SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying.....
Jeff, I just have to say, when a new video of yours pops up in my subscription feed, I get a little too overly sense of ease. I think, “ oh yes, just good vibes and positivity and I’m going to learn something interesting”. Thank you for all of your hard work. I wish you and your family a wonderful holiday season and wish you all the best for the new year. Keep it up!
Yeah, for bulk storage you still can't beat the price of HDDs yet. But M.2 and Sata based SSDs are close enough in price now you can lump the two together. How long until you get an m.2 based one of these?
@@LockonKubi - It depends on capacity? Anything under 1 terabyte, SSDs are actually cheaper because of base component costs, but above 2 terabytes, HDDs are often less than half the cost per terabyte, sometimes as low as 1/3rd or even 1/4th the cost.
Sata isn't really dying... There aren't affordable NVMe drives above 4TB, but you can get affordable 20TB SATA hard drives. Maybe SATA SSDs are dying, but for "Bulk slow storage" it's still pretty alive.
Yep. I recently was browsing the internet comparing prices and wondering what drives I wanna use for a small home server. Something small around 20TB... Even going with the cheapest SSDs, by the time I reached 20TB of SSD storage within a reasonable number of drives I could have gotten 60-70TB of spinning rust.. Uhm, no, thank you...
@@shapelessed yep. I got a pair of 12tb hgst refurbished Enterprise drives for 120 last year for my home nas. Plenty fast enough for storing videos and documents.
Love to see it. I just put together a NAS with a Pi 5 and a Radxa Penta SATA hat thanks to your videos and guides. I already had the psu and some drives lying around so it was the perfect inexpensive solution. Great content!
I'm still holding out hope someone designs a drop-in board with 3.5" spacing and either adapters to mount it in old NAS enclosures, or uses some standard that many of the NAS vendors use for the spacing and mounting... Would be cool to buy an old NAS for like $30 on eBay, or get one free from e-waste, and pop in a Pi and Taco, and have the full enclosure working out of the box!
With how large 3.5’s are I honestly have a hard time visualising how you’d even safely slot them in to the board. I guess some sort of horizontal mounting with drive cages holding up the drives. Feels a bit safer just requiring some number of cables between the 3.5’s and board like it essentially needs right now
This would be much more insteresting as a board with 3.5" spacing, a PWM fan header, and a gen3 switch. Though that said, you are quickly getting to the point that a N100 NAS board is cheaper.
I use a flatbed scanner to get a clear image of a circuit board. You get high resolution image that's properly focused, if the components aren't too tall/ Then you can reduce the image size & resolution to the desired level. I scanned a lot of compents for my old websie. I still have the backup files, but mt host went away.
I'd say SATA's just getting started, you can get excellent 6-port controller cards that go in an M.2 slot. You can get hilarious amounts of SATA like that nowadays, with very cheap motherboards.
True but for these high capacity uses SAS is probably the better option. Depending on your exact needs and motherboard I can see how it'd be possible for this to win out over SAS, but generally speaking a single SAS card can get 12-24 SAS lanes each capable of 12gbps. Of course you're not going to saturate that without using splitters, but SAS is also full duplex, meaning you can be reading and writing at the same time. There just seems like way too small a niche between high capacity of SAS cards and high speed of using an NVME tbh.
Can always get/make some short SATA cables and still use this with real drives (real, in the sense that you get 30TB instead of 5TB). 5 slots would be enough for a pretty nice NAS capacity.
I find SATA still to be super handy for hobby projects and people with a smaller budget since at least on the consumer side of things, M2 slots are rare on most pieces of hardware and if those exist, things raise in pricing easily. Actually now I remember how I wanted to make my offside backup station that's sitting save in the company, eventually I went with an old Pi 3 and two spare SATA SSDs I still had which I have connected via USB. Works for me but this here is definitely cooler.
Uh, who exactly said SATA is dying? Unless motherboards started including onboard SAS controllers and I just wasn't informed, SATA ain't going nowhere.
@@Level2Jeff I'd love Sas connectors on the board with sata breakout cables instead of running a bunch of individual sata cables to them, you know without the need for a card.
BTW, PWM does not require 3 pins. The power pin is pulsed to control the rpm. The 3rd pin is the signal from the fan back to the controller to report speed.
