A very touching reaction. The sad part is these men did not have to die. Congressional investigation and testimony by several witnesses pointed all this out. For selfish reasons our Executive Branch placed these people in harms way then sold them out. Had it not been for the sacrifice of brave men the slaughter would have been worse. Our founding fathers knew that government could not be trusted, which is why they limited its powers. Unfortunately, over the centuries the people have yielded more & more power to the government to the point where they would not recognize it. Thank you for your heart felt reaction. You are truly unique. Thanks!
What is even more heartbreaking to me is that those who denied them help for 13 hours never suffered any real consequences and never stepped up to take responsibility.
We saw then Secretary of State Hillderbeast Clinton pull a disappearing act during the whole event. She ran the State Department as her own war machine. Secret assets, bases, agendas. The war there should have never happened and or the US should not have been in the position Hillderbeast advocated for. All the weapons went to a once monikered JV team of a future notorious terrorist group I probably shouldn't say the name of. They had the same name with an ancient Egyptian diety with no theological similarity. All told when Neocons run parts of a government as their own armed princessipality, have no allegiance to the Constitution let alone the heroes protecting them you get this. Add another set of reasons to the list why there is/were chants to Lock Her Up.
Political BS. First of all, there's no was that ANYONE in the US military is going to launch a major strike solely on the basis of a radio call outside of regular military channels. Secondly, there's ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that in the amount of time that the incident took place that Secretary Clinton was even made aware of any back channel calls for assistance. People who spread this partisan BS are the same ones who lied to you about the devastating impact of COVID as well as their active participation in January 6th. A blatant attempt to overturn a legitimate election.
Mary, yes, they absolutely ignored the station chief. In the interviews, all the GRS operators thought little of him and called him a coward. This happens more often than one would think
they knew that the station chief was political and they were thinking military. as soon as the ambassador's place was hit, it became a military action.
This is the equivalent of saying a firefighter should take directions from a police officer while attempting to put out a house fire. They may be both emergency services but most police don't know anything about fighting fires. These operators are the best in the world, trained for this exact type of scenario, chaos and they know how to navigate that chaos. The CIA chief wasn't wrong in wanting to protect his own people and I don't fault him for demanding the operators stay, however, they have the tactical and strategic prowess to make those real time calls and we need to trust their judgement. It's easy to call them out from the safety of our homes but its entirely different being down range having people shoot at you.
Few movies based on a true story have as much truth as this one does. Three of the six special operators---Oz, Tanto, and Tig---appeared in an hour-long documentary used to publicize this movie, and they confirm the substantial truth of the events. Also, the Black security man, Dave, testified before Congress a few years ago. The line “You’re not giving the orders; you’re in my world now,” was actually said, but not as shown. In fact, Oz said that to the state department woman he was protecting. She wanted to go to the embassy, but he knew they had to go to the CIA base. I wish everyone in America could see this movie.
@@fudhater8592Give it a rest, racist: he was pointing out that Dave is a real person - and yes, he's black. Then again, I suppose if they made Dave white for the film, you'd still have a problem.
No, because it is unlikely anyone would know him by his name and there were other security people. I had to look up his name myself, and I've seen this film several times.@@fudhater8592
The CIA chief did interviews when the movie came out trying to protect his reputation and claimed he never told the contractors to stand down. The fact that several people involved say he did and the implication that this probably cost the ambassador his life says a lot. He probably was just the scumbag the movie makes him out to be.
Don't forget Hilary Clinton disobeyed and stalled a rescue attempt that the president himself ordered. And it was Gadhafi's old force that saved those 25 American lives and not the current Libyan government.
I'm sure you believe the election was rigged because a few people said so, yet there is no evidence of such. Funny how it is several people said, not anyone specific. And despite the fact that even if they acted immediately they had no chance to save the Ambassador. But you go ahead and keep believing the lies.
These guys are "former" soldiers who are now working as contractors for the CIA. As contractors they are "for hire" soldiers... the field chief was their direct report... but once the bullets started flying those contractors had operational/tactical command. But it's not like the military... its not like you can be put on trial for treason if you disobey an order as a contractor. You can however lose your job for disobeying orders.
All of the guys who survived were forced to resign from the CIA it’s so sad! These guys sacrificed everything and then got called liars and were swept under the rug
Mary, this attack took place on 11 September 2012. It is another infamous September 11th. I heard a speech by one of the survivors of this attack. He said it was fairly accurate. Overall, Michael Bay did a decent job of telling this story.
Max Martini looked very much like the real Mark "Oz" Geist who he played in the film. During their interactions to help Max get into the character, they became friends, and they would sometimes troll the director by having the real Mark show up on set and pretend to be Max.
What’s insane is max was in captain Phillips, glenn Doherty was one of the seals who shot the pirates at the end of the movie, so he had at least 2 separate occasions where he was in a movie involving bub!
This incident was huge in the US when it happened since it was the first US Ambassador killed serving overseas in over thirty years. Ultimately, it came out that the Ambassador and the State Department Regional Security Officer (RSO) for Libya had repeatedly asked for increased fortifications and security funding in Libya (and been repeatedly denied) due to the deteriorating security conditions there. Ultimately, it obviously cost the Ambassador (and others) their lives. At the time, Hillary Clinton was the US Secretary of State so she bore the ultimate responsibility for not addressing the State Department security concerns the Ambassador there had tried to raise over and over. It became a central political talking point when she ran against Donald Trump in the 2016 Presidential Race here in the US. I'm not sure Benghazi alone cost her the election but it was certainly one factor that hurt her. It is now fading into the past but this movie helps keep the people that lost their lives in people's memories.
