People get bored with anything, these homages allow you to change for small money. Or keep a small collection to keep it interesting, no worry about damage loss/theft/insurance. I also see incredible detail and quality in these homages which keeps improving and allowing customisations, I think its fun and creates more awareness and interest.
To each his own. There are a ton of good homage makers out there from very low prices with Japanese movements, up to nice Swiss movements at higher prices. I appreciate and buy them.
I literally agree with everything you said. It's like you know how I'm feeling about all this at the moment! I've seen so many homages now and realise how fantastic they are for so many people, but I must be in the "ready to move on" category. Great vid, thanks mate.
That’s where I am as well now Dan. Problem is having homage watches that I can’t sell without loosing a packet in order to move on with the next watch purchase.
The advantage of a Homage watch _(or any other product like Lamy Safari)_ is that its affordable to people that would like nice thing, however, they can no afford such! *Only the rich* can afford say a _Rolex!_ A good quality non-quartz like the Olevs for an example is good for people on *_low income_*
Anyone who says they personally wouldn’t buy homage watches but then buys or owns or praises a Tudor is basically admitting they mean ‘I don’t buy cheap homages…..luxury ones are great though’. In other words ‘I’m a massive snob and only really like expensive watches…..and I like to look down on others’. And this is pretty much a common sight in the watch community. Sad.
How are Tudors homages though? I can see how the black bay is based on vintage Tudor dive watches but the Pelagos is an original design. Either way they aren’t copying other brands designs like homages are. Nothing against homages btw- I have my eye on a few of them
My response to this question is No and we need to stop asking it. Let's stop judging people and let them enjoy this hobby. For most people it's not even an option. Sure, everyone would love to be Kevin O'Leary and own hundreds of watches that cost tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you have the means, of course you're not going to buy homage watches and you don't. For those that don't though, there has never been a better time to collect. The Chinese watch industry has created a huge opportunity to own quality homages of your favorite watches at a fraction of their cost. Let people just have fun and enjoy themselves.
My Cronos no date is not just great build but is a well built accurate piece. I have had Subs and JLC and almost everything you can think of. The Cronos is just impossible to beat for cost and build
I think yes and no. I agree that endlessly buying homages is a waste of money, and you won’t get the satisfaction of a legit brand. But they do have their place! In some instances they can be a great way to scratch an itch for a watch you’re not gonna splurge on anyway
I would never judge anyone that wears an homage watch, but for me, I'd rather have an original design. There are many great watches out there at any price point.
Great perspective Oleg, and very appreciated. In my case I've bought so many homages that come to think of it they do for the most part just sit in a bin and I do get bored and find myself wanting to buy the next one only to experience the same outcome. This does not happen with my original watches like Omega Seamaster, Omega Speedmaster and Breitling Superocean for which I've a much deeper appreciation and truly enjoy. This said, I do enjoy the more original pieces put out by microbrands, as well as original pieces by brands like Casio, Seiko, Timex, Orient, etc...not all have to be expensive, but more important is the originality factor. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Have a fantastic weekend my friend 👍
Homage watches did the job for me, pagani etc. Watches have become an obsession over past 4-5 years and they have been great to figure out what I like, for low cost. With over 20 watches now, Im now waiting to get an pre-owned Omega, Tudor in the next year or two. I would now appreciate quality and history over quantity. I'll still keep my less expensive watches but having something a bit more special appeals to me
I have very little money I can spend on watches. But, I try very hard not to buy homages. The problem is that nobody knows and nobody can tell what is and what isn't an homage. There are so many watches today looking like other watches it is hard to distinguish what is homage and what isn't. Are the many mainstream luxury divers homages to the first ever diver? Or the first couple of divers? Or the first 50 divers? Is the Rolex Sub (the second diver ever) an homage to the Blancpain 50 Fathoms (the first diver ever)? None of these 2 companies invented the design, especially the diving bezel, which is the main feature of a diver. That design was invented by two French navy officers really in a need of a diving watch for their diving tasks. Many of today's divers are pretty similar to the first 50 divers that were produced with slight diferences. Is Sinn Navitimer homage? They bought the design from Breitling when Breitling was doing badly and needed the money. It is reasonable to think that this Sinn Navitaimer is an homage. Should we not buy it? Are the pilot watches homages to the first pilot watches made by 5 German companies (Laco, Stowa, Wempe, A. Lange und Soehne and IWC) still in existence today? The design of these pilot watches was invented by the German Ministry of war, not by these 5 companies. They were just at the right time and the right place when the requirement for such watches showed up. So, what are the Dekla, or Junkers pilot watches homages of? Are they homaging the watches made by the first 5 companies or are they homaging the design of the German Ministry of war? What kind of watch is the one by San Martin that has a case by Rolex, bezel by D1 Milano, and a bracelet that looks like Royal Oakќс? Is this a compоund homage or not homage at all? These are just couple of questions on the issue. There are many more questions like these that are very hard to anwer. The problem is that everybody has their own understanding and criteria of an homage. And there will never be an agreed standard on what an homage is and isn't.
Own a bunch of original known brands, Hamilton, Tissot, Seiko, Casio, Orient, Henry Archer and a bunch of homages like Pagani, San Martin, Baltany as well. They all have their place and love em all.
I own many watches ranging in value from $10-$5000 dollars. Many are original designs and many are homages. I belive they all have their place. I would never buy a homage watch of a original that I plan on owning but buying homages of vintage watches that are fragile and impossible to find or watch designs that are far to expensive for me to ever responsibly purchase are fun for me.
Nothing wrong with Homage watches, if that's what you can afford. But, to me I just bought them because I liked them, not because they look like a Submariner (or whatever) The problem I see is that it's too easy to spend a few hundred bucks here and there; pretty soon you've got several thousand dollars of Homage watches with no resale value (which is OK as long as your aware of it). Add to that a bunch of micro brands and you've probably got the makings of a lightly used Tudor or Seamaster. Then once you have a good quality watch, you're more likely to be "satisfied" and the idea of buying a bunch of homages is sort of superfluous.
I like homage watches which mix up the original design with its own characteristics. I have the Seiko SNK366, it reminds a lot to the Rolex Datejust, but it has a lot of design features which make clear that it's a Seiko 5. So it still has it's own identity.
It’s quite true you can appreciate a watch without owning, or wanting to own, it. I feel there’s a difference between a homage of a long discontinued design (which I think is ok) and also a homage of a relatively inexpensive watch that is frankly over-priced in its modern guise. For example; a Steeldive 1970 (homage to the Seiko 6105 aka the Willard) compared to a £990 SPB313 modern equivalent, which offers little if any better spec. The Steeldive is certainly not boring. I do agree that a homage to a high-end watch is going to be less satisfying, less fulfilling, no least because status sits behind brands like Rolex and AP, which is why their designs are copied so widely. I think most people would get more out of something like an Oris. But each to their own. In the end *you* must like what *you* like.
@@johnmuthan286 Sinn U50 would be my choice (and I own it). For a field watch, I would go again for a German watch - Hanhart ES 417, 39mm. I’m waiting for more of those to be produced to get one.
Yeah -- I'm not sure if I buy Oleg's definition of why Tudor isn't really a homage. The BB is a homage. That being said I think homages are fine -- but would buy an Oris homage any day, before I bought a Tudor homage.
