Great review! I've had my '21 PAS for almost 3 years now, and 38k miles later, probably the best bike I've owned, and I've owned a lot. Absolutely love it!
I rode it for 6 months before realising we were setting off on rides with the wrong setting, as soon as the penny dropped, it was sooo much better again!
Great to watch a positive video about the pan america. Best bike I've ever owned. For a bit of fun on the roads I made my own riding mode. Copy sport, throttle response on max, engine breaking on max and suspension setting on road mode which I think is the comfortable setting. For the twisties I do everything the same but suspension set up on sport. Its really fun. I've only done bumpy tracks but I'd like to attempt more off road riding, I live in Spain and hope to ride to Morocco and reach the Sahara, have a little play about in the sand with the pan america and head back home. Thanks for the video
Thats so awesome that mapping mode sounds like what I need to do! I will program the same into mode B, cheers for the tip! You must have some great places to ride, I visited Sierra Nevada in 2000 for the MTB World Champs, then a day in Malaga, loved Spain and its people.
I have the exact same custom map made on my pan! Love it! Since my brother lives in spain I hope to ride to your country this or next year from Belgium! Ride on!
2023 model has made quite a few improvements - and reliability is steadily improving (wind shield holder, heat shield, cable route etc). I'm hoping that 2024 model is better. HOWEVER - kick stand NEEDS WORK! And TFT screen needs bigger font!
I am seeing 21 Pan Am’s coming up for sale at $12,000. It is tempting because they feel almost every single one of the checks on my list but honestly they’re a liability issues are just a dealbreaker. If I wanted to buy another bike, that would leave me stranded and require a 300 mile tow followed by a two week wait for the repair under warranty. I’d buy another BMW R1200 GS.
I think all the modern bikes with electronics have issues, you always just hear all the bad news and people like to rubbish a brand that is different. I love mine, I ride it hard, it goes great and I havent had any issues that HD have not taken care of for free. But you just gotta go with what you feel is right for you.
Great video! I appreciate the information and love all your modifications especially the adjustable folding(spring loaded) foot shifter. All the rock guards as well. Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to future posts. From Canada 🇨🇦
I lost that same shifter bolt riding out sport riding. Thats a great tip to adjust the sag. I had no idea thats how it workd. Still not alot of infomation on all the in's and out, so I really appreciate the wya you and the community is sharing. I eneded up doing less offroad then I did with other bikes, and this is an amazing street maching. Love watching you're adventures. Happy New Year and Ride Safe.
Glad it helped, yep only figured that out a few weeks ago! Made a big difference when 2 up. My videos are creating good conversation about the PA which is awesome! Cheers.
Really glad to see positive reviews! I love the Bike, never regretted buying it! Now I should teach myself to ride it offroad more :) Love your videos! Keep up the good work! greetings from Belgium
Cheers I am always happy when viewers say they enjoy my vids! Thats awesome you are in Belgium watching my very Aussie videos! Yes unfortunately there are a lot of negative comments floating around on the internet about the Pan Am, but I think those people will complain about any bike, I love my Pan Am, and I enjoy sharing the passion. Welcome to my channel, theres a few videos up I have on my channel that will help with getting your wheels dirty, Have fun!
All right now. You've got my attention. I'm absolutely looking at the V strom 800. I love that yellow bike. But now. I've subscribed. Nice video. Thanks. The fender extensions the racks, frame upgrades, heat protection, shifter, electronics, So cool. Wow. Thanks for this.
Agree with everything you said. I love my Pan America, the power is amazing. The adjustability through the different ride modes and the custom moves gives you so much more flexibility and adaptability to the way you want to ride. Haven't gotten it off road yet, looking forward to that in the Spring/Summer. Cheers mate!
Great review Mal! Got mine as soon as they were released and it’s been flawless! I love it! Never out of sports mode. Complete exhilaration! Writing this from Warrnambool after a 2 day ride, haven’t been off it since I arrived and can’t wait it to get back on it for the ride home! Never have regretted buying it, but quickly tempered that sense of loss of not having the cruiser and bought a BMW R18B Bagger! Completely different bike of course, but I love what both companies have done with these incumbents into traditional markets!
Ah that's awesome thanks for the great comment! Yeah I'd love to add a big fat cruiser to the shed! New house build this year but it will be on the list! All the best!
37,000 kms on my 21. Heaps of problems until replaced starter clutch under warranty (as were 2 exhaust headers). Had to replace clutch plates recently. Love the suspension and power in sport mode. Rode around Australia
Wow that is awesome1 I forgot to mention HD are replacing the starter clutch next week, has never caused an issue just makes the weird noise every now and again. I was talking to Ferg at Gasoline Alley about letting this bike run up in the km's so we can show how good, or bad they are! My clutch is a bit grabby on first take off, so I slip it a few times while stationary to get some oil between the plates.
Great content. The Harley Davidson Pan Am is a great bike. I took mine out this afternoon in the freezing cold just because I had to get a ride in. It wasn’t far but it got my blood going a little bit. Your content and advice is appreciated.
Thats awesome! Yep sometimes a 10 minute hit out to around town is all I need! Enjoy the bike, I will try to punch out some good vids this year, thanks for tuning in!
So glad I stumbled on to your vid…I’ve been on the fence w the Pan due to starting issues., amongst others. Did you have any where the bike just wouldn’t start at all? If so, did they resolve it..thanks and outstanding review and info!
I ran the battery flat and it wouldn't start once, but never had any issues with the bike not starting. I have had some fun on this bike! Once I fitted a slightly stronger battery, and HD replaced the starter clutch under warranty, it made a bit of noise, the bike has been awesome. Good luck if you get one they are such a badass motorcycle!
Great Vid Mal, very detailed. I’m having a blast on my Pan Am, coming from a Street Glide. I wasn’t sure if I made the right choice but now that I’ve owned it for a while, she’s just heaps of fun😎🇳🇿
It really is the bike to do everything on! I would love a Street Glide or similiar as a toy, I am going to borrow one for a few days from Gasoline Alley and shoot a 2 day vid travelling out west, as soon as this summer heat is gone I will go do it. Enjoy the PA mate thanks for the comment.
A great review by an owner, and what it was like to actually live with the bike. I didn’t see you mention engine heat on the bike? Part of the reason I ended up with BMW GSA, a non issue for me with the boxer, as dealt with Harley’s and right side engine heat - I always fought on my Road Glides. But to each his own…really want the PanAm to succeed and continue to improve. Next time around will for sure compare again, as had HDs for a long time. Be nice to be able to pu another one. And trust it. Continued good luck with yours!
I didnt mention it as I have never been effected by it, however, when I rode the Harley Classic in Bali, holy crap that thing thre out some heat! I have never really noticed any heat that has bothered me off the PA, I guess maybe because I rode 450 mx bikes, which get real hot, the big bike doesn't bother me. I have heard guys complain about heat near their ankle on the PA, even after losing the heat shield never noticed. Oh I did burn a boot when I sat my feet up on the crash bars on a long ride and it slipped down onto the header!