I knew several people at the time who said they would never vote for Clinton because of Benghazi, yet they couldn't give any details about the actual events of the attack nor did they watch any of the congressional hearings. So sad how the voices of the real people in this story were brushed aside so we could instead listen to politicians yell at each other.
What really tied the knot on not trusting Dems.. reps had their time to shine in 01, but after this neither side had the trust of the American people and the military for sure don’t trust them.. they liked trump but they haven’t really cared for anyone in actual politics.
Mary, the American English phrase you were looking for is "Trigger Happy," meaning someone who really wants to pull the trigger and discharge his weapon.
You asked if this is real, if people would disobey their superior officers. The truth is, they did leave the compound and went to the consulate. I just re-watched an interview today on the Shaun Ryan show with Mark 'OZ' Geist, he's the one portrayed in this movie that has his left arm almost blown off in the motor attack. What he had to say about it was, the Station Chief, was an old school CIA guy. He was used to working in semi-permissive environments like Moscow. He didn't have any experience working in an actual war zone with armed belligerents. He didn't take the advice of the GRS guys, he just didn't understand the situation, he wasn't suited to it. So yeah, they basically said screw you to the station chief and they went and did what they could.
I definitely remember this event, it happened my first day at Marine boot camp. It was all our instructors were talking about the next few months, really made us think we'd be there fighting next!
As civilian contractors, they may have more leeway when it comes to ignoring orders under those circumstances. The saying that it's better to seek forgiveness than permission can apply both here and on the military side of things. But, from my experience, you better be right.
You asked for similar movies so here you go. These are lesser known so they may not win any poles but they are fantastic movies. 13 Strong, Act Of Valor, Siege At Jadotville, and the National Geographic mini-series Long Road Home. Act Of Valor is the only one not true but the cast was active duty military. I saw someone in the comments recommended Only The Brave, please do that one!!!
I've watched thisovie a half dozen times and seen a few reactions to it, but it still doesn't fail to make me wanna cry every time Jack says "Rone's not coming home" because krasonski was so good in that scene
With the ignoring your superior’s thing they have different superior’s. Which just adds another layer of confusion and problems with situations like this. I’m sure there has been plenty of fights between the CIA, military and contractors. End of the day it would come down to who your actual boss is and how much power they have.
Excuse me, but at the end of the day, everything about this event (and every other event that involves American personnel belonging to the executive branch of the federal government) comes down the person elected to run that branch, ie. the President. So, these four deaths belong solely to Obama for having put these Americans in harm's way and doing absolutely nothing to alleviate the problem as it was occurring.
Regarding chain of command and orders, the U.S. trains us to be autonomous and allows disobeying orders, IF afterwards the order is indeed deemed to be failing or unlawful. This allows us to be much more adaptive than other militaries. You’re taking a massive risk disobeying an order, but it can be justified. Also, when the situation changes, seniority changes with it. For example, when combat starts, the operators become the shot callers on the ground.
@@TalkingHands308 they all took some dramatic liberty. Based on what Marcus says in his telling of the event the movie gets the premise across and isn’t too far from the actual events happenings
"21 Hours at Munich" is a good docudrama depicting the 1972 Munich Olympic hostage crisis and is available on Amazon Prime, UA-cam premium subscription, Apple TV, Roku, Sling TV and Philo.
Yes, they were precisely told not to go and they disobeyed and went. As was the refusal of the US government to send fighter jets to help. Thank you Hillary Clinton
I absolutely loved this film too. I've watched it numerous times, because it moves so quickly that I didn't get to distinguish between the members of the team on the first go round, or really follow the logistics of what was going on.
@Mary I've met Tanto personally several times, trained with him. If you want a better understanding of this event, there are plenty of interviews out there, including a full hour from one of Tanto's speaking events.
Special thanks to O-bastard and Hitler-ry for not allowing help to be sent. There is always a US Carrier Battle Group with Navy SEALS and USMC MARSOC in the Mediterranean Sea. As far as the Gunship being out of refueling range was bullshit. Fighters not being able to assist from Aviano was bullshit. Keep this in mind, I was in Afghanistan when this happened. Everybody was alerted to this happening once it started.
Mary, you are a very special woman, and this reaction just proves how special. I loved it, and for you to not even be an American and feel this way, is a testament to it's power. BTW, "The order of command" or the "hierarchy of command" changes based on the situation you are in. When everything is calm, the politicians and others, like Ambassadors and their staff are the people everyone has to listen to. However, this flips when it becomes a military situation, Martial Law takes over, and at that time, the highest ranking military leaders assumes total control. That's because the others have no tactical understanding of battle, and even if they did, you can't have 2 leaders, so the rule is, in time of battle, the military rules supreme.
Yes the chief of station really did everything he could to stop them from going to help the Ambassador and his security detail. I recommend doing some research on the incident and you will find out what happened was criminal.
For me, one of the hardest movies to watch. Used to play eve with one of the guys that did not make it. Never meet the guy irl but spent a lot of late nights chatting and gaming with Sean and one day he was no longer with us in the chat anymore.
