Look, it's real simple. Just a pain white background with black text that says "We're not Australia." It's precise, to the point, and expresses to the rest of the world how New Zealand is, in fact, not Australia.
It's like us and space X in environmental science classes. A whole year of environmental law, how the fact the project occurred anywhere near an Indian reservation and national parks was a legal issue, having to create multi-agency environmental policy documents, etc... it was ao repetitive when not just one professor but all of them decide that is what our semester project(s) will be about, and of course make sure none of them overlap because Turnitin would get mad.
@@cheeselord1853 Are you a sheep? Because I always heard there were more sheep than people and if there are only 30 human living there and yet you claim there are 40... I don't know. Sounds a bit suspicious to me.
these days whenever anyone starts talking about government spending i think of it in terms of houses ohh 250 mil for bike lanes well thats only 250 houses thats not so much when you think about it lotto is up to 10mil this week, i mean thats not much its only 10 houses
Internet Historian and ManyKudos should just start a new channel together at this point. People love having things explained by an internet funnyman with an accent.
I'm actually related to Kyle, the guy who designed many of the finalist flags which made a lot of people upset, and in his defense I can tell you that he didn't design the flags for the referendum, rather he'd designed them years earlier for a different project, and when the referendum came around he basically just submitted them because he still had the designs lying around and figured he might as well. He had no control over the judges selecting his designs. Also yeah, I 1000% would have unironically voted for Laser Kiwi I mean can you imagine the fear and respect that flag would bring? Just wild we missed that opportunity.
Back when Norway designed its own new flag back in the 1800s, one of the requirements was that a child should be able to draw it. All those squiggly ferns would have been rough, I think.
All kiwi children are born with the ability to draw a silver fern, its a mutation that developed so kids could draw all their favourite sports players! Hope this helped!
I don't think being able to draw it is so important. I am from mexico and in the center of our flag there is an eagle eating a snake on top of a cactus. It takes great effort for anyone to accurately draw, not only children. But nobody cares, they try it anyways, they draw simplified versions of it however they can. And I really like my flag, it is badass and culturally significant.
I feel like that should be a requirement for all flags. Like as a kid I would draw a star then write "x50" next to it. Ive seen the Welsh flag drawn as the background colors then the word "DRAGON" in red. Japan's flag was always the best to draw
You know, a single color flag isn’t unprecedented, from 1977-2011 Libya’s flag was solid green, and Oman’s flag was solid red for a while, so it would work
@@FriedTurkey That unironically was France's flag for several years, during the Bourbon Restoration in the early 19th century. Also, the flags of several revolutionary socialist Soviet republics in the early 20th century were plain red (which for some reason is the color socialism etc.), including Bavaria, Bremen, Finland, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Slovakia, and Ukraine among others.
@@BazukinBelyugovich Actually, those revolutionary movements are Why red is associated with socialism. Various events prior had lead to red flags being associated with Revolution (independent of the cause of the revolutionaries) at the time, you see.
Ah New Zealand, not only overlooked by the world for being next to Australia, but also having a painfully similar flag. Best place I’ve ever been though!
@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Yeah righto. I still can't tell if it's someone who's making a joke and has very basic geographical skills or if it's your average American.
If you grew up in Eastern Europe in the 90s and liked kiwi fruit, the NZ flag is the best flag. Picture this: You're a small child, the communism just ended and there's not much things to derive fun from, when suddenly the New Zealandic Board of Agriculture has the Chad idea to include several stickers with their national flag in every punnet of kiwi fruit. For the first time you feel God's Love, and your misery is turned into absolute joy as finally you have stickers you can ruin the furniture and appliances in your house with! And they were the olden day stickers too, with amazingly strong glue! Several things around me still proudly bear the Big Juicy flag, such as- the chandelier in the living room, that old electric kettle I'm too lazy to either fix or throw out, and, crucialy, my grandfather's gravestone.
Talking about fruits from outside Eastern Europe Did you also got a tradition of giving your family members oranges on every special occasions ? Like here in Poland you couldn't have Christmas without oranges
@@marcinkrz3140 Yeah, saddly. Those oranges back in the 90s were sour as fuck, no idea where were they from, and yet I had to pretend I was happy because I got them
@@marcinkrz3140 Is this why my parents always put a fucking orange in my Christmas stocking despite our family living in America for several generations? Like why would you put an orange in my stocking? You buy oranges regularly. What’s the point in putting one in my sticking when you buy them constantly throughout the year?
3:05. God showing the Australian flag when talking about the New Zealand flag, that brings me back to living in England where not a single soul could tell the difference between the 2 to save their life
@@valentinmitterbauer4196 Everyone knows that Austria is just a misspelling of Australia and the geographical location of Austria in Europe is just a black hole ever since that famous Austrian painter became worlds most hated moustache model.
@@StrazdasLT He was an Austrian-born German. He lived in Germany, served in the German army and got the German citizenship after he was stateless for some time. Oh and he also got into politics.
I will never forget how embarrassed I was when staying overseas while this happened and my friends would tease me about this “Hey aren’t you from NZ?” “Yeah” “Oh the country that wasted $20million and something to change a flag that resulted in nothing right?” “… I’m from Australia” 😩😭
Thank you for explaining where the money from Tab For A Cause comes from. Literally no one else has said how the money is generated. Good video too, I guess.
