Season one is extraordinary, season two is best, season 3 is good, season four is missing something else(Harry Wells) , season five is awesome, after that tragedy
90% of all Barry vs Thawne interactions-especially when, no disrespect for Matt Letscher, Tom Cavanagh is portraying Thawne-are absolutely electric. Tom and Grant just have incredible chemistry. They bring out the best in each other.
Flash almost pleads with him to find out why he hates him so much. And he just answers "it doesn't matter." That says everything about reverse flash. It doesn't matter if it's a version of him from a different timeline, or the past or future. He hates Barry down to his core.
When the writers have dialogue and response that says “doesnt matter” to such a pivotal and important question, and the protagonist not only accepts that mediocre answer but never brings it up again for 9 more seasons…thats when you know since day 1 this show was written by amateurs working for a garbage network like the CW who should have Never ever been given a single right to any DC characters to butcher.
@@Ryvaken Where did i say DC did it better? I am very confused can you show me proof where i said that? DC in totality is garbage from top to bottom. The fact that they entrusted their IPs to a sac of shit network like CW should tell you everything you need to know. But what you have to understand is that those dumbasses had excellent source material from the comics and they shat all over it. Thawne was Flash’s biggest fan. All he wanted to do was become the Flash. He created a paradox in on itself by making himself a speedster and going back in time to meet his hero, but as he went back, his color of suit reversed, his brain activity was affected by the massive time jump and that being done so soon when he just got his powers, and he arrived in the past realizing he has inadvertently become a self-fulfilled prophecy by assuming the role of the Flash’s biggest villain, & Barry, who didnt know any better, just treated him as he would treat his biggest enemy and thus their battle began. This creates an entanglement that can only be resolved at the birth of the paradox. But can the CW writers fathom anything close to that? No of course not. Theyre too busy stuffing the show with woke garbage and Virtue signalling. Get it? Virtue signalling. Virtue. Fuck you CW.
The scary part is, I'm sure Thawne was truly honest and genuine in this moment and meant every word about letting Barry save his mother, stop him and even on some level, let go of his hatred for Barry. However his future self knew of what would happen if someone were to change the course of time, the ripple effect it would have. Damn shame
Ok don't save your mom just let Eobard Thawne go home. We all should go home. Never keep someone held captive even if that person is pure evil. Let him go home.
so we can say that in the final season Barry (s9) forgives Thawne and understands that the end point of his story with him, while Thawne understands and wants to be forgiven by Barry (s1) in the first season, only this Barry (s1) is too angry to understand the change.
Tbf, it was always going to be some batshit crazy stuff that probably wouldn't matter in any concrete way to Barry outside of showing Thawne is crazy. Not like Barry will hear "I setup a bunch of people to die and you saved them taking my thunder" and go oh I was the one who messed up, you aren't a totally unreasonable insane person.
The best part is that Thawne’s reason in the comics for hating Barry is so cool and complex. He becomes the Flash in the distant future but because everything is managed and planned and whatnot there’s no crime to stop or opportunities for him to save people. Thawne gets upset that he has no one to save with a crowd to make an impression on so he starts pushing people off buildings or in the way of engineered disasters for the Flash (him) to “save”. He eventually learns that he is never destined to become a hero but instead the Reverse Flash, defined not as a hero but as the greatest enemy of The real Flash. This realization drives him crazy and sparks his hatred of Barry.
The actor that played Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash deserves awards for the first 3 seasons! He was so great as a villain, and it’s amazing how he can perform 3 COMPLETELY different characters in one show. It was just so impressive.
"What if you were to suffer a tragedy. What if you were to suffer something so traumatic that your child self could never recover. Then you could not become the Flash." Thawne must be from a timeline where no one ever figures out who Batman is after his death. Or a timeline where Batman just doesn't exist.
id like to think it this way, thawne made him, he was destined to travel back in time kill Barry's mom, then lose his power and make the flash so he can go back. whatever he does fate will fck him up til he travels back in time and fulfill his destiny.
@@ramsesiv5342 No, Thawne mentioned when he was about to kill Wells that the particle accelerator was originally supposed to be finished in 2020. Plus, there was also the 2024 news article detailing Crisis and Flash's disappearance. Thawne did alter a lot from the timeline he came from.
they did, regular harrison wells made the particle accelerator and it blew up a couple years later than RF did after that RF got jealous and recreated the experiment that happened to barry and it gave him the same powers, he traveled through time and saw that he was destined to become one of flashes main villains, after that he went crazy and fought flash until he went back in time, tried to stop barry from ever becoming the flash and then realizing when he removed the flash, he removed the reason why he got his powers, so now he needs barry to become the flash and help him get back to the future
Tom Cavanagh was rushed to the hospital after his back gave out from carrying The Flash franchise on his shoulders for so long. Doctors say he's recovering well, but he's still grumbling about Cisco's puns and Barry's constant need for saving.