What is the BB a homage of? I was under the impression that it was based off Tudors own vintage divers, but that’s not the same as homages that copy other brands designs
@@DaveBassman homages of old Rolex models both of them. Main difference is snowflake hands. There’s a lot of info about it out there in case you wanna check
Agreed, turns out I've flipped every single homage watch I've ever bought, some twice, even. Then a few months later I'd buy one back "this time it will be different" to the same result.
I like the homages that aren't one for one copies. I bought a PD1692, the one that is like the 39 explorer case, submariner dial layout and muted, almost gunmetal, blue dial. Although the elements are all borrowed, the overall watch has a touch of uniqueness about it and I really like it. Wears beautifully, runs within COSC on the wrist and costs bugger all. What more can you ask from an affordable watch?!
My opinion is that it's acceptable to buy homage watches if it's an homage of a watch that hasn't been made in a long time, and due to either its value or rarity, it is not practical to buy and wear one. ex. 62mas homages (the new Seiko ones are too big IMO), first model Rolex submariner homages, 1920s/30s Rolex Oyster homages (ex. Baltany 1926 Tribute), etc. I would never get an homage of a modern watch or one that looks significantly like it.
I have a mixed collection with a few homages. The San Martin models are well made. In fact my retro diver based on the bond Rolex 6358 is one of my favourites. The original is long out of production and the genuine article sells for five figure sums so it's fine by me.
Great video Oleg, I've been through buying one or two homage watches many years ago and it was those very watches that got me hooked on the hobby. Researching the real thing helped me expand my knowledge and being more informed on watches that I really want but might never own for various reasons. I still have the now non functioning homage watches as memories that started all this off. Another good thing about homage watches is that it 'might' give you a real life view of a watch on the wrist before spending money on the real thing then finding it does not work for you. Thanks for sharing.
great content but a lot of the mid tear watch,s, and micro brands seem to be made in the same factory,s in China so I am paying for a name with some of my Seiko watches the QC is terrible as is the specs on most there's a pressed clasp, so a lot of the time we are getting better quality homages than the original but I do appreciate if your buying a watch as an investment the name of course matter,s ill stick with homages as i am getting a quality watch at a reasonable price
Though there are varied different reasonings in this specific hobby, your opinion is logically sound and realistically sensible with practical suggestions, Oleg. As saying goes, "Keep it real,". 😎⌚👍
Good for starters or those on a tight budget. Not into homages myself ( unless made by the original manufacturer, eg my Willard, SM300, Bulova Lunar Pilot) think it's natural to outgrow them & want "better" original pieces. I prefer a small more prestigious collection than a lot of lower quality watches. Agree, homages loose their attraction pretty quickly, whereas a true icon does the opposite in my experience. To each their own 👍🏻
I totally agree, I have several homages and finishing was not so good, but I own a San Martin watch too and I am really happy with one of them, but in the end you are always thinking in your mind get one day a real deal brand.
Pretty good advice Oleg. I must say I was a little shocked you bought several homages of the same watch, still trying to get my head around that one. I have only every bought 2 homages one was a sterile dial copy of a Panerai because I liked the design but did not (or could) drop that sort of money on the real thing. The other was a Ali express copy of a nautilus that was crazy cheap that a fellow watch collecter showed me and I was blown away by how good it was so had to have one. I tried on the Panerai and it looked like a dinner plate on wrist the other day so I gave it to someone, and my copy of the nautilus wasn’t as good as the one I tried on but I still wear it because I really do like it. So in conclusion I think they have their place as a bit of fun or the real thing is unobtainable, but do not overpay for one is my advice.
such a great video! I am a new to this hobby , and only recently learnt about homages. I am having a hard time to decide weather I should go for one or not. on the one hand, I don't see myself spending 5$K+ on a watch , on the other hand I am not sure I am ready to buy a homage! might just go for another Casio ... ; ) thanks for the video , I enjoyed watching. now need to decide to homage or not to homage
Great advice! When I started the hobby, I bought a Steinhart to see if I loved the look and feel of the Submariner. I loved it and didn't get bored. So now, after collecting few more watches into the journey, I know myself and my tastes better, and I know I'll love the real thing when I achieve it.
There is room for the real thing and a homage. I own both Rolex and Steinhart and each watch has a place in my collection. The Steinhart is great for the price and if it gets beaten up, who cares!
I have collected watches for years. I have some homage pieces and some that may not be considered homage. I just buy what I like. Olig your video rocks as always. I have been following you for years. Keep up the great work!
I wanted a Willard for ages and was about to get a Seiko but did what you suggested here and bought the Steeldive to see how I got along with it first. I was amazed by the quality of it, and as the weeks went by I realised the step up in quality (even if there is one) could never justify x20 what I paid. I love it and won't be buying the Seiko.
Sorry, Oleg. I’ve got 5 Sub homages 😁: 2 San Martins, 2 Pro Divers, and 1 Steeldive. Then again, I bought all 5 as mod bases, and none of them would now be mistaken for a Rolex 😉👍 . . . not that there would be anything wrong with that 😁!
Uniqueness doesn't matter, only in your head. I prefer a Heimdallr copy of a Seiko with better specs for less money than an actual Seiko. Or any affordable homage/ripoff over an overpriced Rolex/Omega you name it.
Many people cannot afford a grail watch. I for one own a number of homage watches, I like the option of owning nice watches looking the part at an affordable price point. Plus not having the worry if they get damaged I will buy a replacement at little cost. Plus life gets in the way sometimes limiting one from attaining the grail watch of their dreams so homage is a great option. For me it's an AP Royal Oak Offshore circa £20k out of reach. My homage £60.
I bought a watch had no clue it was homage it looked cool to me come come to find out the original is an omega speedmaster which I don’t feel like I’m wearing a copy because the speedmaster is to far out of reach price wise because I could save up and actually afford one but not sure if I’d actually get one but I do love the look alot
i just got a steeldive 1964 for christmas and i love it, it is huge and chunky and has all the presence of the Rolex sea dweller it is based on. saying that if someone were to gift me the original i wouldnt say no. I just wouldnt spend that much on a watch myself no matter how good it is.
I kinda feel the same. I bought 2 watches that are Richard Mille homage. Ended up selling 1, and rarely wearing the other one. I think you can appreciate other watches without the need to buy every single one of them.
I think so.... there are excellent original watches like Hamilton, Casio, Seiko I decided not to go for any homage watches to my IWC Mark 16. ... it is a beauty and I know that if I went with a Sinn or something cheaper from China for example, after a few months I'd want the real deal once again...
I never bought a homage watch because it looks like something else I might want. It is always about the value for me. How many choices there are for under a 100eur with sapphires, ceramics, solid bracelets, end links, milled clasps, good WR and so on..? Mostly just homages.
Have never owned a homage watch. I’ve been fortunate enough to buy the original pieces. The occasional homage might be a good way to check out designs of watches I’d like to try.
I have a Casio Duro (sub homage), and I still haven't gotten bored with it. I've gotten plenty of other watches since getting my duro, but I still wear it all the time.
Agree 100%. An Invicta sparked my watch collecting, and I gravitated towards 1:1 homages as I learned more about different brands. My interest was on & off until I grew bored with them. Nowadays I like homages in the truest sense, taking inspiration from elsewhere while making them their own.
