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I wasted years trying to memorize all scales and positions on the fretboard when all I had to do was this.. I sure wish someone would have showed me earlier!
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#1 is called call and response. It’s the base of Blues and Jazz and everyone needs this as a musician
Yes!
That advice for #3… humming a response to a backing track and then finding different ways to play it all over neck, etc. is amazing advice! I’m definitely going to put that into my practice now. I almost always know what I’d LIKE to “say”, but I cant always naturally find it like that.
Thanks for the out of the box thinking exercise, subscribed 🤘🏼
It's always easy to hit the correct first note by sliding to it. After your ears get good at intervals, you will know the correct distances to jump to on that string. Eventually, you also can quickly see the caged shape you are in. If your ears get good at hearing modes, you can also quickly feel the mode you are in. So.....I don't think you wasted your time with the scale memorization. The improv is always better when you can quickly establish scales, caged shapes, and modes. Great video.
I can't believe I never found this channel before. A lot of these ideas were taught to me 20 years ago in beginning orchestra. I just never tried applying them to the guitar. As a self taught guitarist who played other instruments many years ago, these ideas and concepts are exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks!!
A few years ago, I came across a guitar lesson on youtube from Barney Kessel. This is basically what he taught. The lesson was in black and white, looked like the 50s or 60s. Made a lot of sense but I dismissed it until a few months ago. Then I started implementing it as part of my regular practice. Makes a big difference. Now I just found this. Very helpful.
I remember an interview with Paco De Lucia about how he had to change his playing and approach to music in order to play with Al Di Meola and the other jazz players. He asked them how they knew what to play when in that conversation together, and they didn't really have an answer. He eventually got there, but said it was like rewiring his brain and he had terrible headaches as a result. He did it without being able to read music, which is very interesting
It might be an over simplification, but one of the most useful tips i was given years ago was "approach the music as a singer would, not a guitarist." It was on a short list of maybe 3 or 4 tips that helped immensely, and almost instantaneously.
Another one was when i bought a guitar that i really liked, but had a much fatter neck than i was used to, and i was having difficulty because i don't have big hands. This was a problem because i preferred classic models like Strats, Tele, Les Paul, ES335s, etc. Moreover, most of the ones I like had fatter necks: 50s Strat and Les Pauls etc.
The advice was really given to someone else i was with who didn't get what he meant, but i immediately did. He told him "play on top of the fretboard, not through it." I remember picking a guitar up and started to play keeping that in mind, and it literally was instantly easier to play.
Makes perfect sense: questions and answers, call & response. Music is language.
AH! The guitar grimoire!!! I love that collection!
The are plenty of lessons on You Tube ..but David gives you the Zen of making actual music
It always comes back to hearing. The music systems of harmony, scales, modes and whatever are all trying to teach the student a basic framework to move from and point out notes that might not work. If you look at the fretboard and know what sound is going to come from that fretted note, you can be free to improvise. Then the patterns can simplify the process in complimenting the progression. Ear training is the most important.
Thank you!. Good explantion about the scales and modes at the beginning. For myself I would sum it up like this. Even knowing that stuff, I found it too hard to bring up or use the changing scales and modes on the fly to solo. No time to think "now I need dorian... oh chord just changed now I need this scale.." impossible for me to improvise that way. Great for analysing something that exists, but in real time there too hard to get there without falling behind and eventually forgetting everything I initially wanted to say.
You said the absolute TRUTH: put yourself in the beginner's shoes. Bravo!
Nicely done articulating some “scary” topics on solos and improv. One of the best pieces of advice I’ve heard for writing solos is to write it like you’d sing it. When singing you must breath so in soloing breaks make your player notes stand out and feel more natural. The vocal call&response and vocal imitation touched on here are good examples. I use vocal improvising to help me out of a solo block. This is good advice for majority of guitar players wether 30 days or 30 years. Maybe not if you’re into math core or bumblebee solos but for just about all other general guitar styles. Great video!
I'm a "self taught" guitarist meaning magazines and videos. I swear the reliance on scales and modes as the be-all-end-all from so many teachers really hampered my playing. They never introduced learning inversions, triads, and not breaking out of the pentatonic scales.
