The beauty of the sculpture is stunning! This is the heritage of the world 🌍 It MUST be saved. The Cham civilisation is precious. We hear so much about European history. The Monalisa is ensured for millions of dollars. But what about these treasures that are much older and magnificent?
Nearly 2000 years ago, Vietnam existence an Ancient Civilization known as Champa Kingdom. Cham is the Architect and magnificent towers and priceless stone sculpture. Their greatest and most lasting contribution was in Agriculture, Cham invented sophisticated system of irrigated rice paddy that is still in use throughout Asia…. So Cham is Great…
I feel very respect and very sorry for the people who created the gorgeous civilization. And for those people who destroy this culture doesn't need necessarily exist in history no matter who they are.
what exactly do you mean, I cannot find any indian connection to Cham and India, Nothing in India history talks about this, its much earlier than the Chola connection
@zzzpqd dude, look at how many people are in Vietnam and and the life expectancy is really quite high, it's 75 years old btw almost as long as in the U.S. if it was as poisoned as you say, wouldn't the Vietnamese die out by now?
@Ammar Error thank you for explaining. Makes sense because people living in Vietnam can look very different from each other. Some look really east Asian and others in the south look like Cambodian or Philippino. I know they're malay though.
Sanskrit was not spoken by the Chams. Sanskrit was the language of the Brahmans who performed religious ceremonies for the Cham rulers. Ordinary Chams spoke Cham.
Yes, we have different cultures. That is the beauty of Chinese Culture. We face it very well, already for 2000 years! What is the point you come tell us so late?!
The treasure was not a Vietnam (dai viet) people, its own by the people they genocide for thousand-year.....Its belong to Champa Malay People.....facts it facts
We Vietnamese always proud to tell that the Cham towers belong to Cham people from the kingdom of Champa, now located in the central Vietnam.. both Dai Viet and Champa are the two oldest kingdom of South East Asia..
Is war between two nation. What do you expect? The way them fough war in ancient time is different. Dont use the term genocide erc. Just battle between two nation and one win. If cham win. Will you use the same word? Dont be Hypocrite.
You finally did some homework. No insults, every people used to swing in jungles, but Luoyue did it longer than Han. They come of north Vietnam from Hunan and Guangxi border in China, 2000 years ago in small tribes, they have their limited used language but no Characters, that is why they was regarded as uncultured by Han. Even now you Viets can not fully understand Zhuang people's language who is your neighbour kin. How can you conquer that much bigger area up to Yangzi river? Think about it!
Huh...Earlier you said Luoyue only came into the picture 1,000 years! Haha...Contradicted yourself? No matter what excuse you make, indigenous Viets were already there when you Chinese came, you can't refute that. That makes you invaders, OK?
yes,I'm Vietnamese and in my opinion , it lost in the past, today, it just mainly used for travel, ,if it don't have worth, I think it should disappear in Vietnam, simply, this traditional very different with most of the Vietnamese
I only referring to Kinh people who is majority of Viets, ok, the other viets poeple like Champa, Kehmer, I am not very sure, they maybe come after Indian or Indonesian. But for Kinh people who is you ancestor? the answer is Chinese! many of the Luoyue people still surviving in China, some of them even still living on their origin spot, i.e. on Hunan and Guangxi border, no other Chinsee annihilated them, They are true Chinese now and loyal to the country, this is the beauty of Chinese Culture!
Khmer(Cambodia) people living in southeast Asia maybe 71000years ago and make FUNAN Empire 2000years ago and ever has Embassador with dong ou kingdom(three kingdom of Chinese history) so Khmer is the oldest people in Indochina but Vietnam just born kingdom about 1000years ago.
It's very nice for me call u "borrow". Wuyue is not your ancestor, they merged with Han 2000 years ago, they used to rule north Vietnam during the Three Kingdom time, but you hate them, you don't want to pay tax to them. How can you call them Grandfather now? Nanyue kindom is founded by 赵佗，chinese Huaxia's name, who is called Han later. They do mixed with local Nanyue people, but they had been moved by China emperor to Yunnan Province 2000 years ago. You Luoyue came 1000 years later than that!
Hey, you say Tibet is China's and is part of China's history since 1300. Ok, fine. How about BEFORE the year mark 1300??? did it belong to Tibetans? there we go, now you get it.
Kinh people is only partial descendent of Luoyue, all the rest are still Chinese! You can not even represent all Luoyue people, However, Many nowadays Vietnamese want to represnet all Baiyue people and claim all the land and Culture belongs to them. How dishonest is this?
Oh yeah, Vietnam has only 1,000 yrs of history "as a country", you said so. But the indigenous Viet people were already there way longer than that. If you say they only existed 1,000 yrs ago, then who were their ancestors? Not like they dropped down from the sky and specifically chose you to kick! As such a large populated ethnic who also successfully kicked you, didn't you notice their existence before the year mark 938?