Glad to see this product. :) I think refurb enterprise SATA SSDs are still an excellent deal and better than new consumer equivalents for people who don't need the performance or NVME or bulk storage of HDDs. I'm using them in my Proxmox Backup Server; I have a pair of 1.92 TB enterprise SSDs in a ZFS mirror that I paid $40 total for ($20 each), and each of them has a total write endurance somewhere in the 1+ PB range. :) They're not the fastest thing in the world, but the PBS server only has 2x2.5 GbE, so they're more than enough.
About five years back I did something similar for booting my TrueNAS server. I boot off of a mirror pair of 40GB Intel enterprise drives. (I’ve got 14 SATA ports so I can spare a couple.) At the time I think I got ten for ~$50 USD. It’s getting about time to go to enterprise SATA for my data disks.
A lot of recent 3.5 in HDDs are thinner than spec, i think those should work. Also, SATA isn't dead as long as HDDs aren't. HDDs are still a better $/Tb ratio than SSDs, so they'll be around for at least a bit longer.
Without a case this setup is too delicate for me. I think i saw a video where someone 3D printed an aluminum case for this but it didn't really clamp down on the drives at all.
Many M.2 drives can be run without a heatsync, however pretty much all 2.5" drives require some form of moving air if they are not using a case as a heatsync which is how most enclosed laptops work.
They have been predicting the death of SATA for almost 20 years now. The last time I spoke with HDD vendors, they suggested that SATA will continue to be around likely for at least the next decade. Yes, for home computes M.2 or similar interconnects will rule the roost, but for enterprise or datacenters SATA still holds a lot of control as it is both cheap and can be plugged into an external backplane. And unless HDD vendors want to do NVMe for rotating media, I just can't see them going away. Not to mention that NVMe adds cost to the drives, which is the primary reason that SCSI/SAS never booted ATA/SATA out of the market.
Are you sure they meant compatibility with a Raspberry Pi CM5, not a Radxa CM5? I'm not, because from a short search I could not find compatibility info on either of those... Hardware wise I really want this, it seems so much better than the Penta SATA HAT, but the hardware compatibility questions... not even getting to software support... oof.
I meant more for SATA SSDs. HDDs will persist for a while. the SSDs will probably dwindle to only a few cheaper models as NVMe and a variety of formats (including U.2 which has come down in price, quite a bit) make their way into everything.
This is a very small suggestion but on the side close up cam the Aperture seems to be a little too low that the board is out of focus while your hand is sharp.
Yeah, still working on the ideal fix for that; even at f/8 or f/11 the focus can be a problem. I wish Sony had "PCB tracking" - it seems to prefer faces, hands, etc. instead of computers!
@@Level2Jeff that was with such a low aperture?? You must be blinded by your studio lights :D Idk if this would work but maybe one can abuse the face registration feature (at least the sony a7iii has it not sure about others) to make it focus on a pcb 🤔
Strange they have asmedia switch but use jmicron for sata. Not dying when 30 and 32TB drives just released. I would have liked to see a new sata standard though that included higher bandwidth and different cable ends. The current one's are so archaic compared to something like USB C.
I'd love to run TrueNAS on something like this for offsite backups and it would be epic if there was a CM board with an IT mode HBA that could take 3, 6 or 12 3.5" drives! I guess OMV works until TrueNAS decides to figure out ARM!
I don't think I would try to stand a 3.5" HDD vertically on its connector. The weight of most HDDs is something like 1.5lbs if I recall correctly and the likelyhood of breaking the connector on the drive or the board is very high!!!!
These Nvmes nowadays have a terrible pci-lanes to stored-gb ratio. we oftentimes don't need the speed Nvmes provide, but a big amount of fast enough sata ssd storage.
wait, MX500 is being RETIRED?! damnit. I'm gonna have to find a new SATA SSD model to put in my infinite build ideas lol. (only half joking on the last part)
wait what?, SATA is a dying tech?, do we have 16tb ssd/nvme's already? and can any of you get me a 8tb ssd for less than 200 bucks? lol, i know, i know, SATA is dead as a "main stream" technology, great video as always!!!