So true
Fantastic advice....the theme of singing the melody before playing it is so right on....same thing when it comes to writing songs. I love when you brought home the idea to think like a beginner even if you have been playing for decades. Ego gets in the way when you think you know what you are doing...remember the energy and creativity when you first started playing that you lost with knowledge?? One of the best lessons I have ever seen on UA-cam!
Man what a comprehensive lesson bro. Very well explained and broken down.
This is a real stumbling point for me, but I think I’m ready to tackle it now. Thanks, David.
To my eternal shame I had to go into singing class to get my grades because I couldn't cut it in guitar improvisation, bonus points I had to get over myself and perform as a vocalist, sometimes without the guitar, the dredd. This is the lesson advice I need to put into practice.
I feel this exact same way about soloing. Another thing I think about is something Paul Gilbert calls "breath dynamics". It's basically just stopping after a phrase the same way you might stop after a sentence for a brief second to make sure people understand what you've just declared. Eric Clapton said that when he stops singing with his voice he starts singing with his guitar and that's why I think he has such a melodic and almost vocal guitar style.
Yup I learned most of my stuff from Paul Gilbert's vhs the triads and Petrucci dvd and Satriani legatos
@DavidWalliman I've been following you for a while and I can tell you have leveled up your already fantastic teaching game! The explanation on this video was SO clear and the technique of hooking up the next video was very clever. Good job!
I know that you probably want to get sales on your guitar workshop but I'm 15 so I'm not gonna spend money on much, but these videos of yours have really been helping me. It's no bs guitar knowledge.
Thanks so much my friend!
Bloody brilliant lesson. Again!
love this! im self taught for about 15 years and i never really look down at my guitar while playing at all, i just sit there, and whatever i hear pop in my head like a sound or riff, then i just play that, so i play what i hear in my head, and i love just going on long adventures for like 20 minutes just jamming to myself all over the neck, i still have so much to learn of course though, but, im very thankful for what i can perform at least. :) your videos help us all a shit ton thank you sir
Wow! It’s seems like an obvious approach and simple in concept. And it makes so much sense!! Thank you for this!! I have just discovered your videos and I have found them very useful. Although I play bass guitar the approach can be similar. Thank you for this fantastic instruction! - Chip
What!!!! This is so great!! Thank you for sharing this!
following your line of videos. This is stuff I already know but really nice hearing your take and put it in that logical sequence. Great job.
I'm going to try this! I've done similar for a while now, but haven't changed up my backing tracks. Thanks for the great advice.
Thanks David I really need this lesson.
Wooph just joined the free workshop collection on the site. If this is asa good as it look then I am really pleased with it. Thanks
This is actually so good
you explain how to think about music in such a cool way
I taught myself to play from UA-cam videos, guys like Marty Swartz are my teachers. Fifteen years down the line.. I've never played a single scale in my life. I've never considered music theory. I learned to read guitar tablature out of Acoustic Guitar for Dummies. Came in a box, with a guitar and some picks and a tuner. I've since graduated to an Ibanez Gio (red) and the most amazing amplifier I've ever seen, it's a Peavy modeling amp. VIP-01.
I must say, I'm picking up a lot from you and I'm glad that I subscribed.
This is pretty good work, man.
Really great way to frame the improvisation process.
Great advice. Players like Paul Gilbert and Tim Pierce have mastered this.
I found this channel so helpfull, there so many other creators-musician but their content is not even in half stricte like your channel
Just discovered and enjoying your unique psychological and musical interpretation.
Great lesson
David, I just found your channel. I mainly play acoustic guitar. That said, If you or one of the other posters here can let me know where I can find backing tracks to play along with. I'm ready to give it a go. This work will undoubtedly help my playing (and hearing) evolve. Many thanks.
I look as scales as if they are lights on the board, how bright they are is nothing more than a guide. I way prefer to play in the dark though only opening my eyes once in a while to make sure I can see a little glimer of that light. :) nice vid,
Great video.
A conversation...damn, that makes perfect sense. Thanks 🤘
bery nice this method about singing and then playing
The conversation voice jam thing. Thankyou.
Love it ! Thanks David🇫🇷👍🏼🍒
So I’m a self taught guitarist and after watching this video I’ve realized that I’ve been doing this as an exercise and didn’t even know that I’ve been doing it. This was a really great video I am going to really focus more on this to get the most out of it.
