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  • Deuterium is an element in the Warp Core reactors of Starships in Star Trek. Alongside the EPS Grid and Dilithium Crystals, it is all a part of a larger warp system so let's take a look at this part of the technology. Hydrogen is handy y'all.
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  • @markfergerson2145
    @markfergerson2145 Місяць тому +78

    The ST:TNG Tech Manual says that the Federation (and presumably other powers) operates large solar powered space stations that convert deuterium harvested from gas giants into anti-deuterium using large versions of the machines aboard starships that generate antimatter from deuterium collected by the Bussard scoops. Those machines are called Quantum Charge Reversal Devices or QCRDs.
    The scoops collect hydrogen, the deuterium is separated out, and the deuterium is burned in the auxiliary fusion reactors to power the QCRD to make anti-deuterium which can be used in the matter-antimatter reactor.
    You need a whole lot of hydrogen to get enough deuterium to make a little antimatter so the process isn’t very efficient, but strictly speaking the QCRDs are there for emergencies when you run out of antimatter and can’t call in a tanker.
    There are crude images of the QCRD in the Manual but little more. None of the above has been mentioned on screen so its canonicity is iffy. If I recall correctly there are canon mentions of antimatter tankers but images can be scarce.
    Good luck making an episode out of it.

    • @NATIK001
      @NATIK001 Місяць тому +16

      Glad to hear they got some technobabble way to create it, because if they had to use methods known to us it would be nearly impossible to create appreciable amounts of it, fueling even a few starships would require insane infrastructure.
      Antimatter has at times been called the most expensive substance on the planet because it is so ridiculously hard to capture, creating it isn't hard, but capturing and storing it is mindbogglingly hard to do.

    • @LoneTiger
      @LoneTiger Місяць тому +3

      @@NATIK001 Just park a few collectors near the nearest star, the sun produces antimatter for free.

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Місяць тому +4

      @@LoneTiger Antiprotons and positrons yes, but not a lot and no antineutrons.

    • @davedsilva
      @davedsilva Місяць тому +1

      Great information! I know an anti matter PhD at Cern and will ask

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 5 днів тому

      @@LoneTiger Did you miss the part where NATIK literally said "capturing and storing it is mindbogglingly hard to do"? It doesn't matter how easily we can access it if we can't transport the stuff.

  • @StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe
    @StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe Місяць тому +86

    "There's coffee in that nebula"

    • @senya1672
      @senya1672 Місяць тому

      😂😂😂

    • @AMGPlayzYT
      @AMGPlayzYT Місяць тому +1

      piccard would say "theres earl grey in that nebula"

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera Місяць тому +21

    Deuterium is used as the matter component of the fuel for warp cores not because it's abundant but because it's also the ideal fuel to use in the impulse engines' fusion reactors. If you smash two atoms of deuterium together, you get one atom of helium and no stray neutrons that would require heavy radiation shielding to protect the crew against. Plus it fuses at lower temperature than normal hydrogen.

  • @Zeropointill
    @Zeropointill Місяць тому +55

    They HAVE produced antideuterium in a lab setting (I mean, where the hell else are you going to synthesize antimatter?). Just at such high velocities that it wasn't produced in a practical way yet, but there's multiple papers written about successful production and observation. All the way back in 1965.
    Massam, T; Muller, Th.; Righini, B.; Schneegans, M.; Zichichi, A. (1965). "Experimental observation of antideuteron production". Il Nuovo Cimento. 39 (1): 10-14.
    Dorfan, D. E; Eades, J.; Lederman, L. M.; Lee, W.; Ting, C. C. (June 1965). "Observation of Antideuterons". Phys. Rev. Lett. 14 (24): 1003-1006. Bibcode:1965PhRvL..14.1003D. doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.14.1003.

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Місяць тому +11

      Yup was going to say that. Sadly the only way they knew they produced it was it running into the detector and annihilating itself.

    • @danieltilson4053
      @danieltilson4053 Місяць тому +11

      Not only can they produce it, but they use a Magnetic containment field, just like in Star Trek.
      It's fascinating how much overlap there is.

    • @rickjohnston2667
      @rickjohnston2667 Місяць тому +1

      Good to know. Thanks for the info.