@@oldmanspeedadventures my budget allows me to go for a KTM 1290 at this stage, so have really enjoyed your previous vids as well. I’m 6 foot 4 and just found I feel super comfortable with the bike. What’s the chances Reece trades the sportster for Harley Pan soon…..😜 See ya round mate.
I've been riding my PA for over a year now. Been up to the Cape and back from Gold Coast. Been on quite a few bikes but it's the PA that I'm in love with! Never had a single issue until now and have 15000,km's on the bike already. Definitely a keeper!!!
I owned one for about 3 months. I loved it! I wish I could have kept it. The Pan America was going to be my secondary bike to ride alone and going places I wouldn’t go on my Ultra Limited. Unfortunately, a financial setback (home repairs came up suddenly) caused me to need to sale the bike. If I can ever get back to where I was financially before I will own another. I won’t sale my Ultra Limited. That’s the bike I use for touring the country with my wife, 2-up.
Bummer you had to sell, but life throws crap at you from time to time, I'm sure there is one on the shopping list in the future! Wifey loves the 2 up days when we get out, cheers!
Good review! I am very stoked about my 2023 RA1250S ; fabulous bike, Harley-Davidson has hit it out of the park with this one... um, yes, a baseball reference. marcus
Great positive review from an owner with his own money in the game. Never ridden the new bikes, but, have ridden the old Harley dirt bikes of many years ago.
I had a KLR650 for 10 years and ran a 18x2.5 on the front. The bike felt like a 250, but did I get criticism! I agree with your comments on wheel size. I ran the 18 only because of tyre selection, but now would choose the 19x2.5. Top review. Thanks for posting.
Yes agree and you just have to ignore the voices to a degree! I think the 21 is great for what its designed for, mx and enduro, its no good on the road. Thanks for the comment!
Thankyou, I have heard of some cold start issues with batteries, I forgot to mention I had a battery failure at about 10,000km, I replaced it with a stronger cranking unit, no issues for me but maybe do some research. All the best! I bet its cold there right now! All the best!
@oldmanspeedadventures great to hear! It would eventually fail, but takes a while, the noise is a nuisance though. Keep up the videos. I'm enjoying my PA.
Possibly yeah I also think Triumph are doing it on the big bike, perhaps we can thank Citroen from the 70's! Hope all is well Arch, hey your bike park area at home seems quite large, no helmet needed, no low hanging cupboards!
All is well Mal mate 🙏 the parking is a shared parking with about 40 other bikies and about a 15 minute walk from my little apartment #bumpedmyheadagain 😂😂
I’m sooo confused, looking at one of these or the Low Rider S. Totally different I know but originally looked at a GS1250. Just picked up a Nightster Special for my wife, both of us love it. Not interested in going off road so would be solely local and highways. Harley bikes are sooo good. Thank you for your vid mate.
Had a 21 lrs 114..only issue I had w it was it came w a short mono shock but now the 24’s come w the heritage shock which is much better on the back…I’d still go w the Pan though
Kia Ora Mal spot on with your review I’m waiting on a 2024 PanAmerica should be here end of the month Will be my third PanAmerica and one of five Harley’s I own By far my favourite of all,Power handling and the ride is 💯 The 2023 failed at 3000km dropped a valve and same as you I have a great dealer gave me a demo and ordered me the 2024 at no charge Here in Northern Ontario Canada service and network of dealers across the country keeps me loyal Thanks for sharing great to hear your review 🇨🇦🇳🇿🇦🇺✊🏾🤙🏾
Thats a bummer about the failure, but sh!t happens with any bike from time to time. Its great they have looked after you. Mate I bet you have some awesome ride places both in Canada and home in NZ, all the best.
Oh definitely on the introduction of anything new shit definitely happens Living full time in Canada and yes the riding is spectacular Just new to the adventure market hope to get some videos up this year of some rides Cheers mate ✊🏾
Now own a PA and a GS - after riding both in varied conditions my go to is the PA. Don't get me wrong, the GS is a great ride but I find the PA inspires more confidence (especially off road) and is an amazingly fun ride to boot.
thats awesome you get to ride one against the other, its the rawness and bruteness of the PA I really enjoy, its a muscle bike of the adventure bike world! Enjoy the ride!
The bike has crazy power in sport. I wish the bike felt more polished and reliable. I totally agree about the sag feature. It is a game changer for adventure bikes. Hopefully harley will allow custom adjustments to everything through the interface similar to your custom offroad mode. I havent spent enough time with one to know.
Had a 21 PA. Loved the ride. Unfortunately, the dealer I purchased it from dropped it the day I bought it, then ripped the locking cylinders out of the sport cases. The next dealer couldnt get the parts for a very long time and then didn't install them correctly and they didn't work. The fuel pump went out at 6k. Dealer 2 sat on their hands and didnt order it for 2 months. Finally, I refused to leave until they purchased one from a dealer the next state over. Meanwhile, my PA wouldn't start due to another issue- battery related. I was told a software update would fix it but dealer 2 gave me aches and pains to get that done. I finally switched to dealer 3 and they updated the software, fixed a bad connectir causing some of the starting issues. I personally put a lithium ion battery in which solved my starting issues. Then the bike began to overheat and stall while going 65mph in 50 degree Fahrenheit. Went back and for with dealer 3 who really tried hard to fix it. Then the chain and guides began to wear extra quickly and i needed new tires. Dealer 3 took care of me but I had to return multiple times for the stalling issues and the new chain kept loosening after 50 miles. Eventually, i gave up, sold the bike to dealer 3 and bought a Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. I've put 15k miles on it in 7 months with zero issues. The mothership did nothing other than point me to the dealer throughout the process. Never again. Really wish it wasnt the case bc the Pan Am really was the best ride when it was working. Guess I've turned redcoat due to all the issues🤷♂️
holy cow that bike certainly was a dud! That is such a shame you never got to enjoy the bike for what it should deliver, bummed for you and having to deal with all that headache! Tigers are a great bike, would be high on my list if replacing.
Interesting comments. I've had my Pan Am since March 2023, only done 9,500km, mostly sealed roads, and I've done similar mods. I'm happy with the bike and have only had minor problems. I tried the fork lift, it does make dirt riding better, but I found it makes the front not feel as precise when on mountain roads, so for that I lift the forks up. I really like the modes. I use Sports power on them all, and max engine breaking (there are 5 settings), throttle on base response, then I vary the suspension, ABS and TC, with A as Sports, B as Balanced, and the Dirt one as a soft dirt suspension. I would like to change the exhaust, but the Dealer keeps telling me the warrantee would be void, I keep thinking "Do you expect something to go wrong?"
Nice, thanks for the great feedback! Great bikes, I will do some more vids soon, I'll go shoot some off road stuff and rider tips. Yes the front end helps with stability off road, especially dirt roads over 60mph /100kmhr. I got used to a bit more input on the bitumen with the fork position. I'm doing a track day soon with slicks! That will be fun, and of course a good video topic!