Now FINALLY I know how to jump to another guitar level !!!
Thank you !!!
I'd just like to throw in another important factor in the ''having a good conversation with a friend'' concept - you need to have a rapport, if it's not there, then whatever you're going to say will keep falling flat on its face. When you jam with friends/trusted fellow musicians, it's like you're trying to develop a kind of intuition or even a kind of telepathy that you all share and keeps you on the same wavelength.
Oh man.. I just found you and I love the way you explain things. You are such a good teacher. I am a beginner. My guitar is coming in the mail tomorrow. My son and I are planning on learning together. He is 17. I can’t wait to start playing. I know these videos are above our level.. but… We will get there! What advice do you have for a couple of beginners?
Thank you so much!!
Learning scales is like studying vocabulary. You don't have to know a million words to have a conversation. You can have very simple conversations. But if you have a large vocabulary and a command of the language you can be the most eloquent person in the room. It's the difference between nursery rhymes and poetry.
Awesome video! Paul Gilbert does that sing before you play exercise too. I need to start doing that! What kind of guitar is that? Sounds great!
Good exercise idea.
Only a small percentage of us have been paid to get people dancing. Electric guitar grew out of Hawaiian/Steel guitars which were sometimes the ONLY electric instruments in a crowded bar or dance party in a hall or club. It was expected that the guitar kept the rhythm for the dancers... we are "the rhythm section" so whether on steel in the 40s or your Gretsch or Fender in the 50s, your "soloing" was really about telling the dancers where the beat for their feet was when the singer wasn't singing. Teenage boys want to geek out at soloing.... most people don't care. They want to dance... or tap their toes and bob their heads to a feel. The soloists you love the most can do that. Most guitar players are weak at this most important of skills because they have never had to do it. My heroes taught me to focus on the rhythm hand whether soloing or not and then I got paid to sub for them when I got old enough. CAGED (and know your changes) plus RHYTHM is where the magic is.
Cool topic to find. 🙂
I used to turn on the radio and find a channel with music. Sometimes it was jazz. Other times top fourty or Latin. I would play along. I would listen to what was playing and play behind the melody with a counter melody. Or, I would start at the top of my range and try to run a solo across the music that only went down. With as few changes in direction as possible. Then I would work my way back up. I had a seven plus octave range. Trombone.
Then I would focus on playing the holes. Fitting in between what they were playing. Or, starting a Phrase at the end of one of theirs and see if I could anticipate and lead into their next. I had to do it that way because I had no idea or familiarity with most of the songs they were playing. I also avoided trying to know the key. It interfered with my “intuition “. Lol
This was mostly in live jams. This would be at a jazz club with retired big band musicians. I even got to sit in with the Thundering Herd once and with Dominic Speara.
Learned a lot.
Your singing the licks reminded me of that.
Great information.
Thank you.
I mean, I never thought of scales as the thing that will make me good at improvising if I know them, just that it was a tool that would allow me to improv at all. Basically I learn caged scales not to run them up and down but to have an idea of which notes I can afford to pick on the guitar. Its hard to imagine something and play it when the only thing you do is hit random notes and see which ones stick, if you think of a melody and somehow arrive how to play it, what you learnt is just that "these specific notes are fine if played together" which is essentially the same thing as a scale, you are still learning what notes sound good together and thus learning scales, just in a different way.
The "just do it" mindset is actually what put me off from learning improvisation for as long as it did, me thinking that "oh I cannot just think of something and play it, maybe later". Seeing that scales are a thing was a reached out hand that said "this is where you can start, you dont have to have perfect pitch to be able to play what you want" and being able to actually play something that wasnt dissonant was a pretty big game changer.
I get that just having scales memorized will not get you into advanced guitarist level but this video just makes it out to seem like they arent important at all. I would say that its pretty important not to sound like shit while playing, being able to do "just play something" on a whim is only a side effect of having scales commited to muscle memory or great ear ability- both being things that beginners dont have access to.
great experience
When I get in a rut, I'll try just random backing tracks, no cherry picking modes, styles or keys. More often than not I'll surprise myself.
Me too, it's a great way to break out of the otherwise inevitable repetition trap - Thanks UA-cam
Key, genre, beat... It's all emotion. Staying too long in one emotion will only make for a robot.
