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- Anne of the Indies at first blush seems to be related to Anne Bonny, but ultimately is not. It’s just a fictitious pirate romp, but at least I can go a little deeper into Bonny’s story. The golden age of piracy is ripe for this kind of myth and romanticism.
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References:
Newspaper articles on John (Jack) Rackam, Anne Bonny, and Mary Read: jillianmolenaar.home.blog/201...
Before Tyler Rodriguez gets her publication on Bonny together, here is a link to a video that she wrote about it, though was improperly credited: • The Legend Of Anne Bonny
Jay Eric Dolin, Black Flags, Blue Waters: The Epic History of America’s Most Notorious Pirates (New York: Liveright Publishing, 2018). amzn.to/36VgUtj
Charles Johnson, A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates, and also their Policies, Discipline, and Government: From their first Rise and Settlement in the Island of Providence, in 1717, to the Present Year 1724, ed. Manuel Schonhorn (1724; Mineola, N.York: Dover Publications, 1999). www.gutenberg.org/files/40580...
Angus Konstam, The Pirate World: A History of the Most Notorious Sea Robbers (Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing, 2019). amzn.to/2JMwdfb
Peter Linebaugh and Marcus Rediker, The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2000). amzn.to/2JKq8tN
Marcus Rediker, Outlaws of the Atlantic: Sailor, Pirates, and Motley Crews in the Age of Sail (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2014). amzn.to/2OasYf4
Marcus Rediker, Villains of all Nations: Atlantic Pirates in the Golden Age (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2004). amzn.to/33VTwKo
Neil Rennie, Treasure Neverland: Real and Imaginary Pirates (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2013). amzn.to/33UJZTT
Ian W. Toll, Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the US Navy (New York: WW Norton, 2006). amzn.to/2LjTNQW
Colin Woodward, The Republic of Pirates: Being the True and Surprising Story of the Caribbean Pirates and the Man Who Brought Them Down, new ed. (2007; Boston, Mass.: Mariner Books, 2015). amzn.to/33TERiK
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*References*
Newspaper articles on John (Jack) Rackam, Anne Bonny, and Mary Read: jillianmolenaar.home.blog/2019/02/07/the-documentary-record/
Before Tyler Rodriguez gets her publication on Bonny together, here is a link to a video that she wrote about it, though was improperly credited: ua-cam.com/video/KOiUgXyk0Fs/v-deo.html
Jay Eric Dolin, _Black Flags, Blue Waters: The Epic History of America’s Most Notorious Pirates_ (New York: Liveright Publishing, 2018). amzn.to/36VgUtj
Charles Johnson, _A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates, and also their Policies, Discipline, and Government: From their first Rise and Settlement in the Island of Providence, in 1717, to the Present Year 1724,_ ed. Manuel Schonhorn (1724; Mineola, N.York: Dover Publications, 1999). www.gutenberg.org/files/40580/40580-h/40580-h.htm
Angus Konstam, _The Pirate World: A History of the Most Notorious Sea Robbers_ (Oxford, UK: Osprey Publishing, 2019). amzn.to/2JMwdfb
Peter Linebaugh and Marcus Rediker, _The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic_ (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2000). amzn.to/2JKq8tN
Marcus Rediker, _Outlaws of the Atlantic: Sailor, Pirates, and Motley Crews in the Age of Sail_ (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2014). amzn.to/2OasYf4
Marcus Rediker, _Villains of all Nations: Atlantic Pirates in the Golden Age_ (Boston, Mass.: Beacon Press, 2004). amzn.to/33VTwKo
Neil Rennie, _Treasure Neverland: Real and Imaginary Pirates_ (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2013). amzn.to/33UJZTT
Ian W. Toll, _Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the US Navy_ (New York: WW Norton, 2006). amzn.to/2LjTNQW
Colin Woodward, _The Republic of Pirates: Being the True and Surprising Story of the Caribbean Pirates and the Man Who Brought Them Down,_ new ed. (2007; Boston, Mass.: Mariner Books, 2015). amzn.to/33TERiK
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looks like you will have another great game to play on the regular twitch stream: Assassin's Creed Black Flag
@@jurtra9090 I would find it amusing as it's a game with a lot of great details but it can also be nitpicked to hell.
