This Class Is BRUTAL to New Players In Guild Wars 2
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- I was curious why new players tended to stay away from the Thief in Guild wars 2, so I jumped in to see how it felt playing the core thief in tough endgame content! Here are my thoughts!
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3000 hours on Thief here, can’t play anything else because everyother class feels cumbersome, clunky and lacking mobility.
It's weird isn't it? After you've gotten so good at a single profession it's near impossible to find that feel anywhere else!
I just started GW2 today. My first MMO and I like the sound of thief
Bro u are me. I cant play eny other class get bore in seconds
same here, 4500 hours on thief, and every other class feels lame for me.
I got gw2 on release date by mail and it took me 12 years to get into this game.
Thief was the 9th and last profession left because the others just didn't give the Guild Wars 1 feeling I grew up with.
And made my thief with 0 expectation. I've done world completion in 150 hours and got all skills unlocked.
Thief is the only class I'll ever need and now with the spear 😍
Straight up Oberyn style.
When I first played this game in 2014, I started with the Thief. Had no idea it was supposed to be that complex. Assassin is my go to class so I went with it. Enjoyed the hell out of it. Favorite part was that it depended less on repeating the same rotation over and over and more on reacting at the right time and using skills situationally instead of pressing buttons in the same order to maximize damage.
I remember the first time I went into PvP, I had no idea what I was doing. The sheer mobility and subterfuge was so much fun. For me its always been the most intuitive class to play. I can't recall the build but the weapon set I most favored was Sword/Pistol and Shortbow.
Super excited to try the Power Daredevil now.
I have zero playtime on a thief. But this will change this weekend. The video looks like i could have some fun with it, gonna try it out.
Honestly I just enjoyed the meticulous play of it. It really makes you think and plan!
@@CaffeinatedDad So far it is really fun. Even tho i am only Level 75 yet. But i really enjoy the playstyle. Usually when it comes to MMOs i play a Heavy Armor class that just sits in th emiddle of everything until everyone is dead. Opponent or ally. But this is way more engaging. I mean yea..the learning curve is pretty steep for me. but that is part of the fun i think.
@@CaffeinatedDadn other side of coin, thief class can afk solo anything and exploit sneak into any tower or keep in WvW and flip a keep solo without even contesting it (thanks to caltrops and dagger 5 with Shadow art traits... you go full viper gear, F1 > dagger 5 > Caltrop + dodges caltrops trait > repeat each 3 sec dagger 5 so you are always stealthed. So for Thief vs NPC who can't detect stealth or counter stealth = 1/10 scale. So only in sPvP and zerg fights (usually thief not a zerging class... is where you need to think).
I was verry scared of the thief when i was starting out, but to be honest once u get around10 hours on it ull be comfortable enough to play any game mode.
All in all, once u go thief u never go back :3
That's why I wanted to make a video on it! I just ended up playing well after I was done recording!
New player to GW2. I have a months worth of xp in gw2. 14 years of wow XP as rogue & warlock .Tried necro (reaper) and thief (daredevil and deadeye) .. people tried to scare me off thief, with this "thief is the hardest and you'll be dead alot" I find myself alive, alot during meta events and in fractals i'm often the last man standing when things go sideways. D/D thief takes some time to adjust to, but it's dmg is huge when doing open world content. also thieves guild for elites and champions is king!
Speaking as someone with a warrior main, playing Thief was initially very painful, due to not just a decrease in direct survivability... but a literal absence of it. One second, dead.
But as soon as I got into playing the role, so to speak, and treated it as a game of tag with enemies - where the goal is to not be touched - I found that it clicked with me a lot more. Being able to wipe every condition on me, twice, via stealth... and having three stealth utilities equipped; much fun.
Even the group stealth thing can be highly effective as a support tool, but it does require that teammates understand that they're invisible. That they should not immediately attack something, but consider the stealth an opportunity to catch their breath and calculate.
The timing issue with the skills is taking a while to master though - Warrior abilities are INCREDIBLY sluggish. Due to a combination of the ability designs and their attack animations, coupled with inherent latency, the optimal technique for my warrior is to actually hold down the button until it fires, because that's the only way to ensure that it WILL fire.
But with thief? You have to touch-type with your action bar.
One thing I did observe - the action cam shines. Because it forces you to focus less on the broader aspects of the battle, less on specific targeting at range, and more on your own position and movement. And it seems like mastering your own basic movement is the absolute foundation of thief survival; your presence is inherently disruptive, so the primary focus should be on maintaining your own presence.
Speaking again as a warrior - there is nothing more confusing than encountering a well-played thief who makes their teammates vanish, forcing you to stand there blinking like an idiot, wondering if someone teleported or turned invis or disconnected or whut.
