Confirmed info after the 1/24/2024 HD new model release: The engine guard tabs are for mounting auxiliary lights. CVO model with custom paint and a slew of parts from the P&A catalog. No midsize yet.
Hey Mike, thanks for the thoroughly informational videos! Somewhat off-topic, have you seen a CVO pan America on the floor yet by you? Or do you know when they are arriving there, or elsewhere? Harley has been silent on plant release and shipping..
I replaced my factory battery with another HD OEM after about a year and a half when it struggled to hold a charge. Have not had any issues with the second battery. Will likely switch to an Anti Gravity lithium if the second battery gives me issues. But so far so good.
Hughmac, I couldnt agree more. I have done many track days on various bikes. With practice anyone can quick shift without a device. Especially upshifting. But is it really necessary out in the everyday riding world. No it is not. The more we rely on the machine to perform our basic riding skills the lesser our skills will be. Makes no sense. Not to mention it takes away elements that are what the joy of riding motorcycles is about. Instead of spending more money of geegaws and gadgets save the money and go to a roadcourse and do some organized tracktime. A great safe way to get started is with California Superbike School. Dont let the name scare you. Everyone who rides should take their Level 1 course. It can and will someday save you.
I love mine for everyday riding. I respectfully and kindly disagree with your and the other two comments in agreement with you, (including Mike). It's smooth, fast and amazing. I've never had one before and it is a game changer for me. 2022 Pan Am Special
@@dougthewilder I’ve never used one, but I’ve heard others say the same thing (just in general, not specific to the Pan America), that once you try one you never want to go without.
Thanks for the information. I was hesitant to purchasing the Pan America, but with all of these updates the 24 is a game changer.. Not to mention the new BMW GS 1300 is over complicated and $30,000.
I'm an old Harley rider, had my first one in 1975. Persently street ride a FLHTK, I also trail ride a Kawasaki KLR 650. I was seriously looked into buying a Pan American. The only reason I did NOT buy a Pan American, and that was why I watched your video to see if HD would fix the major dumb ass design of the Pan American, and of course HD did NOT. That is, Having to Remove the Gas Tank to clean the Air Filter. Having to Remove the Gas Tank is just plain STUPID for a bike that's going to be riden on dust trails. Why would they put the air box on the right side like on every HD made in the last 100 years with a cover that snaps off, bolts off easily? Try removing that gas tank out on a dusty trail. Really F'ing dumb!
I guess you won't be buying ANY adventure touring bike (not that you ever would) since ALL of them require fuel tank removal to access the airbox/filter. Gee, guess you should have been an engineer. Better stick to your KLR thumper.
@@m.f.m.67 That's the most dumb ass reply I've ever read. That a look at the air filter access on the Aprilia Tuareg 660, or a KTM890, Husquvrna Norden 901, the new Honda Africa Twins. At 71 my 15 year old FLHTK and my 17 year old KLR650, both still run and look great, with the ridiculous prices, it seems kind of dumb to be buying a new bike nowadays anyway.
THIS is an really amazing video, thanks for all the details and the professional presentation! I have a 2022 version. Probably unfortunately bought this year. I had a lot of time and rode 10.000 miles within the last 10 weeks. The good thing, it still rides. The bad: I needed starter assistance 3 times, 3-4 times struggling hard to get it running. Very bad in some foreign country. Now It's at the 10.000 miles service. Mentioned the issues also at 5000 miles service. Not sure what the outcome will be. Your video helps a lot in what upgrades may be possible or not. Unfortunately the seller told me there are no major upgrade from 22 to 24 which are necessary for regular drivers. But it seems something is wrong.
Hello Mike, After watching your video on the 2024 PAS and some contemplation I have decided to trade my very reliable 2022 PAS in on a 2024 PAS in the spectacular green. My dealer also gave me the retail to retail trade in deal even though my 2022 had 24 k on it. I take delivery next Saturday the 20th of July. Cant wait. Nice to have the upgrades. Transferred the total VIP package over to the new bike. I had contemplated getting the Low Rider ST but after sitting on one and not veing anywhere as comfortable as the PA I went with the PA. I really love this bike. Now will see if I can put more miles on this one in less time.
Mike! You are the man. What a great break down. So happy to see they are continuine to improve on this bike. I love my 22'. Maybe by the time they come out with a full revision I'll be ready for an upgrate. Great stuff as always.
