I hate when Colin has a guest on and as soon as the guest talks for 4 words he needs to jump back in and talk over them. You have a whole show dude. Let the guest speak.
Majority of those degrees that the student athletes are allow to major in are weightless…..the schools don't allow the athletes to major in anything serious like engineering or biology….these guys are majoring in classes that 1. Aren't during practice time 2. Are easy enough to keep the player/team gpa high. So in reality, they are not getting anything of value in return.
Yes and no. Is a degree in communications easy to earn? Because I know a couple of dudes that got their degrees with those majors and won an NCAA bball national championship. One of them graduated in 3 yrs instead of 4.
@@neetrab I'm doing comms and I can tell you my contact hours aren't close to someone doing engineering, medicine, biology or law. It's not a basic degree it gives you plenty of employment opportunity beyond graduating if you really excel but it's not a super difficult degree.
I'm with you but they would never do that..It's all about selling the product aka the players and taking that money to build those top notch facilities so they can get a return on their investment aka the players..They don't care about these kids. All they care about is making as much money off of them as they can and make sure they don't touch any of it
jaws102585 Exactly. The universities who sell their name brand attached to a continuously refreshing batch of unpaid (by mandate, not practice) athletes are bloating their salaries, bureaucracies and (most importantly) their tuitions while this country suffers from record student loan debt and degree holder unemployment. And under the hypocrisy of amateurism, the kids take all the risk and can be replaced at any time by another recruit who must follow all the unwritten rules of his or her chosen school's athletics program.
l live in Alabama. Our football is our pro team. Plus players are trained harder on the collegiate level rather than pro. Pro is more abour keeping yourself at the right level. College is about getting better i.e. much harder training
I will have to disagree man, in college the players don’t make any money for their production so spending more money on your “product” in the end the payoff will be better
James Spiegel Alabama is the only team good enough to catch ppls attention there, college does not train harder than the NFL lol you are delusional, the level of competition is greater in the nfl , hence that’s why ALABAMA goes undefeated almost every year bro, please do more research before you talk
It's a joke. A scholarship is equal to a 401K at your job. It's something that benefits you later in life and does nothing for you today. Pay these dudes.
Derek Williams worse? how? because they were/are justified that it's what's best for them (slaves / college players). Serious answers only please. genuine question.
Let them make money off of their image, likeness, signatures, appearances etc. It's ok to reward them with a scholarship and university experience without pay for play but it's so un-American to not let them make money on their own time like EVERY other student on campus.
Disappointed in Auburn, but so many other schools as well. Of course every top program does something differently, but it's nonetheless unfortunate and disappointing for the fans and recruits
Colin I think you are partially right about the Vegas analogy, but I think what got Pinto and the other coaches, is the pressure to win. They love the job so much, but to keep it they have to keep winning, so they take short cuts like these.
TheColecoVisionary unbridled capitalism is not using the state to ensure that people are not allowed to earn anything through laws, from their skills. Unbridled capitalism is when a talentless group of women (the Kardashians) are able to earn ungodly sums of money. It's when insta thots are able to get product sponsorships to promote on their Instagram. The NCAA is not capitalism's problems
Big football programs like Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State don’t have to pay recruits to come to they’re schools the program speaks for its self. But I do believe it happens in collage football like Joel said, I wouldn’t put it past Art Briles when he was at Baylor !
I don't understand people saying these kids shouldn't get paid? It seems bitter. Being a student athlete is a full time job, and they aren't even allowed jobs to earn money! How's that fair? People are jealous they weren't talented enough to get a scholarship , so don't want these kids making what they deserve. Don't give me they get a free education BS. Just stop it.
No, you still don't explain why basketball gets such a better ROI. It's b/c in basketball an individual player is 1/5th of an entire team. In football a single player could be 1/22 maybe 1/28 if you include kicker/holders/other specialists. Other than QB football players don't make an impact like Colin always about moving the betting line.
