he's smart but nothing he says seems especially deep, a lot of it is just the bravery to speak common sense. I am impressed by his honesty and his compassion when it comes to people actually affected by issues like trans. My main exposure to trans philosophy is all the ridiculous activism and attempts to bully the public into going along with the game, which often makes me forget that there are some people who actually want to be trans, but not in the activist/bullying way. I don't mind what individuals want to do with their own life, as long as they don't try to twist my ability to describe my own reality..
@@Mateo-et3wl I have watched many of his interviews since then and I agree with you now that he is a really great thinker. He is clear headed but also compassionate abot the read issues that lie at the heart of the Marxist wrapping paper. I might read some of his books. My girlfriend is listening to Madness of Crowds just now
This audience pretty much illustrates what Douglas was driving at. Though I think it was largely falling on somewhat deaf ears. The overly emotional, self obsessed, entitled mindset, was pretty clear. The audience was head shakingly ridiculous. So these are the educated thinking people of this generation are they? Good grief. They most certainly could do some work on being a little more terse, brief, and concise. They can can bang on and on for ten minutes and say virtually nothing. There might as well have just been Douglas and Maajid in the room.
spot on, mate. just to add to that, I think many if not most academic institutions promote not only that unfortunate way of thinking but also the type of person that's incapable of anything beyond it. logical, critical thinking and genuine individuals often find it hard to succeed in life both socially and academically. the mindless are privileged in a way.
@bat man Well, you are simply wrong. He changed his views once, and in the right direction ( from an islamist to someone who believes in and fights for democracy). That is what matters. And changing one's mind isn't a bad thing either.
@bat man That's a fair point, and you'll find quite a few people who are inconsistent with regards to Brexit. Has nothing to do with Islam. But I will note that Maajid was completely accepting of the Brexit vote at the start. He only changed his mind after the mess Theresa May made from it.
I'm noticing a worrying trend in society at the minute...this idea that everyone and their thoughts are equally valuable. I would very happily admit that I don't have the intellect of Douglas. Most of the audience seemed to want to just be heard....it seems very childish.
the only person who's intellect is one to gauge is our own. You do have just as much capability to have the intellect to think as anyone on that panel and the audience. The ability to articulate those thoughts can be developed by having a willing and receptive ear to voice the opinion to and doing so. The message is adjusted to appeal to the greatest number of relevant ears for the message delivered. The lauding of some individual for his ability to say the things that you find resonant is no assurance of those ideas being some way to rank the level a individual merits in a room full of people. That his words tickled your mindset is proof that you share a intellectual corridor in that line of thought which was expressed and so the willingness to subjugate your own intellect to his should not be how you value yourself. It is that his voice is one which has been deemed worthy of being amplified that differentiates his from anyone else's. Take the mic away and put him in a room where none are placed at the fore and perhaps his voice would not be heard. A example: Stephen Hawking - would his brilliance be recognized to the extent it had been in his lifetime had there not been a way to have his thoughts become known after his ailment overtaken his ability to express his thinking externally? Yours is the greatest mind you will ever know.
@@shwsrvcs This assumes we only share and have only ever shared the perspective of Douglas Murray. I've personally held many of the beliefs and intellectual corridors of the people both in the audience and who share the stage with Murray but I would say after many years of careful attention, Murrays perspective carrys the most resonance FOR A REASON. It's not just a happenstance that his ideas 'tickle my brain', It's that he's shed light on intellectually fertile ground where none other in the audience do. The audience members are pushing for the intellectual dead-ends, and those of us who recognize that are more open to Murray who points this out.
David Gonzales Yours is the greatest mind you will ever know? What kind of meaningless potato statement is that? Life is full of dummies and snakes. Stay away from dummies and snakes.
Majid is razor sharp in his argument and incredibly knowledgeable. Though he is leaning too far left for my taste. That might be why I like him so much; he is challenging my preconceived beliefs and is doing it more convincing than anybody else than I know of.
maajid seems... i wonder why. Its strange isnt it when ppl state a case with one wordbut with no reasons or facts behind them. It almost invalidates the time they spent typing it out.
