video on it (with more coming). a smaller/cheaper version will be introduced today/tomorrow btw.
They need a PC, mixer desk, audio interface, studio monitors and tons of plugins and IRs. There is no place for fun with cheap amp. Now it's time to make it seriously :D
Apart maybe saving money from buying several amps, I never get why you’d go from buying an amp to a quality speaker. Cause let’s face it, if you going to plug your computer to a cheap desktop speaker you’re not getting even close to what an amp sounds like. So considering the option of either buying a good speaker or an amp, I’d rather take the thing that doesn’t require me to turn a computer and software every time I want to play.
There’s also a second thing that I believe is useful to beginners. It’s going to be very hard to understand tone building out of software. The reason is that you’ll have so many options and factors, you’ll be overwhelmed in no time, not knowing what you did wrong. The process of managing your amp, then buying your pedals one by one and messing with them in an organic way is what gives you the comprehension. So theoretically, by the time you are prepared for software, you’ve already spent time and money in physical gear.
That’s not the Petrucci chord. It’s the Lifeson chord. It’s the opening chord of Rush’s Hemispheres from 1978
There's nothing like big cones dishing out some tube love. But we put a mic in front of it, record it, and go listen to it in cars, bookshelf speakers or headphones. So yeah, your software will sound exactly like that. It's good for recording. But live? Not even close. That tone of your favorite guitar player... sounds way better at his house.
Except hundreds of big bands are doing exactly this already. Kempers, helix floors, axe fx and QCs are in every major stage in the world now. And even at your local dive bar. Its already happening. Progress is not a slave to tradition.
You are an excellent youtuber, audio engineer, humorist, and you are a badass guitar player...I feel conflicted watching you not being in a band. Just saying. Excellent work and research.
Got all the Neurals I can possibly use. Have two Tube Amps as of now and planning to add more. It's a never-ending process. We need them all. Like we need a New Guitar every now and then. They Inspire you a lot.
Still playing amp and I'll never stop
Nothing beats standing in front of a stack and turning it up and feeling the air punch you in the chest. However, ive lived in a condo for the past 13 years so i cant even put my marshall past 1 without pissing off the neighborhood.
There are load boxes with which you can play even with headphones a 100w Marshall. check out torpedo captor x for example
I love my amps, but I just got a QC last week and a few plugins/presets and I am absolutely in love with it. I should also mention I've used just about every current modeler out there too. Sold my helix & hx stomp setups the next day. My tone master pro is still here for now though too.
Since neural amp models became a thing, I can't think of any reason to keep a tube amp. And considering how good IR-based cabinet simulator is nowadays and how difficult to keep a tube amp in good shape, a full digital/AI stack will always be far more versatile, and likely also better in tone quality than "the real thing".
didn’t get to the end of the video yet but i can see the allure of this sort of thing. having all the sounds on tap for a fraction of the cost andnone of the impracticalities of having 25 heads in the apartment!! the demos i’ve heard so far have that steve vai and joe satriani soloing in front of their racks kind of vibe. it would be cool to hear what some indie / post rock bands are doing.
also i wonder how it works playing live, would i take my laptop on tour and click away between songs? playing punk houses and dive bars has always been a surprise. a lot of times only one mic, which is where all the screaming came from :)
it would be amazing to play a show where i could just hand the sound person a usb cable and they just give me that i got you look😂 id also really like to try playing a tiny 50w Vox MV50 or quilter i can put in my backpack.
thanks for sharing and inspiration ! cheers
I've had a ton of fun with Tim's Archetype and highly recommend it. I'm guessing an of the Archetypes are great value for the money. You can make some wacky tones as shown in the video, but they can also do pretty much any other tone you can think of with a fairly intuitive interface and very little finagling.
I’ve been using neural DSP plugins for 90% of my recording and practicing lately and they are absolutely amazing. I also love that they are stand alone apps that don’t need a DAW to run.
My favorites are the 2nd amp on the plini which nails the Friedman BE100/Marshall tones, the tone king imperial for my fender needs, and the soldano for anything higher gain.
Some advice for anyone new to plugins:
1. Get an audio interface with an instrument hi z input (I use a focusrite scarlet). My tone was garbage until I switched from line level to instrument level and now it sounds perfect. The input level on neural plugins are designed to be at 0 db at instrument level and the output you can adjust to however much level you need in your recordings.
2. Get a good pair of headphones or studio monitors. It takes some time for amp users to get used to hearing guitar from one of these sources but give it time.