@@sirshotty7689 Hey, you calling me out buddy? Huh!? Be a real shame if you run out of beef or corn bro..... how dare you rightfully sass our heroin addicted design teams!
I was definitely one of the people at the time thinking this was just a vanity project for John Key. Although, as someone interested in design, I definitely thought the Red Peak design was the best of the proposals. Not only did it actually represent things important to New Zealand, but like Roman Mars talked about in the 99% Invisible podcast episode about flags, it met all the criteria for a good flag, especially the ability to easily replicate it. I remember a news article where kids were asked to draw the new flag proposals, and any kid that drew one with the silver fern struggled. Also, doesn’t the fucking red and blue fern one just look like a box of Weetbix?!
The struggle those young NZ test subjects faced has been the living nightmare of Canadian schoolchildren for 60 years. Oh yeah, you think, the maple leaf is 99% straight lines, it'll be easy to draw... IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING EASY TO DRAW, OKAY?!?
Was a Red Peaks supporter and was honestly disgusted with how it lost in the first round. It was the only one that genuinely looked like a flag and as you said represented the people, the creation, and a bit of the mythology of New Zealand. Most of the long list flags were superficially representing NZ or doing it in the most indirect bland way (though I feel these still were better than the shortlist flags). Something you should've mentioned as well was how the voting process provided favouritism to the "copy cat" flags. As we voted for a flag 1 through 5 and as the one you voted for got eliminated your number 2, 3, 4, etc votes would go to the next. This means voting for the photocopier's running out of ink flag was effectively doubling your vote for the flag if you didn't care about the colour. Tripling if the generic silver fern flag is also on your list. The Koru and Red Peaks flag don't have the luxury of having such a cushiony ability to stack votes.
the whole time you were using the aussie flag i was like “lmao nice” but the longer you used it the longer i worried it wasn’t a joke,,,,, thank god it was haha. youse really need to start using that laser kiwi flag though, that things beautiful.
bro same, aus needs a new flag too tho i reckon a laser kangaroo so when the laser kiwi and laser roo flag are flyin next to each other theyre haven a fucken mad laser battle.
@@IDontReallyWantAUA-camHandle I imagine you'd have the same difficulty with something like Ireland and Italy (Ireland's red is lighter). People who live far away (and whose job is not to be a diplomat) can be excused for seeing "Union flag, stars" and taking that for good enough.
16:26 You know the Nazi flag really soured something as simple as 90 degree angles didn't it. It isn't really a complicated shape so you can accidentally run into it.
@@alexeysaranchev6118 Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are fascists. People forget about the Italian and Spanish fascist regimes all the time. Italy and Spain are probably glad of that I'd imagine.
Holy shit man. I saw one of your first few videos ever posted, and I come back and you passed me in subs and are refining your craft. I just wanted to give you some kudos on the great growth and how well you've done. It was clear you had potential back then! I'm excited to see you end up recommended to me out of nowhere and to explore your back catalog.
"the guy in boot camp putting a down payment on a dodge charger" for those of you with no connection to the US military, you have no idea how depressingly true that is; esp with a 25% interest payment
@@jaymevosburgh3660 Hmmm I don't seem to know any of these "sheep-people" of whom you speak...you can't vote a PM in or out, only a party, n I always thought that photo was a good representation of how he had so "generously aided" the US presidents' agenda at the expense of "his" own people for personal gain. Never liked the f*kr, not ONE day.....& FYI we don't have corn dogs here, that's a BATTERED fried dog that you'd get at any fish & chips shop. Personally, I don't eat them, my gag reflex is WAY too strong.
Bruh I don’t ever get as excited as I do when a new ManyKudos vid drops. My son was riding a bike for the first time earlier and I just stopped watching him to see this. I’m probably getting divorced now but we still have a daughter so I don’t see what she’s so mad about.
should have just started yelling "MANY KUDOS", your son never would have known that you weren't congratulating him. It's literally the only way I congratulate people anymore
Oh, hey! That was the career my grandmother was in for 3 decades, how is studying Vexills these days? I hear it pays really well. I mean, as far as monetary compensation for females is concerned it is.
I dunno, the current NZ flag is a very pleasing flag on the eyes. The people who confuse it with the Aussie flag are just too lazy to learn the difference
If I remember correctly, it was basically more of a political power grab than anything truly symbolic. Politicians love using Maori stuff as propaganda to sell you on their shitty politics.
@@trolleymouse It definitely is purely Pākehā in design. Red peak is a bunch of triangles. We use triangles all the time in different forms of weaving. But not to represent Ranginui and Papatuānuku. Also, it does not make sense from a Māori perspective to have the female atua represented by a piercing arrow shape and the male atua represented by a notch shape. I didn't hate the red peak design in general. I mean, it was the only one that didn't look like a tea towel from a souvenir store to be fair, but it was presumptuous of the designer to assume they had created something that carried that degree of significance, symbolism, and meaning for people from a different culture. To create a bicultural flag you need to be able to navigate the two cultures competently, which the red peak designer clearly cannot do, or at least could not do at the time of designing their flag.