They spaced out the SATA so there is room to stack 3.5" drives, but then they put components in the way of plugging them in directly? That's... tragic.
If M2 ssds run faster your defeating the perpas is a raid controller it would have been nice to be able to hook up a 4 20 TB hard drives to have affordable storage for a gaming server .
@@Level2Jeff Thanks, I know that. I've been commenting the same thing on your videos for the last 5 years lol. I mean the real ECC that also protects the link between memory and CPU and reports detected errors. Real ECC is not server only. Someone could build an CM5 compatible module with ECC memory. I am waiting/looking for that. Especially with anything that looks like a NAS.
Using the Raspberry Pi 5 as a NAS seems a great idea but one question I have is would hardware RAID offer better performance than software RAID? I’d have thought so…
It may, in some cases, but the difference is very small these days, with the CPU in a Pi 5. Hardware RAID can have a few small benefits in some niche use cases, but check out Level1Techs' video on hardware RAID being dead for some interesting insights!
hardware raid stopped providing "better performance than software RAID" a long time ago. Mainly because "hardware raid" is just "software raid running on a small dedicated CPU on a card". Nowadays it's mostly for better convenience or reliability than Windows own software raid, or to boot Windows from RAID.
In my very simple understanding of RAID, I thought that the PCIe on the Pi 5 would be a bottleneck ultimately as it does its magic writing data across the drives. I assumed that slower writing of this data across drives (amongst other checks) would also increase load on the CPU whereas with hardware RAID you just send the data to it and as far as the Pi 5 was concerned, job done. Obviously I’m wrong :D Thanks for the replies, appreciate the time taken to answer my question :)
SATA is far superior to NVME right now. How many SATA drives can you use on a current motherboard? How many NVME? Until CPUs have more lanes, which doesnt appear to be anytime soon, SATA is KING!
You cant just recompile stuff and expect it to work. There's a lot of features in TrueNAS that are only build for x86 like vms and containers and iX systems has no incentive to port and optimise all of that for arm.
@@artemis1825 Sir I'd like to inform you that iXsystems aren't developing thise features themselves, and both virtualization (KVM/Qemu) and containers (docker/LXC) work on a raspberry 4/5 as it has a aarch64 arm CPU. There are people that managed to manually install TrueNAS Scale on a raspberry but there are some rough edges
@@artemis1825 If you want ZFS and other NAS goodness then this has potential. The addition of VMs, Containers, Docker etc etc on a NAS is putting far too many eggs in to one basket and is not a NAS.
@@Level2Jeff yes and I hate it so much when motherboards put 3-4 pcie slots with 1 gen 5 but cheapout on the actual pcie layout. It'd be so much nicer if I just had only pcie slots and no nvme and proper bifurcation support. Then if I did need nvme I could plop in a cheap carrier board.
Not in this case - I've run iperf3 between different computers on the network (including my 25 Gbps servers) and there's never been an issue on the Mac Studio itself, or through my desktop Mikrotik switch... My best guess is the Realtek driver built into the 6.6.y kernel the Pi ships with (Pi OS 12) is a little funky.
See I just cant give a crap if its not available. I have Scarcity exhaustion. F these companies. Don't announce it if its not available. Intel appears to have just pulled the old bait and switch the B580. Prices jacking up for a card that is barely worth 250.
SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying. SATA is not dying.....
All of 3.5 hard working spinnies shall never retire
@@HksF16 SAS
@@Adam130694 Long live SAS.
If SAS took over from SATA at SATA price levels…
@@williamp6800this and we all know its not happing so long live sata
Jeff, I just have to say, when a new video of yours pops up in my subscription feed, I get a little too overly sense of ease. I think, “ oh yes, just good vibes and positivity and I’m going to learn something interesting”. Thank you for all of your hard work. I wish you and your family a wonderful holiday season and wish you all the best for the new year. Keep it up!
I still stand with SATA.
Hard drives will give it a long life yet!
Yeah, for bulk storage you still can't beat the price of HDDs yet. But M.2 and Sata based SSDs are close enough in price now you can lump the two together. How long until you get an m.2 based one of these?
@@LockonKubi Once the pi actually gets some PCIE lanes. That's the main limiting factor for more NVME. that and the CPU grunt to shift all that data.
