First Chinese Domination of Vietnam & Han Wudi's Conquest of South China - Han Xiongnu War 4
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Han wudi’s conquest of South China is one of those exciting instances when history collides and we are presented with competing narratives. In Vietnamese history, the fall of the kingdom of Nanyue marks the start of the First Chinese Domination of Vietnam. To the Chinese, it’s just another Tuesday.
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The discrepancies between Chinese historical sources (Shiji - 94 BCE & Hanshu - 111 CE) and Vietnamese sources are very interesting (Đại Việt sử ký toàn thư - 1479 CE). Which one you you think is more reliable? The Chinese version that’s written closer to the time the events took place or the local Vietnamese history written 1500 years later?
Most of Đại Việt sử kí toàn thư's records regarding this period was based on Chinese sources, with certain additions from native legends as well as adds and subtracts in order to create a unified cohesive narrative. It may be used for modern nationalism, but I wouldn't trust it for this time period.
@Tien Dat yes. Except most historical records of this period from Vietnam was referenced from Chinese sources.
Remember chinese history also altered by victors such as Tần Thủy Hoàng burnt books and killed scholars right after he conquered China for first time.
History is usually written by the victors. Vietnamese could only write their version when they gained independence. And Han Chinese burned Vietnamese history records when they conquered Vietnam.
A video about Minyue, ancient ancestors of Hokkien and other Fujianese people would be interesting.
Very interesting materials and great animations, I especially love how you got the Han period armors right, you've gained a new sub my good sir.
Liu Bang is such a troll of a person it's like if Han Solo became the emperor of the galaxy when he was still a scoundrel, before he met Luke.
Thanks!
Thank you, joela!
I have always been quite curious about Nanyue since I knew it in my adolescence. Zhao Tuo was certainly a legend. And I know more about his kingdom. It was after all the tension between two cultures embedded in its DNA that eventually brought about its downfall. This is really an underrated channel. Also, the video is conscious of history bias based on nationalism. Looking forward to watching more of your videos on East Asian history!
@진짜 전사 no because vn language and china language have different grammar structure... Zhao tuo just rules north vn ,guangdong and guangxi but people live here is yue people... And khmer ,vn thailand and laos language have similar grammar structure...
@AWMP ULT about Zhao Tuo, yes
@@ucchau173Ngôn ngữ Việt Nam và Trung Quốc trước thời Pháp đô hộ thì gần như 80% mượn từ hán trong tiếng Việt ! Và chữ Viết thời kỳ đó cũng là chữ Nôm tương tự chữ Hán sau 1945 khi giành được độc lập sau khi quân Nhật rút khỏi VN. Việt Nam mới bỏ chữ Nôm chuyển sang chữ Quốc Ngữ dạng chữ Latinh. Nên gần như thế hệ trẻ của Việt Nam không thể đọc được chữ Hán cũng như chữ Nôm như thế hệ của ông bà
@@letruongabc sai,chữ nôm chỉ có 31 năm là chữ viết chính thức của việt nam còn chữ hán là hơn 2000 năm là chữ viết chính thức của việt nam(nôm và hán khác nhau) ,nôm không quan trọng bằng hán trong lịch sử,tất cả quyển sử của việt nam trước năm 1945 đều viết bằng chữ hán,…😂😂
원래 중국 남부의 원주민이 베트남인의 조상입니다 실제로 23andme 라는 유전자 검사를 하면 베트남인과 중국 남부의 중국인은 같은 카테고리에 있습니다.
현재 광동성의 사람들은 몽골 침략 시대에 북쪽에서 몽골의 학살을 피해서 내려온 한족과 혼혈이 이뤄졌습니다. 즉 중국 남부의 중국인들은 대부분 한족이 되었지만 유전자 검사를 하면 지금도 베트남의 DNA를 갖고 있습니다
You can claim that Vietnamese is a branch of southern Chinese reversely too. DNA shows the relevance but it can't prove the succession between these two people.
The Vietnamese are a group originating from Hunan, but were later occupied by the Han Chinese and had to drift to present-day North Vietnam.
The Vietnamese are a group originating from Hunan, but were later occupied by the Han Chinese and had to drift to present-day North Vietnam.
According to the One China policy, the tribes south of the Yangtze River were also called Han people, but south of the Yangtze River there were many separate tribes (called Baiyue).
The Han ethic group is not based on DNA but culture. It is a mixed group of people that have been assimilated into the Han Chinese culture.
I apppreciate that you put the Vietnamese names in it. Thank you from Vietnam
自己分裂出去，还想霸占全部历史
Finally an Asian narrating Historical stuff in English! Thanks from an English speaking Chinese
👌👍
If anyone visits Guangzhou, I highly recommend the Nanyue King Mausoleum Museum which is the gravesite of Zhang Mo (175-124 BCE) the grandson and successor to Zhang Tuo. It shows a great number of artifacts and culture of the Nanyue at its height along with Zhang Mo's mausoleum, many court seals (chops), his jade burial shroud, and a few fragments of his skull.
Shouldn't the surname be Zhao instead of Zhang? And yes, the museum is great!
@@bravery2047 Yes, Zhao not Zhang.
Nice info thanks
So my ancestors was Guangzhou, Not sure why my great grand parents went into Borneo. Must be during Monterado gold rush in Borneo.
Zhao Tuo was born in Zhengding, Hebei, China, in the far north of China.
I am Chinese my family came from Henan. second generation American. My ancestry DNA from two different test results shows I have 60% Vietnamese in me, but only 30% Han-Chinese. I am shocked that I didn’t inherit the doubled lidded eyes. :(
My family is from Hong Kong and my test results shows
54.6% Chinese Mainland
38.8% Vietnam
6.5% Portuguese
0.1% Oceanic
Not sure about Oceanic part.
因为你是在美国测得，美国测亚裔血统很不准
@@KamseSaxon lol that was a time of Nam Việt which was once common ancestors of both countries nowaday, that's 2k years ago and at least 80 generations of people prior, they are our ancestors in the south but seriously nam viet wasn't anything like modern chinese or vietnam culture, they resemble in proto-cultural foundation but honestly even that's too far fetched to mash up with modern identity and let alone the difference in societal lifestyle 2000 years ago, even the 19th century was a foreign world to us in many ways.
more like it only proved the result is only based off comparisons between the limited amount of total users in the testing services databases and political borders always have an effect on migration time to time but it's more of a labeling tool for commercial legalization of the DNA test.
@@baqikenny en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yue_language#/media/File%3AEarly_Warring_States_Period.png
@@charleschoi659 Oceanic is everyone between Taiwan and Waster Island. And the Vietnam part is because at 19 to 20th century, under British rule, there were huge amounts of Vietnamese refugees and smugglers...
Trying to assign modern nationalist identities to kingdoms 2000 years ago is usually very difficult. If you think about Europe, there wasn't anything close to 'England' at this time. Most of southern China at this time would form the basis for the groups in SEA today, like Burma, Thailand, Vietnam and Austronesians.
Well they are tribes, but making it look like kingdoms is really forcing it.
Thailand is mostly made up of ethnic Lao people, modern Laos and the Lao people are what’s left of the ancient Ai Lao people, modern nationalism tried to erase our ancestors the Ai Lao from history, replacing them with the term Tai, a modern fabrication. Thailand is ruled by Siamese/Mon nationalist, their royal family are ethnic Mon since the destruction of Ayutthaya.
