@@nathanchristensen3112 Ok if it's not a big deal why not you pay them for it? People like you who don't like to activate single brain cell for a second to understand the situation, are the reason why gaming industry is in such a fucked up situation. First there was fucking horse armour and nowadays you get 12$ microtransactions in 70$ games and battle passes like in mk1 and suicide squad. Slowly games that we love are being sucked into the abyss and if you don't see a problem in that then you are not a gamer at all. We are condeming it because we care.
y'all some of us just have pattern recognition. DMC V had mtx. It was a huge hubub. The game came out, they were less than inconsequential. Pretty sure they made no money off of it. RE4make got mtx. It was a huge hubub, since it was after the game came out. They were less than inconsequential. Pretty sure they made no money off of it and it became pretty clear they were corpo mandated. DD2...look, I don't need to continue this. Literally the only MTX that could have been argued to be prohibitive got patched so the item has 99x uses so you can just abuse the one you get in-game. And lookie that, 2 months later and no one cares anymore about it. Because the only people who did react to it are tourists and just got distracted by the newest worst thing (tm). Precision of fucking clockwork.
If you played the game for 5 minutes the “why” would be because the executives said so. If what ended up becoming micro transactions was a team effort between designers and excecutives than they did an awful job because the game actively hurts your ability to need to buy any of them.
Don’t you have to buy fast travel and character customization? Idk if people are aware of this but Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 just kinda let you do this shit with no additional fee. I also hate how people will say like “well if you played the game you’d know X” Yeah but I’m not playing it because I heard about the weird mtx for fast travel and character customization. I don’t even have that much of a hatred for MTX. I don’t love it but it just is what it is, I don’t take a hard stance. But I do take one when I’m going to be dealing with like, a developer hampering my ability to do basic things in the hopes that I’ll give up and just buy it. Idk, I guess overall for me, some things definitely shouldn’t be MTX, on a level that I would consider it being MTX in a game a deal breaker.
@@brad1426 you don’t have to buy fast travel and character customization. It’s just odd that they give you the option to do so. In fact to put it into perspective, you know how people give out free samples of certain things at stores? Well imagine if you went up to one of them and out of nowhere they gave you so many full boxes of that product for free that you never need another in your entire life. Now imagine after that they told you that if you wanted to you could buy that product from them by the palm full and at an overpriced value. That’s weird and stupid but like you already have as much of the product as you will ever conceivably need so what are you gonna do? Let me put it another crazy way. say some guy walked up to you and just dumped 8 trillion dollars in your pocket and then told you, “for every dollar you ask to borrow from me from here on out, I will shoot somebody in the head”. Oh my god he is going to kill people that’s so crazy!!! But also if you ever try to borrow money from him you are an idiot.
@@brad1426 because the point is-and this has been a pattern with recent capcom releases, just look at dmc v and RE4make-the mtx are less than inconsequential. I'm pretty sure you'd be better off spending your time "grinding" for them in-game than the time you'd need to invest in clicking the buttons needed to buy the microtransaction, and the price is a pittance, too. Token as token goes. Those of us who've been around and have two braincells to rub together noticed this pattern after RE4make, where it's clear MTX were corpo mandates so the designers just nodded, smiled and then sabotaged the living shit outta them.
The people saying "the microtransactions aren't that bad" are the same ones who watch their partner throw furniture around in a frenzy and they say "you know, he's had a rough day"
The reason why the conversation became about "the microtransactions arent that bad" is because many people who didnt play this or its prequel went out there and largely misrepresented what the MTX are, how they work and what they affect. This caused a reaction of people who actually played to respond with "they arent that bad" because they arent, they dont affect the game in any way. Also using the term "grind" here is funny because you dont even need to grind for any of the items in the game because they are so common, the mtx are clearly tacked on like many capcom game to appease some suits. It fucking sucks on all ends but i do wish when people talked about the mtx they talked about them more broadly in that they just suck that they exist rather than talk about what they do which is if youplay the game kinda nothing, they save you 30 minutes of standard gameplay that you cant even skip anyways so just ignore and dont buy them and actually play the game.
@@Electric_ Slandering the game as bad because of what the publishers forced the devs to include is incredibly small brained behavior, which doesn't surprise me coming from an Idyl viewer considering he wants OSRS to do away with Polls so that the devs can do whatever they want with the game, which everyone knows will be instantly add microtransactions.