It's funny that Thief is both the least and most survivabal class in the game, but it comes from mobility and conditions instead of just mitigating damage
I dont want to play range though.
I've played thief since day 1 of Gw2, I love the dynamic nature of the play, you have to be aware as you said. I think there are too many Profesions that off lower risk for same rewards in PVE and also give out more supporting boons and why you see less of them. Even the "support spec" spectre is limited by a game that does splash boons so much that supporting a tethered target feels like extra work for the sake of it.
Off course in WvW and PvP when played well they are the punishers for the players that over extend in a flash a thief has you in a world of hurt. Yet I will continue to harber the thief close to my heart, especisally playing a little asuran thief the death blosssom with asuran is so yoda :D
Hahaha that's a certain aesthetic that I feel like everyone enjoys, asuran necromancer or thief as they both fit very well.
The thief does offer some challenging gameplay albeit very unique
Just checked 11,284 hrs on my main (plus maybe a couple hundred on a thief I made to run HoT well under leveled). I've got 1,946 hrs on a mesmer I use for map, HP, tour runs, and another maybe just shy of 1K on my other alts in total (I have each profession which I've boosted just to learn them for PvP and 12 mesmers parked around JPs and such for my map runs) My total in game is 15,886 over my 22 characters. I've been playing since before HoT but still this tells me I need a life lul. I've only leveled my main and another theif (level through HoT btw, yes stealth is important lul).
GW2 was my first game aside from Tetris and Battle Toads/Mario back in the day. I started just before HoT was released. I was so green I put in a ticket because my 'F' skill was just a black box (back then it was just a black box until you stole something) and I thought it was a glitch or broken. I started HoT through getting in to Auric Basin from
Guilded Hollow. No idea you had to start the story to get a glider, ran around straight up lvl 80 for about 3 wks just lvl 80 unlocking all the WPs and even did Dragon Stand 20 times before I got my glider. Just used to Tel to Friend for the last fight until I ran out then just went and got pod while the last fight raged. Well, 8 or so years later and I'm a pretty decent thief whose solo'd dungeons, HoT HP bosses, completed all the raid wings, hit plat in sPvP.... commanded hundreds of map runs and events from Orr to Silver Waste to HoT and PoF, tought Raiding....
Just a warning.
If you played something like necro and now you wanna try thief you are going to have a hard time before you get used to it.
I had it the other way around..
When I made my reaper I felt like a god.
You have to really dance around as a thief when you want to defeat necro but the satisfaction is something necro can only dream of.
Some of the easier professions like necromancer give you that sense of security then another will rip it away!
I would suck as a thief since I always forget to use dodge 😅
I tend to make that mistake lol
Other day, had just got a thief to 80, core, had more HP than you have, full exotic, engaged with a core warrior who everyone was leaving alone. Got one-shotted. like...BAM dead. Bullshit. So I came running back and let him do that on camera few times in order to send it in. Then I noticed...someone on my wvw team laughed in say the first time it happened. I said something like yeah thanks for the help man...(he was playing soulbeast and just standing watching this guy). Now, the warrior could have been a developer. And I get beat sometimes, no big deal. Had a pretty good willbender who beat me pretty quickly in actual 1v1 duals before I went back to the same spot and beat her. No biggie. But this guy, on our server, was a troll. He starts talking about how bad I am, and I said yeah...nobody is THAT bad. Core warriors do not do 18k damage with one shot. Your buddy who you're talking to on discord...yeah tell him he's about to lose his account. See, awhile back while playing against Maguuma server, there was a hacker abusing people, and somebody on our team knew how to spot it and report it. She got a bunch of people to send in reports and...I've never seen that guy online again. So, this guy's buddy suddenly becomes defensive...oh well, I just beat him in a duel (soulbeast beats core warrior, bfd news at 11...) and I said, yeah because he let you, but he can't hide those one-shots. And Arenanet will see the time stamps of your mouthing off and his attacks, and well we'll see what happens. Haven't seen that guy since. IMAGINE THAT. My thief is now a deadeye, rifle/dd, loads of fun, have had moderate success with him. Oh and to be fair, while hackers do tend to gravitate to Maguuma, it's a very competitive server with a lot of excellent players. They have great comms and response times on defense--very frustrating to play against even without their hacked spawn camps.
my first class was the theif and other classes feel very easy
Elementalists are for children, I'm main thief, best gamplay of any class on this game. (Use dagger and pistol, double dagger is not that good cuz u are more exposed, with dagger and pistol u can perma stealth)
Lol then call me a kid
I've just recently come back to the game after I stopped playing just after release all those years ago. The difference is almost startling and I'm often overwhelmed; your class guides have been incredibly helpful in learning the game from scratch.