Lao/Tai chronicles show a link btw ancient times to its modern states. So the connection is there
@@limitlesssky3050 no we have văn lang Kingdom 2700 year ago in north vn...
When these groups survive the invasions and assimilation of regional powers, their national identity cannot be denied.
Cultures and national identities evolve of course but usually (in East Asia especially) it is pretty clear cut who today's nations are the successors of.
Kinh Vietnamese are not related to Han Chinese. But some Southern Chinese are related due to common ancestory of Bai Yue/ Bach Viet tribes. Cantonese for example are a mix of Han (Qin Dynasty) and Yue tribes. Kinh Vietnamese are admixture of two Bai Yue/ Bach Viet tribes that used to live in Southern China. The Ou Yue/ Au Viet and Luo Yue/ Lac Viet. More likely mix between Tai-Kadai/ Kra-Dai and Austroasiatic speaking people.
Not really look we are related same more than Han chinese, if you compare us with other people from south east Asia example ( Khmer,Thai cham.v.vv.)
Other Southern China including Minyue as the people migrate our territories to escalate the Northerner Han. The Tran Dynasty origin is from Fukien which was part of Minyue back then.
@@WhowhatwhenwhereandhowFujian Chen clan were Merchants. LOL
baiyue is not a race but a lot of races.
furthermore, baiyue is a Sinocentrism word.
I agree that baiyue back then was multiethnic but it was not sinocentered. A lot of tribes do not speak sino-languages. You also need to distinguish the ruling families and the normal people/tribes. The rulers may rule and speak in a sino-language and have Han origin but this must not apply to the majority of normal people.
Early Chinese records used the term Yue to describe the non-Chinese people south of the Yangzi. In the Spring and Autumn period (770- 475 BC) the term was applied to a state on the south-eastern coast which was destroyed in 334 BC as the Han Chinese moved across the Yangzi into the south. Subsequently, the term “hundred Yue” was applied generically to the subjugated peoples in the south, with modifiers to denote groups in different locations or with some other distinguishing characteristic (Phornphan 1988). The term Yue fades from usage around 0 AD as the Chinese gained more knowledge of the southern peoples and began using other descriptors (Barlow 2001, chs. 1-2; Taylor 1983, 41-4). None of the modern terms used for Tai groups can be detected in these descriptors except Lao or Ailao which was applied to a variety of groups, mostly hill-dwellers (Taylor 1983, 172; Cholthira 2001, 22-4).
Funfacts is that vn is the only country that claiming to be yue or việt(越) ...
@@ucchau173Minyue Kingdom were related to Filipinos. loanwords found in Minyue related to Filipino language.
I know this channel is mostly about nations in relation to China but i am very curious about the various Dynasty Vietnam went through and also how they broke free of Han rule, or at least the northern part.
I was thinking of doing Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese history too. Let's see if I'll get the chance to do it.
Most of the Southern part gained independence in 192 AD
vietnam gradually expanded southwards into Champa and Khmer 's lands like the US expanded into native American land.
@@nhienleminhhue6605 nam tien right?
@@Dominicn123 yeah, and đon't forget đông tiến
Damn ur clips never fails to bring out the nationalists. One thing I’ve learnt from watching your content and reading the comments is that nationalists like to make up history as they go. The ancient dynamics between these groups were complex and loyalties were fluid. Well done on condensing so much historical information into such an enjoyable format.
One of the best History UA-cam Channels (esply about East Asia countries’s) but why there are not many people subcribe your channel. That’s underrated!
越南人不是越人。别抢我祖宗啊，你这个UA-camr！
Because it tells the truth about the region's history -especially about China.
@@izobel2899Những kẻ bị Hán hoá thật nhục nhã🫵🏿🤣
I watched a lot of history channel, this honestly is the best. Good work!
Thanks your video 😍 from Vietnam
Vietnamese = double eyelips
Chinese = Korea = Japan = one eyelips
China will definitely defeat the United States. You modify history and steal our culture. I will teach you a lesson in the future.
So southern chinese like hokkian, cantonese,teochew ppl is mix viet and han chinese ?
@@patriot-h3f wow wow so aggressive be cool man ;)
@@patriot-h3f omg , virus kill all world
Modern Vietnamese historians consider Nanyue (Nam Việt) a Chinese domination on Viet people because Zhao Tuo was a Qin not a Viet.
Most Vietnamese monarch in the past however allowed Nanyue to be recorded as a Viet government. Some went further by praising Zhao Tuo as a good leader who helped the Viet resist early Han invasion. Some went as far as claiming all the land which was ruled by Nanyue as legit part of Viet people' land.
Great series! I had a question about Empress Dowager Dou, Han Wudi's grandmother. How was she able to block Han Wudi after he became emperor from enacting his reforms? In the video, it is mentioned he had to wait until she died before he could really take full control. I was curious to know more about this, I haven't really been able to find anything online as to how she was able to do this or a good explanation of her role and what power she had. Keep up the great work!
In traditional Chinese culture, children should be loyal and obey to parents. Otherwise the child will be considered immoral and not qualified to inherit. And the mother of Wudi already have many dogs in the government, it’s not easy to tame the dogs in short time.
Not only that.
Most of the senior officials served under Emperor Wu's father, and hence were allies of the Empress Dowager. Old nobles and officials tend to resist reforms because it would affect their personal or clan influence.
Emperor Wu's appointees were a new generation of junior officials, lacking in senority and were not in any position to support the Emperor in the Imperial Court populated by the Dowager faction's senior officials.
Without the Dowager to unite the old officials as well as provide royal protection, the Emperor was in a far better position to replace them. Had he done so when the Dowager was actively opposing his reforms, the Dowager could legitimise a coup against him.
He was 15 when he became emperor, she died 6 years later, so it wasn't that long, I imagine he would have forced her hand once he had built up his own influence and had his own powerbase if she hasn't passed away.
Empress dowagers during the Han dynasty were very powerful politically. Not only that the relatives of Empress Dowagers during the Han dynasty occupied many important position at court know as 外戚 but also the Empress Dowagers have their own high ranking officials 太后三卿 directly followed the orders from the Empress dowager, many of whom were promoted to more important positions such as the Prime Minister.
Was watching mainland chinese videos of this period. I think one of the speakers said that zhao tuo was actually very pro Han. However its the nanyue elites that wanted to keep their own culture. They said that Zhao Tuo wanted to join the Han dynasty under Liu Bang but both the Han and Nanyue elites were against it. The nanyue did not want to be assimilated while the Han elites were worried that the Nanyue being southerners would work with their fellow southerner Chu state.
Những năm 1945 đổ về trước người Việt Nam vẫn có nhiều quan điểm sử học về Triệu Đà vua nước Việt.
Nhưng sau thời kì cách mạng Việt Nam và Trung Quốc có nhiều mâu thuẫn.
Và việc chống đồng hóa cũng cải cách chữ Viết bỏ chữ Nôm dạng như Hán Tự sang chữ Latinh.
Và cũng nhiều nhà sử học Việt Nam đặt lại sử không coi Triệu Đà là vị vua đầu tiên của người Việt. Vì họ cho rằng Triệu Đà là 1 vị tướng nhà Tần .
Mặc dù vậy ở Việt Nam vẫn còn 1 số nơi thờ cúng vua Triệu Đà
Good job video!! from Vietnam 🇻🇳
Thank you so much!!! We are Vietnamese.😘😘😘
배트남 화이팅 💞💞💞
We look at the world with open eyes,not sleepy ones.😄😂😁.