I always sing/create my riff melody or solo then work it out on guitar.
Aaahhhhh..... nothing like a congenial mind. Good thinking, man.
😂😂 I had your ad on UA-cam before your video started 😁
"you're only a half note away from the right note".
It’s like Victor Wooten says - if you hit a wrong note, you’re only one note away from the correct one.
That is artistic tension building, simply slide or bend up or down to the “ right “ note
i cannot play what i can sing and cannot sing what i play. what i can sing is just based on couple of notes in basic pentatonic scales, which is utterly uninteresting for me to play. for me best to improvise is knowing the mode of the chord progression and its home chord and solo to and from that home chord's notes ( and the mode's character notes ) regardless of the other chords (containing character notes of home chord notes and still make the home chord feel as home) in the modal progression. And it is a great way of learning and honing on the modal sound. But to really understand how to play modal may take a long time till it clicks. Then the modes become a net and a map of everything. I could not play anything meaningful without knowing the mode of the progression. Yes modal progression, not just sitting on one chord or a bass note and play scales, although this has to be the first step in learning the modal sound. I can never learn the simple way, but aim to bring simplicity into the complexity of my own understanding
Scales are mostly bullshit. And I DON'T say that as someone who doesn't know scales. I am familiar with all the modes and how they are derived/changed based on what note(s) is /are altered (not to be confused with the altered scale/chord). What I'm saying is that scales are FEELING. They're literally the "feel" notes around the (gasp!!!) chord tones. Here is the order of importance: #1 (by far) MELODY, #2 chord tones, #3 scales. When you get that AND you can have that conversation, you're golden. Listen to some explanations by Carol Kaye. She says it so succinctly. If you don't know what to PICK OUT from the scales, you may as well be flying blind.
I would change "know what you are going to say" (it's a improve so you don't know what you are going to say),
I would use a debate analogy "have a firm grasp of the theory (key/scale) you are putting forward so you can navigate any counter arguments (changes in tempo, chord progression, catchy phrases you want to echo) easily".
I've only had a few minutes to think about it but "know what you are going to say" sounds like the wrong way to say it.
Cheers Canada! 🍁
Glad I found this
Well done on the videos David
Another guitar teacher here
I liked all the notes you were trying to find by playing though 😄
Something tells me that John Scofield and the other guy from Tribal Tech would too (can’t remember his name)
David I found this technique by accident and thanks too you, you confirmed it.
I am not the "A" typical musical guru. In fact, since 5 years old, I am 66 now, I have messed with and loved guitars, can't form a single chord, nor remember it when trying too. So,,,,, I play copy by ear.
What is Vacum background music and where do I find it?
But isn't it important to learn scales because they train you to pick up on intervals? You may play a "right note" but without gaining some instinct as to where the next right note is, you're basically guessing based on whim. That just leads to more "wrong notes". The key is finding the notes on the neck that you hear in your head. To find them you need to know what the correct interval is otherwise you will likely stand only a slim chance of picking a "right note". It was once said that if you hit a wrong note you are only one half step away from the right note. I can start on a wrong note and show you how many ways you can consistently hit wrong notes if you don't understand intervals.
right but there are dozens and dozens of scales....i just play what i like...
Using the digitech trio helped me a lot with improvising over chord changes
What is that a part of ? Thanks
Dave Gilmore from Pink Floyd structures a lot of his solos/melody lines by singing them :) What an awesome vid some amazingly great ideas! I lost count of the amount of times I slapped my own forehead with realisation
great talk here, this fellow, like lets go to the pub, and have a guitar lesson without any guitars, just hours of talking trippin and drinking, this is the perfect teacher to teach the no guitar method,, pce,
i like this guy
Just stay in 🔑 .
Any chance to get that backing track?
What are you needing to learn before this step/practise/exercisd
But so how do I get an instinctive feel for knowing where the notes in my head are on the guitar... by playing scales I guess...(or in my case banjo)
Music is a about expression of thinking. Think about what you are sensing. Respond with an instrument of expression. Thoughts are not limited to words and requires little vocabulary. Vocabulary develops with usage of thinking. Instruments change but they do not change music but only the expression of it. Agreed to limitations on thinking musically are what spawned musical cultures and genres. Explore all limits including selection of instruments. Theory is both organizing and limiting and those two aspects cannot be separated. There are an infinite number of frequencies between and beyond those previously organized. Notes and scales are conventions. Total unconventionality leads to chaos (anarchy). Search for balance.