@The Cynical Historian you say at one point that piracy persisted in pockets of the Caribean till the US naval campaign of 1817-24. My previous impression was that piracy was pretty much whiped out in the 1720 but flared up again several times afterwards, especially in connection with wars, in which letters of marque were given out. This includes especially the seven years war, the American war of independence, the napoleonic wars and the war of 1812. The last flare up is due to the independence wars of the various spanish colonies, whose new governments gave out many letters of marque (Jean Lafitte is part of that, both as a pirate who falsely claimed to posess a letter of maque and, at the end, as a privateer with a real one. What is your take: continous existence of occassional flare ups? You obviously researched this a lot more than i did.
If you got literally any questions about Anne Bonny I'll gladly answer. I'll be here forever trust me, its a subject I greatly love.
Me, seeing notification: Huh, I wonder if…
Me, seeing comment: Yup, that’s what I was looking for
Did you play Black Flag?
@@jurtra9090 Oh boy did I? Multiple times. I could do an entire breakdown of the historical accuracy mission by mission. I made the end song in my video be Parting Glass. Is the game accurate? Decently, it definitely put in effort. Its not perfect but I love it all the same.
What made you interested in the subject? And what's your favorite little known detail about it as well?
@@supermasterball1 I got interested basically on a dare. A friend said we should do a pirate video. That's it. Then research took a hard swerve into dozens of books. My favorite detail is how many historians get piracy wrong. David Cordingly the historian Disney used for the Pirate films quotes General History without any thought. Same with Republic of Pirates Colin Woodard. Any popular History book on piracy is going to get things wrong and Anne Bonny in particular. There's like two historians who put in effort, David Fictum and Neil Rennie. That's it.
We must assume King Richard, being a king after all, possesses innate letter of marque powers and is therefore justified in disrupting your trade. Bon*chat* Richard.
I’d love to see a “history of piracy” video from you.
really enjoy you’re work, thanks for all the interesting stuff you do.
As someone who's played AC black flag it's wonderful hearing these names, brings back memories
I'll still sing some of the sea shanties from time to time. They aren't accurate to the era but I still love it.
I’m in favor of the history of piracy series
I'm as well. So long as pirate talk jokes are kept at a minimum and any mention of egitarian piracy is punished with several lashes.
I'm mad as hell that I didn't get a notification about this, but I got lucky that I was looking up Gráinne Mhaol AKA Grace O'Malley when this came out.
If you do a thing on the history of piracy some stuff about her would be incredible.
She's about the only person I'd call a pirate queen. Mostly because its quite literal, a monarch who served as a pirate. Even managed to make a deal with Queen Elizabeth I. Now she is quite the character and worth knowing more about.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez What about the Lioness of Brittany Jeanne de Clisson or Zheng Yi Sao the Chinese pirate queen who commanded up to possibly 80000 men? Both of them enjoyed great success in their piracy and entered into pacts with royal officials, hell Jeanne was working directly for King Edward III to get her revenge.
@@michaelnicchetta5829 Ching Shi was very much a grand pirate and metaphorically was a queen of sorts. The other two are fairly minor figures that I've seen some historians argue really weren't pirates.
Referring to her exclusively by her anglicized name or as a 'Northern Irish' pirate shows a complete lack of any understanding of her history.
Lord, are pirates romantacized in kid shows! For example, Santiago of the Seas is a "good pirate" who never steals. I point out to my kids that a pirate who never steals is called a sailor, but that's not as fun, apparently.
There is a truly hilarious image I've seen of that show Jake and the Neverland Pirates that literally says a good pirate doesn't steal. Yeeeeeep.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Yeah, I've seen that meme before too, lol. My kids haven't seen either meme or its original, being more Nick and PBSKids fans.
@@eliscanfield3913 Yeah the popular image of piracy is hilariously romanticized to the point of being unrecognizable. But that's nothing new. Playwrights posted Charles Johnsons Successful Pyrate for daring to suggest Every wasn't a bad person. Nothings new under the sun I suppose.
I wish they’d make a proper film, or maybe HBO/Netflix/Etc show about Grace O’Malley.
Irish Pirate Queen, Clan chief, Noblewoman, Rebel leader, etc.
You could make a genuinely good mini series on her. Same with Ching Shi. Both are genuinely interesting women who aren't mainstream in the way Anne Bonny or Blackbeard are. Which is a shame.