@@thingschange.8815Continue to research high-tech kimchi
Yeah, another good video. Good work Brah.
I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel and videos. You present history in a lively and entertaining way, and the art work is gorgeous ( great character designs by the way) and you have a very pleasant voice and a friendly good natured sense of humor. Please, keep making more of these wonderful videos my Bro'! Much love from Macon Georgia.U.S.A.
Another good video. Are you gonna do one on the Trung Sisters?
Maybe one day, once I have found a new angle that's not already covered by other people.
There is no other view as this is vietnamese history
@@TheVietarmy yeah there is because it’s sprinkled with chinese propaganda, where i haven’t seen any sources of nanyue trading for weapons and equipment because the tribes were known for their metal work, and Dong Ou asking to be moved into northern China, they were invaded in Vietnamese and western sources and forced to assimilate in northern china, not vassalized so i Concur with that statement
I liked this very much. The Narration was awesome, well done gentlemen!
Âu Lạc was form out of two Baiyue tribes, the Luoyue (Lạc Việt) and Ouyue (Âu Việt). Can you do more about the Baiyue?
do you know Baiyue is a wrong classification?it can't be considered as a whole
@@hagongda123 That's what Chinese trying to lead people to.
I can honestly tell you the Chinese, most of them, don't care 😂
However, Baiyue is a ethnic classification by Old Chinese officials, based on the anthropology study level of 2000 years ago, it's highly unlikely they could make up a scientific classification.
Nevertheless I'm not saying the Baiyue classification was totally nonsense. I'm just saying, based on technology at that time, it's very likely that one would classify Mon people as Hmong people simply because they sounds similar.
To the present day understanding, at least two nations (the Zhuang/Tay/Nung nation and the King nation) claim heritage of ancient Luoyue peoples and their bronze drum culture. Until today, the southwestern Zhuang/Tay people still make those drums and see the greatest diversity of drums around the world. It is generally presumed that Baiyue roughly represents Proto-Kra-Dai peoples (such as ancestors of Zhuang/Tay/Nung); Baipu represents Proto-Mon-Khmer peoples such as Muong people; and Sanmiao the Proto-Hmongic people. Kinh Vietnamese seems to be the descendants of Proto-Vietic people from Thanh-Nghe-Tinh who migrated north into the Red River Delta and assimilated with the local Kra-Daic people into a linguistically Vietic (Baipu) yet culturally Daic (Baiyue) nation and adopted a Baiyue antonym ("Viet").
@@GyacoYu 越南人攀亲戚的样子真恶心
Many southeast Asian historians believe that Ailao or "aye-lao" was the ancestor of Lao - Tai people
This is true my grandfather is Lao and as a little boy he told me the ancestors of Lao people came originally the Tai people who once lived in the AiLao region
Chinese rule of Vietnamese could be compared to northern Germanic (Scandinavian) rule of Slavic people in the early days. They played an important part in founding Kievan Rus', yet today Russians and Swedish are different.
An analogy of more assimilation may be made to Czechs with Germans compared to Southern Chinese (e.g. Cantonese speaking) with Huaxia Chinese. The Czech is one of the most Germanized Slavic group, and their political entity was always part of the Holy Roman Empire; while Cantonese-speaking people could be a Baiyue group that became very Chinese over time.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to compare Yue and Han Chinese with Celts and Roman? Vietnamese = Irish: both managed to keep their identities, Cantonese = French: they are originally Yue/Celts but almost fully assimilated in terms of language and culture of Han/Latin, Northern Han = South European.
@@alvin3832 Yue is a wrong classification,it can't be considered as a whole
@@hagongda123 please elaborate
@@noeswantra2295Yue is a general term,it can't be considered as a whole, More than 2000 years ago, Huaxia people in the North didn't know about the aborigines in the south of the Yangtze River, so they named it randomly,since huaxia people knew as far as north vietnam,Vietnamese was included in Yue,if Huaxia knew cambodia,then cambodia is yue,even indonesia,australia could be called Yue.
Search the languages,fujian's aboriginals(min yue) speak austronesian,Guangdong and Guangxi's aboriginals speak tai-kadai,vietnamese belongs to mon-khmer,austroasiatic.they are not in same group
@@noeswantra2295in the definition of Yue,zhuang in Guangxi is yue,thai is not yue,but thai and zhuang have same root,you can ask any thai about yue,they know nothing,the "Yue" is an unscientific term
so interesting how some of the baiyue people from southern china/ north vietnam, were relocated to fukian province. many of the chinese who had settled in Vietnam were Fukian, and also many of the Chinese who left as refugees were this particular ethnicity of han.
The Tran Dynasty in Vietnam is also a group of Vietnamese (Min Yue) min yue The ancestors of the Tran family originated from the Min people in Qinzhou district, Fujian province, China and came to Vietnam from Fujian when King Li Rentong took control. permission. .There are 3 Vietnamese groups [ou yue, luo yue] + min yue (Fújiàn). I'm Min Yue
@Aliyah Nguyen bởi vì họ dùng tiếng hán...tiếng quảng đông,tiếng khách gia và phúc kiến đều là từ tiếng hán thượng cổ mà ra và có cấu trúc ngữ pháp khác với tiếng việt và lúc người hán cai trị vn khoảng 100 000 người hán từ phương bắc chuyến miền nam trung quốc sống 2000 năm trước nên người ở miền nam trung quốc rất nhiều là người hán hoặc là pha trộn với người hán...
The first Chinese domination in Vietnam is from Nanyue. In the ancient times, Au Lac tribe and Van Lang tribe were merged into Au Lac Kingdom. Then it was succumbed in to Nanyue by Zhao Tuo, a Chinese person. So the war between Han and Nanyue is the war between two Chinese Kingdom, not for dominating Vietnam
多学习中文有助于了解越南真实的历史，毕竟你们的文字是法国人基于字母帮你们创造的，创立到现在才一百多年，所以只有中文才能让你们知道你们的来源和真实的历史，越南实际上就是另一部分中国人创立的国家
@Hằng Trần: Wrong! Van Lang is not even exist in Dinh, Ly, Tran History (10th-14th century). It started appear from 15th century - in Dai Viet Su Ky Toan Thu, Le Dynasty.
First Viet's Kingdom is Au Lac.
Beside, all Vietnamese Dynasty recognize Zhao (NanYue, Triệu Đà) as first Viet's Empire.
@@Mrskyjunking quite agree. Most Vietnamese history book are written in Han character, it call Vietnam's ppl as Han, country as "Trung Quốc" (zhong guo).
I think all countries that follow Confuciasm (Khổng Giáo) and Zhou (Chu) culture (Vietnam, China, Korea, Japan) are the part/ the heir of old Zhong Hua. (Trung Hoa)
But at present, Zhong Hua concept is only China 🤷
@@lamhung4899 any resources to prove?