I think you left out the most important thing about the flag debate: It was a longstanding tradition that politicians who got caught paying for their family vacation with government funds by saying "Shouldn't we talk about the flag?" that was finally getting called out in a shit-or-get-off-the-pot moment.
I am personally insulted that you think a glass dome is capable of containing Auckland with our near constant acid rain problems. We would easily melt our way through lol.
I just love it when he says "they wasted 26M New Zealand dollars or roughly 16 US dollars". You know it is 16M US dollars but there is that inkling of a doubt that it could be 16 actual dollars.
For classical tastes, the Coat-of-Arms-style "Suothers Cross inside the ferns" (7:51) would have been a pretty cool, safe bet. For an exceptional expression of culture, history , and geography, "Red Peak" is absolutely brilliant. For men and women of culture with a keen eye for the future, "Laser Kiwi" is the only true pick. A 3-way race between these would have made for an amazing event.
4:28 "Most of you didn't even notice" As an Australian human. It was beaten into our heads at school which flag was which. Thankgod you revealed it was a ruse or my Aussie accent would have leapt into text and sent before I had a chance to stop it and made a fool of myself hbnmdjvndmjcvn
Growing up in New Zealand, while 'beaten into our heads" would be a bit of an over statement, it was something that was taught here too. It's fairly rare for an Australian or New Zealander to mistake one for the other simply out of ignorance, there's usually other factors involved. Now, people from Other Places, on the other hand...
As an Australian I was very confused why the Australian flag kept showing up, thought you had a poorly paid editor off fiverr who didn't know the difference. Glad I was eating at the time or that smug comment would have been me!
@@pihlajafox Not really. The Wehrmacht used the Reich war flag (Reichskriegsflagge), which was created by the German Empire and kept being used by the Weimar Republic and NSDAP Germany (when it was redesigned to be red and include the swastika). It was the "war flag" of the country, something that is almost entirely gone by now (a few countries still have one) but it was more common during the XIXth century.
@@juliamavroidi8601 Because translating languages that have seperated thousands of years ago into the roman alphabet is not an exact science lol, its just a bunch of conventions. People cant even agree on how to write Russian in the latin alphabet and English itself is a massive inconsistent clusterfuck.
@@JanglePangle Personification is more like actively giving an object human traits, like referring to a vehicle with feminine pronouns or calling a machine that isn’t working right a bastard. I was talking more about perception of shapes.
I definitely would have voted for the laser kiwi flag, its just so perfect. When the queen dies we should just make it a close up of the laser kiwis head so its just this kinda weird, awkward and vaguely intimidating flag
10:59 LMAO So disappointing the Peak flag lost tho, especially so fast, it's really pretty, and the amount of symbolism mashed into it is very impressive for it's overall simplicity.
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The fact we passed up Laser Kiwi for two flags that looked almost exactly the same still fills me with shame
Lazer kiwi would be an awesome flag! It's cool and modern!
Ikr
Damn near renounced my citizenship when that happened
Worst timeline ong, need to go back 💀
Ikr, we could have had the best flag in the world
Look, it's real simple. Just a pain white background with black text that says "We're not Australia." It's precise, to the point, and expresses to the rest of the world how New Zealand is, in fact, not Australia.
Need a "despite what maps say we exist". Also.
Or a Kiwi kicking a Kangaroo in the bollocks.
FCK WLLBS in deep angery red letters missing
Make it a two-sided design, have the other side say "Yes, we're sure"
@Tendies Offmyplate he said Australia
The Welsh get a dragon and you could’ve had a kiwi shooting laser beams from its eye!
LONG LIVE THE LASER KIWI!!!
The ultimate rap battle of history
Dragon Kiwi
In the hearts of zoomers, the laser kiwi will be the forever icon of NZ.
🏴
The flag referendum was the absolute worst time to be in design school, a whole semester of assignments revolved around it
Some random aerospace engineering student watching the design students having to design a flag for a semester straight and still complain.
It's like us and space X in environmental science classes. A whole year of environmental law, how the fact the project occurred anywhere near an Indian reservation and national parks was a legal issue, having to create multi-agency environmental policy documents, etc... it was ao repetitive when not just one professor but all of them decide that is what our semester project(s) will be about, and of course make sure none of them overlap because Turnitin would get mad.
That swastika one actually had me laughing for 10 minutes.
Especially hearing the little laugh in the background🤣
The Swastika flag came up just as i was reading your comment
There was a Third Reich Wehrmacht flag to lol.
FR. I was about to come down here and comment the same thing
The Brilliant part about it is that the crossed N and Z spell NaZee over and over if you look at it long enough
My teacher always said "good minimal design is when there's nothing left to take away"... so the solid blue would've been the obvious choice
In that case I am good minimal design
That is terrible advice
This flag has too much ambiguity, take it away.
@@killpuddle9977 good for engineers, bad for doctors
@@Petrico94 it's technically a good metric but really imprecise
Imagine going though all that effort to change a flag for the 30 people that live in New Zealand
Gabe lives there though so it must be worth it
Gives the 5 million of them living in Australia nostalgic vibes.
