Sophia Beat The Brakes Off Of Harpo! | The Color Purple
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2024
- Join Heit & Cheri as they discuss the scene in which Sophia confronts Celie for telling Harpo to lay hands on her in The Color Purple (1985).
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I think this film does a great job of showing how complex people and relationships are. I've always felt that Harpo was more decent than his father and grandfather for sure. And if he'd not been directed by Ceilie [specifically because perhaps he saw Ceilie as the same type of person as himself], to beat Sofia, I don't think he would have. I don't think he was abusive to Squeak either. So is he decent??? Ehhh... he's redeemable. LANDED
Part of me thinks Ceilie was the cause of their split. (Harpo & Sophia)
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Celie was definitely Harpo's MIL; even as a stepmother.
I think Harpo was decent-- just misguided, simple minded, and had no example of healthy relationships to observe.
He and Sofia were winging it, and Celie's poor advice (informed by her own abuse) set them down a bad and complicated path.
I don’t think the Harpo/ Sophia being back together was a redemption arc at all and definitely not for Sophia. Harpo was probably with both Sophia and his new woman at the same time. I mean everyone was at the dinner table and Sophia didn’t have to be there but she was there. I always assumed it was because she lived there after working for the governs wife for all those years. The redemption arc for Sophia was when Celie stood-up to Mister. That’s when she got her “power” back, started laughing and told everyone she was back.
I never paid it attention until now but harpo name is spelled Oprah backwards.
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What would've been wonderful to see in the new version was an extra scene between Harpo and Sofia. Maybe on the back porch of their house towards the end of the film.
That would've been a moment where both Harpo and Sofia have a heart to heart and admit that they were both wrong in how they treated each other.
To me, this would've been important for some big character growth (epsecially for Sofia), as they couldve admitted that their abusive childhoods are what basically drove them to act the way they did (as Sofia felt the need to dominate because of how she saw her father treat her mother and Harpo feeling the need to gain the respect and appreciation that his father never showed him and pretty much the whole damn family, minus Ol' Mister).
It would've been nice because it would've also shown that their time apart from one another helped them to gain maturity, especially for Sofia, as she could've realized that her pride is a big part of what took her away from her loved ones and that its okay to be vulnerable (as she is now a grown woman and not that little girl that grew to see all men as a potential threat). That would've been better than having them back together without the slightest explanation.
It would've also been nice to see an extra scene between Sofia and Squeak (as they basically became friends after Squeak helped Harpo raise her kids after she was imprisoned and Sofia then helping to raise Squeak's daughter when she leaves for Memphis).
The new film had the potential to give more body to the story in ways that the original film didn't but they fumbled the ball.
I know this paragraph is as long as the Devil's toenails but damnit, it needed to be said. 😂
Love the channel and the content. Blessings to you and yours.
Abusing someone isn't a descent act. People are complicated. Theres so much nuances being missed here. Yes we can give grace but folks are responsible for their own accountability.
Y'all have opened a can of worms.. I'm sending this video to Diddy's defense team. 😂😂
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LANDED Harpo was sorry and a decent person. Sofia carried her baggage from her past. And placed it on and in front Harpo. Harpo was frustrated, notice he didn't go to his father for advice. He went to Celie hoping she answered with not to hit her. But when she said yes go ahead and beat her. Celie confirmed to him, he was wrong , his father was right. That how the world is and should be. That he should like his dad. I don't remember if they mention if Harpo beat Squeak. If he didn't, then it shows that he wasn't really that type of person.
Harpo and Sofia truly loved each other. But both of them had horrible up bringing. Went about it wrong in their adult lives. And toke a long to through heartache and pain. To learn to be better people.
LANDED. This was a very deep conversation. It has me thinking and looking at people sideways now. 😂
Discipline and abuse two very different things….. and being decent is subjective IMO.
Decency is subjective, but violence isn't required for discipline. I can say that as someone who has hit my child but when I learned better and stopped reacting out of anger and resorting to the same methods my parents chose--I stopped.
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I think Harpo is decent because it was not in his nature to beat his wife, but he's at his wits' end with no solution and was too far gone to stop.
I believe they had love for each other but needed to mature. Otherwise, she could've stayed with Buster.
Sidenote: I really enjoy yall's content and rich, thought provoking conversations. That's why I stay till the end. 😊
I think Sophia taught harpo how to treat her….
I think Harpo was decent purely for his inside. His dad wasn't shit and could teach Harpo how to be shit; Harpo was just influenced/pressured by everyone.