M8 I am sick of this learning to solo my ear works perfectly and I can work out melody's but not off the cuff if I just keep making up solos by ear will I eventually be able to do it naturally?
_helped me solos_
I spy with my occult eye, a guitar grimoire in those pictures which slide...
Also, Jason Becker could shred over slow blues. Still, he's leagues above mere mortals so....yeah...your point generally stands....
harmony of song is the most important
Yo. Third video in of "this will fix that." I have a pro tip. Remind us to like and subscribe before we go to the next video.
Thank you! Asking to like and subscribe doesn’t make a difference man. It only adds an additional CTA. I split tested this for months!
Yes but how do you do that without hitting the wrong notes
Guessing what notes within that "box/position " of the note you played. Goes back to knowing the scale/modes.
Think ..., new to the game
Let me guess Satan stood in front of you and said choose your three wishes I shall grant them to you
Bonjour David!
Great video, great teaching, great concepts, great playing, as always!
Please, what is the link of the video that you mentioned at 8’40”?
John :-)
Try click on the box in top right when it comes on
Title is..
Eliminate these things to improvise over chord changes
If you had your conversation on twitter, then all you need is a block button on your guitar LOL.
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The concept is really great, but how do you remember where the "good" notes are? Shapes and patterns help me to have an overview of the guitar neck and easily find root notes and such. I agree that scales can be bad for improvisation because sometimes the scale will decide what is played instead of the player, but I think I would feel really lost without them.
It happens without you being aware of it man.. You learn it by singing, putting the guitar down and replicating on the guitar. each time you do it, your muscle memory kicks in and associates those intervals with movements.
Try closing your eyes next time you throw in a backing track and just play. I bet yo'll be surprised at how quickly you get comfortable with it!
@@Wallimann I will definitely give it a try, thanks!
@@yorick021 another thing that might help, and is taught a lot when learning jazz, is making yourself hum/sing the notes you're playing in real time. it's obviously gonna be too hard at first if you play fast, so practice it slow first, but it feels really amazing when you realize "wow I can just hum any note I want, and play it without hesitating" and it doesn't take that much practice to do, just dedication.
Eventually some neuron will just fire off "that note you want is X semitones from here"
And hey , if you don't hit what you imagined, bend it till it sounds good :O
@@roscius6204 also this yeah lol you're only ever 1 fret away from being in key no matter which way you go!!
T'es bon !
Toi aussi!!
George Benson and David Gilmore very obviously hear what they play and vice versa. Demonstrating it by scatting or humming along their solos I think.
aha..the guitar grimouir
Well I know what I’m doing today hahaha
You play whatever you like . You got it , or you don't
Spoken like someone who don't.
huh??
@UCAhnShYEM9C9gmctm60Uxlg No.
@@Wallimann I think it's one of those self appointed gatekeepers to the mystical arts of music "You just gotta feel it man, you know?" who is ok so long as they only ever play Minor Pentatonic in front of the same 3 drunk mates for 20 years in the same village-hall on a Friday night.
The rest of us are tying to learn something, and I for one found this video very useful.
Thanks so much man! I’m always learning too. ;)
my strategy for that exam would be doing lsd
Lol
Oh I avoid it alright….cause I don’t know what to say anyways ,doesn’t come to me …..of course this is why I’m a 10yr beginner 😜
Soooo ….you incorporated endings of videos with click bait that we sorta have to “click” in hopes we can get “the answer” …oh you sly devil you , your lucky your lessons are so different from just about all the other 1000’s I’ve watched or I’d just not click outa spite 🤣…see you in the next vid, and the one after that ….and so on …..no wonder I get no sleep!
So no scale has helped you in anyway with solos not even in the beginning? You don't think it helps in any way? Love your videos btw but I do think there is a place for a scale
Oh yeah, scales are useful for sure.. It's just how you use them!
Thanks a lot for the nice compliment!
Should learn to rap.
3rd rule: "I should have an idea of what I am going to say before saying it." Maybe you should apply that advice to your videos...soooo many cuts and edits...it's disjointed and distracting.
It’s all analytics driven my man