I demoed one at Sturgis this year. While it has plenty of power, the engine sounds like a threshing machine. Unbelievable ratty sounding engine at idle. I thought the BMW GS engine clattered, but this thing takes it to a whole new level! Now that Harley has annouced the Pan America production will move to Thailand, I've lost interest. Not about to pay top dollar for Asian labor rates.
I don't recall the costs off hand to upgrade to the 2024 battery, you need to replace several parts, I want to say it was perhaps in the $600 to $800 range plus the cost of the battery. I would not bother as a preventative measure but could be an option if you are having battery issues and want the stronger one.
Hi Mike... thanks much for sharing all the videos! really helpful!.. Writting you from Spain. I own a 2021 HD Panamerican Special (should say I am in love with this brand although my Panam has had all the issues you have mentioned in your videos (fuel pump, battery, electric system, back seat, clutch...) Just wanted to ask you if you have experienced in the 2021 model the clutch splitting from 6000 rpm when accelerating heavily... With 12000 miles they changed my clutch, as they said it was worn (probably because of this issue I burned the clutch earlier), but the new clutch they installed this week is doing the same thing: When accelerating heavily the clutch splits from 6000 rpm (no matter the driving mode I use, and no matter if I reduce the traction control on a customized driving mode)... I wonder if the clutch of this model 2021 is not the right one so I stop searching for the solution to the clutch splitting, because I am getting crazy... and I would have to drive more relaxed...... I don't know if you could reply here, if you do I would appreciate much... Thanks for everything!
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel Thanks much for the reply 🙌 Let’s see what HD dealer says and hope they fix it… otherwise I would have to go for the 2024 Panam 👍
Interestingly, my January 2022 had to have the starter clutch replaced. This year, June 2024, it is in the shop to have the alternator changed, it had a magnet come loose and was causing the engine to cut out, so they are replacing the alternator with the 2024 kit at a cost of $4,000AUD (Australia), they are not just fitting a replacement alternator from 2022, it is not available. Sounds like something they should be doing as a recall, not a fix.
Hi Mike, as a long time follower of your channel, I learn a great deal from your videos. I am a member of an old H-D club in the UK , the H-DRCGB established in 1949. A few of us are now riding PAS and they are very well suited to our roads, off road too, and in Europe. Interesting to see the upgrades to the 24 includes much that we would like to bolt on to earlier models. Can you tell us more about what we need to do.. a few upgrade vids perhaps. Many thanks for what you do... it keeps many of us on the road. :-)
Probably won’t see an upgrade video from me since the cost is not worth it in my opinion. The charging system updates require about a $1,000USD, the battery would require about $300USD to $400USD in parts if I recall. And that doesn’t include the battery. I’m not sure I’d go with a bigger battery without the upgraded charging components. However, I may consider putting the ‘23 model wind screen components on my bike. If I do I will certainly film it.
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel trading in the 21 for a 24 may be the alternative option, or just keep the 21 as it's been well looked after and doest really need any electrical upgrading I guess.
Criegmac. I put 24,000 miles on a 2022 PAS. Only issue was a noisy fuel pump which was replaced under warranty. That was it. This past July I traded up to a 2024. So far 3500 totally trouble free miles . FYI the fuel pump is a Bosch unit. Cant bash HD for that .
wow. when I had my fuel pump replaced, it took less than a week for the dealer to get it in, and I got the jiffy stand bracket right away as well. But I waited 3 months to get replacement floorboard inserts for my Road King this fall... go figure.
I agree this bike would have benefited from more extensive field testing before production. But who knows what all decisions went into it. The suits probably figured further delays would impact the bottom line.
Thank you for the very informative video. I’ve a 2023 PAS and the battery is not strong enough for the bike especially in cold conditions. To upgrade it and going by your comments I suspect it will be expensive to get this up to the standard it should have been from the start. Thanks again!
Thank you for the insight into the 2024 PAm. BTW, HD also improved the header pipe after the heat shields kept falling off due to poor welds. I've been waiting 2 months for a replacement header pipe (on backorder in Australia ) and so is the upgraded jiffy stand bracket.
@@williamrae9954I have a stick welder and could use say an E309 electrode for SS just to do this repair. I am going on a 4K km road trip next month and if HD don't come to the party in time I will weld it. But hey, I paid my good money and HD should be providing a good part, not a poorly welded header.
