I really wish that the videos, audio recordings, incident reports, weather reports, and interviews were all publicly available with no editing or censoring done to them. I understand that they don't want to show it because of the trauma it may have on the families and it is a dead firefighter you are looking at that has probably been burned to death, but it would allow us some insight into why they ended up there and how their deployment went. If it were my body lying there I would want every detail they can find from weather patterns in the area all the way down to how far my left boot was from my right one and exactly how far away my tool ended up to be published in an easily accessible manner to prevent it from happening in the future. The only way we can prevent this from happening again is to learn, but if information is suppressed and censored we can't learn the full lesson and it makes their sacrifice that much worse.
I can guarantee you that those who've needed to see it have seen it as have those whose training and future deployments depend on this type of information. That being said, to see it requires a certain reverence, solemnity, and grasp of what it all means... if you think this is wrong, then look at what happened with the Kobe Bryant photos and the LA Sheriff's Department...an embarrassment to that agency
It's heartbreaking to know that their shelters could only withstand heat up to 500 degrees. The fire was over 2,000 degrees. those poor men never had a chance.
Someone needs to design a better shelter system for these poor heros. they died an unimaginable death trying to help others....it simply isn't fair. there has to be a better way to protect these men!
@@jasonr.9520 these shelters arent meant to be deployed in heavy fuels like they were. When you go through training to fight wildland fires you are taught to find good deployment sites and to avoid entrapment in the first place
I actually think you did a good job blocking out the scene of the 18 hotshot who passed away there to show respect RIP brothers we got this from here watch over us and future firefighters
The further they go the more awful and G-d forsaken that place is. The total example of the Valley of the Shadow of Death. G-d bless the lost men as well as these that wanted above all else to rescue their friends.
I hiked the Memorial trail, I just don't see the purpose of loosing these great men. Buildings are replaced everyday....not husband's and father's ... RIP
@@kingduckfordEric,s ego couldn't understand the information Jesse was pleading, Politics I believe...?.Eric, Not able to see That being in the Black was Not a weakness..... Sorry I get Upset, comprehending what would of happened had Jesse, Told Eric.... I'm Not COMPROMISING The CREW....WE Are going To Stand Firm. Sit back and observe the Fires behaviors. 2 Reports Never Ask Tough questions.... #19. Amen. A Laguna Hotshot 88
I have seen and heard many comments about these firefighters dying as a result of poor decision making, foolish pride, or outright stupidity. I can understand why when presented with some of what we consider to be facts would draw such a conclusion. Perhaps the most important fact of all is that we weren't there. We don't know what info they had and didn't have. I think they were in a dangerous business, and ended up in a situation that unfortunately for them, there was no getting out of. They also most probably died nightmarish deaths, I can't imagine what it must have been like for them. May they rest in peace.
Great comment! I think some of that is because they were already in the black, and they probably should have stayed where they were. On the other hand these guys are risk takers, and they wanted to help fight this fire...so that's probably why they took off to where they ended up passing. The fire blew up and just overtook them.. Very sad. I agree they had to have died horrible, painful hellish deaths. Have you read the 1st hand account from the couple that had a ranch about 1mi. To 1.5 mi. from where these guys died? Unbelievable story!! The couple survived in the ranch as the fire blew over. If the guys had a little more time and they would have been able to haul, they would have made it to that ranch and survived. Sad all the way around. These fires are so unpredictable, and create their own weather systems that you really just can't predict anything. 🙏❤️
In talking with other firefighters I work with the only thing that makes sense is the smoke was just too much where they were at and it was a decision call that no one expected. Once Granite Mountain started down that hill to escape zone the fire had started spreading even faster than anyone thought and they lost sight of the fire. This incident just goes to show even the most simple fire can turn deadly and you can never predict what a fire will do. Rest in Peace Granite Mountain 19❤️
@@Mcdouble123so let the report say that then, there’s nothing to be gained by people on the internet taking hard stances on a situation literally none of them will ever truly understand.