You said what?! Cantonese is BaiYue?! I just cannot believe my eyes! They are the descendants of the people who dog fought with Baiyue! The Chinese soldiers sent by Qin Emperor into the land of south China including nowadays north Vietnam. Now you want call them grandfather?! Fine! that's not too difficult, I have a very good suggestion for you. Return you south land to Champa and bring you north land back to China, and all Chinese history belong to you again! Come home, Grandson!
Luoyue is not exactly the current Viets, They are ancestor of many other peoples as well like Zhuang's. You are not call yourself Luoyue but Kinh. Many LuoYue offspring are still Chinese nowadays. We are equal brothers now. Kinh people originated about 1000 years ago from north Vietnam. We did not invade you 2000 years ago simply because you were not exiting then. You can not take too much from us on anything happen before 1000 years. That is why we Chinese reckon Kinh is not honest on history!
This is pathetic. Who said all Chinese is Han descendants? China now has 56 ethnic groups embracing one country! How can you talk about "logical" while you are so confusing? I suggest you withdraw from this debate! like you withdraw the DNA evidence post, I respect your choice!
I don know what you are laughing at, Han was kinh's king at about 1300 AC years, Chen dynastic.Your Kinh people's own history started from 939 AC. Wu dynastic, when you firstly got independent from China. Before that, including three kingdom time, Luoyue people did exist there, but unfortunately, they were still Chinese! North Vietnam still belonged to China, . That is why current Viets has only about 1000 history as a country. Anything happened before that is China or Champa who is not Baiyue.
Can you understand any? I am asking you why we should hide anything? We are all Chinese embracing one country for 2000 years. Many of BaiYue descendants are not Han identification! but they know who is their ancestor. For example, we have a military scientist, 钱学森，who is descendants of Wuyue King 1000 years ago. We 1.3 billion people all know that! He is Han people now, becasue Wuyue merged into Han for 2000 years! What the hell is this anything to do with your Vietnamese?
I just ask one question so people here know who is a liar! When did I say the rest of luo Yue are Han Chinese? In present China, Zhuang（壮族）, Dong（侗族）, and Buyi (布依族）are believed to be descendants of ancient Luoyue, The total population is about 20 million. They are my fellow Chinese! living in Guangxi, Hunan and Guizhou. They are NOT Vietnamese!
Bullshit. The more u speak, the more u contradict yourself. Earlier u called Viets as "you Luoyue", haha... Many modern Viets (Kinh) are their offspring as well. Why Zhuangs don't call them as Louyue but as Zhuangs? Same goes for Kinh! Now you get it! I doubt that you even know what the word "Kinh" means.
I don't know why you suddenly change to Tibet topic? Are u Tibetan? But I can still answer you. Tibet and Han is relatives for 1500 years, We have loyal marriage since, during those long history time, rarely war broken, we cope with each other well, Tibetan also gradually moved into Han or other Chinese traditional habitat, like Sichuan. Nowadays, Han and other Chinese wish to coexist with them. If Tibet should be so called free, than all the White people should go back to Europe for long!
I am not surprise you can not understand, you do not have enough long history record by yourself. When Luoyue, your ancestor, comes of North Vietnam, Nanyue already went to Yunnan for 1000 years! In that 1000 Years, it is Chinses Han people farming and living in south China including north Vietnam, and your ancestor most likely was still swing in jungles nearby. This is your true history, truth hurts!
10 :56 kingdom Panduranga
Meaning of Panduranga
Pandu - white
Ranga - colour
I am from India 🇮🇳
In India lot's of people have name Pandurang
it's good history documentation from past that many don't want to hear about!
why would they not want to hear about it ? Vietnam had a strong civiization 2000 years ago, and probably the strongest in the area
The beauty of the sculpture is stunning! This is the heritage of the world 🌍 It MUST be saved. The Cham civilisation is precious. We hear so much about European history. The Monalisa is ensured for millions of dollars. But what about these treasures that are much older and magnificent?
@john48965 The Cham people of Vietnam are Southeast Asian Austronesians just like Filipinos, Malaysians and Indonesians.
Nearly 2000 years ago, Vietnam existence an Ancient Civilization known as Champa Kingdom. Cham is the Architect and magnificent towers and priceless stone sculpture. Their greatest and most lasting contribution was in Agriculture, Cham invented sophisticated system of irrigated rice paddy that is still in use throughout Asia…. So Cham is Great…
Very true! They wrere a genius race.