I've since then taken an Elementalist all the way to level 80 and I’ve begun unlocking the Tempest line, had fun with the Necromancer, Mesmer, Ranger, Engineer and Thief.
I had most fun using a shortbow with a thief but didn't keep the character, now I switch between my Elementalist, Engineer and recently I rolled a new ranger and I’m having a lot of fun with duel axes even if they're not the best choice.
I hope one day to go back to a thief class for the deadeye elite spec or a mesmer for the virtuoso spec because both play styles appeal to me even if, again, they aren’t the best ones.
that is a good order to play classes if brand new to game . For someone who doesn't know the game ( like at ALL ) I'd even say ranger with bow/bear build .I know that might seem boring to oldtimers but you have to look at it from perspective of someone just trying out the game . Then thief,mesmer and - to a lesser extent - elementalist and engineer are not best choices . Ele and engineer have all those quite complex toolbelt skills ( and kits ) and attunements to master .That's a LOT to remember
First I want to thank you for your kind words! Yes there is plenty to do and lots of ways to play the game not all are going to be optimal.
Ive swapped my main character a number of times and only in the last year and half stick with ele, before that was engineer. Play what you want! Enjoy the game how you want!
Thief is my first character. I went in blind when choosing a class, i didn't even know thief is considered difficult until i started doing some end game stuff.
What turned me off from playing it was actually its elite specs. I didn't know that deadeye is a meme and specter is just avarage in everything with terrible shadow shroud animations.
That left daredevil which felt too chaotic for me.
In the end i decided to play something more chill, so i chosen weaver 😅
You chose a weaver as more chill?!?!? Lol I do see your point though. Deadeye is a 1 trick pony. Daredevil has a lot of micro and I barely see any specters to be honest
Why is deadeye a meme tho? I wanted to spec into it when I reach 80
@@EmperorRaomI'd like to know this too. I really like the assasin trope in fantasy, so I like the core Thief and the Daredevil, but I ALSO dig dedicated snipers, so the Deadeye caught my eye too.
@@GeeGe. Well after trying dead eye and daredevil I could tell you why now xD, basically dead eye lacks the mobility to actually function unless the boss doesn't hit you or move, deadeye will just struggle to do his damage, because you can't kite mobs, but in pvp he's awesome, as for daredevil he has jumps and evasions but that's about it, he won't feel like the jump smack smack knock out type of gameplay, I found that the necromancer does a better job being a shadowy quick damage and back to safety character, hope this helps
@@EmperorRaom Appreciate the advice. Guess I'll stick to daredevil
This guy has clearly never used BQoBK D/D Deadeye. 35k DPS with a 3 button rotation, 75% of which is autos. And for PvP Rifle Deadeye has almost as simple a rotation, just mark target, spam 2 until your malice is full, stealth attack, repeat. Don't know what he's talking about when he says Thief is hard to play.
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Played thief as my main for 300 hours back in the beginning of gw2. Now I’ve come full circle and have a deadly thief assassin for WvW and all those hours I put in are coming to use ! INSANE mobility and damage!
It's crazy cause it's like you never left!
@@CaffeinatedDad literally 😂
@@dragoonism can we play together that will be nice if you could give me some tips
thief with 2 pistols is super fun, easy to play and has good survivabilities. thief in melee is a challenge, yeah.
but: i think mesmer is way more difficult for new players because of those super aggressiv clones/ illusions, they attack everything in range unless you pop them fast when the fight you started is over
Well, virtuoso exists, aka mechanist but for mesmer
As a Mesmer main that has tried thief you might be right altho both have their unique challenges. I’d say with core Mesmer yeah it’s a bit complex at first cause it’s very different from what you are used to in other mmos. But elite specs vary a lot from virtuoso being mostly easy, mirage being intermediate (sometimes very difficult depending on build), and chronomancer being very hard!
@@Hekk. haha yeah as a meaner main seeing that your blades (formerly clones) dont disappear after killing an enemy is so satisfying lol. Also thief has daredevil which gives so much survivability with those 3 dodges
@@Psykeded Thief has it's own set of issues - like your dodges being tied to your damage directly, thus you have to pick: either the damage, or the dodges. Most common daredevil builds either sit at 0 dodges or 2 dodges (depends on 2nd and 3rd row of traits), because you gotta keep up the damage buffs from dodging.
That's something quite a few people struggle with. Having the illusions run around and attack everything make it challenging
I’m a month in, Ele by far is the most difficult class to play for me. Thief actually was pretty easy to pick up but takes a lot to be effective. I probably won’t touch Mesmer either for the same reasons as ele 😭.
I can understand why. The elementalist requires a lot of attention and trial and error to get right. Gosh I still fail at things as the ele!