I don't like the idea of paying players simply because there are a very few "stars" in college basketball, or future NBA guys, who may be worth millions in revenue to the schools, but 95% of college players are just very replaceable guys. If college players were contracted, you'd have the few elites making hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in some cases, and then most players making essentially just a very small supplemental income. It seems pointless and a little insulting to the average player, as if you're throwing them a few scraps just because you have to. If everyone is paid the same modest wage, then that doesn't stop corruption at all. Because why would a player be happy with making $20-30k or whatever the base salary would be worth when a big name university is offering him a couple hundred thousand up front? There just isn't a good way for the universities to do it. It makes the most sense to instead allow players to monetize their own name and brand to make money off of themselves through shoe or jersey contracts, autographs, camps, whatever if the players want money now.
Not true. Klatt explains why pretty clearly. A players value is much more difficult to project in football than in basketball. So a kid in middle school can be crowned the next LeBron in basketball, and actually become the next LeBron, while in Football a five star recruit out of high school could get benched for a walk on. College football is not clean, but its not as bad as college basketball. So stud basketball players start getting bribes way way younger than football players do because the possibility of failure on the "investment" is far lower.
That's a fair assessment and I agree alot with what Klatt explained. But I just find it hard to believe that football players @ major college programs, are truly putting in an honest effort towards academics and everything that entails being a Student-Athlete. Football players require 3 years removed from high school to turn pro, that's 3x more classes, 3x more lectures, and 3x more homework. I think major football programs ease these kids thru school, put them in right places to "succeed" without having to put any major work. Alot of these 5 star athletes/prospects sound very illiterate and kind of just mumble their way thru on-air interviews when they're suppose to be receiving higher learning. Makes you think what's really going on behind the scenes?
College Football is like Walmart and college basketball is like Facebook. Walmart makes more money than Facebook but has more employees and pays them way less compared to Facebook
Dre- -Day in a way yes. The top basketball highschoolers get alot more attention. Football player money is more spread out as in you don't have those people you can pick (like basketball) and they are automatically good
But they tell us QB is the most important position in sports, that doesn’t make sense with what they are saying about basketball players. If you get rid of or change title 9 you could pay them. If you pay them now you have to pay every college athlete. Most of whom are financial losers for the school.
marvin mccleoud actually I went to the first two, only was able to watch the first half of the Texas game because I had a race at night so I couldn't want the crazy OT victory and watched every down of the cal game and what I can tell you is that sam darnold, is a champion. He's overcame every single adversary ever handed to him. He's a remarkable young man.
I like how Pitino is in the thumbnail despite not (and never has) being found guilty of anything lmao. But I get it, he's a prominent figure, a hall of famer... anything for clicks.
Football is just as dirty, shut up dude. We all know it... Corruption always follows mass amounts of money. You CANNOT expect people to work against self-interest 100% of the time.
Just let the players make money off their likeness and sign autographs and what not. As long as the school its self isn't paying them who care if they collect some frogskins or dead president from a booster or Nike. Pretending a degree from Duke which can get you a $60,000 per year job is equal to $10million right now is ridiculous. Making rules which steer players towards that fallacy is ridiculous. Even if 95% of players who good enough to go pro they might be getting a pretty good bargain its kind of socialism to force the great players cost themselves money now to help the low level players.
I don't root for 18 year old kids. I root for the name on the front of the jerseys... the $ is with the brand. NOBODY cares or watches the D-League & the D-League is a higher level of basketball then College Basketball. The value is carried with the schools & 99.9% of the time NOT the players.
sean gallagher its a different game though which is a reason the nba re-marketed the d-league into “G-League” . The term “development” automatically turns people off. College only sells more than the dleague because of their market for the community and locality. Also the dleague runs the course of the NBA Schedule so for the dleague to be popular they would have to rival the league in itself
Aaron Murrell the NBA could not pay me to watch the G-League. I just genuinely could care less who is playing or who wins or losing. And I am saying this as a huge basketball fan.
Trae Williams, I'm just trying to be very honest. College fans are fans of the schools/brands not the players. If it wasn't for the NCAA, 99% of the student-athletes wouldn't have a platform to play in. Nobody cares about the G-League & they have better players in that league then at the college level. The NBA loses $ on the G-League.