Just found out that the Top Case Mounting Bracket (53000800) will not fit all 2024 PAS's to mount a storage box. My bike was at dealer for install and they gave me the HD communication dated 6-26-2024. I called HD because on website it states "will fit my 2024 PAS." Small print below states 2021-2023. They stated that there may be 2024 Specials with it mounted, however, they may not cover with warranty if issue. Frustrating so went with Pazoma. I enjoy your channel.
I don’t think any manufacturer is without problems. No manufacturer has the dealer network in the US, like Harley. I have 6 choices in mid sized Cincinnati for service help. You won’t be disappointed once you make the move.
Hey Mike, I have a 2021 PAS and you had mentioned that Harley added a heat shield on the 22's and a heat deflector on the 23's. What are the part numbers and will they fit on my '21? Also, If I decide to install the Screaming eagle exhaust, will it also reduce heat? Thanks in advance.
The heat shields and deflectors both started in 23. I don’t know the part numbers off hand, but you can look them up at www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/c/motorcycle-service-parts I’m not sure if a different exhaust would do much for heat. To be honest, I don’t feel that much heat coming off mine so never really looked into heat reduction mods.
I thought it came with it on the special. I placed my order already the bike is in transit from Holland. I am 5' 11" do you think I should just forget the option because it may be more of a headache? Thanks
@@billyflanagan9657 the special comes standard with electronic suspension, but not adaptive ride height. At 5,11 it’s really going to depend if you want to be flat footed at a stop or if you are comfortable with just the balls of your feet on the ground.
Only the special edition and no more base model makes it obvious they are trying to get the BMW GS people to give the Pan America a whirl. Most of us younger adventure bike riders that are ready for a higher power bike can't afford the special edition Pan America. Makes me further believe all the talks of the small cc Pan America models was just corporate office bicker and the info leaks of the smaller cc engines were done on purpose to get the attention of younger adventure bike riders 🤔🤷🏼♂️
I agree, HD is definitely targeting the top price points of the market, which is consistent with their strategy across all their lines. The CEO has stated multiple times he'd prefer to sell less bikes at higher profit than more bikes with thinner margins. Whether this strategy works out long term as buyers looking for more affordable options go with other brands is yet to be seen. I see more brand loyalty with the European brands compared to the Japanese. You have your KTM folks that may move from a 890 to a 1290, Triumph folks that move from the mid size Tigers to the larger ones, etc.. but I'm not sure the same level of brand commitment exists on the Japanese side. Would someone with a T7 only consider a Super Teneree as they look for something bigger?
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel very great comment. I think the loyalty to certain brands like a T7 owner going to a super tenere is only so pronounced because of what Harley isn't doing. I remember the CEO saying those certain things as you mentioned and they are missing out on a huge market. Whether the higher ups realize this and make changes or not. In western Colorado here I know a lot of riders that would sell their current bike and get a 750 Pan America. Stay safe out there riders. Cheers to all 🍻
Another informative video from the best Pan America channel on you tube. So Mike, in your opinion is it worth it to trade up from a 21or 22 PA to the new 24?
Just for the updates? No. Now, let’s say you were having issues with your bike and you just wanted to trade in the hopes getting one not made on a Monday or something…. Or if you trade in for a new bike anyway every few years… Or if you happen get a REALLY good deal on the trade. But for me personally, I don’t trade or swap bikes often. It would take major updates, not just the incremental improvements we are seeing, to get me thinking about it.
according the the service bulletin, the updated charging system is across the entire Rev Max platform, including Sportster S and Nightster. Not sure on the battery change though.
Mine is awesome. I did find at lower RPM's, it is jumpy/clunky/noisy like my older Harleys. Try shifting at higher RPM's. I have found the higher RPM's the smoother and better the shifter performance is during up/down shifting.
Confirmed info after the 1/24/2024 HD new model release:
The engine guard tabs are for mounting auxiliary lights.
CVO model with custom paint and a slew of parts from the P&A catalog.
No midsize yet.
I just got a ‘24 PAS and I love it. I’m not sure about the difference but I love it
Mike I’m so glad you own a pan-am and enjoy making these videos. You’re the guy when it comes to pan am.
Good info Mike. Well done.
So nice harley updated some of the stuff that was sub standard.
Nice Vessel screwdriver. I love those Vessels.
Took me a sec to realize what you were talking about.. then I remembered 'oh yeah, I used it as a pointer!'
Hey Mike, thanks for the thoroughly informational videos! Somewhat off-topic, have you seen a CVO pan America on the floor yet by you? Or do you know when they are arriving there, or elsewhere? Harley has been silent on plant release and shipping..