I feel elementalist is more about combo fields and thief relies on more positioning.@@CaffeinatedDad
My biggest issue with Thief is honestly that none of the elite specs sound appealing to me, but from what I understand, not using an elite spec is a terrible idea at this point in time.
Yeah unfortunately the elite specs usually are like thief +... they can do what the thief can and more
Ah yes, the Thief. The first class I've ever played in this game (well, maybe. I can't remember accurately if it was the Thief or the Necromancer, since I remember those being my first two classes. Knowing myself and my love for Rogues in any game, it was probably the Thief).
First time I bounced off this game, the Thief plays like a Bloodborne meets Devil May Cry character, which should be basically my jam since I love those two games, but since my brain wasn't used to this game's combat system and its timings, I thought it was just clunky and quit.
Nowadays I know the basics, though I'm far from being anything remotely close to a veteran, and learning how to play with other classes has made me really appreciate the Thief, it's one of the classes I look forward the most to mastering, and although it overwhelmed me at first, I'm a fan of challenges so long as I can understand them, so now that I do, I look forward to this one.
It's interesting because the more I try other classes and professions the more I appreciate how well put together they are. The thief is a great example of thid because it forces you to learn a playstyle you may not be accustomed too!
I started GW2 2 months ago with a warrior. 1 month later i created a Thief and its fun!
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No he isnt diff to play , problem is , hes brutally borring . Spend like 200H gold start dont know that name of that system just with thief , then i move on
It can be tedious sometimes but I feel that to ve true with all professions at some point
Thief was my first class when I started playing and GW2 had just released. Has been my main until Revenant released, I actually liked playing it Sword/Pistol.
It's alot of fun once you figure it out honestly. Great fun!
i see the high risk.. i struggle to see the "reward" im sure i'll give it a shot after the mesmer.. yes another "great" choice for a first character i know.. xD but yeah i like these kind of characters..
Me too! I don't like simplistic or easy! I want difficult and challenging!
I've had a thief for a while, but been mostly playing it as an specter, even in spvp, was pretty good by the way. I also caught myself only playing this thief in all contents for a while, just because it was fun, I got a double pistol build for open world, just annihilate everything. Recently I decided to try the real thief in pvp, the dagger/pistol daredevil and at first everyone is being very toxic to you no matter what you are doing, still happens, but now I mastered it and boy is it fun. I rarely die due to the mobility and invis, I kill easily players on low life and I even started to win the 1v1, mostly by being deceptive, making the opponent waste all their dodges and CDs and then just dishing out some big damage. Some times I even have a blast playing the short bow shooting at team fights or at enemies that is not so good to get close, they get really lost when they see you as a thief shooting arrows hahaha
It's incredibly addicting. I've been experimenting with alot of different professions and I just really wanted to make a video about how much I enjoyed the thief! You can start to get really really good at it!
Core theif is out of the question for me. That takes 'skill' and like stuff. Not a fan of high risk high reward builds. I suck. And even when I'm not sucking that bad, I'm still suseptable to the occasional screw up. I need "woops" buffering. Condi specter is a nice option to have now days, but I usually stick with my dbl bow condi DD. Dmg sucks (no shit) but it's not so terrible I'm literally timing out on champs. And hey! I CAN solo champs with it. Most importantly I like the feel. Thought I found my self-reliant open world sweet spot with this, I admit I don't use this toon for much more than Mad King Lab and the occasional errand.
I also gave Hizen's Condi pistol dagger DE build a try, and it was pretty cool, BUT, I did find myself screwing up that stab a lot, which Hizen himself even remarked on a follow up video. I have this and a decent specter build templated, but until I spend more time with them I usually stick with my technically much crappier build.
I think the most important thing you said there was right in the middle. You liked it! While it's a great class alot of the things that make it great don't appeal to all players and that's alright!
@@CaffeinatedDad Also - new players should know there are builds for different modes, roles and most important skill levels. Don't be dissuaded! The thief build that you will like is out there!
As a new player starting on the Thief, yep. I need to break the static thinking and open world I seem to get wrecked if I have 3+ targets to contend with. Need to get the experience to be more fluid in controls and movement though. Also flying solo doesn't help, but I'll adapt.
I'm running a power daredevil with staff and short bow. It can slap pretty well but it can be hectic as well especially being a new player and when I'm new to a fight and have to focus on the mechanics and playing optimally.
True! The elite specs do cover quite a bit of what the core lacks!
