The Scourging of the Shire
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The Scourging of the Shire
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I don't know why people with no ideas think they can improve on someone else's.
I wish they didn’t have any ideas so they didn’t get bad ideas about changing existing stories.
They aren't trying to improve they are trying to Virtue signal.
@@admirekashiri9879 As is with most SJW's.
They know they can't improve on the original. That isn't the intention. The objective is taking advantage of a literary masterpiece with a huge number of followers that's embedded in the collective unconscious, and use it as a vehicle to broadcast a sociopolitical agenda to the masses. It's cultural engineering.
They're either stupid or malicious
As Tolkien would say: "Evil cannot create, only corrupt"
and proceed to draw parallels between our current time and the Fall of Numenor.
I'd agree, but what about black metal? People are creating songs that are sometimes evil. Anyone else got an insight on this?
@@thesplendor8654 you can call it a corruption of pure music. Evil corrupts it doesn't create this is Abrahamic doctrine though, the Devil corrupts he can't create anything he just copies and corrupts what already there.
@@thesplendor8654 Simple, creation suggests that something of value is being made. Black metal has little value.
But jokes aside, how evil are these black metal musicians really?
Are they murdering people or committing acts of violence?
I don't think so.
One can argue that blasphemy is the worst they could be accused of, and in most western nations freedom of speech and freedom of expression is protected under the law.
So basically they are just artists with somewhat questionable taste.
That does not make them evil.
@@kenawyn True, but I guess I was trying to imply Satan worship? You're right about them having freedom of speech. Yes, it's rare to hear about black metalists killing people. Thanks for making me think about this more.
“We’re an indigenous population of harfoots… We’re multicultural.”
Yeah those two statements are mutually exclusive. An indigenous population cannot be multicultural by definition.
SJW's are not good with consistency.
@@nathanc5778 I’m amazed some of them can tie their shoe laces.
@@InceyWincey theyre definitely all secretly wearing slip ons and trainers with velcro straps
Well, actually it could -- each tribe has its own culture. But if we call things for what they are, and instead of "multicultural" say "multiracial", then yes, there is a problem there.
@@ПророкМухоед I’ve given it some thought, and hypothetically I can’t see a problem with your statement. Practically however this shouldn’t really happen. A single race of people co-existing as multiple tribes in a single region will always develop a shared culture for obvious reasons. The differences between tribes in the same region is nothing more drastic than people from different cities supporting different football teams; they all support the same national team. Even a single race of people existing as separate tribes in two separate but ultimately similar regions usually develop culturally almost in parallel with one other. It takes centuries just for their language to reach to the point where the two people could not understand one another in conversation, by which point they would be classed as different races anyway.
Actually there’s a point. If these harfoots were truly multicultural they’d all speak different languages, have different festivals, different music, different food. But like you say, “multicultural” as in fact a euphuism.
As soon as Tolkien’s son died they fired all the original writers. It’s going to be shite woke bollocks.
christopher is dead?
@@PeterParker-ff7ub Unfortunately yes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tolkien
RIP Christopher
And it will crash and burn like ALL woke non sense
His son was criticized for being uptight and inflexible while fighting to protect his father's legacy. Imagine how much money he had to decline to keep the integrity of his father's work.
You just know they waited until Christopher Tolkien was dead to pull off. There's no way he would've allowed them to take a hatchet to his father's work like this. It's a disgrace.
They literally fired Shippey the same day Christopher died, before another person can be decided as keeper of Tolkien's legacy,
@@mallios13 Check Fellowship of Fans' recent video about the estate. Quite eye-opening and disturbing to say the least.
Timeline-wise it checks out. They started this operation the moment his body was lowered in the ground.
Christophers son Simon sold the rights to Amazon. Simon Tolkien apparently has a pretty laissez-faire attitude to his Grandfathers works. Basically the prick wanted to cash in on the IP and his father prevented him until he died.
It's sad the rest of the Tolkien family is not as involved and protective...
One of the creator's of Netflix's He-Man said that they don't create new characters because the fans might not accept them. It's easier, he said, to change an existing character in order to be more inclusive. He admitted... they're lazy. That's the answer to your question as to why Amazon didn't create their own new fantasy property.
He-man would be the easiest franchise to add new characters too I would think.
@@dimitriwarchief301 The traditional animation one by KSmith.
But they did a great job on She-Ra on the other hane.
@@olympiaelda1121 - that's a controvertial statement. Princesses of Power caused as much if not more toxicity in the fandom as Revelations. I actually left a lot of fan groups because i got sick of hearing the same tired and spent talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum from both sides.
@Troy Roy, Netflix didn't make He-Man...
"We're indigenous."
"We are not a race, we are a tribe."
"We are black, asian, and Maori."
Seriously how bad is this guy's english that he doesn't see the contradictions?
Clearly doesn't know what the word "tribe" means. Smh.
Tribes are more homogeneous than what we call the races if anything. Just look at the history of the Maori for illustration.
He's an idiot. He used to be a stand up comedian in the 80s's-90's, then his career died. He kept things going by latching onto national charity events (Children in Need and Red Nose Day) and inserting himself as a permanent fixture there. He's done some straight acting, some well received, but has in recent years become more of an activist/SJW type.
Social justice rots the brain and makes people of intelligence do and say incredibly stupid things. It's literally a brain disease.
@@scottmccrea1873 or indigenous.... indigenous people are fairly homogeneous because they all lived and developed in the same environment over centuries if not millennia.
A “multicultural tribe” is such an oxymoron
A tribe by definition is homogeneous. But I'd love to see multi cultural Sioux in a remake of "Custers last stand"
Let's take some legend from Africa and turn it into multicultural movie. I'm sure everyone will be fine with it ?
It's the problem of associating ethnicity with culture. Just because you look a certain way, doesn't mean that you fit into a certain mold. For some of these people, they just want people who look different.
@@kenton6804 that is understandable, but what I don't understand is why they tend to "fix it" in most illogical ways ?
@@ktopfield145 I don't either. Generally, though, some of the people they choose for these jobs aren't people who are entirely all there 100% of the time. I should know, I have ADHD, so I recognize when people do things that don't make sense. Some of it is in the brain, and so it isn't entirely rational, but when you combine that with political ideology, it's just a mess.
"The lord of the rings is based on English, Celtic, and Norse folklore and mythology"
This is literally the whole damn reason I got into Lord Of The Rings in the first place. That stuff is super fascinating to me BECAUSE it's not me (I'm black) and I find it extremely interesting. LOTR is a fantasy world far removed from reality and bullshit politics of the the shitty real world. I DON"T WANT WOKE AGENDA IN MY FANDOMS. STOP RUINING EVERYTHING WITH YOUR WOKE BULL SHIT.
Don't believe you.
@@matthew6732 So?
So what's the problem with there being black people again, its part mythology and part fantasy fiction right 🤔
It would be like replacing Black Panther with a white guy. It doesn't belong.
@@djGAMEboi The Elves and dwarves in Tolkiens universe is based on Anglo-Saxon mythology. In his writing all Elves are fair skinned. Not black skin like Men.