@@Electric_ Yes, making the Pre-order and collector's edition bonuses also purchasable separately is comparable to *the angry Austrian man's mission from 1941 to 1945*. Galaxy brained takes all around! *since UA-cam apparently doesn't like the H-word
If you tell them you refuse to buy it because it has microtransactions they try to guilt you into feeling bad for the company or insult you for being cheap. I also enjoyed bg3 and look forward to larian's next projects.
"then don't buy them" okay well we could say that for any single-player game with microtransactions and it would not make it okay either. I don't see why people bring the "just don't buy argument"
I think the acceptance of the microtransation is the worst part like sure I've paid a dollar to remove ads in mobile games but basic customization, nah they wouldn't get a dime from me in fact they would owe me money because I'd send the game back for a refund
You can customize your character mid game without buying the stupid book with real money. It’s an ingame item that costs ingame currency. Yes, it’s on the list item you buy with irl money, but you absolutely do not need to buy it.
This whole thing is overblown. Play the damn game, and don't buy the extra bling if you don't want. Heaven forbid I be able to buy accessories for my car.
Yea, the game doesn’t need micro transactions. But it has micro transactions , and everyone is making such a big deal out of it. Just acknowledge that micro transactions are bad and ignore the micro transactions. You don’t need them and you don’t need to prove that micro transactions are bad. It’s obvious they’re bad. But if no one acknowledges micro transactions and ignores them, it’ll almost be like it’s not there at all.
how about if things keep progressing the way they are, in a couple of years you will pay for extra save slots and to get rid of ads in games you already paid full price for. Is that bad enough or do you want to wait until you are charged by the minute?
I think it is pretty apparent that this is more on the corporate side of things forcing the developer to add some form of mtx. You really dont have any reason to pay for them during the main campaign. Then after the core game is done, the ammount of drops you get scale up so much i dont even seeing a use for whales to buy them. For example from killing one large monster i got 300+ RC. Ferrystones all over the place. Just looks to me like they were required to be there, but the developer made them useless in an attempt to maintain the integrity of their passion project as much as possible. Its just so laughably easy to get later on i dont see any way that they built them to actually make money.
All the more reason for us to talk about it and criticize it! Get as many people pointing fingers at the shareholders as possible and maybe the greedy dumbasses will learn a lesson
@GuntWastelander I'm not sure if you took my previous comment as defending the MTX or not. Either way my only real gripe with all of this is the people pointing fingers at the developers for it, pc optimization I can understand, but the MTX appears to be upsold to the shareholders knowing they dont know any better and damage to the players was mitigated as much as possible.
@@GuntWastelander Except that's not what happened. What happened is that people on the outside ended up thinking and therefore spreading that DD2 is a pay2win singleplayer game.
“Dark souls 3 is a 60 dollar game, there is no reason I should only be able to respec and customize my character a set number of times per play through”
There is no reason you shouldn't be able to respec and customize your character any number of times, regardless of the game, the cost or anything else. What a horrible game design philosophy.
@@SupachargedGaming I disagree. It’s not really an issue. It hasn’t been an issue ever for any game. There isn’t a single rpg I’ve played that lets you customize your character at any point you want without progressing to a certain point or spending some sort of in game currency. It’s like a non-issue. I mean if you want to be able to recustomize or respec your character a lot you can do it like… an hour? Hour and a half? Two hours into the game?
Let me tell you all about a "small studio" called Paradox and all their dlc. Yes I hate it. good things there is mods that add and fix stuff for their games.
So many of the same excuses that were made for Diablo 4 MTX are made for Dragon's Dogma 2 MTX. I honestly think its just pure cope to defend MTX at all, they will defend any anti-consumer practice because the video game is now part of their identity and any criticism of said product now feels like an attack on them as a person.
No, it's because the MTX in Dragon's Dogma aren't part of the equation when making the game. It would be like taking your favorite single player game that has no MTX and adding the ability to also buy things that you normally earn by just playing the game. Since it's a single player game and nothing was changed to account for MTX then you can ignore them completely and just buy and play the game and it's exactly the same to you as if they didn't exist in the first place.
@@obscurereference8798 also it's hella out the way. Like "no prompt whatsoever within the game" outta the way. Same thing that happened with DMCV and RE4make's MTX, tbh. Just proves even consumer advocacy has its grognards.