I know one was delivered to my local dealer in York PA last week.
I have a 2021 special also. Did you ever change out your battery to something better than the Harley one ?
I replaced my factory battery with another HD OEM after about a year and a half when it struggled to hold a charge. Have not had any issues with the second battery. Will likely switch to an Anti Gravity lithium if the second battery gives me issues. But so far so good.
Shaft drive would have been a great update.Hello Moto Guzzi Stelvio.
“IF” we ever see shaft drive on this platform, I imagine it will be awhile as it would require a new engine case design.
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel
Sounds like we won't be seeing it then.
Being a HD, your lucky it's not a belt 😂
It's a shit quick shifter, and I don't see the point of a quick shifter, if it is not a track bike.
I’ve never tried one, and it’s not something that’s a must have for me at this point.
Hughmac,
I couldnt agree more.
I have done many track days on various bikes.
With practice anyone can quick shift without a device.
Especially upshifting.
But is it really necessary out in the everyday riding world.
No it is not.
The more we rely on the machine to perform our basic riding skills the lesser our skills will be.
Makes no sense.
Not to mention it takes away elements that are what the joy of riding motorcycles is about.
Instead of spending more money of geegaws and gadgets save the money and go to a roadcourse and do some organized
tracktime.
A great safe way to get started is with California Superbike School.
Dont let the name scare you.
Everyone who rides should take their Level 1 course.
It can and will someday save you.
I love mine for everyday riding. I respectfully and kindly disagree with your and the other two comments in agreement with you, (including Mike). It's smooth, fast and amazing. I've never had one before and it is a game changer for me. 2022 Pan Am Special
@@dougthewilder I’ve never used one, but I’ve heard others say the same thing (just in general, not specific to the Pan America), that once you try one you never want to go without.
If you want an American made Pan Am better get one quick, they will be made in Asia soon.
Mike you are the number one source of information for the Pan America.
Thank you so much.
Loyal subscriber
Paul W.
Here in Australia we have only had the special available since its first release
Interesting
Mike, very informative. Hope there will be a smaller capacity Pan Am and maybe we will finally see the bronx streetfighter.
Thanks for the information. I was hesitant to purchasing the Pan America, but with all of these updates the 24 is a game changer.. Not to mention the new BMW GS 1300 is over complicated and $30,000.
Excellent post. Thanks for the year-to-year details - greatly appreciated for my buying consideration.
I'm an old Harley rider, had my first one in 1975. Persently street ride a FLHTK, I also trail ride a Kawasaki KLR 650. I was seriously looked into buying a Pan American. The only reason I did NOT buy a Pan American, and that was why I watched your video to see if HD would fix the major dumb ass design of the Pan American, and of course HD did NOT. That is, Having to Remove the Gas Tank to clean the Air Filter. Having to Remove the Gas Tank is just plain STUPID for a bike that's going to be riden on dust trails. Why would they put the air box on the right side like on every HD made in the last 100 years with a cover that snaps off, bolts off easily? Try removing that gas tank out on a dusty trail. Really F'ing dumb!
Agreed, air filter maintenance is a pain compared to many other bikes.
I guess you won't be buying ANY adventure touring bike (not that you ever would) since ALL of them require fuel tank removal to access the airbox/filter. Gee, guess you should have been an engineer. Better stick to your KLR thumper.
@@m.f.m.67 That's the most dumb ass reply I've ever read. That a look at the air filter access on the Aprilia Tuareg 660, or a KTM890, Husquvrna Norden 901, the new Honda Africa Twins. At 71 my 15 year old FLHTK and my 17 year old KLR650, both still run and look great, with the ridiculous prices, it seems kind of dumb to be buying a new bike nowadays anyway.
THIS is an really amazing video, thanks for all the details and the professional presentation!
I have a 2022 version. Probably unfortunately bought this year.
I had a lot of time and rode 10.000 miles within the last 10 weeks. The good thing, it still rides.
The bad: I needed starter assistance 3 times, 3-4 times struggling hard to get it running. Very bad in some foreign country.
Now It's at the 10.000 miles service. Mentioned the issues also at 5000 miles service. Not sure what the outcome will be.
Your video helps a lot in what upgrades may be possible or not. Unfortunately the seller told me there are no major upgrade from 22 to 24 which are necessary for regular drivers. But it seems something is wrong.