I'm sure most true Tolkien fans have already disregarded this Amzon nonsense.
The sad part is that people who know nothing about the books will eat this up and think of themselves as the "true" fans, just like what happened with Discovery. They will keep it going and then it will never fade from the public mind. Book fans will just be "haters."
I for one flat-out refuse to touch anything related to this show.
This isn't made for fans. The source material is being intentionally altered to push a modern agenda to a normie audience.
I'm one of them. I've always felt for Star Wars fans and as a Tolkien fan, I knew we were lucky to have a safe and happy fanbase who just enjoyed his work. Now I completely get the rage and anger and fury SW fans feel. There's nothing worse than watching stupid, self-absorbed people destroy something I love. I'm gate-keeping the sh*t out of anything Tolkien related. Same goes for C.S.Lewis. The fandom has already been infitrated by people who know nothing of its lore and tradition, labeling us every name in the book. I don't care. If it's war they want, war is what they'll have.
@@sadomisa You have my SWORD!!!
They should just make their own original stories. Just one problem. That takes talent, skill and experience. People aren't hired for those things, they're diversity hires.
Commies have no originality
They don't even want the ones they already have. It's not about creating stories or honoring their creators. It's about conquering cultural territory for their cultural revolution.
They're not creators, they're propagandists. It requires no imagination just low cunning.
There an alternative that no one seems to consider. How can you rip off someone else's story and have black characters that aren't token replacements? You know, there's this place called Africa. I've been there, it's real, and it's full of culture that has stories and legends. It's literally a whole continent of source material!
@@ressljs Africa definitely needs their own Tolkien. Someone to unify the old stories and myths into one massive universe. I would probably read that, although I know very little about African folklore.
Actually... Tolkien did spend some of time in Africa, but I think you know what I mean.
Listening you go into geek mode and start lecturing on the history of middle earth warmed my heart. No matter what our skin colour, geeks are one people.
We're a tribe, not a race. We're multicultural 😎
I absolutely agree with you there these are my kind of people.
There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, nor the Tongues of Men for this treachery.
Lol you guys are drama queens. No wonder the entire entertainment industry ignores your requests
@@lilmovieperp3599 I mean, all we ask is that you follow the source material as closely as possible. Is that too much to ask?
@@lilmovieperp3599
Ah, shut up. Can you actually read the book and be faithful in adapting it to another medium?
Did Fr. James Martin, S.J, sent you here?
@@lilmovieperp3599 and no wonder it's going broke
This looks like a job for...the Black Speech of Mordor!
My friend was just saying how he hates reboots and rewrites... And this is why.
rebbots aren't the issue. injecting ideology is the issue.
This isn't supposed to be a reboot although a rewrite it most definitely will be.
“We are a tribe, we are multicultural”
What does the shire look like in his head ? Brooklyn ?
Dudley in the 80s
Man, it's a good thing we got the LOTR Trilogy in the 2000s. Proof that timing is everything. If such a thing was attempted today, it would've been a woke disaster like Amazon's LOTR series. At least we got a real, true adaptation before this shit could happen.
Samuel L Jackson would be cast as Gandalf the white.
@@keenkingjames honestly, if he'd be in white face, I'd give it a pass
I didn't like the changes they made for political reasons then and I don't now, but I did enjoy the movies and the effort and skill put in then shows why modern Hollywood should be ashamed of themselves.
Frodo and Sam would have gotten married at the end of the trilogy, instead of Sam and Rosie Cotton.
@@keenkingjames Samuel L. Gandalf vs Balrog: You...shall...not...muthafuckin...pass!!
Hobbits would be the least multicultural of everything ever. They were literally ignored by everyone. That's why they were used in the story.
Yeah they were closed off from the rest of middle earth that even in the movies they’re surprised or even don’t know what a hobbit is.
And, they’d suffer from Vitamin D deficiency problems.
@@theusernameicoodfind, we do find a few references to them in the third age. For instance, they fought in some of the wars against Angmar as subjects of Arnor, though I do not believe that anyone specifically called for them, they came because they were needed because Angmar was understood to be a threat to everybody. This is further evidenced by the Bullroarer inventing the game of golf in combat with orcs. It was really after the fall of Arnor that Hobbits mostly passed from the minds of most peoples as they were far to the west of any Manish settlements aside from Bree. By the time that Denethor marries Finduilas, mother of Boromir and Faramir, a Hobbit had not been seen, save a solitary exception, by the greater outside world in more than 1,000 years. Their presence only interested interested Balin, Dain, Bard, Thranduil, Gandalf, and Elrond, and only Bilbo in particular, and later Frodo as his adopted heir. Not even the greatest of the Shepherds of the trees knew of them, and this is indeed a marvel.
There's a great fantasy series just waiting to be adapted into a film or TV show, full of diverse (i.e. non-white) characters and written by one of the best female fantasy and sci-fi authors of all time. The Wizard of Earthsea (and it's sequels) by Ursula le Guin.
But this isn't about creating art it's about tearing down cultural icons for perverse ideological reasons.
Ssshhh don’t tell them that! They already destroyed Wheel of Time and now Lord of the Rings, let’s not give them any more ideas.
I heared good things about the Earthsea franchise. I meant to check it out. Is it really that good?
@@lightbower5826 I only read the first one, but I really liked it! It is very different from most fantasy series I’ve read before.
Earthsea... hmm was there an animated film about it? I do remember watching something with a similar title from Ghibli.
Just reread that trilogy for the first time in 50 years. Amazing! Let's hope they DON'T try to make it into a movie or series. They will positively ruin it. Even if it IS multicultural and all that.
"Maori" isn't a color or a race, it refers to a specific people from actual Earth. Saying that some of the hobbits are Maori is like saying that some of them are Basques or Austrians or New Yorkers. It's so stupid!
That brings up a funny point, considering there is no Asia in Middle Earth, how can Asians be in the show lol
100% correct.
Those obsessed with "Race" are usually the most ignorant of ethnic and cultural identities. It makes sense since those obsessed with peoples skin colour are more often then not racist. And racism is a form of ignorance and you can't be informed on ethnic groups and hold that ignorance usually.
A tell tale sign for me is when people use (what I relate as American terms) black and white as identifiers of groups of people. It's over categorization and tells you nothing about a group as it contains too broad a base. And usually those using such reductionist measurements are stoking the flames of racial animosity.
I mean, Disney's Tarzan did that with the Rosie O'donnell gorilla.
"Those Ewoks are Mexican!"
- No one ever
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 The worst part is they'd make them "Mexican" by putting them in sombreros and ponchos in the laziest stereotypical way.
And the worst part is that normies will keep this crap going
I doubt it. Even the Normies are sick and tired of woke trash.
Not only normies. There are even fans that they literally believe these nutjobs will not push woke shit and really believe it will be a show focused on story. If that would be the case, they wouldn't remake the ring story, just to change it with their woke trash. They would have done another story. But this is what they want, to remake all stories with their woke trash insert into it
normies, like you think theyre not. Lmfao. Youre part of that group.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 I really want to believe this is true
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Some are, but most need to be really bashed over the head with it to take notice
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
The cannon was closed after Christopher finished publishing. We have the cannon in book form. Nobody can take that away.