@@chukyuniqul yeah, I've played multiple Capcom games that have that microtransaction model and recently played some Diablo IV on GamePass. In the first day alone, I got more prompts trying to get me to spend money in Diablo IV than I did in all of my playtime in all of those Capcom games combined.
I paid $85 for the game, digital copy of course, so I already don’t realy own it. After that, I threw $20 in mocrotransactions because fuck it, it’s a single player game, mind your own business and don’t buy them. I just want to make sure there is a Dragons Dogma 3.
There’s enough good games out there now that there’s no reason to ever play games like Dragon’s Dogma 2 anymore. Not to mention so many replayable games. The studios only survive off people who are dumb.
I think for a lot of people, cosmetic items get a pass. I don't personally agree, but I've definitely seen arguments that cosmetics are fine for mtx because they don't break the game.
Oblivion horse armor is NOT analogous to mobilegame-style microtransactions. Horse armor was a one time purchase that could be accessed indefinitely on any character, old or new. The items sold in dragon’s dogma 2 are consumables, they only apply to one character a single time, and are therefore meant to be purchased again and again. And no I’m not defending the oblivion horse armor thing as good practice in the space, it’s just silly to act like things haven’t gotten demonstrably worse.
@@GuntWastelander ... wtf you talking about? No it's not? It's a single save on the game (probably to prevent flooding pawns, dumb reason same as animal crossing). It's a single edition purchase, not an ingame currency that you can keep buying You can't buy the deluxe edition twice in games
You can’t mind micro transactions in one game and not the other both need to GO even multiplayer games if it free to play it shouldn’t be in there unless they are doing what hell divers is doing and it’s just cosmetic that you can just grind in game if you want
You people are sad. You strike me as someone who has never played the game. Ignore them and play normally, I haven't even seen the microtransactions and I'm 50 hours in and thoroughly enjoying most of the game. Should they be in the game? No. Does it actually effect the game in any way? No one complained about Monster Hunter or the Resident Evil remakes transaction which are exactly the same. It's the same sad shit overdramatisation for views on social media.😊
They did. For RE4make as welll as DMC V (which is where this trend of capcom-brand MTX came from). But shock and horror, DMC V came out and the MTX were less than inconsequential (which in hindisght shows that the poor arguments for them were just itsuno unable to be bothered because he didn't care about them which, honestly, based). With DMCV the outrage was understandable. With RE4make, it was a bit reactionary but y'know, no pattern established yet. But with Dragon's Dogma (and any game following it), the outrage is straight-up braindead.
Solution, ignore it and play the game, it's not that hard, yes it's bad that a singleplayer game has it but complaining about it won't help, just ignore it and have fun in the game
Complaining and not supporting these ideas directly is literally the only means of communicating with publishers that they need to do better. It is LITERALLY our only vehicle for change. Brain rot take.
@@TMKing_MS or don't purchase the extra items so they don't make extra profit. I've been playing the game almost sense it released and until now completely forgot about the purchasable items
Not the first SP game to do it, obviously they target a game that's exactly not up their wheel house. But why are we okay with MP doing it? Don't pretend we aren't. Everyone is unhappy, but also buying them. But DD specifically is awful, but nobody cares that helldivers 2 does it, or RE4, or Oblivion. If we are to pretend it's about MTX purely, then putting arbitrary prices where its acceptable is weird, especially as these SP go on sale all the time. So is it okay when it costs 15 bucks in 2 years? Or if it's more multiplayer? Or does it need to be a sony game? Its cause we pretend that F2P "needs to make money", yet they don't make money selling to everyone, they make money milking every single user. But it's okay cause "we don't need to spend money", but that's not ok if we.. don't need to spend money also? Which is it? The issue is nobody are only targeting DD2 for it. Nobody gives a shit when it's games that aren't niche. I'm not defending mtxs. They will never go away unless legislated to go away. Capitalism will not prevent the exploitation of the gullible, autistic, disabled, and addicted people of the world. So it won't go away, doesn't mean we shouldn't critisize it. But why does nobody give a shit when other games do it? "That's bad too", but you didn't say anything. None of you did. Back in 2006, people joked about it, but nobody trashed bethesda. Cause people are fanboys of those trash games. That's all there is to it. So don't pretend to be morally against it. We can maybe suggest that this has a rallying cry, but all it is really is trashing one game. How do I know that? The response to every other example given is "that's bad too," that's not a criticism. That's a dismissal. Attack all games for it.