You know i read that in the comics the reason why Eobard killed Barry's mom is because he lost his own mother as a kid and wanted to give Barry the same childhood tragedy that he had as part of his revenge.
He killed her because in the future they are enemies so Thawne goes to the past and tries to kill barry but barry comes to the past as well and saves his past self so Thawne decides to just kill Barry's mother, Nora.
He killed her because in the future they are enemies so Thawne goes to the past and tries to kill barry but barry comes to the past as well and saves his past self so Thawne decides to just kill Barry's mother, Nora.
@@danielhagos1985 that would lead to the orginal timeline never happening because he became the flash during 2020 was not in a coma just had a little blackout but woke up found out he had powers then went to star labs Harrison wells the original one and Cisco and caitlin and his Harrison wells wife tess Morgan made the particle accelerator in 2020 then Cisco made him the suit the s2 suit but it was a bright red suit then he was all alone fighting crime by himself and the particle accelerator went successful then later he was know as the flash for 4 years then eborad came liked the flash and became went to the crowd to save everyone but barry took it from him then eborad was mad and wanted revenge Then 2024 came barry, oliver ,ray,kendra were there to fight him then later on the flash and reverse flash power got combined by a gasoline that made the red sky then both went to the past barry save his younger self and thawne killed his mom instead that's why he thought barry would never become the flash then thawne was stuck while barry vanish Oh also he married iris and had two kids name dwan and don who were twins and joe was his father in law yes and was the cisi CCPD director
I feel this Thawne was a bit repentive, he had lived so long looking over Barry that he saw his hate was all for not, but it was already too late. No matter what, a version of him would come and haunt Barry, so he had no choice but to correct what he did and "create" The Flash, and justify it as a way to get home, but in esence, he had given up a long time ago and decided to do one thing he would never do willingly: Give Barry a win one way or another: save his mother or stop him, either one leads to The Flash.
Thawne kinda paradox’d himself. If Barry never becomes the Flash, then he wouldn’t harness the Negative Speedforce because there was no drive to do and the Speedforce have to exist so the Negative Speedforce can exist.
Problem with what your saying is that one did exist without the other. Barry unintentionally killed the Positive Speedforce shortly after Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Negative Speedforce didn't die.
@@joeyellis850 One doesn’t die when the other dies. My original comment wasn’t about the actual forces existing. Instead, it’s about Thawne’s motivation. But the negative forces are a bit quirky. Apparently, timeline-changes doesn’t affect the negative Speedforce. So back the the original question. Yes, the positive and negative Speedforce do co-exist but I don’t think that are connected. One can die, and it does mess with the balance but I think the universe always correct itself so it eventually comes back to live.
then they retcon it from "I idolized you only to travel back in time and realise we were destined to be enemies" the flash museum origin story from the comics changing it to "I created my own speedforce and then you embarrassed me by saving the day when I was going to reveal myself."
I felt this guy should have been casted as the actual reverse flash. He fits perfectly than the guy they use and the guy they used should have been Harrison wells. If they did that. Reverse flash would have gained more recognition and would have created more strong plot throughout the flash series.
I’m the complete opposite. This version becomes so cartoonish later however the writing for the original Eobard was great for all his appearances. Even when he was on Legends
Yeah no. Matt is way more comic accurate until season 8 where they give Tom that ugly ass suit. Plus Tom has never actually felt like Thawne. Even in season 9 he's just an evil Wells except now everyone knows his real name.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. You say that because Matt was given the script to play him as a major role. For me Tom has the comical feel as well. I feel he would have created a new acceptable version of the flash that can be casted in the comic series. Like what Robert downey junior did to iron man, or what stephen armell did to green arrow if he was main casted and the scripts where changed to blend with his personality. Not that season 8 fiasco. Still good though.
I wish UA-cam created a poll section in the comments for this kind of thing so we can all vote about stuffs such as this. You tube I hope you are reading this.
The is what I don’t get, if thawne is born 136 years from 2014 how is Barry even alive? Thawne says that he was Barry’s best admirer than tries to become like him which results in him finding out they are destined to be enemies, this would mean Barry is still alive 100 years into the future
Barry time travelled to the future and accidentally saved the crowd thawne was supposed to. So he got the credit and thawne was upset and embraced his destiny to be reverse flashm
136 years from now never made sense since Thawne in the comics and show was known to be from the 25th century. In the first comic he was introduced, it was stated he was from the year 2463.
The first seasons where goated! I thought at first it was gonna be trash but they got everything right. Arrow was my main show then I quickly started with making flash my number 1
My theory is that, what if somehow the original timeline where eobard was from still exist and then they both fix it. Eobard went back to the day he was before he travelled back in time and prevent him from doing so, and barry returned to the time where the two of them fought, stopping the speedsters involved before thawne arrives in the future where he's from, completely resetting the timeline back to how it's supposed to be in RF's timeline.