@@Cynyr The cm3588 NAS kit devices break down to four m.2 sockets of PCIe3x1, not exactly wonderful, but if cheap enough...
@@LockonKubi - It depends on capacity? Anything under 1 terabyte, SSDs are actually cheaper because of base component costs, but above 2 terabytes, HDDs are often less than half the cost per terabyte, sometimes as low as 1/3rd or even 1/4th the cost.
Sata isn't really dying... There aren't affordable NVMe drives above 4TB, but you can get affordable 20TB SATA hard drives. Maybe SATA SSDs are dying, but for "Bulk slow storage" it's still pretty alive.
Yep. I recently was browsing the internet comparing prices and wondering what drives I wanna use for a small home server. Something small around 20TB...
Even going with the cheapest SSDs, by the time I reached 20TB of SSD storage within a reasonable number of drives I could have gotten 60-70TB of spinning rust..
Uhm, no, thank you...
@@shapelessed yep. I got a pair of 12tb hgst refurbished Enterprise drives for 120 last year for my home nas. Plenty fast enough for storing videos and documents.
Love to see it. I just put together a NAS with a Pi 5 and a Radxa Penta SATA hat thanks to your videos and guides. I already had the psu and some drives lying around so it was the perfect inexpensive solution. Great content!
Not spacing them for 3.5 is such an own goal
I'm still holding out hope someone designs a drop-in board with 3.5" spacing and either adapters to mount it in old NAS enclosures, or uses some standard that many of the NAS vendors use for the spacing and mounting...
Would be cool to buy an old NAS for like $30 on eBay, or get one free from e-waste, and pop in a Pi and Taco, and have the full enclosure working out of the box!
@@Level2Jeff can you check if it holds slim 3.5" drives? you may not get a lot of capacity, but would be a cool proyect if you already have them!
@@Level2Jeff That's why I'm still sitting on 2 ancient but beautiful LaCie 5big Network 2 boxes .... so I can MAYBE fit a RasPi in there one day...
Agreed, if it was spaced for 3.5in I would have a couple. I need one for home, and one for my mom's
With how large 3.5’s are I honestly have a hard time visualising how you’d even safely slot them in to the board. I guess some sort of horizontal mounting with drive cages holding up the drives. Feels a bit safer just requiring some number of cables between the 3.5’s and board like it essentially needs right now
This would be much more insteresting as a board with 3.5" spacing, a PWM fan header, and a gen3 switch. Though that said, you are quickly getting to the point that a N100 NAS board is cheaper.
We need Level 3 Jeff to show us photoshopping the thumbnail
Jeffception
I just crop and resize in Paint.
I use a flatbed scanner to get a clear image of a circuit board. You get high resolution image that's properly focused, if the components aren't too tall/ Then you can reduce the image size & resolution to the desired level. I scanned a lot of compents for my old websie. I still have the backup files, but mt host went away.
That little thumbnail making tip at the end was handy for all the UA-cam creator newbies out there!
Gotta get things in focus!
even with headphones the heating system is barely noticeable. no need to apologize for it.
A sad death for the MX500. It got enshittified with Crucial swapping controllers, flash and dram cache.
Damn.
Since when
I'd say SATA's just getting started, you can get excellent 6-port controller cards that go in an M.2 slot. You can get hilarious amounts of SATA like that nowadays, with very cheap motherboards.
True but for these high capacity uses SAS is probably the better option. Depending on your exact needs and motherboard I can see how it'd be possible for this to win out over SAS, but generally speaking a single SAS card can get 12-24 SAS lanes each capable of 12gbps. Of course you're not going to saturate that without using splitters, but SAS is also full duplex, meaning you can be reading and writing at the same time.
There just seems like way too small a niche between high capacity of SAS cards and high speed of using an NVME tbh.
3:10 totally could use SATA extension cables (yes they have data+power versions)
This interface is hot.
"I do my best!"
Can always get/make some short SATA cables and still use this with real drives (real, in the sense that you get 30TB instead of 5TB). 5 slots would be enough for a pretty nice NAS capacity.
I find SATA still to be super handy for hobby projects and people with a smaller budget since at least on the consumer side of things, M2 slots are rare on most pieces of hardware and if those exist, things raise in pricing easily.
