Lets talk about hobbies with certain dangers to them and how that does not make them bad hobbies
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Considering how these people are going further with the hobby than anything I have ever seen before, do you feel this is them showing their freedom and courage to do such activities, or do you feel that they are going too far?
Points to note about the topics in this video.....
I ask that you watch the entire video as there are a lot of important points that I have made. If you really don't have time to watch it all, please make sure you hear my advice at 32:54
The reason why I made this video is because more young people than ever before are surfing lifts. I get to hear a lot of things, word gets around fast, and I know a lot more about what is going on than you might think. The issue is that this new generation of lift surfers are not coming forward to get help or to learn how to do the hobby safely. This is because of certain people spreading the narrative that lift surfing is bad. In practice this translates to many teenagers as the hobby is edgy and is a secret thing to do. This is the WRONG way to go about the hobby. We need these young people to come forwards. For this to happen we need to give them proper advice on the hobby. Just telling them that they shouldn't be doing the hobby will only make the situation worse.
This video was not easy to make, and I did not enjoy making. But it is an important issue that has to be talked about. I am aware that some of the things I have said may cause issues with certain people. But the situation has gone too far to a point where I simply could not say nothing. This surfing hobby needs to be seen differently. It does not work having it seen as some sort of daredevil hobby. There are young people who need support. We can not just leave them in the current situation of the hobby being considered bad which leads to them doing it in secret. For this situation to improve we need this hobby to be considered in the same way that a mainstream sports hobby is.
In this video I use the term "young people". This is so that I am not directly referring to someone's age. There is no specific age where someone becomes knowledgeable enough to take on a certain hobby. Each persons understanding and ability is individual to them. In fact here are many adults who do not have the capability to do this hobby safely. When I refer to "young people" in the context of surfing, I am referring to young teenagers. It is worth noting that very occasionally there can be people younger than this who have the ability to understand what they are doing, but this is not so common. However the most important thing is that we do not look at people by there age, but instead look at peoples ability. No pre consumption should be made on anyone solely because of their age. However, people who are inexperienced or under 15 should really be doing the hobby under the supervision of someone who is experienced.
With the mentioned bad lift surfing tutorials, I have reuploaded my "How not to surf a lift" video which talked about this issue. I deleted this video as I felt I had got the tone wrong. I have uploaded it again for reference only. It is worth noting that one of the people who made such tutorials with included dangerous instructions is the same person who is now supposedly against lift surfing.
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i'm 15 and lift surf but i don't make videos bc once i did i got shouted at by everyone i would talk to lift surfers but i can't find anyone
Here is how I see things from my perspective. You are young and you say you surf lifts. This makes me feel worried as you haven't made videos and, as far as I know, haven't talked to people about it. I simply do not know if you are being safe or not. I do not know if you have a full understanding of surfing or not. This makes me feel concerned. However, the people I am not happy with for this sort of situation are the people online who shout about how lift surfing is bad. it is because of them young people who become interested in this hobby do not feel that they can reach out.
@@benolifts I’ve learned a lot about lifts and try to be as safe as I can but I dont know every small detail so I mainly just watch these videos to see how safe I can be
I am glad that you have made contact so that the we can now talk about the hobby. There is nothing wrong with having a hobby like lift surfing provided it is done safely. I am not happy with the people who preach about how people shouldn't do the hobby as they have created the situation where people do it in secret. In other hobbies with a degree of risk such as rock climbing people accept that young people will become interested and work with them to teach them to do it safely.
@@lift_brisll i was able to open up landing doors and show it off to teachers, only 1 out of the 5 teachers i showed were concerned and told my year leader then told my sister that they treat me as their son, in the end they fell in with the 4 that approved on what i done. Freely do as you do as you want and block the hate.
@@benoliftsagreed Im glad that he seeked for help instead of surfing in secret bcz of crap hate thing bcz isolating is very dangerous. Lift surfing should not be hated at all. Hating it just makes thing go even worse !
Just got done watching the video. GREAT job putting things in perspective. VERY well spoken.
diesel Ducey I love your videos
The isolation we face on the spectrum due to the normies refusing to see our "special interests" as worth pursuing is crazy. Autistic special interests are infantilised to such a crazy degree that only children seem to be allowed to have them publicly.
Holy smokes do I hate neurotypicals and how their ways push us around. I was not able to put this issue into words but Ben Is able to explain this issue effortlessly.
A common aspergian identity is needed asap to defend our way of life. Not an aspie supremacist but I can't help but resort to this ideology when I have to put up with neuronormative bs. I'd call myself a Pan-Aspergianist to avoid the ableism associated with the ideology but idk
Throughout my life I have had problems from normal people not being pleasant to people like myself with Asperger's. Around 10 years ago I feel like there was a bit of an effort from society to improve things. But things have regressed backwards and there is currently more hate towards Asperger's at the moment.