I remember in the 90’s Rolex sued Titoni for their Cosmo King series on copyright infringement, and it turned out Rolex is not the first company that designed the Submariner style diver watch. On the contrary, Titoni has certain evidence that they made these kinds of watches earlier than Rolex. I remember it was Omega designed that diver watch first but abandoned the style, according to the news at that time. Interesting thing is these information are no where to be found anymore nowadays. Rolex lost the case as Rolex could not provide the information to proof their originality. So Titoni can keep on making their Cosmo King till today. Nobody knows about it as Titoni is not focusing on US market. I believe Invicta and other “homage” brand can make these watches without trouble because of this historical case.
Great video!!! My thoughts exactly. I bought them to try them out, and I'm glad I did. My last one is a Seestern Doxa Sub300T homage. I'm glad I bought it because I realized the case design does not work for me. The dial is so tiny! I've sold all of my homages after only a few weeks of wearing, and now I'm just tired and worn out from buying homage watches.
Agree all the way,but always i'm buying another homage because afraid of the online used market,for the real deal i need another job😊nice video thanks.
Outstanding video Oleg! I agree that it is easy to get bored with many homage watches. More commonly for me with some of the sub $100 watches. They did serve a purpose though for example letting me know that on wrist in not as attracted to certain shape cases as I thought I might be. The one for one copies are not for me but I have a few San Martin watches that are real keepers long term, retro diver, 39 Explorer style and a newer diver they issued. Beside those the only other keepers are an Escapement Time flieger and Steeldive 1970. So I think either don't buy homage or do it rarely with a specific purpose. In one sense even major brands have a hard time avoiding similarities with other watches and 25 years ago I had a Seiko quartz that was pretty much an exact copy of a Datejust. Otherwise I'll stick to my Seiko, Hamilton, Orient, micro brands and G-Shock watches. Thanks again for this perspective.
I dislike how overused the term "homage" has become in the watch industry, manufactures and buyers of copy watches missused the term because it just sounds better than saying copy. True homage watches, watches that pay tribute and take some design elements but put their own spin on it, are awesome though if for whatever reason (availability, size, money) you can't get the original inspiration for the homage. For example, I think that the Christopher Ward C63 Sealander GMT or the Grand Seiko SBGN003 are true homages to the Rolex Explorer II, they are not straight up copies that just have another name on the dial. Great video!
I'm old fashioned, I don't like being ripped off. Rolex and most luxury brands are ripping consumers off, $40k for a watch that probably cost $200 to make. Thank God for the homage brands like San Martin that satisfies those that are figuring out what they like or just appreciate certain designs. If they didnt exist Rolex and others would be charging even more.
I agree, though I am strongly considering purchasing the Pagani PD-1723 Vintage Air King or OP whatever you prefer. I just love the look the size, the PT5000 movement, the guilded hands on the black dial are fantastic. Pagani has upgraded the bracelet from the cheap version they first came out with. Let's face it a 1950's vintage Rolex is not in my future. I'm a few years away and a lot of change jars from buying a Milgaus which is my ultimate grail.
I agree with all your points about not buying homage watches, however, there is a market for homage watches for people who ALREADY own the original versions. I live in New York City and the crime has gotten out of hand and you can get robbed at any time of the day, even in good neighborhoods. So, since the pandemic, I have not been wearing my more expensive watches, but I purchased homage versions of them so I have look of the original watch, but I feel perfectly fine treating it like a beater watch or handing over to a robber at gun point. So, essentially, they are kind of placeholders for the real thing, but not a replacement. Also, I feel more comfortable wearing the homage watch and I don't feel super nervous about wearing an expensive watch on the streets. My social circle of friends knows I have the real watches, they have the same type of watches, so I don't feel the need to wear the real thing to impress them. A few of them have actually followed in my example to buy homage watches and wear it to public events and they also tell me they are more relaxed and less anxious about looking over their shoulders and getting scared of being robbed.
Since i never will be able to buy a real Role , i enjoy a Tevise submariner homage. I own a Breitling Titan Gold dress watch, inherited it from my father. But my daily beater this summer is a Tactical Frog H5 Captain Willard homage. I think it is the best watch i have own. I am Seiko and Casio fanboy.
The watch world is the only place I've heard of cheap copies being called an "Homage". I would be embarrassed to wear a cheap rip off of something like a Rolex Pepsi.
Almost every established watch model could be categorized as a homage!!Submariner, Seamaster, Speedmaster etc…..Each year it is updated. Also, if I was never told that faux-patina was faux-patina, I would have just thought it was a good color choice for the watch. It was only after I became a watch nerd that I became aware. It doesn’t matter.
It's funny how our tastes are constantly changing and being refined throughout our lives, and I completely understand what you mean about homages being exciting at first, then bland and boring later. Though oddly enough, I vastly prefer my Islander SKX homage over my Seiko SKX009. Perhaps because it is literally a much better "SKX" than the Sieko.
I own a Pagani "Hulk" that lives at the periphery of my collection because I'm never really sure what to do with it. On the one hand, it is a near defect free copy with a movement that loses no more than a few seconds a week (averaged). On the other hand, it is a shameless 1:1 clone of the real thing. Of course, the double green Rolex Sub will likely remain out of reach for the foreseeable future so buying the original isn't really viable. Question is, now that I'm ready to move into my first luxury timepiece, and now that my taste has changed toward favoring vintage-sized watches, do I even bother with the Sub design?
I agree 100% on your thought about homage watches (and by "homage" I mean fake in all but brand, not a true homage like a titanium Steinhart diver) and IMHO the reason for that is that those sort of homages are just hollow fakes. You say it's not a fake and you're not trying to deceive, of course you are and of course it is. My Pagani "Daytona" gets as many looks as my Submariner, same with my case mod "CasiOak" that from 6' away looks like a Royal Oak, and I know why, it has nothing to do with them being Pagani Design or Casio and everything to do with what they look like so it's still a fake really isn't it? Now I have no problem with fakes, wear what you like but I don't think homages really turn out to be long term wearers, and in my experience, good fakes do.
I like homage watches; even though I can afford real ones, I have no one to pass them on to, and I know family members will trash them, so that's why I prefer the homage 🤷♂️
Buy and wear what you like ... and what you can realistically afford. That said: I always chuckle at the comments stating "I've owned/I own Rolex'/Pateks/Omegas/whatever ... but I much prefer my brand X homage". Right. If Rolex prices, both MSRP and second-hand, were a bit less crazy, I'd gladly sell all my other watches, get a Submariner Date and be done with the whole "collecting" thing. As it is, I'm not going to go through the silly "pleasing the AD for the right to give them my money"-thing and I'm not about to pay $/€10,000 for a 20 or 30 year old five digit Sub, either. Besides: At €/$ 10,000 MSRP for the current Sub, that watch is now seriously overpriced, anyway - just look at the development of Rolex MSRP over the past 30 years or so to see by just how much they're over-charging these days. Buuut: I still love the look of the Sub, and I don't really need a wrist-watch for its functionality ... so what are my options? I found that while some of the less blatant homages - like Steinhart - may be great watches in their own right, but they don't *really* scratch the itch for me. First: They too are not the real thing - and no matter what other people think, I will always know that. I do buy/wear stuff for myself, not for others. Second: Those less faithful homages have fundamental issues that bug me - like the case-shape and straight lugs of the Steinhart which make them wear a bit awkwardly when compared to the real thing - or to a more faithful homage. So if you have no problem with going homage, you might as well get one that copies not just the general looks but other details - like case-shape - as well. Case in point: My SM BB Pepsi homage wears much nicer than any of my Steinharts. Third: If you look hard enough, 90+ percent of the watches out there will have some element on them that were taken from designs that came before. Submariner vs Fifty Fathoms is a classic example.
