As a Breacher player, I feel like suffering has become a mandatory barrier to clear if you want to like the team, and this rules update is really evidencing that :(
Sad about my pathfinders but still going to have a lot of fun doing coop with them with the kroot or vespid teams. And im excited to finish painting my corsairs!
fellgor mangler hitting on 3+ and having +1 wound is gonna make my playgroup fear them even more 😂 instant 12-13 damage with 1 strike upon ambushing. RIP 1 astartes operative if they aren't careful!
Salvagers also lost treat as uninjured on Ancestors are Watching and their ignore ballistics skill modifiers equipment. So getting injured hurts a lot more
Glitchlings got a bit of a buff that I think you missed - they can no longer be selected as a valid target while in cover (as before) but it no longer says they have to have a conceal order. So it seems they can sit with an engage order behind cover and be safe
@@giovannicrespo3947honestly I can't really care about the downsides, they all seem like "use skill in the right time and place or just use the default one to stay the same"
@@GundamReviver dawg if my team is 5 inches for a turn you bet im feeling that downside. We lost control edict as a passive and gained it as a ploy which is alot worse since cp is halved at start of game now, and worse is our equpiment in general got ALOT worse. We lost free mission action and a 4+ invulv on leader. The person who designed this most likely did not test this team too much or they were too good at the game to notice a difference in playability.
@@giovannicrespo3947 what do you mean cp is halves at start of game? Just like previous edition it's start with 2 gain one immediately for a "practically start with 3" hell from turn 2 onward the one thst doesn't get initiative even gets 2 per turn instead of 1!
@@CanYouRollaCrit this is so sad to hear, I love the models and really wanted to buy them. Maybe I'll still get them for collection purposes...holding out hope that if the Kroot could get buffed, BoK can eventually get some love too Edit: thank you so much for this video, really amazing (looking through the changes manually was really tedious & I don't know enough about KT to judge the changes, so this video is a life saver)
I am not planning on getting too familiar with these rules. The volume of change is such, that there are bound to be HEAVY balance patches needed (some immediately, some in 3 months) and the landscape is going to be totally different when it settles. From my point of view, maybe 10% of all the changes were actually needed. There's a lot of change for change's sake, ruining pretty stable balance of the end of KT21.
Welp, krieg have concealed position instead of silent on the sniper despite blooded having silent 😢 On the plus side bruiser going up to 4 attacks and the hand axe equipment might make melee krieg an actual option.
Krueg were known for doing the mission and sacrificing bodies. But now you can get max 2vp per turn and that’s not enough. Especially when you give points to your opponent when you die.
Blinding Aura is also little bit stronger, I think - now you are simply not valid target, not only in cover, so it will work with engage order too. And it has possibility of wasting enemy's AP (if no valid target is available AP used for shooting is not refunded).
@@CanYouRollaCrit I got some more time to watch further and I also have a question about Rubrics - for sure will they lose APL if wander more than 9’’ from sorcerer during their activation? I know, that now APL modification is instant, but condition is “whenever this operative is activated”, not “while it is active” - and from browsing through the rules (although I had much less time with them than you), I got impression, that being activated is referring to choosing operative for being active, in essence, that it is start of activation, not any moment of it.
So many interesting changes!!! Loving what Kasrkin have become! The leader is now 3 APL too FYI. Super strong! (I think elucia Vhaine is also 3 APL now too)
The Psychomancer's Visions of Madness does not delay a units activation by D6; when an oppoent tries to activate them, you roll a D6, and if you roll their APL or higher, they need to choose a different activation. The idea is the same, but its less certain the length, making it harder to strategize around. It also makes it a worse option into Elites inherently.
RE Warpcoven, there’s intent to reduce decision paralysis in Sorcerer configuration and spell choice. Some people will be upset by this but I suspect the majority of players will like the change and may attract more players to the faction. Several thematic and mechanical synergies many players have been asking for have finally been adopted. Take Savage Herd for example which extends x2 AoE buffs to Tzaangor when visible by Sorcerer. Tzaangor profiles offer genuine choices based on the win condition. Icon, Horn, Shield, Chainsword/Autopistol all have far more play alongside Blades. Rubrics finally get their 3APL (cond.) 2+ 14W 5” baked into profiles, and AiD moved to ploy with genuine value. Unsure whether the ceiling is lower but the lower floor to entry and synergies make them so much more playable. It’ll likely show in tournament result where cognitive burn out was a really issue for all but the most experienced players.
A few corrections: the Wade-In ability for the axejack just doesn't exist anymore, it's been completely removed. Kroot have been a 12 operative team for a while now, was changed in a balance dataslate last edition. Poach is also UNCHANGED from last edition, it's always worked like that. Kill Broker has always been 4 attacks. The Cut-Skin is also unchanged except getting Ceaseless instead of balanced, it could always fight twice. Heavy Gunner had a 1 point damage buff to both weapons. Also incorrect about how Pech'Ra works, it goes in the enemy operative's control range & gives friendlies shooting that enemy Seek Light. You also missed the Stalker's Stealth Attack being less restrictive to use, the Bow Hunter's voltaic profile being buffed & altered to blast, & Kroot hounds not being able to Fall Back when they Gather.
Wade in used to be an action, now its an ability, Yeah but they're a full 12 activation team no matter which operatives taken Kill broker was 3 attacks 3/4, now is 4/5 base at 4 Yeah missed those but Kroot are better. Although Poach needs to be changed now due to how toxic it is with Loot and Sabotage
First of all, thank you for putting this all together! I agree with a lot of your points. However, I feel like your analysis of inquisition is a bit harsh. A few points for consideration: Questkeeper - she lost FNP and only received the nerfed version with no extra wounds to makeup. She lost her balance on charge. When she would charge into ops that were quarried, she often rerolled two dice anyway so 3+ doesn’t feel like a buff that breaks her albeit it is a buff. She’s a melee specialist and they seem to be making melee specialist hit better (crimson duelist) Deathworld vet- lost reap 2 which actually helped me a lot in games vs hordes. Enlightener - was terrible, his buff puts him in the running at least The team lost the ability to buff pistols, which was a mainstay for leader, mystic, and sometimes pistolier. This is big nerf against mystic especially. Interrogators pistol is now usable but they had to do something because he is garbage otherwise. Ancillary: navy was the best in ‘21 edition. They nerfed that down to 5 models and made the grenadier much worse (grenades losing seek). Kasrkin are much better now hitting on 3’s and having the recon but they bring 0 melee to the table which is usually needed. Krieg are now more a consideration with the confidant and being able to get the 6th body. I don’t think any of the ancillary breaks them and just because they have so many options doesn’t mean more than 16 are actually worthwhile. With Navy taking a hit, I think they buffed the inquisition team a bit to help. Quarry buff is very helpful but it’s much more difficult to pull off than most teams ploys. So many teams get rerolls and accurate or piercing for just moving or being near an objective, quarry is significantly more difficult to manage. All that to say, I don’t think inquisition is as broken as you think, even though I do think they are a very good team.
Unfortunately everyone lost FNP so the quest keeper never should get to hit on 3s. Currently they're extremely broken so I'm hoping they get toned down ASAP
Sad to see the direction they went with some teams, patricularly Inquisitorial agents and Fellgore ravagers. For sure entirely inconsistent in their balancing, and the person handling the inquisition had absolutely no idea about balance.
Im pretty disappointed so far. It feels like they over complicated quite a few things and nerfed a lot of what made some of the teams feel so fun. I mean Last edition if you wanted "B" to happen, you just had to do "A". Now its for "B" to happen, "A", "C" and "D" have to happen first. Then roll a D6......