@@Indusxstan any books, online material available. I am interested to know more about the origins of the Cham and Champa civiization
So do we south China it belongs to Vietnam. China stole from us . We not crying like you
I SERVED IN THE VIETNAM WAR 1966 (USMC) , I RETURNED TO VIETNAM APRIL-MAY 2014...... I WILL BE GOING "BACK TO VIETNAM' .
My dad fought in the Vietnam War for the South - I'm glad you're interested in culture and country!
We are all VietNamese. We are brothers and sisters. Today VietNam is united. Make VietNam Great.
I feel very respect and very sorry for the people who created the gorgeous civilization. And for those people who destroy this culture doesn't need necessarily exist in history no matter who they are.
Hue , center of Vietnam. Has vast cultures and traditions, could not erase the frictions of history.
I like champa historical temple it should something that we never know
I love Vietnam
Gudimallam temple of Andhra Pradesh can be corroborated with My son temple of Vietnam. An idea only pl.
what exactly do you mean, I cannot find any indian connection to Cham and India, Nothing in India history talks about this, its much earlier than the Chola connection
I meant many BaiYue descendants are now Han! typo again.
@lucirz i agree, i was gonna comment on the translations. it was quite ridiculous how much it differed from what they actually said lol.
Revival of ancient sanatan dharma is essential and first priority now
@zzzpqd dude, look at how many people are in Vietnam and and the life expectancy is really quite high, it's 75 years old btw almost as long as in the U.S. if it was as poisoned as you say, wouldn't the Vietnamese die out by now?
Are Vietnamese Chinese? And the Cham people aren't Chinese ?
@Ammar Error thank you for explaining. Makes sense because people living in Vietnam can look very different from each other. Some look really east Asian and others in the south look like Cambodian or Philippino. I know they're malay though.
Vietnamese aren't Chinese.
Sanskrit was not spoken by the Chams. Sanskrit was the language of the Brahmans who performed religious ceremonies for the Cham rulers. Ordinary Chams spoke Cham.
Yes, we have different cultures. That is the beauty of Chinese Culture. We face it very well, already for 2000 years! What is the point you come tell us so late?!
It's not chinese.
The treasure was not a Vietnam (dai viet) people, its own by the people they genocide for thousand-year.....Its belong to Champa Malay People.....facts it facts
We Vietnamese always proud to tell that the Cham towers belong to Cham people from the kingdom of Champa, now located in the central Vietnam.. both Dai Viet and Champa are the two oldest kingdom of South East Asia..
Is war between two nation. What do you expect?
The way them fough war in ancient time is different.
Dont use the term genocide erc.
Just battle between two nation and one win.
If cham win. Will you use the same word?
Dont be Hypocrite.
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You finally did some homework. No insults, every people used to swing in jungles, but Luoyue did it longer than Han. They come of north Vietnam from Hunan and Guangxi border in China, 2000 years ago in small tribes, they have their limited used language but no Characters, that is why they was regarded as uncultured by Han. Even now you Viets can not fully understand Zhuang people's language who is your neighbour kin. How can you conquer that much bigger area up to Yangzi river? Think about it!
Huh...Earlier you said Luoyue only came into the picture 1,000 years! Haha...Contradicted yourself?
No matter what excuse you make, indigenous Viets were already there when you Chinese came, you can't refute that. That makes you invaders, OK?
yes,I'm Vietnamese and in my opinion , it lost in the past, today, it just mainly used for travel, ,if it don't have worth, I think it should disappear in Vietnam, simply, this traditional very different with most of the Vietnamese
joe miller Oh yeah, thank you foolish black
I only referring to Kinh people who is majority of Viets, ok, the other viets poeple like Champa, Kehmer, I am not very sure, they maybe come after Indian or Indonesian. But for Kinh people who is you ancestor? the answer is Chinese! many of the Luoyue people still surviving in China, some of them even still living on their origin spot, i.e. on Hunan and Guangxi border, no other Chinsee annihilated them, They are true Chinese now and loyal to the country, this is the beauty of Chinese Culture!
Khmer(Cambodia) people living in southeast Asia maybe 71000years ago and make FUNAN Empire 2000years ago and ever has
Embassador with dong ou kingdom(three kingdom of Chinese history) so Khmer is the oldest people in Indochina but Vietnam just born kingdom about 1000years ago.
It's very nice for me call u "borrow". Wuyue is not your ancestor, they merged with Han 2000 years ago, they used to rule north Vietnam during the Three Kingdom time, but you hate them, you don't want to pay tax to them. How can you call them Grandfather now? Nanyue kindom is founded by 赵佗，chinese Huaxia's name, who is called Han later. They do mixed with local Nanyue people, but they had been moved by China emperor to Yunnan Province 2000 years ago. You Luoyue came 1000 years later than that!
No idea what you are blah blah blah about.