@@oldmanspeedadventures I checked out getting on the bike before turning it on, to get it to settle, and you know, it makes it ride so much better. Before I was getting on after starting and it must have been dropping the back a bit more than the normal sag amount, because starting it after made it steer quicker. I'm 125kg with gear on, would have been increasing the rake on the front. Will be interesting to see how you go on the track day, I think the bike is fantastic with the sports suspension setting and in the mountains, haven't done a track day yet, but I would like to. I use to do classic racing for a while, and my riding back ground is definitely more sports than touring or dirt.
100% best bike. Just did a camping trip 2500km in Kosciusko NP with the wife on the back, bike handling is superior on and off the black stuff. Bike in getting its 8000k service and main wire harness replaced now.
@@oldmanspeedadventures The bike wouldn’t take the software update last year so it was diagnosed as faulty. Apparently pretty common in the 2021 models
Mal did you see there’s a Pan America racing the Africa Eco Race Monaco to Dakar at the moment. Don’t know how it’s doing but the same rider finished the 1000 Dunas Rally in Spain this year on a stock Pan America. Only set up change was putting off road tires on it
@@oldmanspeedadventures Mal, They did not touch the suspension. The only changes were tires, moving the display up a couple inches for the GPS race system, and a spare fuel tank that fits in place of the rear seat pad. Nothing else was changed! Insanely good rider.
Continental TKC80. Yep the skid plate has been hit a few times, it does its intended job, bolts under the motor in 4 spots then 2 spots on the front, so 6 mounting points should do, and seems to distribute the load of any hits.
While the engine is great, I had numerous electrical problems-no start issues, front ABS problem where the front wheel would lock up and a fuel pump which imploded at 15,000 miles. I traded it for a Street Bob which is a basic bike without all the electrical problems. I hope that Harley Davidson can ultimately fix all of bugs with this engine and its electronics.
In my opinion as an A class MXer. Riding dirt for over 40 years, street 20 years. Ride all my bikes 16k plus miles a year. Owned the Africa, Tenere 7, multiple Katooms both 4 and 2 stroke believe from experience the 19" wheel is better for heavier bikes 530lbs plus. The 21" wheel is way better overall in the sand especially at higher speeds of 40 plus mph. I personally don't like to feel my front tire floating, I want it to feel planted
I didn't like the imbalance of tyre width. Referring mainly to road use. Bike was fine in the desert sand sitting on 70mph. As long as we are having a good time roll on!
I have a 22’ with 17,500ish miles! I’ve had a few glitches that were solved and a couple fuel that failed!! It’s still the best bike I’ve ever owned! It’s a new platform so you have to go in with that mind set that there will be issues and problems! All newer bikes have issues BMW,Triumph have software issues, engine failure, driveshaft snapping! I chose HD for the dealership access because theirs a dealership every you look (USA) I had a bmw R18 and bmw didn’t even sell a repair manual for it! $1200 for a 6,000 mile service where it was a 2-3 month wait to get the service! ! No thanks !
agree 100% all bikes have the issues, unfortunately you only hear the bad stories. Great motorcycle, creates a conversation wherever you go, the pure muscle bike of the adv world! Ride on!
I owned one for two years. Tried to like it, learned to hate it. The biggest problem was the dreaded starter clutch which left me stranded far from home a few times. My enthusiasm never recovered from that. I couldn't scrape it off my shoe fast enough.
Yes, the starter clutch was eventually fixed after a long odyssey that began at the original clownish dealership and ended a year and a half later at a much better dealership in Rahway, NJ. Goes to show how a dealership run by buffoons can really drive away customers and sour the experience. On the bright side, I found a superior service department and a '23 Low Rider ST @@oldmanspeedadventures
@@larryboody6737 I think your right it's the dealership I'm so lucky I have a good one to take care of me, if I was stuffed around I'd be feeling the same way I'm sure
I will be doing a tyre review on these next week, yes they are shot, I did the Redemption Ride video to the desert, 4500km trip, raced a speedway event on them as well! So yes as seen on the bike I got 7000km plus out of them, still a way to go to the tyre indicators, next tyre Im going for the Dunlop TrailMax Raid.
What's it weigh like 1000 lbs?my dr 650 will ride circles around it in the woods, my fjr will ride circles around it on the highway,if I'm going off somewhere to ride both highways and trails the toy hauler works wonders!
@billbonu1639 You're comparing apples with oranges. Of course 2 very specific types of bike will be better at what they are designed for than one multi purpose bike. There are bikes that will ride circles around both your DR650 and FJR. But that's not the point of a large adventure touring bike or the video
@@oldmanspeedadventures 👍 I wish the MOCO all the best. I still have an Ultra Classic with all of my ADV and dual sport bikes, with no plans to ever get rid of it.
Battery did die I forgot to mention this, but it died at about 12,000km and I replaced it, no issues since. I put a bit stronger battery in, non lithium.
Hey man! I currently own a 2023 Sportster S and I’ve been looking into trading her to the Pan Am Special. I’m 28 yrs old and I used to do mountain biking but due to life and school i put that on hold. I’m a lot more free now and wanted to get opinions on if this is a good move. I love the Sportster S but I also miss the dirt road and camping man
You should be able to test ride one, you wont regret it! If your in SEQ Gasoline Alley are more than happy to roll out the demo bike for a test ride. Seriously you will love chasing dirt roads, mtb on steroids! Let me know what you decide on!
theres a few getting around now with higher kms on them, yeah lets see over time how they stand up, I will run the km up on mine for sure to see how they go.
Out of all the tyres I have tried the Continental have been awesome on the road, no noise or vibration, unlike some other big branded tyres. I am going to try the Dunlop Trailmax Raid next I think. In regards to handling I dont push it real hard on the road, but my mate Ferg fron Gasoline Alley is a road guy, he has told me how hard he can push these tyres!
Harley had a ride day a couple years ago at the annual ADV rally Julian california. Harley brought like 20 bikes and I did ride one. I did NOT like it. I felt bad about dropping it and it was a bitch to get back up lol. but when I got back I noticed literally EVERY bike had LOTS of evidence of being dropped lol....ALL of em! So I mean it is no dirt bike IMHO and on the highway? The bike just did not feel good to me at all....and it did not seem like it has 150hp but I recon it is all at the top. Bottom line? NOT for me PERIOD
My 21 has been horrible and has totally blown any faith in reliability. I ride alone in the forest to avoid traffic, am I going to make it back home? I have been Stranded, trailered, the 😊Stator quit at 6500 miles. I wish someone would steal it 🤮
thats such bad news, there have been a few with glitches, I mean mine had that inlet manifold fault, HD fixed that, its in the shop now getting the new pipe and a new starter clutch courtesy of HD, fingers crossed it keeps going strong. The redemption ride I filmed I was a bit nervous as well being a long way from home, and if I would have any issues.