Cypher, I'm generally just a watcher & give a like guy, but you deserve a written post for this GREAT video. Such an interesting subject. Thank you brother
Aye, I was born in Devon but moved to the Midlands when I was but a lad. Had to learn a new accent to not be called a pirate all the time. Now I live in Cornwall, and I’ve got to learn it back again!
DAMN YOU TREASURE ISLAND!
Yeah that sucks. Because of one crazy drunk actor in a 1950s film, a dumb pop up holiday was created and several generations thought rogue sailors from three centuries ago talk like a very specific subsection of England. It's not fair.
I have a pirate sleeve on my arm, not fanciful tales but actual history of pirates like Ned Low and Edward Teach, I love the idea of making their own life outside of “civilization” there’s great history there
Edward Low gets a pretty sizable chapter in General History, its odd he isn't better known. Probably because he is quite comparable to Charles Vane, but Vane is connected to the real famous pirates like Jennings, Hornigold and Blackbeard.
I just remembered that the mythology of pirates has influenced our mythology of space exploration. All ideas of colonizing planets and making havens now seem even more unrealistic than they already were, considering how unrealistic it was for pirates to actually have "secret hideouts" aside from squatting on some island.
Did you like the depiction of her on Black Sails?
I love the show and its depiction of Nassau is really good. The character was certainly fun. Accurate? Not really. Even from what little we know, I doubt Anne was an aggressive killer bisexual.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez I wonder if they'll ever do a Treasure Island sequel with some of the same cast returning?
@@HistoryandHeadlines Probably not. It was quite an expensive show and the last season was cut down as a result. Was a damn good cast. Also I think the writers understood the fiction they were weaving. In the last scene John Rackam is talking about the value of a story to Mary Read as a mother reads General History of the Pyrates to a child. They knew.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez How do you interpret the ending? Did Long John kill the captain?
@@HistoryandHeadlines I don't think so. I just saw it as table setting for the book since the writers knew another season wasn't happening.
Omg, the death grips song was based on a real person?!
Yep. Same woman. Ironically they also did a song on Bathory which I did a video on. Good band.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez can u link your video??
@@rubies2905 I'm pretty sure I linked it but if something went wrong, just type in Debunk File Elizabeth Bathory.
I'd just like to take a moment to thank you for your attention to historical accuracy here. Many other discussions of Anne Bonny include the exaggerated myths without making note of what's fact and what's fiction. Some details you mentioned that many others forget include:
1. Bonny's pirate career lasted just two months.
2. It was known that Bonny and Read were women. Governor Woodes Rogers mentioned both of them by name when he put out his warrant for them. Also, Mary Read sailed with Rackham's crew from New Providence, she didn't join the crew later disguised as a man, as is sometimes reported.
3. Not buying into the romanticism too much.
I couldn't agree more. Its disheartening to see so many historians get this wrong. When I found that burial document I literally bought as many history books on piracy or Anne Bonny as I could to see if someone else found it first. Not only was that not the case, but every historian kept taking General History at face value. Whether its David Cordingly, Colin Woodard, all these people kept just trusting that book. Worse yet, the same historians take Carlovas Mistress of the Seas seriously or a hack fraud named Tamara Eastman. She's a Richmond based "historian" who for some reason claimed to have found evidence Anne lived in North Carolina until the 1780s. She then claimed said evidence went up in a fire. That claim shows up in Cordinglys book about female pirates. Hell just last year an Oxford PHD holder named Kate Williams repeated the same story. I have no words.
King disapproved of pirates. Shocking 🤣. Love the vid as always.
Pirates of the Caribbean was my favourite historical fiction when I was younger and I still love it today
Cypher: King, god dammit!
King: This is my house! Mine!
Also King: Where's my attention?! Screech!
Dang Tyler gonna be happy
I'm the 85th upvote. That's pretty early for me.
I'm glad to hear you taking the hagiography out of pirate history. I'm NOT a fan of pirates, but it sometimes seems I'm the only one.
We want the pirate history!!!! ☠❤
Bit of a digression, but I'm always somewhat confuzzled by how Edward Teach/Blackbeard became the most famous pirate when he:
1. Had a short career (hardly more than a year and a half)
2. Was far from the most successful
I'd guess he had one hell of a PR team, or that the guy who ended him did...more seriously, I would guess that it was since his career took place at the end of the "golden age of piracy"....
