1 Step To Louder & Cleaner Mixes with Marc Daniel Nelson
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows you a secret one step trick to making mixes louder yet more dynamic. While using a two part cocktail follow along as Marc brings back the punch and dynamics of this funky track.
This trick will allow you to the punchy side of the mix while still getting the volume.
By using two plugins, this option will allow you to hear what a mix is doing distortion wise, and then correct that before the limiter with a different clipper (a two-plugin cocktail).
Using Fab Filter Pro L2, choose the “punchy” option, then click 1:1 which lets you monitor in real time the same volumes if it’s bypassed or not. To the right of it is a headphone option that when engaged, it lets you hear what the limiter is doing; you hear only what the limiter is affecting.
The trick here is to use the listening option, and then putting a clipper in front of the plugin, and then adjust the clipper to do what you need it to do to adjust what you’re doing on the limiter.
This will allow you to get a louder mix, while also making sure your mix still sounds clean.
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What do YOU do to get cleaner mixes? Share your mixing tips and tricks with me below!
I take many care of gain stagin, sidechain proces, high passing. Saturación is your friend. Compresion its your friend. And all the stuff that I've learned from my friend warren.
@@stanleyc6225 i see the same.
I recently realised how effective mid-side processing on the master bus can really clean/clear things out for vocals, snare etc. to punch through the center.
I try to have a good phase correlation on the low end. I try..... :)
dip 300khz :)
Marc, you’ve helped me improve my mixing by 90%.. I really sucked bad at mixing but now I just suck! What an incredible human being and a legend in my book. I hope I get the privilege of meeting you someday! Thank you so much for what you do sir! 🙏🏻
Fantastic! Yes, Marc Rules!!
which course or videos of his helped you the most ?
Very neat! Get the loudness bump without sacrificing the details. And a very good choice of music to demonstrate it on clearly. Thanks!
PS: I'd like to point out that having had a chance to go back and review multiple videos from Marc, I've observed a constant trend. Aside from all of the videos having useful information and interesting insight, they all have something else in common: be it day or night, smooth piece of instrumental or loud hard rock -- in every video, at no point are both Marc and that dog, that you always see in the background, conscious at the same time! ..Now, I'm not suggesting that only when Marc goes to sleep, does the dog wake up, or that there is any sort of inception-like X-Files activity going on here.. but you're free to draw such conclusions. I merely share an observation 🙃🤫🛸
Haha the dog is very happy and very relaxed at home with Marc!
that is indeed a very happy dog in a very comfy studio 👍
@@pavs8736 haha indeed!
Also, adding a small amount of midrange saturation with something like fab filter Saturn is great for giving a bit more loudness. Genre dependent of course, but can really help elevate the track.
Great tip! Agreed
Yes I recently started doing this and it is superb 👌
@@brycebryant85 great stuff!
how do you go about that, just on the mixbus of whole mix ?
I'm so tired of the volume wars.
I am so grateful for all I've learned on this channel! Thank you Marc and thanks again Warren! God bless you all!
Thanks ever so much Michael!
Great tip. I like how adding the clipper before the limiter helps keep the mix open. With just the limiter, the mix flattened out and lost the open soundstage of the unlimited mix, but the clipper allowed that to be retained.
Absolute gold mine. It's not just the information, it's the presentation. One small example- having the in/out display while I've got everything running thru my monitors makes it that much easier to experience what Marc is demonstrating. Many other techniques, too. Love it Warren! This channel is a f***ing gold mine.
always a pleasure seeing Marc Daniel Nelson on the channel
This video surprised me. My last two plugins on master bus are exactly the same with Marc, and it's how I use the clipper as well. Great tips! Thanks for sharing these!
Really good mix. The song sounds really 3 dimensional. I like the mix without the limiter
Thanks ever so much John
Such a simple yet powerful trick to have in the toolbox.
Marvellous!
My initial thought on chopping off those transients with the clipper was that it would destroy them and make the track sound flat (like the limiter did when pushed hard) Amazing how it does the exact opposite and gave them more punch.
Every MDN video is pure gold! Love this trick! I’m gonna use it!
Good to see MDN back on the Tubes… interesting useful and snappy as always! ❤️
Marvellous!
DEFINITELY more snap on the front of that snare. Wow. Great tip!
I need to focus in more on my limiting/clipping game.