I love roaming on Thief and all it's specs... I get so frustrated in pve tho T^T"
The movement with the daggers kills me in pve... literally lol
The moment I realised I started with a thief and recognise all these problems lol
Looool
That south park wow clip at the beginning floored me for some reason lol, loving your vids brother! As a new player, I started 2 weeks ago, ive been bouncing around warrior thief and mesmer and im leaning hard towards thief its just a fun class, hoping the near end game/end game doesn't start beating me down like on my mesmer tho :D just gotta get better at avoidance which is pretty easy imo on thief
Ha! Glad you enjoyed it! The main thing I've seen is that if you play conservatively against tougher enemies you'll do fine! It's when you try to be too aggressive that's when it gets you
@@CaffeinatedDad oh forsure, im loving S/D the mobility with it is just fun, can see it being nasty in pvp, but im not sure if i should swap to d/d, i hit 80 last night bout to go for mounts in PoF :D time to see if the gear and whatnot i bought holds up
in pve try trailblazer daredevil d/d only; with it's toughness and perma evade and perma cleanse it is one of the strongest solo all and pumps out over 65 stacks of bleed and doesn't go below 55 on 3 to 5 targets and it doesn't even have any dmg boons so this build will perform even better in a group with extra boons and a lot of combo finishers.
oh wait on chack hp in td I just touched 80 bleed with the stolen skill "tooth stab" that does another 6 bleed x'D
oh actually that could have been 83 but I don't use geomancy sigil but frailty
I've seen the trailblazers DD build do exceedingly well. It's interesting as it's essentially banking that it doesn't get hit at all and when it does the toughness saves any crazy damage
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Thief with dual pistols and spam 3, easiest build in the game you can just assign 3 as auto attack and you are at a solid 20k dps solo with the right gear, in group content it increases for ever conditon on your foe and every boon on you. Can highly recommend it in PvE
I'm a thief player in every game that offers the option (it also my class of choice to test a game). Because of the thief gameplay and the way it is played (jumping and dodging everywhere all the time) and the need to switch weapons, I played GW2 for a grand total of 10 levels on my first try 6 years ago... It took me 4 more years to try the game again (on another class) to click with it.
You think you looked at the thief as a new player, but a lot of the things you say are hard but ok (cleansing, weapon switching, HP management...) are in fact harder than you think. As for a new player they may be totally new concepts they have to learn in addition to just apply them
Thief played right can be pretty good, but you're right about them being extremely squishy. For leveling Sword/Pistol is simple with a pulsing 5 second blind, a good gap closer and a nice amount of damage. For elite specs Spectre is amazing in both solo and groups. Scepter/Pistol 3 is a backward blink with a high damage secondary skill.
I've heard specter can be pretty good in open world! Haven't unlocked it yet on my thief but I'm excited to give it a go!
I have 5000+ hours my main all the way, play all the classes and is the one that i enjoy the most. In every elite spec.
Thief is a ton of fun when played successfully lol
@@CaffeinatedDad It is, it's a shame the the majority doesn't like to play it. They are missing it.
I think core thief is harder than the elite specs. Played daredevil and specter now and they defoneatly deal better with their weaknesses in my opinion. Specter is especially doable with all the potential support
I've played thief for over 10 years. I even started commanding on a daredevil in wvw.
I have several builds in every flavor but core tied and switch a lot depending on my mood or situation.
I recommend a build that heals from output damage and to start with daredevil for extra evades. This will give new players high sustainability and damage.
Once you learn that pay around with different weapon sets then move onto deadeye.
If you are a never the specter will feel very familiar and maybe a better start.
Sheet now is good but learning access right away is better. Axe/dagger will give you a shadow step. Axe/pistol #3 will not shadow step. Switch between those two offhands depending on your situation.
Staff is fantastic as your other until you understand the class. If you're in WvW use rifle to component the axe/pistol. Don't start axe/dagger in WvW if you're new, but use it later to lock down an enemy with a shadow step
I like to play my beloved "two-pistols-pew-pew" deadeye thief plus shortbow as the second weapon and with two variations in the deadeye traitline, one for normal combat and mobs, one for bosses or other heavy and longer fights. This thief offers a lot of fun, high increasing damage output, a fast pace, good survivability and to handle his skills is no rocket science. I`m often using berserker stats, but imo this build also works good with dragon`s or celestial stats plus traveller runes, by the way, the last combo is my preferred one for all of my classes especially when I'm playing solo in the open world. Most of the enemies on the maps are already dead before they can reach me because my thief kills them as fast as hell and often faster before some other players around have decided which weapons or skills they should use this time. In difficult and often longer fights against nasty foes, this build forces me to be more agile and is therefore very entertaining and never boring.
The problem of thief is that reaper has better burst +2 lifepools.
No mention on specter? 🥺
I wanted to direct this towards newer players to the game!
@@CaffeinatedDad ahh, ok got the point, sorry for the very late reply and thx for responding 😅
I’m coming up on a year in GW2, and thief is still my one and only character. I’m working on finishing up EoD and then will have 100% completed every map and all stories on thief.