Yeah buying luxury watches is amazing! But who here honestly finds it fun to own luxury watches? Watches that stay in your box because you fear getting them nicked! Watches so expensive that years later remain in amazing conditions because you don’t wear them. Each to their own but homage watches are used more and are more fun to own!
Another good video, bro. I totally agree that homages can get boring. And the satisfaction level is nowhere near the real thing. That being said, trying to obtain a No Date Sub is extremely difficult. I am not willing to spend over $10k (or more) to own one. And I know I would truly regret it if I spent that much for one. So, I bought a Pagani Design (no Date) for $100 last November. It looks great, keeps good time and I wear to the gym. It gets banged around and I don't care. Finally, it looks pretty good when I look down at my wrist between sets. I spent 1% of the price and am happy.
Some valid points like why have multiple copy homages of the same watch but these videos (and your’s is not the first) are made by people after they start to own the watches being homaged…not before.
These days the bulk of my money goes towards micro brands like Steinhart, Christopher Ward, Armida, Helson, Maranez, Raven, Benarus ZELOS and many others. I own many brands including all of the ones mentioned in the video excluding ROLEX. I will never buy a ROLEX at today's prices, Tudor yes. When SEIKO can give folks what they pay for and fix the bad QC control, maybe I would own less "homage" trinkets. Until that day I'll mingle homages in with my Omega, Hamilton, Seiko collection. Seiko homages use sapphire, nicer bracelets and also offer great lume. I still love my original Seiko Monsters, Presages, etc.
You like microbrand watches ? I highly recommend Aussie brand watches Second Hour watches , notably the Mandela MK2 . And Melbourne watch company notably the Portsea . Incredible pieces with miyota 9000 series movements and respectable pricing .
The only reasons to buy an homage is if the original is out of production, or if you’re going somewhere where wearing the original is dangerous. Otherwise you just look like you’re trying to be someone you’re not. You’re not fooling anyone with that Pagani GMT, my dudes. You’re just looking silly.
Isn't there a difference between a homage and a fake (counterfeit)? 99% of homage products are licenced, where as counterfeit are criminal knock offs where are sold at the side of the road, and a word of warning buy from a proper outlet, *Never Ever* buy from some from the _"sidewalk"_
If one would eventually get the real macoy, the homage version will be used as a beater watch I guess. But if the original design is so expensive and unsafe to wear out or never intended to be owned, the homage does play a role and be appreciated. Just my opinion.
I generally avoid homages as I don’t like owning an inferior replica of the real thing. Only true homage I own is an Islander brand SKX. I couldn’t stand the original with the 7S26 with no hacking or handwinding. The Islander SKX is better in every way: ceramic/sapphire bezel, sapphire glass, better bracelet, NH36 auto, etc. Only thing it’s missing is the words Seiko and the ISO6425 dive compliance. I just got a 38mm Certina DS Action and I’m thinking about selling it now. It’s got a bit too much of a Submariner vibe for me, even though I don’t really consider it to be a homage type of watch.
Just enjoy and collect .. I can own 30 homage watches for the price of one branded watch .. also feel confident that my watch won't be missed too much if damaged or stolen. Why just buy 1 .. it makes no sense, especially when £10 buys a quartz watch which will outperform any auto in any condition.
I just recently got into watch collecting again. When I was young I bought nice original watches. But then I got out of it and got rid of those watches. I still like watches I would still like to own some nice-looking watches. But the likelihood that I will live long enough to own a brand new Rolex or Patek Philippe or some such watch it's not going to happen. I am almost 80 years old. I would like to look at my wrist and see a nice watch again. I'm not looking to sell a watch for profit. And if it only lasts for a year or two that's fine. There's no promise that I'm going to last for more then a year or two. So I will buy the fake enjoy looking at them on my wrist. And when I die, my family will know they're fake and throw them in the trash. Kind of like what they're going to do to me. LOL
You are really talking about replicas. Not homages. The BB 58 is a homage to an old Rolex and older Tudor designs. The Invicta Pro Diver is a replica of a Submariner. Nothing wrong with replicas at all. One point I do agree with is don't buy more than one model. How many Submariner replicas do you need? If you find one you like better move the first one along. If it isn't worth selling gift it to someone who isn't into watches or is just getting started. Start spreading the love!
@rkovars I get your point, but I think most people don’t distinguish between the idea of a rendition/interpretation vs a straight copy when they use the term homage
@@RichKovars exactly, and you also nailed it with your original comment. The term for most Paganis, San Martins, etc is replica. It's always surprised me how the vast majority of channels and commenters don't get this and call virtually everything a "homage."
You know what happens when you become a collector? You are more attracted to the name than to the product. Objectively a Steinhart is just fine and a much better price to quality ratio than a Rolex, there is no discussing that. But you just feel good knowing you are in the "Rolex club", it gives you some artificial legitimacy in the watch world, which is ok, but there is nothing rational here 😉.
YOU WEAR A SAN MARTIN TITANIUM 39, AND FEELS AND WORKS JUST AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL TUDOR, FOR ONLY 225 DOLLARS IS GONNA LAST FOREVER AND IF BROKE AFTER 5 YEARS, I BET IM NOT GONNA BUY THE SAME MODEL, JUST ANOTHER DIFFERNT SAN MARTIN
here are those who would never buy a "homage" because they steal the design. Well, musicians and other artists have stolen ideas, the Japanese stole industrial designs from German companies in the 1970ties, the Chinese started copying designs in the 2000s. That's just the way the world works. Get over it! Some AliEx homages are now better than for example their Seiko originals... X
Unfortunately you can get bored with luxury watches too. And unlike homage watches you're going to have to sell the luxury watches to afford other luxury watches.
People get bored with anything, these homages allow you to change for small money. Or keep a small collection to keep it interesting, no worry about damage loss/theft/insurance.
I also see incredible detail and quality in these homages which keeps improving and allowing customisations, I think its fun and creates more awareness and interest.
To each his own. There are a ton of good homage makers out there from very low prices with Japanese movements, up to nice Swiss movements at higher prices. I appreciate and buy them.
You've been sold a sales rap, that's all. Rolex and Breitling have nothing that a 'good' homage does not except a false perception of value.
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I literally agree with everything you said. It's like you know how I'm feeling about all this at the moment! I've seen so many homages now and realise how fantastic they are for so many people, but I must be in the "ready to move on" category. Great vid, thanks mate.
That’s where I am as well now Dan. Problem is having homage watches that I can’t sell without loosing a packet in order to move on with the next watch purchase.
The advantage of a Homage watch _(or any other product like Lamy Safari)_ is that its affordable to people that would like nice thing, however, they can no afford such! *Only the rich* can afford say a _Rolex!_ A good quality non-quartz like the Olevs for an example is good for people on *_low income_*
Many of us can’t spend thousands of dollars for a watch.
Anyone who says they personally wouldn’t buy homage watches but then buys or owns or praises a Tudor is basically admitting they mean ‘I don’t buy cheap homages…..luxury ones are great though’. In other words ‘I’m a massive snob and only really like expensive watches…..and I like to look down on others’.
And this is pretty much a common sight in the watch community. Sad.