They filmed the bodies as well but they blacked it out. I think they should of showed the bodies so people know this shit ain’t a joke. 1 min your alive the next your vaporized. RIP boys
@Annie497 `maybe some do because in my public records it is disturbing where they inventoried and what they placed on that sheet ... so maybe some of us do ... I will let the F B I help process this out --- I contacted them Dec 2022.
crusaders69 pressure points out of Arizona news stations when the helmet cam footage came out. One of the stations newscaster said that the helmet cam video reportedly showed pictures of the firefighters bodies. That is why I think some of the footage is black and out for a couple different parts
@@anechoicsoulBut I'd like to see. You can tell several of them were in pugilistic positions because flags were raised like a little tent, while others were prostrate.
That is so sad and tragic. I remember that day. The amazing thing is these brave hot shots gave their lives yet the firefighters in Lahaina Maui stood by and sent people back into the flames. Congratulations to the Arizona hotshots thumbs down to the Maui Hawaii firefighters.
12:05 upper left corner You can see the shelters. I'm almost positive this is them as the other firefighters are off to the right looking that way. It appears to be several fire shelters huddled together Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a bunch of weird rocks. Start at 12:04 put it at .25x and go frame by frame
@@troyleenewgent9013 it's really quick and you have to time it just right. It absolutely has to be frame by frame or pauseplaypauseplay. But as long as someone else sees what I'm looking at, I'm good with it.
I heard it , saying a few missives under their breath after they heard 18 confirmed - obviously in shock and hasn’t completely sunk in, which isn’t surprising.
I have been on fires were we were helpless and listened to such radio traffic. You don't see what happens when the crew is alone off the line. That is when we mourn our brothers and sisters. Its a very private affair to be honest. We comfort the living, mourn the dead and learn from the past. The next morning we wake and go to the line. Its a harsh reality of that line of work.. I know one of the Brave men that found the deployment site. I promise you on my children, there was emotion.
blazing k how did they come up with the videos? 19men didn't survive the fires but the footage was undamaged and recovered? And it was only turned over for viewing after filing for the rights to see it? 🤔
They did. However before they figured out that all 19 were dead, they heard a radio going and they thought that there might still be one person left alive in the bunch. All of them were confirmed dead later. There was simply a radio that they had that was still functional.
These HEROES tried to move from the black to their Safety Ranch and Got caught by the racing flame front.1) A new Watchout should be created to ALWAYS keep Eyes on the Fire and Stay on the Ridge if at all Possible instead of losing Sight of the fire in Canyons or draws. 2)Also they should be equipped with real shelters stainless sheets with aluminum cloth keeping them together and Sheep wool insulation inside. 3)NEXT they should have O2 canisters to breath. The Fire stole their oxygen. 4)NEXT they should have a couple of Steel cable kites to locate themselves to aircraft. 5)NEXT Hotshots should have access to aircraft channel and aircraft should have to monitor it and air channels. This is NOT a Climate change issue it IS a 50 Year Buildup of Unburnt Fuel Issue. The video Chris MacKenzie made in the black showed the flame front moving slowly giving them the false impression they had a lot of time to reach the Ranch Safety area. No one could forecast the speed of the flame front that switched directions and moved so quickly to cut them off from the Ranch. Possibly if they had 4X4's they might have been able to reach it in time and GPS might have located their position to aircraft. It is a rare event where a cyclone and anticyclone wrap around and drive winds faster than most downdrafts.
@Annie497 A Few of your points are taken but out of context to mine. A Waterdrop would have protected them for the entire period because it makes the brush impossible to reignite or burn at all. IF ERIC HAD KEPT TO THE RIDGE TO MOVE TO THE RANCH HE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR OF FIRE MOVEMENT and Stopped everyone and had time to turn around. I agree these current Fire shelters are useless and worse a false sense of Protection and Security. A New design possibly with some of my suggestions may have protected them. A small O2 canister in the shelter would be protected from 2000Degree heat until it doesn't matter anymore and that is total death and destruction so your point is irrelevant. It could have kept them breathing through the burn over. Even with these lousy shelters they were mostly still intact over the bodies and their radios were intact proving an O2 canister would have been as well. O2 tanks are NOT HIGHLY FLAMMABLE. O2 is but the tanks are built as all pressure tanks to survive extreme pressures.If they were to explode the people are already dead. I never proposed a New Lookout position but moving from one position to another via a Ridge which maintains eyes on the fire.