If I had to guess. Its the name. He wasn't marked as a big attraction in General History of the Pyrates and yes, he was neither the most feared or successful pirate. I'd wager Bartholomew Roberts was that, judging how his killer was knighted by the king. It helps to have a cool name like Blackbeard.
I'd say it's because he managed to blockade Charleston Harbor with his massive ship and was taken out in a bombastic fight. That's some good priming right there
@@CynicalHistorian True that was dramatic. But it seems his popularity exploded in the years after General History. By the time of Treasure Island, basically the 1870s he was a legend. Captain Charles Johnson probably wouldn't have expected that, as his chapter is fairly small and like the third chapter in General History. Its funny how some people become famous and some don't.
Maybe it was a fabrication on the part of Cpt. Johnson, but his method of getting ships to surrender is in itself very memorable: with smoke billowing from under his beard while holstering six pistols over his chest. A devilish entrance, enough to match the one man more than the crew.
@@jakarnilson Definitely not true. Such a description is incredibly vivid and I doubt anyone would forget such an image. The fact nobody ever said that prior to 1724 means likely an invention. Actually it was absolutely a lie because the first edition of General History didn't include it. It had Blackbeard wearing a fur hat and no mention of burning locks.
I would like to see a proper film about Anne Bonny and Mary Read,there's been two announced in 1980 and in the mid 1990's which never got made so its
about time another actually was made !
Seeing this video, a few thoughts went through my mind:
If I download a movie in Jamaica, am I a pirate of the Carribean?
When you pira- I mean "borrow" your favorite songs. Speaking of songs, remember this classic: ua-cam.com/video/kRKAL-i-UbE/v-deo.html
College textbooks are expensive, so get them at a "free discount." (if you know what I mean)
Man, this video didnt appeared at all to me :( Nice work!!!(
Good video, I will definitely watch your up coming pirat video.
Yay a video longer than 2 minutes!
You said yourself that many pirates chose the life because it was better than the harsh one under the navy.
Could it be that some pirates simply desired the freedom the open sea and new lands offered, away from the old, rigid establishment?
Some probably did. Individual motivation is hard to pin down since very few left written records. The majority definitely seemed interested in money and not serving on a crappy merchant ship.
General consensus of historians seems to be that by the end of the war of quadruple alliance there were many more privateers at sea than legitimate merchant ships and that with the revocation of their letters of marque, the privateer seamen found themselves un employed. A glut of able seamen and not enough places on board ships created desperation and saw ex-privateers reverting to what they knew best. Attacking merchant shipping.
@@andreraymond6860 I think you mean Spanish Secession. Quadruple Alliance was a fairly short conflict from 1718 to 1720 that's frankly quite forgotten. Its main impact on piracy was causing Woodes Rogers to worry that the Spanish would attempt Nassau, which they briefly did.
Also yes the notable uptick in piracy from 1713 onward is due to many privateers being expected to return to whatever life they lived before. Which was usually pretty low quality. Not shocking many kept on attacking ships. As many as 90 percent of pirates of the era were former British merchant or royal navy sailors. With added notable amount being woodcutters in Central America who were out of work. Basically job shortages played a big role.
This got me thinking, it would be INCREDIBLE if you could do a series of these on games, like specifically the Assassin's Creed games. But I know that's probably just a pipe dream as that would be tons of work.
God, I would love a video on the history of piracy. Especially since I don’t know much about it, and anything I do comes from Fate/Grand Order (and anyone who knows that game knows how… weird it gets).
I saw that game listed on Wikipedia for depictions of pirates. Its... unique.
I mean they made Francis Drake a woman and Edward Teach into a lolicon weeaboo that survives anything.
@@lord_boneman Oh Japan as some would say.
Ohhh it gets weirder. Off the top of my head…
•Red Hare and Lu Bu did the fusion dance
•Lu Bu is a robot
•So are the Greek gods, all of them being giant alien ships with a terminal that man considered the actual gods.
•Thomas Edison is a furry and all of the presidents of the United States rolled up in one character.
•Mephistopheles was not a demon but a homunculus.
•Charles Babbage is a giant mech.
•Jack the Ripper is a thong wearing loli made up of the spirits of aborted fetuses (and amazing at getting rid of female Riders, holy shit).
•Chen Gong just blows people up.
•John the Baptist’s head is a powerful Mystic Code that can use curses and is ridden by Salome.
•Everything involving Nobunaga. Just… everything.