Because it partially works off emotion and memory. The exact version of the timeline that he originally comes from doesn't exist anymore so he can't go back. The time stream has nothing to cross reference with his memories. That's why he needed the time sphere cuz I guess it works differently I mean, it can take you to the Vanishing Point which is like outside of time, or before time or after it whatever.
When Thawne stopped Barry from becoming the Flash he damaged his own ability to use the Speedforce himself because The Flash is the reason he gained speed himself. While he could still use it somewhat, he couldn't maintain his connection to it enough to good back to the future.
What if: Barry's mother never died and his dad never went to prison in an alternate timeline? His parents would be alive and well. But that would also mean he would lose his speed. Thus, never becoming The Flash. So, the choice is Barry's: His parents whom he claims to love so much. Or, being The Flash?
That was actually the OG timeline (OG Barry's parents never died and he became the Flash in 2020) it all eventually leads to RF killing his mother creating the alternate timeline the Flash show is set in
You gotta feel bad for Reverse flash no matter how hard you try to change Berry's destiny there's just some things you can't change! If anything he made the flash stronger to self preserve no matter what. Just like Batman dark night rises Bane broke Batman, but he still came back he still defeated bane you can't beat a hero if they still have something to fight for. Think about in the final season Barry Allen had the option to save his mother over again and he chose to let her diethat is some serious self-preservation because he knows what is good for the better good Sometimes you have to lose to win and move on from tragedy! I always loved the deep story of the flash and Arrow in some ways that makes both shows better than smallville.
Dont worry guys. The reason he ACTUALLY killed his mom was because barry saved ppl he was going to and thawne got mad and swore vengence. The fucked up our boy
Kavanaugh played harry wells. A scientist. The other actor played thawne. He changed his appearance to look like harry wells. There are two actors because there are two separate characters. I think they realised how well kavanaugh played a villain they could have changed the story by making him the original thawne but they would have had to reshoot it and the cw doesn’t like to spend.
Matt Letscher represents two versions of OG Thawne, the primary version prior to permanently assimilating the DNA of Harrison Wells and the diverged Time-Remnant copy that went on his own path following Barry's Flashpoint changes. Tom Cavanaugh represents "Wells"-Thawne, obviously the primary version (doesn't have memories his Time-Remnant counterpart does from Barry's Flashpoint interference onward) that makes the irreversible choice taking upon the visage of Harrison Wells to ensure Barry became the Flash.
SHADOW AND BONE S3 2:01-1:28-1:29 RHIAN:I LOSE MY ABILITIES AND I WAS SO MAD 2:03-2:04 DARK HERETIC SCREAMING CAUSE HE LOSE HIS ABILITIES FOR 15 YEARS HE WAS IMMORTAL
Because Thawne traveled back from his time to meet the flash in his prime. Before Thawne met Barry, Thawne would read stories about the flash then he wanted to be like the flash
Another question is, if he could travel back in time. Why didn't he travel back to when Barry first showed up and kill the untrained version then and there.
I feel this thawn is only good in this season And the series really should have only had past versions of him come maybe once a season to fuck with Barry a little showing the rivalry build to a boiling point. Cause showing versions of this thawn that chronologically exist after this point cheapens this moment of thawn kind of having accepted this Barry and forming that full love hate relationship
Was the reason thawne lost his speed because he technically changed his own future as well since if Barry never becomes the flash thawne never aspires to become like Barry, so his obsession with trying to make his own speed force doesn’t happen since the catalyst for him trying to become a speedster was because he looked up to the flash?
@@amanhasnousername1614 no because Barry is still alive and thawne did lose his speed but he built a chair that was able to prevent the rest of the speed force in him from disappearing. He only had a limited amount of it left and he was facing a Barry who was very weak so to future thawne past barry is not a threat and didn’t need to use a lot of speed force to beat him since that Barry had no clue how to use the speed force
Nothing is original anymore!LOL!The only miss opportunity is barry seeing the real young thawne in the actual future!So yeah we don't even know if we symphatize his backsotry anymore here.
we are just not gona point out that time traveling back to change something is already a part of history? Its like a self fulfilling prophecy or else its gona be a time paradox?
This doesn't make sense, help me 1: how does Baryy live normally and as a hero 136 years from then, if i understand it correclty Iris lives there aswell. 2: how does Barry become the flash the first time, without the flash no one would know about the speed force and Thawn would never try to get ahold of fake speed.