Yes, they did leave the compound to proceed to ambassador against the wishes of the CIA station chief on scene. I say “wishes” and not orders because the men doing the fighting are not CIA employees or members of the US military , not anymore. They are private contractors working under contract with CIA. It’s not a Superior / Subordinate relationship like the military , it’s an Employer/Employee relationship. Best he could do is fire them … in which case , they’d still go. So other than stamp his feet and make sure he did everything he could to say no is all he needs when the congressional subpoenas start coming.
Yes they went without permission. The QRF was orderd to stand by. And several famous politicians watched the drone footage live all night long and did nothing. Look up who was responcible. Why Stevans was there. Etc.
Tanto (the funny guy) spends part of his time as a firearm instructor for civilians in the States now. Never met the guy, but those who have taken his classes say he teaches using humor. Apparently, there's a funny story when he was on another assignment where a U.S. undergrad intern was really adamant about riding his bike every morning. He insulted the GRS guards to their faces, and called them idiots for discouraging him from biking outside the compound. Tanto finally had enough. Being a former U.S. Army Ranger, he lockpicked his way into the shed where the bike was stored after nightfall. The next morning, the intern raised hell that someone had removed the tires and tubes from his bike wheels. He created such a ruckus that the higher-ups actually pulled people aside and started questioning everybody. After little to no luck in locating the bike tires, one of the GRS guys suspected Tanto had something to do with it, and asked him in private. Tanto's response: "Well...can't say I know anything about the tires. But I know I got some sweet new homemade rubber grips for my weapon last night! 😃😃"
Sahara, with Humphrey Bogart, The Train, with Burt Lancaster, and Sink the Bismarck!, are EXCELLENT black-and-white World War II movies, although you can't go wrong in color either, with Bridge on the River Kwai, The Dirty Dozen, or A Bridge Too Far. For Viet Nam, I'd recommend Platoon, Apocalypse Now, and Hamburger Hill as must-sees. And for more modern warfare, Three Kings, Blackhawk Down, Lone Survivor, and American Sniper... just to name a few!
So the dynamic between the “muscles” and the “brain” (Security/CIA Chief) in the beginning of this movie is very complicated and it’s done that way on purpose. Technically none of them are part of the US Military. The “Chief” who wouldn’t let them go when the attack started is the CIA station Chief who is in charge of the compound and everyone inside it. The soldiers are private citizens, not active duty military, hired as security guards for the compound but are not part of the CIA. Since everyone involved was either former military or currently work with the military, they follow American military doctrine which is pretty special in how it works. In the US, Special Forces Operators and lower ranking officers are given much more autonomy and leeway with how they run operations which includes the ability to ignore commands from higher ranking officers if those orders directly put American lives at risk. In this situation, when the attack started, it was completely beyond the Chief’s scope of knowledge/command and by him telling the Operators not to go protect a US Ambassador who was under attack made him lose credibility in the eyes of the Operators. That is why Tyrone essentially took command when they returned from the diplomatic compound. Him saying “you’re in my world now” meant this had transformed from an intelligence gathering mission ran by the CIA into a direct action mission which was the Operators area of expertise. When that happens, whoever the highest ranking operator is takes over and commands the CIA personnel. It’s a very delicate balance of power but when shit hits the fan people tend to relegate power to the ones who are calm when the world is on fire.
Another heartbreaking and tragically beautiful movie based on a true story (although not about war) is Society of the Snow (2023) and I would LOVE to see your reaction to it.
Really such a good movie, though yes very tough to watch. I've watched it just a few times, as I adore JK. Great actor, and Director too. I remember the reports on the news about some of what happened. I feel that there are just some Countries we need to stay out of. Argo would be a good reaction film for you. It's based on a true story also. 😊
Are you watching "The Pacific" by any chance? If so you'll need lots of tissues. Also, that's the Hawaiian "Shaka" sign oka "Hang Loose" in the USA 🇺🇸.
Mary thank you so much for reacting to this, there are not many reactions to this that I have found. Indeed all of what is portrayed here is accurate, at least that is from the four survivors that do interviews. And I certainly don't think they have anything to gain by distorting or lying about the situation. A lot of times this story gets people talking about the politics involved behind the scenes here, but this is basically the story of Heroes who did the right thing when they could have just ignored the situation. It's a tragic story that as the years go by more and more people tend to forget about. Just like you every time I watch this I shed a few tears.
It was easy for me to see Krasinski in this dramatic role since I hadn't seen The Office at the time. I've since seen him in all 4 seasons of "Jack Ryan" and in the Quiet Place films. I saw the first two episodes of The Office and didn't care for it, nor could relate to Krasinski's comedic role, though he was a very creative prankster.
You really have to watch Zero Dark Thirty. It's freaking fabulous. I've watched that numerous times too, and not just because I knew so many people who died in the Towers that day.
Another movie that’s based on true events is “Zero Dark Thirty”. It’s based on Americas capture of Osama Bin Laden. It’s really good in my opinion if you’re interested
The survivors were the technical advisors for the movie. They had to have the final say in order for them to participate as tech. advisors. So the portrayal was very real. Even the loss of the contact was an actual event. I was able to listen to a lecture by one of the survivors. I did not like that he had to relive the event. I wanted to speak with him but I did not want him to have to relive this any longer either. It could have been a very different outcome if our politicians would have cared enough to help.