•Paul Bunyan is made of udon dough and is a loli as well that can grow to the size of mountains.
•Abigail Williams was contacted by an eldritch god (I believe it was Yog Soggoth?).
•Spartacus is basically a living cartoon.
•And finally, one of my favorites, Antonio Salieri’s rumors of killing Mozart got to him so much that he became what those rumors made him out to be combined with the Man in Grey, to make the coolest Avenger.
I have watch the Internet Historian video of Pirate Stede Bonnet, and I gotta say, it’s pretty good in historical context and editing
Oh that one is good video from probably top 10 or 5 Internet historian video he made
I've never seen it. I'll go watch it right now. Stede Bonnet is probably the best pirate by way of primary sources due to his unique upbringing. Also one of the biggest failures imaginable.
Okay I watched it. I'm angry I never did before. Its shockingly accurate within reason, shows sources, and is genuinely funny mostly because the real life Stede Bonnet is an absurd character. I'm impressed.
Black Sails and Assassin's Creed made me recognize the name Anne Bonny.
Made one year apart amusingly enough. Definitely the biggest two things to feature her.
so will a review of black sails be next due to so many scenes being from that show
Probably not since it was four seasons and that takes a while. That and its relation to history is tenuous since it serves more as a Treasure Island prequel then anything else.
Considering how active Tyler is in the coments and their interest in the subject of the video, would you mind enlightening me as to the subject of Libertalia? Is it completely fiction or is there any ounce of proof it existed? Love to know your sources btw. I very much enjoy the subject of piracy.
Oh gladly. Libertalia is complete nonsense. It first appeared in a later edition of General History, third edition in 1728 I believe. The idea of a proto utopia where everyone was equal on Madigascar, founded by a pirate and a priest is hysterically nonsensical. That same edition of General History also added fictional pirates who sold there souls to the devil.
The inspiration is clearly coming from Sainte Marie island. A small island off Madigascar that was a staging area for real pirates. Its where Henry Every planned his legendary raid on the Gunsway. The problem is that this place was supremely small. At most, 50 pirates lived in the area, Adam Baldrige the "founder" of this community admitted it was never anything special. When Woodes Rogers landed around 1715, he was pretty unimpressed.
This place barely was a settlement, Nassau was leagues bigger. But as irony would have it, many pirates themselves believed it was a pirate kingdom. The term Libertalia might be from 1728, but the idea of a land of pirates was popular from the early 1700s. Mostly due to plays and books written about Henry Every, that touted him as king of the pirates of Madigascar.
Best book on the subject is Treasure Neverland by Neil Rennie, it goes into great detail on the myth.
Nice Cypher!
3:54 Who destroyed those book covers? I have a hunch it was someone we all know, but I don’t want to name names for fear of hanging by the king.
Was it Richard who destroyed them?
lol, nah. I might've had something to do with it when I was a kid - but my father bought that Durant series before I was born
In my original comment, I apologised for being simultaneously too pedantic, and didactic...but then I remembered that this is a historian's channel, so my comment should be fine. Very fine video, but I feel strangely compelled to point out that Grainne Ni Mhaille (Grace O'Malley to you) was from Connaght (pron. "connuth"), and thus not from "Northern Ireland." Thank you for allowing me to indulge in one of my favourite pastimes, and thank you again for yet another excellent video on an excellent channel.
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Personally, I prefer Anne Bonny's depiction in Assassin's Creed Black Flag, but I'm not gonna knock the movie. I am curious, Cypher, if you've ever seen MacArthur or Black Mass. I've seen both recently and I wanted a historian's opinion on them both.
Black Flags depiction is probably my favorite in any medium, although I would be lying if I said it was accurate. Still, they used the perfect song to end it, damn that Parting Glass was good.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez yeah, the most they had of anything resembling historical accuracy in AC4 was the accompanying text blurb, and it was a large romanticisation thanks in no small part to the lack of proper documentation, but it was still fun being an 18th century pirate. And that ending song was like a send off to the literal friends made along the way
@@legoworksstudios1 Interesting fact about the song. A lot of the sea shanties in game are from the late 1700s or 1800s. Sea shanties as we think of them weren't around in the Golden Age of Piracy. But the Parting Glass is a song first recorded in the mid 1600s so it absolutely is accurate to the era. It was also the most popular song to sing in taverns as a last call of sorts. So its use in the ending is pitch perfect.