I can sense Douglas Murray’s pain in this discussion. He is a brilliant guy and the questions from the audience mostly confirm his stance on Intersectionality
This is the reason i almost didn't pass university in Sweden. The feeling i get during this conversation is similar to my experience there. It's a feeling of continuously drowning. Like if i am struggling to breath. How all inspiration or passion towards your field slowly disappears and you are left empty, confused and disappointed in society. Now i am nearly 30, done with my studies and i need to join the work force but i know that this persists even there and that you are supposed to sit quietly and just absorb it. My experience through university has made me realise that the psychological torment of simply accepting everything been told to you and to accept these ideas is many times worse than any salary or any position can ever give me. So now i am left with two degrees from top universities but i find myself instead searching for a cashiers job so that i can simply be myself, to think for myself and most importantly to be able to be true to myself. There is no position, no power, no salary that i need. I simply need to be able to live with myself by being me.
intersectionality is trash modern feminism is trash identity politics is trash "positive" discrimination is trash reverse racism is just racism but individualism is progress big up Douglas Murray
Douglas Murray here looks bored out of his brilliant mind....how he didnt throw a snapper and leave the stage and go to the nearest pub I will never know....Possibly down to good manners....nice physique too 😍
Probably because mostly when audience members get up to ask a "question", they are merely using the question period as a chance to have their voice heard. I noticed this in just about every panel discussion I've ever watched. It's usually 10 mins of stating one's own views before the pointless question that was only an excuse to get up and speak.
yeah that women wasn't kidding about not being clear on what she was trying to say. They're all still virtue signalling while refusing to give people the dignity of recognising that we're all in control of our own lives. Majid even made the point that it's mostly white people who care about all this stuff and are trying hard to protect minorities, but the minorities want to focus on actual real world issues, and leave talk of race and victimisation by the wayside.
Alistair Stewart definitely some people who are considered to be a “minority” feel/think that way. However, there is an ever growing trend of people belonging to such classification as to take advantage of their victim hood. The proper identity today can be used in a way as to weaponise their own perceived victimhood onto other people smoking that intersectional narrative shit
The irony of this is that the speakers were forced to do that "intersectional" thing where they must sit silently and absorb the grievances of all the privileged identity groups in the audience --- at their own talk. Douglas at 49:35 :D
@@DanHowardMtl they also don't realise that the stuff they are saying is incredibly bog standard and obvious intersectionalist theory, and that we've already tried it in the public, and it is just making society worse for everyone (minority or otherwise)
Two pieces of advice for future conversations: -Force the audience to ask terse questions - no body wants to listen to them. -Get rid of uninteresting intruders like the chap in the middle. Douglas and Maajid are sufficiently interesting on their own. I takes a bit of intuition but it isn't hard to notice.
I enjoyed the panelists (huge admirer of Douglas & Maajid) but for god sake can their be a time limit on the questions? It is great that the audience wants to challenge the speakers but surely a question ends in about two minutes and not ten!
Its amazing to me, how ppl like you copy information, given to you and relay it so well, like the good little sheep youve done your job well but your masters will still want your wool and your meat.
"Speaking as" an American woman, I apologize for that last American woman who rudely interrupted, bullied and attempted to shout over the speakers, whilst spouting nonsense that the majority of us do not agree with. Anyone who views statistics seriously acknowledges that the "sound bites" like "black transwomen are killed daily" and "blacks are murdered systemically by the police" are inaccurate. "Black transwomen" are not being killed at a higher rate than similarly disenfranchised males, nor as a result of identity. Unfortunately, they often fall victim to crime WITHIN their low-income communities. More whites than blacks are killed by police. Statistically, the real underprivileged group is the 1 that's always suffered throughout history: the poor. Of course, I think fighting to improve the quality of life for minority groups is valid (I'm multiracial myself), but we don't need to lie to do that. We can show compassion without losing touch with reality.
You MUST understand me, you will NEVER understand me. This is exactly what makes intersectionality run against itself. Murray is correct in his analysis that This is a battering ram agains the west. Do we have the will to push against it?
I could listen to Douglas and Maajid all day. Jesus christ, that last woman though. She's more interested in hearing herself talk than Maajid's response to her question. I met Douglas once at a book signing. An incredibly curious and kind person.
I'd watch pretty much anything with Maajid and Douglas, and while I don't particularly want an audience that only lobs softball questions while blowing smoke up the panellists, Christ that crowd was insufferable.
Douglas Murray has an incredible ability to introduce another broader contextual layer to a system of interconnecting arguments. His role is similar to what Euler and Leibniz did to then-calculus.
Nattering feminist in the audience: “what do you say about Black Lives Matter and Times Up? These are real people don’t real work in the world!” Douglas Murray: “hmmmmm” 😂😂😂😂
The audience is a perfect example of what the panel is attempting to discuss. The shock started with Murray being outed after making a gay statement to qualify his “right” to make the comment. Just the wrong audience to understand the level of discussion.
Who knew maajid would bring up the manufactured oxymoron "Islamophobia" but naturally Christianophobia, Atheistophobia, Hinduophobia and Sikhophobia are not used as they would be as equally preposterous!