@CanYouRollaCrit. I dont know, the rules that i have seen so far have really "taken the wind out of my sails" when it comes to this launch. Also im referring to rules like Disgusting Vigour vs Disgusting Resilience
Don’t forget the whole meta and the game itself is different… play it out before you make a judgement call on whether the changes are good / bad… it’s gonna feel very different!
So, i just looked at a few teams. I will look more into it later. But a couple of things i'd like to note or get corrected on hunter clade: Control edict: Now it needs to chose the leader as one of the operatives. So you can't do surveyor into gunner, which is a huge nerf, like i can see not using it at all in half the games. Doctrinas: We no longer have anything that says that we ignore the deprecation on the first use. This is a huge nerf imo.
Do lament the loss of Climbing Gear on the Jaegir's though I can see why they've done that with the change to Dauntless Explorer. Would have been way imbalanced to have everyone move up and have the ability to easily reposition on to vantage points. Ladders ahoy!
It was bound to happen given their strength even after their previous nerf. Now we’ll see how long it takes for them to buff everything or nerf the top teams.
Just going back to Phobos leader, it feels like a big nerf not to get 1CP for 1APL, but you get a lot in return. More likely to get initiative, then pass your activation, is really good, especially against elites. Extra firefight ploy (if not using Patient Ambush) is basically that CP right back in your lap, but without using an APL. Not a fan of Comms 4+ roll for an extra CP, but best guess is designers were worried it would be too strong. I really don't see Phobos players being super unhappy, and they're at least as strong as they were, and maybe more killy.
Ooof, the crappy double hit firefight ploy has gotten even worse, since you now need to play a strategic ploy first to even be able to use it. Basically requiring the commsman who is otherwise hot random garbage now...
Something about hunter clade, I don't know if you missed or I didn't hear, the Doctrina Imperitives no longer ignore the downside the first time they are picked, really hurting the consistency of the AdMech
I was very excited at first because i thought that the firefight ploy which removes range from support abilities would also let timesplinter teleport the target without range. On second read through i learned thats not how it works :P
Will be interesting if day 1 FAQ moderates the Hunter Clade Deprecation (which they did towards late Edn2). It’s a shame Control Edict has been opened to Sicarian leaders, limited to one Sicarian for the Edict, and therefore doesn’t synergise well with the baked in Sicarian leader Canticle abilities ie you can’t have a Sicarian leader offering its Canticle benefit to a Sicarian, and Edict them as a pair. That would have played well thematically and makes more sense to the flow of the game. Regardless, the Infiltrator pairing can form a reliable objective bunker on Conceal (4APL 21W 4+, heal equipment, suppress Piercing equipment, suppress being targeted ability AoE 3” 40mm bases, silent+saturate pistols, etc). Mix in Scrapcode Overload ploy (APL debuff), or Omissiah’s Imperative ploy on Bulwark Doctrina (ceaseless defence dice, plus 3+ save & additional defence dice ie x4 save dice before Piercing), or Neurostatic Interface ploy (6” reroll suppression), and that’s a formidable bunker or staging zone.
@@CanYouRollaCrit I haven't seen the core rules to know the new way APL works, but based on the wording of the rubrics ability being "whenever this operative is activated" I would think it only checks at the start of the activation whether to subtract an APL, not throughout the entire activation. If that wording is used to mean "at any time during it's activation" I'd wonder if the Legionary Warrior can change his mark at any time, so be able to move 7 and then get ceaseless or severe to shoot. And since it's not actually an action, could the warrior change multiple times per turn?
Im really not happy with the changes to chaos cult but assuming the harlequins drop gets fixed I think I’ll be fine, also man am I excited to try out the changes to nemesis claw.
Hernkyn Yaegirs warriors actually have 4 attack knives if you pick the pistol and knife option. There’s now an actual reason to bring them, especially with the range increase to pistols. However, I miss the completely busted gunner loadouts for hearth guard. The Piercing 2 plasma beamer and bajillion damage magna rail were some of the most overkill weapons in the entire game.
Thansk for doing this overview - really useful. Just looking at the Pathfinders PDF, the Drone Controller has some nice additions: Drones get +2" move (which makes up slightly for losing Fly), and can use Saviour Protocols for free. Remote Pilot seems pretty good too for making extra attacks or doing mission actions. Also, Ions do get Piercing when hot :)
Plasmacyte reanimated Hierotek operatives only return expended if the operative was already expended this turning point, so if the reanimated operatve wasnt activated yet this turning point or it's the next turning point, you can still activate it.
I'm bummed out, I'm currently finishing painting gellerpox and have the cult to build next as I was lucky to get the ashes of faith box and myate has inquisition, so a whole campaign with the strongest v the weakest team is going to be fun. Getting rid of wound ignoring rolls was the one thing that sounded fun with these guys. Gutted
For the pathfinders, the drones lost fly, but they gain 2in of move if the controller is on the field. They can also do savior protocol for free as long as he's alive. The controller can also control drone multiple times on his turn. If you hit him with a plus APL from comms, he could do it three times. I think with kauyon, the orbital uplink, and high intensity markerlight, they still stand a chance. At least until the drones or controller go down. (Drone army for the win). Is there any clarification on the grenade specialist ability? As it's written, Grenadires seem to be able to use unlimited krak and frag grenades unless I'm missing something. (There no limit on their stats, and it says uses don't count against any limit you may have).
I was hopeful for a brief minute. But then I played a solo game... the drone controller is better. The MB3 is still good. Point-blank fusillade is helpful. The rest is bad. I have an itemized list of complaints.
The Death Korps veteran oddly shifted. I knew they were going to take away FNPs on him, but reducing damage by 1 for each hit over 3 is odd. Giving him a free guardsmen order and the slight uptick on his robohand is good. It's just an overall weird shift. Feels compendiumy.
For exaction squat your gunners e.g. the grenade launcher can shoot into combat but you can't throw grenades there. Right? And no range is specified so nobody can hide in close combat against shots from the sniper, who by the way still hits on 2+ if no typo.
@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah. I think so too...I'am just worried and try how to get better against Legionarys, which are pretty common in my home meta. Without the p1 special rule i don't know how to kill a marine... i guess it's time for inquisitorial agents🙈
Honestly the Kasrkin changes feel like they're trying to drive Guard players to buy the Aquilons kits. The team wasn't that competitive now, with Elite Points and the Marksman being the only really reliable threats in their toolkit. Now both of those are gone.
@@CanYouRollaCrit That takes some of the sting out of it, sure, but being able to guarantee at least two hits, if not a crit and a hit, felt like it let them genuinely threaten elites in a way that I'm not sure they can do anymore. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. I plan to play some games with them to see if I am, but my initial reaction to them on paper isn't positive.
@@CanYouRollaCrit AFAIK you could give the chieftain a plasma pistol and still take a plasma gunner. 8 other operatives + enforcer + ogryn, everything from one box and no model left over to fill in.
Support Asset from Starstriders does not work the same than before. In Season 2 it was a seperate Activation and now you do it in an operatives activation instead of a shoot action. Which is a huge nerf.
Pleasently surprised with warpcoven. Gunners can be two but one of each. No two warpflamers;) Hierotek is a bit disappointing. No deepstrike for DM make him very awkard to use without Chronomancer who can yeet him into vantage, while he is on guard. Coincidentaly he is still the best cryptek so thats disappointing. They lost movement ploy in favor of different one that is very situational (needs constant babysitting from cryptek and apprentek which kinda lose its purpose). Small renimator is now MVP and if you let him die, you will make Silent King sad. Overall warpcoven pleasently surprised, Hierotek bit of disappointment.