Click on that deuxe edition and youll see all the items on sale are part of the deluxe edition just being sold separately. Are we mad at every deluxe edition now. And where was this energy with games like AC valhalla selling weapon and armor sets with power in them.
Dude, the microtransactions in DD2 are mostly consumables. They’re meant to be purchased over and over like a predatory mobile game. And where have you been? This energy WAS there for shit like Valhalla and shitty deluxe edition nonsense. Why are you so pressed about consumers voicing their concerns? Why do you feel the need to defend the greedy decisions of publishers and stockholders? Pretty weird for a gamer to be actively opposed to making gaming better for consumers
@@GuntWastelander all the consumables are one time purchase you dont even know what you are talking about. One time purchase items that came with the deluxe edition for players who bought the standard. Yall are judging a game you know nothing about
Destiny 2 players burning holes in their wallets for like 10 hours of unique content every year with a ton of mid cosmetics in their shop: "First time?"
in the current climate half a bug can cause cancel culture to destroy a whole studio. They are all trying to get as much money as they can before some purple haired freedom fighter takes them down
sure these poor poor video game publishers, they can barely feed their families. You are literally defending millionaires from the people fighting against them exploiting you But good on you, at least you are contributing to making the already horrendous political discourse even worse.
@@totaleNonale im not defending anyone. Im just stating why they do something. The sentence "as much money as they can" kind of gives away how I see them. Which is greedy. Do you have purple hair by any chance?
@@anglerfish61 i don't and neither do i agree that anyone should lose their job over being offensive, but i am currently embroiled in a larger campaign for videogame companies to end consumer hostile practices that are effectively fraud. Explaining that they're afraid of being taken down is still defending them (like "they're just protecting themselves"), especially because i can't recall a single instance where these big videogame companies actually had financial repercussions beyond being forced to simply fix their games.
@@totaleNonale there is a big difference between stating a fact and agreeing with said fact. But you'll learn this with some experience. Good luck on the campaign!
Firstly let me say I have never bought any micro-transaction product in any game ever. (Over 30yrs of gaming) I agree the world and gaming space would be better without every inch and moment been monetised to hell. Unfortunately it’s never going to happen I can pay £15 for a cinema ticket and be forced to watch adverts I pay for subscription services that constantly try to fleece me with an upgrade or adverts or premiers So sadly it’s no different with the game space. Let hope we don’t have to watch 3mim of perfume or car adverts before I can play my favourite game. At least I can ignore store fronts
Hot take but if you could make more money selling lemonade with ice cubes instead of not selling with ice cubes. You’d sell the drink with ice cubes let the idiots pay for easy items and go and enjoy the game
Cold take. If ice cubes cost literally no money to add to your lemonade stand, and you don't think to include it as a full grown ass professional, you shouldn't sell lemonade or reevaluate your business.
Any person defending microtransactions in single player games it's just absolutely moronic.
But in multiplayer it isn't moronic? See that's moronic
no one is defending them, normal people just don't get all butt hurt about it move on and play the game
@@nathanchristensen3112 Ok if it's not a big deal why not you pay them for it? People like you who don't like to activate single brain cell for a second to understand the situation, are the reason why gaming industry is in such a fucked up situation. First there was fucking horse armour and nowadays you get 12$ microtransactions in 70$ games and battle passes like in mk1 and suicide squad. Slowly games that we love are being sucked into the abyss and if you don't see a problem in that then you are not a gamer at all. We are condeming it because we care.
@@nathanchristensen3112 Normal people are enabling greedy business practices and allowing them to get worse and worse
y'all some of us just have pattern recognition.
DMC V had mtx. It was a huge hubub. The game came out, they were less than inconsequential. Pretty sure they made no money off of it.
RE4make got mtx. It was a huge hubub, since it was after the game came out. They were less than inconsequential. Pretty sure they made no money off of it and it became pretty clear they were corpo mandated.
DD2...look, I don't need to continue this. Literally the only MTX that could have been argued to be prohibitive got patched so the item has 99x uses so you can just abuse the one you get in-game. And lookie that, 2 months later and no one cares anymore about it. Because the only people who did react to it are tourists and just got distracted by the newest worst thing (tm). Precision of fucking clockwork.