@@ManhHoang-rm8gt Đại Nam thực lục- Annals of Dai Nam
Cool history: The Nan Yue/ Nam Viet is not recognized as Vietnam, and that is the reason why Vietnam is Vietnam instead of Namviet, when that local tributary which becomes Vietnam today ask for a official name, the government at Beijing rejected the request of "Namviet", because Viet/Yue is the South-Eastern coast line region of China, which was the Wu and Yue kingdom during the Spring and Autumn and Warring States period (Wu and Yue are the same people, they speak ancient Yue language, which evolved in to modern Wu dialect of China, and a part of Japanese language called "Go-on", Go is Wu pronounced in Kun'yomi, Kun'yomi is pronunciation of native Japanese language even if the word is adopted from Chinese, On'yomi is Chinese pronunciation of 7th-9th century Han dialect mandarin, and Go-on is different from common Kan-on, Kan is Han pronounced in Japanese accent, the Go-on was dialect of 5th century Nanjing of WuYue region, at 5th century Buddhism was very popular so Go-on is more popular than Kan-on when reading Japanese sutra adopted from Chinese at 5th century).
So here is the thing, Namviet/Nan Yue already exist, it's literally the Chinese word "South Yue", and this means southern part of Yue, Wu and Yue is now days Zhejiang and Jiangsu province, around Nanjing and Shanghai, while that tributary was even way further to the south, out side of Yue, so it's named Vietnam/Yue Nan, which means Yue South, and this means "South of Yue", the difference is South Yue="Southern part in Yue", Yue South = "At Southern side out of Yue"
There is also a video in this channel about the how Goujian the king of Yue got revenge on Wu when he was defeated by Fuchai the king of Wu, this is a very famous story in China about the Warring States period.
In Vietnamese grammar, Viet is Viet people and Nam is south. It means Viet people in the South = Viet Nam
@@DucDuni别编历史了，古代中国南边都是蛮族。没有文化，文字。和印第安人一样
when China is strong, they rewrite history and brainwash the people trapped in their empire according to the will of the rulers in Beijing.
😂 How do you distinguish between the Zhou Dynasty and the Shang Dynasty, which were not founded by the Han people but were established by a series of northern nomadic tribes that migrated?
southern people in china lost their roots and became Chinese but still have Yue/Viet dna and Vietnam people kept their roots and fought for their freedom from the Han, so now they have there own country and identity while the cantonese and other yue in the southern china today are referred as Chinese
❤ thank for video, we are want to many people know about my history more. the best it was Trieu dynasty
we cantonese people look closer to Vietnamese than the northern chinese and thats a fact
Thats the terms Southern Barbarian came from.
Guangtong & Guangxi were also Bai Yue in the past. Guangnam province is in Vietnam, called "Quang Nam" in Vietnamese.
haha,又有越南人来冒充广东人了，是不是觉得发完这个帖子，你地位就提升了？
@@hagongda123 haha fool im just stating the fact. dont alter history and facts because of blind nationalism
Cantonese and Hongkongers are at least 50% Yue before the birth of PRC
Austroasiatic (5,000 BC) > Mon-Khmer (3,000 BC) > Vietic-Khmuic (2,000 BC) > Vietic (1,000 BC) > Dongsonian/ Lac Viet (700 BC-200 AD)> Viet-Muong (200 AD-700 AD) > Vietnamese (700 - Moderns)
Charter based on archaeological and linguistic evidence.
😂joke
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My peoples resisting Chinese aggression, “in many cases as in 221 BC, “the Yüeh people fled into the depths of the mountains and forests, and it was not possible to fight them” (Taylor 1983, 18, quoting the Huai nan tzu). As the Chinese consolidated control along the coast, those resisting integration moved away into the interior, particularly into the high valleys among the mountains in an arc running west and south from Nanning around the rear of the Red River delta. The Chinese gradually set up garrisons and provincial administrations in the hills to control these peoples, but faced constant resistance. In 722, for example, some 400,000 “Lao” and “Nan Yue” rose in revolt, and the leader declared himself king of Nan Yue (Taylor 1983, 178, 192-3). From the sixth century onwards, the Chinese coastal settlements occasionally called on help from imperial armies to conduct pacification campaigns on this hill frontier. After the 722 revolt, some 60,000 were beheaded. In a pacification campaign in the ninth century, designed to secure the route through to the Nanchao kingdom in Yunnan, the
imperial armies beheaded 30,000 rebels in the course of a bloody campaign (Taylor 1983, 239-49).”
You say to much. But there are so many Chinese around the world. If you hate them so much, why don't you just abuse and beat them directly when you meet them?
If you don't dare to do it, just stopping talking about these long text. Most of Chinese can't see your word so they don't care about how you abuse them in internet.
After the revolt in 722 the most of the Lao people migrated west into the regions of Nanchao, where they allied themselves with Nanchao, some smaller groups went into Southeast Asia.
Subsequently after Nanchao marched into Northern Vietnam in the winter of 862 after Vietnam had dispute with one of its Allie’s, that army that was sent to conquer Hanoi was a Lao(Tai) army. One-two years after that conquest a Chinese commander sent an army to Take Hanoi and the Lao(Tai) army retreated out of Hanoi and up the red river, where they discovered that the region in northwest Vietnam was mostly uninhabited and rich.
Ten years after they returned to Nanchao two Prince led a large group back to the red river where they settled in a town called Muang Lo, or Ngai Lo in Yen Bai Province. After this principality was established one of the Kings son took people west and settled at a large plateau and named it Muang Thenh or what is called Dien Bien Phu.
The prince that founded MuangThenh is who the Lao people call Khun Borom. His sons later went to establish the Kingdoms of Loungprabang, Xiengkhouang (Lanxang kingdom) Ayutthaya (Siam), Lanna (Northern Thailand) Sipsongbanna in Yunnan, and the Shan state in Burma.
Their Journey from Kunming to northern Vietnam is recorded in the Lao/Tai chronicles, where they traveled through the stone forest, which are rock formations south of Kunming, it mentions the mouth of the forest which is even labeled today at this national park in China as the entrance to the stone formations.
Taylor is Asian?
He was quoting Chinese historical records@@k.k.c8670
Would love to see you make videos about 外王内帝 policy!
very interesting policy
Yeah, I will do it together with the tributary system video once I get around to it.
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is it sth only the Vietnamese had or other country also? Did the Japanese do the same?
@@solbadgear he already made a video about it. Multiple countries did it
So we can say that Zhao Tuo is the founder of Southern Chinese Civilization?
No bro, Zhao Wudi was a Qin dynasty’s general. He united all the Yue people and became the first emperor of Vietnam’s history, even before Liu Bang become emperor. He later speaked Viet’s language, lived in a stilt house. If the Baiyue could runite, it will become the largest empire of the Far east, secede from China. The Hundred Yue can be reunited after more than 2000 years.
@@traydollaz5671 there’s no proper baiyue blood line anymore. Southern Chinese these days has more Han blood than anything else.
@@papercat2599 Southern Chinese today had received genetic contribution predominantly from Northern Chinese due to the mass immigration of Han-Chinese throughout the history. Many Baiyue men were displaced hence their contribution to the gene pool of modern day Southern Chinese is limited.
Fight for your people freedom nanyue peoples, fight for your independent like the Vietnamese did, good luck
It's a strange triangle. Viet is able to defeat Mongo and Chinese are rules by the Mongo.
because china is apart and weak when mogol come
明朝来了😂
bởi người Việt coi trọng những thứ tổ tiên họ xây dựng, sức mạnh dân tộc bất khuất khiến họ không bao giờ để các nước như : Trung Quốc, Pháp, Mỹ, Nhật, Mông Cỗ xâm lược.. Họ đều bại trận khi đến xâm lược Việt Nam
Vietnam is facing a completely different and divided Mongol Empire = Yuan Dynasty, which has been weakening after decades of "civilization"; while China is facing the peak Mongol Empire under the leadership of legendary figures such as Genghis Khan, Subutai, Muhuali, Mongke, Guo Kan, etc.