There is actually like 40 of us
29 actually 1 died by coronavirus last year
@@cheeselord1853 Are you a sheep? Because I always heard there were more sheep than people and if there are only 30 human living there and yet you claim there are 40...
I don't know. Sounds a bit suspicious to me.
Laser Kiwi was pretty big in Australia, good times ❤️
hello from the land down under :)
That Aussy😩
yoooo the funny man
yes
Always wish he was using his lasers to heat up a pair of knives tbh.
You're very creative coming up with all this New Zealand deep lore. This will definitely help convince people that NZ is real.
11:38 "yeah I suppose....
.....
......what do you want from me?"
It's amazing the lengths people go to make a flag for a fictional country, such a dedication to worldbuilding
yes nz is a goverment conspiracy
The less people know the better 😌
You're telling me Tolkien invented not one but multiple languages for his fictional races, but didn't think to contrive a flag for New Zealand?
@@capslockcapable1719 he was a writer not a maker of flags!
Praise Kekistan!
As a kiwi i'm proud that I still see people flying the laser kiwi flag regularly
I gotta get one
@@dopey_duck_944 same
I need to find that
I'm also in New Zealand and I have not seen a single laser kiwi flag
@@l6cvl You probably just aren't in the right places, I saw one in matamata a wee while ago.
26mil, or 1 Auckland house
Lmao
these days whenever anyone starts talking about government spending i think of it in terms of houses ohh 250 mil for bike lanes well thats only 250 houses thats not so much when you think about it
lotto is up to 10mil this week, i mean thats not much its only 10 houses
Damn, you can buy a whole house for that price now? I thought it was that much for just a shed.
I can tell you live in NZ fr lol.
Or $16 American dollars=one house
The plain blue flag would be the best... it's how you're always drawn on a map...
Why wasn’t the New Zealand flag a man standing suspiciously behind a sheep, would of been a good representation of the place.
That would be scotland
Internet Historian and ManyKudos should just start a new channel together at this point. People love having things explained by an internet funnyman with an accent.
So any internet funnyman?
@@llangad You got me. I should have said a non American accent.
The issue is that they have to post regularly.
Get Ordinary Things in there too and the trio is unstoppable.
They pretty much do with the Storymode channel
I'm actually related to Kyle, the guy who designed many of the finalist flags which made a lot of people upset, and in his defense I can tell you that he didn't design the flags for the referendum, rather he'd designed them years earlier for a different project, and when the referendum came around he basically just submitted them because he still had the designs lying around and figured he might as well. He had no control over the judges selecting his designs.
Also yeah, I 1000% would have unironically voted for Laser Kiwi I mean can you imagine the fear and respect that flag would bring? Just wild we missed that opportunity.
The fern is a bad element. Too fiddly. The Red Peak design was dope as fuck and fits all vexillology marks.
@@angusmatheson8906 I agree.
Don't worry, Kyle did nothing wrong. It was simply a shit process.
He could have simply not submitted any of them.
This is a sinism, this flag has a vexatious tone. Well done, keep the flag that looks like you own the UK.
Back when Norway designed its own new flag back in the 1800s, one of the requirements was that a child should be able to draw it. All those squiggly ferns would have been rough, I think.
All kiwi children are born with the ability to draw a silver fern, its a mutation that developed so kids could draw all their favourite sports players! Hope this helped!
@@snusmumricken Nature is amazing.
I've found the Norse corner!
Góðan dag!
I don't think being able to draw it is so important. I am from mexico and in the center of our flag there is an eagle eating a snake on top of a cactus. It takes great effort for anyone to accurately draw, not only children. But nobody cares, they try it anyways, they draw simplified versions of it however they can. And I really like my flag, it is badass and culturally significant.
I feel like that should be a requirement for all flags. Like as a kid I would draw a star then write "x50" next to it. Ive seen the Welsh flag drawn as the background colors then the word "DRAGON" in red. Japan's flag was always the best to draw
Man I had no idea that New Zealanders had such strong meme culture
We really do lmao
We can be quite committed to the bit
@@dayligs kwoyt comeetid to tha beet
And here i was, thinking the only culture they had was interloping with their livestock
@@dookiefingers8436Bro… every hole is a goal over here
9:14 that flag is fire. the N'sand Z's being both reflections and making the fauna symbol is dope. the stars are the cherry on top
11:29 I love how Internet Historian is just struggling to stay in character, and is just slowly cracking up the more he tries to talk about it
The amount of swastika jokes that came up in this whole thing was hilarious
The whole "guy in boot camp that just put a down payment on a dodge charger" bit really hit home
I am somehow both amazed and not surprised at all that some guy from New Zealand knows that very specific (but accurate) stereotype.
@@BlueDongDroop I don't get it. Is it common for tools of the American army to want shitty cars?
I'd vote for it.
@@HOTD108_ yes most new recruits are just 18 year olds freshly graduated with a high school diploma and get swindled easily by car salesmen.
@@HOTD108_ i live in an area with like 4 bases and its the most common sight to see... some 18 yr old in some stereotype american 'muscle' car...
You know, a single color flag isn’t unprecedented, from 1977-2011 Libya’s flag was solid green, and Oman’s flag was solid red for a while, so it would work
@@FriedTurkey That unironically was France's flag for several years, during the Bourbon Restoration in the early 19th century.