Just installed the Quantum fuel pump. So far so good. Quiet. Smooth performance throughout the rev range. Time will tell…
let us know once you got about 10k miles done with the quantum! 🤙🏻
@@benjamin.f.b. Will do. I plan to update the description box on my video periodically
How did the Quantum fuel pump cost you and how long did it take you to get it?
@@dnewman3402 $80 for the Quantum fuel pump. Took just a few days. Another $30 for the HD filter/strainer.
Hello Mike,
After watching your video on the 2024 PAS and some contemplation I have decided to trade my very reliable 2022 PAS in on a 2024 PAS in the spectacular green.
My dealer also gave me the retail to retail trade in deal even though my 2022 had 24 k on it.
I take delivery next Saturday the 20th of July.
Cant wait.
Nice to have the upgrades.
Transferred the total VIP package over to the new bike.
I had contemplated getting the Low Rider ST but after sitting on one and not veing anywhere as comfortable as the PA I went with the PA.
I really love this bike.
Now will see if I can put more miles on this one in less time.
Mike! You are the man. What a great break down. So happy to see they are continuine to improve on this bike. I love my 22'. Maybe by the time they come out with a full revision I'll be ready for an upgrate. Great stuff as always.
Excellent info, thanks. I heard a CVO is in the works, guess we’ll find out 1/24.
I demoed one at Sturgis this year. While it has plenty of power, the engine sounds like a threshing machine. Unbelievable ratty sounding engine at idle. I thought the BMW GS engine clattered, but this thing takes it to a whole new level! Now that Harley has annouced the Pan America production will move to Thailand, I've lost interest. Not about to pay top dollar for Asian labor rates.
@@m.f.m.67 fair point, HD claims the move to Thailand is just for 2025, but curious to see if it does or does not come back to the US after that.
Appreciate your content! Excellent info!
Great video man, great information.
Hi Mike, Great vids with great info, thanks. Do you know the cost to upgrade the battery for a 22 Pan AM? Do you think it makes sense?
I don't recall the costs off hand to upgrade to the 2024 battery, you need to replace several parts, I want to say it was perhaps in the $600 to $800 range plus the cost of the battery.
I would not bother as a preventative measure but could be an option if you are having battery issues and want the stronger one.
Hi Mike... thanks much for sharing all the videos! really helpful!.. Writting you from Spain. I own a 2021 HD Panamerican Special (should say I am in love with this brand although my Panam has had all the issues you have mentioned in your videos (fuel pump, battery, electric system, back seat, clutch...) Just wanted to ask you if you have experienced in the 2021 model the clutch splitting from 6000 rpm when accelerating heavily... With 12000 miles they changed my clutch, as they said it was worn (probably because of this issue I burned the clutch earlier), but the new clutch they installed this week is doing the same thing: When accelerating heavily the clutch splits from 6000 rpm (no matter the driving mode I use, and no matter if I reduce the traction control on a customized driving mode)... I wonder if the clutch of this model 2021 is not the right one so I stop searching for the solution to the clutch splitting, because I am getting crazy... and I would have to drive more relaxed...... I don't know if you could reply here, if you do I would appreciate much... Thanks for everything!
Hmm, I’ve not had any clutch issues so far. Not sure what the problem could be. Hope you get it sorted.
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel Thanks much for the reply 🙌 Let’s see what HD dealer says and hope they fix it… otherwise I would have to go for the 2024 Panam 👍
Any tips on adjusting the wheel spokes?
covered that in my complete maintenance series
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I read it will be the CVO bike.
Their will be a CVO Pan Am.
Be interesting to see if the CVO will have meaningful upgrades or just paint and accessories.
What do you mean by mid-size?
The long rumored Rev Max 975 based one.
So what have we learned? The 2024 Pam America is still a fast, fun and UNRELIABLE motorcycle.
Interestingly, my January 2022 had to have the starter clutch replaced. This year, June 2024, it is in the shop to have the alternator changed, it had a magnet come loose and was causing the engine to cut out, so they are replacing the alternator with the 2024 kit at a cost of $4,000AUD (Australia), they are not just fitting a replacement alternator from 2022, it is not available. Sounds like something they should be doing as a recall, not a fix.
How much would the electrical update be?
If I recall correctly, it’s about $2,000 in parts.
Pan 975? Pan CVO? Inquiring minds want to know!
After I filmed this, I did see the information indicating a CVO Pan America is coming this year, but no details yet on what that will include.
did you figure out why they made the kick stand and center stand the way they Did yet ?