4:25 Nice breathing animation.
Great video.
The original Vietnamese are a mixture of Han Chinese, Tai/Kradai, Miao/Hmong and so on, from Southern China. Baiyue was just a name for tribes in the south of Central China that the Central Chinese (Zhongyuan people) called before the Qin dynasty. Luoyue (Lac Viet) was just a tribe back then and they were conquered by another tribe, Ouyue (Au Viet); hence, there was Ouyue-Luoyue confederation (Au Lac). The first ever kingdom under which Vietnamese were and half of modern Vietnamese consider as their first country is the kingdom of Nanyue, a Chinese kingdom founded by Zhao Tuo, a northern Chinese from the state of Zhao after the collapse of the Qin empire. They might have some mixture with some local tribes in mid-northern Vietnam. Later on these Vietnamese moved south and annexed kingdoms/city-states of the Cham and Khmer. The reason is the Cham (probably a mixture of Malay, Khmer and traders of different origins including Chinese) attacked them first for centuries under the Tang dynasty and looted their settlements during periods of food shortages and economic crisis (because the economy of Cham's city-states was based on commerce and not on agriculture). This is reflected in their modern DNAs, which show 2/3 of Vietnamese are from the mixture of peoples from Southern China and 1/3 is Cham and Khmer. Many Vietnamese claim they all are different from Chinese because of political motivation, independence, and/or their Cham and Khmer ancestry, but this is not reflected in history and the DNAs of the whole population of Vietnamese. The political turmoil after the Tang dynasty and the movement of Vietnamese/Southern Chinese to the south by incorporating Cham and Khmer to end the century wars with Cham and Khmer marked Vietnam's separation from China.
One interesting fact is Vietnamese spoken language (Vietic language) is grouped with Khmer in the Austro-Asiatic languages, despite 2/3 of their language vocabularies that they said they 'borrowed' from Chinese languages are actually both Southern and Northern Chinese languages (Example: Zhao Tuo, the founder of Nanyue kingdom, is a Northern Chinese from the state of Zhao). This might be shaped by mixture of peoples and geological reasons (mother tone for a variety of food, plant and animal names that do not exist in the north). The Vietnamese spoken language reflects the trend of mixture between Southern Chinese and Cham and Khmer throughout their history.
Người khmer chỉ là 1 dân tộc thiểu số ở việt nam và chỉ chiếm không đế. 2% dân số không quan trọng lắm
Thanks for the history lecture
Khmer people made up only 1% of the population of Vietnam during the 200 years of history after becoming a part of Vietnam. Therefore, the genetic cross between the two races is very low.
I'm Vietnamese and I believe what you said. Everything went wrong just because our government. Actually I think China(now), Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Taiwan all of us were original from mainland China ( long long time ago ). And during wars, many races just spreaded around the world and 5 of us are here. I think the reason why China(now) people were hated because they were brainwashed by your government. And the China gov have all of you got to do everything they want. I don't hate Chinese citizen, they are warm, friendly, oriented-family, nice foods. It's all about politics there. I think we Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan are old divided brothers. Just like Three Kingdoms before.
@Joseph McDermott if vn and Chinese is the same , so why Chinese and vn language have different grammar, vn language have same grammar with kmer language (100%) and similar with thailand and laos language (70-80%) , grammar structure is the most important thing in a language,just like germany and English have the same grammar because their are similar root (even English have 70% loan word from latin ,french and greece language...but their are still germanic group...)...
It wasn't really the Vietnam now days, it didn't really exist yet, the 百越 Baiyue in this part of history includes multiple ethnic groups at south of Yangzi river and northern Vietnam , but it does include ancestors of Gin/Kinh people which now exist as a main part of Vietnamese population.
When ancient sources refer to moving entire peoples, they always refer to moving just the elites, leaving the majority in place. The common people simply didn’t count. They were viewed as little more than livestock.
A western example would be the Babylonian captivity of the Israelites. Although the Bible appears to say that all the Israelites were taken, in reality, it was just the upper priestly caste and the nobility. The majority of the population remained.
The mass majority are illiterate and had no culture, they dont really preserve national identity
@@fanyechao2761 You could safely distinguish that low class people have "customs", and middle class people have "traditions"; but only upper class people have "culture".
@@fanyechao2761 Those Israelites are now Palestinians, with Arabic Muslim culture and captured by Jews, while most of Jews are Slavs but with culture from Israelites... They don't really care who they really are in a physical and biological way, they just believe what they want to believe.
@@riza-2396 Extremely questionable since the Romans 100% ethnically cleansed the Kingdom of Israel from Jews following the last Jewish Revolt -ethnic cleansing is hardly a new thing in ancient history.
@@stephenjenkins7971 The kingdom of the Nabataeans hahahaha and the Canaanites hahahaha
Visited Hanoi once and had a very good impression of their National Museum there. Although brief, I can understand Vietnamese feelings throughout the centuries of attempted incursion and domination from the North. Your narration should reflects the aspirations of Cantonese people with respect to their true Motherland.
Tiếc là mọi thứ đã bị phá huỷ theo thời gian vào chiến tranh
You think too much, no Cantonese feel they are Vietnamese
@@iwchiing6955The Cantonese people are more complicated. The three ethnic groups all agree that their ancestors are Han Chinese in the north. I have very little contact with Vietnam.
Very informative and interesting video~ 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Nanyue ( Chinese :南越[1] or 南粤[2] ; pinyin : Nányuè ; Jyutping : Naam⁴-jyut⁶ ; lit. ' Southern Yue' [3] ) or Namz Yied ( Zhuang : Namzyied ), was an ancient kingdom. ruled by the Chinese
Thanks for the well researched video keep it up! Interesting history between the 2 culture of Han and viet , a Han general abandoned his country to rule the Viet and ve apart of the viet custom mixed along with his han influence. Also this period is when the Chinese language first start to influence people who live in north of vietnam and Guangdong area , i believe the Viet language at this time is still pure without Chinese influence yet.
vietnamese are originally from southern china. their closest relatives in terms of DNA would be the cantonese and other minorities in guang xi.
Half related , not fully
haha,no way
Cantonese has nothing related with Vietnamese
@@hagongda123 Correct, Southern Chinese mtDNA closer to Thai and Tai than Vietnamese.
The dominant Chinese marker is r9f while Vietnamese is M7.
@@sixlineslime1948 you are wrong...and adn Thai similar Viet Nam
@@hoangAnh-mp9zj What makes you said that? What dominant mtDNA marker of Tai? what dominant mtDNA marker of Viet?
6:40 Early Northern Chinese colonialism is pretty interesting.
I subscribed today, this is a cool channel. I listen to The History of China podcast, it would be cool if you and him could do something together.
Those days there were no Vietnam, it is just a widespan of middeland , mainland
In Vietnamese, there are Man Viet(Min Yue) language, and Ngo Viet(Wu Yue)language.Because, they came here.they were a force against the Han people .
China still have Min and Wu languages, they belong to Chinese language family.
Dont worry guys , chinese claims everthing theirs, it s known
@@DVfromtheeast
Yawn.
Can you answer the question - what is the Han? Ethnicity?
If you know the answer, your comme nt will be a slap on your own face.