Some situations demand that experience will dictate action and results. Not rank or command structure. The station chief had minimal combat experience let alone exposure. Sometimes it’s for the best when the more experienced take charge of the situation. Think about it. If those security operators didn’t act on their own initiative and accord. More Americans would’ve died that night. Sometimes, rank or chain of command means nothing.
Nary, awsome reaction!!, love that you get it!!!! Pkease react to, American Sniper, the true story of Chris Kyle, it will lift yoh ip and break uour heart!! Always good to see you darlin!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
As someone who has served I can assure you that when lives are at stake and your commander is being an incompetent moron, you will go over his head to do what has to be done and you’ll probably have a truckload of other troops coming with you and backing you up. Lives come ahead of rank and politics.
Mary, Keep watching The Office. I really like it. For me, I only started watching it recently. The Michael character drove me a little crazy in the earliest episodes. Then, he’ll do something totally unexpected and he redeems himself. Who woulda thought? Anyway, amazing show and lots of fun.
If you are in to real event drama, try Kiljaki or as the Americans named it 'kilo two bravo'...strong english accents so might need subtitles on...in the opinion of an ex soldier...about as real as it gets. No Hollywood tropes, no bravado just pure strength and comradeship.
@@Browncoat66 It makes a massive difference they can get away with things actual military cant. Its one of the reasons they are used in the first place.
Two true biopic movies that are always in the conversation when best movies of the '90s is brought up. yet no one has reacted to them. Ignore your voters if they are voting against them. You will love both. So be the first. Set the trend. They are Steven Spielberg's AMISTAD and Oliver Stone's magnum opus, JFK. My vote for the 2 best trial movies ever made.
This film is based on books written by these men. Plus, the men have been interviewed on numerous news programs. So, yeah, it's correct. These State Department and CIA people look down on the Special Forces types, right until they need them. The Station Chief, in particular, was an idiot, but he was never penalized, because the State Department needed to cover up the danger into which they put their Ambassor.
Hey mate 😮 in this movie's trailer, and the Jack Ryan trailers, and obviously A Quiet Place he almost never speaks. Oh man, if this was the old days I would have fed. And fed some more, but I promise I didn't
Other similar movies that I haven't seen be mentioned yet: Zero Dark Thirty (2012), The Covenant (2023). The first actually gets criticism for being "too Hollywood" and not a lot of action but to me it's better than any classic war movies, the second is a different take on war movies that I had not seen before until I watched it.
They were contractors so they worked for and with the CIA but weren’t IN the CIA. At some point they would do what they know how to do bc they work for a company.
A very touching reaction. The sad part is these men did not have to die. Congressional investigation and testimony by several witnesses pointed all this out. For selfish reasons our Executive Branch placed these people in harms way then sold them out. Had it not been for the sacrifice of brave men the slaughter would have been worse. Our founding fathers knew that government could not be trusted, which is why they limited its powers. Unfortunately, over the centuries the people have yielded more & more power to the government to the point where they would not recognize it. Thank you for your heart felt reaction. You are truly unique. Thanks!
Thank you for the kind comment, Mike!!
What is even more heartbreaking to me is that those who denied them help for 13 hours never suffered any real consequences and never stepped up to take responsibility.
We saw then Secretary of State Hillderbeast Clinton pull a disappearing act during the whole event. She ran the State Department as her own war machine. Secret assets, bases, agendas. The war there should have never happened and or the US should not have been in the position Hillderbeast advocated for. All the weapons went to a once monikered JV team of a future notorious terrorist group I probably shouldn't say the name of. They had the same name with an ancient Egyptian diety with no theological similarity. All told when Neocons run parts of a government as their own armed princessipality, have no allegiance to the Constitution let alone the heroes protecting them you get this. Add another set of reasons to the list why there is/were chants to Lock Her Up.
Hillary Clinton
@@davidmg4216 r.i.p. - He lived an honest life
Political BS. First of all, there's no was that ANYONE in the US military is going to launch a major strike solely on the basis of a radio call outside of regular military channels. Secondly, there's ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that in the amount of time that the incident took place that Secretary Clinton was even made aware of any back channel calls for assistance. People who spread this partisan BS are the same ones who lied to you about the devastating impact of COVID as well as their active participation in January 6th. A blatant attempt to overturn a legitimate election.
@@nittojoe136 I’m not suicidal and I feel fine
Mary, yes, they absolutely ignored the station chief. In the interviews, all the GRS operators thought little of him and called him a coward. This happens more often than one would think
they knew that the station chief was political and they were thinking military. as soon as the ambassador's place was hit, it became a military action.
This is the equivalent of saying a firefighter should take directions from a police officer while attempting to put out a house fire. They may be both emergency services but most police don't know anything about fighting fires. These operators are the best in the world, trained for this exact type of scenario, chaos and they know how to navigate that chaos. The CIA chief wasn't wrong in wanting to protect his own people and I don't fault him for demanding the operators stay, however, they have the tactical and strategic prowess to make those real time calls and we need to trust their judgement. It's easy to call them out from the safety of our homes but its entirely different being down range having people shoot at you.