You're partially correct, but without the players the school can't compete in the first place... Also, the schools that make most of the money from sports make that money because they are successful at that sport! Unsuccessful programs still have fans of corse, but don't make nearly as much money. So higher skilled players make a school more successful, there by making their "brand" worth more. That means a portion of a programs value is directly related to the players, making them worth some form of compensation, what that should be, I have no clue.
Pretty creepy to call players "commodities." Although Klatt hits the nail on the head, and this description is likely accurate to how athletic departments look at basketball and football players. The NCAA is basically a cartel that organizes to suppress the wages of players. Because there is so much incentive to cheat, schools are bound to pay for the top talent (although, still at a less than their market value). If you care about amateurism and don't want the players paid, fine, make college athletics a school-run club system where their aren't coaches being paid exorbitantly and there aren't millions of dollars made on the backs of players. Otherwise, pay the players for their work.
Klatt's making some damn good points here.
Klatt is awesome, love it when he's on the show.
Caleb Zedwick Guys take a look at my most Madden video! It would mean a lot to me and I put alot of work into it!
Love Joel klatt
In Joe Klatt we trust.
Joe Klatt is on point. My favorite person to listen to when it comes to college football.
Joel Klatt is ALWAYS dropping facts on facts
Elijah Smith Guys take a look at my most Madden video! It would mean a lot to me and I put alot of work into it!
Klatt trying to keep us informed asf.
He did an even better job than usual today. He always squares away lil' emotional Colin
Same.....even though he looks like Justin Hartley from "This Is Us" LOL!!!
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Excellent segment
The NCAA doesn't allow athletes to be musicians, actors or entertainers. Please, these guys only care about the bottom line.
Stands up and applaud Joel Klatt!!!
Real talk from Joel Klatt. Respect 👍🏽🏆
Joel Klatt is the white Chris Broussard
riku marcelin - Stupid comments like that , don't allow this world to advance itself nearly as fast as it is capable of .
riku marcelin ye
Lol he is the broussard
Joel Klatt needs to have his own show!! This guy Is a genius
I hate when Colin has a guest on and as soon as the guest talks for 4 words he needs to jump back in and talk over them. You have a whole show dude. Let the guest speak.
Majority of those degrees that the student athletes are allow to major in are weightless…..the schools don't allow the athletes to major in anything serious like engineering or biology….these guys are majoring in classes that 1. Aren't during practice time 2. Are easy enough to keep the player/team gpa high. So in reality, they are not getting anything of value in return.
Yes and no. Is a degree in communications easy to earn? Because I know a couple of dudes that got their degrees with those majors and won an NCAA bball national championship. One of them graduated in 3 yrs instead of 4.
@@neetrab I'm doing comms and I can tell you my contact hours aren't close to someone doing engineering, medicine, biology or law. It's not a basic degree it gives you plenty of employment opportunity beyond graduating if you really excel but it's not a super difficult degree.
Remove any and all public funding for collegiate sports. There is no way universities should have better training facilities than professional teams.
I'm with you but they would never do that..It's all about selling the product aka the players and taking that money to build those top notch facilities so they can get a return on their investment aka the players..They don't care about these kids. All they care about is making as much money off of them as they can and make sure they don't touch any of it
jaws102585 Exactly. The universities who sell their name brand attached to a continuously refreshing batch of unpaid (by mandate, not practice) athletes are bloating their salaries, bureaucracies and (most importantly) their tuitions while this country suffers from record student loan debt and degree holder unemployment.
And under the hypocrisy of amateurism, the kids take all the risk and can be replaced at any time by another recruit who must follow all the unwritten rules of his or her chosen school's athletics program.
l live in Alabama. Our football is our pro team. Plus players are trained harder on the collegiate level rather than pro. Pro is more abour keeping yourself at the right level. College is about getting better i.e. much harder training
I will have to disagree man, in college the players don’t make any money for their production so spending more money on your “product” in the end the payoff will be better
James Spiegel Alabama is the only team good enough to catch ppls attention there, college does not train harder than the NFL lol you are delusional, the level of competition is greater in the nfl , hence that’s why ALABAMA goes undefeated almost every year bro, please do more research before you talk
I think players should be able to make money off their names, if a player can sign autographs for 50$ a pop he or she should be able to do that
It's a joke. A scholarship is equal to a 401K at your job. It's something that benefits you later in life and does nothing for you today. Pay these dudes.
bodine1231 you don’t go to college to get payed. You go to get an education.