When the people that like to re-write history start to burning books not even then we'll be safe.
We have the canon in the 6 movies too, this TV series can go screw itself.
*marvel*
@@Dragonk116 well, no. We have canon in 3. Quite a few un-canon things from the Hobbit if i remember correctly
@@John_on_the_mountain Perhaps I worded this wrong.... Do you want the woke Amazon lotr series to be canon or do you want the hobbit movie trilogy to be canon? And no you can't say neither.
SJWs: "We need more black actors in the lord of the rings!"
Company: "Sigh. Fine, we'll hire more Orcs!"
SJWs: "Yes! We won! That will teach those racists that Orcs are also black people!"
Surprised Pikachu face when the orcs are villains 😲😱
I legitimately accidentally read "lord of the niggas" somehow.
@@Yoroiful lol wtf
@@Yoroiful
I bursted out laughing harder than I should! 😆🔫
Thank you! 👌
@@Yoroiful xD what?
You hit the nail on the head with, "why don't they just make their own show?"
Cuz they lack talent, skill and creativity. They can't make shit
@@DirectorHMAN oh really?? Then why tf have you been appropriating and stealing our culture and ideas for the past 100 years??? Surely you can't mean black people. This is fucking laughable.😆😆😆😆😆
@@MzShaybutta Benefit of the doubt, he's talking about the show's creators. I'm not him so I don't know, but that's how I read it.
And the answer to the question original question, "Why don't they make their own show?" is that there is no built in audience with a new property. They (meaning the producers, writers, director) are telling the story they want to tell using the presumed built in audience of a Tolkien IP.
Or, why don't you just not watch it.
@@matthew6732 Oh don't worry mon ami, nobody is watching this show.
Sauron: Fuck, I should have just used CRT
He is doing it this time.
During the reign of Ar-Pharazon, it is reported that Sauron used that tactic to devastating effect.
J.S.G. nerding out over his knowledge of Tolkien's work was fun to listen to.
@@spacejunk2186 So easy to say someone is wrong yet never provide any proof.
@@spacejunk2186 What did he say that was wrong?
As someone who has reread The Hobbit, Lord Of The Rings, and the Silmarillion every year since I was twelve I'm struggling to find something he said that was even close to being incorrect
@@spacejunk2186 The only incorrect statement I managed to catch was Beleriand's setting for Second Age events, unless I misheard or misunderstood him. I guess the extreme western portion of Middle-earth in the Third Age from the Blue Mountains to the sea that didn't submerge could still be considered 'Beleriand'. The rest of the video was spot on.
@@RoyCyberPunk JSG is very thorough when he makes videos, it's amazing when people say he's straight up wrong but either give no proof, or give proof that i can fart through to clear up the mess. I agree with you, butthurt lefties who want to destroy to 'make' their mark...Or in the words of a friend of mine who watched this with me, this is a dick measuring contest that few can even step into the arena, let alone compete, with JSG. LOL
@James Aron
I listened to it again just to make sure I was right and yah that's the only mistake.
Beleriand was sunk in 583 of the first age.
Other than that he was spot on.
It was enough of a stretch in PJ's movies that the Shire had accents from different parts of England and Scotland (I don't remember any Welsh or Irish hobbits) but at least it was generally accepted that hobbits kept mostly to themselves and their families and had a great respect for tradition so it could follow that accents would remain from the first settlers of different hobbit breeds.
If this series is going to suggest that an initially diverse group that isn't going to be massive could live together and not breed themselves beige without some sort of active segregation is going to take some explaining.
They did that because it was stated by Tolkien that the Hobbits represent the everyday Englishman. And since the Tooks live in a hilly part of the country which makes for great defenses, are stubborn, will put up a fight, and invented golf, it made sense they would be Scottish.
It wasn't just Peter Jackson who did that, the BBC radio play also made use of English regional accents for the Hobbits. Andy Serkis also used it for his readings of the Tolkien works, but to be fair, I think his performance was partly coloured by the New Line Cinema/Peter Jackson franchise and his role in it.
I think there is a tacit understanding that Hobbits are a quintessentially English archetype, and as such, also sound the part.
And as above, there were different genealogical lineages among the Hobbits, which could justify differing accents.
You say that Hobbits are insular enough that they should remain almost genetically identical, and yet there was enough diversity in that regard such that the "Proudfoot" clan had exceptionally larger and hairier feet than most.
Does is particularly make sense, when each Hobbit is likely first cousins with their neighbours? Probably not. But it's how Tolkien wrote the world.
No hobbits, but Gimli had a Welsh accent.
F'ing disgraceful - and cultural appropriations at its worst.
we will see. the cast is still majority white and 3 months ago they add to the cast 5 more actors. wich were all white. so I have still some hope. and they don't announced to have black elves or black numenorians. and i think its also impossible because they too few POC actor got cast too portay elves and numenorians. they will likely play the hairfoots like Henry lemmy claimed.
It's only wrong when we do it.
@@berserk9085 just one single African in Middle Earth automatically ruins the entire premise of the Tolkien lore. It’s like that “one bad apple spoils the barrel” saying.
What do you expect from the group who not just three years ago were screaming "whites have no culture"
They don't believe making LOTR multicultural is cultural appropriation because to leftist you can't appropriate culture if it don't exist. (Insert thinking black guy meme)
This might just be the thing that breaks the camel's back. The bastardization of such a beloved universe with such a huge and intense fanbase will not fly one bit, just watch.
The best thing that came out of this whole debacle, is that I discovered many like-minded people who just want to talk, discuss and argue about Tolkien's works.
No matter what happens, no matter who the Tolkien Society In Name Only decides to pander to next year, no matter the "new and improved" sanitized version Bezos's lackeys will shit out... there are bounds of fellowship that can't be broken.
All we have to decide is to not pay attention to this mess.
Well stated. What speaks louder to show runners and producers isn't outrage. It's apathy. If we just ignore this trash, it'll die off. To make the statement even louder, continue to buy and support proper Middle Earth stories. This will tell them that the market is there, but they completely missed the mark.
This is what I have found in the Warhammer 40k community to a degree. It doesn't matter what new far fetched changes to the lore GW puts out to justify changing decades of lore (Instant Primarius marines! Just thaw and eat!) or what changes to the look of long standing organizations (Sisters of Battle being made more masculine and horrifically battle scared).
There are those of us who are just fine ignoring these changes and holding on to the 40K that was grimdark with a strong dose of rule of cool that brought us in to the universe in the first place.
@Nathan Wong Well paying attention to them seems to only give them more free advertising.
@Nathan Wong reacting with emotional histrionics gives them free advertising and makes you look like a child to those who would otherwise listen.
@Nathan Wong Going "woke" is one of the easiest ways for a franchise to get free publicity : people praise it, ridicule it, or get riled up by it... and the brand gets the attention it was seeking. It's free marketing, plain and simple.