@Annie497 It is pointless to present facts to you as you have made up your mind and do not read what I have said so this is the last post to you. The ridge was NOT in the black and did not go around the ranch but ended 300 feet farther from the most direct route to the Ranch. Eric did not choose that option. O2 bottles exploding are irrelevant at that point because they would be dead before that. I read the Coroners Reports and the condition of shelters as seen by the first person on seen said they were mostly intact. I was a trained Meteorologist and a Water drop does kill a fire where it hits but they never received a drop on their position.
ThinRedLine Seriously!? These are FIREFIGHTERS!! They’re not shooting a documentary for your entertainment!!! Zooming out to better please you is the LAST thing on their mind! They’re desperately searching for their fellow brothers and sisters that they all personally know and have worked along side of!! They’re trying to hold their shit together, and hoping they just lost communication! At the same time, the sickening reality that the same crew they had all sat and ate breakfast with earlier are now burned to a crisp under last chance deployment shelters!!” And you ask them to zoom out next time? Why would you even suggest they think about a “ next time”? This is real life! Go to the movies if you want good cinematography. Unbelievable.
Oh Natalie, chillax. The critique was made to the folks who posted this video. If they can edit the sound to not divulge pertinent information and blackout video that is too sensitive to show they can damn well edit out jittery footage that has no visual value. It's not the paramedics who are expected to be better gopro users but the UA-cam channel that posted it to be better curators.
10:45 my jaw dropped hearing that transmission. No medical treatment needed.
Rest in peace guys you are true American Heros
As a former hotshot, I revisit this video, to honor my brothers. R.I.P. boys. God bless your families and friends.
10:50 What a horrible transmission to have to make.
GOD BLESS YOU GUYS FOR TRYING TO HELP THEM !!!
RIP
Brother
Navajo scouts wildland fire fighting with much love
Remembering the 19 today.
Adams Brew yes
This was heartbreaking. 🕇❤
as a blue ridge hotshot i gotta say it was a honor to fight GM last fire with them 19X19 GMIHC
Julian, I want to thank you for all that you do. I'm a Firefighter/Deputy Sheriff from Ohio, we're can I obtain a copy of this video, unedited?
Thank you and God Bless
I never knew what a hotshot was and now I know they are true heroes brave men.
11:57 You can hear the cameraman let out a sigh as he realizes that nobody survived.
Maybe it was a sigh of relief. Maybe one of the deceased owed him money...
@@traviscoates6878oh that's nice.
Dumbass.
@@traviscoates6878 keep ya Fuckn mental illness too yourself ....
@@traviscoates6878 your mom should've swallowed you instead of having you here wasting our oxygen....🤬
@@traviscoates6878 what ever or whom ever gave birth to you should've swallowed you Instead
"FUCK!" at 10:58 says it all. R.I.P GM19.
I really wish that the videos, audio recordings, incident reports, weather reports, and interviews were all publicly available with no editing or censoring done to them. I understand that they don't want to show it because of the trauma it may have on the families and it is a dead firefighter you are looking at that has probably been burned to death, but it would allow us some insight into why they ended up there and how their deployment went.
If it were my body lying there I would want every detail they can find from weather patterns in the area all the way down to how far my left boot was from my right one and exactly how far away my tool ended up to be published in an easily accessible manner to prevent it from happening in the future.
The only way we can prevent this from happening again is to learn, but if information is suppressed and censored we can't learn the full lesson and it makes their sacrifice that much worse.
@MEwithoutYEW he doesnt cover it ,its censored.
They say 18 confirmed dead toward the end of this video - yet every report I’ve seen claims 19 died. do you know what that’s about? Just a miscount?
I can guarantee you that those who've needed to see it have seen it as have those whose training and future deployments depend on this type of information. That being said, to see it requires a certain reverence, solemnity, and grasp of what it all means... if you think this is wrong, then look at what happened with the Kobe Bryant photos and the LA Sheriff's Department...an embarrassment to that agency
losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/05/08/vanessa-bryant-sues-lasd-over-kobe-crash-scene-photos-shared-by-deputies-report-says/
That should explain it...