@@oldmanspeedadventures Exactly, and all my repairs have been under warranty too. I have an extended warranty until May 27, but that doesn’t mean I have confidence in the bike.
Anyone buying this Bike/Motor/Platform when it first came out was used as a Beta-Test guinea pig. Ridiculous how bad this Platform was especially with a company like H-D Its 2024 have the new models finally got rid of all these Gremlins 🤷🏻♂️😩‼️
No i would not, Harley came in late in ADV market. When everyone else understood medium sized ADV bikes was becoming The new big sellers. Harley went into The heavy segment which is on a decreasing sales slope. Way to go, into an overcrowded market which has declining sales. The big thing amongst Young riders is naked sporty bikes, HD dont want new and young customers so they went to The other old man bike The big Adventure bike. The big thing last year was sport tourers Harley could pulled that off because that sell to grown up not yet old, but again no. They want old guys, which is why they come up with The big ADV bike, and this year big News for The future is a face lift Street Glide, face lift road glide and a CVO Pan American. Zzzzzzzzzz So no i would not buy one, i would If i wanted an old man Adventure bike buy a BMW or KTM as they are in demand second hand as well. And looking at HD customers and where they aim The market The Brand is gone in 10 years as The buyers die off.
Fair enough I agree with most of this for sure, it just depends on what your into. I have my mx bikes, my main passion, so for me I dig the challenge of the big bikes, for me. Had the 1290 wasn't really that into it, this bike excites me. All good mate appreciate your input! As long as we are all out there riding and doing our own thing in our own way, that's what's awesome! Cheers, ride on!
I do like it from another manufacturer, say Husqvarna or Bultaco, but not Harley I mean next thing you know there into electronic bikes and now someone has to cover there losses with $60,000.00 baggers
@@tomkarnes69 agree way too much tech, I'd prefer less electronic intervention, all the manufacturers are battling with tech improvements, hopefully one day common sense will prevail ! Cheers thanks for chiming in
Bad time for the entire motorcycle industry. Prices are ridiculous, I just sold a 1 year old 450kxf for 6k with 22 hours on it, that's a 14k motorcycle new. The industry is bleeding, regardless of brand, I'm sure there's some cheap ktms, BMW's etc etc.
Great review! I've had my '21 PAS for almost 3 years now, and 38k miles later, probably the best bike I've owned, and I've owned a lot. Absolutely love it!
Couldn't agree more! 38000km nice, I will run mine high up into the ks as well I reckon
Mal, thanks for the ‘sag’ tip - love the no bullshit commentary. Alan
I rode it for 6 months before realising we were setting off on rides with the wrong setting, as soon as the penny dropped, it was sooo much better again!
PanAmerica is a Masterpiece .
I love how some hate it! Yeah it's an awesome motorcycle!
Good review. I absolutely love my ‘22. You’re spot on, so much fun on and off road. So capable.
Pretty much sums it up! Like comparing a GT Mustang to a Range Rover, give me the Mustang!
Great to watch a positive video about the pan america. Best bike I've ever owned. For a bit of fun on the roads I made my own riding mode. Copy sport, throttle response on max, engine breaking on max and suspension setting on road mode which I think is the comfortable setting. For the twisties I do everything the same but suspension set up on sport. Its really fun. I've only done bumpy tracks but I'd like to attempt more off road riding, I live in Spain and hope to ride to Morocco and reach the Sahara, have a little play about in the sand with the pan america and head back home. Thanks for the video
Thats so awesome that mapping mode sounds like what I need to do! I will program the same into mode B, cheers for the tip! You must have some great places to ride, I visited Sierra Nevada in 2000 for the MTB World Champs, then a day in Malaga, loved Spain and its people.
I have the exact same custom map made on my pan! Love it! Since my brother lives in spain I hope to ride to your country this or next year from Belgium! Ride on!
@thorstren I'm in the Tarragona region and if you're passing and want to ride some great places let me know
Always love an honest review. Keep it up Mal.
2023 model has made quite a few improvements - and reliability is steadily improving (wind shield holder, heat shield, cable route etc). I'm hoping that 2024 model is better. HOWEVER - kick stand NEEDS WORK! And TFT screen needs bigger font!
Yes agree on the last 2 100%!
I hear a rumour they will be bringing out a mid-size version of this bike soon, sounds right up my alley.
oh wow that would be a real hit!
Thanks Mal, excellent review, love watching your videos and please keep them coming !
Cheers thanks for watching, I have some good things planned for 24!
I am seeing 21 Pan Am’s coming up for sale at $12,000. It is tempting because they feel almost every single one of the checks on my list but honestly they’re a liability issues are just a dealbreaker. If I wanted to buy another bike, that would leave me stranded and require a 300 mile tow followed by a two week wait for the repair under warranty. I’d buy another BMW R1200 GS.
I think all the modern bikes with electronics have issues, you always just hear all the bad news and people like to rubbish a brand that is different. I love mine, I ride it hard, it goes great and I havent had any issues that HD have not taken care of for free. But you just gotta go with what you feel is right for you.
Great video! I appreciate the information and love all your modifications especially the adjustable folding(spring loaded) foot shifter. All the rock guards as well. Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to future posts. From Canada 🇨🇦
Welcome aboard mate glad you enjoy the vid. More coming been a bit slack lately. All the best
Great information. Thank you from California.
Your welcome mate
I lost that same shifter bolt riding out sport riding. Thats a great tip to adjust the sag. I had no idea thats how it workd. Still not alot of infomation on all the in's and out, so I really appreciate the wya you and the community is sharing. I eneded up doing less offroad then I did with other bikes, and this is an amazing street maching. Love watching you're adventures. Happy New Year and Ride Safe.
Glad it helped, yep only figured that out a few weeks ago! Made a big difference when 2 up. My videos are creating good conversation about the PA which is awesome! Cheers.
Thanks for the honest review Mal.
Your welcome Clive!
Really glad to see positive reviews! I love the Bike, never regretted buying it! Now I should teach myself to ride it offroad more :)
Love your videos! Keep up the good work! greetings from Belgium
Cheers I am always happy when viewers say they enjoy my vids! Thats awesome you are in Belgium watching my very Aussie videos! Yes unfortunately there are a lot of negative comments floating around on the internet about the Pan Am, but I think those people will complain about any bike, I love my Pan Am, and I enjoy sharing the passion. Welcome to my channel, theres a few videos up I have on my channel that will help with getting your wheels dirty, Have fun!
All right now. You've got my attention. I'm absolutely looking at the V strom 800. I love that yellow bike. But now. I've subscribed. Nice video. Thanks. The fender extensions the racks, frame upgrades, heat protection, shifter, electronics, So cool. Wow. Thanks for this.
No worries, yeah the vstrom, a Tiger 900, but the vstrom seams good value. But for now the Sherman tank will do me!
Like you, I really like my PAm, certainly is an exciting bike to ride and it continues to raise interest and qustions wherever I go.
100%!