If the guests fly to Sweden for an appearance, maybe one stage tech could set up the lights, and the microphones with a sound check to balance the mike levels for the show, and the lights on the guests as well as the host. Power and privilege are obviously favoring the home team.
Why is England expected to home the world. Yet you go to Africa India Pakistan or any other country like that and no-one is forcing them to build churches to except the white world. Why is it the white world is having to give their lifestyles and history and culture up. People are free to come here but this is England and we have our own culture our own way of life, and if that isn't the type of life you want then you shouldn't Be here. Why is this such a bad thing. We have nowhere else to go, this is our only home.
When people say they're proud, they really mean they're not embarrassed. No one can be proud of being a race or a sexuality because these are not things we earn. We can only legitimately be proud of those positive qualities that we've developed ourselves. When pride is evoked as a reaction to oppression, it merely reverses the order of oppression, thereby continuing the cycle.
Brutus according to legend was not an escapee from Troy, at least not directly, but a descendant of Aeneas, Prince of Troy, the ancestor of Romulus and Remus. I know this is such a stickler point, but the fact that he got that incorrect bothered me.
Yes I agree.... the fact it’s still not widely known among the brits bothers me, and that he peddled it out as if we brits pin our identity on that part of history, when in fact it’s still pretty much hidden from the majority. The fall of Troy the ten tribes the khumry people (welsh) I didn’t understand what Damian was there for
This was such a rude crowd. I wish that they didn't do the Q & A not because I don't like free speech but I just felt like they were really touching on some interesting points I wanted them to continue
Nawab needs to keep it short or do his own thing he talked more than anyone pretty sure Bas just respectfully resigned from it and well Douglass said it all 90% body language, he really is a master!
I'm skipping through the other 2 fellas and looking for Douglas to speak, then I notice a Q & A scenario and @48:55 ol' Dougie looks like he's gonna slide off the chair into a deep sleep. How he endures these I have no idea
47 yr old white Canadian male😘 The thing I try hardest to make my 2, 20 something daughters grasp is the Absolute Miracle that they have at their finger tips..... In my youth I could go months without exposure to this kind of intellectual content....... Absolute Miracle
Correction, the Black Panther was a comic series written by Stan Lee (a white American man), then adapted into a live-action film by a black producers and some black writers. Likewise, the issues black people tended to have the Black Panther were different. It’s a fair point though - violence in succession.
The opportunity cost of Mr. Nawaz & Mr. Murray wasting their time and brilliant intellect with this group of “woke folks” as opposed to normal everyday Britons was quite high.
I doesn't matter when they do it. Obviously. When a man does it, it is an absolute act of reckless negligence, endangerment and the chap should be shamed and punished to the maximum. When a woman completely forgets and leaves a child in a pram outside a shop leaves by another entrance, and completely forgets the kid. Hey no sweat. These things happen. This actually happened to a good friend of mine. She got home and freaked out on HIM, convinced he had been looking after the kid. Until she remembered. THEN she got him to walk back down to town, to get the abandoned kid from outside the shop, as she refused, she said she was too embarrassed. Yeah, fuck my mate, who had to go and try to explain to the now crowd of angry baying shoppers and a police man. NO. I would have gone no where near her,let alone marry her. I gave him alternate advice. To no avail. Kind of typical though with many females.
Who's the genius who put the brilliant Douglas Murray in shadow? This conference is not only verbal but visual. Surely the Alpine Fellowship can do better.
This video is a wonderful discussion and deconstruction of “woke cancel culture” from three very diverse people in the presence of a “woke” audience....Excellent!
You can tell by the frantic rambling monologues and trembling voices that they do FEEL an awful lot when it comes to this topic though. As they say; facts don't matter but muh feelings do.
Did they ship in the Question time audience me me me me thinking they have the right view and were educated and had a lowering of original of thought, not all the audience but surely some.
From Chantal Delsol's *Unlearned Lessons of the 20th Century* The Czech dissidents of Charter 77, led by Jan Patocka, justified their fight against the Soviet regime less as a call for rights that had been trampled underfoot than as a demand for personal responsibility. Where does the pervasive injustice in communist society come from? It could never originate in the "system" alone, for even if the system is perverse, this does not necessarily mean that its victims are innocent. The line between good and evil does not run between mistreated subjects and the partisans who mistreat them; it runs through each one of them. The primary concern of the dissidents was therefore not to overthrow the power structure and replace the tyrants with their victims. It was rather to figure out what could be done to prevent today's victims from becoming tomorrow's tyrants, should they come to power. Their concern was not to take revenge on history, but to put an end to the Manichaean logic that the communist era had compounded.