These are tough. But it was hell there. www.dropbox.com/sh/fg416vjqt14afu3/zaTuOp4Plu
Absolutely heartbreaking!!!
It's heartbreaking to know that their shelters could only withstand heat up to 500 degrees. The fire was over 2,000 degrees. those poor men never had a chance.
Someone needs to design a better shelter system for these poor heros. they died an unimaginable death trying to help others....it simply isn't fair. there has to be a better way to protect these men!
@@jasonr.9520 how does one die in a wild fire ? Does the smoke get to you or the flames?
Like after it consumes the area , do you catch on fire ? Insane death
@@MattCampbelification superheated gasses is usually what does it. One breath of that stuff will melt your airways and cause suffocation
@@jasonr.9520 these shelters arent meant to be deployed in heavy fuels like they were. When you go through training to fight wildland fires you are taught to find good deployment sites and to avoid entrapment in the first place
Looking at this 8/1/2020😢😢😢
Man oh man....to hear we are deploying are shelters knowing that is the last resort to possibly surviving... (Tears man Tears)....
THEY WHERE HEROES TO ME ALL FIREMEN ARE! 19 ANGELS FEWY TO GODS ARMS
I actually think you did a good job blocking out the scene of the 18 hotshot who passed away there to show respect RIP brothers we got this from here watch over us and future firefighters
19
The further they go the more awful and G-d forsaken that place is. The total example of the Valley of the Shadow of Death. G-d bless the lost men as well as these that wanted above all else to rescue their friends.
I hiked the Memorial trail, I just don't see the purpose of loosing these great men. Buildings are replaced everyday....not husband's and father's ... RIP
They weren't even moving to defend any property, so that's a statement not backed by the facts.
@@kingduckfordEric,s ego couldn't understand the information Jesse was pleading, Politics I believe...?.Eric, Not able to see That being in the Black was Not a weakness..... Sorry I get Upset, comprehending what would of happened had Jesse, Told Eric.... I'm Not COMPROMISING The CREW....WE Are going To Stand Firm. Sit back and observe the Fires behaviors. 2 Reports Never Ask Tough questions.... #19. Amen. A Laguna Hotshot 88
Who was granite ic?
Why did Granite Mountain leave the safe black?
I have seen and heard many comments about these firefighters dying as a result of poor decision making, foolish pride, or outright stupidity. I can understand why when presented with some of what we consider to be facts would draw such a conclusion. Perhaps the most important fact of all is that we weren't there. We don't know what info they had and didn't have. I think they were in a dangerous business, and ended up in a situation that unfortunately for them, there was no getting out of. They also most probably died nightmarish deaths, I can't imagine what it must have been like for them. May they rest in peace.
Great comment! I think some of that is because they were already in the black, and they probably should have stayed where they were. On the other hand these guys are risk takers, and they wanted to help fight this fire...so that's probably why they took off to where they ended up passing. The fire blew up and just overtook them.. Very sad. I agree they had to have died horrible, painful hellish deaths. Have you read the 1st hand account from the couple that had a ranch about 1mi. To 1.5 mi. from where these guys died? Unbelievable story!! The couple survived in the ranch as the fire blew over. If the guys had a little more time and they would have been able to haul, they would have made it to that ranch and survived. Sad all the way around. These fires are so unpredictable, and create their own weather systems that you really just can't predict anything. 🙏❤️
The reason they are all saying that is because the official report said so.
I just read the first 75 comments and not a single one said they died because of stupidity or poor decision making. Get off your high horse
In talking with other firefighters I work with the only thing that makes sense is the smoke was just too much where they were at and it was a decision call that no one expected. Once Granite Mountain started down that hill to escape zone the fire had started spreading even faster than anyone thought and they lost sight of the fire. This incident just goes to show even the most simple fire can turn deadly and you can never predict what a fire will do. Rest in Peace Granite Mountain 19❤️
@@Mcdouble123so let the report say that then, there’s nothing to be gained by people on the internet taking hard stances on a situation literally none of them will ever truly understand.
5 years ago today #RIP #GraniteMountainHotshots
10 years, and they still died because of bad decision making.