Celie is ignorant. Mister beats her, and it works. It works to subdue her and keep her fearful. Mister had just beat her prior to this scene; she has a black eye when advising Harpo. So she tells Harpo what she only knows. Sophia, despite the men in her family, comes from a strong matriarchy through her sisters, her mother, and her aunts. Sophia wants her own life and household to be different, so she chose Harpo who is stupid but sweet (we know they do love each because they do come back to each other) and, mostly, because he's not violent and controlling. She's bossy because Harpo is lazy and full of excuses and needs to be told what to do to get their new home in order. Harpo goes from a goofy son who can't do anything right and can't stand up for himself in front of his father to Sophia with whom he still can't get himself right. Sophia was never going to back down in her life to anyone; she just makes the mistake of knocking out the mayor- there's ALWAYS a limit to one's own power. Harpo chooses Squeak because she's young and gullible, so he finally finds someone who is not convinced of her own power as Sophia is and feels good that he's finally able to call the shots and do what he wants. He never marries Squeak; he even puts Sophia before Squeak. We know he has promised Squeak part ownership of the juke joint and still recognizes Sophia as his wife, who he must (wants) to prioritize. Sophia and Harpo reconcile. They stop trying to one-up each other and control each other. Harpo even becomes a man seeing the faults in his father's approach to life. Even Mister sees Harpo differently. Harpo can be redeemed because he's not a true abuser the way Mister is with Celie and the way Celie's stepfather was with her. He changes. Only then, does Sophia accept him. They are also much older by the time they get back together; their children are grown and gone. And now, they are back to page one of their relationship except now with healthier boundaries. Harpo is decent; he just stood on bad advice and put his pride above his family; and Sophia, who could have left after the first beating, was hellbent on keeping her family together under the notion that he would eventually stop if she kept fighting back. Sophia is a real "ballbuster", not because she hates her husband or men, but because she is very specific about what she wants, and she works hard for it and expects the people around her to work hard too. She knocks out Squeak because she comes out of pocket; she knocks out the Mayor because his wife was out of pocket. She only fights when she feels she has to defend herself or her kids.
There's a difference in a beating because of discipline ("I'm worried that the world will do worse to you if you act like this out there, so I feel I have to scare the hell out of you and give you enough pain now that you will grow to fear it later" versus a beating because "I want to hurt you and exercise MY power and will over you by torturing you; I want to be a danger to you, and I want you to know I'm dangerous". Both hurt and cause damage, but the first one should never crossover into the second one. It's a controversial practice, and the outcome can be just as impactful as abuse. Sophia's response to Celie is not advice. Sophia recognizes that Celie has no hope in her own life (which is why Celie mentions the afterlife) and that Mister beats her and keeps her fearful. She's basically telling Celie to not let her beliefs about what she puts up with determine what all women should put up with. She changes her mind on this later when Celie threatens Mister at Easter dinner. She's experienced the negative extent of fighting back. Prison is not empowering, and she warns Celie not swap one prison for another. Lesson: Weigh the cost of waging war. Mister withholding Nettie's letters is one abusive act too far for Celie. He means to make himself feel powerful through his knowledge of the letters- that's why he kept every single one. That's beating someone when they are already down; it's far more insidious than being petty. And he has to lose everything up to his soul to come back around to 'good'. Harpo doesn't have to travel that far to get back to 'good' because Sophia never stopped fighting for what she wanted out of life. Celie is driven almost to the ultimate act of taken Mister's life (on more than one occassion). Lesson: Expect that so far as you push somone, so far they will eventually go. Squeak decides to prioritize herself over Harpo, and Sophia saves Celie from killing Mister out of rage and is reborn in her own power by forgiving herself of her past decisions.
What is a happy "ending"? It's just a new day, hour, sec, moment to do better.
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Landed. Looking at the film with present day eyes all the characters were flawed but had redeeming qualities. Harpo was decent to the time and rules of his society. "Generational curse" or trauma is hard to break when society dictates unhealthy ways.
When it comes to forgiveness you can say sorry and mean it but the actions to grow and not do it again. The people you've wronged don't have to accept the words that you say especially if that's all it is are words.
The faulty logic of each of them is what makes these topics so difficult because it brings out some of our faulty logic that we grew up with and "hindsight is 20/20". Hopefully you learn and and grow, some just learn the hard way.
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I think their relationship was a case of an alpha female with a beta male. I don’t think Harpo knew how to be different even though he knew that he was wrong because he was a product of his environment 🤷🏾♀️.
LANDED. I think Harpo was a decent human being & did he was taught & Sophia responded by being emotionally abusive to him.
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