If you played the game for 5 minutes the “why” would be because the executives said so. If what ended up becoming micro transactions was a team effort between designers and excecutives than they did an awful job because the game actively hurts your ability to need to buy any of them.
Don’t you have to buy fast travel and character customization?
Idk if people are aware of this but Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 just kinda let you do this shit with no additional fee.
I also hate how people will say like “well if you played the game you’d know X”
Yeah but I’m not playing it because I heard about the weird mtx for fast travel and character customization. I don’t even have that much of a hatred for MTX. I don’t love it but it just is what it is, I don’t take a hard stance. But I do take one when I’m going to be dealing with like, a developer hampering my ability to do basic things in the hopes that I’ll give up and just buy it.
Idk, I guess overall for me, some things definitely shouldn’t be MTX, on a level that I would consider it being MTX in a game a deal breaker.
@@brad1426 you don’t have to buy fast travel and character customization. It’s just odd that they give you the option to do so. In fact to put it into perspective, you know how people give out free samples of certain things at stores? Well imagine if you went up to one of them and out of nowhere they gave you so many full boxes of that product for free that you never need another in your entire life. Now imagine after that they told you that if you wanted to you could buy that product from them by the palm full and at an overpriced value. That’s weird and stupid but like you already have as much of the product as you will ever conceivably need so what are you gonna do?
Let me put it another crazy way. say some guy walked up to you and just dumped 8 trillion dollars in your pocket and then told you, “for every dollar you ask to borrow from me from here on out, I will shoot somebody in the head”. Oh my god he is going to kill people that’s so crazy!!! But also if you ever try to borrow money from him you are an idiot.
@@brad1426 because the point is-and this has been a pattern with recent capcom releases, just look at dmc v and RE4make-the mtx are less than inconsequential. I'm pretty sure you'd be better off spending your time "grinding" for them in-game than the time you'd need to invest in clicking the buttons needed to buy the microtransaction, and the price is a pittance, too. Token as token goes.
Those of us who've been around and have two braincells to rub together noticed this pattern after RE4make, where it's clear MTX were corpo mandates so the designers just nodded, smiled and then sabotaged the living shit outta them.
The people saying "the microtransactions aren't that bad" are the same ones who watch their partner throw furniture around in a frenzy and they say "you know, he's had a rough day"
If this game was bad, it would be so much easier to hate on the mtx. I hate the performance issues more.
The reason why the conversation became about "the microtransactions arent that bad" is because many people who didnt play this or its prequel went out there and largely misrepresented what the MTX are, how they work and what they affect. This caused a reaction of people who actually played to respond with "they arent that bad" because they arent, they dont affect the game in any way. Also using the term "grind" here is funny because you dont even need to grind for any of the items in the game because they are so common, the mtx are clearly tacked on like many capcom game to appease some suits. It fucking sucks on all ends but i do wish when people talked about the mtx they talked about them more broadly in that they just suck that they exist rather than talk about what they do which is if youplay the game kinda nothing, they save you 30 minutes of standard gameplay that you cant even skip anyways so just ignore and dont buy them and actually play the game.
“Leave the multibillion dollar corrupt gaming behemoth be”
@@Electric_ Slandering the game as bad because of what the publishers forced the devs to include is incredibly small brained behavior, which doesn't surprise me coming from an Idyl viewer considering he wants OSRS to do away with Polls so that the devs can do whatever they want with the game, which everyone knows will be instantly add microtransactions.
@@pwn3ronetwothree “they were just following orders”
@@Electric_ Yes, making the Pre-order and collector's edition bonuses also purchasable separately is comparable to *the angry Austrian man's mission from 1941 to 1945*. Galaxy brained takes all around!
*since UA-cam apparently doesn't like the H-word
@@pwn3ronetwothree you are greedy game publisher’s greatest warrior
If you tell them you refuse to buy it because it has microtransactions they try to guilt you into feeling bad for the company or insult you for being cheap.
I also enjoyed bg3 and look forward to larian's next projects.
How many more ignorant people are going to keep talking about this without doing research on Capcom
"then don't buy them" okay well we could say that for any single-player game with microtransactions and it would not make it okay either. I don't see why people bring the "just don't buy argument"
Dammit Todd Howard, it all started with horse armor
I think the acceptance of the microtransation is the worst part like sure I've paid a dollar to remove ads in mobile games but basic customization, nah they wouldn't get a dime from me in fact they would owe me money because I'd send the game back for a refund
I'd just wait until I could torrent a cracked copy
You can customize your character mid game without buying the stupid book with real money. It’s an ingame item that costs ingame currency. Yes, it’s on the list item you buy with irl money, but you absolutely do not need to buy it.