@@CanYouRollaCrit The other thing I noticed for Wyrmblade is that the Talon had the dash/fall back after fighting before, just worded differently. The actual change to him is that soulsight got split up, so you can either get brutal and balanced (if the enemy is visible) or the double strike (if they're not.) Also to get the doublestrike you can only charge 6", and have to stay in conceal so can't get ceaseless from Cult Ambush. I know you're not calling out the smaller changes to every unit like this in the video though. One thing that's nice for them is the webber finally improving from "worse flamethrower" to "12 inch bolter with guaranteed -1 APL." The leader's web pistol is only 6" but is the same, and IMO worth running now with a maul.
"Kasrkin are fun and very good" I object with all my heart. Now they are not countering elite while their problems remains the same. Lot of squishy models with 3/4 damage and no decent melee. Plasma nerf hits hard, now they have less good operatives which are still squishy. They are just the old kroot, but with less models. Good luck to try to kill anyone with that.
@@CanYouRollaCrit Well I hope so, I am a kasrkin enjoyer. I just dont like new dogfight playstyle implied for them. Your foregrip equip giving you accurate in 3 inches, your faction rule giving you Severe only if you shooting a ready target, so you cant save your gunners activations for the last. good opp will hide against you using smokes and terrain to be obscured and in cover. So you need to get in close range to do a good damage in abscence of AP2. You get there with your melta and plasma, you kill a model and then die. And after your gunners die you get no damage on board. Because karkin are basically gunners and their support. And new faction rule changed karkin from specialists with oh-my-god shooting to kinda jack of all trades, master of none. Not tough enough, not shooty enough, melee... in best case 4 atk 4+ 3/4. Indeed kinda like old kroot. And old kroot were the sick men of killteam. But in the end its only emotions and theoretical thoughts, i didnt play a single game with kasrkin still, so lets hope for the best.
I think the Gellerpox got rather gutted. Pretty incredible they have been nerfed so many data slates and now this and still are probably a good team. The feel no pain and the "drawn to the hum" ploy being mauled is a big blow, as well as the vermin having much less utility now not being able to block or fly. How do you think their playstyle will have to adjust to reflect the new changes?
On Into the Dark, and any layout with similarly tight chokepoints, if the other player picks razorwire and you fail your 2d6=7+ Pollute Stockpiles (for which you already sacrifice an equipment slot) you can now just concede the game. The hulks being unable to move over razor wire, combined with the large footprint of the razorwire and the hulks will be very unfun. Also, the vermin are really not worth sacrificing 2 out of 4 equipment slots - or 2 out of 3, since you need Pollute Stockpiles and doesn't give you anything. But even disregarding that, going down from 24/27 effective average wounds to 21 and basically losing both offensive and defensive ploys on top of that really isn't made up for by the fact that you can now use Light Cover with the hulks. It doesn't matter that you get shot at less when you can't move up the board.
@@CanYouRollaCrit I guess they'll do ok on Volkus, since they can now use Light Terrain for Cover and they profit from the free Saves against shooters on Vantage. On Into the Dark I don't see them being viable, Razorwire/Light Barricades/Accessible shuts the Hulks down too hard with their 5" movement. Vulgrar being stuck on a 6" flamer is also a weird choice.
Is it me or starstriders are amazing? Also feel like corsairs got better too. I feel like hierotek got nerfed, specially the free actions they had got to 1 ap and the flying although they now are better on objectives, but i need to try them because there has been too many changes to know on feel alone...
You think so? The support assets being silent to me feel crazy, maybe im stuck on how strong the assets feel and im missing that any other thing is weaker, idk... also how does equipment work? idk if i skipped it on another video, accidentally but i cant find how many equipment can i take, i see there are no equipment points now, but i assume i cant simply take all
So I'm a little confused about wyrmblade it states in the rules that u can not take 3 am I missing reading it? This equipment allows you to select two mines (see universal equipment). You cannot also select that equipment as normal (i.e. to give you three), and friendly WYRMBLADE operatives are ignored for your mines’ effects (i.e. they cannot trigger or take damage from them). This takes precedence over the normal mines rules.
@@javanmulitalo7319 Oh i see you're right! In the english rules it's three but in the german trnslation it says two. There is a woopsie in translation it seems (not the only one)
I honestly think elites are too strong now and I wouldn’t want a descending parabola of nerfs because they have exaggerated that would take them to suck again…
@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah but i mean, since you reworked the game to make it more fair for elites, why the buffs!moreso if you’re gonna nerf piercing weapons gamewide… (I’m still in shock for inquisition though…pure BS)
think you forgot the most important nerf of Phobos - they lost the action to change order! that was their own unique thing :( or at least I can't find it anywhere n the faction rules.
Thanks for the awesome summary! I'm glad exaction squad got a lot stronger imo, shame they lost the P1, but overall a good rebalance. Can somebody explain, though, what's the point of Heavy (Reposition only)? Isn't that the point of heavy that you can't move, only dash? You almost always want to move and shot, so what's the deal here? Does it prevent you from doing mission actions and shooting or something?
It's just an in-between point. Lighter restriction than regular heavy. It's mostly a replacement for Cumbersome or Clumsy or Suspensor System. Same stuff, different name.
@@CanYouRollaCrit but you still can dash and not shoot, right? And with reposition you get a dash and then some, so it seems like a little weak of a restriction on paper. Maybe I don't see something and playing the game will clarify. Or maybe it's just a lighter restriction, nothing more. I think it is mostly my 2ed brain telling me that moving and shooting with a heavy weapon is just super strong.
Can hierotek operatives only be rezzed once per game? The rule reads place a token the first time one is incapped. I assume a second incap and its dead?
I think this is a mistake but the way they’ve worded apprentek can’t see anything that says cryptek and apprentek can’t do same cryptek action in a TP… so 24” bubble on nanomine potentially 😂… I’m sure that’s not intended but it’s hilarious.
@@40kpunk45 im pretty sure all of them either replace the first ability cast or specifically says they cant be used twice (like canoptek repair), exept for timesplinter, which just cant be used on the same target more than once per TP.
@@CanYouRollaCrit kroot long sight and kasrkin sharpshooter :( I wish they gave kasrkin sniper a side buff to make up for losing -elite points -consistent silent -dash heavy But I get the operative was good competitively or whatever. Kasrkin sharpshooter is just my favorite 😭 I have a bio for them and everything
@CanYouRollaCrit wtf? My friend finally talked me into trying kill team and after agonizing over which team to pick for a start for so long, I finally settled on Hive Fleet. I was literally going to order a warriors and gaunts box this weekend lmao I'm being griefed
void dancers just a pile of trash now. cant really do anything flashy or remarkable, they are still 8 man with 8 wounds who cannot shoot more than 8 inches, but now can be shot easily. a lot fairer, huh? garbage.
You think so? They are basically back to pre-Bheta Decima levels of mobility. 8" pistols will help with double tapping and making full use of their 3 APL, the DJ has better weapon profiles, can use Between the Colours/Darting Salvo and cannot have their debuff simply ignored since now it isn't causing Injured anymore, Seer has their chip damage increased by 2 times on average, players get free ploys. Domino Field isn't a required CP-sink anymore (and people will now never have to learn how to deal with it), Cegorach's Jest is still amazing, and half of the equipment is good and the other half mediocre. Curtain Falls and Murderous Entrance have been nerfed significantly but them being free on players makes up for that in my opinion. Melee weapon choices are still boring, you'll probably almost always want Blades, and sometimes Caresses or Kisses. All in all, they have been buffed tremendously compared to post-Bheta Decima, slightly nerfed compared to pre-Bheta Decima, but with their mobility should be really strong and finally people have no excuses anymore for hating on them since the team basically lost all the expensive tricks that people never bothered to learn.