Also, the flags of several revolutionary socialist Soviet republics in the early 20th century were plain red (which for some reason is the color socialism etc.), including Bavaria, Bremen, Finland, Hungary, Lithuania, Belarus, Slovakia, and Ukraine among others.
@@BazukinBelyugovich The reason red is the color of socialism is because it represents the blood of the working class
And they were unrecognizable.
@@BazukinBelyugovich Actually, those revolutionary movements are Why red is associated with socialism. Various events prior had lead to red flags being associated with Revolution (independent of the cause of the revolutionaries) at the time, you see.
Ah New Zealand, not only overlooked by the world for being next to Australia, but also having a painfully similar flag. Best place I’ve ever been though!
The politician immediately seeing how it could be turned into a swastika might be the biggest self-report in history
I'm not even _from_ Australia and I'm mad that red peak flag didn't win.
New Zealand isn't Australian.
@@albertoftasmania aaaaand that's the joke
@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Yeah righto. I still can't tell if it's someone who's making a joke and has very basic geographical skills or if it's your average American.
@@albertoftasmania all of the above!!!!! (Just kidding) although I don't know where Nixel actually comes from???????
@@lancetehira It says on his account that he's from Holland. I was wrong.
If you grew up in Eastern Europe in the 90s and liked kiwi fruit, the NZ flag is the best flag. Picture this: You're a small child, the communism just ended and there's not much things to derive fun from, when suddenly the New Zealandic Board of Agriculture has the Chad idea to include several stickers with their national flag in every punnet of kiwi fruit. For the first time you feel God's Love, and your misery is turned into absolute joy as finally you have stickers you can ruin the furniture and appliances in your house with! And they were the olden day stickers too, with amazingly strong glue! Several things around me still proudly bear the Big Juicy flag, such as- the chandelier in the living room, that old electric kettle I'm too lazy to either fix or throw out, and, crucialy, my grandfather's gravestone.
I felt an overwhelming surge of New Zealand patriotism reading this comment and how well the stickers have persisted.
I'm Canadian.
Talking about fruits from outside Eastern Europe
Did you also got a tradition of giving your family members oranges on every special occasions ?
Like here in Poland you couldn't have Christmas without oranges
@@marcinkrz3140 Yeah, saddly. Those oranges back in the 90s were sour as fuck, no idea where were they from, and yet I had to pretend I was happy because I got them
See this is why I voted to keep big juicy
also the john key spite thing
@@marcinkrz3140 Is this why my parents always put a fucking orange in my Christmas stocking despite our family living in America for several generations? Like why would you put an orange in my stocking? You buy oranges regularly. What’s the point in putting one in my sticking when you buy them constantly throughout the year?
3:05. God showing the Australian flag when talking about the New Zealand flag, that brings me back to living in England where not a single soul could tell the difference between the 2 to save their life
the difference: australia is included on maps and new zealand is not.
Waiting for the ultimate political mess- up: The president or the foreign minister of Austria being greeted with the flag of New Zealand abroad.
Honstely Im Austrailan, know both flags and didnt notice till he pointed it out.
@@valentinmitterbauer4196 Everyone knows that Austria is just a misspelling of Australia and the geographical location of Austria in Europe is just a black hole ever since that famous Austrian painter became worlds most hated moustache model.
@@StrazdasLT
He was an Austrian-born German.
He lived in Germany, served in the German army and got the German citizenship after he was stateless for some time. Oh and he also got into politics.
"A guy in boot camp putting a down payment on a Dodge Charger."
That was a hell of a reference especially coming from a Kiwi.
being australian made me extremely confused why the new zealand flag looked exactly like australia’s until you revealed it literally was lmao
I will never forget how embarrassed I was when staying overseas while this happened and my friends would tease me about this
“Hey aren’t you from NZ?”
“Yeah”
“Oh the country that wasted $20million and something to change a flag that resulted in nothing right?”
“… I’m from Australia” 😩😭
Lmao
Other countries have spent more on less.
I thought it was $16 American dollars????
@@thetsubamehub2139 Like canada in the last early election.
What about the time that America spent trillions of dollars to go to war with literal words? "terrorism" and "drugs" being the first that come to mind
Thank you for explaining where the money from Tab For A Cause comes from. Literally no one else has said how the money is generated. Good video too, I guess.
Flag 101 Rules: “Be rectangular”
Nepal: *Visible confusion*
To be fair, Nepal is too busy always being in a civil war to care.
Ohio…
Switzerland sweating in a corner
@@sirshotty7689 Hey, you calling me out buddy? Huh!? Be a real shame if you run out of beef or corn bro..... how dare you rightfully sass our heroin addicted design teams!
@@cronagorgon6435 lmao jokes on you, in Oregon we only eat meth and pine needles!
As someone originally not wanting to change the flag. Now I really wished we changed the flag.
Australia designs a flag.
New Zealand ' can I borrow your homework, I'II change it a little so the teacher doesn't notice'.