Actually now I remember how I wanted to make my offside backup station that's sitting save in the company, eventually I went with an old Pi 3 and two spare SATA SSDs I still had which I have connected via USB. Works for me but this here is definitely cooler.
Uh, who exactly said SATA is dying? Unless motherboards started including onboard SAS controllers and I just wasn't informed, SATA ain't going nowhere.
Ooh now that's an idea! Get SAS everywhere!
@@Level2Jeff I'd love Sas connectors on the board with sata breakout cables instead of running a bunch of individual sata cables to them, you know without the need for a card.
my mobo might have 2 nvme slots but it has an additional 4 sata slots. Why would i not want Sata Drives avaiable in this reality?
BTW, PWM does not require 3 pins. The power pin is pulsed to control the rpm. The 3rd pin is the signal from the fan back to the controller to report speed.
True; though most of the better fans (especially quieter ones) seem to like 4-pin PWM instead of just chopping the voltage.
Glad to see this product. :)
I think refurb enterprise SATA SSDs are still an excellent deal and better than new consumer equivalents for people who don't need the performance or NVME or bulk storage of HDDs. I'm using them in my Proxmox Backup Server; I have a pair of 1.92 TB enterprise SSDs in a ZFS mirror that I paid $40 total for ($20 each), and each of them has a total write endurance somewhere in the 1+ PB range. :)
They're not the fastest thing in the world, but the PBS server only has 2x2.5 GbE, so they're more than enough.
Where the heck did you buy those SSDs from for 20 bucks each??
About five years back I did something similar for booting my TrueNAS server. I boot off of a mirror pair of 40GB Intel enterprise drives. (I’ve got 14 SATA ports so I can spare a couple.)
At the time I think I got ten for ~$50 USD.
It’s getting about time to go to enterprise SATA for my data disks.
A lot of recent 3.5 in HDDs are thinner than spec, i think those should work.
Also, SATA isn't dead as long as HDDs aren't. HDDs are still a better $/Tb ratio than SSDs, so they'll be around for at least a bit longer.
Without a case this setup is too delicate for me. I think i saw a video where someone 3D printed an aluminum case for this but it didn't really clamp down on the drives at all.
Can confirm that your process at the end made an a-okay thumb nail! 👍
Just don't look too closely at the arm haha
I hope SATA is around for a while I need it for archives
It will be great if we have something like that but wider and higher power rail , a quick 4/5bay nas 😂
SATA ForEver!! Sata will never die.
Many M.2 drives can be run without a heatsync, however pretty much all 2.5" drives require some form of moving air if they are not using a case as a heatsync which is how most enclosed laptops work.
sata m.2 is lower power than nvme m.2. For use cases where watts matter more that megabytes per second (small rpi home servers?) sata is still king
They have been predicting the death of SATA for almost 20 years now. The last time I spoke with HDD vendors, they suggested that SATA will continue to be around likely for at least the next decade. Yes, for home computes M.2 or similar interconnects will rule the roost, but for enterprise or datacenters SATA still holds a lot of control as it is both cheap and can be plugged into an external backplane. And unless HDD vendors want to do NVMe for rotating media, I just can't see them going away. Not to mention that NVMe adds cost to the drives, which is the primary reason that SCSI/SAS never booted ATA/SATA out of the market.
Are you sure they meant compatibility with a Raspberry Pi CM5, not a Radxa CM5?
I'm not, because from a short search I could not find compatibility info on either of those...
Hardware wise I really want this, it seems so much better than the Penta SATA HAT, but the hardware compatibility questions... not even getting to software support... oof.
Yeah, their own shop page mentions Radxa CM3 and RPI CM4.
1:52 I *hate* those connectors.
I also hate the overuse of blue LEDs. :P
I don't forsee a death for sata any time soon, honestly. This seems like a pretty hot take.
I meant more for SATA SSDs. HDDs will persist for a while. the SSDs will probably dwindle to only a few cheaper models as NVMe and a variety of formats (including U.2 which has come down in price, quite a bit) make their way into everything.
Cm5 itx board please? With GPU support?
This is a very small suggestion but on the side close up cam the Aperture seems to be a little too low that the board is out of focus while your hand is sharp.