With people taking issue with our special interests, the problem is even worse when the special interest is perceived to be a dangerous daredevil hobby. With lift surfing there are certain safety factors where it is not good for someone inexperienced to attempt the hobby alone. However the hatred that normal people have for this hobby, by claiming its dangerous, is literally making the hobby more dangerous, as people who are new to the hobby don't feel that they can reach out, so they do it without telling anyone.
I look at it like this. If you are a grown adult you can make your own choices. You know the risk vs reward and it is not up to other people to tell you what to do. You be you. Enjoy life and do what you enjoy. Omg that video is so embarrassing. I was so cringy then. My goal at this point is obviously to still try to be a role model while trying to strike a balance of not coming across as “telling people what to do”.
Bingo, you got it! Most of us are adults here and can make our own conscious decisions. There is a fine line between influencers though, as people will often imitate
Firstly, at no point was anything I said in this video intended as hate towards you, and I hope you don't see it that way. This video was stressful for me to make. The issues around young people wanting to do the hobby are complex and I felt I had to talk about it. The issue is that young people will want to do the surfing hobby. But as they are young they need to understand the safety imprecations around with it. They need support. The issue is that the current situation with people telling them not to do it is not working. The pressure of people telling them not to do it, which is often said in a very negative way online, makes them feel that the hobby is some sort of edgy or dodgy hobby that they should do in secret. This is a very unsafe and not appropriate way to think of the hobby. Things need to change. There needs to be a way for young people who are capable to have some sort of help around this hobby. I understand that this is a complex situation as there is the issue of separating the capable and not capable people. And there is the risk of accidents if the hobby is not done correctly. But things need to change as the current situation of people hating on the hobby simply does not work.
@eMNwhich is exactly how I feel. As I’ve gotten older and hopefully wiser I’ve realized it is a fine line between being a role model vs coming across as bossy. I am beginning to think that maybe that video needs to go. I just rewatched it and it is an EMBARRASSMENT. I am about 10 mins into your video and I will say I agree with everything you have said so far. At the end of the day all of us are going to enjoy our hobbies. I cannot make a video telling people not to do something when I in fact might do that sometimes whether it’s on or off camera. It’s an old video. Obviously it doesn’t line up with my current beliefs so it was time for it to go. My current beliefs are your your own person do what’s right for you.
@benolifts Absolutely no offense taken whatsoever. I consider you a friend and that was an old video that probably needed to go. I rewatched my video and I am mortified. I can't believe I said some of the stuff I said. I am glad you made this video as my video needed to go. NOBODY should be bullied for a HOBBY. Especially somebody that understands the risks of their hobby.
@@benolifts
*I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE VIDEO YET*
But honestly, admit it. It's almost like you are operating a McDonalds branch and then are concerned about people's health.... that level of irony is at least there with your videos.
Responding to 19:00 about niche hobbies being discriminated against. When I was a kid I was very closeted about my love of elevators. It wasn't til I got on youtube where i actually felt accepted for my hobbies. This video keeps getting better as it goes on! I'll probably comment again after I finish it. You have done a great job with this video so far. breaking down how some what some people consider normal hobbies are far more risky yet people just accept them.
I ask that you watch the entire video as there are a lot of important points that I have made. If you really don't have time to watch it all, please make sure you hear my advice at 32:54
The reason why I made this video is because more young people than ever before are surfing lifts. I get to hear a lot of things, word gets around fast, and I know a lot more about what is going on than you might think. The issue is that this new generation of lift surfers are not coming forward to get help or to learn how to do the hobby safely. This is because of certain people spreading the narrative that lift surfing is bad. In practice this translates to many teenagers as the hobby is edgy and is a secret thing to do. This is the WRONG way to go about the hobby. We need these young people to come forwards. For this to happen we need to give them proper advice on the hobby. Just telling them that they shouldn't be doing the hobby will only make the situation worse.
This video was not easy to make, and I did not enjoy making. But it is an important issue that has to be talked about. I am aware that some of the things I have said may cause issues with certain people. But the situation has gone too far to a point where I simply could not say nothing. This surfing hobby needs to be seen differently. It does not work having it seen as some sort of daredevil hobby. There are young people who need support. We can not just leave them in the current situation of the hobby being considered bad which leads to them doing it in secret. For this situation to improve we need this hobby to be considered in the same way that a mainstream sports hobby is.
In this video I use the term "young people". This is so that I am not directly referring to someone's age. There is no specific age where someone becomes knowledgeable enough to take on a certain hobby. Each persons understanding and ability is individual to them. In fact here are many adults who do not have the capability to do this hobby safely. When I refer to "young people" in the context of surfing, I am referring to young teenagers. It is worth noting that very occasionally there can be people younger than this who have the ability to understand what they are doing, but this is not so common. However the most important thing is that we do not look at people by there age, but instead look at peoples ability. No pre consumption should be made on anyone solely because of their age. However, people who are inexperienced or under 15 should really be doing the hobby under the supervision of someone who is experienced.