How are Tudors homages though? I can see how the black bay is based on vintage Tudor dive watches but the Pelagos is an original design. Either way they aren’t copying other brands designs like homages are. Nothing against homages btw- I have my eye on a few of them
My response to this question is No and we need to stop asking it. Let's stop judging people and let them enjoy this hobby. For most people it's not even an option. Sure, everyone would love to be Kevin O'Leary and own hundreds of watches that cost tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you have the means, of course you're not going to buy homage watches and you don't. For those that don't though, there has never been a better time to collect. The Chinese watch industry has created a huge opportunity to own quality homages of your favorite watches at a fraction of their cost. Let people just have fun and enjoy themselves.
My Cronos no date is not just great build but is a well built accurate piece. I have had Subs and JLC and almost everything you can think of. The Cronos is just impossible to beat for cost and build
@CCW Cronos over San Martin? I don’t own either, but I’m trying to decide
I think yes and no.
I agree that endlessly buying homages is a waste of money, and you won’t get the satisfaction of a legit brand. But they do have their place! In some instances they can be a great way to scratch an itch for a watch you’re not gonna splurge on anyway
your so so wrong pal
@@keymad4 that’s the type of response from someone that buys fakes
At least you can afford a used car
I would never judge anyone that wears an homage watch, but for me, I'd rather have an original design. There are many great watches out there at any price point.
are they really original designs?
Great perspective Oleg, and very appreciated. In my case I've bought so many homages that come to think of it they do for the most part just sit in a bin and I do get bored and find myself wanting to buy the next one only to experience the same outcome. This does not happen with my original watches like Omega Seamaster, Omega Speedmaster and Breitling Superocean for which I've a much deeper appreciation and truly enjoy. This said, I do enjoy the more original pieces put out by microbrands, as well as original pieces by brands like Casio, Seiko, Timex, Orient, etc...not all have to be expensive, but more important is the originality factor.
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Have a fantastic weekend my friend 👍
Homage watches did the job for me, pagani etc. Watches have become an obsession over past 4-5 years and they have been great to figure out what I like, for low cost. With over 20 watches now, Im now waiting to get an pre-owned Omega, Tudor in the next year or two.
I would now appreciate quality and history over quantity. I'll still keep my less expensive watches but having something a bit more special appeals to me
I have very little money I can spend on watches. But, I try very hard not to buy homages.
The problem is that nobody knows and nobody can tell what is and what isn't an homage. There are so many watches today looking like other watches it is hard to distinguish what is homage and what isn't. Are the many mainstream luxury divers homages to the first ever diver? Or the first couple of divers? Or the first 50 divers? Is the Rolex Sub (the second diver ever) an homage to the Blancpain 50 Fathoms (the first diver ever)? None of these 2 companies invented the design, especially the diving bezel, which is the main feature of a diver. That design was invented by two French navy officers really in a need of a diving watch for their diving tasks. Many of today's divers are pretty similar to the first 50 divers that were produced with slight diferences. Is Sinn Navitimer homage? They bought the design from Breitling when Breitling was doing badly and needed the money. It is reasonable to think that this Sinn Navitaimer is an homage. Should we not buy it? Are the pilot watches homages to the first pilot watches made by 5 German companies (Laco, Stowa, Wempe, A. Lange und Soehne and IWC) still in existence today? The design of these pilot watches was invented by the German Ministry of war, not by these 5 companies. They were just at the right time and the right place when the requirement for such watches showed up. So, what are the Dekla, or Junkers pilot watches homages of? Are they homaging the watches made by the first 5 companies or are they homaging the design of the German Ministry of war? What kind of watch is the one by San Martin that has a case by Rolex, bezel by D1 Milano, and a bracelet that looks like Royal Oakќс? Is this a compоund homage or not homage at all? These are just couple of questions on the issue. There are many more questions like these that are very hard to anwer. The problem is that everybody has their own understanding and criteria of an homage. And there will never be an agreed standard on what an homage is and isn't.
Own a bunch of original known brands, Hamilton, Tissot, Seiko, Casio, Orient, Henry Archer and a bunch of homages like Pagani, San Martin, Baltany as well. They all have their place and love em all.
I own many watches ranging in value from $10-$5000 dollars. Many are original designs and many are homages. I belive they all have their place. I would never buy a homage watch of a original that I plan on owning but buying homages of vintage watches that are fragile and impossible to find or watch designs that are far to expensive for me to ever responsibly purchase are fun for me.
Nothing wrong with Homage watches, if that's what you can afford. But, to me I just bought them because I liked them, not because they look like a Submariner (or whatever)
The problem I see is that it's too easy to spend a few hundred bucks here and there; pretty soon you've got several thousand dollars of Homage watches with no resale value (which is OK as long as your aware of it). Add to that a bunch of micro brands and you've probably got the makings of a lightly used Tudor or Seamaster. Then once you have a good quality watch, you're more likely to be "satisfied" and the idea of buying a bunch of homages is sort of superfluous.
I like homage watches which mix up the original design with its own characteristics. I have the Seiko SNK366, it reminds a lot to the Rolex Datejust, but it has a lot of design features which make clear that it's a Seiko 5. So it still has it's own identity.
It’s quite true you can appreciate a watch without owning, or wanting to own, it.
I feel there’s a difference between a homage of a long discontinued design (which I think is ok) and also a homage of a relatively inexpensive watch that is frankly over-priced in its modern guise.
For example; a Steeldive 1970 (homage to the Seiko 6105 aka the Willard) compared to a £990 SPB313 modern equivalent, which offers little if any better spec. The Steeldive is certainly not boring.
I do agree that a homage to a high-end watch is going to be less satisfying, less fulfilling, no least because status sits behind brands like Rolex and AP, which is why their designs are copied so widely. I think most people would get more out of something like an Oris.
But each to their own. In the end *you* must like what *you* like.
Some people actually use the SteeldDives to make their own Willard's or SKX because of the availability of aftermarket part availability.
I absolutely love my homage collection, it’s my core bracket maybe later I’m life I’ll break into the luxury bracket
There are unique designs and options in every price bracket. Just give me a budget and I’ll give you a few examples :)
@@nikouai a diver and a field/sporty watch at around 3/4k€ each?
@@johnmuthan286 Sinn U50 would be my choice (and I own it). For a field watch, I would go again for a German watch - Hanhart ES 417, 39mm. I’m waiting for more of those to be produced to get one.
I think that there's a very thin red line in between an homage watch and what you think it's not an homage, like the Tudor BB 58 or the Black Bay Pro.
Yeah -- I'm not sure if I buy Oleg's definition of why Tudor isn't really a homage. The BB is a homage. That being said I think homages are fine -- but would buy an Oris homage any day, before I bought a Tudor homage.
What is the BB a homage of? I was under the impression that it was based off Tudors own vintage divers, but that’s not the same as homages that copy other brands designs
@@DaveBassman homages of old Rolex models both of them. Main difference is snowflake hands. There’s a lot of info about it out there in case you wanna check
Agreed, turns out I've flipped every single homage watch I've ever bought, some twice, even. Then a few months later I'd buy one back "this time it will be different" to the same result.
I like the homages that aren't one for one copies. I bought a PD1692, the one that is like the 39 explorer case, submariner dial layout and muted, almost gunmetal, blue dial. Although the elements are all borrowed, the overall watch has a touch of uniqueness about it and I really like it. Wears beautifully, runs within COSC on the wrist and costs bugger all. What more can you ask from an affordable watch?!
My opinion is that it's acceptable to buy homage watches if it's an homage of a watch that hasn't been made in a long time, and due to either its value or rarity, it is not practical to buy and wear one. ex. 62mas homages (the new Seiko ones are too big IMO), first model Rolex submariner homages, 1920s/30s Rolex Oyster homages (ex. Baltany 1926 Tribute), etc. I would never get an homage of a modern watch or one that looks significantly like it.