As a new player, I actually found it very intuitive to play. In fact, the initiative system is the biggest appeal for me because being able to use any weapon skill without cooldown makes for very reactive gameplay instead of simply following the most optimal skill rotation like I see in other classes.
The difficulty ramp up from the core maps to HoT was eye-opening. I got wrecked at first, but the harder encounters really taught me how to play it well. With all that said, I’m starting to get bored with it. Constantly spamming dodge and evade is getting kinda old and I’m looking into making a Dragonhunter next because it seems to have a similar fast-paced play style.
I'm by no means a "pro" at Thief, but it's by far my favorite class. Glass cannon is the appropriate term. I hit HARD, but die easily. Dodging at the right time is so fun with Daredevil.
The class i want to main and is my first one in the game is thief
Its not difficult at all
But im still lv 59 so idk if it gets difficult
I use a dodging fury/crit build till now (acrobs. and crit strike, daredevil wannabe)
Sword in main and dagger on the off, and pistol and dagger
I enjoy complex builds with insane amount of traits and passives to maximize the power of combos and the intelligence of the multiple playstyles the game dispose to us
And i enjoy dodging
Why did you point at my mech (5:12) when you said ".....if the support healing was a bit lacking...." 🤨.
Just kidding. It was a fun fight with you guys. 😁
I think its all about mentality. If you are noob but can handle being strategic, Thief is doable. If you prefer to be more straightforward with your gameplay, perhaps not.
Over 3k hours playing thief , it’s my main but I gotta be honest if I could go back I’d probs woulda gone with with ele, thief really is a “ plan ahead or die” type of gameplay which can make you feel really weak if you don’t know how to play it, ele for me has the same charm of the thief but where I can chill and just play.
Core thief since day one here. I swap to daredevil depending on the situation.
Best advice that I would give to anyone willing to try the class is that to be viable as a thief and able to carry situations you need to have - patience waiting for the right moments to be aggressive
- Knowledge of other classes so you identify the moments when you should engage or not
-and good decision making skills as its not a class that you just spam and get kills. You gotta know when and what to use.
All in all its very rewarding in the end. Always a thief!
I agree 110% with that! The thief requires more planning and careful attention to pull off, but when done it's so satisfying!
Thief still didnt click for me (I started around ICB era) but I appreciate how RP a class actually helps playing said class 😂
I started with Thief and got it to 80 with leveling and it was really not the most fun I would die even with 3 dodges, to be clear I was brand new never played the game before. In pubs I people called for me being kicked all the time. I got to mastery 23 and chose to reroll after 110 hours and 40 minutes playtime. I rolled Engineer and have not looked back since. Thief is cool but I would never recommend it for a brand new player there is way to many things your learning that small slip up is punished hard
Thief was my first class and i've played it quite alot and its definitely diffiuclt but id say ele and mesmer are more so. I dont play much theif nowadays as im mostly a pvp player and thief isnt the best atm. Also if your gonna play core power thief s/d with acro/cs/trickery is the way to go imo. Gives you a nice mix of sustain and damage.
I wouldn't say thief is too complicated per say, but it is a very soft target in hands that don't know how to play it. Twin pistol 3-spam often ends a lot of normal encounters and is simple enough, but it's most certainly a class you can't lazy play.
I bought the game last year and all of the expansions, but it kind of just sat on my hard drive until about 2 months ago.
Instantly went thief. Its my main. Havent played any other class. When you lose, and you get stomped, you get stomped HARD.
BUT when you get into it, and you learn your skill chains, its addicting. Especially when you go into elite specs. Condi Specter is fucking amazing, especially in PvP with a good group comp.
See you got the message I've gotten from the thief! It's high risk high reward! That's my favorite
It really depends on the background of the new player. If the new player is a Dark Soul (or any ARPG with active dodge mechanic) player, the Thief is a walk in the park. However, if the new player is a WoW/FFXIV player...well good luck, you'll need it.
I play both, it seems I'll need a lot of luck walking in the park :)
Tried playing the thief as a new player, it's really not for me, not emotionally invested into it or the combat. Even when i looked up guides and builds the wbsites have very few, and if not limited guides that really don't explain everything. Both the class and the game is just frustrating.
What's frustrating about the game? Can't get into it?
Yeah really brutal to new players. Did the Lord tell you about P/P Thief with Skill 3 Spam?
Well core thief pistol/pistol is one of the best leveling builds until you get your elites. Then you go sniper and afk while mobs dying at 1400+ range. Ofc, there's different variations of this profession, but ppl mostly prefer ranged which is Sniper mixed with pistol/pistol for open world.
The fun part is soloing bosses, legendaries and champions, on a squishy power thief build. One hit and you die.