When I get home I will definitely watch the entire video. So far what I have seen is good advice.
Three worlds to sum up the whole video. VERY WELL SAID 👍
Great idea to do this video and it is very well spoken too!
To everyone out there who surfs lifts, please remember to be safe when doing so
Hey, thank you very much for doing this video. Flying is indeed another hobby with inherent risks, and I thoroughly enjoy that. Especially in ultralight and or microlight aircraft.
After watching DieselDucy and the other channels.
I believe the Beno channel is the best. You balance safety, risk, and teach important lessons for safe elevator operation. Also your intros in some of your videos is very funny especially the rat one XD.
Thank you for sharing.
Very well said. As someone who has done a lot of boating, I can confirm that there are lots of dangers that you have to pay attention to. A lot of unexpected things can happen, and you need to know how to respond to emergencies and know who can help you. A lot of problems that you might face are due to other boaters, such as those who go too fast, create too much wake, tamper with markings, throw dangerous items overboard, etc. For a long time, boaters have recognized that having a strong community and sharing their knowledge openly makes everyone safer because they can correct this kind of behavior.
In my country, there is a very similar problem with education about safe sex. There is a culture where people are afraid to talk about sex and discourage young people from doing it at all, despite the fact that this something nearly everybody does. This is an actual policy at many schools, where teachers can only tell students not to have sex, they can't talk about contraceptives or STD prevention measures at all. As a result, people know alarmingly little about their own bodies and can't detect sexual health problems. Worse yet, a lot of people give birth to children and have no ability to take care of them properly or financially support them. This is combined with the fact that there is no meaningful education about personal finance in most schools. A lot of accidents could be prevented (or made less bad) if we talk about it openly.
Excellent video, well put, and bravo! There's a reason I distance myself from the lift/elevator community, and I only still keep in contact with very few people that I know I can trust. Way too much toxicity. I miss the pre 2010 days ):
To be honest, all online communities for a hobby are toxic. The internet was once a great place for people to find others with the same interest as themselves, but things have gone far past that a long time ago. Online group based on almost every hobby there is are full of hateful people, including the communities for trains, buses, urbex, fire alarms, lifts, and pretty much every hobby there is. Back when I first started started UA-cam in 2009 I called myself "benobve" because I was planning to be involved with the Bve train simulator. I was new to the subject and had a go at creating content for it. At this point I hadn't engaged with the Bve community. I uploaded my attempts at a route onto my a website. The response I got from the community was a shock to me at the time. Everyone was very hostile and aggressive. Rather than being a friendly environment for a new person to encourage them to improve their content, the community instead reacted like I was some of of evil person who wanted to spread my crap horrid content into their community. And as always, when people decide they hate you, someone decides to make a false allegation, of which everyone believes unquestioningly. This time the allegation was that my content contained computer viruses. Considering that I hadn't really engaged with the community, I no longer felt that I wanted anything to do with them. As for my other hobbies (trains, lifts, urbex, travelling, etc) it is honestly best to just have a few friends that you can trust, and not care for the wider community. The worst communities are trains and urbex. I don't even have any words that I can use to describe quite how toxic these are.
I think in countries like Bangladesh and India, it’s more people have to get where the train is going rather than surfing it for fun, and the way some people do it is extremely dangerous. I saw a video where a guy was at the front of the train just above the track and he was holding on if you lose his grip train cut him right in half.
I was in also in that exact same article from The Sun!!!
Which is why I unlisted my lift surfing videos and it put me off making youtube videos. That article kind of felt like public shaming and it made me very uncomfortable. I havn't been on top a lift since 2021, although latlely I've been thinking about possibly getting back into it.
The Sun newspaper is a sensationalist reactionary load of toilet paper. They only thing they do is over react and scaremonger everything in order to sell papers. They have zero interest in editorial accuracy. Don't let them influence what you do. The Sun can't doing anything to you other than write a load of untrue rubbish. Also The Sun has no moral standing to act like they are the voice of reason on ANY subject. With the numerous false aggregations they have made over the years, to things like how they deliberately mis-reported the Hillsborough disaster where 97 people died and tried to blame the victims. And The Sun used to show pornography of 16 year old girls in their newspapers on a daily basis. The Sun has no moral high ground on anything.
To be honest with you Beno, I find a lot of people, especially those on the autistic spectrum (including myself), we are very isolated from these types of hobbies due to the fact that "normal" people can't understand that we have hobbies that we really enjoy. I for instance am a bus and trainspotter as well as an elevator enthusiast with a real elevator panel, and do computer science and experiment with virtual machines and networks, as well as real original old maps dating back to the 1930s and making articles about these old routes (especially one route I like the most, which was London Buses route 324 (1996-2002)), and according to "normal" society, I am either crazy or just plain stupid. I mean my hobbies do also come with a lot of risks, especially stuff like prices of bus maps and such, however most of my stuff was donated to me (including an elevator panel from a company called PrecisionLifts, sure bad Dewhurst), I do find tho people of the autism spectrum are only recognised if they are the stereotype who "likes trains, is non-verbal and can't do anything themselves" and it is outrageous.