So you job gives you experience and learning moments for better job opportunities in the future so you job doesn't need to pay you.
NCAA is like a giant plantation.
Marc H yep, worse than slavery in my opinion
Derek Williams worse? how? because they were/are justified that it's what's best for them (slaves / college players). Serious answers only please. genuine question.
Marc H because slaves were totally given a free education.
The Moose has been saying this for years. Nothing new.
Derek Williams how?? like seriously.....how?
Many college basketball players really don't get enough of education especially if they go to the NBA draft
Pay college players already wtf
FREE WILL DEFENDER funny thing is even we backwater African countries pay college students for sports
This rich people just being greedy
FREE WILL DEFENDER they get payed in an education.
Really you and I know that they don’t get any better education and yes the Africans get an education too
Bridgette Katamani the majority of the football players get a full scholarship. If they get payed they would have to pay about 100,000 a year
KP Islanders26 what are you talking about.
Let them make money off of their image, likeness, signatures, appearances etc. It's ok to reward them with a scholarship and university experience without pay for play but it's so un-American to not let them make money on their own time like EVERY other student on campus.
NCAA can do this but nothing has happened to Ole Miss after that Leremy Tunsil stuff that happened and he ownded up to? Wow
TRUTH!!!
Klatt is the Goat
College basketball players here in Philippines get "paid/allowance" by the school.
Football players=kleenex, basketball players= handkerchief
This man is great
Preach
Duke basketball is about to make so much money off of Zion Williamson and R.J Barrett.
This is music to my ears
Disappointed in Auburn, but so many other schools as well. Of course every top program does something differently, but it's nonetheless unfortunate and disappointing for the fans and recruits
Highly underrated talk here
Klatt needs his own show and shoutout to his style and suits
“Carmelo won an ncaa title by himself” Colin is tweaking Syracuse had a squad. Hakeem Warrick and McNamara were nice
Right
Dudes dropping some serious insight
Colin I think you are partially right about the Vegas analogy, but I think what got Pinto and the other coaches, is the pressure to win. They love the job so much, but to keep it they have to keep winning, so they take short cuts like these.
Amateurism?!?! How about unbridled capitalism?
TheColecoVisionary unbridled capitalism is not using the state to ensure that people are not allowed to earn anything through laws, from their skills. Unbridled capitalism is when a talentless group of women (the Kardashians) are able to earn ungodly sums of money. It's when insta thots are able to get product sponsorships to promote on their Instagram. The NCAA is not capitalism's problems
7:40 Church scandals, sports candles, and political scandals.
Joel Klatt for president
Nice guest!!
When will we start focusing on the corruption of NCAA referees? Because this is becoming a serious problem and it MUST be addressed. NOW.
Big football programs like Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State don’t have to pay recruits to come to they’re schools the program speaks for its self. But I do believe it happens in collage football like Joel said, I wouldn’t put it past Art Briles when he was at Baylor !
So what's the problem? I don't get it?
Wow, this makes Lavar Ball look very smart when he sent both his kids overseas to play in Lithuania.
So why is it just specific schools being charged ?
How the F did I get in a 2017 video???
Everyone just goes Straight to the NBA nowadays. No more no and done.
I don't understand people saying these kids shouldn't get paid? It seems bitter. Being a student athlete is a full time job, and they aren't even allowed jobs to earn money! How's that fair?
People are jealous they weren't talented enough to get a scholarship , so don't want these kids making what they deserve. Don't give me they get a free education BS. Just stop it.
This dude is good
No, you still don't explain why basketball gets such a better ROI. It's b/c in basketball an individual player is 1/5th of an entire team. In football a single player could be 1/22 maybe 1/28 if you include kicker/holders/other specialists. Other than QB football players don't make an impact like Colin always about moving the betting line.
Sport Candles
Pay the players.
Sometimes I cant stand Klatt and I really dont know why. And then there are times he spits so much truth I want to stand up and clap! 😂
Reggie bush; USC. It does happen in football.