25k views 🎉 congrats 🥳
Thanks champ
Great review and thank you so much for all of the in-depth information.
Thankyou appreciate it!
Agree with everything you said. I love my Pan America, the power is amazing. The adjustability through the different ride modes and the custom moves gives you so much more flexibility and adaptability to the way you want to ride.
Haven't gotten it off road yet, looking forward to that in the Spring/Summer.
Cheers mate!
Yeah you will smile off road, great low centre of gravity makes it work well in the dirt!
Mate I’m very much looking 👀 forward to getting my pan America in about 3 months can’t wait 👍
Thats so awesome! Enjoy the bike when you get it.
Great review Mal! Got mine as soon as they were released and it’s been flawless! I love it! Never out of sports mode. Complete exhilaration! Writing this from Warrnambool after a 2 day ride, haven’t been off it since I arrived and can’t wait it to get back on it for the ride home! Never have regretted buying it, but quickly tempered that sense of loss of not having the cruiser and bought a BMW R18B Bagger! Completely different bike of course, but I love what both companies have done with these incumbents into traditional markets!
Ah that's awesome thanks for the great comment! Yeah I'd love to add a big fat cruiser to the shed! New house build this year but it will be on the list! All the best!
37,000 kms on my 21. Heaps of problems until replaced starter clutch under warranty (as were 2 exhaust headers). Had to replace clutch plates recently. Love the suspension and power in sport mode. Rode around Australia
Wow that is awesome1 I forgot to mention HD are replacing the starter clutch next week, has never caused an issue just makes the weird noise every now and again. I was talking to Ferg at Gasoline Alley about letting this bike run up in the km's so we can show how good, or bad they are! My clutch is a bit grabby on first take off, so I slip it a few times while stationary to get some oil between the plates.
Great content. The Harley Davidson Pan Am is a great bike. I took mine out this afternoon in the freezing cold just because I had to get a ride in. It wasn’t far but it got my blood going a little bit. Your content and advice is appreciated.
Thats awesome! Yep sometimes a 10 minute hit out to around town is all I need!
Enjoy the bike, I will try to punch out some good vids this year, thanks for tuning in!
So glad I stumbled on to your vid…I’ve been on the fence w the Pan due to starting issues., amongst others. Did you have any where the bike just wouldn’t start at all? If so, did they resolve it..thanks and outstanding review and info!
I ran the battery flat and it wouldn't start once, but never had any issues with the bike not starting. I have had some fun on this bike! Once I fitted a slightly stronger battery, and HD replaced the starter clutch under warranty, it made a bit of noise, the bike has been awesome. Good luck if you get one they are such a badass motorcycle!
@@oldmanspeedadventures one older gentleman to another, really appreciate your info..gives me confidence in choosing the dirt glide..🤙🏽
Great Vid Mal, very detailed. I’m having a blast on my Pan Am, coming from a Street Glide. I wasn’t sure if I made the right choice but now that I’ve owned it for a while, she’s just heaps of fun😎🇳🇿
thats a big change for sure
It really is the bike to do everything on! I would love a Street Glide or similiar as a toy, I am going to borrow one for a few days from Gasoline Alley and shoot a 2 day vid travelling out west, as soon as this summer heat is gone I will go do it. Enjoy the PA mate thanks for the comment.
A great review by an owner, and what it was like to actually live with the bike. I didn’t see you mention engine heat on the bike? Part of the reason I ended up with BMW GSA, a non issue for me with the boxer, as dealt with Harley’s and right side engine heat - I always fought on my Road Glides. But to each his own…really want the PanAm to succeed and continue to improve. Next time around will for sure compare again, as had HDs for a long time. Be nice to be able to pu another one. And trust it. Continued good luck with yours!
I didnt mention it as I have never been effected by it, however, when I rode the Harley Classic in Bali, holy crap that thing thre out some heat!
I have never really noticed any heat that has bothered me off the PA, I guess maybe because I rode 450 mx bikes, which get real hot, the big bike doesn't bother me. I have heard guys complain about heat near their ankle on the PA, even after losing the heat shield never noticed. Oh I did burn a boot when I sat my feet up on the crash bars on a long ride and it slipped down onto the header!
Awesome video as always mate.
Glad you enjoyed it, just a quick thrown up vid to let everyone know what I actually think, the V8 of adventure bikes!
@@oldmanspeedadventures my budget allows me to go for a KTM 1290 at this stage, so have really enjoyed your previous vids as well.
I’m 6 foot 4 and just found I feel super comfortable with the bike. What’s the chances Reece trades the sportster for Harley Pan soon…..😜
See ya round mate.
I've been riding my PA for over a year now. Been up to the Cape and back from Gold Coast. Been on quite a few bikes but it's the PA that I'm in love with! Never had a single issue until now and have 15000,km's on the bike already. Definitely a keeper!!!
Very cool! Its awesome to ride something different!
Awesome tips, sunny QLD 👌
thanks Rowan, thats actually right in the front of the block we are about to build on in Beaudesert! Hope you are well and killing it with the racing!
I owned one for about 3 months. I loved it! I wish I could have kept it. The Pan America was going to be my secondary bike to ride alone and going places I wouldn’t go on my Ultra Limited. Unfortunately, a financial setback (home repairs came up suddenly) caused me to need to sale the bike. If I can ever get back to where I was financially before I will own another. I won’t sale my Ultra Limited. That’s the bike I use for touring the country with my wife, 2-up.
Bummer you had to sell, but life throws crap at you from time to time, I'm sure there is one on the shopping list in the future! Wifey loves the 2 up days when we get out, cheers!
Had you bought a KLR you'd have your home repaired and still have a KLR :)
@@stefanpuffer Could be.
30k 🎉 kickin 👍🏼
easiest video I made and 2nd most popular
Good review! I am very stoked about my 2023 RA1250S ; fabulous bike, Harley-Davidson has hit it out of the park with this one... um, yes, a baseball reference.
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Cheers mate yeah a similiar cricket call is "over the fence" 🤘great bike
PanAm is awesome, can’t wait to grab one!
so good enjoy the ride and the conversation it creates my friend!
Great positive review from an owner with his own money in the game. Never ridden the new bikes, but, have ridden the old Harley dirt bikes of many years ago.
Yeah cheers, its funny how people overlook the dirt heritage of HD, I was a fan from the On Any Sunday Mert Lawill days!
I had a KLR650 for 10 years and ran a 18x2.5 on the front. The bike felt like a 250, but did I get criticism! I agree with your comments on wheel size. I ran the 18 only because of tyre selection, but now would choose the 19x2.5. Top review. Thanks for posting.
Yes agree and you just have to ignore the voices to a degree! I think the 21 is great for what its designed for, mx and enduro, its no good on the road. Thanks for the comment!
I'd love one but I spent all my money on a tractor and new shed 😔 so I'll have to stick to old faithful / V-strom 650
Priorities in order right there! Unless you can adapt a PTO onto the HD perhaps! Hey well you need the shed when you do buy one!