The best series i ever saw, literally every season, but this video has many mistakes. Also, Thawne looks like Pennywise in this scene. These comments are disgusting
Wait I don't understand. If he was born 150 years after this. Then how does he know Barry .Is it that Barry lives to be 150 years or was Barry born 150 years after this like thawne
You gotta think about it like this: Eobard became RF bc he was inspired by, wanted to be, and copied the powers of the Flash, and was able to access the speed force. But if the Flash never existed then he wouldn't have had access to the speed force so he had to recreate him 😄
@@joshfactor1 oh okay I get what you're saying, I've had to wrap my beard around what he could be saying, I'm pretty sure Flash ages slower in general but on top of that it could be that him and Flash have traveled to the future/past so many times for so many years that it's the equivalent of centuries
Honestly. Thawne is pathetic. So he comes all the way from the future so he could destroy Barry's life. End,s up making Barry a speedster like him and helping him. Then in the end he looses and didn't get what he has wanted to get for 15 years.Sad
I loved watching this show but it will forever not make sense. Why kill his mother when Barry is 11 when he could of ran back to before Barry was born and kill her there. It’s just bullshit
First few seasons were truly the best
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Season one is extraordinary, season two is best, season 3 is good, season four is missing something else(Harry Wells) , season five is awesome, after that tragedy
Soooo true
@@evolution6106wuwueueueueu27262 y 2u2
The first 2 seasons were absolutely best
Season 1 was genuinely one of the best seasons of any show I have ever seen
90% of all Barry vs Thawne interactions-especially when, no disrespect for Matt Letscher, Tom Cavanagh is portraying Thawne-are absolutely electric. Tom and Grant just have incredible chemistry. They bring out the best in each other.
@@perrycarters3113I’d say Matt was a better Thawne and Tom was a better Reverse Flash
I agree
Flash almost pleads with him to find out why he hates him so much. And he just answers "it doesn't matter."
That says everything about reverse flash. It doesn't matter if it's a version of him from a different timeline, or the past or future. He hates Barry down to his core.
When the writers have dialogue and response that says “doesnt matter” to such a pivotal and important question, and the protagonist not only accepts that mediocre answer but never brings it up again for 9 more seasons…thats when you know since day 1 this show was written by amateurs working for a garbage network like the CW who should have Never ever been given a single right to any DC characters to butcher.
@@Captain_Beemo_ You say that like DC did it any better. This is classic comic book villain. He's a villain so that the story has a villain.
@@Ryvaken Where did i say DC did it better? I am very confused can you show me proof where i said that? DC in totality is garbage from top to bottom. The fact that they entrusted their IPs to a sac of shit network like CW should tell you everything you need to know.
But what you have to understand is that those dumbasses had excellent source material from the comics and they shat all over it. Thawne was Flash’s biggest fan. All he wanted to do was become the Flash. He created a paradox in on itself by making himself a speedster and going back in time to meet his hero, but as he went back, his color of suit reversed, his brain activity was affected by the massive time jump and that being done so soon when he just got his powers, and he arrived in the past realizing he has inadvertently become a self-fulfilled prophecy by assuming the role of the Flash’s biggest villain, & Barry, who didnt know any better, just treated him as he would treat his biggest enemy and thus their battle began.
This creates an entanglement that can only be resolved at the birth of the paradox.
But can the CW writers fathom anything close to that? No of course not. Theyre too busy stuffing the show with woke garbage and Virtue signalling. Get it? Virtue signalling. Virtue. Fuck you CW.
@@Captain_Beemo_but they do answer the question when the younger Eobard shows up season 2. So they did answer it
@@makisbizarreadventure4669 I dont even remember how they explained it
The scary part is, I'm sure Thawne was truly honest and genuine in this moment and meant every word about letting Barry save his mother, stop him and even on some level, let go of his hatred for Barry. However his future self knew of what would happen if someone were to change the course of time, the ripple effect it would have. Damn shame
Ok don't save your mom just let Eobard Thawne go home. We all should go home. Never keep someone held captive even if that person is pure evil. Let him go home.
@@calebgraham6166there’s always killing him that’s an option go full Punisher baby
so we can say that in the final season Barry (s9) forgives Thawne and understands that the end point of his story with him, while Thawne understands and wants to be forgiven by Barry (s1) in the first season, only this Barry (s1) is too angry to understand the change.
@@dayvonlouis5187this is dc. Red hood is the name you're looking for😂
@@calebgraham6166"Never keep someone held captive even if that person is pure evil. Let him go home."
Predators and murderers:
Literally the reason for the entire story...
"It doesnt matter" 😂
Tbf, it was always going to be some batshit crazy stuff that probably wouldn't matter in any concrete way to Barry outside of showing Thawne is crazy. Not like Barry will hear "I setup a bunch of people to die and you saved them taking my thunder" and go oh I was the one who messed up, you aren't a totally unreasonable insane person.
The best part is that Thawne’s reason in the comics for hating Barry is so cool and complex. He becomes the Flash in the distant future but because everything is managed and planned and whatnot there’s no crime to stop or opportunities for him to save people. Thawne gets upset that he has no one to save with a crowd to make an impression on so he starts pushing people off buildings or in the way of engineered disasters for the Flash (him) to “save”. He eventually learns that he is never destined to become a hero but instead the Reverse Flash, defined not as a hero but as the greatest enemy of The real Flash. This realization drives him crazy and sparks his hatred of Barry.