Reef Mulkey That really widespread case of one player.
I don't like the idea of paying players simply because there are a very few "stars" in college basketball, or future NBA guys, who may be worth millions in revenue to the schools, but 95% of college players are just very replaceable guys. If college players were contracted, you'd have the few elites making hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in some cases, and then most players making essentially just a very small supplemental income. It seems pointless and a little insulting to the average player, as if you're throwing them a few scraps just because you have to. If everyone is paid the same modest wage, then that doesn't stop corruption at all. Because why would a player be happy with making $20-30k or whatever the base salary would be worth when a big name university is offering him a couple hundred thousand up front? There just isn't a good way for the universities to do it. It makes the most sense to instead allow players to monetize their own name and brand to make money off of themselves through shoe or jersey contracts, autographs, camps, whatever if the players want money now.
I say, pay them 1k a week or have a "salary cap". Plus, a percentage of their profits off their likeness.
these players dont need to get paid..point blank period
NCAA Football is as dirty, if not , dirtier than NCAA Basketball. More players, more coaches, and more popularity !
Not true. Klatt explains why pretty clearly. A players value is much more difficult to project in football than in basketball. So a kid in middle school can be crowned the next LeBron in basketball, and actually become the next LeBron, while in Football a five star recruit out of high school could get benched for a walk on. College football is not clean, but its not as bad as college basketball. So stud basketball players start getting bribes way way younger than football players do because the possibility of failure on the "investment" is far lower.
That's a fair assessment and I agree alot with what Klatt explained. But I just find it hard to believe that football players @ major college programs, are truly putting in an honest effort towards academics and everything that entails being a Student-Athlete. Football players require 3 years removed from high school to turn pro, that's 3x more classes, 3x more lectures, and 3x more homework. I think major football programs ease these kids thru school, put them in right places to "succeed" without having to put any major work. Alot of these 5 star athletes/prospects sound very illiterate and kind of just mumble their way thru on-air interviews when they're suppose to be receiving higher learning. Makes you think what's really going on behind the scenes?
College Football is like Walmart and college basketball is like Facebook. Walmart makes more money than Facebook but has more employees and pays them way less compared to Facebook
Dre- -Day in a way yes. The top basketball highschoolers get alot more attention. Football player money is more spread out as in you don't have those people you can pick (like basketball) and they are automatically good
But they tell us QB is the most important position in sports, that doesn’t make sense with what they are saying about basketball players. If you get rid of or change title 9 you could pay them. If you pay them now you have to pay every college athlete. Most of whom are financial losers for the school.
I will go future and say I would not surprise me if it persists in other sports.
Thank goodness my favorite sport, College Football, is totally clean!! 🏉🤘😃🤘🏉
You just said USC was going to lose to WASHINGTON STATE? Colin Colin Colin
Republic Bricks they are
It was more that in college football upsets happen all the time. But they almost never happen in college basketball.
Republic Bricks
The possibility is there. In basketball, not so much.
I think that’s the point Colin was saying.
Republic Bricks haven’t watched any usc games?
marvin mccleoud actually I went to the first two, only was able to watch the first half of the Texas game because I had a race at night so I couldn't want the crazy OT victory and watched every down of the cal game and what I can tell you is that sam darnold, is a champion. He's overcame every single adversary ever handed to him. He's a remarkable young man.
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I like how Pitino is in the thumbnail despite not (and never has) being found guilty of anything lmao. But I get it, he's a prominent figure, a hall of famer... anything for clicks.
Steve Prefontaine fought this in the sixties and seventies!
Basically he's saying basketball players are guaranteed to impact the team more.
and much more upside outside of the sport, much more money being produced from sneaker lines and clothing etc
Actually, creating a system of exploitation is very American. That's how our government works, and how our rich stays rich. Just saying...
you gotta pay the school back
Football is just as dirty, shut up dude. We all know it... Corruption always follows mass amounts of money. You CANNOT expect people to work against self-interest 100% of the time.
colin funny af to me sometimes
Yes, initially it’s for the right reasons but POWER CORRUPTS, i.e saying Pitino wants pinstripes and ponies
Klatt is daddy
cause its money to be made...point , blank, period
"you're not going to have a scandal this big in football" lmao steroids and concussions have something to say
He’s talking about specifically corruption...