This whole thing is overblown. Play the damn game, and don't buy the extra bling if you don't want. Heaven forbid I be able to buy accessories for my car.
take the clown paint off before posting
How do you still completely miss the point
The horses of elder scrolls would like a word
Ive given up on new entries with Capcom. Theyve progressively gotten worse.
But like most capcom games have this? Resident evil 4 has 27 paid dlc
Yea, the game doesn’t need micro transactions. But it has micro transactions , and everyone is making such a big deal out of it. Just acknowledge that micro transactions are bad and ignore the micro transactions. You don’t need them and you don’t need to prove that micro transactions are bad. It’s obvious they’re bad. But if no one acknowledges micro transactions and ignores them, it’ll almost be like it’s not there at all.
How about don't but them? None of them are necessary to have. How about just play?
how about if things keep progressing the way they are, in a couple of years you will pay for extra save slots and to get rid of ads in games you already paid full price for. Is that bad enough or do you want to wait until you are charged by the minute?
@@totaleNonale everything you just said was hypothetical and dumb
I think it is pretty apparent that this is more on the corporate side of things forcing the developer to add some form of mtx. You really dont have any reason to pay for them during the main campaign. Then after the core game is done, the ammount of drops you get scale up so much i dont even seeing a use for whales to buy them. For example from killing one large monster i got 300+ RC. Ferrystones all over the place. Just looks to me like they were required to be there, but the developer made them useless in an attempt to maintain the integrity of their passion project as much as possible. Its just so laughably easy to get later on i dont see any way that they built them to actually make money.
All the more reason for us to talk about it and criticize it! Get as many people pointing fingers at the shareholders as possible and maybe the greedy dumbasses will learn a lesson
@GuntWastelander I'm not sure if you took my previous comment as defending the MTX or not. Either way my only real gripe with all of this is the people pointing fingers at the developers for it, pc optimization I can understand, but the MTX appears to be upsold to the shareholders knowing they dont know any better and damage to the players was mitigated as much as possible.
@@GuntWastelander Except that's not what happened. What happened is that people on the outside ended up thinking and therefore spreading that DD2 is a pay2win singleplayer game.
The games fun though. The real problem is the performance
“Dark souls 3 is a 60 dollar game, there is no reason I should only be able to respec and customize my character a set number of times per play through”
There is no reason you shouldn't be able to respec and customize your character any number of times, regardless of the game, the cost or anything else. What a horrible game design philosophy.
@@SupachargedGaming I disagree. It’s not really an issue. It hasn’t been an issue ever for any game. There isn’t a single rpg I’ve played that lets you customize your character at any point you want without progressing to a certain point or spending some sort of in game currency. It’s like a non-issue. I mean if you want to be able to recustomize or respec your character a lot you can do it like… an hour? Hour and a half? Two hours into the game?
Let me tell you all about a "small studio" called Paradox and all their dlc. Yes I hate it. good things there is mods that add and fix stuff for their games.
Jeez. I didn't know video games were adopting the airline model of pricing.
Yeah the game is $70 unless you have a checked bag lol
honestly, the game isnt all that great either...
So many of the same excuses that were made for Diablo 4 MTX are made for Dragon's Dogma 2 MTX. I honestly think its just pure cope to defend MTX at all, they will defend any anti-consumer practice because the video game is now part of their identity and any criticism of said product now feels like an attack on them as a person.
No, it's because the MTX in Dragon's Dogma aren't part of the equation when making the game. It would be like taking your favorite single player game that has no MTX and adding the ability to also buy things that you normally earn by just playing the game. Since it's a single player game and nothing was changed to account for MTX then you can ignore them completely and just buy and play the game and it's exactly the same to you as if they didn't exist in the first place.
@@obscurereference8798 also it's hella out the way. Like "no prompt whatsoever within the game" outta the way.
Same thing that happened with DMCV and RE4make's MTX, tbh. Just proves even consumer advocacy has its grognards.
@@chukyuniqul yeah, I've played multiple Capcom games that have that microtransaction model and recently played some Diablo IV on GamePass. In the first day alone, I got more prompts trying to get me to spend money in Diablo IV than I did in all of my playtime in all of those Capcom games combined.