Yo I didn't know you had YT!
Heck even just regular elevator enthusiasts have been shamed for loving elevators. When I was in high school I was made fun of just because I was fascinated with elevators. Anything that is not considered “normal” people can be mean about. I have autism. It makes me who I am. To me these so called normal people are the ones with the problem. Not us.
I'm autistic too and i am interested in lifts. I don't plan on doing any lift surfing though. I dont normaly to many places where there are lifts so i don't film them. I have gotten stuck before when the door failed to close and the lift started moving and then stopped just shy of the third floor 💀. Thanks to the firemen who got me out very quickly!
@@HSETM surely you must've.
@@FinLord333 I've always been interested in lifts, I think the first time I went filiming lifts was when I was like 5 or 6 and I would go to certain shopping centres and film the lifts of the stores that I went into because at the time and still I find it very interesting.
A lift engineer took me lift surfing when I was about 10 year's old. He explained a few safety aspects, like never rely on just one switch to stop the lift if you are in a potential crush situation.
There was a group of lift surfers at school in the 80s who used to surf the lifts at school (6 floors duplex 1970s Otis) at lunchtime. They were reasonably safe and discrete, then some other people got into it. I remember witnessing the DP being attacked by a guy on top of the lift where the guy on top was using that weight on the lever of the Otis to crush the DP in the doors. Kind of funny but not as the DP had no clue whatsoever as to what was going on... Anyway one rainy lunchtime I walked past the lifts to see about 10 people on top of it. One of the teachers heard a thump and looked up the gap and saw a whole load of kids. This created a super dangerous situation as the kids had to escape. They tried to escape via the next floor however there were more teachers on that floor so in their panic they jumped across to the other lift while it was moving then got away via a higher floor. Nobody was caught and nobody was hurt but enough was said in assembly to put a stop to surfing.
Unfortunately on of the guys involved lost his legs a few year's later train surfing. I think he may have been drunk and the guard opened the door at the back and the guy fell off onto the tracks and he was hit by another train.
What you wrote is very interesting. One of the big problems with lift and train surfing is that people go too far. That start of keeping things very safe and careful, then as they get more confident they push further and further until they are over confident and taking on far too much risk. If you take a look at what the Russian train surfers are doing, I am torn between saying this is a great level of freedom, and saying that they are taking it too far and need to stop pushing their luck. They keep going too close to the overhead cable. They surf between cars on the high speed train. They stand on the roof of trains and jump across to another train running along side on the other track. They play games of who can jump of the train at the fastest speed. And honestly, I do not know what the answer is to this, because at the same time I don't want society to just see the hobby as a terrible thing that nobody should do.
I too have an interesting hobby. I collect, restore, and test old air horns from retired locomotives, subway cars, etc. People always complain that I'm too loud and dangerous, which makes it a bad hobby apparently. I just wish people let us be and enjoy our passions.
You mentioned you have train surfing on another site, anyway of linking that site just intrigued in that one
Love your videos keep up the good work
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@@benolifts ah cheers will take a look
I think why people really hate on lift or train surfing compared to other way more dangerous hobby is that they want to use the infrastructure for themselves and since they dont know you, that is why they don't trust you in that know how to do it right. Talking about train surfing: If an operator in a signal box would see you surfing a bypassing train, he will quite literally hit the red button and all nearby timetables go to pot, all trains are stopped no matter if you perfectly know what you do or not. That will ruin the day of pretty much every passenger in the trains or at nearby stations. Obviously an an operator you might just say "Well, that is his own risk", like they did back in the 1990s even in Germany! I fear these times are over. There is a lot of social hate involved to this, whereever that came from. Skateboarding and doing tricks requires an amazing skillset to get it all done yet at many areas Skateboarders receive a lot of hate when they do it in public space rather than specific skateparks. Its mostly not because they fear a young kid putting its life at risk, but they fear that they do things that are considered socially unacceptable.
by the way, since everyones interest differ a bit, I dont surf lifts. Its something that I am not so much interested in honestly. Ive done it a few times, once even onboard of a marine lift while the boat was moving, but there is not much a thrill for me. What I am more interested in is in how a lift and a buildings architecture go well together - which they mostly don't if the lift gets replaced. Until I was about 10 years old, I got into very deep trouble for riding any lift and received harsh punishment for that! As it was considered to be a symptom of aspergers rather than an actual hobby, they considered it to be pathogenic and decided that fighting these "symptoms of that disease" is the right way to do it. It was nasty I can tell you.
Well said
Well said Ben, I completely agree with everything said because its true. People are like that with lift/train surfing because they think surfing anything is dangerous but look at rafting or boating, equally as dangerous due to the hazards involved.
Ben, I agree with you a personal example for me as my mom thinks it’s weird to hang out at the train station to watch the trains like come on I’m not doing anything dangerous.