I love the dum dum at the end who said that the speakers were making false binary arguments and then when she was given an example of an incredibly nuanced argument she decried that Maajid was focusing on too nuanced examples. I don't know if she meant this as a bad faith tactic to shut down debate or if she was just to practiced by ideological canned responses.
Why were there hardly any Swedes in the audience, just a few shrieking Anglo women who wouldn’t shut up, and a Scotsman who seemed not to understand what the debate was about.
I listened to only the first ten minutes. What a load of confused and incoherent twaddle from Maajid Nawaz and Damian Le Bas. The thought of having to listen to more than an hour more of that kind of stuff from them was just too much. There are many other very good talks with Douglas Murray without having others involved who are really third-rate "thinkers" and who are unable to hold a candle to him.
We have lowered our standards to such an extent in this country. The police. The army. The nhs. Everything. And now what do we get when we lower the standards just to tick the boxes. Corruption, mistakes,
douglas Murray " what if victimhood is just another form of power" . Absolutely brilliant.
Douglas Murray’s intelligence is intimidating and his articulation, compelling. I could listen to the man all day.
he's smart but nothing he says seems especially deep, a lot of it is just the bravery to speak common sense. I am impressed by his honesty and his compassion when it comes to people actually affected by issues like trans. My main exposure to trans philosophy is all the ridiculous activism and attempts to bully the public into going along with the game, which often makes me forget that there are some people who actually want to be trans, but not in the activist/bullying way. I don't mind what individuals want to do with their own life, as long as they don't try to twist my ability to describe my own reality..
@@Alistair you should read his books, he's quite a bit deeper than this video suggests
@@Mateo-et3wl I have watched many of his interviews since then and I agree with you now that he is a really great thinker. He is clear headed but also compassionate abot the read issues that lie at the heart of the Marxist wrapping paper. I might read some of his books. My girlfriend is listening to Madness of Crowds just now
I don't have time to listen him.
instablaster.
Douglas Murray is a deep and valuable mind . I treasure him .
Douglas Murray is among the most insightful commentators of our time.
The audience clearly has no idea what a question is.
43:57 Douglas, your body language says everthing about this debate and everyone else invloved, I can IDENTIFY with that.
I’m imagining Douglas thinking “Does every bloody thing on this pitiful planet have to do with Trump?!”
1:03:00 - The moment when Douglas is quietly thinking, “oh, the irony of this conversation escaping you both. You’ve just literally proved my point.”
Can anyone in the crowd just ask a direct question???
@resigned liberal Yes. The narcissism of conservatism is a bigger threat now than at almost any time in history.
their low IQ seemed to come too much in the way of organised thinking.
@@pseudonayme7717 no
They're swedes, so no
This audience pretty much illustrates what Douglas was driving at. Though I think it was largely falling on somewhat deaf ears. The overly emotional, self obsessed, entitled mindset, was pretty clear.
The audience was head shakingly ridiculous. So these are the educated thinking people of this generation are they? Good grief. They most certainly could do some work on being a little more terse, brief, and concise. They can can bang on and on for ten minutes and say virtually nothing.
There might as well have just been Douglas and Maajid in the room.
spot on, mate. just to add to that, I think many if not most academic institutions promote not only that unfortunate way of thinking but also the type of person that's incapable of anything beyond it. logical, critical thinking and genuine individuals often find it hard to succeed in life both socially and academically. the mindless are privileged in a way.
Completely agree. We all Feel and our feelings are real. Hahahaha
Moderator should have cut off the non questions as well as the multi questions.
@@gavinfoley103 OMG yes! how did he let them get away with that bullshit, such a waste of the panel's time (and mine).
Exactly what I was thinking!
Gotta love Maajid and Douglas, both are so damn insightful. Too bad they were both wasted on the audience though.
@bat man Well, you are simply wrong. He changed his views once, and in the right direction ( from an islamist to someone who believes in and fights for democracy).
That is what matters. And changing one's mind isn't a bad thing either.
@bat man
That's a fair point, and you'll find quite a few people who are inconsistent with regards to Brexit. Has nothing to do with Islam.
But I will note that Maajid was completely accepting of the Brexit vote at the start. He only changed his mind after the mess Theresa May made from it.
Head like a fuckin' what?
Maajid always plays the identity game especially on LBC rsdio
I'm noticing a worrying trend in society at the minute...this idea that everyone and their thoughts are equally valuable. I would very happily admit that I don't have the intellect of Douglas. Most of the audience seemed to want to just be heard....it seems very childish.
well spotted
the only person who's intellect is one to gauge is our own. You do have just as much capability to have the intellect to think as anyone on that panel and the audience. The ability to articulate those thoughts can be developed by having a willing and receptive ear to voice the opinion to and doing so. The message is adjusted to appeal to the greatest number of relevant ears for the message delivered. The lauding of some individual for his ability to say the things that you find resonant is no assurance of those ideas being some way to rank the level a individual merits in a room full of people.