@@DVfromtheeast except nCovid-19
@@internettroll2626 We are Yue and those Yue languages belong to China? Are you idiot?
nanyue explains why Cantonese sounds so much like vietnamese
Really - I don't see that at all.
They dont even know that :)) or refuse it. They use to be Baiyue, and lots of their inventions became.....Chineses’
Cantonese and Vietnamese are not comprehensive to each other.
@@jiayili6481 I didn’t say that , I said it “sounds like” which means it sounds similar.
Since everyone confused I meant it sounds similar, they’re obviously not the same language and they can’t understand each other, but to anyone that listen carefully you’ll notice they way the speakers talk kinda sound alike.
Baiyue or A hundred Viet tribes!! Down to the last Yue people.. modern Vietnam! And the Chinese haven’t abandoned their ambitions.. sooner or later us Vietnamese must make a stand against them again.. Long live the Yues!!!... ever still victorious and standing strong the Viets!!!.
Vietnamese are not the last Yue people of the Baiyue tribes, the Zhuang people in Guangxi are also the direct descendants of Baiyue, they don't call themselves Hans and some of them don't even consider themselves Chinese.
@@darkaura6660 Dudes, the Vietnamese are Luoyue people, you are the ones who is not paying attention
@@ucminhvo295 LOL,do you know Yue is a wrong classification?
Are you talking about the victory of losing territory and being conquered?😜
@@熊寅 你搞错了，百越是一个错误的民族划分，根本不能视为一个整体，越南人想来攀亲戚
Have not seen you done the story of spring and autumn period.
Thanks for your video! Good work!
thanks .im from Vietnam's
Poor Lu Jia had to suffer due to the adulterous queen who tried to murder him.
The queen felt frustrated when she saw that Nan Yue capital was not enough civilized like the Changan capitol of the Han dynasty.
I think the true descendant of nanyue Kingdom is Vietnamese.
😂😂
So interesting!!!! :>>
I know right..😁
The queen 👸 is a real trouble maker
If you know Chinese history, most of the queens are like that.
*Empress
Will you do one about Lý Thường Kiệt,the first Vietnamese General who led an attack into Chinese territory?
Now that you've mentioned it. I should do one on it eventually. But there is a bit. of a backlog on different subjects that I need to work on.
@@CoolHistoryBros here is some document you can work from ua-cam.com/video/AbRg5rH6fxo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/TQehUlbyp3o/v-deo.html
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Awesome content. I was wondering what animation software do you use? thank you.
What is nam viet instead of nan yue? Are you trying to mislead that they are link to modern Vietnam.
@阿孚 me as babarian Vetnamese: "grr árrr ùghhh"
@阿孚 well, Chinese brainwash explain. Vietnam means Yue of the South. Yue means Việt. in Vietnamese the adjective come after the noun commonly so we are proudly say that we are Yue of the south
Amazing
👍 good video
It is good to see a chinese person do this because I feel you would know or understand your history and culture deeply, not to insult other people. Anyway, this explains why when I worked with northern chinese, they refused to acknowledge the southern states you mentioned as Chinese. Amongst themselves they called these people dogs (I didn't know until this guy I work with who knows Chinese explained it to me). I was very surprise but can see why after you explained it because they did not consider them Han.
Funfacts is the north china people is mixed with barbarian when they attack jin dynasty 1700 year ago...and after that is khitan and jurchen so north people in china also not pure han blood...
@@ucchau173 Seldom Chinese think like that. Those are just barbarians, believe me.
In fact, modern China was established by people from the south. Just like southern racists calling northerners barbarian hybrids. Racists in the north also like to hate southerners, but this extreme group is rare.
For those racist northern Chinese, they call both southern Chinese(especially Cantonese) and Southeast Asians as "monkeys"
And even today many Vietnamese have resentment for mainland Chinese
Why? China has brought civilization to Vietnam. Vietnam has been China's territory for a thousand years. They are originally Chinese, and they call themselves Han people in their history books
@@冠军侯-m2u Do you have any evidence that the Vietnamese identified themselves as Han Chinese in Viet historybook?
Are you seriously.Vietnamese learned some technical form Chinese like make wine and architechture but we still keep us own language and culture.
And most important we never think we are Chinese.No Viet Nam historical book write that
@@冠军侯-m2u China brought civilization to Vietnam? Like Japan and Western countries brought civilization to China?
Việt nam chúng tôi
No offense,but you are the second Pham Tien I know. Why does this name so popular in Vietnam?
I love you! Great
Au Lac people support Nanyue , they consider Nanyue their own country. It seems Zhao Tuo had won the hearts of Baiyue people, including Au Lac people. He united them and took in the local culture despite of his origin. I think he's a good leader so it's understandable why the collapse of Nanyue marked the start of Northern domination in Vietnam history. What if Zhao Tuo had chosen the same method of conquering as Han Wudi? What if he forced Han culture on Baiyue people? I think history would change drasticallly. Maybe Vietnam wouldn't have existed but became a part of China as Southern China... Vietnam is always looked down by so called "civilzed" people surrouding it. It's like an easy kid to pick on, a cheap shot of sedative to those, whenever they feel inferior, they look at Vietnam, they laugh at it without a reason, and they feel good about themselve. once again. Eventually, the world will never be the same :-)
What? Vietnam was a quick learner of Sinocentrism lol, Vietnamese look down on Cambodian think of them as inferior race, trying to “civilize” them with “Han culture” and eventually incorporated southern Vietnam into its territory
As a Cantonese, Vietnam just like ours half distant cousins though. And I agree
The Vietnamese is an evidence, the so-called Han are of the same people ?? They can share culture and Han characters, but I have never considered Han a nation. To be fair, the south of China is always considered more developed than the north of China, so there is no reason why Han-Chinese culture originated in the North.
Learn more history.Your question is very stupid.
Vietnam is actually a leftover of a Chinese kingdom. Chnese and Viet are actually brother and sisters. I think the true language of Vietnamese is Cantonese before the French colonized it and completely change the language. Yue area is where Cantonese main origin and you can tell becuase the people still speak it today. The Viet language changed over time due to being unlinked from Chinese Conquest over time. They had used Chinese style off writing before French completely changed the writing system.
You can even say Nam Yue in Cantonese. It does sound like a Cantonese world for a nation just like Guang dong(todays supposed cantonese province of China).
Interesting if you google Yue. Wiki takes you to Cantonese language. So it is 100% that Vietnamese are people from in China that probably ran south due to civil war in China that conquered the Cantonese area. Viet true language might be Cantonese which is currently being speaked in HK and Guangzhou..
Vietnamese and han are completely different people, Compared yourself from any Northern Han you'll clearly see the difference, they are way more pale, taller and have larger bone structure in compare to southern Chinese and Vietnamese people plus central and Northern China used to be richer than southern during ancient time.
I have double eyelids, what does this mean? and my DNA test is 44% viet, 26 percent Thai Khmer, 25 percent southern Chinese, 8 percent Dai
Liked,
Can you make a video about the white lotus society of China?I think you're really good at covering topics and this one is quite interesting.Thanks
I'll get around to it eventually. Once I've found an interesting angle.
@@CoolHistoryBros Awesome thank you!