@@v.y.o. we will see. i get your points, but i think you are too optimistic. the movement is improved for sure, but if they could ignore traversable terrain that would be better. i really hoped they will do that. and they lost the ability to ignore fighters when moving. as i recon everyone have 8" pistols now, so its a universal buff. the free _firefight_ ploy could be good, but you can only do any of them once. the DJ now need a CP to not stay out in the open after shooting - so there is your new CP sink - , the new domino field seems a little random, but maybe. the elusive target ploy - i dont even understand what it does exactly? it switches off vantage point and thats all...? for ONE fighter.... i dont know this whole thing still feels like a nerf. and with domino field gone they lost their unique playstyle, the saedath is now basically nothing. the original was a little too complicated, but it made them unique, i liked it, even if it not neccesarily did much in every game. they now not a horde and certainly not elite, still in between with number of fighters, but their fighters are more on the fragile side. and with obscure changed too (for the better i think) with 8 wounds and no way to avoid shot to pieces by a random anything really before they could get close enough... this seems to be hard. and when you look at something like Angels of Death or legionaries, it feels more like nearly impossible.
@@peterkukk5425 So I played a game with them today, and they feel more fragile than before. They are also hurt quite a lot by Dash not allowing Climbing anymore, so you can't climb over small obstacles at the start and the end of your activation. Saedath are boring now but provide good rerolls. Players getting free Firefight Ploys was great, even though them being noticeably weaker means you don't get those really wild plays from before. Talismans and Toxins are ok, Death Mask and Understudy feel week and might never trigger. Shadowseer's Mirror of Minds is distustingly good since you get 4-6 damage, and often even the full 8 damage, without a chance to save or use obscuring. Other than that the team is still very swingy, and if you don't get good rolls on saves and shuriken you lose operatives super fast. All in all they feel pretty similar to pre-Bheta Decima, if noticeably weaker.
You can still give guardsman orders to the entire team. You just have to use relay from the comms operative
Oh my bad, missed that
@@CanYouRollaCrit and I can see comms beads being taken in every vet guard team going forward
Also you can perform the 'free' dash tp1 or 2 using the new equipment
As a Breacher player, I feel like suffering has become a mandatory barrier to clear if you want to like the team, and this rules update is really evidencing that :(
GW just want you to play Inq 😅😅😅
I mean, I’ve been reading the Kroot changes and Hoo boy, that’s an upgrade. They gained what the greater good lost.
Yeah they're a lot better
I hate that Heirotek lost all of their flying. Feels like a totally different team now.
Oh gosh I missed that Cryptek lost fly too. Yeah it's super weird for them and other teams
Kroot bros did it finally happen? Are we back?
Is it finally time to bird up?
Bird up brother
Nope
That's the word.
I want to know the kroot changes. I also don't want to know the kroot changes. 😊
Kroot is yes
@@CanYouRollaCrit Now that I have seen, I agree. I'll see you in the video!
Sad about my pathfinders but still going to have a lot of fun doing coop with them with the kroot or vespid teams. And im excited to finish painting my corsairs!
Corsairs all the way 🥲
Good choice. Pathfinder drones dont fly. Vespids fly. They got better tech xD
fellgor mangler hitting on 3+ and having +1 wound is gonna make my playgroup fear them even more 😂 instant 12-13 damage with 1 strike upon ambushing. RIP 1 astartes operative if they aren't careful!
Yeah I don't think he'll last like that haha
Holy hour and half, thanks for doing this
Thanks for watching 🥲
Salvagers also lost treat as uninjured on Ancestors are Watching and their ignore ballistics skill modifiers equipment. So getting injured hurts a lot more
Ooooh nice
Glitchlings got a bit of a buff that I think you missed - they can no longer be selected as a valid target while in cover (as before) but it no longer says they have to have a conceal order. So it seems they can sit with an engage order behind cover and be safe
Oh that doesn't seem intentional 😅😂
A someone who just madly dashed through all kinds of changes, hunter clade seems suddenly non-shit, yaay! Now I know what to get for Xmas 😂
Losing optimized gait seems huge nerf.
You def dashed to quickly. They sadly Gain. deprecation effects now so its gonna be VERY different
@@giovannicrespo3947honestly I can't really care about the downsides, they all seem like "use skill in the right time and place or just use the default one to stay the same"
@@GundamReviver dawg if my team is 5 inches for a turn you bet im feeling that downside. We lost control edict as a passive and gained it as a ploy which is alot worse since cp is halved at start of game now, and worse is our equpiment in general got ALOT worse. We lost free mission action and a 4+ invulv on leader. The person who designed this most likely did not test this team too much or they were too good at the game to notice a difference in playability.
@@giovannicrespo3947 what do you mean cp is halves at start of game? Just like previous edition it's start with 2 gain one immediately for a "practically start with 3" hell from turn 2 onward the one thst doesn't get initiative even gets 2 per turn instead of 1!
Blades of Khaine imo is severely bad. No changes to any of the issues the team have. Sadness ensues.
Yeah they're in a rough spot, really bad
@@CanYouRollaCrit this is so sad to hear, I love the models and really wanted to buy them. Maybe I'll still get them for collection purposes...holding out hope that if the Kroot could get buffed, BoK can eventually get some love too
Edit: thank you so much for this video, really amazing (looking through the changes manually was really tedious & I don't know enough about KT to judge the changes, so this video is a life saver)
Think they were overcompensating for the absolutely anemic inqusition codex in mainline 40k 😂
Now make them get 40k treatment lol
Somebody has to buy those boxes.
I am not planning on getting too familiar with these rules. The volume of change is such, that there are bound to be HEAVY balance patches needed (some immediately, some in 3 months) and the landscape is going to be totally different when it settles.
From my point of view, maybe 10% of all the changes were actually needed. There's a lot of change for change's sake, ruining pretty stable balance of the end of KT21.
Welp, krieg have concealed position instead of silent on the sniper despite blooded having silent 😢
On the plus side bruiser going up to 4 attacks and the hand axe equipment might make melee krieg an actual option.
Yeah Krieg in a weird spot
Also being able to just outright ignore the damage of a melee attack against it is big!
@NicerDicerSmart It had that last edition.
Krueg were known for doing the mission and sacrificing bodies. But now you can get max 2vp per turn and that’s not enough. Especially when you give points to your opponent when you die.
Thank you so much for this! :)
No worries, thanks for watching
Absolute warrior! Your doing the emperors work.
Aha thanks
Just wanted to say thank you for the untiringly coverage.
Cheers!
Haha thanks (:
Blinding Aura is also little bit stronger, I think - now you are simply not valid target, not only in cover, so it will work with engage order too. And it has possibility of wasting enemy's AP (if no valid target is available AP used for shooting is not refunded).
Ooooh that's true!
@@CanYouRollaCrit I got some more time to watch further and I also have a question about Rubrics - for sure will they lose APL if wander more than 9’’ from sorcerer during their activation? I know, that now APL modification is instant, but condition is “whenever this operative is activated”, not “while it is active” - and from browsing through the rules (although I had much less time with them than you), I got impression, that being activated is referring to choosing operative for being active, in essence, that it is start of activation, not any moment of it.