I was definitely one of the people at the time thinking this was just a vanity project for John Key. Although, as someone interested in design, I definitely thought the Red Peak design was the best of the proposals. Not only did it actually represent things important to New Zealand, but like Roman Mars talked about in the 99% Invisible podcast episode about flags, it met all the criteria for a good flag, especially the ability to easily replicate it. I remember a news article where kids were asked to draw the new flag proposals, and any kid that drew one with the silver fern struggled. Also, doesn’t the fucking red and blue fern one just look like a box of Weetbix?!
The struggle those young NZ test subjects faced has been the living nightmare of Canadian schoolchildren for 60 years. Oh yeah, you think, the maple leaf is 99% straight lines, it'll be easy to draw... IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING EASY TO DRAW, OKAY?!?
Plus, you can make an swastika with four of those
unfortunate that the red peak is a trademarked logo of a company (surprised this wasn't mentioned)
@@leminjapan still malding over the pixel art thing?
@@MagicGonads which company?
Was a Red Peaks supporter and was honestly disgusted with how it lost in the first round. It was the only one that genuinely looked like a flag and as you said represented the people, the creation, and a bit of the mythology of New Zealand.
Most of the long list flags were superficially representing NZ or doing it in the most indirect bland way (though I feel these still were better than the shortlist flags).
Something you should've mentioned as well was how the voting process provided favouritism to the "copy cat" flags. As we voted for a flag 1 through 5 and as the one you voted for got eliminated your number 2, 3, 4, etc votes would go to the next. This means voting for the photocopier's running out of ink flag was effectively doubling your vote for the flag if you didn't care about the colour. Tripling if the generic silver fern flag is also on your list. The Koru and Red Peaks flag don't have the luxury of having such a cushiony ability to stack votes.
Red Peak was by far the best candidate.
I mean they can't stop us all if we collectively agree its red peak
the whole time you were using the aussie flag i was like “lmao nice” but the longer you used it the longer i worried it wasn’t a joke,,,,, thank god it was haha. youse really need to start using that laser kiwi flag though, that things beautiful.
Hahaha yeah same
bro same, aus needs a new flag too tho i reckon a laser kangaroo so when the laser kiwi and laser roo flag are flyin next to each other theyre haven a fucken mad laser battle.
Exactly yeah. Are there actually people who don't know the difference? It seemed obvious to me as an Aussie but y'know how people can be i guess
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@@IDontReallyWantAUA-camHandle I imagine you'd have the same difficulty with something like Ireland and Italy (Ireland's red is lighter). People who live far away (and whose job is not to be a diplomat) can be excused for seeing "Union flag, stars" and taking that for good enough.
"Union Jeff" almost made me spit out my dinner. This video is great, your verbiage and timing is amazing.
8:45 bruh, you nailed it.
Someone should make a funny video about the ways to differentiate between New Zealand and Australia.
Well Australia is an incredibly cursed place and and new Zealand is filled with sheep and endangered birds.
First: in New Zealand they don't speak German.
But are there any?
@@leminjapan yeah, people from New Zealand usually are more understandable.
Australians talk funny while New Zealanders talk funny.
I still feel to this day that laser kiwi represents the everything I love about New Zealand in a way that only that image can convey
16:26 You know the Nazi flag really soured something as simple as 90 degree angles didn't it. It isn't really a complicated shape so you can accidentally run into it.
Cue Sarah Silverman's tism-mastic Twitter spergasm
Incidentally run into these nuts
@@lauriepenner350 "Some Asian religions" is extremely incorrect lol.
If you've ever spotted a kiwi in the bush at night, you'll know that they do in fact have laser eyes
11:10 I thought I could detect a hint of sarcasm.
Internet Historian staring at a Nazi flag and asking « What do you want from me? »
Honestly disappointing if he does have f4scist sympathies
@@Reboobed You didn't need to censor the word you know, it _is_ just another political ideology.
@@SliceJosiah he even mistook fascists for nazis, he doesn't understand what it means, for him it's just "evil bad word"
@@alexeysaranchev6118 Remember kids, Nazis fit into the category of fascists, but not all fascists fit into the category of Nazis.
@@alexeysaranchev6118 Not all fascists are Nazis, but all Nazis are fascists. People forget about the Italian and Spanish fascist regimes all the time. Italy and Spain are probably glad of that I'd imagine.
Holy shit man. I saw one of your first few videos ever posted, and I come back and you passed me in subs and are refining your craft. I just wanted to give you some kudos on the great growth and how well you've done. It was clear you had potential back then! I'm excited to see you end up recommended to me out of nowhere and to explore your back catalog.
Man that's one of the nicest comments I've ever gotten on here, thank you so much homie!
"the guy in boot camp putting a down payment on a dodge charger" for those of you with no connection to the US military, you have no idea how depressingly true that is; esp with a 25% interest payment
Don't forget about totalling it several months into ownership.
@@Flabulo while drunk and under age can't forget the important details.
@@jasonirwin4631 I honestly just thought that was implied.
The Laser Kiwi with IH's suggested change would have been great. Best possible flag.
Nobody submitted an uninspired "Just change the british flag by the silver fern on a black background and keep the same blue and south cross" design ?
Putting an Aussie in a video about New Zealand.
John Key is rolling in is dead political career
I never knew he could swallow a corndog that well.
Now I see why the kiwi sheep-people love him.