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I used to be addicted to this
Fortunately you got better
Same
Same but only 1-4 and s09
I was addicted to this show every episode every season I always watch it no matter where I'm at I tune in to look at it
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Thawne was a great villain because he had an emotional conflict with Barry. None of the other villains had great story arcs like thawne did.
Hunter zolomon in the show tried real hard to get to this level but it somewhat fell short.
The actor that played Harrison Wells/Reverse Flash deserves awards for the first 3 seasons! He was so great as a villain, and it’s amazing how he can perform 3 COMPLETELY different characters in one show. It was just so impressive.
"What if you were to suffer a tragedy. What if you were to suffer something so traumatic that your child self could never recover. Then you could not become the Flash."
Thawne must be from a timeline where no one ever figures out who Batman is after his death. Or a timeline where Batman just doesn't exist.
I wish they would’ve explained how Future Barry would’ve became the flash originally before he made Barry the flash
id like to think it this way, thawne made him, he was destined to travel back in time kill Barry's mom, then lose his power and make the flash so he can go back. whatever he does
fate will fck him up til he travels back in time and fulfill his destiny.
it's a bootstrap paradox, it doesn't really have an explanation.
@@ramsesiv5342 No, Thawne mentioned when he was about to kill Wells that the particle accelerator was originally supposed to be finished in 2020. Plus, there was also the 2024 news article detailing Crisis and Flash's disappearance. Thawne did alter a lot from the timeline he came from.
the same way as this one dose just later lightning hits the chemicals triggering his meta gene
they did, regular harrison wells made the particle accelerator and it blew up a couple years later than RF did
after that RF got jealous and recreated the experiment that happened to barry and it gave him the same powers, he traveled through time and saw that he was destined to become one of flashes main villains, after that he went crazy and fought flash until he went back in time, tried to stop barry from ever becoming the flash and then realizing when he removed the flash, he removed the reason why he got his powers, so now he needs barry to become the flash and help him get back to the future
Tom Cavanagh was rushed to the hospital after his back gave out from carrying The Flash franchise on his shoulders for so long. Doctors say he's recovering well, but he's still grumbling about Cisco's puns and Barry's constant need for saving.
You know i read that in the comics the reason why Eobard killed Barry's mom is because he lost his own mother as a kid and wanted to give Barry the same childhood tragedy that he had as part of his revenge.
That's not why he killed Barry's mother
He killed her because in the future they are enemies so Thawne goes to the past and tries to kill barry but barry comes to the past as well and saves his past self so Thawne decides to just kill Barry's mother, Nora.
He killed her because in the future they are enemies so Thawne goes to the past and tries to kill barry but barry comes to the past as well and saves his past self so Thawne decides to just kill Barry's mother, Nora.
@@danielhagos1985 that would lead to the orginal timeline never happening because he became the flash during 2020 was not in a coma just had a little blackout but woke up found out he had powers then went to star labs Harrison wells the original one and Cisco and caitlin and his Harrison wells wife tess Morgan made the particle accelerator in 2020 then Cisco made him the suit the s2 suit but it was a bright red suit then he was all alone fighting crime by himself and the particle accelerator went successful then later he was know as the flash for 4 years then eborad came liked the flash and became went to the crowd to save everyone but barry took it from him then eborad was mad and wanted revenge
Then 2024 came barry, oliver ,ray,kendra were there to fight him then later on the flash and reverse flash power got combined by a gasoline that made the red sky then both went to the past barry save his younger self and thawne killed his mom instead that's why he thought barry would never become the flash then thawne was stuck while barry vanish
Oh also he married iris and had two kids name dwan and don who were twins and joe was his father in law yes and was the cisi CCPD director
I feel this Thawne was a bit repentive, he had lived so long looking over Barry that he saw his hate was all for not, but it was already too late. No matter what, a version of him would come and haunt Barry, so he had no choice but to correct what he did and "create" The Flash, and justify it as a way to get home, but in esence, he had given up a long time ago and decided to do one thing he would never do willingly: Give Barry a win one way or another: save his mother or stop him, either one leads to The Flash.
The reverse flash and zoom were the real deal in this franchise
You forgetting the Future Flash; God of Speed
@@dylanjamu2590Trash character
The scariest villain The Flash had was Clyde Martin 🥶
Thawne kinda paradox’d himself.
If Barry never becomes the Flash, then he wouldn’t harness the Negative Speedforce because there was no drive to do and the Speedforce have to exist so the Negative Speedforce can exist.
Like how good can’t exist without evil and evil can’t exist without good.
Problem with what your saying is that one did exist without the other. Barry unintentionally killed the Positive Speedforce shortly after Crisis on Infinite Earths. The Negative Speedforce didn't die.
@@joeyellis850
One doesn’t die when the other dies.
My original comment wasn’t about the actual forces existing. Instead, it’s about Thawne’s motivation.