So many interesting changes!!! Loving what Kasrkin have become! The leader is now 3 APL too FYI. Super strong! (I think elucia Vhaine is also 3 APL now too)
Yeah Kasrkin more fun and Vhane is 3APL
The Psychomancer's Visions of Madness does not delay a units activation by D6; when an oppoent tries to activate them, you roll a D6, and if you roll their APL or higher, they need to choose a different activation. The idea is the same, but its less certain the length, making it harder to strategize around. It also makes it a worse option into Elites inherently.
Oooooh, my bad haha
RE Warpcoven, there’s intent to reduce decision paralysis in Sorcerer configuration and spell choice. Some people will be upset by this but I suspect the majority of players will like the change and may attract more players to the faction.
Several thematic and mechanical synergies many players have been asking for have finally been adopted. Take Savage Herd for example which extends x2 AoE buffs to Tzaangor when visible by Sorcerer.
Tzaangor profiles offer genuine choices based on the win condition. Icon, Horn, Shield, Chainsword/Autopistol all have far more play alongside Blades.
Rubrics finally get their 3APL (cond.) 2+ 14W 5” baked into profiles, and AiD moved to ploy with genuine value.
Unsure whether the ceiling is lower but the lower floor to entry and synergies make them so much more playable. It’ll likely show in tournament result where cognitive burn out was a really issue for all but the most experienced players.
They're easier to play but still high ceiling imo
A few corrections: the Wade-In ability for the axejack just doesn't exist anymore, it's been completely removed. Kroot have been a 12 operative team for a while now, was changed in a balance dataslate last edition. Poach is also UNCHANGED from last edition, it's always worked like that. Kill Broker has always been 4 attacks. The Cut-Skin is also unchanged except getting Ceaseless instead of balanced, it could always fight twice. Heavy Gunner had a 1 point damage buff to both weapons. Also incorrect about how Pech'Ra works, it goes in the enemy operative's control range & gives friendlies shooting that enemy Seek Light. You also missed the Stalker's Stealth Attack being less restrictive to use, the Bow Hunter's voltaic profile being buffed & altered to blast, & Kroot hounds not being able to Fall Back when they Gather.
Wade in used to be an action, now its an ability,
Yeah but they're a full 12 activation team no matter which operatives taken
Kill broker was 3 attacks 3/4, now is 4/5 base at 4
Yeah missed those but Kroot are better. Although Poach needs to be changed now due to how toxic it is with Loot and Sabotage
Legionary warrior get the most insane ability while intercession warriors got none :(
Yeah angels of death warriors are odd
💚Hierotek Circle is looking insanely fun this edition💚
Technonancer actually good?
Hi John, although I'm not a regular player, I always enjoy your videos and write ups.
Thanks, glad you enjoy it (:
Day 1 FAQ: "If your Inquistion support units do not have piercing weapons, Choose three of the operatives and give the piercing rule to their weapon."
Give them piercing 2 for 1CP
First of all, thank you for putting this all together! I agree with a lot of your points. However, I feel like your analysis of inquisition is a bit harsh. A few points for consideration:
Questkeeper - she lost FNP and only received the nerfed version with no extra wounds to makeup. She lost her balance on charge. When she would charge into ops that were quarried, she often rerolled two dice anyway so 3+ doesn’t feel like a buff that breaks her albeit it is a buff. She’s a melee specialist and they seem to be making melee specialist hit better (crimson duelist)
Deathworld vet- lost reap 2 which actually helped me a lot in games vs hordes.
Enlightener - was terrible, his buff puts him in the running at least
The team lost the ability to buff pistols, which was a mainstay for leader, mystic, and sometimes pistolier. This is big nerf against mystic especially.
Interrogators pistol is now usable but they had to do something because he is garbage otherwise.
Ancillary: navy was the best in ‘21 edition. They nerfed that down to 5 models and made the grenadier much worse (grenades losing seek). Kasrkin are much better now hitting on 3’s and having the recon but they bring 0 melee to the table which is usually needed. Krieg are now more a consideration with the confidant and being able to get the 6th body. I don’t think any of the ancillary breaks them and just because they have so many options doesn’t mean more than 16 are actually worthwhile. With Navy taking a hit, I think they buffed the inquisition team a bit to help.
Quarry buff is very helpful but it’s much more difficult to pull off than most teams ploys. So many teams get rerolls and accurate or piercing for just moving or being near an objective, quarry is significantly more difficult to manage.
All that to say, I don’t think inquisition is as broken as you think, even though I do think they are a very good team.
Unfortunately everyone lost FNP so the quest keeper never should get to hit on 3s. Currently they're extremely broken so I'm hoping they get toned down ASAP
Sad to see the direction they went with some teams, patricularly Inquisitorial agents and Fellgore ravagers. For sure entirely inconsistent in their balancing, and the person handling the inquisition had absolutely no idea about balance.
Or they did and are advertising a new faction
Yeah very dumb bad job with Inq
Im pretty disappointed so far. It feels like they over complicated quite a few things and nerfed a lot of what made some of the teams feel so fun. I mean Last edition if you wanted "B" to happen, you just had to do "A". Now its for "B" to happen, "A", "C" and "D" have to happen first. Then roll a D6......
Ah it's actually simpler imo
@CanYouRollaCrit. I dont know, the rules that i have seen so far have really "taken the wind out of my sails" when it comes to this launch. Also im referring to rules like Disgusting Vigour vs Disgusting Resilience
Don’t forget the whole meta and the game itself is different… play it out before you make a judgement call on whether the changes are good / bad… it’s gonna feel very different!
@@40kpunk45 I agree that the meta changed. But. Vetguard got Nuked and Khorne Legionaires are insane
So, i just looked at a few teams. I will look more into it later. But a couple of things i'd like to note or get corrected on hunter clade:
Control edict: Now it needs to chose the leader as one of the operatives. So you can't do surveyor into gunner, which is a huge nerf, like i can see not using it at all in half the games.
Doctrinas: We no longer have anything that says that we ignore the deprecation on the first use. This is a huge nerf imo.
Yeah hunter clade is probably my fav team. A little sad on the nerfs but it will probably be fine
Yeah quite a bit of nerf
They are still super flexible and can go melee or shooting depending on what will be better against the enemy.
Do lament the loss of Climbing Gear on the Jaegir's though I can see why they've done that with the change to Dauntless Explorer. Would have been way imbalanced to have everyone move up and have the ability to easily reposition on to vantage points. Ladders ahoy!
Kindaaa but I think it'd still be fine imo
wow. pathies completely obliterated
Yup it's rough ):
Was so close to finishing painting mine :(
They're no longer Pathfinders they're path losers 😔🥹
It was bound to happen given their strength even after their previous nerf. Now we’ll see how long it takes for them to buff everything or nerf the top teams.
This has killed me. So the vespid stingwings all fly about but their drone is just buzzing on the floor? Makes no sense
Just going back to Phobos leader, it feels like a big nerf not to get 1CP for 1APL, but you get a lot in return. More likely to get initiative, then pass your activation, is really good, especially against elites. Extra firefight ploy (if not using Patient Ambush) is basically that CP right back in your lap, but without using an APL.
Not a fan of Comms 4+ roll for an extra CP, but best guess is designers were worried it would be too strong.
I really don't see Phobos players being super unhappy, and they're at least as strong as they were, and maybe more killy.
I'm really not a fan of abilities requiring another roll to trigger, Kill Team is swingy enough already =(
I'm very dissapointed by phobos if I'm being honest, they lost a lot of what made them feel fun to me last edition
Ooof, the crappy double hit firefight ploy has gotten even worse, since you now need to play a strategic ploy first to even be able to use it. Basically requiring the commsman who is otherwise hot random garbage now...