Lift surfing is not necessarily something bad but like everything lift surfing has pros and cons :
The pros are :
It looks fun
You can appreciate the workings of a lift
The cons are :
It can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing
It can affect other people who needs to use the lift especially if there is no alternate lift
And this is what I've learnt from your video but I cant guarantee that my comment is without any mistake
And speaking about train surfing, it is punished by law in France : over here, train surfers risks 1 year of prison and €15,000 fine for doing that.
So I dont recommend you to do train surfing in France but you can do it anywhere else as long as you know the laws.
Also the internet is indeed very toxic for example my Scratch accounts got impersonated multiple times. And filming lifts in France is also very hard because the french average person will think that a regular lift filmer is an "immature idiot who plays with lifts" & the enthusiasts can be told off, yelled at or harrassed... They must understand what a lift enthusiast is instead of being nasty to them... I very rarely film lifts as I live in a super small scale place in the middle of nowhere, my school has 5 lifts bu they're all locked and I'm far too scared of asking permission to use and/or film them. If I sneak in one of them I can get in serious trouble aswell. But turns out my school is actually starting to become better since the admin finally improved my timetable but they took ages to do that (several weeks, maybe even a few months).
And I'm in STI2D which is a specialiazed class about technology, science, industry and sustainable development.
BTW I dont have any hate against lift surfing and train surfing since its related To my interests. And the teacher who is responsible of my class is
really good and perfectly knows my difficulties and is aware that I have Asperger's syndrome.
Lift surfing, and doing so safely just for the purposes of a hobby is one thing. But when you suddenly have reckless or mischievous individuals finding their ways into lift shafts and tampering not only with the controls on top of the car but potentially even the mechanical and safety bits... That's where things can get kind of iffy. I'm not saying that tampering is the norm but when it does happen it can have a dreadful effect on people who rely on the lift and can't use the stairs. I used to live in a 7 floor building that only had one lift - which was this frankenstein monstrocity built in the 80s and retrofitted with all sorts of hacky updates over the years. At one point someone in the building realized they could pop open the escape hatch on the top of the car which would trigger a safety and shut the whole thing down until a service person could reset it with a code in the mechanical room. They'd crawl up to the top of the car and get out on the nearest floor by bypassing the hall door safety. When maintenance finally sealed the hatch shut they started prying open the fire fighter's access panel and messing with that. All the while as a result almost every other day the lift was out of service and we had seniors and handicap people trapped in their apartments on the upper floors.
I am not sure if I should say this as I don't want to sound critical of others. There are some lift surfers that don't reset lifts that have to reset after surfing, such as Otis gen2s. Sometimes people can't be bothered to, and other times it is urbexers who use the lift surf as a means of getting to the roof, who are not interested in the lift itself and they are not bothered to learn how to reset the lift.
What happens when the lift is not reset?
@@FinLord333It would just shut down and go into an error mode. You'd hear a chirping coming from the motor room and the the floor indicator in the lobby would flash "E". It would also do the same thing if the door was held open for too long (which was a pain when people were moving). And if the power went out and came back on it would park the car on the first floor and flash that same "E" on the indicator until someone held door close and pressed a floor button. This is over in the states in Florida and it was a completely generic machine. The name plate in the car said "General Elevator" (I nicknamed it George) but over the years the maintenance man said it had been upgraded with parts from who knows what manufacturer.
Well said👏
how was the person you were interviewed in george king's illegal activities
I appreciate all your points and I believe pretty much everything you said. The only reason why I have any issue with Elevator/Lift Surfing is because it's illegal. I know in the UK where you are it's not illegal but over here in the US it is illegal. I have no issues with you or A few others in the Elevator community surfing. I only have issues with 1 person because he doesn't verify inspection and it feels like he's taking it as a joke. I can do my research and I won't get on top of anything that has software controlled safety. The only thing stopping me from riding on top of an elevator is the law. Turning off fans isn't illegal where I am, Building owners can tell me to leave but that's pretty much it, They could give me a trespass notice but that's all. The reason why US people don't post is because it's illegal in the USA.
PLEASE tell me that I'm not the one person that you have issues with elevator surfing...
It being illegal is just the government telling us that we can’t do our hobby. Which is even worse. Governments always do this, and they make us out like terrorists. Same with flying blind. I could fly my little plane with no license at all in the United States just fine, but I can’t do absolutely anything with it in Australia. Thank you government so much for attacking autistic peoples hobbies.
I spent my whole life being told that I can’t fly a plane because I am blind, even though I have always just wanted to do that. And that is my hobby. And I just constantly get attacked or put down because of it. And a couple of times I actually do manage to fly. I get called a criminal.
It’s only because of people like Ben that I’m still here and haven’t done something before now. People like Ben are the few people who give me Hope in society. And without Hope, I definitely would’ve ended my own life many years ago.