That his words tickled your mindset is proof that you share a intellectual corridor in that line of thought which was expressed and so the willingness to subjugate your own intellect to his should not be how you value yourself. It is that his voice is one which has been deemed worthy of being amplified that differentiates his from anyone else's. Take the mic away and put him in a room where none are placed at the fore and perhaps his voice would not be heard. A example: Stephen Hawking - would his brilliance be recognized to the extent it had been in his lifetime had there not been a way to have his thoughts become known after his ailment overtaken his ability to express his thinking externally?
Yours is the greatest mind you will ever know.
@@shwsrvcs This assumes we only share and have only ever shared the perspective of Douglas Murray. I've personally held many of the beliefs and intellectual corridors of the people both in the audience and who share the stage with Murray but I would say after many years of careful attention, Murrays perspective carrys the most resonance FOR A REASON. It's not just a happenstance that his ideas 'tickle my brain', It's that he's shed light on intellectually fertile ground where none other in the audience do. The audience members are pushing for the intellectual dead-ends, and those of us who recognize that are more open to Murray who points this out.
David Gonzales Yours is the greatest mind you will ever know? What kind of meaningless potato statement is that?
Life is full of dummies and snakes. Stay away from dummies and snakes.
K Yours is the greatest comment I've ever known.
I could listen to Douglas & Majid all day, but what a dim audience.
@The Mad Baron How so? I think Murray is brilliant but don't know as much about Nawaz. The little I've seen of him is fairly impressive though.
Majid is razor sharp in his argument and incredibly knowledgeable. Though he is leaning too far left for my taste. That might be why I like him so much; he is challenging my preconceived beliefs and is doing it more convincing than anybody else than I know of.
But there is something wrong error in their speeches
Masjid seems skilfully duplicitous. Le Bas seems dim and irrelevant. Douglas shines.
Avi ben Ze'ev VERY perceptive, Avi. I'd watch out for him....he is up to something.
maajid seems... i wonder why. Its strange isnt it when ppl state a case with one wordbut with no reasons or facts behind them.
It almost invalidates the time they spent typing it out.
Quinn IsHappy I won't be rehashing his words here. Sharpen your perceptions and observe his "reasonableness".
Yup! Pretty much! I didn’t understand why Le Bas was even there. Maybe he was lit, just smokin up right beforehand?
@Anubhab Dutta thank you for revealing the type of human being you are, in just five words 👏🏼
👩🏻💻
Fast forward to Douglas Murray
He's the only one who contributed anything of worth, even Majiid Nawaz is starting to succumb to this identitarian nonsense.
I can sense Douglas Murray’s pain in this discussion. He is a brilliant guy and the questions from the audience mostly confirm his stance on Intersectionality
This is the reason i almost didn't pass university in Sweden. The feeling i get during this conversation is similar to my experience there. It's a feeling of continuously drowning. Like if i am struggling to breath. How all inspiration or passion towards your field slowly disappears and you are left empty, confused and disappointed in society. Now i am nearly 30, done with my studies and i need to join the work force but i know that this persists even there and that you are supposed to sit quietly and just absorb it. My experience through university has made me realise that the psychological torment of simply accepting everything been told to you and to accept these ideas is many times worse than any salary or any position can ever give me. So now i am left with two degrees from top universities but i find myself instead searching for a cashiers job so that i can simply be myself, to think for myself and most importantly to be able to be true to myself. There is no position, no power, no salary that i need. I simply need to be able to live with myself by being me.
Douglas is even more beautiful when he's bored
intersectionality is trash
modern feminism is trash
identity politics is trash
"positive" discrimination is trash
reverse racism is just racism
but
individualism is progress
big up Douglas Murray
Multiculturalism is trash and doesn't work
@@user-ep4jo1ev3j agreed
Its all feminism is trash not just modern even the poto-feminists in the middle ages.
@@pulsaran Are you against women voting?
@@blackmore4 nop. Im actualy for equal rights unlike ferminism.
The lady questioning whether or not Maajid was now “privileged” is a perfect example of how the ideology has gone too far. She proved their point .
Douglas Murray here looks bored out of his brilliant mind....how he didnt throw a snapper and leave the stage and go to the nearest pub I will never know....Possibly down to good manners....nice physique too 😍
I saw him first lol
Christ on a bike. That audience can waffle.