James Robertson Justice (with whom my grandfather once had a fistfight) wearing a Tam O' Shanter bonnet with an eyepatch - classic.
You also would never have cannons on the top deck. Causing balancing issues.
Nice episode. What do you think about the teory that captain Johnson was Jonathan Swift?
Most historians seem to agree that Captain Charles Johnson was Nathaniel Mist. The publisher for Daniel Defoe and a hardcore Jacobite. The best evidence is the fact the book was copywritten in his name.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Thanks. I made a mistake. Was thinking about Defoe and not about Swift.
@@PauloSilva-np9ro Defoe has a weird connection with General History. He wasn't suspected of writing it in his time. Despite having written Robinson Crusoe and Captain Shackleton. In the 1930s a Defoe historian wrote a book claiming he wrote it and most people nodded and went along. In the 1980s another historian wrote a book called Canonization of Defoe which basically pointed out there's no evidence. Final amusing part, the two people who saved the real Robinson Crusoe were associated with pirates. William Dampier who was a buccaneer alongside Bartholomew Sharp, and Woodes Rogers the destroyer of Nassau.
Can you do a video about the historical accuracies and inaccuracies in the movie Glory?
I remember watching Hook, with the box...
I will try it for a good rip-roaring movie about a strong woman
Any thoughts about the theory that Daniel Defoe was actually Captain Johnson using a pen name? It gained enough credibility that through the 1980s and 1990s library card catalogues listed the History Of The Pirates under Defoe's name.
Doesn't make sense, given their stylistic differences and Defoe's lack of tar jargon in his other works
Complete hogwash. The belief stems from a 1930s biography of Defoe that claimed ownership of several books on shakey grounds. It wasn't until the 1980s did a book called Canonization of Defoe prove he wasn't the author. Historians nowadays mostly tend to agree it was the publisher Nathaniel Mist, mostly because he was a former sailor and the book was printed under his name in copyright. Also he was a hardcore Jacobite so writing positively about piracy certainly wasn't a pro King George move. But its not a written in stone belief and outside a confessional letter it will never be a settled issue.
this video reminds me how in one piece the straw hat pirates and their allies are the romanticized version of pirates but the pirates they face act like actually pirates.
The entity of Northern Ireland did not exist before 1922. Grace O'Malley did not even come from Ulster/the north of Ireland but from Connacht in the west.
What about Edward Kennway?
You could say that it is a better than average movie, from a history point of view, simply because it doesn't actually damage history.
13:07 Tell me the guy with the eye patch doesn't look like a heavy Russell Crowe??
Black sails is an awesome tv show
ahh yes the historical base behind One Piece character Jewellery Bonney
Yep! The very same. Although I don't think she had pink hair and could... do what she does in the series. Although with the lack of sources who knows...
Its funny how you mention the rumor about Anne Bonny and Mary Read being lovers, because there is an audible drama called Hell Cats on Audible that is about the two and it plays into that idea that they were lovers. They also got who died first backwards, although they stick to the possibility that Mary died during childbirth.
Yeah that thing was heavily based on John Carlovas Mistress of the Seas and is complete hogwash. Its really bad.
More pirates histories!
Ugh, you don't want those flaming torches on a sailing ship, especially for firing off cannon. You would use slow match!
I'm not sure if this is a subject that interests you, but your mention of Anne Bonny/Mary Read's relationship makes me curious to hear you talk more about gay/queer erasure in history. Folks love to bring this one up as an example of historians trying to deny they were lesbians, but from what you explained, it's just that it's based on fiction and not historically cited. I know there's plenty more examples, though, and I feel like I don't hear it discussed by historians enough! (Or I need to expand my horizons here, haha)
Often I think it's quite the opposite. There's far more times that I see people proclaimed as LBGT (terms that are very anachronistic to apply backwards) who simply weren't, rely on slanderous rumors at the time, or did not exist in the first place. In fact, confirmed historical cases tend to be celebrated in the historiography - unless it's folks like Richard III, whom nobody likes. So it's not really something I can cover, given that I'm not exactly sure if it even is a worthwhile concern - but I have spoken of the problem with historically applying heteronormativity: ua-cam.com/video/lbBl46Rb3LM/v-deo.html
The LGBTQ history with Anne and Mary is... interesting. If you to read General History, the scene where they meet is played more comedically then anything else. Oh no the woman fell in love with a man who's really a woman! It feels very London theater farce like.