  • @clearcutter74
    @clearcutter74 Місяць тому +39

    BTW the plasma in the EPS system is generated from deuterium, it's not a separate commodity. A warp core takes in more deuterium than antimatter and the excess deuterium is converted into plasma by the annihilation. Fusion reactors can also produce plasma from deuterium (without needing antimatter), although less efficiently than a warp core.

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Місяць тому +12

      Yep. That’s why starships have auxiliary fusion reactors that can basically power everything in the ship except the warp coils.
      (Very power-hungry systems like phasers and shields can only run at reduced capacity on the fusion reactors, of course- the warp core produces terawatts of power, the fusion reactors only gigawatts.)

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Місяць тому +7

      @@markfergerson2145 They gone to warp with the Fusion reactors only but cap at like warp 1.5 or something (it was in the Enterprise D manual), just like the Phoenix did. Its not enough to get anywhere other than away from where you were at (think exploding star or planet).

    • @taemien9219
      @taemien9219 Місяць тому +8

      @@markfergerson2145 I believe whenever you hear a character talking about diverting auxiliary power, they are talking about fusion reactors iirc.

    • @epiendless1128
      @epiendless1128 Місяць тому

      I can really get behind this explanation of what plasma is. Treating it as an exotic commodity is nonsense.

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Місяць тому +5

      Drachinifel said something like that in a video he did with VenomGeekMedia a while ago. The warp core is the boiler of the ship, not the engine. It’s just pumping high energy plasma into the engines rather than steam.

  • @JusticeGamingChannel
    @JusticeGamingChannel Місяць тому +6

    And this is one thing I love about Star Trek, even though it is SCIFI, it's somehow still based on real science and seems real-world applicable and feasable.

  • @michaelvarney.
    @michaelvarney. Місяць тому +12

    Also, note that antimatter has been synthesized in a lab setting. In fact, you can generate it in many undergraduate labs (positrons). Look up PET scans. Anti-deuterium has been assembled as well.
    It is a matter of scale that is the current issue.

    • @artor9175
      @artor9175 Місяць тому +3

      Small amounts of antimatter are produced in the process of some lightning discharges as well.

    • @giin97
      @giin97 7 днів тому +1

      There is antimatter in bananas. No really. Bananas have potassium-40 in them, which releases a positron every 75 minutes. So yeah, antimatter in bananas.

  • @cormacmacsuibhne2867
    @cormacmacsuibhne2867 Місяць тому +63

    Geordi...uh...um Geordi, how much um... how much gas do we have? Are we good on um gas?
    -a very nervous Picard

    • @tman1990
      @tman1990 Місяць тому +9

      What till Picard gets that fuel bill, he might have to skip the Earl Grey and grab the nearest bottle of château Picard 47.

    • @tman1990
      @tman1990 Місяць тому +6

      We're gonna need at least 1,000,000,000 gallons just to get the enterprise to the nearest starbase, but we’ll probably be running on fumes by then if Wesley is piloting the ship because he’ll probably be doing space burnouts and trying to race other ships.

    • @chadbizeau5997
      @chadbizeau5997 Місяць тому +1

      I understood that reference!

    • @aurorajones8481
      @aurorajones8481 Місяць тому

      Picard would never say such a thing.

    • @momokochama1844
      @momokochama1844 Місяць тому +7

      It's 20 lightyears to Vulcan, we've got a full tank of deuterium, half a bottle of Château Picard, it's dark and we're wearing pajamas.

  • @lorzon
    @lorzon Місяць тому +3

    The Star Trek Warp Drive isn't an Alcubierre style space warping device. It's very much a traditional Hyperspace drive wherein the ship is transitioned into Subspace where the speed of light is significantly higher than in normal space. This process requires significant energy to maintain, which is why the ship falls out of warp speed upon loss of power

  • @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
    @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Місяць тому +27

    Personally I'm a fan of using micro-black holes if not for the weird issues and the fact if you ever have to do an emergency shutdown you can't restart without going to the shipyard to have a new blackhole installed. that's a bit of a deal breaker.

    • @TheAsvarduilProject
      @TheAsvarduilProject Місяць тому +12

      @@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket what if your black hole breaks down between Romulus and Risa , though? Is Space AAA going to bring you a new black hole?