I have a mixed collection with a few homages. The San Martin models are well made. In fact my retro diver based on the bond Rolex 6358 is one of my favourites. The original is long out of production and the genuine article sells for five figure sums so it's fine by me.
Rolex said I'd have to go on a waitlist, so i bought a super clone.
And one day someone will inherit it. Do you care how their perception of you will change when they find out you lied about your prized possession?
I'm sorry, but no-one can tell anyone to purchase or not purchase anything. The title should have been "Should you stop buying homage watches?"
Great video Oleg, I've been through buying one or two homage watches many years ago and it was those very watches that got me hooked on the hobby. Researching the real thing helped me expand my knowledge and being more informed on watches that I really want but might never own for various reasons. I still have the now non functioning homage watches as memories that started all this off. Another good thing about homage watches is that it 'might' give you a real life view of a watch on the wrist before spending money on the real thing then finding it does not work for you. Thanks for sharing.
great content but a lot of the mid tear watch,s, and micro brands seem to be made in the same factory,s in China so I am paying for a name with some of my Seiko watches the QC is terrible as is the specs on most there's a pressed clasp, so a lot of the time we are getting better quality homages than the original but I do appreciate if your buying a watch as an investment the name of course matter,s ill stick with homages as i am getting a quality watch at a reasonable price
Though there are varied different reasonings in this specific hobby, your opinion is logically sound and realistically sensible with practical suggestions, Oleg.
As saying goes, "Keep it real,".
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Good for starters or those on a tight budget. Not into homages myself ( unless made by the original manufacturer, eg my Willard, SM300, Bulova Lunar Pilot) think it's natural to outgrow them & want "better" original pieces. I prefer a small more prestigious collection than a lot of lower quality watches. Agree, homages loose their attraction pretty quickly, whereas a true icon does the opposite in my experience. To each their own 👍🏻
I totally agree, I have several homages and finishing was not so good, but I own a San Martin watch too and I am really happy with one of them, but in the end you are always thinking in your mind get one day a real deal brand.
Pretty good advice Oleg. I must say I was a little shocked you bought several homages of the same watch, still trying to get my head around that one. I have only every bought 2 homages one was a sterile dial copy of a Panerai because I liked the design but did not (or could) drop that sort of money on the real thing. The other was a Ali express copy of a nautilus that was crazy cheap that a fellow watch collecter showed me and I was blown away by how good it was so had to have one. I tried on the Panerai and it looked like a dinner plate on wrist the other day so I gave it to someone, and my copy of the nautilus wasn’t as good as the one I tried on but I still wear it because I really do like it. So in conclusion I think they have their place as a bit of fun or the real thing is unobtainable, but do not overpay for one is my advice.
such a great video! I am a new to this hobby , and only recently learnt about homages. I am having a hard time to decide weather I should go for one or not. on the one hand, I don't see myself spending 5$K+ on a watch , on the other hand I am not sure I am ready to buy a homage! might just go for another Casio ... ; ) thanks for the video , I enjoyed watching. now need to decide to homage or not to homage
Great advice! When I started the hobby, I bought a Steinhart to see if I loved the look and feel of the Submariner. I loved it and didn't get bored. So now, after collecting few more watches into the journey, I know myself and my tastes better, and I know I'll love the real thing when I achieve it.
There is room for the real thing and a homage. I own both Rolex and Steinhart and each watch has a place in my collection. The Steinhart is great for the price and if it gets beaten up, who cares!
Don’t use the words “ The Hobby”. That’s whats pedos use
I have collected watches for years. I have some homage pieces and some that may not be considered homage. I just buy what I like. Olig your video rocks as always. I have been following you for years. Keep up the great work!
I have mixed feelings about homage watches. However, I wouldn't judge anyone for what they want to buy.
I wanted a Willard for ages and was about to get a Seiko but did what you suggested here and bought the Steeldive to see how I got along with it first. I was amazed by the quality of it, and as the weeks went by I realised the step up in quality (even if there is one) could never justify x20 what I paid. I love it and won't be buying the Seiko.
Sorry, Oleg. I’ve got 5 Sub homages 😁: 2 San Martins, 2 Pro Divers, and 1 Steeldive. Then again, I bought all 5 as mod bases, and none of them would now be mistaken for a Rolex 😉👍 . . . not that there would be anything wrong with that 😁!
"why you should stop being poor"
Uniqueness doesn't matter, only in your head. I prefer a Heimdallr copy of a Seiko with better specs for less money than an actual Seiko. Or any affordable homage/ripoff over an overpriced Rolex/Omega you name it.
Many people cannot afford a grail watch. I for one own a number of homage watches, I like the option of owning nice watches looking the part at an affordable price point. Plus not having the worry if they get damaged I will buy a replacement at little cost. Plus life gets in the way sometimes limiting one from attaining the grail watch of their dreams so homage is a great option. For me it's an AP Royal Oak Offshore circa £20k out of reach. My homage £60.
I bought a watch had no clue it was homage it looked cool to me come come to find out the original is an omega speedmaster which I don’t feel like I’m wearing a copy because the speedmaster is to far out of reach price wise because I could save up and actually afford one but not sure if I’d actually get one but I do love the look alot
i just got a steeldive 1964 for christmas and i love it, it is huge and chunky and has all the presence of the Rolex sea dweller it is based on. saying that if someone were to gift me the original i wouldnt say no. I just wouldnt spend that much on a watch myself no matter how good it is.
I kinda feel the same. I bought 2 watches that are Richard Mille homage. Ended up selling 1, and rarely wearing the other one. I think you can appreciate other watches without the need to buy every single one of them.
Great video brother and great points 👍🏼
the tissot prx is not an homage to the royal oak wtf? the tissot seastar was an original design from the 70s that the prx drew from
you are correct!!
I think so.... there are excellent original watches like Hamilton, Casio, Seiko
I decided not to go for any homage watches to my IWC Mark 16. ... it is a beauty and I know that if I went with a Sinn or something cheaper from China for example, after a few months I'd want the real deal once again...
I never bought a homage watch because it looks like something else I might want. It is always about the value for me. How many choices there are for under a 100eur with sapphires, ceramics, solid bracelets, end links, milled clasps, good WR and so on..? Mostly just homages.
Have never owned a homage watch. I’ve been fortunate enough to buy the original pieces. The occasional homage might be a good way to check out designs of watches I’d like to try.
I have a Casio Duro (sub homage), and I still haven't gotten bored with it. I've gotten plenty of other watches since getting my duro, but I still wear it all the time.
Great video love your sincerity
Agree 100%. An Invicta sparked my watch collecting, and I gravitated towards 1:1 homages as I learned more about different brands. My interest was on & off until I grew bored with them. Nowadays I like homages in the truest sense, taking inspiration from elsewhere while making them their own.
Did you get a Rolex yet ?
@@patmustardlive Haha! No, and I’m never going to.
@@BetamaxBabe I have one
@@patmustardlive Neat!
I remember in the 90’s Rolex sued Titoni for their Cosmo King series on copyright infringement, and it turned out Rolex is not the first company that designed the Submariner style diver watch. On the contrary, Titoni has certain evidence that they made these kinds of watches earlier than Rolex. I remember it was Omega designed that diver watch first but abandoned the style, according to the news at that time. Interesting thing is these information are no where to be found anymore nowadays.