@@PondScummer Made with real dog.
@@HOTD108_ They had to find a use for the leftovers once John Key had a vasectomy.
@@jaymevosburgh3660 Hmmm I don't seem to know any of these "sheep-people" of whom you speak...you can't vote a PM in or out, only a party, n I always thought that photo was a good representation of how he had so "generously aided" the US presidents' agenda at the expense of "his" own people for personal gain. Never liked the f*kr, not ONE day.....& FYI we don't have corn dogs here, that's a BATTERED fried dog that you'd get at any fish & chips shop. Personally, I don't eat them, my gag reflex is WAY too strong.
Bruh I don’t ever get as excited as I do when a new ManyKudos vid drops. My son was riding a bike for the first time earlier and I just stopped watching him to see this. I’m probably getting divorced now but we still have a daughter so I don’t see what she’s so mad about.
name your son after me
should have just started yelling "MANY KUDOS", your son never would have known that you weren't congratulating him. It's literally the only way I congratulate people anymore
Lmao
This is prime content, i love seeing how your editing has evolved over the past couple years. Excellent work, Kudos.
Thank you king!
"Guy in boot camp putting a down payment on a dodge charger" best joke of the whole vid
The "guy in boot camp putting a down payment on a dodge charger" line is so fucking real I can't believe someone was brave enough to mention it lol
As a Vexillologist, I am very disappointed it didn’t change. However, I do realize that it was done poorly, and can be revisited in the future.
Oh, hey! That was the career my grandmother was in for 3 decades, how is studying Vexills these days? I hear it pays really well. I mean, as far as monetary compensation for females is concerned it is.
Vexillology is for nerds
@@moabfrican2 bro idk
@@OkachaWasTaken hell yeah it is 😎
I dunno, the current NZ flag is a very pleasing flag on the eyes. The people who confuse it with the Aussie flag are just too lazy to learn the difference
Funnily enough, every Maori person I spoke to around the time said the red peak had nothing Maori about it whatsoever.
If I remember correctly, it was basically more of a political power grab than anything truly symbolic. Politicians love using Maori stuff as propaganda to sell you on their shitty politics.
Does that mean much though? I'm sure a lot of people couldn't identify all the symbology in their country's flag
@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 They were saying it followed no semblance of Maori symbology. It was purely European in style.
@@trolleymouse Turns out Maori are less educated than expected.
@@trolleymouse It definitely is purely Pākehā in design. Red peak is a bunch of triangles. We use triangles all the time in different forms of weaving. But not to represent Ranginui and Papatuānuku. Also, it does not make sense from a Māori perspective to have the female atua represented by a piercing arrow shape and the male atua represented by a notch shape.
I didn't hate the red peak design in general. I mean, it was the only one that didn't look like a tea towel from a souvenir store to be fair, but it was presumptuous of the designer to assume they had created something that carried that degree of significance, symbolism, and meaning for people from a different culture. To create a bicultural flag you need to be able to navigate the two cultures competently, which the red peak designer clearly cannot do, or at least could not do at the time of designing their flag.
The reverse japanese flag with the NZ was very neat.
Just kind of pausing on it as it sank in had me rolling.
They should've chose that design
It was kind of too similar to the double cross one imo
@@sirshotty7689 The 10:54 one??
@@iamthinking2252_ yeah
9:53 fun fact, Lybia under Gaddafi had a flag which was just the colour green
I scanned the QR code. Great website! I really learned a lot about NZ culture.
I think you left out the most important thing about the flag debate: It was a longstanding tradition that politicians who got caught paying for their family vacation with government funds by saying "Shouldn't we talk about the flag?" that was finally getting called out in a shit-or-get-off-the-pot moment.
I am personally insulted that you think a glass dome is capable of containing Auckland with our near constant acid rain problems. We would easily melt our way through lol.
Actually glass is one of the few things that isnt corroded by acid, along with ceramics. But nice try.
As a person from the South Hemisphere living in the North Hemisphere. Hearing about the Southern Cross made my day better
Better have a southern cross tattoo.
the tiny bit of grizzly hills that played at 15:40 made me happy
'The New Zealand Flag' proceeds to show the Australian flag. This gave me quite a laugh, thanks mate. Wonderfully informative and delightfully funny.
That peak flag looks amazing. It should have been selected
Gross
based
@@unknownguitars no u
I just love it when he says "they wasted 26M New Zealand dollars or roughly 16 US dollars". You know it is 16M US dollars but there is that inkling of a doubt that it could be 16 actual dollars.
Bruce it's been 5 years
For classical tastes, the Coat-of-Arms-style "Suothers Cross inside the ferns" (7:51) would have been a pretty cool, safe bet.
For an exceptional expression of culture, history , and geography, "Red Peak" is absolutely brilliant.
For men and women of culture with a keen eye for the future, "Laser Kiwi" is the only true pick.
A 3-way race between these would have made for an amazing event.
Underrated comment.
it looks like a bad american state flag
I never knew I would giggle at a Starfire kiwi bird yet here we are.
11:22 The two of them gradually losing the ability to keep from laughing is so great 😂
I knew exactly where that QR code was going and I gladly scanned it anyway
What was it?