So glad it's not just me. I wanted Sam Harris on that stage. He's always really good at getting people to get to the point/question.
Probably because mostly when audience members get up to ask a "question", they are merely using the question period as a chance to have their voice heard. I noticed this in just about every panel discussion I've ever watched. It's usually 10 mins of stating one's own views before the pointless question that was only an excuse to get up and speak.
yeah that women wasn't kidding about not being clear on what she was trying to say. They're all still virtue signalling while refusing to give people the dignity of recognising that we're all in control of our own lives. Majid even made the point that it's mostly white people who care about all this stuff and are trying hard to protect minorities, but the minorities want to focus on actual real world issues, and leave talk of race and victimisation by the wayside.
@@shok24199 agreed, noticed that too on Jordan Peterson's q&a sessions
Alistair Stewart definitely some people who are considered to be a “minority” feel/think that way. However, there is an ever growing trend of people belonging to such classification as to take advantage of their victim hood. The proper identity today can be used in a way as to weaponise their own perceived victimhood onto other people smoking that intersectional narrative shit
The irony of this is that the speakers were forced to do that "intersectional" thing where they must sit silently and absorb the grievances of all the privileged identity groups in the audience --- at their own talk. Douglas at 49:35 :D
@@DanHowardMtl they also don't realise that the stuff they are saying is incredibly bog standard and obvious intersectionalist theory, and that we've already tried it in the public, and it is just making society worse for everyone (minority or otherwise)
@@Alistair They want to watch the world burn.
Two pieces of advice for future conversations:
-Force the audience to ask terse questions - no body wants to listen to them.
-Get rid of uninteresting intruders like the chap in the middle. Douglas and Maajid are sufficiently interesting on their own. I takes a bit of intuition but it isn't hard to notice.
Totally agree and next time have an audience with varied political views.
Agreed. Most people don't come to a debate to hear comments from some random person. They want to hear the speakers.
Only one thing is I love Douglas Murray & all he says. 🗣 👍💕he's 🎶 music 2 my ears. Sort of a William F Buckley. Amen
I enjoyed the panelists (huge admirer of Douglas & Maajid) but for god sake can their be a time limit on the questions? It is great that the audience wants to challenge the speakers but surely a question ends in about two minutes and not ten!
Ah, the manufactured narcissistic status of victimhood I, me, I am....
The audience are the middle class marxists problem, here in Britain.
Its amazing to me, how ppl like you copy information, given to you and relay it so well, like the good little sheep youve done your job well but your masters will still want your wool and your meat.
@300bpm its my sons, hes 10, he shares my profile and changed it. not creepy but thanks for your contribution.
The audience is insufferable.
Does my nation belong to them or to its own native population?
@Simon Tide whose a marxist? what are you talking about?
why are you so angry?
@@quinnishappy5309 have i upset you, because I've profiled you in my comment
Can’t listen to the Q&A it’s tedious
"Speaking as" an American woman, I apologize for that last American woman who rudely interrupted, bullied and attempted to shout over the speakers, whilst spouting nonsense that the majority of us do not agree with. Anyone who views statistics seriously acknowledges that the "sound bites" like "black transwomen are killed daily" and "blacks are murdered systemically by the police" are inaccurate. "Black transwomen" are not being killed at a higher rate than similarly disenfranchised males, nor as a result of identity. Unfortunately, they often fall victim to crime WITHIN their low-income communities. More whites than blacks are killed by police. Statistically, the real underprivileged group is the 1 that's always suffered throughout history: the poor. Of course, I think fighting to improve the quality of life for minority groups is valid (I'm multiracial myself), but we don't need to lie to do that. We can show compassion without losing touch with reality.
You MUST understand me, you will NEVER understand me.
This is exactly what makes intersectionality run against itself. Murray is correct in his analysis that This is a battering ram agains the west. Do we have the will to push against it?
One day they’re going to push the white man to far from the table they set
Awww I like when he takes his jacket off. Douglas is so cute
Great looking neck
I could listen to Douglas and Maajid all day. Jesus christ, that last woman though. She's more interested in hearing herself talk than Maajid's response to her question.
I met Douglas once at a book signing. An incredibly curious and kind person.
I'd watch pretty much anything with Maajid and Douglas, and while I don't particularly want an audience that only lobs softball questions while blowing smoke up the panellists, Christ that crowd was insufferable.
Sometimes I fear that too many people don't understand Douglas' vocabulary and that it prevents them from understanding the truths that he's sharing.
Nawaz still narcissistic as ever smh get to the points without making it about you. Shout out to Douglas for being sharp as usual!
Well That was painful. Panel were brilliant as usual
Douglas Murray has an incredible ability to introduce another broader contextual layer to a system of interconnecting arguments.