3. Every neural plug in has a 14 day free trial. Pick 2 or 3 that stand out and give them a shot! Not all of them are to my taste personally as I’m not a metal guy but once you find one or two you love, you’ll never stop playing them.
they're all garbage compared to the real thing
@@DavidL1980lol no
@@DavidL1980no sir
My trials just ran out I am so glad I waited to buy them. Thank you!
Have you got a video showing your setup when using these plugins? How would you gig using these?
Nobody is talking about the fact that you need a good audio interface to sound good on any plugin, and no, a cheap Focusrite Scarlett Solo will lead you nowhere
Anytime I see a demo about one of these, they’re always channeled through an Axe-Fx, a quad cortex, a Universal Audio Apollo or other expensive interface (the uad is the cheapest option at around 500$)
So if we factor in the price of the plugin, an expensive audio interface, a pair of studio monitors the “convenience” factor is no there anymore
At this point i would choose a good 20w-35w modern valve head, possibly with IR output option integrated, that can be used in studio as well as on the road
I have four tube amps - a Blackstar, a Peavey, and two Fenders. Since investing in a bunch of the NDSP plugins, it is almost all I play through. They sound so good and they are so easy to dial in and get started with quickly. And they are WAY easier to record with. These are the future because they sound great, they are inexpensive, and they weigh far less (even if you are using a QC). I you want stage volume, you can run it through speaker cabs or an FRFR speaker. I think stage volume is becoming an archaic thing these days - a lot of venues are wanting the stage volume WAY down because of noise complaints and many artists (in fact I think it is a fair statement to say MOST artists) are using IEMs (you don't need stage volume with those).
helix floor covers best of both worlds imo. I can just turn on my amp and I'm good to go. or I can load up HX edit and turn as many knobs as I want. the bonus is it helps with my personal weakspot which is dialing in a copy tone, b/c other guitarists are much better at it and I can just d/l a decent copy when I want to learn a new song, instead of an hour working out the right knobs and still not get it quite right.
The fact you didnt toss as in throw the amp into the dumpster speaks volumes.
If you are going to do a bit commit.
If you are gonna be a bear be a grizzly.
I don’t need an amp, no one does. But I *like* my amp. This is a perfect place to use that Jeremy clarkson meme; my dog isn’t the fastest, strongest, loudest or the best dog in the world by any stretch. But I *like* my dog
Was that stain on your jeans the detailed cue for the trash bin at the opening or is that fashion?
I been around for awhile. Playing live for 40 plus years. Old Boss pedals were tossed aside in favour of the new digital rack mount gear back in the day. Ever notice all the reviews show how the od’s and delays? Show me a clean tone.
for recording no, for gigging yes, I'm more than fine to use a plug in at a recording studio but I'm not plugging in to a laptop on stage
14:12 He got out the Strat sounds, IM IN
What I like about these pre-sets rather than generic modeller presets is the artist presets will have artists work on them and as a result they sound good. My helix and GX100 have some poor factory default presets, yet are capable of great sounds..?? Quad cortex seems to be choice of many pro’s (and fractal) so seems you do get what you pay for.
Great video, as always!
That axe is so dope. Is that a Custom Shop Custom 22? That color and flame is 🔥!
I think some people are confusing "need" with "want". There have been countless examples of guitar players, in studio and live, performing without any sort of amplifier and just running direct with plugins or running a modeller into the venue's (or band's) PA setup. So, short of a situation where you're playing a small show without any sort of PA (or garage-band jamming like one person mentioned), a guitar amp is becoming more of a "want", something more about the player's preferences than a necessity.
I always say my Kemper was the best gear purchase I ever made! The days of thin digital tones are over! No more breaking my back with a half stack when I can plug my modeler direct to anything and just have endless tonal possibilities! Hundreds of amps and pedals built in tuner, looper, EQ, and more stuff I haven't even tried yet! Never going back.
What a convenient video. I just download the NAM plugin earlier this week. Thanks
I haven’t touched my Egnater since I got my helix. There’s no need. And god damn, dude, what a great composition.
Just got my QC yesterday, I already started selling all my pedals and amps. It’s a no brainer for me.
I adore my deluxe reverb
But I also have a the plini and abasi plugin and they're superb!! What a time to be alive
14:46 bro’s flexing his vintage Strat
Look, the more tools the better. I've still got my amps and they're not going anywhere, but I've gotta say that Neural is killing it with the plugins. I've got the Fortin suites and the Archetype Plini X.. They're absolutely killer, as is the Quad Cortex post the 3.0.0 software release.
Rabea’s plugin is a sleeper.. it’s amazing for any kind of sound. Nolly X is the best, I find, for presets