But the negative forces are a bit quirky. Apparently, timeline-changes doesn’t affect the negative Speedforce.
So back the the original question.
Yes, the positive and negative Speedforce do co-exist but I don’t think that are connected. One can die, and it does mess with the balance but I think the universe always correct itself so it eventually comes back to live.
So how is Barry here alive(not erased) because he's like this coz of Thawnes doing 🤷 he gave him his speed
@@blessingsmpunga2136 I don't understand your question there. Why would Barry be erased because Thawne helped him get his speed?
I like how thawne corrects barry when barry said in the future to in a future because the future changed.
“It doesn’t matter”. What a cop out by the writers
Bro what they explained it in the next season 😂
then they retcon it from "I idolized you only to travel back in time and realise we were destined to be enemies" the flash museum origin story from the comics
changing it to
"I created my own speedforce and then you embarrassed me by saving the day when I was going to reveal myself."
Love this comment.
I think they merged those 2 origins for this Show.
Honestly, both origin stories are pretty pathetic when you think about it
I blame the new writers
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That’s what makes him a great character
If only later seasons maintained this quality of writing
I felt this guy should have been casted as the actual reverse flash. He fits perfectly than the guy they use and the guy they used should have been Harrison wells. If they did that. Reverse flash would have gained more recognition and would have created more strong plot throughout the flash series.
He's more scary as the flash. I feel tensed as him being the flash. I can't take the other guy seriously.
I’m the complete opposite. This version becomes so cartoonish later however the writing for the original Eobard was great for all his appearances. Even when he was on Legends
Yeah no. Matt is way more comic accurate until season 8 where they give Tom that ugly ass suit. Plus Tom has never actually felt like Thawne. Even in season 9 he's just an evil Wells except now everyone knows his real name.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. You say that because Matt was given the script to play him as a major role. For me Tom has the comical feel as well. I feel he would have created a new acceptable version of the flash that can be casted in the comic series. Like what Robert downey junior did to iron man, or what stephen armell did to green arrow if he was main casted and the scripts where changed to blend with his personality. Not that season 8 fiasco. Still good though.
I wish UA-cam created a poll section in the comments for this kind of thing so we can all vote about stuffs such as this. You tube I hope you are reading this.
It’s sad, because Thawne hates a version of Barry that doesn’t exist anymore
Man! I had forgotten how amazing this show was. They lost me after season 3.
Never trust a man with a sick mind
4-6 was good too
@@mowamuluka4500check cgi apart of the scene it was way too terrible but it's okay.
legit was the same, maybe I will rewatch 1-3 again, then try 4 and realise why I stopped at 3 again
@@mowamuluka4500sorry? Shit writing, shit cgi and some woke bs to support that crap. Only s 1 was good, 2 was decent and the rest was shit
i feel so sorry for thawne, for wasting his life trying to destroy Barry Allen and his love one and now he dead becouse he wasted his life
Gwfsfsf
The is what I don’t get, if thawne is born 136 years from 2014 how is Barry even alive? Thawne says that he was Barry’s best admirer than tries to become like him which results in him finding out they are destined to be enemies, this would mean Barry is still alive 100 years into the future
I think Barry time traveled to the future somehow. He isn't still alive in Thawne's time.
Time travel
Barry time travelled to the future and accidentally saved the crowd thawne was supposed to. So he got the credit and thawne was upset and embraced his destiny to be reverse flashm
Tom cavanagh is truly great in first season especially this scene
136 years from now never made sense since Thawne in the comics and show was known to be from the 25th century. In the first comic he was introduced, it was stated he was from the year 2463.
It made much more sense in the series than in the comics, for many huge reasons
“…burger? One of few perks of living in this time, we are out of cows where I come from”
Let’s time travel few cows please!!
So good! Acting is on point!!! Oh man!!
Just the arrow this show was soo good for around 3 seasons.
The first seasons where goated! I thought at first it was gonna be trash but they got everything right. Arrow was my main show then I quickly started with making flash my number 1
As smart as thawne is, how tf did he not figure that if Barry was never flash, he’d never be the reverse flash.
We do love our arrogant to the point of blindness villains, right? Way more interesting! 😂
My theory is that, what if somehow the original timeline where eobard was from still exist and then they both fix it. Eobard went back to the day he was before he travelled back in time and prevent him from doing so, and barry returned to the time where the two of them fought, stopping the speedsters involved before thawne arrives in the future where he's from, completely resetting the timeline back to how it's supposed to be in RF's timeline.
Ouch. This scene hurt to watch. Poor Barry
The first two seasons was Top-tier
So true this is incredible acting!
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season 1,2 and 3 were the best
Season 1 Flash, Arrow, Blacklist, Mentalist, man so many more... some shows decline over the time, some faster than others but season 1 are so good.
Wait, if Thawne was faster than Barry, and Barry can travel through time, why didn’t he just go back to the future?