I needed such recommendation 🙌 Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱
Thankyou, I have heard of some cold start issues with batteries, I forgot to mention I had a battery failure at about 10,000km, I replaced it with a stronger cranking unit, no issues for me but maybe do some research. All the best! I bet its cold there right now! All the best!
@@oldmanspeedadventures
It's currently snowing and -5 degrees 😂❄️❄️☃️
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I'm picking up the Pan America Special from the showroom on Monday 👍☺️
II goning to buy one today
Thats awesome! Enjoy the experience, get it serviced, keep it clean, keep an eye on bolts etc as you would with any bike. Enjoy the ride.
shoulda bought a GS lol ...IMHO
Good video, couldn't agree more. Did you get your starter clutch fixed?
Its actually booked in this week under warranty, I forgot to mention it. It hasnt caused me any issues but they are swapping it out free of charge.
@oldmanspeedadventures great to hear! It would eventually fail, but takes a while, the noise is a nuisance though. Keep up the videos. I'm enjoying my PA.
I love my 22, nothing but fun every ride. The power is overkill and you're right about the suspension, it works and really really well. Ride safe!
Couldn't agree more!
Thanks for sharing Mal, well well we now know where BMW got the auto height lowering from then.....🤣🤣🤣
Possibly yeah I also think Triumph are doing it on the big bike, perhaps we can thank Citroen from the 70's! Hope all is well Arch, hey your bike park area at home seems quite large, no helmet needed, no low hanging cupboards!
All is well Mal mate 🙏 the parking is a shared parking with about 40 other bikies and about a 15 minute walk from my little apartment #bumpedmyheadagain 😂😂
@@archjapanmotovlogs 🤘😁
I’m sooo confused, looking at one of these or the Low Rider S. Totally different I know but originally looked at a GS1250. Just picked up a Nightster Special for my wife, both of us love it. Not interested in going off road so would be solely local and highways. Harley bikes are sooo good. Thank you for your vid mate.
Very cool bike just keep road tyres on it what a weapon! Great engine
Had a 21 lrs 114..only issue I had w it was it came w a short mono shock but now the 24’s come w the heritage shock which is much better on the back…I’d still go w the Pan though
Word on the street Harley to bring out something enduro around 600cc.
Time for the dirt track kings of the past to get back into their dirt heritage
Kia Ora Mal spot on with your review
I’m waiting on a 2024 PanAmerica should be here end of the month
Will be my third PanAmerica and one of five Harley’s I own
By far my favourite of all,Power handling and the ride is 💯
The 2023 failed at 3000km dropped a valve and same as you I have a great dealer gave me a demo and ordered me the 2024 at no charge
Here in Northern Ontario Canada service and network of dealers across the country keeps me loyal
Thanks for sharing great to hear your review 🇨🇦🇳🇿🇦🇺✊🏾🤙🏾
Thats a bummer about the failure, but sh!t happens with any bike from time to time. Its great they have looked after you. Mate I bet you have some awesome ride places both in Canada and home in NZ, all the best.
Oh definitely on the introduction of anything new shit definitely happens
Living full time in Canada and yes the riding is spectacular
Just new to the adventure market hope to get some videos up this year of some rides
Cheers mate ✊🏾
@@cruisinwithcannibal7280 that's awesome hope your surviving winter!
Now own a PA and a GS - after riding both in varied conditions my go to is the PA. Don't get me wrong, the GS is a great ride but I find the PA inspires more confidence (especially off road) and is an amazingly fun ride to boot.
thats awesome you get to ride one against the other, its the rawness and bruteness of the PA I really enjoy, its a muscle bike of the adventure bike world! Enjoy the ride!
The bike has crazy power in sport. I wish the bike felt more polished and reliable. I totally agree about the sag feature. It is a game changer for adventure bikes. Hopefully harley will allow custom adjustments to everything through the interface similar to your custom offroad mode. I havent spent enough time with one to know.
100% the bike is so badass! Glad your enjoying the bike!
Had a 21 PA. Loved the ride. Unfortunately, the dealer I purchased it from dropped it the day I bought it, then ripped the locking cylinders out of the sport cases. The next dealer couldnt get the parts for a very long time and then didn't install them correctly and they didn't work. The fuel pump went out at 6k. Dealer 2 sat on their hands and didnt order it for 2 months. Finally, I refused to leave until they purchased one from a dealer the next state over. Meanwhile, my PA wouldn't start due to another issue- battery related. I was told a software update would fix it but dealer 2 gave me aches and pains to get that done. I finally switched to dealer 3 and they updated the software, fixed a bad connectir causing some of the starting issues. I personally put a lithium ion battery in which solved my starting issues. Then the bike began to overheat and stall while going 65mph in 50 degree Fahrenheit. Went back and for with dealer 3 who really tried hard to fix it. Then the chain and guides began to wear extra quickly and i needed new tires. Dealer 3 took care of me but I had to return multiple times for the stalling issues and the new chain kept loosening after 50 miles. Eventually, i gave up, sold the bike to dealer 3 and bought a Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer. I've put 15k miles on it in 7 months with zero issues. The mothership did nothing other than point me to the dealer throughout the process. Never again. Really wish it wasnt the case bc the Pan Am really was the best ride when it was working. Guess I've turned redcoat due to all the issues🤷♂️
holy cow that bike certainly was a dud! That is such a shame you never got to enjoy the bike for what it should deliver, bummed for you and having to deal with all that headache! Tigers are a great bike, would be high on my list if replacing.
Hey Thomo, sounds like you’ve got a brilliant bike!!!
What say you we go chase down some OMS stickers?
Go get some pics with my stickers I will send some out!
Interesting comments. I've had my Pan Am since March 2023, only done 9,500km, mostly sealed roads, and I've done similar mods. I'm happy with the bike and have only had minor problems. I tried the fork lift, it does make dirt riding better, but I found it makes the front not feel as precise when on mountain roads, so for that I lift the forks up. I really like the modes. I use Sports power on them all, and max engine breaking (there are 5 settings), throttle on base response, then I vary the suspension, ABS and TC, with A as Sports, B as Balanced, and the Dirt one as a soft dirt suspension. I would like to change the exhaust, but the Dealer keeps telling me the warrantee would be void, I keep thinking "Do you expect something to go wrong?"
Nice, thanks for the great feedback! Great bikes, I will do some more vids soon, I'll go shoot some off road stuff and rider tips. Yes the front end helps with stability off road, especially dirt roads over 60mph /100kmhr. I got used to a bit more input on the bitumen with the fork position. I'm doing a track day soon with slicks! That will be fun, and of course a good video topic!
@@oldmanspeedadventures I checked out getting on the bike before turning it on, to get it to settle, and you know, it makes it ride so much better. Before I was getting on after starting and it must have been dropping the back a bit more than the normal sag amount, because starting it after made it steer quicker. I'm 125kg with gear on, would have been increasing the rake on the front. Will be interesting to see how you go on the track day, I think the bike is fantastic with the sports suspension setting and in the mountains, haven't done a track day yet, but I would like to. I use to do classic racing for a while, and my riding back ground is definitely more sports than touring or dirt.