They're more killy but less good at turtling
Something about hunter clade, I don't know if you missed or I didn't hear, the Doctrina Imperitives no longer ignore the downside the first time they are picked, really hurting the consistency of the AdMech
Ooof yeah that sucks
The cultists changes feel so bad, I get they were OP but they took everything that made them fun and nerfed it to the ground
Yeah they should have got something in return. Especially with how inquisition were buffed
I was very excited at first because i thought that the firefight ploy which removes range from support abilities would also let timesplinter teleport the target without range. On second read through i learned thats not how it works :P
Yeah unfortunately 😅
Will be interesting if day 1 FAQ moderates the Hunter Clade Deprecation (which they did towards late Edn2).
It’s a shame Control Edict has been opened to Sicarian leaders, limited to one Sicarian for the Edict, and therefore doesn’t synergise well with the baked in Sicarian leader Canticle abilities ie you can’t have a Sicarian leader offering its Canticle benefit to a Sicarian, and Edict them as a pair. That would have played well thematically and makes more sense to the flow of the game.
Regardless, the Infiltrator pairing can form a reliable objective bunker on Conceal (4APL 21W 4+, heal equipment, suppress Piercing equipment, suppress being targeted ability AoE 3” 40mm bases, silent+saturate pistols, etc). Mix in Scrapcode Overload ploy (APL debuff), or Omissiah’s Imperative ploy on Bulwark Doctrina (ceaseless defence dice, plus 3+ save & additional defence dice ie x4 save dice before Piercing), or Neurostatic Interface ploy (6” reroll suppression), and that’s a formidable bunker or staging zone.
Maybe but I don't think that'll change for now
With warpcoven the sorcerous automata rule kicks in when the operative is activated so it wouldn't lose the apl if it moves away from a sorcerer.
But that's not how APL rules work now
@CanYouRollaCrit so by your interpretation if it moved within 9 it would go back to 3 apl?
@Capedchamele0n yeah as that's how the new APL stats work
@@CanYouRollaCrit I haven't seen the core rules to know the new way APL works, but based on the wording of the rubrics ability being "whenever this operative is activated" I would think it only checks at the start of the activation whether to subtract an APL, not throughout the entire activation. If that wording is used to mean "at any time during it's activation" I'd wonder if the Legionary Warrior can change his mark at any time, so be able to move 7 and then get ceaseless or severe to shoot. And since it's not actually an action, could the warrior change multiple times per turn?
Thanks for going over these. Looking forward to the guides, may The Emperor give you strength to get through them all lol
Thanks I'm trying 🫠
Kreig regroup is end closer to that operative, not towards the enemy territory.
My bad 😅
You are a legend, thank you :)
No worries (:
New ion rifle does indeed have piercing 1 while hot. It also has lethal 5+ and hot ofc. It's the standard shot that only has piecing crits 1.
Ah my bad
Im really not happy with the changes to chaos cult but assuming the harlequins drop gets fixed I think I’ll be fine, also man am I excited to try out the changes to nemesis claw.
Yeah NC feeling great still
Hernkyn Yaegirs warriors actually have 4 attack knives if you pick the pistol and knife option. There’s now an actual reason to bring them, especially with the range increase to pistols.
However, I miss the completely busted gunner loadouts for hearth guard. The Piercing 2 plasma beamer and bajillion damage magna rail were some of the most overkill weapons in the entire game.
Yeah I cover that in the Yaegir review (:
Thansk for doing this overview - really useful.
Just looking at the Pathfinders PDF, the Drone Controller has some nice additions: Drones get +2" move (which makes up slightly for losing Fly), and can use Saviour Protocols for free. Remote Pilot seems pretty good too for making extra attacks or doing mission actions.
Also, Ions do get Piercing when hot :)
No worries. Those are okay but PF still are quite bad overall imo
@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah, they def took some hits :(
Plasmacyte reanimated Hierotek operatives only return expended if the operative was already expended this turning point, so if the reanimated operatve wasnt activated yet this turning point or it's the next turning point, you can still activate it.
Yup!
Dayum sad for the chaos cult - it had potential to get my favourite killteam but than got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed before i completed it xS
Yeah they kinda got overkilled
I'm bummed out, I'm currently finishing painting gellerpox and have the cult to build next as I was lucky to get the ashes of faith box and myate has inquisition, so a whole campaign with the strongest v the weakest team is going to be fun. Getting rid of wound ignoring rolls was the one thing that sounded fun with these guys. Gutted
For the pathfinders, the drones lost fly, but they gain 2in of move if the controller is on the field. They can also do savior protocol for free as long as he's alive. The controller can also control drone multiple times on his turn. If you hit him with a plus APL from comms, he could do it three times. I think with kauyon, the orbital uplink, and high intensity markerlight, they still stand a chance. At least until the drones or controller go down. (Drone army for the win).
Is there any clarification on the grenade specialist ability? As it's written, Grenadires seem to be able to use unlimited krak and frag grenades unless I'm missing something. (There no limit on their stats, and it says uses don't count against any limit you may have).
All grenadiers have unlimited nades. Drones still are just okay imo
I was hopeful for a brief minute. But then I played a solo game... the drone controller is better. The MB3 is still good. Point-blank fusillade is helpful. The rest is bad. I have an itemized list of complaints.
I read the wyrmblade ploy, as only the fallback for cult agents costing an APL. Those are seperate sentences, i think.
Ah okay
@@CanYouRollaCrit I mean, I am not completely sure about that, and I am no expert xD
@lucastb1775 oh 😅😅😅
The Death Korps veteran oddly shifted. I knew they were going to take away FNPs on him, but reducing damage by 1 for each hit over 3 is odd. Giving him a free guardsmen order and the slight uptick on his robohand is good. It's just an overall weird shift. Feels compendiumy.
Just made em more punchy but not overly durable
For exaction squat your gunners e.g. the grenade launcher can shoot into combat but you can't throw grenades there. Right? And no range is specified so nobody can hide in close combat against shots from the sniper, who by the way still hits on 2+ if no typo.
You could at any range but i feel like RAW the grenade launcher shouldn't be able to shoot into combat
@@CanYouRollaCrit Yeah. I think so too...I'am just worried and try how to get better against Legionarys, which are pretty common in my home meta. Without the p1 special rule i don't know how to kill a marine... i guess it's time for inquisitorial agents🙈
Honestly the Kasrkin changes feel like they're trying to drive Guard players to buy the Aquilons kits. The team wasn't that competitive now, with Elite Points and the Marksman being the only really reliable threats in their toolkit. Now both of those are gone.
Yeah but they hit on 3s so it's all good
@@CanYouRollaCrit That takes some of the sting out of it, sure, but being able to guarantee at least two hits, if not a crit and a hit, felt like it let them genuinely threaten elites in a way that I'm not sure they can do anymore. I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong. I plan to play some games with them to see if I am, but my initial reaction to them on paper isn't positive.
Hello
Thanks for making great content.
No worries, thanks for watching (:
I was just getting into killteam and now I have to relearn them all
Yup, that's what happens with new editions (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit I was looking to get breachers but they don’t seem as good now
It looks like Blooded are the team where a formerly legal way to assemble a single box is now illegal
How so?
@@CanYouRollaCrit AFAIK you could give the chieftain a plasma pistol and still take a plasma gunner. 8 other operatives + enforcer + ogryn, everything from one box and no model left over to fill in.
It's funny how some teams are "toxic" and some are "funny" based on if you play them or not.