Great Tip that I will try... but as a music lover first, it makes me so sad that we have to do this. The example track clearly sounded better before the limiting, and yet we feel we have to compromise the quality of our music to satisfy the loudness monster. I am soooo tired of bands loving my mixes, only to complain that they're not loud enough. I've been enjoying my 80's CD's for 30 years and they're way quieter than what I'm mixing today.
Neil Young's "Harvest." You gotta turn it up a little but then the emotional impact of the dynamic range is just pure audio magic.
I cringe every time someone puts proL on the master. Instant lifelessness. Do yall not get a demo first?
To be fair... the clipping trick helps a little.
And they keep remastering them to stay modern.With varying success.
Loudness is not gained at mastering or in the mixbuss.
Loudness depends on the production and mixing phase.
A song with a huge crest factor cannot be loud. Of course putting pro L on a highly dynamic song will not get you far lufs-wise.
Saturation, clipping, limiting, compresion on single channels is your friend. But you need to know how/when to use them.
And again, a well mixed loud song will always sound better than a super dynamic one. But to get there, you need experience, not just putting Pro L on the master.
This makes so much sense it hurts!
Thanks for sharing.
I love these Marc videos! He's such a chill guy.
Really glad I saw this video. I've been using both of these tools for the past 6 months as the last two plugins on the master bus, but always with StandardCLIP as last in chain. There's a setting called "Final Maximizer - use after Limiter" which is predominantly how I've been applying this plugin. I guess after a while my brain wired to think StandardCLIP is designed to always be used after the Limiter. Complete brain fart... I know. Thanks Marc, I'm going to try applying the approach you just demonstrated.
Glad to see you again! Thank you for your advices
Mark... You are always the BEST !! Never thought you'd be using standard clip being a pretty old plugin. ... Thanks a bunch to Marc & Warren for all these goodies.... !! :)
Wonderful video! love all videos with Marc on this channel! Thank you so much Marc and Warren
Best teacher and most inspiring engineer I know of! I learned so much and everytime I watch Marc's videos I want to mix mix mix mix : ) and I'm really getting better at it!
Thank you!
I was wondering - hope you read this - you are doing this on the 2bus, but wouldn't it work just as well or better to clip just the snare track?
Fantastic advice as always. The cleanest and most transparent clipping method that I’ve found is just to push Cubase’s channels into the red before routing it to a group track for the next stage of processing. They must have coded the program to try to avoid distortion artifacts at all costs! That method uses one less plugin too! It may well work with other DAWs too!
I'm not a Cubase user, but in a modern DAW and the "32-bit floating point architecture", you can only clip your signal if it comes out clipped from the master output. I doubt there is any clipping happening unless Cubase has some sort of console emulation going on.
Wow, this is a great demo, I face this issue all the time- definitely need to try this!
Marc Daniel salut from France you guy inspire me a lot this is gold gem’s
I really enjoy watching watch Daniel Nelson at work is love and passion for shaping and creating a wonderful mix is something that I have as well the information he provides is priceless keep them coming
Really good demo of this technique. I've really been trying to understand better, the relationship between limiters and clippers. The order you use them in a mastering chain is something I'm trying to dial in....also where a compressor comes into the picture. I wish more limiters featured a solo preview 1-1 feature like the Pro L2.
Marc, thanks a lot. Very well explained and demonstrated. Great teaching. I learn a lot from your videos. My favorite series on the PLAP channel. P.S. Your sense of humor makes the videos even better.
What a great idea/tip! I wonder if using a multiband clipper would be even better on the way in, to get a more surgical clip. I've never used one, but see they exist. Definitely trying this. Thank you!
What a dope lesson. Love this and love learning knew cool things I can do with plugins I use every day.
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much J J! Yes, Marc Rules!!
aha , now I get it . Did not get it ( anything) before on youtube. Thank you !
He’s back:-)
Marc have a very mysterious and great personality.
Make.Mine.Magic
Brilliant, Dr. MDN!
This was sick, big difference with sir clip in the chain! Sub’d, great teach🙏🏻
ridiculously great result
Awesome ! Thank you so much for sharing this !
Great tip. Thanks!
Yay! I use this technique too! I'm so happy to find validation. But, my ears aren't trained as well, so I often over-do it and need to have someone tell me that there's too much distortion. Thanks for a great video. I think some people think the clipper comes after the limiter, and that can make sense, but not usually! And I should add that I use standardclip too because it allows such high quality in its filters.