Rolex lost the case as Rolex could not provide the information to proof their originality. So Titoni can keep on making their Cosmo King till today. Nobody knows about it as Titoni is not focusing on US market. I believe Invicta and other “homage” brand can make these watches without trouble because of this historical case.
Just buy an Invicta Reserve Gladiator. It doesn't homage anything and it beats everything as it is just so epic.
Great video!!! My thoughts exactly. I bought them to try them out, and I'm glad I did. My last one is a Seestern Doxa Sub300T homage. I'm glad I bought it because I realized the case design does not work for me. The dial is so tiny! I've sold all of my homages after only a few weeks of wearing, and now I'm just tired and worn out from buying homage watches.
Agree all the way,but always i'm buying another homage because afraid of the online used market,for the real deal i need another job😊nice video thanks.
Outstanding video Oleg! I agree that it is easy to get bored with many homage watches. More commonly for me with some of the sub $100 watches. They did serve a purpose though for example letting me know that on wrist in not as attracted to certain shape cases as I thought I might be. The one for one copies are not for me but I have a few San Martin watches that are real keepers long term, retro diver, 39 Explorer style and a newer diver they issued. Beside those the only other keepers are an Escapement Time flieger and Steeldive 1970. So I think either don't buy homage or do it rarely with a specific purpose. In one sense even major brands have a hard time avoiding similarities with other watches and 25 years ago I had a Seiko quartz that was pretty much an exact copy of a Datejust.
Otherwise I'll stick to my Seiko, Hamilton, Orient, micro brands and G-Shock watches.
Thanks again for this perspective.
I dislike how overused the term "homage" has become in the watch industry, manufactures and buyers of copy watches missused the term because it just sounds better than saying copy.
True homage watches, watches that pay tribute and take some design elements but put their own spin on it, are awesome though if for whatever reason (availability, size, money) you can't get the original inspiration for the homage.
For example, I think that the Christopher Ward C63 Sealander GMT or the Grand Seiko SBGN003 are true homages to the Rolex Explorer II, they are not straight up copies that just have another name on the dial.
Great video!
if I'm buying small brands. I'd rather reward microbrands who try to do something different and be themselves.
I'm old fashioned, I don't like being ripped off. Rolex and most luxury brands are ripping consumers off, $40k for a watch that probably cost $200 to make. Thank God for the homage brands like San Martin that satisfies those that are figuring out what they like or just appreciate certain designs. If they didnt exist Rolex and others would be charging even more.
A homage watch typically is more affordable, less stressful/dangerous to wear -- desirable attributes that the "real thing" can't offer.
I agree, though I am strongly considering purchasing the Pagani PD-1723 Vintage Air King or OP whatever you prefer. I just love the look the size, the PT5000 movement, the guilded hands on the black dial are fantastic. Pagani has upgraded the bracelet from the cheap version they first came out with. Let's face it a 1950's vintage Rolex is not in my future. I'm a few years away and a lot of change jars from buying a Milgaus which is my ultimate grail.
I agree with all your points about not buying homage watches, however, there is a market for homage watches for people who ALREADY own the original versions. I live in New York City and the crime has gotten out of hand and you can get robbed at any time of the day, even in good neighborhoods. So, since the pandemic, I have not been wearing my more expensive watches, but I purchased homage versions of them so I have look of the original watch, but I feel perfectly fine treating it like a beater watch or handing over to a robber at gun point. So, essentially, they are kind of placeholders for the real thing, but not a replacement. Also, I feel more comfortable wearing the homage watch and I don't feel super nervous about wearing an expensive watch on the streets. My social circle of friends knows I have the real watches, they have the same type of watches, so I don't feel the need to wear the real thing to impress them. A few of them have actually followed in my example to buy homage watches and wear it to public events and they also tell me they are more relaxed and less anxious about looking over their shoulders and getting scared of being robbed.
I wanted to hate this video
But you made really good and honest points. Well put well said.
I like homages of vintage watches. I detest modern day homages.
I've just bought a Rolex submariner green bezel super clone. Does that count?
Really good ideas and opinions
I think if you like the design buy an homage with colors that aren't available in the original or buy an homage that has a few differences
Since i never will be able to buy a real Role , i enjoy a Tevise submariner homage. I own a Breitling Titan Gold dress watch, inherited it from my father. But my daily beater this summer is a Tactical Frog H5 Captain Willard homage. I think it is the best watch i have own. I am Seiko and Casio fanboy.
homage is great way to wear a vintage/discontinued/rare watch without the anxiety of owning the actual one.
The watch world is the only place I've heard of cheap copies being called an "Homage". I would be embarrassed to wear a cheap rip off of something like a Rolex Pepsi.
Almost every established watch model could be categorized as a homage!!Submariner, Seamaster, Speedmaster etc…..Each year it is updated. Also, if I was never told that faux-patina was faux-patina, I would have just thought it was a good color choice for the watch. It was only after I became a watch nerd that I became aware. It doesn’t matter.
It's funny how our tastes are constantly changing and being refined throughout our lives, and I completely understand what you mean about homages being exciting at first, then bland and boring later. Though oddly enough, I vastly prefer my Islander SKX homage over my Seiko SKX009. Perhaps because it is literally a much better "SKX" than the Sieko.
I own a Pagani "Hulk" that lives at the periphery of my collection because I'm never really sure what to do with it. On the one hand, it is a near defect free copy with a movement that loses no more than a few seconds a week (averaged). On the other hand, it is a shameless 1:1 clone of the real thing. Of course, the double green Rolex Sub will likely remain out of reach for the foreseeable future so buying the original isn't really viable. Question is, now that I'm ready to move into my first luxury timepiece, and now that my taste has changed toward favoring vintage-sized watches, do I even bother with the Sub design?
I agree 100% on your thought about homage watches (and by "homage" I mean fake in all but brand, not a true homage like a titanium Steinhart diver) and IMHO the reason for that is that those sort of homages are just hollow fakes. You say it's not a fake and you're not trying to deceive, of course you are and of course it is.
My Pagani "Daytona" gets as many looks as my Submariner, same with my case mod "CasiOak" that from 6' away looks like a Royal Oak, and I know why, it has nothing to do with them being Pagani Design or Casio and everything to do with what they look like so it's still a fake really isn't it?
Now I have no problem with fakes, wear what you like but I don't think homages really turn out to be long term wearers, and in my experience, good fakes do.
I like homage watches; even though I can afford real ones, I have no one to pass them on to, and I know family members will trash them, so that's why I prefer the homage 🤷♂️
I hope you didn't get rid of the Tevise. Where will you find another perlative ceronometer?!
I just think there are so many awesome watches out there to buy a copy. Then you start realizing every one has the same Selitta or ETA movement. Lol!
Buy and wear what you like ... and what you can realistically afford. That said: I always chuckle at the comments stating "I've owned/I own Rolex'/Pateks/Omegas/whatever ... but I much prefer my brand X homage". Right.
If Rolex prices, both MSRP and second-hand, were a bit less crazy, I'd gladly sell all my other watches, get a Submariner Date and be done with the whole "collecting" thing. As it is, I'm not going to go through the silly "pleasing the AD for the right to give them my money"-thing and I'm not about to pay $/€10,000 for a 20 or 30 year old five digit Sub, either. Besides: At €/$ 10,000 MSRP for the current Sub, that watch is now seriously overpriced, anyway - just look at the development of Rolex MSRP over the past 30 years or so to see by just how much they're over-charging these days.