His role is similar to what Euler and Leibniz did to then-calculus.
I am going to see Douglas Murray next year in February in Ade.
Douglas Murray...sanity! The moderater is hopeless. Poor DM, I feel sorry for him and not allowed to talk.
By the way what the heck is meant by ´binary´. This is unbelievablly boring!
Nattering feminist in the audience: “what do you say about Black Lives Matter and Times Up? These are real people don’t real work in the world!”
Douglas Murray: “hmmmmm” 😂😂😂😂
I can't believe they're still bringing up 'Black Lives Matter'. Demonstrably nonsensical and demonstrably violent.
The audience is a perfect example of what the panel is attempting to discuss. The shock started with Murray being outed after making a gay statement to qualify his “right” to make the comment. Just the wrong audience to understand the level of discussion.
Douglas Murray - lack of money certainly is on ordinary ppl's minds.
Who knew maajid would bring up the manufactured oxymoron "Islamophobia" but naturally Christianophobia, Atheistophobia, Hinduophobia and Sikhophobia are not used as they would be as equally preposterous!
ok, this is it. where can I find a guy that looks like douglas?
Ditto #2
His house
Douglas Murray makes sense; the questions being asked, however, do not.
Very poorly moderated event
You don't say... probably one of the worst I've seen
As a lesbianI feel alarmed and distressed by Islam
Was this an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting? The bar is mentioned very often. :)
Funny !
Notice all the attacks are all based on emotion.
If the guests fly to Sweden for an appearance, maybe one stage tech could set up the lights, and the microphones with a sound check to balance the mike levels for the show, and the lights on the guests as well as the host. Power and privilege are obviously favoring the home team.
I came here to read the comments about the audience. I'm not disappointed.
a better title would have been: Maajid Nawaz and Douglas Murray beeing bothered by a room full of idiots
really enjoyed that :)
Why is England expected to home the world. Yet you go to Africa India Pakistan or any other country like that and no-one is forcing them to build churches to except the white world. Why is it the white world is having to give their lifestyles and history and culture up. People are free to come here but this is England and we have our own culture our own way of life, and if that isn't the type of life you want then you shouldn't Be here. Why is this such a bad thing. We have nowhere else to go, this is our only home.
When people say they're proud, they really mean they're not embarrassed. No one can be proud of being a race or a sexuality because these are not things we earn. We can only legitimately be proud of those positive qualities that we've developed ourselves. When pride is evoked as a reaction to oppression, it merely reverses the order of oppression, thereby continuing the cycle.
Brutus according to legend was not an escapee from Troy, at least not directly, but a descendant of Aeneas, Prince of Troy, the ancestor of Romulus and Remus. I know this is such a stickler point, but the fact that he got that incorrect bothered me.
Yes I agree.... the fact it’s still not widely known among the brits bothers me, and that he peddled it out as if we brits pin our identity on that part of history, when in fact it’s still pretty much hidden from the majority. The fall of Troy the ten tribes the khumry people (welsh) I didn’t understand what Damian was there for
"Catastrophizing". That woman does the perfect version. Women love this emotion.
The only decent one rhere was douglas.
Interesting subject. Horrible building. Pampered wuzz audience.
Douglas is facepalming pre-emptively at 0:55
To help with "microagressions" and associated B.S.!
Notice how the audience was batting away issues that didn't suit there
Douglas a real one
When listening to this, two obvious truths present themselves: (1) Douglas is brilliant (2) Masjid thinks he's brilliant.
This was such a rude crowd. I wish that they didn't do the Q & A not because I don't like free speech but I just felt like they were really touching on some interesting points I wanted them to continue
the moderator really needed to jump on those speech questions sooner.
The presenter didnt seem to want douglas to answer
Facts dont give a duck about feelings
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Good discussion.
They omitted 'Former terrorist ' in the introduction for Maajid Nawaz.
Nawab needs to keep it short or do his own thing he talked more than anyone pretty sure Bas just respectfully resigned from it and well Douglass said it all 90% body language, he really is a master!
Comments about Churchill are spot on.
I'm skipping through the other 2 fellas and looking for Douglas to speak, then I notice a Q & A scenario and @48:55 ol' Dougie looks like he's gonna slide off the chair into a deep sleep. How he endures these I have no idea
47 yr old white Canadian male😘
The thing I try hardest to make my 2, 20 something daughters grasp is the Absolute Miracle that they have at their finger tips.....
In my youth I could go months without exposure to this kind of intellectual content.......
Absolute Miracle
Correction, the Black Panther was a comic series written by Stan Lee (a white American man), then adapted into a live-action film by a black producers and some black writers.