It's a problem that shouldn't be ignored, and it has plagued entertainment for years... but if you address that problem while playing along with everyone else, the brand still wins in the end. At some point, the only way to win the outrage game is not to play.
“Based on the Silmarillion, which is almost like a cheat sheet for the second and third ages.”
No.
No, that’s not AT ALL what it’s like.
Excellent breakdown of the Hobbit issue. First, nothing significant was done by Hobbits in the second Age, nothing at all in Eriador. Second, browner of skin is lighter than brown of skin is a different color from black of skin. Tolkien was a contributor for the Oxford Dictionary. The professor was an expert wordsmith.
Trying to insert your own modern political agenda into Tolkien's work is like mixing one jigsaw puzzle with another entirely different jigsaw and expecting it to make a complete picture when its all put together. It just cannot work and is impossible to attempt to make it work.
An SJW puzzle sound interesting though. Imagine one where every piece is either white, brown, black or rainbow, and there is an equal amount of each and they all must be connected so that each color connects to another color.
It is quite apparent at this point that, to the ones rewriting this story, the whole mix working properly is their least concern.
The point is to destroy the original work
@@maveric619 This guy gets it.
The black hobbits will be experts in growing that wonderful Shire-Leaf , even Tom Bombadil coming through to buy his monthly medicinal Pipe-weed stock.
By having the Hobbits in the Shire 1k yrs early, Smeagol is not on the Anduin to acquire the One Ring. They're not only ignoring the lore, they're breaking it.
Good point.
that is the purpose, all SJWs do is destroy all myths of the Wests including SF and Fantasy, Tolkien is argueably the greatest writer of the 20th century, they have to destroy him, it is up to us to keep his legacy alive
That's not true. Smeagol belonged to a group of Stoors who returned to the Anduin to escape the threat of Angmar in Eriador.
@@Blah3210 hmmm. Okay
@@s4usea You are right however in saying that forming the Shire this early does break the lore. The Shire was originally a hunting ground that was gifted to the hobbits of Bree by the King of Fornost. Considering Fornost didn't even exist until the very end of the Second Age, placing hobbits there beforehand comes with all kinds of bad implications.
“And I’m old enough to remember the light of the trees” 😂 - a quip that will go right over the heads of 99% of the people producing, writing, or directing the new series.
The new writers are like Ungoliant, they are sucking the life out of the franchise.
Old enough to remember the trees, so old that he mixed up the dates... The events of the Second Age did not happen in Beleriand :D
@@niki75 memory tends to go as you age 😆😆
@@niki75 beleriand was destroyed by the war of wrath at the end of the first age iirc. Most of the second age focused on the Numenorians in the silmarillion.
That would make JSG older than Galadriel 😀😂😅🤣🙃
As a lifelong Tolkien nerd: THANK YOU. Thank you for telling me everything I need to know about why this Amazon atrocity is worthless garbage that I don't need to bother with. At all. I look forward to their attempt at a cash grab backfiring in a most spectacular fashion...
"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery."
And if there was yt would auto-delete your post for writing it.
Everything woke turns to shit.
“The native people of England are very Caucasian” you’d get done for hate speech saying that here in England mate. I won’t be watching this Amazon series I’ll tell you
England has had relatively sizable non-native minorities for several centuries, due to our global naval traditions, but they tended to be concentrated around the various ports (London, Newcastle, Liverpool etc) with a smattering of some further inland, often related to people returning from extended service in the various reaches of the Empire (Africans and Indians mostly, who emigrated here when their employers returned from a stint overseas and retired to their country piles). Even so, until the arrival of coal powered steam ships, and more recently cheap international air travel, the %age remained pretty low compared to the population as a whole
@@talltroll7092 relativly sizeable minorities for centuries?
You been watching BBC? Or listening to globalistic propaganda?
Heck, you can call me black at this point. Who cares about facts anymore.
@@talltroll7092 So non-English people then
@@talltroll7092
No, not particularly. Prior to the 20th century, the largest migratory demographic England had received were the huguenots, French (and needless to say, white) protestants who left France due to religious sectarianism (France being a predominantly catholic country).
It wasn't until Windrush (the modern narrative around which is particularly subversive) that any actual substantial ethnic minority.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld Just for the sake of precision, the Huguenots left France after 1685 when Louis XIV abolished the Edict of Nantes which allowed religious freedom in France and pushed the protestants away.
Note that said religious "freedom" meant you were allowed to be non-Catholic Christians.
this physically hurts me... at least we will always have Peter's trilogy.
... will we always have Peter's trilogy? i wouldn't be sure anymore, nowhere's safe, their evil knows no bounds, look what happened with the once respectable Tolkien Society...
Keep those dvds hidden and safe. Heck, buy a few more copies - who knows what will happen in 10 years time.
Until, they decide to scrap it,vans remake it.
At least we will always have the books.
Unfortunately...
When we hire people based on diversity rather than actual skill, this is what we get.
I don't hold out hope for anything anymore.
They already did this to the Witcher. Every race has the whole range of shades.
Yeah, I remembered when PJ and his crew wanted Aragorn and Sauron fight at the end of the Return of the King. But then realized that the fans will not like it. So they replaced Sauron with a troll. Man, I missed those days when the creative team actually cared about the fans and lore instead of politics and diversity.
"So it turns out that the closer we hewed to what Tolkien wrote, the better things turned out. Huh." -- Peter Jackson
@@harbl99 LOL, who would have thunk it?
I'd personally loved to have seen Aragorn cross swords with Sauron
Aragorn vs Sauron = politics and diversity?
@@commandercaptain4664 I believe you’re misreading what’s written.
It was all downhill after black Norse gods.
Where the fuck did that tragedy happen?
@@baconlover7747 In the Thor movies: Heimdall the White.
@@starsiegeplayer oh.... No wonder i skipped it
This is old, since Lana from smallville and maybe older.
@@starsiegeplayer ginger lets not forget that.
From "The Scourging of the Shire" to "There Goes The Neighborhood"
At this person, they are definitely being prejudice or racist towards Tolkien.
It's reverse racism and yes that's still a form of prejudice but they don't see it as that.
No such thing as reverse racism, only racism
@@edwardhosmer5726 It's an actual term to define a particular type of racism in which historical targets become the perpetrators thereof, but if you want to distill it, yes, it's all racist.
Woke people always disrespect religious people
@woooudo Hoodies? Since when does a specific type of clothing hate people?
"Brown" probably referred to being TANNED from a life spent outdoors.
People who claim brown means African have never met a Welsh person in their lives
"it's going to take at least ten years to tell the story."
They'll be lucky if this show even lasts more than one year.
I’ll give it 3 seasons being that they’ll be trying to push this woke shit down our throat regardless of ratings
Sadly I don't think the target audience will be Tolkien fans.
@@matwatson7947 if tolkien fans dont watch, no one will watch Lord of the Rings, woke audiences only care about popularity, the moment something is not ''cool'' anymore they quit, while fans stay with it till the end
It’s like they don’t understand that there was a time before all the cultures, races, & kingdoms of the world came together & mixed. That’s the kind of world almost every fantasy works in. Gondor, Rohan, elves, dwarves, hobbits; they’re separated & don’t get along until they have to.