The class got a bit too complicated and I ended up using Dual-Pistol Deadeye after going through builds
It's press 3 to win and I fkin lost it since it was the exact opposite of the gameplay I thought I'd end up with
Lol it's funny how there is always a simpler version of whatever your playing out there and while your struggling they are living the easy mode life
Not a thief main, but 5 years ago I started with elementalist that later became weaver. Hella inputs just to kill a mob 💀
Just played the game for the first time 2 weeks ago and got lvl80 with the Thief. Saw a vid with all classes and he had a cool sniper. I do pritty good in pvp and this is my first mmo. I would say the class is easy. I thought the class was one of the easy ones, so now i will assume the other ones are easier.
2k hours as teef. Makes every other class feel slow and clunky. D/d core their will always be my favorite thief
I'm full time thief :D
It's a ton of fun!
thief was my first character on gw2, it was never hard to play. but really boring. after some point, i left due to dull play style and never go back. my main is ele now.
I can see why it's not as engaging as ele, but I like the living on the edge mentality to be honest!
Thief is incredibly fun. I've main mesmer since day 1 in gw2, but I'm having a great time in WvW learning how thif and his specs works.
Ninjas of tyria UNITE!
It's fast and fun play but stressful lol
I have 1500+ hours on thief. It will rock your world if you mess up timing or match ups.
100%! I found that alot in open world taking on tougher mobs!
I actually enjoy the time I spend playing a Core Thief so I figured, "hey, I always wanted to play as a dead eye, lets try that!" my god do I suck at playing Deadeye.
Hahaha I'm not amazing at it, but occasionally I can pull off some really big crits!
I have 1300 hours on thief. It's my main and I only feel like I recently have been getting good at it.
give the thief a greatsword!
That's what I was hoping for from end of dragons!
Thief playtime: >12k hours.
all other specs combined~1k hour
Thief was my first 80. Until i got to HoT, pistol/pistol spam 4 worked for everything
Like, seriously, i didn't even realise that i had the "steal" ability
Hahaha then HoT rolls around
I decided to main a daredevil after getting most classes to 80 over the last few months. Everything else felt like it had something missing
Honestly the fast movements and action gameplay kept me interested
I have 613 hrs and counting! It was my first class and for now at least, remains my only one
too much jumping... :(
It can be alot for sure!
I have about 900 Games played in PvP with thief, it is really a class with a big learning curve. Thats why i like it and love playing it :D
It offers a challenging but super satisfying!
Thief = jumping puzzle, that's all it's good for, for me lol
once you get daredevil, power dual pistol is like literally the easiest build in game, and deadeye rifle so strong
how many hours he says.. you made me check my 7 thieves on my main account; total 7k hours; how many hours do you have on your thief and ele?
Good god... lol definitely not that much!
As a thief main there are some things that are a bit janky in a group pve setting.
Daredevil (both condi and power) require a lot of movement to do damage which can get you killed when a lot of encounters need close stacking.
Deadeye has a malice bug where in some maps you simply cannot see your malice because it decides to change color based on the map for some reason.
Even base thief mechanics can be difficult to grasp if you don’t understand the ability queue system. If you quickly tap a skill then you’ll most likely double up on the cast since thief abilities do not have cds. Not to mention hitting stealth attacks can be difficult for new people.
Open world can be rough due to being squishy and finding a balance between high damage and decent survivability although full cele condi is pretty unkillable but takes a bit to stack their damage up.
Mobility as a Thief while leveling was such a pain lmao cant tell how many times i've flung myself in the abyss by mistake doing a dagger 3 lol Even worst in HoT without the glider at start haha
I did find that issue especially with boneskinner. I was jumping through the boss and then having to rollback to the group. Lots of movement when you need to stack
TY, looking to Level up Dare Devil, and your video's help. I do appreciate your trying to look at things from a new players perspective, but Once you've seen the Elephant you really can't unsee the Elephant. As a returning player, I would suggest to new players to Keep to the Core content till your quite comfortable with any class. While my War feels almost bullet proof in Orr; which felt much more difficult 2 years ago when I left for a while; port over to Path of Fire, and alot of the time it feels like my armor is made of Paper, not platemail. Slowly getting better that way, but those new Zones expect Old Players and alot more muscle memory than I've retained. So just my thoughts.
Hey thank you for the kind words! I agree there is something to be said for how squishy your character becomes in new zones. I felt that eith my guardian quickly!
@@CaffeinatedDad Nice to know I'm not alone.
316 hours and 21 minutes playtime on Thief.
Good gracious that's quite a bit of time!
tip never be alone and wait for the oppisite team to use their skills and dont chase players that dont die get someone else
Good advice!