Klatt needs a show not Colin
Maybe I should cheat...
Just let the players make money off their likeness and sign autographs and what not. As long as the school its self isn't paying them who care if they collect some frogskins or dead president from a booster or Nike.
Pretending a degree from Duke which can get you a $60,000 per year job is equal to $10million right now is ridiculous. Making rules which steer players towards that fallacy is ridiculous.
Even if 95% of players who good enough to go pro they might be getting a pretty good bargain its kind of socialism to force the great players cost themselves money now to help the low level players.
I'm staring at paying $250K in college intuition. So getting free college for playing a sport is getting paid. Stop crying.
55,000 per semester? Is your college campus' streets paved in gold?
$250K lol, you need a college education so you don’t get swindled like that.
the market decides what is fair!!!!! $1000 Yeezy shoes..... market decides the value..... WNBA. VS NBA. Demand and value period!!!
judd liliha yeezys retail for $220 but I get your point
I blame church candles.
Go watch "Blue Chips"
BBB....JBA
I don't root for 18 year old kids. I root for the name on the front of the jerseys... the $ is with the brand.
NOBODY cares or watches the D-League & the D-League is a higher level of basketball then College Basketball. The value is carried with the schools & 99.9% of the time NOT the players.
sean gallagher its a different game though which is a reason the nba re-marketed the d-league into “G-League” . The term “development” automatically turns people off. College only sells more than the dleague because of their market for the community and locality. Also the dleague runs the course of the NBA Schedule so for the dleague to be popular they would have to rival the league in itself
If it wasn't for them players you wouldn't like the school
Aaron Murrell the NBA could not pay me to watch the G-League. I just genuinely could care less who is playing or who wins or losing. And I am saying this as a huge basketball fan.
Trae Williams, I'm just trying to be very honest. College fans are fans of the schools/brands not the players.
If it wasn't for the NCAA, 99% of the student-athletes wouldn't have a platform to play in. Nobody cares about the G-League & they have better players in that league then at the college level. The NBA loses $ on the G-League.
You're partially correct, but without the players the school can't compete in the first place... Also, the schools that make most of the money from sports make that money because they are successful at that sport! Unsuccessful programs still have fans of corse, but don't make nearly as much money. So higher skilled players make a school more successful, there by making their "brand" worth more. That means a portion of a programs value is directly related to the players, making them worth some form of compensation, what that should be, I have no clue.
colin won me money
church candles.
I want Lavar Ball to run the NCAA he knows wzup
Hes a washington homer. Sc wins a close one fight on ✌️
Why can't I liked this video twice?
Gabe The Great Guys take a look at my most Madden video! It would mean a lot to me and I put alot of work into it!
Idk how I missed this but speak that shiggity. I'm surprised Klat is still breathing jesus he is speaking the truth.
They both kinda have the same voice
VT beats Clemson
AidenHighlights Anything can happen, but I'm going to say NO on this one.
william pavichevich VT is Laine will be going batshit, Clemson has a fairly young team. VT wins solely off of emotion
Why would the DOJ and the FBI waste tax payers money to investigate NCAA basketball?
John Taylor because what the coaches who have been arrested are accused of doing is fraud and bribery.
Pretty creepy to call players "commodities." Although Klatt hits the nail on the head, and this description is likely accurate to how athletic departments look at basketball and football players.
The NCAA is basically a cartel that organizes to suppress the wages of players. Because there is so much incentive to cheat, schools are bound to pay for the top talent (although, still at a less than their market value).
If you care about amateurism and don't want the players paid, fine, make college athletics a school-run club system where their aren't coaches being paid exorbitantly and there aren't millions of dollars made on the backs of players. Otherwise, pay the players for their work.
I love Joel, but don't turn into espn. Don't make this like jay Williams trying to talk about nfl
the sport of basketball
USC losing to Washington state? Really Colin?
Joel Gilmore I’m late asf .. but it happened lol
Came back a year later...klatt was off on the score lol
Just another reason the players or the players family should get a cut.
college football is next
Just make sure all males are crazy about a career.