Can't push for a revolutionary utopian one world order if people think the old ways worked fine and didn't need changing.
I've actually had an argument with a friend on facebook before where they honestly believed that Europe was already multiracial with Africans and Asians pre-colonization.
@@Blah3210 There are really people like this?
@@hubertino855 we have teachers claiming the conquistadors were black while a sentence later tries to convince everyone that black people didn't conquer because it wasn't their nature.
When Sauron is allowed to "create" his own history of Middle Earth.
As my British friend told me, "they're gonna turn The Shire into Yorkshire (one of the most diverse area in UK)"
I've never been a fan of Hollywood's "we've got the rights to this popular property. It has lots of fans who love it the way it is, so the first thing we need to do is change it as much as possible" approach. They've had that problem since cinema began, and it's very rare that it doesn't end up with a poorer end result than just adapting the property as closely as possible to the original. But since the impetus behind deciding what to change has become "diversity" it's gone from being a likelihood that they'll destroy what was good about the original to a virtual guarantee. I'm sick of this "first we need to FIX it" mentality. If the show makers feel it needs "fixing" then don't bother making it at all - leave the adaptations to someone who actually likes and respects the original, and just make your own thing. But you are 100% correct - they do really just want to make their own thing, but since they no nobody would bother watching that, they intend to exploit the popularity of LoTR by dressing their fantasy series up in skinsuits flayed off the characters Tolkien created.
Which seems to prove that they have no confidence in their own content and instead rely on pre-existing intellectual properties in an effort to possess whoever likes those with the ideology. There’s just one little obstacle to their plan: as soon as people catch on it ends up being rejected like critical theory often deserves to be.
@@Dinoslay Yep. These days the second I see any articles where those working on the show start talking about how they "had" to change things, "fixing"/"improving" the source material's "lack of diversity" or aspects that were "problematic," it's an immediate case of "nope, not bothering to watch this" from me. No way am I supporting any show or film that does that.
Part of it derives from your average sales pitch. "We got this really popular intellectual property!" "Hasn't that been done to death?" "No way! We're going to make it BETTER!"
I always find it amazing that supposed creatives who love particular Book franchises so much that they want to bring them to TV, start-off by rewriting the entire thing to make it their creation and bastardise the original. Netflix are the current champions of this approach, so Amazon are just catching up.
@@Dinoslay Like remakes. You have a built in audience for the initial film (or series) which makes it a guaranteed (well perhaps not) success and low development risk in their eyes.
Thank you bro!! That's exactly what I think: why on earth do they need Tolkien's lore? Just create your own fantasy world with any races you want and do whatever you want with it
Just as Tolkien was creating a quasi-mythology for England due to much of it being lost, so it is that the locations on Middle Earth share some loose parallels to how the old English saw their world due to England's location in Europe and to the world in general.
If you consider the Shire to feel the most like England (the idealized, romantic version of the English countryside) then you can observe the following: north of the Shire is mountainous, colder and barely inhabited (Scotland?); far away in the north-east come the northern men of Middle Earth and often where dragons were found (Nordic areas?); in the centre of Middle Earth (at least on the usual maps showing the western part) is Rohan whose people came from the north and east (Germanic peoples?); south-east there is Gondor and this was once the greatest kingdom of Men since Numenor yet much of the realm of Gondor appears Mediterranean, so perhaps this is a loose allusion to Ancient Greeks and the Roman Empire (for these are considered the forerunners of European civilization). So far in all these realms the men are Caucasian of varying shades of white and varying hair colour and eye colour.
Now this is where the geographical parallels become a bit more blatant: which region is far east and just a bit south from the Shire? Mordor. Using the European metaphor and parallels, which region is far east and just a bit south from England? The eastern European countries of Bulguria and Romania. What is Mordor known for? The Dark Lord Sauron who once served the greater Dark Lord Morgoth. What are Bulguria and Romania known for in olden times amongst the English? Vampires, werewolves and other dark forces, including Dracula who was considered a mythological lord of darkness second only to the devil.
And it gets even better: what do the men of Middle Earth east of Mordor look like? They are described as Turkic and/or Mongolian in appearance (not that Tolkien used the words Turkic or Mongolian) and they are called Easterlings, they often sweep in from the East to raid and ravage central Middle Earth (like the Mongolians, the Huns and others did in our history), and so represent Central Asia. What do the men south and south-east of Gondor look like? Brown to black and their kingdoms reside in deserts or jungles and their come many exotic beasts (Oliphants), these are the Haradrim and an obvious parallel to Africa.
As for the Elves, they are white or fair-skinned yet are often considered by Men as spiritual beings or perhaps even angels? The religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam all emerged in the Middle East and all of their scriptures spoke of angels and beautiful heavenly beings, since in the Middle East the skin colour varies from a Mediterranean tanned colour to a light brown, then the prophets and angels are depicted in a "fair" way (angelic, lighter of skin), and in Europe those same prophets are depicted as fully white.
The Elves don't represent the religions on Earth, but they do present the long-standing myth and idea of angels amongst men, that perhaps they once existed together at some point in the distant pass. And the angels depicted in both Islamic cultures (in medieval times) and European cultures all are fairer of skin (google angels islam to see for yourself).
Just as the old English knew little to almost nothing of Asians and Africans (before the discovery of America), so it is that in Lord of the Rings very little is described by Tolkien of the Easterlings and the Haradrim- Tolkien is purposefully keeping the reader in ignorance because England was ignorant (due to geographic location) of the culture and ways of Africans and Asians, an ignorance which only began to diminish in the smallest of ways by the 19th century.
Nor is there any parallel whatsoever in Middle Earth to America because west of Middle Earth is Aman, the land of the Gods and the High Elves (angels?). No one in England or anywhere else in the old world, knew of the Americas before Christopher Columbus. Tolkien here has literally created an artificial myth loosely based around England's geography.
Now since Middle Earth is the world that once was, somehow and in some way, despite geography, history and time, so it is that Middle Earth is the story of the mythological England and the mythological world as it may have been seen by the English many centuries ago. It's an alternative universe in a time long ago and a world far, far away...
I salute the effort in the post but I must say, where do potatoes come from? I like to think they came from Numenor, like athelas. Also the Viking bards knew of 'Vinland'.
@@johncodmore From Yavanna, one of the Valar, as she created all flora on Earth. The mythology has loose parallels and that is all, myths need not match history or reality nor explain the little things. And your right, the Vikings knew of the eastern coasts of Canada.
A good summary, though I have a slight quibble with the part about Mordor. The place was supposed to be a largely desolate area, whereas Romania and the regions round about are known more for their thick forests and undeveloped land. I think Mirkwood and Fangorn Forest resemble the region more. Also, while Tolkien MIGHT have had Dracula in mind when inventing Sauron and his land, (since Stoker's novel was published before The Hobbit), I personally doubt it. Stoker's Dracula was about the blend of superstition and science, with the region of Transylvania being unique for it's continuing embracement of superstition, in contrast to the technology-focused, science-driven England. The historical Dracula (Vlad the Impaler) was a prince of Wallachia in the late 1400s (and very different from Stoker's version), well after the early medieval environment that Tolkien meant to channel for his Middle-Earth.