@@Griff_Filesyou’re absolutely right man. Most people can’t fathom there’s guys trained to go where most people won’t ever think to go
Few movies based on a true story have as much truth as this one does. Three of the six special operators---Oz, Tanto, and Tig---appeared in an hour-long documentary used to publicize this movie, and they confirm the substantial truth of the events. Also, the Black security man, Dave, testified before Congress a few years ago. The line “You’re not giving the orders; you’re in my world now,” was actually said, but not as shown. In fact, Oz said that to the state department woman he was protecting. She wanted to go to the embassy, but he knew they had to go to the CIA base. I wish everyone in America could see this movie.
"The black security man"
You can't just call him Dave?
@@fudhater8592Give it a rest, racist: he was pointing out that Dave is a real person - and yes, he's black.
Then again, I suppose if they made Dave white for the film, you'd still have a problem.
@@Britcarjunkie Why didn't he didn't point out the races of anyone else?
No, because it is unlikely anyone would know him by his name and there were other security people. I had to look up his name myself, and I've seen this film several times.@@fudhater8592
In that case, I would have had to say something long, like "the security guy who was badly wounded on the roof."@@Britcarjunkie
The CIA chief did interviews when the movie came out trying to protect his reputation and claimed he never told the contractors to stand down.
The fact that several people involved say he did and the implication that this probably cost the ambassador his life says a lot. He probably was just the scumbag the movie makes him out to be.
Don't forget Hilary Clinton disobeyed and stalled a rescue attempt that the president himself ordered. And it was Gadhafi's old force that saved those 25 American lives and not the current Libyan government.
I'm sure you believe the election was rigged because a few people said so, yet there is no evidence of such. Funny how it is several people said, not anyone specific. And despite the fact that even if they acted immediately they had no chance to save the Ambassador. But you go ahead and keep believing the lies.
These guys are "former" soldiers who are now working as contractors for the CIA. As contractors they are "for hire" soldiers... the field chief was their direct report... but once the bullets started flying those contractors had operational/tactical command. But it's not like the military... its not like you can be put on trial for treason if you disobey an order as a contractor. You can however lose your job for disobeying orders.
All of the guys who survived were forced to resign from the CIA it’s so sad! These guys sacrificed everything and then got called liars and were swept under the rug
Mary, watch the real interviews with the real guys, you’ll get to know the whole story… it is truly heartbreaking
I second this.
Mary, this attack took place on 11 September 2012. It is another infamous September 11th.
I heard a speech by one of the survivors of this attack. He said it was fairly accurate.
Overall, Michael Bay did a decent job of telling this story.
Max Martini looked very much like the real Mark "Oz" Geist who he played in the film. During their interactions to help Max get into the character, they became friends, and they would sometimes troll the director by having the real Mark show up on set and pretend to be Max.
What’s insane is max was in captain Phillips, glenn Doherty was one of the seals who shot the pirates at the end of the movie, so he had at least 2 separate occasions where he was in a movie involving bub!
This incident was huge in the US when it happened since it was the first US Ambassador killed serving overseas in over thirty years. Ultimately, it came out that the Ambassador and the State Department Regional Security Officer (RSO) for Libya had repeatedly asked for increased fortifications and security funding in Libya (and been repeatedly denied) due to the deteriorating security conditions there. Ultimately, it obviously cost the Ambassador (and others) their lives. At the time, Hillary Clinton was the US Secretary of State so she bore the ultimate responsibility for not addressing the State Department security concerns the Ambassador there had tried to raise over and over. It became a central political talking point when she ran against Donald Trump in the 2016 Presidential Race here in the US. I'm not sure Benghazi alone cost her the election but it was certainly one factor that hurt her. It is now fading into the past but this movie helps keep the people that lost their lives in people's memories.
I knew several people at the time who said they would never vote for Clinton because of Benghazi, yet they couldn't give any details about the actual events of the attack nor did they watch any of the congressional hearings. So sad how the voices of the real people in this story were brushed aside so we could instead listen to politicians yell at each other.
What really tied the knot on not trusting Dems.. reps had their time to shine in 01, but after this neither side had the trust of the American people and the military for sure don’t trust them.. they liked trump but they haven’t really cared for anyone in actual politics.
Mary, the American English phrase you were looking for is "Trigger Happy," meaning someone who really wants to pull the trigger and discharge his weapon.
You asked if this is real, if people would disobey their superior officers. The truth is, they did leave the compound and went to the consulate. I just re-watched an interview today on the Shaun Ryan show with Mark 'OZ' Geist, he's the one portrayed in this movie that has his left arm almost blown off in the motor attack. What he had to say about it was, the Station Chief, was an old school CIA guy. He was used to working in semi-permissive environments like Moscow. He didn't have any experience working in an actual war zone with armed belligerents. He didn't take the advice of the GRS guys, he just didn't understand the situation, he wasn't suited to it. So yeah, they basically said screw you to the station chief and they went and did what they could.
There is a ski run here at Snowbird called Glenn's after Glenn who was a ski bum here. He loved skiing that run because it always had powder.
I definitely remember this event, it happened my first day at Marine boot camp. It was all our instructors were talking about the next few months, really made us think we'd be there fighting next!
As civilian contractors, they may have more leeway when it comes to ignoring orders under those circumstances. The saying that it's better to seek forgiveness than permission can apply both here and on the military side of things. But, from my experience, you better be right.