10-15 % rule Brian. When you like it come back 10-15%
@@marcdanielnelson317 Under control? :) I'm not there yet. :) But, yeah, I think that's the problem. Just a little green on the standardclip clip meters.... Thanks!
@@marcdanielnelson317 Can you spell out this rule for me, please? Do you mean when you like a mix, leave it alone and spend a fraction of the time that you did up to that point? Thanks in advance!
Great video Mark. Thanks very much
Nice to see Atticus still sleeping on the couch!
Marc, this was very educational! I want those plugins now! That demo track is seriously cool and hypnotizing. I vote for more instruction using that track! Thank you for sharing your expertise!
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH.
Great video! And Pro Tools Dark Mode forever!!! 🤟
I somehow just found this. Extremely useful information! I already hear a difference in drum transients.
I suppose I should come out from under my rock more often!
📯Hi Marc, this sound track sounds great, can I listen to it in full somewhere on Qobuz or somewhere else? thanks for this inspiring video. usually I use 2x Pro L2🔊
that intro though, Marc always reminds me of Harvey Keitel 😂 and the music too, I'm having flashback on Taxi Driver.
Love this guy. 👍🙏
Marvellous
Very nice Marc. Makes a lot of sense as well. Makes me want to do a clipper shootout now haha
I've got standard clip, jst clip, ik clipper and also the Acustica lift 3 as well.
Needs some experimenting with 🤓
Absolutely Paul!! Marc is awesome! As are you!
This is an interesting technique and i can hear that it works in preserving more of the original punch. My question is, WHY does it work? If the clipper is shaving the transient off anyway, surely that would mean it's gone before hitting the limiter? Just curious. Thanks :)
The limiter is in theory compressing the transients and the clipper is doing what you say. :Cutting off". Sometimes, not always but sometimes cutting off works much better than limiting.
@@marcdanielnelson317 Thanks for the reply Marc, I give this a try and it certainly does yeild clearer more transparent results! Keep up the good videos, loved your vocal automation one too. Thanks!
thank you for this marc! also a super enjoyable bit of music! :-)
I'm sorry but i almost never used a limiter because they take the juice and the life out of everything most of the times.. And i don't understand why would anyone do that.. The clean mix that was played in the beginning was out of this world amazing ! I wouldn't change a bit ! It was super loud and clean as a raindrop. I would just use a bus comp and that's it.
This was great!
Marc is amazing!
Yes, makes a very, very nice difference. (At least on this track.)
Great video- thanks!
Great tutorial!
Thanks ever so much
What's the song title and artist? Where can I buy it? I would like to listen to all of it!
What do you feel the limiter is accomplishing in this example? What would the result be if only the clipper was used? Thanks for these great videos!
Great stuff Marc, thanks a lot! I'm using the same technique in my final mix stage (or should I call it semi-mastering?). For me Limiter 6 from Tokyo Dawn Record was an absolute game changer. Excellent mastering compressor, clipper and (HF-)limiter in one plugin. Plus equal loudness feature. Killer.
Awesome
Amazing pro tip
Glad you think so!
what's the name of this song? great mix and amazing vibe!
Love these tips..
im learning
Fantastic
Wondering why he didn’t adjust the attack and release on the pro L2
The attack and release work totally different on master limiting than a compressor
Suprised he went with them settings.
Is this a mastering chain or a mixbus chain?
Mixing lectures by Harvey Keitel. It can't get any better!
Marc thanks for the class boss kkkkkkkk
Thank you
Fantastic
Great info
which iem does marc use?
Isn't this why they say to use multiple instances of clipping and limiting tools to bring up lufs without distorting :)
I'm confused. Forgive me for what I'm sure are stupid questions.
Are you using the StandardCLIP to reduce transient spikes before the Pro-L2, so that the Pro-L2 has fewer transients to clamp down on?
OR are you using the StandardCLIP to add harmonic distortion to make the transient spikes bigger, so that more "sparkle" remains after the Pro-L2 squashes the signal?
And finally, would increasing the Lookahead of the Pro-L2 accomplish the same goal as what you are doing with the StandardCLIP?
Que buenos tips , que plugins es el que esta en primer lugar? JCF?