Ea games did it first, years ago Those guys are not even creative on scaming people
dmc ?
I paid $85 for the game, digital copy of course, so I already don’t realy own it. After that, I threw $20 in mocrotransactions because fuck it, it’s a single player game, mind your own business and don’t buy them. I just want to make sure there is a Dragons Dogma 3.
There’s enough good games out there now that there’s no reason to ever play games like Dragon’s Dogma 2 anymore. Not to mention so many replayable games. The studios only survive off people who are dumb.
Profit incentive and greed ruin everything SMH
Capitalism ruins everything
It's very much not weird. Horse armor. Whether it's good or not is a different question.
I think for a lot of people, cosmetic items get a pass. I don't personally agree, but I've definitely seen arguments that cosmetics are fine for mtx because they don't break the game.
Oblivion horse armor is NOT analogous to mobilegame-style microtransactions. Horse armor was a one time purchase that could be accessed indefinitely on any character, old or new. The items sold in dragon’s dogma 2 are consumables, they only apply to one character a single time, and are therefore meant to be purchased again and again. And no I’m not defending the oblivion horse armor thing as good practice in the space, it’s just silly to act like things haven’t gotten demonstrably worse.
@@GuntWastelander
... wtf you talking about? No it's not? It's a single save on the game (probably to prevent flooding pawns, dumb reason same as animal crossing). It's a single edition purchase, not an ingame currency that you can keep buying
You can't buy the deluxe edition twice in games
You can’t mind micro transactions in one game and not the other both need to GO even multiplayer games if it free to play it shouldn’t be in there unless they are doing what hell divers is doing and it’s just cosmetic that you can just grind in game if you want
My man speaking the truth. Wtf has this come to
Real and faxxxx 🎉
Preach, bruv!
You people are sad. You strike me as someone who has never played the game. Ignore them and play normally, I haven't even seen the microtransactions and I'm 50 hours in and thoroughly enjoying most of the game. Should they be in the game? No. Does it actually effect the game in any way? No one complained about Monster Hunter or the Resident Evil remakes transaction which are exactly the same. It's the same sad shit overdramatisation for views on social media.😊
They did. For RE4make as welll as DMC V (which is where this trend of capcom-brand MTX came from). But shock and horror, DMC V came out and the MTX were less than inconsequential (which in hindisght shows that the poor arguments for them were just itsuno unable to be bothered because he didn't care about them which, honestly, based).
With DMCV the outrage was understandable. With RE4make, it was a bit reactionary but y'know, no pattern established yet. But with Dragon's Dogma (and any game following it), the outrage is straight-up braindead.
cheat engine no?
video was good until you praised the unfinished at launch unplayable buggy mess that is BG3 as perfect
Solution, ignore it and play the game, it's not that hard, yes it's bad that a singleplayer game has it but complaining about it won't help, just ignore it and have fun in the game
Complaining and not supporting these ideas directly is literally the only means of communicating with publishers that they need to do better. It is LITERALLY our only vehicle for change. Brain rot take.
@@TMKing_MS or don't purchase the extra items so they don't make extra profit. I've been playing the game almost sense it released and until now completely forgot about the purchasable items
@@nathanchristensen3112 The premise stated that complaining won't help. My argument is that buying will only exacerbate the issue.
Not the first SP game to do it, obviously they target a game that's exactly not up their wheel house.
But why are we okay with MP doing it? Don't pretend we aren't. Everyone is unhappy, but also buying them. But DD specifically is awful, but nobody cares that helldivers 2 does it, or RE4, or Oblivion.
If we are to pretend it's about MTX purely, then putting arbitrary prices where its acceptable is weird, especially as these SP go on sale all the time. So is it okay when it costs 15 bucks in 2 years? Or if it's more multiplayer? Or does it need to be a sony game?
Its cause we pretend that F2P "needs to make money", yet they don't make money selling to everyone, they make money milking every single user. But it's okay cause "we don't need to spend money", but that's not ok if we.. don't need to spend money also? Which is it?
The issue is nobody are only targeting DD2 for it. Nobody gives a shit when it's games that aren't niche.
I'm not defending mtxs. They will never go away unless legislated to go away. Capitalism will not prevent the exploitation of the gullible, autistic, disabled, and addicted people of the world.