Im a new player been playing for about a week ( lvl72 atm ) and I picked thief as my first class. I enjoy moving alot dodging and weaving hits with daggers. I dont know how other classes play but im having a blast. Gonna get path of fire soon so gonna be fun trying out my first elite spec. I dont think thief is too hard its like you say in the video you just need to pay attention.
Once you figure it out you are good to go. You can't slack with the thief! Also welcome to Guild wars 2!
@@CaffeinatedDad yeah. thank you man ! been enjoying it alot already met some cool ppl ingame joined a guild done world bosses. lots of fun
first person and only one i play
Lol only max difficulty *
@@CaffeinatedDad expansions made it easier for new people the staff is op
Well.... I mean ish ur still super squish
......I. gonna go re-download the damn game y have u done this to me
my first character was a thief and the steal mechinic is hard to understand but once you get it it's not that hard, unless you wand to go fo a max dps dead eye build but that is not as important for new players I have around 456 hour on the thief
I remember I used to get so mixed up using steal because I would only use it like when I was ontop of a target not distances... lol
@@CaffeinatedDad yeah that happens
630 hours on my thief and almost 500 on ele :)
I use to play thief a lot then i took a break. Came back and then rev was new and played that. Stayed a rev main ever since. Rev is like thief imo but like 5x tankier and easier. Battle scares is just overpowered and keeps you alive through alot.
P/P thief isnt exactly hard to play
i have no idea what is happening in this game, 10/10 so far
Believe it or not, The only class I played is Thief.
Switching from Daredevil Condi > Deadeye Dual Pistol.
Can't see myself playing any other class. 😅
Started playing GW2 this Feb 2023.
600hrs of thief gametime.
I personally love D/D condi Daredevil. I enjoy killing things before they can kill me. Thief naturally has a high amount of dodge without Daredevil if it just uses D/D. Combine the 2, and you're invulnerable for a good % of any fight. I learned timing as I grew more comfortable with the class, but I never once felt weak. I never once felt squishy, at least, compared to other classes. Every class will die if a big boy headbutts you one too many times. Thief just has more learning to do for content, learning when enemies attack, and when to dodge in order to be most efficient with its unique playstyle.
Stealth? I never use it. There is something to be said about running in with your "chicken" spinning, teleporting next to an enemy, and pressing 5 buttons together for the highest condi-burst damage in the game. Besides, players just run out of my stealth, unstealthing themselves and giving the entire group pause as to whether they should keep running, or help the poor fool getting bumrushed by 20+ enemy elites as he slowly backs up with the sudden realization of what's going to happen to him. And yes, I am talking about Caudacus' Manor. Hilarious the first time, frustrating the 10th time.
Ironically enough, the Thief Build I enjoy the most is Dagger/Dagger Deadeye, there is just something satisfying about setting up your Ambush Attack and then chunking an Elite Mob to high Heavens and back, only for you to stealth and then repeat
Just a conquest pvp tip, when 1v1ing another thief to compete for a node, use your shortbow. Even tho it is a thief weapon it also counters thief very well.
Ele and thief both are high risk high reward.
Ele requires u to constantly be doing/using an ability or attune change.
Thief is more about using abilities in the right situations.
Ele flows
Thief calculates.
I played thief and it is very hard to survive, on most specs, probably easier on specter I guess.
The Elite specs bring more survivability than the core spec imo
@@CaffeinatedDad Speaking of possibly hard due to the new mechanic, what are your thoughts on harbinger?
Started playing with my gf 7 months ago, thief is my first character
With no knowledge and legit grinding levels, i was trash at it for probably all 80 levels 😂😂
But it was still fun af
Then when i learned how to play a condition daredevil thief its the most fun ever
I think next ill try the harbinger necro
When I started playing the game, Thief was the first character I got to 80. Though I attribute that to quickly land into probably the best to level up Thief which is going S/D and focusing into a power build (Critical Strikes being the first tree that I maxed out) so leveling in general felt super easy, just using "5" on top of enemies and watching them die while they're uncapable of landing any hit cuz of the AoE constantly pulsing Blind in an area, same with the "3" skill, Damage+CC+evasion, both "3" and "5" felt super strong for leveling and general open-world content. Sure champion and above enemies feel a bit difficult since you can't blind them and if you get hit, well you're wearing medium armor and your total HP is super low so each attack that manages to hit you will hurt and take a big chunk of your HP away, but everything else felt super good.
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Specter: *Am I a joke to you?*
I really have to stress this because I see this so much in this community.
GW2 did not invent dodging in a video game.
Not every new player to GW2 never played a video game before...
Thief is my first class and main, im sticking with power staff DareDevil, I'm loving it! when I first started I thought Thief was easy mode but then I started HoT maps and wanted to die!