This might be a stupid question (s):
Is a mix peaking at -8 LUFS intended to go through a mastering stage before getting released? And in that case: Does this give the mastering engineer enough room to do his/her thing, that is, tonally match a group of mixes/songs for an album/EP release?
Or is this a case of both mixing /mastering a finished product?
Things are changing very fast in this regard, and I understand there's no right or wrong anymore. But sometimes I get lost in the ambiguity of it, and I don't know where to draw the line.
What's the maximum (mix) LUFS average level for a later mastering stage to make any sense? "How much loud" is "too loud" to keep calling it a "mix" instead of a "master"?
I know mastering is not just about limiting and loudness, but I think you get what I mean.
I'm genuinely asking. I've been a top-down mixer for most of my career and I've always mixed/mastered everything myself (usually at the same time). But it started feeling like I was cheating somehow, and that I was becoming a one-trick pony (No matter what I mixed, it all sounded very similar). I only know one way to make things work in a mix, and this "template" workflow limits my creativity and thus, the end results I can get. So I decided to "switch sides" and go full old-school, but I don't really know where to start. I'm not getting rid of every plugin in my master bus, but I'm only leaving the basic stuff: soft/character EQ(1) & stereo comp (2), and subtle tape emulation (3)
But then again, after watching this video....I'm thinking "maybe adding back some clipping and limiting won't do any harm, right?" 😅😅 I promise to keep'em bypassed until the mix is nearly good to go.😂 I still want to leave enough room for someone else to master so... where do I draw the line?
I send my mixes off to master usually.. But if I cant or am asked to master things, this is where I start.
@@marcdanielnelson317 Right! Also a good touch for premixes/mix previews when shared.
@@marcdanielnelson317 I'm guessing they`re placed last, after your 2-track outboard analog "stereo-mix" chain, and right before the print track.
I'm a bit skeptical! This is hiding the artifacts from the Pro L 2 but wouldn't the artifacts still be created with the clipper?
How many copies of Standard Clip do you suppose you'll ultimately sell as a result of this one video Marc? Get that affiliate link up there.
oh, you are good....
What is the black unit to his right?
AT-101
@@marcdanielnelson317 Jesus...
is yer dog ever not sleeping? lol cheers!
Loudness Unit Full Scale
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I want what Marc has in his ears, anyone know what earbuds those are?
they are Meze in ears.
Yeah. He said he only uses them for making these videos (instead of using uncool-looking big cans) and casual listening, He said they're nothing special in another video, but I don't remember which one. My personal recommendation for serious mixing: Audio-Technica's ATH-E70s. The only ones I trust when working on the move. I even tend to favor them over the big ones in the studio. No ear shape or HP placement involved = as flat as you can get. He also recommended using a decent Bluetooth speaker to check how mixes translate. He uses a Bose Soundlink Mini II Bluetooth Speaker. Hope this info was useful.
Thanks i will check them out
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Would this be considered a last resort? Seems brutal to literally clip the audio data to give the limiter a break.
In this instance.. the limiter alone sounded way more damaged.
Welcome back, dad.
Using saturation ,then clipper then limiter...all the peaks are gone in the best way !
Marc = instant click!
Yes!! Absolutely
Agreed
Yep
Literally me this exact moment then saw this comment 🤣
I swear to God , same with me haha
Not a fan of loudness war. I enjoy older original recordings way more than modern overly pushed masters. Modern mixes sounds too grating to my ears. And it’s probably messing up with our hearing as well. But good video. I use ik multimedia trs clipper.
I agree. It's never a popular opinion, but the vast majority of modern recordings sound harsh to me if you turn them up.
Pink Panthers new album is pretty dope....
Hearing the distortion caused by the limiter is truly shocking
Yes, indeed
Yessssssss!!!!!!! Marc is back!!!!! It's been too long since a marc vid😁 great as always marc and thanks Warren 🤘
Where have WE been!! Where have you been, Marc? It's great to see you back, and with another great insight. For that reason, we'll forgive you. But don't let it happen again, right? Top flight, bro
Love this guy. Wish he was my next door neighbor.. hahaha.. And you too Warren!! ha
Did anyone else think the soloed section that was letting us hear the limiter sounded oddly like a John carpenter song. Could totally hear that in escape from New York or something
Haha I will go back and rewatch and relisten!