Unstable tachyons that he siphoned from Barry for temporary speed
Because it partially works off emotion and memory. The exact version of the timeline that he originally comes from doesn't exist anymore so he can't go back. The time stream has nothing to cross reference with his memories. That's why he needed the time sphere cuz I guess it works differently I mean, it can take you to the Vanishing Point which is like outside of time, or before time or after it whatever.
When Thawne stopped Barry from becoming the Flash he damaged his own ability to use the Speedforce himself because The Flash is the reason he gained speed himself. While he could still use it somewhat, he couldn't maintain his connection to it enough to good back to the future.
@@joeyellis850 OH! Ok.
What if: Barry's mother never died and his dad never went to prison in an alternate timeline? His parents would be alive and well. But that would also mean he would lose his speed. Thus, never becoming The Flash.
So, the choice is Barry's:
His parents whom he claims to love so much. Or, being The Flash?
Flashpoint in a nutshell
That was actually the OG timeline (OG Barry's parents never died and he became the Flash in 2020) it all eventually leads to RF killing his mother creating the alternate timeline the Flash show is set in
one of the few time paradox that actually make sense.
Bro literally read a magazine, saw his name and that he was flash’s enemy and said “aight bet lemme go kill bros mom”
What so good is that we know fully know why thawne truly hates Barry Allen
Season 1-3 were goated
IT WAS ME, BARRY!
Still wanted to see the original timeline with Dawn West-Allen
Thawne knows something about her
this very year the flash was suppose to vanish in crisis 😢😢😢😢
You gotta feel bad for Reverse flash no matter how hard you try to change Berry's destiny there's just some things you can't change! If anything he made the flash stronger to self preserve no matter what. Just like Batman dark night rises Bane broke Batman, but he still came back he still defeated bane you can't beat a hero if they still have something to fight for. Think about in the final season Barry Allen had the option to save his mother over again and he chose to let her diethat is some serious self-preservation because he knows what is good for the better good Sometimes you have to lose to win and move on from tragedy! I always loved the deep story of the flash and Arrow in some ways that makes both shows better than smallville.
Thawne is truly the best villain.
At first, I thought the “your mother” at 2:59 was done on purpose. 😂
Then, I replayed it and maybe it’s not?
It should I’ve said your mother but when I uploaded it and watched it I realized it should’ve say your mother
Dont worry guys. The reason he ACTUALLY killed his mom was because barry saved ppl he was going to and thawne got mad and swore vengence. The fucked up our boy
Funfact:Barry says in the future but eobard says in a future because that is happened and it's not necessary that it will happen again
Eobard Thawne: What? No Big Belly Burger?
I wonder how did the first flash became flash in Thawns time before he ran back 🤔
Simple accident after Doctor wells and his wife Tess Morgan launch particle accelerator in 2020,Thawne said it
Funny enough Thawne created the original Flashpoint by killing Barry's mom
“It Was Me. . . Barry “
Took a break after 4th season in 2021 ... And now back at completing the series...
Stop it. İts all downhill after 4th season.
@@Vilgax00 7th was upmost garbage ... Literally same storyline in the same episode...
IT WAS ME BARRY
I wish they had just let Kavanaugh played Thawne full time. Never really saw the point in two 2 actors.
Kavanaugh played harry wells. A scientist. The other actor played thawne. He changed his appearance to look like harry wells. There are two actors because there are two separate characters. I think they realised how well kavanaugh played a villain they could have changed the story by making him the original thawne but they would have had to reshoot it and the cw doesn’t like to spend.
Matt Letscher represents two versions of OG Thawne, the primary version prior to permanently assimilating the DNA of Harrison Wells and the diverged Time-Remnant copy that went on his own path following Barry's Flashpoint changes. Tom Cavanaugh represents "Wells"-Thawne, obviously the primary version (doesn't have memories his Time-Remnant counterpart does from Barry's Flashpoint interference onward) that makes the irreversible choice taking upon the visage of Harrison Wells to ensure Barry became the Flash.
SHADOW AND BONE S3
2:01-1:28-1:29 RHIAN:I LOSE MY ABILITIES AND I WAS SO MAD
2:03-2:04 DARK HERETIC SCREAMING CAUSE HE LOSE HIS ABILITIES FOR 15 YEARS HE WAS IMMORTAL
Hey look, good writing.... enjoy it, it doesn't last long.
thawne isnt me cuz real behaviorists dont hate
If Thawne was born more than a hundred years from now, how is barry still alive to be his rival by that time?
Future Barry came from another timeline to thawnes time
@@KeepStacking24sremember Thawne travells to the past where he meets the flash and starts the rivalry
Because Thawne traveled back from his time to meet the flash in his prime. Before Thawne met Barry, Thawne would read stories about the flash then he wanted to be like the flash
Another question is, if he could travel back in time. Why didn't he travel back to when Barry first showed up and kill the untrained version then and there.