Yeah, still working on the ideal fix for that; even at f/8 or f/11 the focus can be a problem. I wish Sony had "PCB tracking" - it seems to prefer faces, hands, etc. instead of computers!
@@Level2Jeff that was with such a low aperture?? You must be blinded by your studio lights :D
Idk if this would work but maybe one can abuse the face registration feature (at least the sony a7iii has it not sure about others) to make it focus on a pcb 🤔
Strange they have asmedia switch but use jmicron for sata. Not dying when 30 and 32TB drives just released. I would have liked to see a new sata standard though that included higher bandwidth and different cable ends. The current one's are so archaic compared to something like USB C.
Would great to see a SAS board. Used drives go for reasonable prices.
Some of Seagate's newer hard drive revisions seem to be slightly thinner, I wonder if they'll fit.
I should try to pick up a few slim 3.5" drives!
just a confirmation, does this thing support the 5tb 2.5'' drives too? They are 15mm "thick" so they are non-standard size
It seems those would fit
I'd love to run TrueNAS on something like this for offsite backups and it would be epic if there was a CM board with an IT mode HBA that could take 3, 6 or 12 3.5" drives! I guess OMV works until TrueNAS decides to figure out ARM!
Can you use extension cables for the 3.5“ drive?😀
Some people have tested them, I'm not sure how many you can power safely off here, but at least a few.
it occurs to me that a 12" x 12" mirror "tile" from Menards or Lowes could give a view of the reverse side of a two-sided board like this one.
Like was used in TV repair since the '50s?
I don't think I would try to stand a 3.5" HDD vertically on its connector. The weight of most HDDs is something like 1.5lbs if I recall correctly and the likelyhood of breaking the connector on the drive or the board is very high!!!!
I like SATA because power comes from the PSU, so if the mobo fails it's less likely to affect your storage. Also, M-Disc.
Good thumbnail
Do you use any ham repeaters on the Illinois side? Either way, what is the RX frequency of your favorite repeater.
These Nvmes nowadays have a terrible pci-lanes to stored-gb ratio. we oftentimes don't need the speed Nvmes provide, but a big amount of fast enough sata ssd storage.
wait, MX500 is being RETIRED?! damnit. I'm gonna have to find a new SATA SSD model to put in my infinite build ideas lol.
(only half joking on the last part)
Some HDs are 20mm rather than the 26.2mm of most
Sata will stick around for use in NAS
For anyone else in the midwest, "taco" rhymes with "clock," not "hat" heh
wait what?, SATA is a dying tech?, do we have 16tb ssd/nvme's already? and can any of you get me a 8tb ssd for less than 200 bucks? lol, i know, i know, SATA is dead as a "main stream" technology, great video as always!!!
They spaced out the SATA so there is room to stack 3.5" drives, but then they put components in the way of plugging them in directly? That's... tragic.
At work I probably purchased 50 MX500s.
Then there's me, with my Pi4 running OMV and 2x 3TB HDDs plugged in with USB ☹️🙃
If it works, it works!
Not my beloved MX500 😭
If M2 ssds run faster your defeating the perpas is a raid controller it would have been nice to be able to hook up a 4 20 TB hard drives to have affordable storage for a gaming server .
I swear I got a dodgy pi4 yesterday.
Ive never had to edit the config. some bs with no signal.
hey! Radxa CM5 mentioned ;)
I just ordered one for my first big project. What do you think of it? :)
It's fast, but also can be frustrating, getting it to boot the way you want (or in some cases, with the OS you want).
@@Level2Jeff Thanks! I hope I learn a lot.
Waiting for a video on how to make i-ram from old hard drives
I'll consider it if I can get a compute module with ECC RAM.
_Technically_ the CM5 has ECC, it's just LPDDR4x on-chip ECC, so not the same as a server ECC DRAM stick.