@@dillondelaney4347 Rickroll
No flag will ever be greater than the laser eye kiwi it will live on as the best flag concept ever made
4:28 "Most of you didn't even notice"
As an Australian human. It was beaten into our heads at school which flag was which. Thankgod you revealed it was a ruse or my Aussie accent would have leapt into text and sent before I had a chance to stop it and made a fool of myself hbnmdjvndmjcvn
"My Aussie accent would have leapt into text"
What a great phrase
"Australian human" Yeah sure kangaroo, I see through your lies
As a kiwi the longer the joke went on the more I was wondering if it was an actual joke or not.
I'm Australian and I actually didn't even notice. To be fair though I didn't pay much attention in school.
Growing up in New Zealand, while 'beaten into our heads" would be a bit of an over statement, it was something that was taught here too. It's fairly rare for an Australian or New Zealander to mistake one for the other simply out of ignorance, there's usually other factors involved. Now, people from Other Places, on the other hand...
Fun fact: When Minnesota had its flag referendum, it had an entry that referenced the laser kiwi
"'Wrong' 'oh... would you like to elaborate' 'no'"
Honestly best part of the video and got an audible laugh from me.
Petition to make ManyKudos' UA-cam channel portrait New Zealand's new flag.
Here in the UK, we spent ~£500 million on the wrong satellites.
My vote would have been for the goatse flag at 10:40, it’s very tasteful.
The lil snippet of Grizzly Hills music **chef's kiss**
Having a simple plan, but costing 10s of millions sound exactly spot on for government run initiatives
15:57 The Ukraine flag is actually supposed to be a blue sky over a wheat field.
Minimalist?
Painting?
I thought it was money laundering over corruption.
Now days 1/3 knows the symbolism of that flag
Omg I'm so happy you used an actual Bald Eagle call, thank you
It was tempting to use the classic falcon sound but I had to be authentic!
Congrats on 200k, keep up the great content. Also love the new hairstyle
Cheers big man!
ManyKudos: "Your job as a flag is to be rectangular."
Swiss flag: "A square is a type of rectangle!"
Nepal's flag:
10:52 If New Zealand became a Nordic nation (the stripes kinda remind me of the Nordic cross)
No it's more like if new Zealand joined the axis of power and stole the desing from germany
As an American, that bit about the guy in bootcamp putting a down payment on a Dodge Charger had me wheezing.
As an Australian I was very confused why the Australian flag kept showing up, thought you had a poorly paid editor off fiverr who didn't know the difference.
Glad I was eating at the time or that smug comment would have been me!
10:50 the flag you recognize but can’t remember is because it looks like the old German battle flag.
Wehrmarck (too lazy to google how wrong my typing was)
@@pihlajafox Not really. The Wehrmacht used the Reich war flag (Reichskriegsflagge), which was created by the German Empire and kept being used by the Weimar Republic and NSDAP Germany (when it was redesigned to be red and include the swastika). It was the "war flag" of the country, something that is almost entirely gone by now (a few countries still have one) but it was more common during the XIXth century.
3:38 "It's been rectangular... And that's all it really has to be, I suppose"
Nepal would like to have a word with you
It should have just been Internet Historian's face and a "RAID SHADOW LEGEND" advert in the bottom corner.
4:36
I was very almost an absolute twit.
New to the channel, and it was erking me.
Am now a subscriber.
My plan worked perfectly
Dude I’m an Aussie and you were tripping me out, was straight up thinking “did they steal our flag”😂
Smart move grabbing a sponsor that you'll end up doing a video on when they inevitably get shut down for fraud.
Thank goodness you didn’t mention the very popular “ kiwi farting rainbows ‘ flag .
At least your flag has the best name. Which I will forever call Big Juicy.
Really weird hearing Māori being pronounced right but I very much welcome it.
lol same
If the a and o aren't supposed to be prnounced seperately, why is there an accent over the a? (genuine question from a genuinely confused person)
@@juliamavroidi8601 Because translating languages that have seperated thousands of years ago into the roman alphabet is not an exact science lol, its just a bunch of conventions.
People cant even agree on how to write Russian in the latin alphabet and English itself is a massive inconsistent clusterfuck.
There needs to be some sort of theorem about finding swastikas in random things, cause they are inevitable in every single online thing.
I remember someone talking about that when they were explaining why people see among us crew mates everywhere.
I think it’s called paradolia. Or is that seeing human like traits in inanimate objects?
@@nicholaspeters9919 Isn't that personification?
@@JanglePangle Personification is more like actively giving an object human traits, like referring to a vehicle with feminine pronouns or calling a machine that isn’t working right a bastard. I was talking more about perception of shapes.
@@ablackbunny3149 Crewmates? You mean imposters, right?
I definitely would have voted for the laser kiwi flag, its just so perfect.
When the queen dies we should just make it a close up of the laser kiwis head so its just this kinda weird, awkward and vaguely intimidating flag
shes dead
Make the head big
Oh, that’s why that flag felt iconic, it was Australia’s flag.
10:59 LMAO
So disappointing the Peak flag lost tho, especially so fast, it's really pretty, and the amount of symbolism mashed into it is very impressive for it's overall simplicity.