In the years after the book there were numerous knock off books and mistranslations and one of them added a sentence where Anne is described as her lover. But there's no given context to what that means. This notion shows up in the 1920s when the famous German psychologist Magnus Hirschfeld, when writing about historical lesbians, briefly mentioned Mary Read.
As the decades went on, fiction writers started making that encounter more sexualized, with John Carlovas Mistress of the Seas basically saying they are lesbians in all but name. But I believe it was a feminist short story called Anne Bonny and Mary Read They Kill Pricks that first openly said they were LGBTQ.
Nowadays its pretty standard, appearing in stuff like Black Sails. Representation matters but this isn't one of those stories. I don't care how much Kate Williams, Oxford historian says they have been forgotten by history due to sexuality, its not true.
I thought B.R. Burg made a pretty interesting case in his 'Sodomy and the pirate tradition' about Victorian historians squashing LGBTQ history from piracy.
@@andreraymond6860 Ehhhh LGBTQ and piracy is a real tricky subject because pirates themselves wrote so little. It rarely comes up in primary sources which either means it was rare or it was so common it didn't need to be mentioned. The British rarely accused individuals pirates of sodomy during trials, which is interesting because they tended to throw everything at them. Yes the Victorian age definitely played down sexuality in various forms, but in the case of the Golden Age of Piracy, there wasn't much to play up to be honest.
Please do a pirate series! Please? 😁
This is my worst performing episode in a very long time, so probably not
Granted its on one specific pirate and an obscure film, so that might be throwing it off.
Which book in the description talks about the 1817-1825 United States anti piracy crackdown? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies_anti-piracy_operations_of_the_United_States? The Six Frigates book? (:
Correct. Six Frigates.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Ah cool. I was reading the description and it at least in the book description I only heard references to up to the time of the war of 1812, so I was not sure. (:
One movie/drama series I think would be good is a Pirate film from the perspective of someone clearing out the pirates, like how Netflix had that drama show about the people who hunted down Bonny and Clyde (another pair criminal pair that are heavily romanticized). Nice use of South Park by the way.
Woodes Rogers life is genuinely fascinating. War of Spanish Secession hero, was nearly killed attacking a Spanish treasure ship. Didn't make much money and went into pirate hunting, held Nassau for years but was eventually emprisoned due to the sizeable debt he incurred. Was freed from debt prison just as General History gets published. Becomes governor of the Bahamas again only to die of the flu. Also his family delt heavily in the slave trade. Complicated person who would really work well as a film or mini series.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez I wonder if there is a way of contacting Netflix, this story sounds like it would work well, early episodes on the War of Spanish Secession, then progresses to pirate hunting and Debtors Prison and later as governor and the slavery angle would also make for an interesting character dynamic (a pursuer of justice embedded in an unjust system). Would you say Rogers is a sympathetic character?
@@edspace. Kinda? He married young and was wealthy but seems a bit lonely. During his days in the war he teamed up with the buccaneer William Dampier and was the person who rescued Alexander Selkirk, the real Robinson Crusoe. Also he was badly injured. A musketball hit him in the cheek and got stuck in his upper mouth. Teeth were falling out of the wound but he kept command. Also his heel was shot off. His younger brother was killed, and in the end he made more money from a book he wrote about the adventure then the actual voyage. Oh also the crew sued him because they felt he cheated them of payment. Probably not true but he lost that court case. There's also a trip to Madigascar he took prior to all the Nassau stuff, oh and the wife divorced him.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez This sounds like a lot of material, probably best a series as too much of the story would be cut if made into a film, anyone have Netflix or HBO's number?
@@edspace. I wish. Rogers is often depicted but not his story, just as an antagonist. Series would probably work best. Plenty of good books on him due to his life being well recorded.
Weren't pirates more like inhabitants of a Zomia (James C. Scott) of the sea then just "hardend criminals"?
If I'm given the choice of British sailor vs. pirate in 1800, not sure what I'd pick.
No not really. How hardened depending on the pirate, case by case basis really. Also being a British sailor was definitely better as it meant monthly pay and you weren't liable to be hanged if ever caught.
Grace O'Malley was not Northen Irish for three reasons.
1. She was from Mayo.
2. The concept of Northen Ireland did not exist then, it emegered in the 20th century. She died before the Ulster plantation
3. She's famous for her violent resistance to English rule expanding into Connaught. Northern Irish is an identity which emerged to preserve and justify British rule in the North of Ireland.