@@hughmac7423 track day can't come soon enough. How awesome to own the muscle bike of the adventure world!
100% best bike. Just did a camping trip 2500km in Kosciusko NP with the wife on the back, bike handling is superior on and off the black stuff. Bike in getting its 8000k service and main wire harness replaced now.
My home country being a Cooma boy! I am still to ride the roads down there, I reckon this year for sure. What happened to the harness?
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The bike wouldn’t take the software update last year so it was diagnosed as faulty. Apparently pretty common in the 2021 models
@@sticksnstones5695 oh ok.
I love mine that I only have 600 miles on.
Enjoy!
Mal did you see there’s a Pan America racing the Africa Eco Race Monaco to Dakar at the moment. Don’t know how it’s doing but the same rider finished the 1000 Dunas Rally in Spain this year on a stock Pan America. Only set up change was putting off road tires on it
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I saw the first vid, so badass, pretty much shows a good rider will get this bike pretty much anywhere. I wonder if they slid the forks down?
@@oldmanspeedadventures Mal, They did not touch the suspension. The only changes were tires, moving the display up a couple inches for the GPS race system, and a spare fuel tank that fits in place of the rear seat pad. Nothing else was changed! Insanely good rider.
what tires are you running. Are you happy with the skid guard as it bolts direct to motor?
Continental TKC80. Yep the skid plate has been hit a few times, it does its intended job, bolts under the motor in 4 spots then 2 spots on the front, so 6 mounting points should do, and seems to distribute the load of any hits.
While the engine is great, I had numerous electrical problems-no start issues, front ABS problem where the front wheel would lock up and a fuel pump which imploded at 15,000 miles. I traded it for a Street Bob which is a basic bike without all the electrical problems. I hope that Harley Davidson can ultimately fix all of bugs with this engine and its electronics.
I would love to see a dumbed down version, less technology
In my opinion as an A class MXer. Riding dirt for over 40 years, street 20 years. Ride all my bikes 16k plus miles a year. Owned the Africa, Tenere 7, multiple Katooms both 4 and 2 stroke believe from experience the 19" wheel is better for heavier bikes 530lbs plus. The 21" wheel is way better overall in the sand especially at higher speeds of 40 plus mph. I personally don't like to feel my front tire floating, I want it to feel planted
I also want to add that the 19" is more stable at higher speeds (60+mph) on the road than a knobby 21"
I didn't like the imbalance of tyre width. Referring mainly to road use. Bike was fine in the desert sand sitting on 70mph. As long as we are having a good time roll on!
I have a 22’ with 17,500ish miles! I’ve had a few glitches that were solved and a couple fuel that failed!! It’s still the best bike I’ve ever owned!
It’s a new platform so you have to go in with that mind set that there will be issues and problems!
All newer bikes have issues BMW,Triumph have software issues, engine failure, driveshaft snapping!
I chose HD for the dealership access because theirs a dealership every you look (USA)
I had a bmw R18 and bmw didn’t even sell a repair manual for it! $1200 for a 6,000 mile service where it was a 2-3 month wait to get the service! ! No thanks !
agree 100% all bikes have the issues, unfortunately you only hear the bad stories. Great motorcycle, creates a conversation wherever you go, the pure muscle bike of the adv world! Ride on!
I owned one for two years. Tried to like it, learned to hate it. The biggest problem was the dreaded starter clutch which left me stranded far from home a few times. My enthusiasm never recovered from that. I couldn't scrape it off my shoe fast enough.
What a bummer for you that's a crappy experience. HD replaced my starter clutch under warranty it never caused any issue but it was a bit noisy.
Yes, the starter clutch was eventually fixed after a long odyssey that began at the original clownish dealership and ended a year and a half later at a much better dealership in Rahway, NJ. Goes to show how a dealership run by buffoons can really drive away customers and sour the experience.
On the bright side, I found a superior service department and a '23 Low Rider ST @@oldmanspeedadventures
@@larryboody6737 I think your right it's the dealership I'm so lucky I have a good one to take care of me, if I was stuffed around I'd be feeling the same way I'm sure
Great first effort proves HD can do it.
Absolutely
Your tires are well shot! As soon as the knobs are different lengths it’s time to replace them. TKC only last about 3k miles if you’re lucky.
I will be doing a tyre review on these next week, yes they are shot, I did the Redemption Ride video to the desert, 4500km trip, raced a speedway event on them as well! So yes as seen on the bike I got 7000km plus out of them, still a way to go to the tyre indicators, next tyre Im going for the Dunlop TrailMax Raid.
What's it weigh like 1000 lbs?my dr 650 will ride circles around it in the woods, my fjr will ride circles around it on the highway,if I'm going off somewhere to ride both highways and trails the toy hauler works wonders!
Haha whatever bro it's a fun bike to ride. I'm a pro mx and off road racer having some fun, enjoy the vids have a great day
Horses for courses. I like big long adventure rides, like my Big Red Redemption series, no toy hauler needed.
@billbonu1639 You're comparing apples with oranges. Of course 2 very specific types of bike will be better at what they are designed for than one multi purpose bike. There are bikes that will ride circles around both your DR650 and FJR. But that's not the point of a large adventure touring bike or the video
Hey mal, can you drop me the link to the fan heat deflector please
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They are a steal here in Australia. They cant sell them for some reason. I'm very tempted
Yeah been some good deals on run out models, compared to the Beemer its a bargain.
once they weed out the faults this will be the future of HD, hope they make an 800.
Yeah a watered down 800 with less tech would be awesome
Wonder why so many UA-cam reviewers mention “Honest Review”? Should be assume the reviews may not be honest unless that is stated?
because some guys get paid to say it. Or on some sort of deal so its not authentic. I should replace honest with authentic.
Yep awesome motor and suspension! Michelin anakee wilds 16000kms not 1 puncture ✊️✊️
Thats awesome! Great mileage!
No mate few sets flat out getting 3k out of rear
Is Haalee the same thing as Harley🤔🙄😎? Just kidding, nice review... We are indeed separated by a common language!
Yeah I am guessing you say HarrrLeee yep us Aussies talk different! Glad you enjoyed the vid!
@@oldmanspeedadventures I am actually from Texas, so we say it low and slow brother👍👍
@@TimRHillard the place to be I keep hearing! Good enough for Rogan must be a good place to live ✌️
@@oldmanspeedadventures that’s for sure. Unfortunately I am an exiled Texan living in SoCal. But, I still sneak back in from time to time✌️
I wish mine would have been reliable. It was an amazing bike when it would run.
Thats a shame you had issues, there seems to be a few getting around with problems, I have been reasonably lucky touch wood!
@@oldmanspeedadventures 👍 I wish the MOCO all the best. I still have an Ultra Classic with all of my ADV and dual sport bikes, with no plans to ever get rid of it.