Only one tiny addition: in the areas you mentioned have brown to dark brown skin (middle eastern). Northern of the Sahara, originally white people settled except for Nubians. Arabs/Middle Easterners and Indians alike range from blonde and fair skin with light eyecolors (rare) to very dark, almost black shades of brown (except for actual subsahara africans or their descendents of which specifically in the Middle East are extremely few due to the Gelding involved in Human Trafficking and Slavery in that area). So you will even see very european looking people (the faces are different though, so is the stature) in turkish or indian movies.
Otherwise I absolutely loved reading your post!
@@johncodmore that's one of the things that is easily explainable, just like the pipe-weed (which is tobacco a variety of plant nicotiana) and athelas (two plants explicitly brought over the sea by Numenoreans), potatoes could have been brought to shores of Middle-earth by the Numenoreans (Numenorean sailors reached other lands...in other words other continents, also it should be noted that in Aman the Undying Lands there existed all creatures and living things that are known to exist and many more that are not seen elsewhere:
"For all living things that are or have been in the Kingdom of Arda, save only the fell and evil creatures of Melkor, lived then in the land of Aman; and there also were many other creatures that have not been seen upon Middle-earth, and perhaps never now shall be, since the fashion of the world has changed." We know that Elves while sailing to Numenor or earlier in the migration of the Noldor brought with them some plants and animals or at least it's implied, also Valar themselves are known to introduce new species or creatures from time to time or transplant them to new areas).
Tolkien was describing a highland people, rocks and crags specifically. That means shepherds and goatherds, lots of time in the sun with little shade hence "browner of skin" and Tolkien would have known that.
Makes sense I work construction in the sun alot of times so my complexion is red instead of pale white
Or basically serfs and peasants. They usually worked under the sun, expect that they have a bit of brown skin via heat exposure.
Biologically speaking people found closer to the equator tend to have darker skin as an adaptation. While up north people get whiter skin to get more uv rays
@@glorioustigereye That is true but my argument is that they spend significantly more time in the sun than other Hobbits which "browns" their skin. We call it tanning.
So your saying your ok with Black hobbits because "They are tan". Got it. What about black elves? Does that bother you? To be honest this is a strange hill to die on. As long as they aren't race/gender swapping ESTABLISHED characters and the show has good acting and plot i will enjoy it. We already have black humans in the shadow of wars LOTRO game. Some other things not in the canon as well.
Sadly it doesn't appear that it will have good plot and instead appears to be a woke virtue signal possibly getting ready to be the most expensive case of get woke go broke.
The production costs are already over $1 billion. It's going to be the biggest TV show history.
The higher the horse, the deeper will be the fall (Roughly translated german saying)
“I know, I read the book 18 times.” Best flex I’ve heard all month.
I really was impressed when he said that.
I can not wait for the new roots series
With all the Chinese , Indian , white and far eastern people
Appearing as African slaves
It going to be so brave
I'd watch it,
@@moonie1825
Yes we could have all the plantation bosses as trans, I think this could be epic
Much stunning. So brave.
There's a new Roots series? I thought everyone these days knew Halley fabricated and plagiarised the books?
OMG🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😭😭😭😭 As Black woman this comment is a GEM. THANKS I need that laugh.
The color of their skin is truly a strange hill to die on man
I just need more of JSG videos. It's like intellectual soul food.
I second this
I third it, motion carried.
Since there's no black hobbits in The Lord of the Rings; does that mean there was a Hobbit holocaust somewhere between this show and the movies? A hobbitcaust if you will.
that is exactly what they are implying with this, lol
Hobbit Holocaust would make a great band name.
@@My-Name-Isnt-Important their first single could be the Scouring of the Shire
When some guy knows more about lore than the directors.
Little correction here: Beleriand sunk beneath the waves at the end of the FIRST age because of the battle between the Valar and Melkor. The SECOND age was the story of Sauron tricking the elves into making the Rings in Eriador and Numenor.
Scrolled down to see if this was pointed out before I did so myself. The power of nitpick compels me! xD
You have spent too much time reading Tolkien. And I salute you.
@@daistoke1314 What do you mean? That sentence makes no sense, whatsoever. The idea that one could read Tolkien 92 hours a day 1048 days per year simply isn't possible, given the definition of "day" and "year" (and it still wouldn't be "too much time" to read Tolkien).
It's like being saluted for spending "too much time" breathing air.
Some further explanation. The War of Wrath is what ended the 1st Age and destroyed Beleriand. You'll find a lot of conflicting viewpoints about which, if any, of the Valar took part in that war (I believe some but not all did) but Eru Ilúvatar did not.
All the Rings of Power were made in Eregion, which is in Eriador, except for the One Ring, which Sauron himself made in Mordor. None of these rings were made in Numenor. These events took place in the middle of the 2nd Age and culminated in the War of the Elves and Sauron, in which Númenór came to aid of the Elves and Sauron's armies were destroyed with Sauron retreating back to Mordor with all of the Rings of Power except for the three Elven rings.
Some 1500 years later, towards the end of the 2nd Age, King Ar-Pharazôn, who would be the last king of Númenór, sent a massive force to Middle-Earth to attack Sauron. Upon seeing that his forces were completely outmatched by those of Númenór, Sauron surrendered himself to the Númenóreans and was taken prisoner and went to Númenór. The Númenóreans had already grown quite corrupt and Sauron, a master manipulator if there ever was one, soon went from prisoner to counselor to the king. He eventually persuaded Ar-Pharazôn to assault the Valar in Valinor, claiming that they (the Númenóreans) were every bit as entitled to be immortal as the Valar, Maiar, and Elves, and this invasion would be how they would get the secret of immortality. Besides being a complete lie, all this resulted in Eru Ilúvatar intervening directly to stop Ar-Pharazôn's forces as soon as they set foot in Valinor and also destroying the entire island of Númenór. Surviving Númenóreans who fled to Middle-Earth or were already living there and who had remained faithful to Eru Ilúvatar founded the kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor under the rule of Elendil the Tall and his sons Isildur and Anarion, and together with the Elves of Middle-Earth, mostly under the leadership of High King Gil-Galad of Lindon, fought the War of the Last Alliance against Sauron, where Elendil and Gil-Galad cut down Sauron in combat but both of whom were slain by Sauron. Isildur then cut the One Ring of Sauron's hand.
These 2nd Age events are what the Amazon show should be about but it definitely looks like the Tolkien Estate is allowing Amazon to make big and unnecessary changes to the Canon.
@@istari0 - from what i've read and heard elsewhere, amazon only has the rights to the Hobbit and the LOTR and its appendices. The Silmarillion, Lost Tales and all of Tolkien's other writings aren't part of what they licensed from the Tolkien estate.