You asked for similar movies so here you go. These are lesser known so they may not win any poles but they are fantastic movies. 13 Strong, Act Of Valor, Siege At Jadotville, and the National Geographic mini-series Long Road Home. Act Of Valor is the only one not true but the cast was active duty military. I saw someone in the comments recommended Only The Brave, please do that one!!!
This was really truly a good depiction of real life conflict. It being based on true events makes it really impactful. Great reaction.
9:50 that was grandpagaming and he was playin Battlefield, I love that guy
A couple of movies that might interest you if you like this movie are 'Hotel Rwanda' and 'Black Hawk Down'.
very good movies about real shitty events!
I would add "The Covenant" to that list as well
She saw Black Hawk Down as a request.
I recommend “Taking Chance” and “The Impossible” as two more movies worth watching.
Mary has seen "Black Hawk Down," but "Hotel Rwanda" has been criminally overlooked by most UA-camrs. I hope she'll react to it.
Love the reaction, what a great ending 😊
I've watched thisovie a half dozen times and seen a few reactions to it, but it still doesn't fail to make me wanna cry every time Jack says "Rone's not coming home" because krasonski was so good in that scene
While I despise this director’s other work, I give him props here for an EXCEPTIONAL movie!!
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With the ignoring your superior’s thing they have different superior’s. Which just adds another layer of confusion and problems with situations like this. I’m sure there has been plenty of fights between the CIA, military and contractors. End of the day it would come down to who your actual boss is and how much power they have.
Excuse me, but at the end of the day, everything about this event (and every other event that involves American personnel belonging to the executive branch of the federal government) comes down the person elected to run that branch, ie. the President. So, these four deaths belong solely to Obama for having put these Americans in harm's way and doing absolutely nothing to alleviate the problem as it was occurring.
The real Kris Paronto has said that the portrayal of the embassy attack and their response was actually extremely accurate in this movie.
Regarding chain of command and orders, the U.S. trains us to be autonomous and allows disobeying orders, IF afterwards the order is indeed deemed to be failing or unlawful. This allows us to be much more adaptive than other militaries. You’re taking a massive risk disobeying an order, but it can be justified. Also, when the situation changes, seniority changes with it. For example, when combat starts, the operators become the shot callers on the ground.
Now we need to convince Mary to watch Black Hawk Down and Lone Survivor
Black Hawk Down was great, but I heard Lone Survivor was pretty far from the truth.
@@TalkingHands308 they all took some dramatic liberty. Based on what Marcus says in his telling of the event the movie gets the premise across and isn’t too far from the actual events happenings
It's my absolute favorite movie. Another that always gets me is Blackhawk Down.
"21 Hours at Munich" is a good docudrama depicting the 1972 Munich Olympic hostage crisis and is available on Amazon Prime, UA-cam premium subscription, Apple TV, Roku, Sling TV and Philo.
Yes, they were precisely told not to go and they disobeyed and went. As was the refusal of the US government to send fighter jets to help. Thank you Hillary Clinton
This is the incident that infuriates me the most in the history of my time. These men are heroes and speak candidly about this event.
Kevin Bacon did a movie called "Taking Chance"
Taking Chance is a must-see!
A very sad, but a very touching movie about a relatively unexplored part of war and it's aftermath. Beautifully played by Bacon.
I absolutely loved this film too. I've watched it numerous times, because it moves so quickly that I didn't get to distinguish between the members of the team on the first go round, or really follow the logistics of what was going on.
Such a great movie. I’ve loved it since I 1st saw it. Very underrated. 👏🏾
That hand sign means ( hang lose).
🤙
In this case, its a common gesture used amongst African mercenaries. Jambo is a greeting in Swahili.
@@ScarriorIII That hand gesture has been used in Hawaii for almost 1,600 years.
Thanks! Total disaster for these folks. Politicians left these guys high and dry.
Hillary Clinton
Aaah wow, thank you so much!
apologies for the super late reply, everyone here has been a bit under the weather. But thank you thank you, thank you!
Lone Survivor is the only other based on a true story that I can think of. It is also very good.
@Mary I've met Tanto personally several times, trained with him. If you want a better understanding of this event, there are plenty of interviews out there, including a full hour from one of Tanto's speaking events.
The sweetest, most caring reactor of all. 💗
I suggest "Hamburger Hill" (1987) which uses fictional characters to tell the story of a real event.
If you guys haven’t seen it already, I recommend watching the Iron Claw. It’s stars Zac Efron. It’s based off the tru story of the Von Erich brothers.
Special thanks to O-bastard and Hitler-ry for not allowing help to be sent. There is always a US Carrier Battle Group with Navy SEALS and USMC MARSOC in the Mediterranean Sea. As far as the Gunship being out of refueling range was bullshit. Fighters not being able to assist from Aviano was bullshit. Keep this in mind, I was in Afghanistan when this happened. Everybody was alerted to this happening once it started.
That's not what 8 House (Republican) investigations into Benghazi found.
Mary, you are a very special woman, and this reaction just proves how special. I loved it, and for you to not even be an American and feel this way, is a testament to it's power. BTW, "The order of command" or the "hierarchy of command" changes based on the situation you are in. When everything is calm, the politicians and others, like Ambassadors and their staff are the people everyone has to listen to. However, this flips when it becomes a military situation, Martial Law takes over, and at that time, the highest ranking military leaders assumes total control. That's because the others have no tactical understanding of battle, and even if they did, you can't have 2 leaders, so the rule is, in time of battle, the military rules supreme.