I have not.
Pan america CVO is coming.
Great video very informative
Great video
Hi Mike, as a long time follower of your channel, I learn a great deal from your videos. I am a member of an old H-D club in the UK , the H-DRCGB established in 1949. A few of us are now riding PAS and they are very well suited to our roads, off road too, and in Europe. Interesting to see the upgrades to the 24 includes much that we would like to bolt on to earlier models. Can you tell us more about what we need to do.. a few upgrade vids perhaps. Many thanks for what you do... it keeps many of us on the road. :-)
Probably won’t see an upgrade video from me since the cost is not worth it in my opinion.
The charging system updates require about a $1,000USD, the battery would require about $300USD to $400USD in parts if I recall. And that doesn’t include the battery. I’m not sure I’d go with a bigger battery without the upgraded charging components.
However, I may consider putting the ‘23 model wind screen components on my bike. If I do I will certainly film it.
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel trading in the 21 for a 24 may be the alternative option, or just keep the 21 as it's been well looked after and doest really need any electrical upgrading I guess.
Honest question, how reliable has the panamerica been since its release?
For me, I’ve had a couple issues that were resolved that I detailed in my 10k review video. I know others have had some horror stories.
Criegmac.
I put 24,000 miles on a 2022 PAS.
Only issue was a noisy fuel pump which was replaced under warranty.
That was it.
This past July I traded up to a 2024.
So far 3500 totally trouble free miles .
FYI the fuel pump is a Bosch unit.
Cant bash HD for that .
FYI, the bracket upgrade for the Jiffy stand is on 2 mo backorder and I just had to wait 3 weeks for my '22 to have a fuel pump replaced.
wow. when I had my fuel pump replaced, it took less than a week for the dealer to get it in, and I got the jiffy stand bracket right away as well.
But I waited 3 months to get replacement floorboard inserts for my Road King this fall... go figure.
What’s up with the fuel pumps failing?
@mojo4376 I was told they had a bad batch from the OEM and it only affects the '21 and early '22 manufactured bikes.
It's amazing that harley can't engineer a bike that's good from year one.
I agree this bike would have benefited from more extensive field testing before production. But who knows what all decisions went into it. The suits probably figured further delays would impact the bottom line.
As with all first year Bikes, the manufacturers always treat their customers as guinea pigs and beta testers for any new Models & Platforms. 🤦🏻👎
Thank you for the very informative video.
I’ve a 2023 PAS and the battery is not strong enough for the bike especially in cold conditions.
To upgrade it and going by your comments I suspect it will be expensive to get this up to the standard it should have been from the start.
Thanks again!
Probably better off getting an Anti Gravity lithium battery rather than retrofitting a Softail battery.
I think you’re right 👍thank you!
I think you’re right 👍thank you!
I think you’re right 👍thank you!
I think you’re right 👍thank you!
Thank you for the insight into the 2024 PAm. BTW, HD also improved the header pipe after the heat shields kept falling off due to poor welds. I've been waiting 2 months for a replacement header pipe (on backorder in Australia ) and so is the upgraded jiffy stand bracket.
yes, I believe the header pipe was updated late in 2021. I had that replaced on mine as well.
Hit it with a welder...no need to replace the whole thing...unless you're a Starbucks ADV rider...over the occasional kerb stone?
@@williamrae9954I have a stick welder and could use say an E309 electrode for SS just to do this repair. I am going on a 4K km road trip next month and if HD don't come to the party in time I will weld it. But hey, I paid my good money and HD should be providing a good part, not a poorly welded header.
great job mike,i here theres a cvo pan america coming out
Be interesting to see if it’s more than just paint and accessories.
Just found out that the Top Case Mounting Bracket (53000800) will not fit all 2024 PAS's to mount a storage box. My bike was at dealer for install and they gave me the HD communication dated 6-26-2024. I called HD because on website it states "will fit my 2024 PAS." Small print below states 2021-2023. They stated that there may be 2024 Specials with it mounted, however, they may not cover with warranty if issue. Frustrating so went with Pazoma. I enjoy your channel.
interesting, I wonder what changed to affect the fitment.
Finally a video I was waiting for. If they could make this bike reliable I would prob buy it, I like it more than competitors.
I don’t think any manufacturer is without problems. No manufacturer has the dealer network in the US, like Harley. I have 6 choices in mid sized Cincinnati for service help. You won’t be disappointed once you make the move.