They filmed the bodies as well but they blacked it out. I think they should of showed the bodies so people know this shit ain’t a joke. 1 min your alive the next your vaporized. RIP boys
Don’t disguise your gore fetish as some necessary educational drivel
Oh FFS!🙄
@Annie497 `maybe some do because in my public records it is disturbing where they inventoried and what they placed on that sheet ... so maybe some of us do ... I will let the F B I help process this out --- I contacted them Dec 2022.
True
@@Arizona_Desert_Walker what???
Rip brother
So the reason that the last 2 plus minutes were blacked out, was because this crew came up on the deployment site?
crusaders69 I think so. Press reports said that there were firefighters bodies on the helmet cam footage.
Ok, thanks for the reply. What press report?
crusaders69 pressure points out of Arizona news stations when the helmet cam footage came out. One of the stations newscaster said that the helmet cam video reportedly showed pictures of the firefighters bodies. That is why I think some of the footage is black and out for a couple different parts
After reading their autopsy reports, trust me. You wouldn’t want to see it.
@@anechoicsoulBut I'd like to see. You can tell several of them were in pugilistic positions because flags were raised like a little tent, while others were prostrate.
sad.
Line out in peace my fellow brothers 🙏 GMH 6/30/13 #NEVERFORGETGRANITEMOUNTAIN
That is so sad and tragic. I remember that day.
The amazing thing is these brave hot shots gave their lives yet the firefighters in Lahaina Maui stood by and sent people back into the flames. Congratulations to the Arizona hotshots thumbs down to the Maui Hawaii firefighters.
Heros all of them especially the dead
12:05 upper left corner
You can see the shelters. I'm almost positive this is them as the other firefighters are off to the right looking that way.
It appears to be several fire shelters huddled together
Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a bunch of weird rocks.
Start at 12:04 put it at .25x and go frame by frame
Yes i see it and i think you are right it def looks like the shelters and is a long as those bodies would have been its not rocks there is no way
@@troyleenewgent9013 it's really quick and you have to time it just right. It absolutely has to be frame by frame or pauseplaypauseplay.
But as long as someone else sees what I'm looking at, I'm good with it.
I just watched it like 6 times that’s 100% their shelters. Good catch
I think you can see it clearly at 12:13.
Being the person who picked up the bodies had to be heartbreaking...
Thought I would hear some emotion from these people, I would be throwing up and ughhhhhhhh 😢💔
I heard it , saying a few missives under their breath after they heard 18 confirmed - obviously in shock and hasn’t completely sunk in, which isn’t surprising.
The one guy said fuck. And the other kinda coughed a little like he was choking up. I’m sure the entirety of the situation hadn’t quite set in.
It's called shock. You obviously haven't lost anyone in a tragic way.
I have been on fires were we were helpless and listened to such radio traffic. You don't see what happens when the crew is alone off the line. That is when we mourn our brothers and sisters. Its a very private affair to be honest. We comfort the living, mourn the dead and learn from the past. The next morning we wake and go to the line. Its a harsh reality of that line of work.. I know one of the Brave men that found the deployment site. I promise you on my children, there was emotion.
Rip bothers we get from here now witch over use 🖤
For anyone interested 3:59 is the right turn from the Dozer line to Sesame Street.
Line Out In Peace GMH
Granite Mountain Hotshots.
19 brave heroes that we lost on June 30 2013. I pay to god. Every day I thank about 19 brave heroes.
5:20 original Granite Hills crew carriers parking area.
Around 4:30 why are they cutting it out
blazing k in respect to the family
Shows the bodies on video. They redacted it out of respect for the family and in the name of common decency
blazing k how did they come up with the videos? 19men didn't survive the fires but the footage was undamaged and recovered? And it was only turned over for viewing after filing for the rights to see it? 🤔
Califas .....really..this is obviously a rescue crew that went in after the fire tore through the area...dont be a dummy
Zak Grady so this footage on this video is from a different crew filming the aftermath of the already decreased hotspots crew?