Yes the chief of station really did everything he could to stop them from going to help the Ambassador and his security detail. I recommend doing some research on the incident and you will find out what happened was criminal.
For me, one of the hardest movies to watch. Used to play eve with one of the guys that did not make it. Never meet the guy irl but spent a lot of late nights chatting and gaming with Sean and one day he was no longer with us in the chat anymore.
Yes, they did leave the compound to proceed to ambassador against the wishes of the CIA station chief on scene. I say “wishes” and not orders because the men doing the fighting are not CIA employees or members of the US military , not anymore. They are private contractors working under contract with CIA. It’s not a Superior / Subordinate relationship like the military , it’s an Employer/Employee relationship. Best he could do is fire them … in which case , they’d still go. So other than stamp his feet and make sure he did everything he could to say no is all he needs when the congressional subpoenas start coming.
Yes they went without permission. The QRF was orderd to stand by. And several famous politicians watched the drone footage live all night long and did nothing. Look up who was responcible. Why Stevans was there. Etc.
Maybe, just maybe, Lone survivor(2013) could be something to watch. Heartbreaking war movie.
And it's another true story.
You may want to react to Act of Valor, true stories of Navy Seals missions.
Tanto (the funny guy) spends part of his time as a firearm instructor for civilians in the States now. Never met the guy, but those who have taken his classes say he teaches using humor.
Apparently, there's a funny story when he was on another assignment where a U.S. undergrad intern was really adamant about riding his bike every morning. He insulted the GRS guards to their faces, and called them idiots for discouraging him from biking outside the compound.
Tanto finally had enough. Being a former U.S. Army Ranger, he lockpicked his way into the shed where the bike was stored after nightfall.
The next morning, the intern raised hell that someone had removed the tires and tubes from his bike wheels. He created such a ruckus that the higher-ups actually pulled people aside and started questioning everybody.
After little to no luck in locating the bike tires, one of the GRS guys suspected Tanto had something to do with it, and asked him in private.
Tanto's response: "Well...can't say I know anything about the tires. But I know I got some sweet new homemade rubber grips for my weapon last night! 😃😃"
3:30 In English we say, “trigger happy” as in, the guy just wants to shoot anything that moves
Sahara, with Humphrey Bogart, The Train, with Burt Lancaster, and Sink the Bismarck!, are EXCELLENT black-and-white World War II movies, although you can't go wrong in color either, with Bridge on the River Kwai, The Dirty Dozen, or A Bridge Too Far. For Viet Nam, I'd recommend Platoon, Apocalypse Now, and Hamburger Hill as must-sees. And for more modern warfare, Three Kings, Blackhawk Down, Lone Survivor, and American Sniper... just to name a few!
One of the most maddening comments stemmed from this horrible event. "What difference does it make?"
❤❤❤ Love your heart, Mary!
So the dynamic between the “muscles” and the “brain” (Security/CIA Chief) in the beginning of this movie is very complicated and it’s done that way on purpose. Technically none of them are part of the US Military.
The “Chief” who wouldn’t let them go when the attack started is the CIA station Chief who is in charge of the compound and everyone inside it. The soldiers are private citizens, not active duty military, hired as security guards for the compound but are not part of the CIA. Since everyone involved was either former military or currently work with the military, they follow American military doctrine which is pretty special in how it works.
In the US, Special Forces Operators and lower ranking officers are given much more autonomy and leeway with how they run operations which includes the ability to ignore commands from higher ranking officers if those orders directly put American lives at risk.
In this situation, when the attack started, it was completely beyond the Chief’s scope of knowledge/command and by him telling the Operators not to go protect a US Ambassador who was under attack made him lose credibility in the eyes of the Operators. That is why Tyrone essentially took command when they returned from the diplomatic compound.
Him saying “you’re in my world now” meant this had transformed from an intelligence gathering mission ran by the CIA into a direct action mission which was the Operators area of expertise. When that happens, whoever the highest ranking operator is takes over and commands the CIA personnel. It’s a very delicate balance of power but when shit hits the fan people tend to relegate power to the ones who are calm when the world is on fire.
The English term for someone who is shoot loving is “trigger happy”
Another heartbreaking and tragically beautiful movie based on a true story (although not about war) is Society of the Snow (2023) and I would LOVE to see your reaction to it.
Really such a good movie, though yes very tough to watch. I've watched it just a few times, as I adore JK. Great actor, and Director too. I remember the reports on the news about some of what happened. I feel that there are just some Countries we need to stay out of. Argo would be a good reaction film for you. It's based on a true story also. 😊
Great n powerful reaction ty
I don't know about our government but common sense says you help your friends no matter what.
Are you watching "The Pacific" by any chance? If so you'll need lots of tissues. Also, that's the Hawaiian "Shaka" sign oka "Hang Loose" in the USA 🇺🇸.
Dear Mary, at 3:26 I think the English term would be "trigger happy" - someone who looks for a reason TO shoot, rather than reasons NOT to.
Mary thank you so much for reacting to this, there are not many reactions to this that I have found. Indeed all of what is portrayed here is accurate, at least that is from the four survivors that do interviews. And I certainly don't think they have anything to gain by distorting or lying about the situation. A lot of times this story gets people talking about the politics involved behind the scenes here, but this is basically the story of Heroes who did the right thing when they could have just ignored the situation. It's a tragic story that as the years go by more and more people tend to forget about. Just like you every time I watch this I shed a few tears.