@@Level2Jeff Thanks, I know that. I've been commenting the same thing on your videos for the last 5 years lol. I mean the real ECC that also protects the link between memory and CPU and reports detected errors. Real ECC is not server only. Someone could build an CM5 compatible module with ECC memory. I am waiting/looking for that. Especially with anything that looks like a NAS.
you could have uh, found some uh, cables to uh, connect the 3.5" uh ;p
Using the Raspberry Pi 5 as a NAS seems a great idea but one question I have is would hardware RAID offer better performance than software RAID? I’d have thought so…
It may, in some cases, but the difference is very small these days, with the CPU in a Pi 5. Hardware RAID can have a few small benefits in some niche use cases, but check out Level1Techs' video on hardware RAID being dead for some interesting insights!
hardware raid stopped providing "better performance than software RAID" a long time ago. Mainly because "hardware raid" is just "software raid running on a small dedicated CPU on a card". Nowadays it's mostly for better convenience or reliability than Windows own software raid, or to boot Windows from RAID.
In my very simple understanding of RAID, I thought that the PCIe on the Pi 5 would be a bottleneck ultimately as it does its magic writing data across the drives. I assumed that slower writing of this data across drives (amongst other checks) would also increase load on the CPU whereas with hardware RAID you just send the data to it and as far as the Pi 5 was concerned, job done.
Obviously I’m wrong :D
Thanks for the replies, appreciate the time taken to answer my question :)
why is the video stuck in french!!!
I've deleted the auto translations, didn't realize UA-cam enabled those on this channel!
@@Level2Jeff lol... It happened to an ltt video too but that was stuck in Spanish, clearing cookies didn't help 🫣
Yeah! 😮😮
Waiting on your thoughts about that new Nvidia release.
Sata dying? Whats interfacing with hdd?
Can't 3.5" SATA drives because of 12V missing on the board
12V is present since the 12V power input is mandatory, though...
@Level2Jeff could you please verify that with the multimeter? Thanks
SATA is far superior to NVME right now. How many SATA drives can you use on a current motherboard? How many NVME? Until CPUs have more lanes, which doesnt appear to be anytime soon, SATA is KING!
Hey, that's not a red shirt, breaking stuff in an orange shirt?
Noooo
Not the mx500
sata will be there for another 15 years, not all motherboards all compatible with nvme.
i think dual usb5 is going to make a difference for clustering these smaller pc
thats cool UWU
Time to compile Truenas Scale for Pi! Might be a better option than the cm3588 NAS kit.
You cant just recompile stuff and expect it to work. There's a lot of features in TrueNAS that are only build for x86 like vms and containers and iX systems has no incentive to port and optimise all of that for arm.
@@artemis1825 Sir I'd like to inform you that iXsystems aren't developing thise features themselves, and both virtualization (KVM/Qemu) and containers (docker/LXC) work on a raspberry 4/5 as it has a aarch64 arm CPU. There are people that managed to manually install TrueNAS Scale on a raspberry but there are some rough edges
@@artemis1825 If you want ZFS and other NAS goodness then this has potential. The addition of VMs, Containers, Docker etc etc on a NAS is putting far too many eggs in to one basket and is not a NAS.
I hate to disconnect my gpu to reach nvme drives under them. Sata ftw! :)
That's the motherboard's fault for having it under the gpu, not necessarily a benefit for sata.
@@artemis1825 I was half joking. Still, there is not much space even on full ATX boards. So most of them are like mine.
Though it's rare to find a motherboard with a nice layout of M.2 drives!
@@Level2Jeff yes and I hate it so much when motherboards put 3-4 pcie slots with 1 gen 5 but cheapout on the actual pcie layout. It'd be so much nicer if I just had only pcie slots and no nvme and proper bifurcation support. Then if I did need nvme I could plop in a cheap carrier board.
m.2 slots on a motherboard were a mistake. We should have used adapter cards only (with heatsink and all bells and whistles)
Speed issues? Probably the Mac.
Not in this case - I've run iperf3 between different computers on the network (including my 25 Gbps servers) and there's never been an issue on the Mac Studio itself, or through my desktop Mikrotik switch...
My best guess is the Realtek driver built into the 6.6.y kernel the Pi ships with (Pi OS 12) is a little funky.
See I just cant give a crap if its not available. I have Scarcity exhaustion. F these companies. Don't announce it if its not available. Intel appears to have just pulled the old bait and switch the B580. Prices jacking up for a card that is barely worth 250.
no sata bye bye computers hello ai spying garbage with windows 11
Pure garbage