Ergo, the amazon show cannot be based on events from the Silmarillion. Only the brief outlines given in the appendices to LOTR that amazon are having to flesh out with their own imaginations (Eru help us!).
This is going to end up like Lord of the G-Strings, isn't it.
No that at least has a happy ending!
Folks of culture can enjoy the lord of the g-string not even the degenerates want to watch Amazon crap on Tolkien.
No lord of the g strings was probably more faithful to the source material.
Lord of the g-string was really good........ I heard from a friend
@@bundymatos a friend of mine in college rather liked it. He collected all of them lOTG, spiderbabe, etc.
Lord of the Ghey Wangs.
I'm here with a large, a very large, bag of popcorns to last until the next fall to see how this billion-dollar production is going to sink like a cinderblock on its own just so they can make their very own LOTR stories.
Gone are the days of respect for the lore and original world-building. All they care about is trying to make their fanfiction part of the actual canon, and if that doesn’t work, then blasting that canon out of a cannon, and blaming the “Fandom Menace” when they get bad reviews from the audience. Kathleen Kennedy and Chris Chibnall are the poster cannoneer children, with Chibnall’s last run of Doctor Who potentially killing it, and Kennedy’s directorship resulting with Disney Star Wars (movies) being seen apathetically at best, and maligned at worst.
Ah, Chris Chinball...
Yeah, except, the rumors of what Kennedy is doing to Indiana Jones 5 may be damaging that franchise so badly, that it will poison it forevermore.
@@ScottRuggels I imagine that after seeing Indiana Jones 5, fans will do to KotCS what Terminator fans have been doing since Dark Fate; looking back at T3 and Terminator Salvation and going “In retrospect, this was not that bad. A bit wonky, but I was sufficiently entertained.”
Doctor Who was always crap
The point is not to make a great show or movie. They seek to do what they have been doing for over 20 years and that is to utterly destroy not create. The comic book industry is in complete shambles, Starwars and Star trek are raped in a burning ditch left to die, dr who, terminator, James Bond, and now Indiana Jones all purposefully destroyed. SJWs do not create, they infect, take over, and utterly destroy anything that is popular or loved simply out of spite.
I'd love to see if these woke progressive types to support original black content instead of replacing white people to satisfy the people who won't even watch this show.
It's much, much easier for these creatively bankrupt clowns to race, gender, or sexual orientation swap established characters and call it diversity.
They dont care about or like black people. It is just that they hate white all the more.
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@Athena Ethereal besides non whites have there own counties making stories go see theres
@Athena Ethereal Yep, it's unfortunate that 99.9% of the people that rail against the 'wokeification' of Western society don't realize who is actually responsible for all of this mess. They point fingers but never at the right entities. They complain endlessly about all the production houses and networks on an individual basis but fail to see what's behind the stage curtains.
Preach it! I'm a big fan of Amazon's streaming service, but I've never watched this show or the representational rewrite of the Wheel of Time. However, I think the trashing of the lore in BOTH series is purposeful. In "1984" Orwell writes "every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
They don't want to just tell their own stories, they must erase ours.
These identity politics just make me go and read the books.
Same here and I was not a book reader at all. Adhd makes it hard but I completed 4 books this year. That's a lot for me lol.
"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."
- Groucho Marx
I can get lost for hours just looking at the maps before reading fantasy books. Fantasy maps are the best
@@fernandod4046 facts.
"...and i´m old enough to remember the light of the Trees.."
Just Some Guy
Ironic how the game Shadow of War, a game that literally just outright ignored the lore to make it's own little story, did this far better with Baranor than this supposedly multi million dollar series did.
Yeah never knew I'd live the day that Monolith Shadow of games liberties with the lore will seem like a minor thing in comparison! :)
@@fantasywind3923 Oh, hell no. What they did was still bullshit with Sauron and Shelob having a relationship that was fucking stupid and the Nazgul Sister shit too.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 Yeah I wasn't a fan of those changes either, but I absolutely respect that they made those changes to serve the story they wanted to tell rather than to score diversity points in a shallow cash grabby move.
@@BlizzardofOze Really? I just thought those changes meant they were shit at their job and also because they could, not cause they cared. Shadow of Mordor didn't take that many liberties.
Baranor was the prelude to our current situation outlined in this video, that's why people instinctively don't like him. The people who do like him are usually nerds who don't understand these kinds of subtleties. Arda brings out a lot of emotion in people nowadays, especially "right-wing" youth, because for us its an allegory for our lost world (even though Tolkien said he hates an allegory wherever he smells one, I think he'd understand in this case).
Hobbits essentially live in one village, in the middle of the continent, in an era where mass transit doesn't exist.. and their defining feature is a sedentary lifestyle; that's why the Bagginses were considered odd, they actually wanted to travel. Can you imagine how strict the segregation rules would have to be to maintain racially pure bloodlines in a population of a couple of thousand people under those conditions? The woke Shire would make Apartheid era South Africa look like a melting pot.
Never thought I’ll see a billion dollar fanfiction
If they wanted a fantasy story with diversity and nudity, they could have just made the Spellmonger Series, but I guess it just doesn't have the name recognition.
It's not about creating something new, it's about taking yet another thing huwite peeps like and destroying it, just to watch them cry, nothing else!
When Just Some Guy knows, understands, and conveys the Tolkien history better than the writers of the up coming show. You all know its going be a dumpster fire, or a comedy. Either way it makes my eyes sad.
It'll be a dumpster fire. Comedy's are funny. This is just pathetic.
To quote: "no, dumpster fires are useful because they burn trash, not produce it"
Don't think for a second the people responsible for this doesn't know the lore fairly well. This kind of butchering happens when people well in the know decide that said lore isn't going to run well with their clients
I won' be watching it anyway so I don't really care.
He actually doesn't, though. This guy really just said the Second Age takes place in BELERIAND. Beleriand doesn't even exist in the Second Age.
JSG is just some guy who reads TolkienGateway entries.
Your knowledge of Tolkien's works is extremely impressive. Thanks for taking time to make videos on this subject.
He claims that the Second Age takes place in Beleriand and that it was destroyed by Illavatar together with Numenor. 5:25
That's incorrect. The First Age takes place in Beleriand (and Valinor) and the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age destroyed Beleriand.
What is more vile is that they waited for the son of Tolkien to die Christopher Tolkien who was the Literary executor of his His father's writing in order to destroy it...
There and Black Again - that's genius.
Not sure how Amazon ended up with rights to lord of the rings, but they don't deserve it.
Tried to come up with a joke, but making hobbits black is so stupid that I can't stop laughing. Maybe they'll shame the white hobbits for being privileged lol
Watching after the trailer debacle.. How right you were!
Lenny Henry is - Draymond Greenfoot, the blackest hobbit to ever hobbit.
He's also Theopolus P Wilderbeast, there is no start to his talents.
I remember Lenny Henry on Tiswas as Trevor McDonught, the news reader.
Lenny henry drank the koolaid
They prefer 'Obbies. Silent H.
I thought it was Blackfoot?
If a character whose name IS their description, "skin as white as snow" can be played by a POC to First World acclaim then being the creator of ANY character automatically makes you an "ista_phobe to subsequent audiences.