I have Asperger's Syndrome 😁
Interesting video, I am aware a lot of mainstream or socially accepted hobbies are either just as or more dangerous than the lift surfing ones. Even health and safety prevents me from accessing the wave machine plant machines in some pools. As for Abseiling, try asbeiling from Guy's Hospital's Tower, it was not easy until you nearly got to the bottom.
Don't need other people to dictate to you
at 3:57 you can see a comment on that post from Aaron Stone saying "Remember everyone, karma is a b**** he will get what he is asking for eventually" which is completely out of line and seems to imply he thinks or wants that guy lift surfing to get killed. This is completely unacceptable and revolting hateful behavior
I have done a reaction video to this video. My thoughts are as commentary on that video. It should be up at any moments now...
Regarding the elevator key thing: I know the UA-camr you mentioned, and I do like his videos, but he really has to mind his own business. If he feels that it is wrong to use elevator keys then he doesn’t have to do it, but he shouldn’t pressure some random kid into doing what he thinks is right. Also, it did not go unnoticed that you specifically did not call out the UA-camr. Props to you Beno, this video is really informative and important in my opinion. ✌️
If that is referring to that video I made. I made it years ago. It was not really intended for an adult audience more so the young kids that watch my videos. At this point I am not out to try to influence anyone except to say do what makes you happy and enjoy life. Not to mention the cringe factor of that video….
Oh hey man, great to see you here “in person”. It’s pretty cool for you to answer directly to my comment. As I said I’ve seen a lot of your videos but not the one shown here specifically,so I did not know how old it is. It’s great to see you admitting that this video wasn’t really meant for a broader, more adult audience and that there is a fine line between guiding and telling someone to do something and I get it. Older videos of younger selves with less knowledge are maybe a bad idea in the long run so I agree to your other comment that maybe the video should be unlisted/deleted. I really appreciate the personal growth you’ve just shown by responding to Benos Video & my comment. I’m still a fan of you and your videos! And no offense, yes, the cringe hurt a bit lol ;)
@@jemjon Absolutely needed to go. I rewatched it and it is embarrassing. I actually love watching people like ben and hope to meet him someday. I am glad that Ben made this video and am about half way thru it and agree with it 100 percent so far.
First here. I don't see lift surfing as any different from any other dangerous sports. If it is done by lift enthusiasts who know the workings of each kind of lift.
I would also lift surfing more often, but unfortunately it is usually too dangerous for me, not the liftsurfing alone but the risk of getting caught.
Unfortunately, just like in Germany, people in Austria are very attentive to what you do, and if you do anything in advance, the police are usually called immediately and you get realy big problems.
I recently visited an abandoned factory, unfortunately it didn't take long before someone observed me and immediately threatened me with the police, if I do that in the Czech Republic, no one cares if people see you.
If you film lifts in abandoned buildings, then there is an easy chance that you can get busted by someone. At normal residential buildings people usually ask you if you are searching something or where you belong. Sometimes on bigger towns (not just like Vienna) people even don’t care, they just do their own business. But if those buildings are extremely unsafe and you get busted, then you could get in trouble./Wenn man Aufzüge in verlassene Gebäuden filmt, gibt es eine leichte chance, von jemanden erwischt zu werden. Bei normale Wohnhäuser fragen Leute einfach ob du etwas suchst oder wo du hingehörst. Manchmal in größeren Städten (nicht so wie Wien) ist es Leuten sogar egal was man macht, die machen einfach nur ihre Sache. Aber wenn diese Gebäuden extrem unsicher sind und wenn man erwischt wird, kann es passieren, dass man Ärger kriegen kann.
@@Elevators_around_Europa ja das Stimmt👍, gerade in der Stadt kümmert es niemanden was man in Wohngebäuden macht. Aber gerade am Land von da wo ich bin sieht die Sache schonwieder ganz anders aus, da sind die Leute viel mistrauischer Fremden gegenüber da für normal in den kleineren Wohnhäusern jeder jeden kennt. Darum Filme ich auch hier nur dann wenn ich mir wirklich sicher bin das ich unbeobachtet bin und falls ich doch mal erwischt werde was zum Glück noch nicht oft pasiert ist dann braucht man schon im vorhinein eine gute Ausrede.
In Linz am Hafengelände wollte ich mal in einen Abbruchhaus kurz eine Inspektionsfahrt am Dach eines Aufzuges machen aber leider war der Aufzug schon Stromlos, aber es hat keine 10 Min gedauert bis der Sicherheitsdienst auf mich aufmerksam wurde (zum Glück war ich nicht mehr im Aufzugschacht). Desweiteren hatte ich Glück das der Sicherheitsdienst sehr sogar Freundlich war und ich gehen konnte. Habe überlegt ob ich das Video mal Hochlade aber ich habe mich entschieden es nicht zu machen, da ich auf meinen Kanal nichts Illegales Veröffentlichen möchte. Auch würde ich niemals bei Reguläre Aufzüge Schachtfahrten ohne Techniker machen.