Buuut: I still love the look of the Sub, and I don't really need a wrist-watch for its functionality ... so what are my options?
I found that while some of the less blatant homages - like Steinhart - may be great watches in their own right, but they don't *really* scratch the itch for me.
First: They too are not the real thing - and no matter what other people think, I will always know that. I do buy/wear stuff for myself, not for others.
Second: Those less faithful homages have fundamental issues that bug me - like the case-shape and straight lugs of the Steinhart which make them wear a bit awkwardly when compared to the real thing - or to a more faithful homage. So if you have no problem with going homage, you might as well get one that copies not just the general looks but other details - like case-shape - as well. Case in point: My SM BB Pepsi homage wears much nicer than any of my Steinharts.
Third: If you look hard enough, 90+ percent of the watches out there will have some element on them that were taken from designs that came before. Submariner vs Fifty Fathoms is a classic example.
Yeah buying luxury watches is amazing! But who here honestly finds it fun to own luxury watches? Watches that stay in your box because you fear getting them nicked! Watches so expensive that years later remain in amazing conditions because you don’t wear them. Each to their own but homage watches are used more and are more fun to own!
Another good video, bro. I totally agree that homages can get boring. And the satisfaction level is nowhere near the real thing. That being said, trying to obtain a No Date Sub is extremely difficult. I am not willing to spend over $10k (or more) to own one. And I know I would truly regret it if I spent that much for one. So, I bought a Pagani Design (no Date) for $100 last November. It looks great, keeps good time and I wear to the gym. It gets banged around and I don't care. Finally, it looks pretty good when I look down at my wrist between sets. I spent 1% of the price and am happy.
Some valid points like why have multiple copy homages of the same watch but these videos (and your’s is not the first) are made by people after they start to own the watches being homaged…not before.
These days the bulk of my money goes towards micro brands like Steinhart, Christopher Ward, Armida, Helson, Maranez, Raven, Benarus ZELOS and many others. I own many brands including all of the ones mentioned in the video excluding ROLEX. I will never buy a ROLEX at today's prices, Tudor yes. When SEIKO can give folks what they pay for and fix the bad QC control, maybe I would own less "homage" trinkets. Until that day I'll mingle homages in with my Omega, Hamilton, Seiko collection. Seiko homages use sapphire, nicer bracelets and also offer great lume. I still love my original Seiko Monsters, Presages, etc.
You like microbrand watches ?
I highly recommend Aussie brand watches
Second Hour watches , notably the Mandela MK2 .
And Melbourne watch company notably the Portsea .
Incredible pieces with miyota 9000 series movements and respectable pricing .
@@justinlangley9522 Thanks. I have version one of the MANDALA in the salmon dial no date Mioyta 9039.
The only reasons to buy an homage is if the original is out of production, or if you’re going somewhere where wearing the original is dangerous. Otherwise you just look like you’re trying to be someone you’re not. You’re not fooling anyone with that Pagani GMT, my dudes. You’re just looking silly.
Isn't there a difference between a homage and a fake (counterfeit)? 99% of homage products are licenced, where as counterfeit are criminal knock offs where are sold at the side of the road, and a word of warning buy from a proper outlet, *Never Ever* buy from some from the _"sidewalk"_
If one would eventually get the real macoy, the homage version will be used as a beater watch I guess. But if the original design is so expensive and unsafe to wear out or never intended to be owned, the homage does play a role and be appreciated. Just my opinion.
I generally avoid homages as I don’t like owning an inferior replica of the real thing. Only true homage I own is an Islander brand SKX. I couldn’t stand the original with the 7S26 with no hacking or handwinding. The Islander SKX is better in every way: ceramic/sapphire bezel, sapphire glass, better bracelet, NH36 auto, etc. Only thing it’s missing is the words Seiko and the ISO6425 dive compliance.
I just got a 38mm Certina DS Action and I’m thinking about selling it now. It’s got a bit too much of a Submariner vibe for me, even though I don’t really consider it to be a homage type of watch.
Just enjoy and collect .. I can own 30 homage watches for the price of one branded watch .. also feel confident that my watch won't be missed too much if damaged or stolen. Why just buy 1 .. it makes no sense, especially when £10 buys a quartz watch which will outperform any auto in any condition.
The "original" watch is as rare as a $3 bill, everyone is kinda ripping off everyone else. My Seiko is really just an OP. Shame on me I guess...
Buy what you want and enjoy! People shouldn’t tell others what to buy with their money! It’s only a watch.
If you want something that does not look like a Submariner at all, then get the Breitling SuperOcean Heritage 57.
I just recently got into watch collecting again. When I was young I bought nice original watches. But then I got out of it and got rid of those watches. I still like watches I would still like to own some nice-looking watches. But the likelihood that I will live long enough to own a brand new Rolex or Patek Philippe or some such watch it's not going to happen. I am almost 80 years old. I would like to look at my wrist and see a nice watch again. I'm not looking to sell a watch for profit. And if it only lasts for a year or two that's fine. There's no promise that I'm going to last for more then a year or two. So I will buy the fake enjoy looking at them on my wrist. And when I die, my family will know they're fake and throw them in the trash. Kind of like what they're going to do to me. LOL
You are really talking about replicas. Not homages. The BB 58 is a homage to an old Rolex and older Tudor designs. The Invicta Pro Diver is a replica of a Submariner. Nothing wrong with replicas at all. One point I do agree with is don't buy more than one model. How many Submariner replicas do you need? If you find one you like better move the first one along. If it isn't worth selling gift it to someone who isn't into watches or is just getting started. Start spreading the love!
@rkovars I get your point, but I think most people don’t distinguish between the idea of a rendition/interpretation vs a straight copy when they use the term homage
@@shawn1928 That is the whole point. The term is overused and used incorrectly. Just because everyone does it doesn't make it right.
@@RichKovars fair enough
@@RichKovars exactly, and you also nailed it with your original comment. The term for most Paganis, San Martins, etc is replica. It's always surprised me how the vast majority of channels and commenters don't get this and call virtually everything a "homage."
You know what happens when you become a collector? You are more attracted to the name than to the product. Objectively a Steinhart is just fine and a much better price to quality ratio than a Rolex, there is no discussing that. But you just feel good knowing you are in the "Rolex club", it gives you some artificial legitimacy in the watch world, which is ok, but there is nothing rational here 😉.
YOU WEAR A SAN MARTIN TITANIUM 39, AND FEELS AND WORKS JUST AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL TUDOR, FOR ONLY 225 DOLLARS
IS GONNA LAST FOREVER AND IF BROKE AFTER 5 YEARS, I BET IM NOT GONNA BUY THE SAME MODEL, JUST ANOTHER DIFFERNT SAN MARTIN
Oleg....how would you position a Steinhart? Thank you for content from fellow Vancouverite
here are those who would never buy a "homage" because they steal the design. Well, musicians and other artists have stolen ideas, the Japanese stole industrial designs from German companies in the 1970ties, the Chinese started copying designs in the 2000s. That's just the way the world works. Get over it! Some AliEx homages are now better than for example their Seiko originals...
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Unfortunately you can get bored with luxury watches too. And unlike homage watches you're going to have to sell the luxury watches to afford other luxury watches.
very good point!
Exactly. It’s the psychology behind it. This hobby is a sickness in itself.
Pagani Design floats my boat !!!
You can make exactly the same argument about black bay or prx.