@@ChristopherRuhminsI'm from eastern Europe my friend.. only one dealer 100km from me
same here
Hey Mike, I have a 2021 PAS and you had mentioned that Harley added a heat shield on the 22's and a heat deflector on the 23's. What are the part numbers and will they fit on my '21? Also, If I decide to install the Screaming eagle exhaust, will it also reduce heat? Thanks in advance.
The heat shields and deflectors both started in 23. I don’t know the part numbers off hand, but you can look them up at www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/c/motorcycle-service-parts
I’m not sure if a different exhaust would do much for heat. To be honest, I don’t feel that much heat coming off mine so never really looked into heat reduction mods.
Good info. !
Mike, do you know if any updates to the electrical system, including bigger battery, etc. are also in 2024 Nightster and Sportster?
They get the updated charging system, but looks like only the Pan America gets the bigger battery.
Good info
Is adaptive ride height standard on the 2024 special?
Only on standard on the CVO, an option on the Special.
I thought it came with it on the special. I placed my order already the bike is in transit from Holland.
I am 5' 11" do you think I should just forget the option because it may be more of a headache? Thanks
@@billyflanagan9657 the special comes standard with electronic suspension, but not adaptive ride height. At 5,11 it’s really going to depend if you want to be flat footed at a stop or if you are comfortable with just the balls of your feet on the ground.
@@billyflanagan9657 let me clarify, it’s not standard in the US market, I’m not sure if it’s different in Europe.
@MikesMotorbikeChannel ok thank you very much. Billy
Only the special edition and no more base model makes it obvious they are trying to get the BMW GS people to give the Pan America a whirl. Most of us younger adventure bike riders that are ready for a higher power bike can't afford the special edition Pan America. Makes me further believe all the talks of the small cc Pan America models was just corporate office bicker and the info leaks of the smaller cc engines were done on purpose to get the attention of younger adventure bike riders 🤔🤷🏼♂️
I agree, HD is definitely targeting the top price points of the market, which is consistent with their strategy across all their lines. The CEO has stated multiple times he'd prefer to sell less bikes at higher profit than more bikes with thinner margins.
Whether this strategy works out long term as buyers looking for more affordable options go with other brands is yet to be seen.
I see more brand loyalty with the European brands compared to the Japanese. You have your KTM folks that may move from a 890 to a 1290, Triumph folks that move from the mid size Tigers to the larger ones, etc.. but I'm not sure the same level of brand commitment exists on the Japanese side. Would someone with a T7 only consider a Super Teneree as they look for something bigger?
@@MikesMotorbikeChannel very great comment. I think the loyalty to certain brands like a T7 owner going to a super tenere is only so pronounced because of what Harley isn't doing. I remember the CEO saying those certain things as you mentioned and they are missing out on a huge market. Whether the higher ups realize this and make changes or not. In western Colorado here I know a lot of riders that would sell their current bike and get a 750 Pan America.
Stay safe out there riders. Cheers to all 🍻
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Another informative video from the best Pan America channel on you tube. So Mike, in your opinion is it worth it to trade up from a 21or 22 PA to the new 24?
Just for the updates? No.
Now, let’s say you were having issues with your bike and you just wanted to trade in the hopes getting one not made on a Monday or something…. Or if you trade in for a new bike anyway every few years… Or if you happen get a REALLY good deal on the trade.
But for me personally, I don’t trade or swap bikes often. It would take major updates, not just the incremental improvements we are seeing, to get me thinking about it.
Thanks, I value your opinion!@@MikesMotorbikeChannel
~How much $$$ ? ~~~.
Good info, any news on changes with the SporterS ,?? 🤔
according the the service bulletin, the updated charging system is across the entire Rev Max platform, including Sportster S and Nightster. Not sure on the battery change though.
'24 updates will include a larger, softail size battery and updated charging system.
Mike included that in the video, including the difference in cranking amps.
The quick shifter is the biggest piece of shit ever, I had it on mine and it's terrible. Waste of money
Never tried a quick shifter, but I’ve heard it’s one of those things that once you do it’s a must have.
I don’t have the quick shifter, but I have heard great things.
Mine is awesome. I did find at lower RPM's, it is jumpy/clunky/noisy like my older Harleys. Try shifting at higher RPM's. I have found the higher RPM's the smoother and better the shifter performance is during up/down shifting.
because pulling the clutch lever is too hard? lmao at society.