Hi Mary. Question: Are you a dutch person living in Belgium? Or the otherway around? Thanks 😊
The hand move,🤙🏼 hang loose
It was easy for me to see Krasinski in this dramatic role since I hadn't seen The Office at the time. I've since seen him in all 4 seasons of "Jack Ryan" and in the Quiet Place films. I saw the first two episodes of The Office and didn't care for it, nor could relate to Krasinski's comedic role, though he was a very creative prankster.
You really have to watch Zero Dark Thirty. It's freaking fabulous. I've watched that numerous times too, and not just because I knew so many people who died in the Towers that day.
Another movie that’s based on true events is “Zero Dark Thirty”. It’s based on Americas capture of Osama Bin Laden. It’s really good in my opinion if you’re interested
The survivors were the technical advisors for the movie. They had to have the final say in order for them to participate as tech. advisors. So the portrayal was very real. Even the loss of the contact was an actual event. I was able to listen to a lecture by one of the survivors. I did not like that he had to relive the event. I wanted to speak with him but I did not want him to have to relive this any longer either. It could have been a very different outcome if our politicians would have cared enough to help.
Pam’s fiancee, Roy, was also one of the operators.
Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
Yes! Let's go,Mary!
Some situations demand that experience will dictate action and results. Not rank or command structure. The station chief had minimal combat experience let alone exposure. Sometimes it’s for the best when the more experienced take charge of the situation.
Think about it. If those security operators didn’t act on their own initiative and accord. More Americans would’ve died that night. Sometimes, rank or chain of command means nothing.
Nary, awsome reaction!!, love that you get it!!!! Pkease react to, American Sniper, the true story of Chris Kyle, it will lift yoh ip and break uour heart!! Always good to see you darlin!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
In english we say "Trigger Happy" to describe what you are referring to at 3:30
❤❤❤love your emotions
Geweldige reactie op een zeer goede film, bedankt Marijke !
As someone who has served I can assure you that when lives are at stake and your commander is being an incompetent moron, you will go over his head to do what has to be done and you’ll probably have a truckload of other troops coming with you and backing you up. Lives come ahead of rank and politics.
We don’t leave people behind. Either we all go or we all die together 🤷🏽♂️
Mary, Keep watching The Office. I really like it. For me, I only started watching it recently. The Michael character drove me a little crazy in the earliest episodes. Then, he’ll do something totally unexpected and he redeems himself. Who woulda thought? Anyway, amazing show and lots of fun.
Now you need to see "The Covenant". It's heart breaking
If you are in to real event drama, try Kiljaki or as the Americans named it 'kilo two bravo'...strong english accents so might need subtitles on...in the opinion of an ex soldier...about as real as it gets. No Hollywood tropes, no bravado just pure strength and comradeship.
She just started the Office? LMAO This movie came out well after the office... She's never gonna look at Jim the same way again.
While not every detail is factual, it gets as close to the truth of what happened as a Hollywood movie can. A very well written and acted film.
Lone Survivor is like this movie. Also a true story
They are civilian contractors so they don't have the structure like actual military.
Like that would make any difference.
@@Browncoat66 It makes a massive difference they can get away with things actual military cant. Its one of the reasons they are used in the first place.
Two true biopic movies that are always in the conversation when best movies of the '90s is brought up. yet no one has reacted to them. Ignore your voters if they are voting against them. You will love both. So be the first. Set the trend. They are Steven Spielberg's AMISTAD and Oliver Stone's magnum opus, JFK. My vote for the 2 best trial movies ever made.
Didn't plan on having red eyes this morning.
This is a favorite of mine, too. The whole thing was the fault of Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton.
This film is based on books written by these men. Plus, the men have been interviewed on numerous news programs. So, yeah, it's correct. These State Department and CIA people look down on the Special Forces types, right until they need them. The Station Chief, in particular, was an idiot, but he was never penalized, because the State Department needed to cover up the danger into which they put their Ambassor.
They totally disobeyed the station chief and left
Thanks Mary
What people don't talk about is the real world. Yes this is a Hollywood movie. The real world is much uglier. And more violent.
Can you react to American Sniper please?
Hey mate 😮 in this movie's trailer, and the Jack Ryan trailers, and obviously A Quiet Place he almost never speaks. Oh man, if this was the old days I would have fed. And fed some more, but I promise I didn't
In the film, the 'good' were not given a name, they just resisted the oppressors.
Jim and Roy together again..
President O's administration would not authorize any Military help
Other similar movies that I haven't seen be mentioned yet: Zero Dark Thirty (2012), The Covenant (2023).
The first actually gets criticism for being "too Hollywood" and not a lot of action but to me it's better than any classic war movies, the second is a different take on war movies that I had not seen before until I watched it.
She saw Zero Dark Thirty.
@@theflyingfisherman7829 oh I didn't know, I searched her channel to make sure and there's no reaction to it so guess she watched it on her own
@@darkceptor44 Yea, she reacted to it as a request. But the reaction is not on YT or Patreon yet.
They were contractors so they worked for and with the CIA but weren’t IN the CIA. At some point they would do what they know how to do bc they work for a company.
The more you learn/read about this, the angrier you’ll get.
The ‘Bob’ guy was even worse irl.