I said this when The Hobbit was on production and I say it again. You can not improve from a masterpiece and LOTR was a masterpiece.
"They don't seem interested in the lore at all, let alone respecting it. It seems like they just want to tell a woke fantasy story, but there are no woke fantasy franchises that are popular so they decided to use something that people know, Lord of the Rings, call the show that, even though it has nothing to do with Lord of the Rings, and then just ignore Tolkein's words and write whatever they want." In other words, EXACTLY what HBO did with Watchmen when they wanted to tell a woke superhero story.
Amazon is going to bastardize the Wheel of Time as well
Yep
I like the fact that you're a fan first before everything else. Enjoy your content immensely for that reason and also that you really think about what you say and how you're going to say it. Like Tolkien.
So instead of expanding on the massive lore or exploring the world, we'll get naked minorities and political... I can't. I just can't.
JSG, you make so much sense man. It encourages me that I'm not the only one who hates all of this modern tampering. You rock!
Every time JSG starts talking in elvish, all these possums and mice and racoons and pigeons suddenly just show up outside my house and hang around like they're waiting for orders.
I need to start listening to this show with earbuds.
JSG could do an entire video in Elvish and I'd still watch it.
@@MSinistrari Hell man, if JSG did an entire show in elvish I'd get a quill, transcribe the whole episode onto a roll of textured vellum, roll it up into a scroll, and then mail the thing to Doomcock.
He could use it to invade Walt Disney studios and overthrow Kathleen Kennedy.
"Amazon had paid $250 million to secure the television rights to the franchise four years ago after founder Jeff Bezos demanded a ‘Game of Thrones’-style program to boost his company’s streaming service."
Nuff said.
Jeff Bezos is so out of touch with the fanbase that it's not even funny
@@TSPH1992 He's out of touch with reality
@@zenoblues7787 He's living a different life with enough money to burn
@@TSPH1992
Being that wealthy changes a man. Never having to struggle or worry about anything like anyone else…you lose something essential to being human.
@@combativeThinker at least he went to space. I give him that
'Old enough to remember the light of the trees' - Epic
It's sad to think I'll never see Fingolfin ride headlong to Morgoth's gate and engage the dark lord in single combat as described in the Silmarillion because it isn't PC for a white male to be heroic in the face of sure death.
*Sauron sees this in an alternate universe.*
Sauron: "Fellowship we share a common enemy. Keep the ring, these people are more evil than me and say I'm a boring villain."
Maybe we need to do a Middle Earth sequel where all the races join together to fight the greatest evil of all: the other worldly SJWs.
Fellowship:
"Here´s the Ring. Do what you must. Just make sure you have proper inclusion in your army of orcs, take page out of Extra Credits book."
Sauron:
"... Send the Lady Galadriel my regards, some of you are cool (not you, frodo), don´t come to the eastern coast during the coming age. Me and my boy Saruman are about to culturally enrich these parts. Luz, rise again to lead my army, get the tar from the pits and slap every Urukhai in the face where the white hand is painted. Saruman, make sure there is enough MEAT on the menu, stagger the deployment of some ork regiments so they can catch up with the Urukhai... "caravan" while seek for a place to settle down. Where there´s a whip, there´s a way.
Oh and gollum...you will fit RIGHT in when we hit Zan Vranzisco. There will be fresh fish for you. Right out of the Koi Pod.
Let´s get this party started and remember kids:
Subscribing to Legolas Onlyfans is gay and that´s A-Okay."
-Twirls cape
"And now, my stalward and hary dwarven men and women: Pull Smaugs remains from the lake, I am feeling cute, might do the city of winged messengers like a Khaleesi later."
@@sircastic959 I Feel like I just Got Smacked By a Alphabet Rainbow
@@dimitriwarchief301 yeah right "every villain needs a redemption arc/ be redeemed." Ivo Shandor was a psychotic surgeon who Frankensteined people with animals and extra organs. Then in 2016 they have a whiny,no idea how to socialize, tells everyone his plan, and narcissistic idiot.
This comment held up pretty well :D
Does.... does this now mean that Enya's May It Be is a certified hood classic?!
I'm getting an almost dusky olive tone/Mediterranean vibe when I hear the Harfoots were browner of skin. Still considered ethnically white but they tan easier and nice than vampiric pale northerners.
Nah, even people from Scottland/England can have olive skin and get tan even when they are as white as it comes.
@@di3486 tan's are temporary though I think he means naturally darker skin
@@moonie1825 No, we Mediterranean people don’t have “naturally darker skin” we are white as a ghost but we get tan easily.
Nothing wrong, or not 'nice', about pale northerners.
Kingdom Come; "Why isn't there any POC in 15th century Bohemia?"
LOTR 2.0; "Let's include POC in the name of wokeness and inclusivity (and free karma/hype by shilling for activist groups)"
Maybe it's because Tolkien based his works on early arthurian legends and pre-christian england, at a time when the best modes of transportation were your feet, a horse or a boat.
And unless you were a merchant or a soldier, leaving the place where you were born was a concept so out there, it wouldn't even come to your mind.
I’ve just started KC. I’m loving it but didn’t it get some flak for not being diverse?
Fun fact: the woke cried buckets of tears because neither the Witcher nor Kingdom Come has "black" people in it.
But none of them said anything but singing its praise when A Plague Tale released, even tho it has not a single brown nor black person in it. But it _did_ have a female lead, and all the bad people were white Christians, so suddenly "representation" was no longer an issue.
Which goes to show wokeness has basically nothing to do with equality or representation, but that it's pure and unadultered hate towards white males that's their driving force.
The fact that we even have to have this conversation is mind boggling. We knew Amazon was going to do this… but now that’s it’s here it hurts all the same.
As a reminder, Amazon spent nearly $500 million on this season.
Must be a good tax write off or something.
They could spend $5 billion a episode and it wouldn’t save it.
Boycott it, hit them in the pocket, its the only way to hurt them.
Money does not matter to them only the message and the utter destruction of what was beloved and popular. Ghost busters 2016 went all in female empowerment and told men this movie is not for you. Terminator went again all in female and killed off the main character of the whole series in the first 5 minutes. Star wars the force is female. Star Trek discovery. DC and Marvel comics went full tilt let's race/gender/sexuality swap its characters. Masters of the universe killing off heman episode one. All these were done to destroy their franchise, they knew 100% people would hate and despise them in Hope's to break them. They already have money and more then you could imagine so they dont care about the money they care about the continued destruction of beloved franchisees.
@@fenriswhispers Exactly, it's all premeditated for a political agenda, not entertainment. A company like Amazon with earnings in the order of $14,000 _per second_ could fund this series forever even if it never turns a profit. A half-billion dollar budget is pocket change for a corporation that is worth more than a trillion.
Do you know how the Orcs first came to be? They were Elves, once. Taken by the dark powers, tortured, and mutilated; a ruined, terrible form of life. Now... perfected.
I guess cultural appropriation is okay, then. _Back to work, boys._ We've got squealers to annoy.