Aber dennoch finde ich Videos von anderen wie sie liftsurfen sehr Interessant, solange man dadurch keinen anderen Gefährdet oder den Aufzug dadurch beschädigt finde ich das Ok.
@@Lifts_in_Austria Ja das stimmt👍 Lift surfen sieht noch trotzdem interessant aus, solange es nichts Schlimmes Passiert.
@@Lifts_in_Austria Da hast du Glück gehabt! Ich filme hier zur Sicherheit auch hier nur wenn ich sicher bin, dass nichts passieren kann.
Happy Fifteenth Anniversary to your UA-cam Channel, Beno!
Driving cars can not be compared to lift surfing.
Driving cars can be compared to operating a lift as a average joe. Average joes are present in both cases.
I remember when one surfer told me “BuT SuRfInG is WaY moRE safer than flying a plane”
This is not a apples to apples comparison and I don’t know how people fall for this.
I actually find driving a car is more dangerous than lift surfing. With lift surfing; you know the dangers to look out for and you are in control of your own safety. With driving, you are also reliant on other road users to keep you safe. You can never trust them.
@@LiftSurferRYEGI
That is only if you have knowledge you are safer :) we can’t assume anyone who is suddenly interested to open doors and surf has all the safety knowledge needed.
Obviously people who haven’t had training, or much experience aren’t safer in roads too. It applies all ways. Driving is something that intended for all types of people. Lift surfing in the other hand is concerned with a specific field.
I think that’s why the hobby thing and whatnot clashes. Rock climbing isn’t really a field. But lifts are. It was always that yellow vested job like most working with heavy machinery is. So when you do it without qualification the society sees down on it.
The kind of things hateful critics will do towards some hobbies strictly for fame or internet authority is honestly beyond me. Love your vids Ben, stay safe.
Watching this video, I noticed something. it seems that the "cool" hobbies and the "uncool" hobbies are separated by ownership?
-Driving cars recklessly, well, the car is owned by the driver (I would debate whether it's considered cool but they managed to make 10 of those fast and furious movies which are just cars doing ridiculously unlikely things, so the mainstream has mixed feelings on them)
-Sailing, the boat is either owned by its sailor (smaller lake boats) or by a club the sailor belongs to
-Rock-climbing, that occurs either on public nature reserve or in an indoor centre that gives you permission to climb
-Lift-surfing occurs on a lift that you don't own
-Train-surfing occurs on a train that you don't own
-Urbex occurs in places you haven't gotten permission to go into
My first thought on why people might make this designation (I like to think about why society groups things the way they do, why is X treated different from Y, etc.- I suppose it is, relevantly, a niche wierd hobby that helps me understand neurotypical society better) was:
"Perhaps the idea is that if you get injured or die the owner will be traumatised, and if you damage something you will cause inconvenience?"
But, that can't be it. The sailing club owner would be just as traumatised to see somebody they thought was ready get injured on their vessel than a train driver would be learning that a trainsurfer crushed their foot by standing somewhere they shouldn't. Arguably, because the sailing club owner put a great deal of thought into whether they are ready and had a connection with them, learning that they'd been hurt would be more traumatising than for the train driver learning of a stranger's injury (assuming similar injuries)
[NOTE: this isn't to dismiss the trauma of train drivers. But, the most traumatising thing that can happen to a train driver- hitting a person at a level crossing, being able to do nothing but slam the brake valve as they look you in the eyes- doesn't really have an equivalent in the other mentioned hobbies unless some very rare scenario like out of Final Destination happened. Though, I guess a rock climbing instructor watching somebody fall to the ground and being unable to help could be similar- but once again, that's considered a "cool" hobby despite the high dangers of using ropes and harnesses to suspend a person]
[a side note: when it takes 2 hours for a professional rigger to prepare for suspending a person half a metre above a cushioned surface for "special activities" but it takes a lot less time for a more daring rockclimber to find a suitable tree to tie their rope to- if they even bother with a harness at all- and people deem the former as "dangerous taboo" and the latter as "risky but they know what they're doing", that is ridiculous. I don't know much about either hobby but I think the safer one would be the one where the person is mostly stationary and tied off to a 500kg-rated frame, above a soft mattress, with ropes that don't spend all day rubbing against rocks... that isn't to say everybody would use good ropes and frame of course but I think the whole sorta point of that shit is trust right so it'd be dumb to halfass it?]
This is a long rambling comment, I am sorry for that. When I get passionate about talking about something I can't really trim any fat away. But if anybody sees this comment and has their own ideas on the WHY of why some hobbies are taboo and some aren't feel free to reply!
Because I can't think of why one is taboo and one isn't- hell, even writing the comment, my brain still tells me the hobbies discussed are taboo even though I cannot find the reason why: I presume that's just because I've been taught that it's the case?
27:48 you misinterpreted it wrong on purpose. No one can help you if you keep on doing this. That person never claimed all Adults just automatically knew everything from engineering books. Absolutely not. If an Adult does get himself to the situation of surfings, he should HOPEFULLY know the general risks of doing something he isn’t aware of.