So it won't go away, doesn't mean we shouldn't critisize it. But why does nobody give a shit when other games do it? "That's bad too", but you didn't say anything. None of you did. Back in 2006, people joked about it, but nobody trashed bethesda. Cause people are fanboys of those trash games. That's all there is to it.
So don't pretend to be morally against it.
We can maybe suggest that this has a rallying cry, but all it is really is trashing one game. How do I know that? The response to every other example given is "that's bad too," that's not a criticism. That's a dismissal. Attack all games for it.
Click on that deuxe edition and youll see all the items on sale are part of the deluxe edition just being sold separately. Are we mad at every deluxe edition now. And where was this energy with games like AC valhalla selling weapon and armor sets with power in them.
Dude, the microtransactions in DD2 are mostly consumables. They’re meant to be purchased over and over like a predatory mobile game. And where have you been? This energy WAS there for shit like Valhalla and shitty deluxe edition nonsense. Why are you so pressed about consumers voicing their concerns? Why do you feel the need to defend the greedy decisions of publishers and stockholders? Pretty weird for a gamer to be actively opposed to making gaming better for consumers
@@GuntWastelander Stop being a bully 😡 leave alone the gamer defending the billion dollar company! /s
@@GuntWastelander all the consumables are one time purchase you dont even know what you are talking about. One time purchase items that came with the deluxe edition for players who bought the standard. Yall are judging a game you know nothing about
@@GuntWastelander dude lying makes you look like a fkn clown
Well they are needed in multi-player games. But for real this is a single player game. Just sell me some DLC!!
Destiny 2 players burning holes in their wallets for like 10 hours of unique content every year with a ton of mid cosmetics in their shop: "First time?"
I think that the bigger problem is that this sets a dangerous precedent for futures single player games.
Then just don’t buy them wtf? I ain’t getting them and it isn’t adding or subtracting from my experience.
in the current climate half a bug can cause cancel culture to destroy a whole studio. They are all trying to get as much money as they can before some purple haired freedom fighter takes them down
sure these poor poor video game publishers, they can barely feed their families.
You are literally defending millionaires from the people fighting against them exploiting you
But good on you, at least you are contributing to making the already horrendous political discourse even worse.
@@totaleNonale im not defending anyone. Im just stating why they do something. The sentence "as much money as they can" kind of gives away how I see them. Which is greedy. Do you have purple hair by any chance?
@@anglerfish61 i don't and neither do i agree that anyone should lose their job over being offensive, but i am currently embroiled in a larger campaign for videogame companies to end consumer hostile practices that are effectively fraud.
Explaining that they're afraid of being taken down is still defending them (like "they're just protecting themselves"), especially because i can't recall a single instance where these big videogame companies actually had financial repercussions beyond being forced to simply fix their games.
@@totaleNonale there is a big difference between stating a fact and agreeing with said fact. But you'll learn this with some experience. Good luck on the campaign!
@@anglerfish61 what an arrogant thing to say
Firstly let me say I have never bought any micro-transaction product in any game ever. (Over 30yrs of gaming)
I agree the world and gaming space would be better without every inch and moment been monetised to hell.
Unfortunately it’s never going to happen I can pay £15 for a cinema ticket and be forced to watch adverts
I pay for subscription services that constantly try to fleece me with an upgrade or adverts or premiers
So sadly it’s no different with the game space. Let hope we don’t have to watch 3mim of perfume or car adverts before I can play my favourite game. At least I can ignore store fronts
Hot take but if you could make more money selling lemonade with ice cubes instead of not selling with ice cubes. You’d sell the drink with ice cubes let the idiots pay for easy items and go and enjoy the game
Cold take. If ice cubes cost literally no money to add to your lemonade stand, and you don't think to include it as a full grown ass professional, you shouldn't sell lemonade or reevaluate your business.
Helldivers 2 has the best micro because you can get the super credits in missions I have gotten both battle passes without spending a dime😂
But you can do the same in dragons dogma ??
Who are you to talk about it?? Didn't know you were the president of MMOs or something
You don’t need to buy them to enjoy the game. Stop crying.
grow up and do research on how games are made. no every game dev team has the freedom to make all the decisions for their game.
He didn't say a word about the devs being to blame for that.
Then just don't fucking buy them grind. Let the fools with money to burn pay for them
Sheep buy wool. News at 11
Its 54 quid uk