I play toxic teams too lol, what I play or not doesn't really influence my feelings on when stuff is broken or not 😂
Question should I buy and buil dKroot again? Last time I sold them and Im not sure how hard those change balance them? :D
Kroot are fun!
Support Asset from Starstriders does not work the same than before. In Season 2 it was a seperate Activation and now you do it in an operatives activation instead of a shoot action. Which is a huge nerf.
Yeah but more balanced
Vet Guard practically unplayable. Like, nobody's going to take that team if they don't have to.
They'll take them in Inq
Pleasently surprised with warpcoven. Gunners can be two but one of each. No two warpflamers;) Hierotek is a bit disappointing. No deepstrike for DM make him very awkard to use without Chronomancer who can yeet him into vantage, while he is on guard. Coincidentaly he is still the best cryptek so thats disappointing. They lost movement ploy in favor of different one that is very situational (needs constant babysitting from cryptek and apprentek which kinda lose its purpose). Small renimator is now MVP and if you let him die, you will make Silent King sad. Overall warpcoven pleasently surprised, Hierotek bit of disappointment.
You can take 2 warp flamers (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit my bad. You can only take one warpflame pistol. True true.
For wyrmblade if you take the explsive traps equipment you can't also take the regular mine as well
Yeah minor error there (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit The other thing I noticed for Wyrmblade is that the Talon had the dash/fall back after fighting before, just worded differently. The actual change to him is that soulsight got split up, so you can either get brutal and balanced (if the enemy is visible) or the double strike (if they're not.) Also to get the doublestrike you can only charge 6", and have to stay in conceal so can't get ceaseless from Cult Ambush. I know you're not calling out the smaller changes to every unit like this in the video though. One thing that's nice for them is the webber finally improving from "worse flamethrower" to "12 inch bolter with guaranteed -1 APL." The leader's web pistol is only 6" but is the same, and IMO worth running now with a maul.
My Kasrkin, elite points have basically been split in three
Just play them in Inq 🫠
"Kasrkin are fun and very good" I object with all my heart. Now they are not countering elite while their problems remains the same. Lot of squishy models with 3/4 damage and no decent melee. Plasma nerf hits hard, now they have less good operatives which are still squishy. They are just the old kroot, but with less models. Good luck to try to kill anyone with that.
But they hit on 3s and are more flexible now
@@CanYouRollaCrit Well I hope so, I am a kasrkin enjoyer. I just dont like new dogfight playstyle implied for them. Your foregrip equip giving you accurate in 3 inches, your faction rule giving you Severe only if you shooting a ready target, so you cant save your gunners activations for the last. good opp will hide against you using smokes and terrain to be obscured and in cover. So you need to get in close range to do a good damage in abscence of AP2. You get there with your melta and plasma, you kill a model and then die. And after your gunners die you get no damage on board. Because karkin are basically gunners and their support. And new faction rule changed karkin from specialists with oh-my-god shooting to kinda jack of all trades, master of none. Not tough enough, not shooty enough, melee... in best case 4 atk 4+ 3/4. Indeed kinda like old kroot. And old kroot were the sick men of killteam.
But in the end its only emotions and theoretical thoughts, i didnt play a single game with kasrkin still, so lets hope for the best.
I once again beg you to start uploading on Spotify!
Aha not happening sadly as I already have a podcast (:
Whoop whoop!!
It's cominggg
I think the Gellerpox got rather gutted. Pretty incredible they have been nerfed so many data slates and now this and still are probably a good team. The feel no pain and the "drawn to the hum" ploy being mauled is a big blow, as well as the vermin having much less utility now not being able to block or fly. How do you think their playstyle will have to adjust to reflect the new changes?
On Into the Dark, and any layout with similarly tight chokepoints, if the other player picks razorwire and you fail your 2d6=7+ Pollute Stockpiles (for which you already sacrifice an equipment slot) you can now just concede the game.
The hulks being unable to move over razor wire, combined with the large footprint of the razorwire and the hulks will be very unfun. Also, the vermin are really not worth sacrificing 2 out of 4 equipment slots - or 2 out of 3, since you need Pollute Stockpiles and doesn't give you anything.
But even disregarding that, going down from 24/27 effective average wounds to 21 and basically losing both offensive and defensive ploys on top of that really isn't made up for by the fact that you can now use Light Cover with the hulks. It doesn't matter that you get shot at less when you can't move up the board.
They just play super control imo. Good vs everyone else sans elites
@@CanYouRollaCrit I guess they'll do ok on Volkus, since they can now use Light Terrain for Cover and they profit from the free Saves against shooters on Vantage. On Into the Dark I don't see them being viable, Razorwire/Light Barricades/Accessible shuts the Hulks down too hard with their 5" movement. Vulgrar being stuck on a 6" flamer is also a weird choice.
Is it me or starstriders are amazing?
Also feel like corsairs got better too.
I feel like hierotek got nerfed, specially the free actions they had got to 1 ap and the flying although they now are better on objectives, but i need to try them because there has been too many changes to know on feel alone...
Striders are slightly worse than before imo
You think so? The support assets being silent to me feel crazy, maybe im stuck on how strong the assets feel and im missing that any other thing is weaker, idk... also how does equipment work? idk if i skipped it on another video, accidentally but i cant find how many equipment can i take, i see there are no equipment points now, but i assume i cant simply take all
So I'm a little confused about wyrmblade it states in the rules that u can not take 3 am I missing reading it?
This equipment allows you to select two mines
(see universal equipment). You cannot also
select that equipment as normal (i.e. to give you
three), and friendly WYRMBLADE operatives are
ignored for your mines’ effects (i.e. they cannot
trigger or take damage from them). This takes
precedence over the normal mines rules.
Yeah it's just 2 mines
Phobos just feel like a different team now
They have changed quite a bit
they really do. Why would they drop omni-scramblers??? That was such a fun and unique mechanic
I think the assault intercessor grenadier only gets the damage grenades, no mention of the utility ones on his datacard
Yeah I got it mixed up, corrected in their own review (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit sorry! That is actually the next video I'm gonna watch! Thanks for pumping out the reviews so quick!
I knew it I knew theyre gonna bring back 4 AP weapons on inquisition lmao 😭
I don't think that will last lol
Don't know If smbdy else pointed this already out but...
Salvagers now can only send two gunners into battle 😢
Nah check the new kill team app, you can still take 3 gunners. But losing auto Calibrations is big
Yeah still 3 gunners
@@javanmulitalo7319 Oh i see you're right! In the english rules it's three but in the german trnslation it says two. There is a woopsie in translation it seems (not the only one)
It seems the pathfinder sniper also lost the ability to marker light ,he doesnt have the keyword
Oh he never could aha
@@CanYouRollaCrit huh ,damn ok, never noticed that him and the gunners dont have that,thanks for the help
Just watched Glass Half Dead. Playing AoD vs Legionaries and his mate placed a grisly mark in TP1...
Did you mean grisly trophies?
Grisly Mark, yeah. Grisly Trophy was removed
What day 1 balance slate change do you think could prop up new pathfinders just a little? (Or maybe day 365...)
Let them be taken in Inquisition
I honestly think elites are too strong now and I wouldn’t want a descending parabola of nerfs because they have exaggerated that would take them to suck again…
It's more the game than elites imo. 3 objectives and counteraction too good
@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah but i mean, since you reworked the game to make it more fair for elites, why the buffs!moreso if you’re gonna nerf piercing weapons gamewide… (I’m still in shock for inquisition though…pure BS)
So Death Guard got dropped? Or did I zone out during their part
Compendium were removed 2 months ago
So, I guess we lost Talons of the Emperor?