To be fair, no, you give good points. Yes, young people CAN learn things at a early age, it’s wrong to just generalize all of them as “nah bruv you are young so you are dumb”
If you really allowed me, I’m a old viewer of your channel since 2015. My example is something which actually befits what that person has said. When I was young, I did not at all have any conscious of what I was doing, I was simply attracted because I loved moving machinery and a lot wires. I always was since I was young. But I’ve very loosely left the hobby and now I’m an adult. I accidentally figured out a way to open doors, but then realized how bad this could’ve happened if I did the same when I was young. Stuff like your basic logic and stuff also grows with age.
If you randomly put a 22 year old in a driver seat and he didn’t have training, versus a random 10 year old, who might safely be able to stop the vehicle?
Yet, there is a video from the States where a 7th grader was able to help his bus driver to stop the vehicle safely as he was fainting on the road.
Your point has value and is true to SOME extents. You are not looking it in all angles. The person who said that didn’t mention this either, he is looking at it at a certain degree, you are looking at it at a certain degree. Nobody is seeing all 4 sides here.
I feel that society nowadays is unable to contend with these sorts of more complicated issues. Everyone only wants to think of things in the most over simplified way possible. Finding the answers and solutions to such issues is not easy and it can not be something as simple as "Do not do it, it is bad", as this creates a situation where people will just go and do the said thing but without telling anyone. With what was said at 27:48, I don't feel that I misinterpreted it, there is more to this than what it may seem. People are not always entirely honest about their positions on things. I will have to be careful what I say here as I don't want to provoke an online drama war, which would only make things worse for everyone. All I will say is this... From certain things that he has said over the years (which I won't go in to), I feel that he is speaking from a position of hatred, of which he worded it in a way to make himself sound reasonable to cover up his actual feelings.
"If you randomly put a 22 year old in a driver seat and he didn’t have training, versus a random 10 year old, who might safely be able to stop the vehicle?"
With this, while from looking at a situation like this from the outside, it is easy (and true) to say that a 22 year old would more be more likely to than the 10 year old. However in practice things are never this simple. Peoples capabilities can vary widely. It never ceases to amaze me how inexpertly good or bad people's actual capabilities are. With the subject of lift surfing, there has been 13 year olds who have been fully capable of it, who had a full understanding of what they were doing. This is in contrast to the many 13 year olds who would not be capable of such activities.
Also at 15:00 I mention something (in text) that many people would feel is controversial, however I don't see that it necessarily should be. "I am an adult who got taught to ride freight trains by a child". In this situation I was new to riding freights. I did not feel that it would be safe to attempted it without knowing what I was doing. In the end the person who taught me to do it was young (around 13 or 14 years old). He had years of experience riding freights and was very capable. He had knowledge of how to do it safely and he passed that knowledge onto me.
Beno my Messias
as an autistic/neurodivergent, my hobby or "special Interest" is sirens, i own a few and i know the dangers of them/electric motors (loosing fingers to a rotor, electric shock, hearing loss, the lot!) and i too, am tired of hearing people telling me what i can or cannot do or "whats acceptable" so i just think, fuck them. i will never be normal and neither would i ever wish to be, i will always just be my authetic self, do what i wanna do and yeah!
*incident
24:46
hey austin this is guys
Those people who keep commenting stuff like "But you're not an lift/elevator technician!!! How dare you surf litfts/elevators?! Only highly trained technicians can do that!!!" sound exactly like the kind of people who would give away your hiding place to the SS if they were living in 1940's Germany.
*economy
17:37
I think your Discord community was an amazing place where you could openly discuss lift surfing etc. I don't understand why you got rid of it. Mabye you should start another community, as I feel it is really important to have a safe and open place to be able to discuss these types of hobbies.
I don't think it could function nowadays. Discord seems to bring out the worst in people. The group would get people who don't like lift surfing joining to cause problems, and they would be claiming something along the lines of how the hobby is dangerous and all the poor innocent children are in danger.
Honestly I do not know what the best thing to do. We need to get the new people who are surfing to come forward so we can give them safety advice and check on what they are up to, without it just creating more issues.
@@benolifts You had a verification system though. This could easily be used to filter out people who don't join in good faith or to contribute quality discussion.
Haters should be punished for putting people's lives at risk because there will be secret isolated surfers !!!! In other words : DO NOT HATE LIFT SURFING !!!!!
Merseybus
Lift surfing and train surfing are illegal and dangerous and well that just sounds even more fun personally😂
Lift surfing isn’t illegal as trespass is only a civil matter in the UK. Train surfing is a grey area as there is no specific law about it, but things such as railway trespass & some other railway byelaws could be used against train surfers
@@LiftSurferRYEGI ah okay i stand corrected i mean things are only illegal if caught anyway😉 and well a civil matter only counts again if you get caught