136 years ? How old is Barry in this timeline
In the comics he traveled to and lived in the future I think
I don't understand that I thawne was bor 136 years ago then why didn't Barry die in these 136 years
There is no CC
In the future and now we are mustard and ketchup
Your mother...
Which ep this is?
Damn he is petty.
My question is how is Barry even alive 136 years from now like wouldn’t he be dead can someone explain pls and thank you
He go’s to the future
Then who created reverse flash and how??? 🤔
Berry was the source of the speed force killing him would cut thawn off from it
What does cc mean
I feel this thawn is only good in this season
And the series really should have only had past versions of him come maybe once a season to fuck with Barry a little showing the rivalry build to a boiling point. Cause showing versions of this thawn that chronologically exist after this point cheapens this moment of thawn kind of having accepted this Barry and forming that full love hate relationship
3:16
Was the reason thawne lost his speed because he technically changed his own future as well since if Barry never becomes the flash thawne never aspires to become like Barry, so his obsession with trying to make his own speed force doesn’t happen since the catalyst for him trying to become a speedster was because he looked up to the flash?
I think so although I wonder why he had any speed force at all then. Shouldn't he just be cut off completely? Instead he was kicking barry's ass lol.
@@amanhasnousername1614 no because Barry is still alive and thawne did lose his speed but he built a chair that was able to prevent the rest of the speed force in him from disappearing. He only had a limited amount of it left and he was facing a Barry who was very weak so to future thawne past barry is not a threat and didn’t need to use a lot of speed force to beat him since that Barry had no clue how to use the speed force
When he killed Nora Allen, the OG Flash disappeared from existence, causing Thawne to lose a lot of speed.
Im going to be honest im pretty sure thawn (in the comics) would be ok with being trapped in the past if it means barry loses
Doesn't he really like his speed though?
Nothing is original anymore!LOL!The only miss opportunity is barry seeing the real young thawne in the actual future!So yeah we don't even know if we symphatize his backsotry anymore here.
we are just not gona point out that time traveling back to change something is already a part of history? Its like a self fulfilling prophecy or else its gona be a time paradox?
Thawne himself are time paradox
this video still doesnt explain what crowd control thawne used to kill barrys mother
This doesn't make sense, help me 1: how does Baryy live normally and as a hero 136 years from then, if i understand it correclty Iris lives there aswell. 2: how does Barry become the flash the first time, without the flash no one would know about the speed force and Thawn would never try to get ahold of fake speed.
No Barry time travels to Thawne's time, and he got shocked by Well's particle accelerator to become flash later originally than in the show.
9x10 explains it
So Barry lived to be 150+ ?
They really destroyed the show after the first two seasons
If he’s born centuries ahead.. does that mean Barry is over 100 years old.. ? Cause Thawne said he met Barry
He might have traveled to the future by accident
couldnt he have just made it so he was struck by lightning ang become the flash back then?
Kinda suck to be in this situation.
Anyone know what is says at 3 mins ?
The best series i ever saw, literally every season, but this video has many mistakes.
Also, Thawne looks like Pennywise in this scene.
These comments are disgusting
3:03 why does thawne want Barry to do that can someone explain
because a small part of him does care for Barry, also he knows that if he does save his mom it will destroy the entire timeline as seen in Season 3
Wait I don't understand. If he was born 150 years after this. Then how does he know Barry .Is it that Barry lives to be 150 years or was Barry born 150 years after this like thawne
Time travel
Does the show reveal the actual cause of Thawne's hatred towards Flash? I've stopped watching after Savitar bullshit.
yes but not worth it,it's petty enough but not as good as this reason.
There out of cows where he comes from, so is everyone hitting chic fil a or just vegan
but none of this makes sense; reverse-flash is from 2151. the flash would've long been dead by then
You gotta think about it like this: Eobard became RF bc he was inspired by, wanted to be, and copied the powers of the Flash, and was able to access the speed force. But if the Flash never existed then he wouldn't have had access to the speed force so he had to recreate him 😄
@@megatronusorionpax4900 well, it just seemed like he was implying the flash was somehow still alive a hundred & thirty-six years from now
@@joshfactor1 oh okay I get what you're saying, I've had to wrap my beard around what he could be saying, I'm pretty sure Flash ages slower in general but on top of that it could be that him and Flash have traveled to the future/past so many times for so many years that it's the equivalent of centuries
i am bhiraa halaina the fastest man alive
Did anybody see what those words said at 3:00
It's a pop up from an app called Plex
Honestly. Thawne is pathetic. So he comes all the way from the future so he could destroy Barry's life. End,s up making Barry a speedster like him and helping him. Then in the end he looses and didn't get what he has wanted to get for 15 years.Sad
Bro theres no cc 😂😂😂
I loved watching this show but it will forever not make sense. Why kill his mother when Barry is 11 when he could of ran back to before Barry was born and kill her there. It’s just bullshit
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Nah just kidding w… can i have a shout out?