The weakening and disintegration of the baiyue tribes was due to the fact that the northern nomadic armies were very violent and barbaric. The northern nomadic armies had the habit of slaughtering and eating their enemies, so the baiyue people fled a lot. Those who stayed, they accepted to obey the nomadic army, so they lived
百越族是当时对十万大山山脉以南各个少数民族部落的统称。重要的事情说三遍，部落！部落！部落！不懂什么是部落的，自己去找资料。当时生活在岭南地区，包括现在的中南半岛北部，都是一些松散的少数民族部落，即没有现代国家的特征，也达不到文明的标准。秦国统一中原以后，开始向中原以南地区迁徙人口屯田，范围就包括现在的两广地区及中南半岛以北部分地区。而秦朝迁徙的人口带去了众多的技术，其中最重要的就是农耕技术！那时候，哪里来的越南？越南这个国号始于什么时候，为什么叫越南？你们自己心里没点数？呵呵，没关系，你们不承认无所谓，但请不要偷取我国的历史。最后说一句，中国各朝代不是统治越南，这个说法不准确！正确的应该是在宋朝之前，中南半岛以北大部分地区曾经都属于中国！
@크리스탈 South Korea should come back to be a part of Japan :) Korean must be grateful to Japan
@크리스탈 按照你这个理论，朝鲜半岛是我们的领土。你这历史观简直就是扭曲到极点。
@Nhu Le Thi 你就怎么知道我们没有相关的研究？另外我告诉你，中华文化的传播从来不以血统为论。不然，美洲大陆的印第安人就是你们的榜样。
@@xavierlau89 china should go belong to the manchus :) china must be grateful to the manchuria
Sickman of asia 🦠
Zhao Tuo was not "Vietnamese king". He was northern Chinese. Vietnamese historians atleast 14th century began praising the ethnically tradition that only Hung kings were Vietnamese rulers during antiquity, and modern day linguistic evidence proved that the ancient Luoyue people and Hung kings spoke a proto-Austroasiatic language that was ancestor to the later Vietic (Viet-Muong) branch, or the northern Austroasiatic branch.
Van Lang (Vietnamese) - Me Lang (Mon) - Mve Lan (Khmer) - Yue Shang (old Chinese)
From Zhao, Dĩnh , Li, Chen
With Han, Tang, Song, Yuán
Each side has one direction
@@liveshow123456789 Zhao Tuo was a Chinese. Educated man but with Confucian teaching like Nguyen Trai will think Zhao Tuo is legitimate
@@hermannboyen5392 Vietamese is just another Korean, they are not confident about their own nationality so they have to claim some Chinese as Vietamese
@@Dou_Y Are you mad? I hate china virus
@@Dou_Y yes him is han but they him is vn king just like William the conquerors is claim as English king and from 1714 to now all of British king come from germany...and china also claim manchu emperor is they emperor... even they are jurchen not han...
Badass Minyue
Modern Vietnam and modern China are two entities that split from ancient China. Before the Tang Dynasty, the Vietnamese opposed the political power rather than ancient China. This is why all Vietnamese history books always claim that they are also Chinese.
@@hoangtueNo history textbook will reveal the entire truth. In ancient ，Vietnam, Korea, and Ryukyu, they studied Chinese culture and gov systems badly. Rulers believed that Chinese culture is civilized, while the cultures of other ethnic groups, including their own, are barbaric. After being ruled by the Manchus (who were considered barbarians at the time) in entire China, the Vietnamese and Koreans believed that Chinese civilization had disappeared and that they were the inheritors of Chinese civilization and the original China has become a barbarian
@@hoangtue most chinese think Vietnamese have same root with Cambodian
@@hagongda123 And most chinese think they are Han people, but actually they event dont know their exact enccestors.
@@digitalmanufacturingmes781 what?most Chinese think Vietnamese have same root with Cambodian
@@hagongda123 Who told you that? What do you rely on? Most Chinese people are from Myanmar, Mongolia?, we have nothing to do with cambodia, that's a stupid argument,
Most historians like Benedict Kiernan chose 179 BC as the start point of Chinese colonial rules in Vietnam
hahaha, colonial?
Are you serious, bro?
@@heinlich I mean that's the way Vietnamese ppl see it. Colonial in the sense of occupation, domination. Mind you in many SE Asian language the words "occupation" is also used to describe colonialism the way Europeans see it.
So consider this a bit of lost in translation
@@noeswantra2295 Totally different,many Vietnamese ppl can be officials in Ancient Chinese government and even rule Han Chinese. Can u imagine that could happen during the colonization of France in Vietnam?
Chinese imperialist.
cool
I like to think of us Southern Chinese as 'Children of Zhao Tuo', just like the Eldians are 'Children of Ymir'.
Baiyue Pride.
???? Are you kidding me?
southern Chinese here. Who the hell is zhao tuo. I m descendants of yellow emperor of China. Southern Chinese these days has more Han blood in them more than anything else.
@Tom Nguyen But the lineage of modern day Southern Chinese can mostly be trace back to Central or Northern Chinese. I really doubt Baiyue men contributed much to the gene pool of modern day Southern Chinese. In fact, Chinese in general are highly uniformed in terms of Y chromosome. And in terms of culture, Southern Han have almost nothing in common with the Southeast Asians.
@@papercat2599 Chinese have more Mongol and Manchurian blood, most of true Han Chinese were killed by northern invaders or fled south to Vietnam, many settled there.
Read history of vietnam on (Su viet toan thu).
Vietnamese practically wiped out the Chams in today's central Vietnam and Khmers in Mekong Delta. They are in no position to criticize China.
I am sorry! Where are you from ? Mars ?
@@doduc87 . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations
@@doduc87 . Don't you read history?
@@yellowbird1170 the Khmer in Central Vietnam was never a part of Cambodia. They had their own country and culture and those are still preserved until today. If they feel oppressed or invased they would rise and fight for their freedom ages ago. Like Vietnamese was opressed by China for 1000 years, we fought for centuries to presevered our languages. And dont give me those free-edited source like wikipedia. Bye Martian.
The Chams were not native in central Vietnam, they migrated from Java and were hostile. They invaded Vietnam many times and sacked capital Hanoi a few times. The Vietnamese solved the problem once and for all!
I am curious about the Central Plain Chinese that were sent to Nanyue by Qin Shi Huang. 500 k people were A LOT considering the local population at the time. Why aren't Cantonese look Central Plain people? Were these prisoners in fact Chu soldiers captured by Qin?
Yes, there are saying that the Qin soldiers indeed the Chu soldiers, and captured by Qin. You want to know why Cantonese don't look like Central Plain people? I think perhaps because of Han race is mixed-race, the north part is mixed of Han in the north and the other north races like Qidan, Xiongnu, Qiang, etc. and the south part is mixed of Han in the south and the Miao, Zhuang, Yao, etc. Plus, Han is a race believed in comment culture, not in blood relationship. That's why the blood resource is different, but Han still the same race.
@@Notfound-fw7eb I am not talking about the regional differences among Chinese from different provinces. It is very obvious to see that. I am curious about why Central Plain migration to Ling Nan did not change the genetic makeup of the people in that area significantly. I highly suspect that the "Central Plain" sent to Ling Nan were in fact Chu soldiers because if that is the case, it makes sense since until today, people from South of Henan and Hubei are still different considerably from people from Shandong Hebei and North Eastern provinces.
Han is basically a religion instead of a race.