You can see the shelters when he zooms in
It said 18 confirmed i thought 19 died during the fire
They did. However before they figured out that all 19 were dead, they heard a radio going and they thought that there might still be one person left alive in the bunch. All of them were confirmed dead later. There was simply a radio that they had that was still functional.
These HEROES tried to move from the black to their Safety Ranch and Got caught by the racing flame front.1) A new Watchout should be created to ALWAYS keep Eyes on the Fire and Stay on the Ridge if at all Possible instead of losing Sight of the fire in Canyons or draws. 2)Also they should be equipped with real shelters stainless sheets with aluminum cloth keeping them together and Sheep wool insulation inside. 3)NEXT they should have O2 canisters to breath. The Fire stole their oxygen. 4)NEXT they should have a couple of Steel cable kites to locate themselves to aircraft. 5)NEXT Hotshots should have access to aircraft channel and aircraft should have to monitor it and air channels. This is NOT a Climate change issue it IS a 50 Year Buildup of Unburnt Fuel Issue. The video Chris MacKenzie made in the black showed the flame front moving slowly giving them the false impression they had a lot of time to reach the Ranch Safety area. No one could forecast the speed of the flame front that switched directions and moved so quickly to cut them off from the Ranch. Possibly if they had 4X4's they might have been able to reach it in time and GPS might have located their position to aircraft. It is a rare event where a cyclone and anticyclone wrap around and drive winds faster than most downdrafts.
@Annie497 A Few of your points are taken but out of context to mine. A Waterdrop would have protected them for the entire period because it makes the brush impossible to reignite or burn at all. IF ERIC HAD KEPT TO THE RIDGE TO MOVE TO THE RANCH HE WOULD HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR OF FIRE MOVEMENT and Stopped everyone and had time to turn around. I agree these current Fire shelters are useless and worse a false sense of Protection and Security. A New design possibly with some of my suggestions may have protected them. A small O2 canister in the shelter would be protected from 2000Degree heat until it doesn't matter anymore and that is total death and destruction so your point is irrelevant. It could have kept them breathing through the burn over. Even with these lousy shelters they were mostly still intact over the bodies and their radios were intact proving an O2 canister would have been as well. O2 tanks are NOT HIGHLY FLAMMABLE. O2 is but the tanks are built as all pressure tanks to survive extreme pressures.If they were to explode the people are already dead. I never proposed a New Lookout position but moving from one position to another via a Ridge which maintains eyes on the fire.
@Annie497 It is pointless to present facts to you as you have made up your mind and do not read what I have said so this is the last post to you. The ridge was NOT in the black and did not go around the ranch but ended 300 feet farther from the most direct route to the Ranch. Eric did not choose that option. O2 bottles exploding are irrelevant at that point because they would be dead before that. I read the Coroners Reports and the condition of shelters as seen by the first person on seen said they were mostly intact. I was a trained Meteorologist and a Water drop does kill a fire where it hits but they never received a drop on their position.
Too many chiefs
Not enough Indians
Breakdown of communication all the way around combined with that radical weather created the perfect storm
Zoom out next time please
ThinRedLine idk about you but I'd rather there not be a next time
ThinRedLine Seriously!? These are FIREFIGHTERS!! They’re not shooting a documentary for your entertainment!!! Zooming out to better please you is the LAST thing on their mind! They’re desperately searching for their fellow brothers and sisters that they all personally know and have worked along side of!! They’re trying to hold their shit together, and hoping they just lost communication! At the same time, the sickening reality that the same crew they had all sat and ate breakfast with earlier are now burned to a crisp under last chance deployment shelters!!” And you ask them to zoom out next time? Why would you even suggest they think about a “ next time”? This is real life! Go to the movies if you want good cinematography. Unbelievable.
Oh Natalie, chillax. The critique was made to the folks who posted this video. If they can edit the sound to not divulge pertinent information and blackout video that is too sensitive to show they can damn well edit out jittery footage that has no visual value. It's not the paramedics who are expected to be better gopro users but the UA-cam channel that posted it to be better curators.
oceandrew My bad... sorry. My man was there.... and ready to go to Cali now. I get overly defensive... ✌🏼
Natalie, your man was on the Yarnell Hill fire or with Granite Mountain Hotshots?
J