Likewise, the issues black people tended to have the Black Panther were different. It’s a fair point though - violence in succession.
The opportunity cost of Mr. Nawaz & Mr. Murray wasting their time and brilliant intellect with this group of “woke folks” as opposed to normal everyday Britons was quite high.
I hope the vast majority of the audience was able to ducked as the brilliance of the panel went screaming over their heads.
The amount of women who forget their babies seems to be ignored because they’re allowed to laugh at their forgetfulness. Crazy world
I doesn't matter when they do it. Obviously. When a man does it, it is an absolute act of reckless negligence, endangerment and the chap should be shamed and punished to the maximum.
When a woman completely forgets and leaves a child in a pram outside a shop leaves by another entrance, and completely forgets the kid. Hey no sweat. These things happen.
This actually happened to a good friend of mine. She got home and freaked out on HIM, convinced he had been looking after the kid. Until she remembered. THEN she got him to walk back down to town, to get the abandoned kid from outside the shop, as she refused, she said she was too embarrassed. Yeah, fuck my mate, who had to go and try to explain to the now crowd of angry baying shoppers and a police man.
NO. I would have gone no where near her,let alone marry her. I gave him alternate advice. To no avail.
Kind of typical though with many females.
Majid Nawaz is a snake in the grass.
This lady at @54 mins is very insulting. She has an striking sense of entitlement.
Power only becomes an issue for most people when they don't have enough food.
Who's the genius who put the brilliant Douglas Murray in shadow? This conference is not only verbal but visual. Surely the Alpine Fellowship can do better.
This video is a wonderful discussion and deconstruction of “woke cancel culture” from three very diverse people in the presence of a “woke” audience....Excellent!
Perhaps next time you can give your biggest speaker more light and a working microphone.
i cant even understand what the audience speakers are even saying its just a bunch of gibberish
You can tell by the frantic rambling monologues and trembling voices that they do FEEL an awful lot when it comes to this topic though. As they say; facts don't matter but muh feelings do.
Identity politics will be out undoing.
Did they ship in the Question time audience me me me me thinking they have the right view and were educated and had a lowering of original of thought, not all the audience but surely some.
From Chantal Delsol's *Unlearned Lessons of the 20th Century*
The Czech dissidents of Charter 77, led by Jan Patocka, justified their fight against the Soviet regime less as a call for rights that had been trampled underfoot than as a demand for personal responsibility. Where does the pervasive injustice in communist society come from? It could never originate in the "system" alone, for even if the system is perverse, this does not necessarily mean that its victims are innocent. The line between good and evil does not run between mistreated subjects and the partisans who mistreat them; it runs through each one of them. The primary concern of the dissidents was therefore not to overthrow the power structure and replace the tyrants with their victims. It was rather to figure out what could be done to prevent today's victims from becoming tomorrow's tyrants, should they come to power. Their concern was not to take revenge on history, but to put an end to the Manichaean logic that the communist era had compounded.
55:00 “I have a lot of questions but don’t know how to fully articulate them. You don’t know this but I do” hahah also not a question ! Ugh I’m out.
Maajid Nawaz improved the ending with the audience, seeing things from different viewpoints.
'Erm', 'Sort of', 'You know', How deeply fluent.
There's a good episode in South Park here.
Did Maajid lose his luggage or spill a drink on his suit?
@the lacelioness Yes, but he never dresses that way he's usually very dapper.
V neck tee shirt says a lot about a fella.
I love the dum dum at the end who said that the speakers were making false binary arguments and then when she was given an example of an incredibly nuanced argument she decried that Maajid was focusing on too nuanced examples. I don't know if she meant this as a bad faith tactic to shut down debate or if she was just to practiced by ideological canned responses.
Kansas City is a very liveable place. And I’m from NY
These people are not good at formulating a question instead they go on to rant. This is Question and Answer not a Vent My Feeling.
Why were there hardly any Swedes in the audience, just a few shrieking Anglo women who wouldn’t shut up, and a Scotsman who seemed not to understand what the debate was about.
Just ask a question, damn you!
Seemed to be similar to "Men dying and Women most affected" imo
I listened to only the first ten minutes. What a load of confused and incoherent twaddle from Maajid Nawaz and Damian Le Bas. The thought of having to listen to more than an hour more of that kind of stuff from them was just too much. There are many other very good talks with Douglas Murray without having others involved who are really third-rate "thinkers" and who are unable to hold a candle to him.
We have lowered our standards to such an extent in this country. The police. The army. The nhs. Everything. And now what do we get when we lower the standards just to tick the boxes. Corruption, mistakes,