Have you tried street tires on the Pan America?
Not yet, but we will be doing a track day on a road race track soon with slicks! Stay tuned!
@@oldmanspeedadventures my '21 PAS has Dunlop Mutant street tires the thing is on rails in the curves and great on wet roads
@@BobbyMiller3 nice I'm not a road guy but I'll check em out
How’s when ya watch it in smart tv, so many ads,,,, on phone utube no ads
Right I didn't know that. After years on UA-cam I just subscribed to the premium, no ads! Changed my life lol
Have you had any issues with your battery?
Battery did die I forgot to mention this, but it died at about 12,000km and I replaced it, no issues since. I put a bit stronger battery in, non lithium.
Great review.. unlike me I'm a very one eyed Yamaha guy so I could never be as honest 😂 but .. a + for effort.
The beauty of owning the bike I can say whatever I want, and, I too am a Yamaha guy just bought a 22 yz250 2 stroke vid coming soon.
what year
Mine is a 21
Or maybe a Moto Guzzi 1000?
Hey man! I currently own a 2023 Sportster S and I’ve been looking into trading her to the Pan Am Special. I’m 28 yrs old and I used to do mountain biking but due to life and school i put that on hold. I’m a lot more free now and wanted to get opinions on if this is a good move. I love the Sportster S but I also miss the dirt road and camping man
You should be able to test ride one, you wont regret it! If your in SEQ Gasoline Alley are more than happy to roll out the demo bike for a test ride. Seriously you will love chasing dirt roads, mtb on steroids! Let me know what you decide on!
A man in a Harley tee is gunna give an honest Harley review?….. the auto adjust to 30% is an amazing feature.
Haha true comment, I did get the shirt at a discount! Yeah the auto sag is great!
Longevity will be interesting
theres a few getting around now with higher kms on them, yeah lets see over time how they stand up, I will run the km up on mine for sure to see how they go.
Also how do tires handle on highway riding to get to offroad?
Out of all the tyres I have tried the Continental have been awesome on the road, no noise or vibration, unlike some other big branded tyres. I am going to try the Dunlop Trailmax Raid next I think. In regards to handling I dont push it real hard on the road, but my mate Ferg fron Gasoline Alley is a road guy, he has told me how hard he can push these tyres!
Harley had a ride day a couple years ago at the annual ADV rally Julian california. Harley brought like 20 bikes and I did ride one. I did NOT like it. I felt bad about dropping it and it was a bitch to get back up lol. but when I got back I noticed literally EVERY bike had LOTS of evidence of being dropped lol....ALL of em! So I mean it is no dirt bike IMHO and on the highway? The bike just did not feel good to me at all....and it did not seem like it has 150hp but I recon it is all at the top. Bottom line? NOT for me PERIOD
Cool. I dig it.
The new Royal Enfield Himalayan?
I would look like a preying mantis on that!
Ich finde sie so schön. Wäre ein echter Luftgekühlter Motor verbaut, hätte ich mir sie gekauft.
Yes I would love a simplified model of this bike, thanks for watching!
Get a Yamaha T7 for bullet proof reliability.
I think any new bike will have issues. I rode the t7 but we do a lot of 2up riding it doesn't really suit me, but hey I have a yz250 🤘
Please, not a Tenere 700! I love Yamaha, I have a 1974 DT400 converted for vintage motocross, but not a Tenere, every one rides them.
I will stick with this beast for a while I reckon
My 21 has been horrible and has totally blown any faith in reliability. I ride alone in the forest to avoid traffic, am I going to make it back home? I have been Stranded, trailered, the 😊Stator quit at 6500 miles. I wish someone would steal it 🤮
thats such bad news, there have been a few with glitches, I mean mine had that inlet manifold fault, HD fixed that, its in the shop now getting the new pipe and a new starter clutch courtesy of HD, fingers crossed it keeps going strong. The redemption ride I filmed I was a bit nervous as well being a long way from home, and if I would have any issues.
@@oldmanspeedadventures Exactly, and all my repairs have been under warranty too. I have an extended warranty until May 27, but that doesn’t mean I have confidence in the bike.
Gotcha
Anyone buying this Bike/Motor/Platform when it first came out was used as a Beta-Test guinea pig.
Ridiculous how bad this Platform was especially with a company like H-D
Its 2024 have the new models finally got rid of all these Gremlins 🤷🏻♂️😩‼️
This is why I traded my bike as I lost all faith in it.
When are you going to update to the GS1300? You look like a BMW man.
Or are you going to convert an old Royal Enfield 500 to a classic adventure bike look and pretend you are cruising the Ireland?
haha
No i would not, Harley came in late in ADV market. When everyone else understood medium sized ADV bikes was becoming The new big sellers. Harley went into The heavy segment which is on a decreasing sales slope. Way to go, into an overcrowded market which has declining sales.
The big thing amongst Young riders is naked sporty bikes, HD dont want new and young customers so they went to The other old man bike The big Adventure bike.
The big thing last year was sport tourers Harley could pulled that off because that sell to grown up not yet old, but again no. They want old guys, which is why they come up with The big ADV bike, and this year big News for The future is a face lift Street Glide, face lift road glide and a CVO Pan American. Zzzzzzzzzz
So no i would not buy one, i would If i wanted an old man Adventure bike buy a BMW or KTM as they are in demand second hand as well. And looking at HD customers and where they aim The market The Brand is gone in 10 years as The buyers die off.
Fair enough I agree with most of this for sure, it just depends on what your into. I have my mx bikes, my main passion, so for me I dig the challenge of the big bikes, for me. Had the 1290 wasn't really that into it, this bike excites me. All good mate appreciate your input! As long as we are all out there riding and doing our own thing in our own way, that's what's awesome! Cheers, ride on!
Stay away from overpriced Harley Junk
Cool
Wtf is even that?
Muscle motorcycle!
Why? Who ordered this??? Dirt bikes are cool, but what the fuck is this think???
It's just a badass motorcycle with 155hp. You don't need to like it. Cheers
I do like it from another manufacturer, say Husqvarna or Bultaco, but not Harley I mean next thing you know there into electronic bikes and now someone has to cover there losses with $60,000.00 baggers
@@tomkarnes69 agree way too much tech, I'd prefer less electronic intervention, all the manufacturers are battling with tech improvements, hopefully one day common sense will prevail ! Cheers thanks for chiming in
FFS shoot me a sticker and i will review it
send me an address I want a full review lol
One of the worst bikes on the market period. Check the resale on these sais it all.😂
Bad time for the entire motorcycle industry. Prices are ridiculous, I just sold a 1 year old 450kxf for 6k with 22 hours on it, that's a 14k motorcycle new. The industry is bleeding, regardless of brand, I'm sure there's some cheap ktms, BMW's etc etc.
I must say you are a real salesman buddy!!!! Keep up the good work and content uploads doing you basically. 🫵
I appreciate that! Yeah no bs here, just as it is, being me, thanks!