2 months ago, yes
Balefire Acolyte still does MW on Fireball
Yeah but not as much as it used to
They didn't even add Tempestus Aquilons to the Inquisition SMH
They're too cool for inquisition
Exaction squad should be able to shoot into melee at any range or am i missguided ? Cuz it doesnt state the 6 inch range from last edition
Yeah that's been removed
37:00 > Gunners are gone, baked into Player profile
What are you talking about?
Gunners are no longer seperate operatives, they're weapon choices for players
@@CanYouRollaCrit VDT never had gunners. Are you thinking of the compendium Harlequin team?
Yeah i was confused too, the pistols were always just an option for the players
think you forgot the most important nerf of Phobos - they lost the action to change order! that was their own unique thing :(
or at least I can't find it anywhere n the faction rules.
They now have to spend a cp to turn that on
Yeah it's a strat ploy now
Fantastic video. Sad about the salvagar changes. I geuss its yaegerin time
YAEGIRING TIMEEE
Thanks for the awesome summary! I'm glad exaction squad got a lot stronger imo, shame they lost the P1, but overall a good rebalance. Can somebody explain, though, what's the point of Heavy (Reposition only)? Isn't that the point of heavy that you can't move, only dash? You almost always want to move and shot, so what's the deal here? Does it prevent you from doing mission actions and shooting or something?
It's just an in-between point. Lighter restriction than regular heavy. It's mostly a replacement for Cumbersome or Clumsy or Suspensor System. Same stuff, different name.
Means you can't charge or dash etc. Quite limiting
@@CanYouRollaCrit but you still can dash and not shoot, right? And with reposition you get a dash and then some, so it seems like a little weak of a restriction on paper. Maybe I don't see something and playing the game will clarify. Or maybe it's just a lighter restriction, nothing more. I think it is mostly my 2ed brain telling me that moving and shooting with a heavy weapon is just super strong.
@47:40 GIs lost their 5+ invulnerable save, which is huge. I don't see it mentioned?
GLS?
@@CanYouRollaCrit Gellerpox Infected? They changed the Revoltingly Resilient: on a 5+ they don't take damage to "on a 5+ reduce incoming damage by 1"
Does this mean any team not listed in your video can't be used in the new version?
Yeah, compendium are all gone
@@CanYouRollaCrit well that might be the end of my killteam journey then. Thanks for making my purchases worthless GW
Please, do not tell me that hunter cadre is gone
Compendium was removed 2 months ago
Can hierotek operatives only be rezzed once per game? The rule reads place a token the first time one is incapped. I assume a second incap and its dead?
I'd need to check again but yes
@@CanYouRollaCrit it reads "The first time a friendly Hierotek circle operative dies..."
Phobos have recon and infiltration archetype
Yeah I, forgot to mention but I do in their faction guide
@@CanYouRollaCrit Cant wait to see your guide for phobos 👍
Does anyone know if Hearthkyn Salvagers still get Auto-Calibration?
I believe they're gone
I think this is a mistake but the way they’ve worded apprentek can’t see anything that says cryptek and apprentek can’t do same cryptek action in a TP… so 24” bubble on nanomine potentially 😂… I’m sure that’s not intended but it’s hilarious.
It says in the description of nanomine that the first disapear when used again
Yeah so not as useful still
So not nanomine but LOTS of those cryptek abilities can be used twice which is 😱
@@40kpunk45 im pretty sure all of them either replace the first ability cast or specifically says they cant be used twice (like canoptek repair), exept for timesplinter, which just cant be used on the same target more than once per TP.
@@jonasutoft2977 ah fair enough I’ll have to take another look clearly! 😂
My snipers noooo 😢
Which ones? :O
@@CanYouRollaCrit kroot long sight and kasrkin sharpshooter :( I wish they gave kasrkin sniper a side buff to make up for losing
-elite points
-consistent silent
-dash heavy
But I get the operative was good competitively or whatever. Kasrkin sharpshooter is just my favorite 😭 I have a bio for them and everything
Where is the Hive Fleet?
They're gone
@CanYouRollaCrit wtf? My friend finally talked me into trying kill team and after agonizing over which team to pick for a start for so long, I finally settled on Hive Fleet. I was literally going to order a warriors and gaunts box this weekend lmao I'm being griefed
void dancers just a pile of trash now. cant really do anything flashy or remarkable, they are still 8 man with 8 wounds who cannot shoot more than 8 inches, but now can be shot easily. a lot fairer, huh? garbage.
You think so? They are basically back to pre-Bheta Decima levels of mobility. 8" pistols will help with double tapping and making full use of their 3 APL, the DJ has better weapon profiles, can use Between the Colours/Darting Salvo and cannot have their debuff simply ignored since now it isn't causing Injured anymore, Seer has their chip damage increased by 2 times on average, players get free ploys.
Domino Field isn't a required CP-sink anymore (and people will now never have to learn how to deal with it), Cegorach's Jest is still amazing, and half of the equipment is good and the other half mediocre. Curtain Falls and Murderous Entrance have been nerfed significantly but them being free on players makes up for that in my opinion.
Melee weapon choices are still boring, you'll probably almost always want Blades, and sometimes Caresses or Kisses.
All in all, they have been buffed tremendously compared to post-Bheta Decima, slightly nerfed compared to pre-Bheta Decima, but with their mobility should be really strong and finally people have no excuses anymore for hating on them since the team basically lost all the expensive tricks that people never bothered to learn.
They're super mobile and have DJ for range
@@v.y.o. we will see. i get your points, but i think you are too optimistic. the movement is improved for sure, but if they could ignore traversable terrain that would be better. i really hoped they will do that. and they lost the ability to ignore fighters when moving. as i recon everyone have 8" pistols now, so its a universal buff. the free _firefight_ ploy could be good, but you can only do any of them once. the DJ now need a CP to not stay out in the open after shooting - so there is your new CP sink - , the new domino field seems a little random, but maybe. the elusive target ploy - i dont even understand what it does exactly? it switches off vantage point and thats all...? for ONE fighter.... i dont know this whole thing still feels like a nerf. and with domino field gone they lost their unique playstyle, the saedath is now basically nothing. the original was a little too complicated, but it made them unique, i liked it, even if it not neccesarily did much in every game. they now not a horde and certainly not elite, still in between with number of fighters, but their fighters are more on the fragile side. and with obscure changed too (for the better i think) with 8 wounds and no way to avoid shot to pieces by a random anything really before they could get close enough... this seems to be hard. and when you look at something like Angels of Death or legionaries, it feels more like nearly impossible.
@@peterkukk5425 So I played a game with them today, and they feel more fragile than before. They are also hurt quite a lot by Dash not allowing Climbing anymore, so you can't climb over small obstacles at the start and the end of your activation.
Saedath are boring now but provide good rerolls.
Players getting free Firefight Ploys was great, even though them being noticeably weaker means you don't get those really wild plays from before.
Talismans and Toxins are ok, Death Mask and Understudy feel week and might never trigger.
Shadowseer's Mirror of Minds is distustingly good since you get 4-6 damage, and often even the full 8 damage, without a chance to save or use obscuring.
Other than that the team is still very swingy, and if you don't get good rolls on saves and shuriken you lose operatives super fast.
All in all they feel pretty similar to pre-Bheta Decima, if noticeably weaker.
Where my mcfukkin tactical marine kill team GW
They'll probably be removed from 40k first
@@CanYouRollaCrit yes. And I hate it
3 objectives ruined the game.
I wouldn't say ruined haha