500k was exaggeration, qin and pre qin era had a lot of absurd numbers like that, that time had so many wars, exaggerating numbers to boost confidence were common. also the first mention of this number is from a work that focus more on philosophy, while famous history work shiji at about same time did not mention the actual number at all. so such number can't be real, even in northern frontline against huns, qin had only 300k, and all commanders in charge of qin's large army were famous generals. but zhaotuo was not famous at all, he was only a small local governor and he's not even from original qin but later annexed zhao. shiji only mentioned qinshihuang sent a criminals and merchants(lowest class) to settle there and set a lot county.
@@milotuxedo7176 500k is definitely BS, chinese books always exaggrate the number of their troops like they can command 1,000,000+ people move instantly from here to there regardless of the terrains. It just makes it even more hilarious with the fact they are always defeated while they were greatly outnumbered their enemies lol... Btw Han Chins from the central plain did not even like the tropical hot weather in NanYue, they considered LingNan as a living hell that many of the areas were uninhabitable, there were no mass migrations to the south when their homeland is 10 times more comfortable. Han Chins will only move to the south when they are beaten like cr-a-ps by the invaders from the north like Huns and Mongolians, and only a few of them can successfully made it with the harsh journey to the southern most.
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my research shows that Hong Bang means chinese rule, or more specifically han dynasty, or han period , because hong bang is the palace garding animals (not lion)but tigers with wings, it means the han's swift power and effective rule, a han motif. not sure about au lac, it sounds too fiction a name to me, and no such historical person named au lac. i hope the mystery is now solved.
Hong Bang just means han territory or belonged to han
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Great video CJ, question, you mentioned morfologic similarities between the people of south of China, and one of those similiarities were black teeth... did they paint their teeth? Or they were so rotten that got black?
Painted. Ancient Japanese practiced this too, and the fact that they also practiced rice cultivation made some researchers argue that the ancient Japanese were related to Southern Chinese. Northern Chinese usually cultivate wheats.
@@CoolHistoryBros wow... thats really interesting! Thx!
@@CoolHistoryBros Betel Nut chewing habit
@@CoolHistoryBros And one more similarity, Han ppl used to call Japanese Dwarfs as they were very short when Northern Chinese, Mongolians, Koreans were taller.
@@CoolHistoryBros Women of many ethnic groups in southern China have a custom of dyeing their teeth.
Method: chewing some kind of grass can blacken their teeth
yeah, i guess it's kinda chinese domination of vietnam. but, it seems mostly domination of baiyue.
if nanyue didn't conquer au lac, would it still be called chinese domination of vietnam?
It is mostly a matter of perspective. In Vietnamese history, the perception that the Chinese occupied Vietnam 4 times for a total of 1000 years is a big deal. But there is somewhat of a nationalist bend.
@@CoolHistoryBros you dont understand vietnamese history, Yue people deserve its own history however they prefer living in tribes or villages and do not care much about other Yue otherwise Han chinese could dominate them one by one. If Yue cheeky like han chinese, china would be Yue people today
@@TheVietarmy there’s no but in history. Also you idea of Han chinese was weak is extremely biased. If Han chinese was ever weak, no way can chinese culture spread so wide. They are an dominating power thousand years ago and they are still dominating power today.
@@TheVietarmy Nanyue was founded by Chinese General Zhaotuo not vietnamese.
@@hwasiaqhan8923 zhaotou used to be portrayed in vietnamese history book in school as a Han chinese not Yue but he was first one who showed Yue people that BaiYue need to be gathered to against Han chinese.
哈哈哈哈 sorry，i recognize the Kwongsai Bak wah 廣西白話 similarities in Vietnamese but common knowledge that the Viet and 兩廣 still share ancient distant ties
the similarities r due to sincization. U should compare the native worlds of those two languages. there is little in common.
@@shuangbiaogou437 hmmm there are many inflections and words not found in 普通话，common problem with all dialects，but which have been found in regional languages evidence of the wider diaspora and economic interdependence when they were not at war
@@tonbopro one commonly accepted way to cluster languages is to compare the native words. for example, numbers r relatively stable native words. Names of things can easily borrowed from other languages due to trade. Another important thing is sound shift. There r many words in Cantonese sounds more like Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean words but it does not make Cantonese being more distant to Mandarine than Vietnamese, Japanese and Korean. It only tells that Cantonese preserves more old sound and gramatic features. Nothing else.
@@shuangbiaogou437 ahhh i see ，Bak Wah is not Cantonese tho and many terms not used in Cantonese vocab common misconception；but distinctions are real，the regional languages are no longer all the same nowadays despite sharing common histories in the past，that always give the false idea that its all breakaways in reality it was just loose short- lived alliances
@@tonbopro cantonese is only a relative term to pll who dont speak cantonese. But internally Guangdong and Guangxi both call it baihua. Guangxi and Guangdong Baihua r mutally intelligible with of course sound shift.
Can you please do history video on the tay son dynasty.
To those Vietnamese audiences here who consider themselves representing Baiyue ppl. Baiyue is a term in Chinese to describe all tribes in south of China in the old days. It is by no means a genetical or caltural homogenous ethnical group. The term Hu was used to refer to all nomandic groups in the north. I have never heard of Mogolian claiming them representing Hu ppl. Vietnam is a beautiful country and I respect vietnam, but plz do not try to mix the concept of Vietnamese with Baiyue ppl. Baiyue r different ethnical groups which contributed the formation of modern Chinese possibly also modern Vietnamese. But plz dont generalize them to Vietnamese. Thank you👍
I like the word "contribute" . LOL. Like Tibet and Uyghur ?
@@zenrom LOL like Chinese to North-vietnamese
Quảng đông quảng tây của việt nam ok
@@Thinhnguyenpc u r very welcome to come to Guangdong & Guangxi if you have a valid visa🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah but the mongols & the huns are all descendants of the xiongnu...they might be from different tribes and not be the same today due to intermixing but centuries ago they might be very closely related..its in their dna.
That is meaning south china should belong to Vietnam such us Guangdong & Guangxi right ?
The fact is that Vietnam belonged to China at that time.
@@peterwoo2706 yeah, we lost in war ;-;, but still, later on, we have win and keep our blood and territory
Chắc v á bạn êi :)) , nhưng theo dòng lịch sử thì phần lãnh thổ đó ko còn là của ta nux, chứ còn TQ nói là lãnh thổ tự cổ chí kim đến nay cái lấy đó làm cớ giành lại :((((
@@peterwoo2706 越南已经快超越韩国了🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@HongKy-gn5cj i predict Lý Thường Kiệt he will born again in 2075-2076
Imagine Guang Dong , Guang Xi ,Hong Kong & Macau are a part of Vietnam 😂
You would speak Chinese instead of Vietnamese. haha
Hopefully not, espeacially i went to ho chih ming for vacation, poorly developed....
@@JYTheAviator I bet you went to the worse parts to say that. Saigon should be very highly developed.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj maybe you should revaluate the phrase highly-developed
i think you can have guangxi, they do look pathetic southeast asian. guangdong is no better, but too many northerner settled there nowadays, they don't want to join vietnam, even local cantonese hate to be related to vietnamese😂
Are you using the modern Mandarian pronunciation of words, e.g. Nanyue? I feel like the Cantonese pronunciation might be having closer to what it would've sounded like.
do you know Cantonese is a Han Chinese language
Stupid enough
@@hagongda123 You do realize Cantonese and Mandarin despite being Han Chinese are quite different right?
@@noeswantra2295 it's different,but both belong to Han Chinese
It is a dialect but still part of the Sino-tibetan language tree
I like that map. Where can i download?
Ahahahaha @ that conniving bad guy noise