1. the irish peoples only culture and history is marxism
2. northern ireland is a country and it was settled by the scottish not the english
good video
Wait... Long John Silver was from Cornwall? I thought his accent was more Northern England.
Yeah, Robert Newton was Shaftesbury Dorset. He definitely played up the accent a bit but he really did talk like that. Was a real party animal and goof ball as well.
15:48 Cypher re-enacting the days before the declaration of independence?
I have to say, I get really annoyed by the fanciful tales we tell of piracy and the romantising of them. They were murderous thieves. Not much different from a person in modern times who robs a gas station and kills the attendant.
Not wrong. The best comparison between working a merchant ship of the era, is working a 7/11. Its why most merchants surrendered at first sight. The pay sucked and you'll get little out of defending yourself. Some did of course, but that wasn't the most common response.
Death grips?
What I'm getting is Jack Rackham is immortal.
If so, then his name spelling wise isn't. The h in Rackham wasn't around until Philip Gouse added it in his history book. Along with adding fake quotes about how he romanced women.
How many years has this vidiow been in the making tyler really pushed ya for this
just a few months
@@CynicalHistorian in the chats on
discord you make it seem like years
@@USSChicago-pl2fq The past twelve months have felt like years.
YAAAAAAAR
I had the privilege of meeting your father last week at the Clark County Museum. Well actually I only, "saw" him on the grounds. I didn't want to be one of, "those" people.
Cynical Historian,
Sorry you’re having trouble getting people to watch this. It is pretty interesting.
Privateers? I prefer "civilian contractors."
No shoutout to Jack Rackam's channel?
Ironically he's never really discussed his name sake beyond an amusingly titled video, the most okayist pirate ever which didn't really discuss that topic. I'd go further and say he was aggressively mediocre at best and kinda awful at worst. Grand pirate? The guy was stealing from fishing boats and got beat in roughly a minute or less by one pirate hunter.
Assassins creed 4 crew !
Don't all good stories involve pirates
Jack Rackem....where have I heard that name befor..... *OHHHH*
The funny thing is, his famous nickname Calico Jack is probably fictional. The name only appears in General History and the court transcripts makes no mention of a nickname. These transcripts loved to include nicknames so its very suspicious.
i expect this to be Black Sails review, but okay.
I'm not sure what could be said about the show that isn't said here. Its not really a historical show, as its meant to be a prequel to Treasure Island. It has elements of history but the connections are somewhat tenuous.
Hmmmm...meta history, the history of history....
this just made me miss Black Flag
I know. The amount of times I played that soundtrack while writing is cartoonishly large. If that burial record is real then well one verse from Parting Glass fits the real Anne Bonny well. And all I've done, to want of wit, to memories now I can't recall.
Yo ho yo ho it's a pirate's life for me
I believe that was written for the original Pirates of the Caribbean ride, George Burns and Xavier Atencio were the composer and writer respectably. Its not really even a sea shanty or drinking song of the era, although it certainly is fun.
Take A Moment
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12:50 arrr 12:59 😂
Wonderful 🎉
Dude what do you do for fun.
fun? what's that?
@@CynicalHistorian I think that's when you get to research a topic you picked yourself rather than one assigned to you.
Reading old crumbling documents can be fun....
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Reading old, crumbling documents is a way to keep future generations from having that document at all. At some point, imaging and preservation are better.
@@BradyPostma That's how I read mine. Reading paper turned yellow that was digitally scanned in. Only way to read stuff in Jamaica due to the pandemic.
Funny enough I know someone who makes the difference between pirates and poirates.
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HEY THIS IS GOOD FOR ONE PIECE STUFF IRONICALLY LMAOOOOOO SMALL WORLD
Fun aside, nearly every pirate in that show is loosely inspiring by a real pirate. Gol D Rogers sounds a lot like Olivier Leverssour, down to saying find my treasure. The real life French pilot in legend threw a cryptogram into the crowd before the hanging. That story is almost certainly a lie for the record. I mean there's a woman named Jewelry Bonny. Guess who that's based on...
Chinas pirate Queen was cooler
A lot more can be said about Ching Shi that's for sure. Cooler I don't know but she's certainly more interesting.
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Great video on English history, shame about the cringe american film playing for most of it.