We "Luoyue" came 1000 year later, from where?
Hey, you say Tibet is China's and is part of China's history since 1300. Ok, fine. How about BEFORE the year mark 1300??? did it belong to Tibetans? there we go, now you get it.
Kinh people is only partial descendent of Luoyue, all the rest are still Chinese! You can not even represent all Luoyue people, However, Many nowadays Vietnamese want to represnet all Baiyue people and claim all the land and Culture belongs to them. How dishonest is this?
Champa.no vietnam
@Jim24831: you are talking none-sense. Please stop 🛑 talking !
Oh yeah, Vietnam has only 1,000 yrs of history "as a country", you said so. But the indigenous Viet people were already there way longer than that. If you say they only existed 1,000 yrs ago, then who were their ancestors? Not like they dropped down from the sky and specifically chose you to kick! As such a large populated ethnic who also successfully kicked you, didn't you notice their existence before the year mark 938?
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You said what?! Cantonese is BaiYue?! I just cannot believe my eyes! They are the descendants of the people who dog fought with Baiyue! The Chinese soldiers sent by Qin Emperor into the land of south China including nowadays north Vietnam. Now you want call them grandfather?! Fine! that's not too difficult, I have a very good suggestion for you. Return you south land to Champa and bring you north land back to China, and all Chinese history belong to you again! Come home, Grandson!
trên thế giới có rất nhiều nên van minh những người tạo ra nền văn minh đó thì biến mất
Luoyue is not exactly the current Viets, They are ancestor of many other peoples as well like Zhuang's. You are not call yourself Luoyue but Kinh. Many LuoYue offspring are still Chinese nowadays. We are equal brothers now. Kinh people originated about 1000 years ago from north Vietnam. We did not invade you 2000 years ago simply because you were not exiting then. You can not take too much from us on anything happen before 1000 years. That is why we Chinese reckon Kinh is not honest on history!
This is pathetic. Who said all Chinese is Han descendants? China now has 56 ethnic groups embracing one country! How can you talk about "logical" while you are so confusing? I suggest you withdraw from this debate! like you withdraw the DNA evidence post, I respect your choice!
I don know what you are laughing at, Han was kinh's king at about 1300 AC years, Chen dynastic.Your Kinh people's own history started from 939 AC. Wu dynastic, when you firstly got independent from China. Before that, including three kingdom time, Luoyue people did exist there, but unfortunately, they were still Chinese! North Vietnam still belonged to China, . That is why current Viets has only about 1000 history as a country. Anything happened before that is China or Champa who is not Baiyue.
Can you understand any? I am asking you why we should hide anything? We are all Chinese embracing one country for 2000 years. Many of BaiYue descendants are not Han identification! but they know who is their ancestor. For example, we have a military scientist, 钱学森，who is descendants of Wuyue King 1000 years ago. We 1.3 billion people all know that! He is Han people now, becasue Wuyue merged into Han for 2000 years! What the hell is this anything to do with your Vietnamese?
I just ask one question so people here know who is a liar! When did I say the rest of luo Yue are Han Chinese? In present China, Zhuang（壮族）, Dong（侗族）, and Buyi (布依族）are believed to be descendants of ancient Luoyue, The total population is about 20 million. They are my fellow Chinese! living in Guangxi, Hunan and Guizhou. They are NOT Vietnamese!
Bullshit. The more u speak, the more u contradict yourself. Earlier u called Viets as "you Luoyue", haha... Many modern Viets (Kinh) are their offspring as well. Why Zhuangs don't call them as Louyue but as Zhuangs? Same goes for Kinh! Now you get it! I doubt that you even know what the word "Kinh" means.
So what?! We are all Chinese not Vietnamese! We do not have to be all Han. What you can do about it?
@Jim24831: you are talking none-sense !
I don't know why you suddenly change to Tibet topic? Are u Tibetan? But I can still answer you. Tibet and Han is relatives for 1500 years, We have loyal marriage since, during those long history time, rarely war broken, we cope with each other well, Tibetan also gradually moved into Han or other Chinese traditional habitat, like Sichuan. Nowadays, Han and other Chinese wish to coexist with them. If Tibet should be so called free, than all the White people should go back to Europe for long!
Tibet ws always an Independent Buddhist country until the chinese army occupied it brutally
Rubbish. Nice try.
I am not surprise you can not understand, you do not have enough long history record by yourself. When Luoyue, your ancestor, comes of North Vietnam, Nanyue already went to Yunnan for 1000 years! In that 1000 Years, it is Chinses Han people farming and living in south China including north Vietnam, and your ancestor most likely was still swing in jungles nearby. This is your true history, truth hurts!
Ok. What's wrong with that? Also you seem racist.