    • @tschorsch
      @tschorsch Місяць тому +2

      They're being hypothetical, at the moment, is also an issue.

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Місяць тому +3

      @@tschorschSure, but we’re talking about a universe in which the periodic table goes up into the several hundreds and the elementary particle tables include subspace particles.

    • @stevenclark2188
      @stevenclark2188 Місяць тому +1

      You probably still need to keep feeding in matter to get energy out though, hence the danger during shutdown. Also I wonder if it goes through a Hawking radiation collapse below a certain size threshold and still becomes a bomb.

    • @danivarius
      @danivarius Місяць тому +2

      Black holes, or the nuclei of them, were also utilised by other races as power sources. I’m thinking of a planet beginning with G for starters… 🤔

  • @martinstam5241
    @martinstam5241 Місяць тому +41

    Heh. Hydrogen. Eyes in the dark. One moon circles.. ^_^

    • @brookatkins8111
      @brookatkins8111 Місяць тому +2

      Nice !!

    • @drewc.256
      @drewc.256 Місяць тому +6

      That episode still gives me the creeps even though I know the voice is just trying to describe a hydrogen atom

  • @Mikerille
    @Mikerille Місяць тому +28

    Random fact: but in lower decks , it’s implied on runabouts at least, that certain systems have their own dedicated battery/power source, as when the deuterium was depleted during a crash, they could still use the replicator and some other systems

    • @hudsonball4702
      @hudsonball4702 Місяць тому +1

      Lower decks isn't canon though.

    • @Mikerille
      @Mikerille Місяць тому +16

      @@hudsonball4702 bro lower decks is canon, idk who lied to you and said it wasn’t, it’s 1,000% canon

    • @connycontainer9459
      @connycontainer9459 Місяць тому +1

      @@Mikerille 1% thats right

    • @TiganWelsh
      @TiganWelsh Місяць тому +11

      Makes sense, honestly, to give the "Systems that stop you being dead" their own backup power systems, just in case.

    • @hudsonball4702
      @hudsonball4702 Місяць тому +1

      @@Mikerille Anything made from the final episode of ENT till today is NOT canon.

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 Місяць тому +4

    It always cracked me up when Voyager had a deuterium crisis. Guys, tons of planets have vast oceans. Just scoop out some water and do the electrolysis!

    • @DarthRagnarok343
      @DarthRagnarok343 Місяць тому

      Also you can make deuterium by fusing hydrogen atoms together, hydrogen the most common element in the universe.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Місяць тому +2

      Yeah the science advisor was flipping out. The episode was originally written as a short supply of Dilithium, but someone in charge thought it would be hilarious if Voyager was "running out of gas." 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

    • @artor9175
      @artor9175 Місяць тому +1

      @@DarthRagnarok343 This is not correct. That's how you make helium.

    • @DarthRagnarok343
      @DarthRagnarok343 Місяць тому

      @@artor9175 The process of fusing hydrogen to helium has multiple steps. The first is fuse two hydrogens into a single deuterium.

    • @Terminator484
      @Terminator484 Місяць тому +1

      @@DarthRagnarok343 Incorrect. Fusing two hydrogen atoms makes a single helium atom, not a deuterium atom. Deuterium is simply hydrogen with a single neutron added to the atom's nucleus. Continuing the trend, tritium is what we call the isotope of hydrogen that has two neutrons.
      You can create deuterium from hydrogen by bombarding it with a neutron beam, promoting neutron capture. You don't get deuterium from fusion.

  • @mb2000
    @mb2000 Місяць тому +10

    Funny that you can get deuterium from sea water, yet in VOY there’s several instances of them looking to dig deuterium up…

    • @rawels.1605
      @rawels.1605 Місяць тому +6

      You forget in the first season they said water was rare on delta quadrant

    • @darlhiatt8136
      @darlhiatt8136 Місяць тому +6

      Which makes little sense, but tracks with the Kazon's value of it.

    • @mb2000
      @mb2000 Місяць тому +4

      @@rawels.1605 Well it would be if everyone is dumb enough to hang around the one desert planet instead of getting in their starships and going somewhere else!

    • @ashtonmiller-z1n
      @ashtonmiller-z1n Місяць тому

      well they dig it up from the water table deep inside the planet like a ice drill or water wells or you know from just ptuing good old water into a nuclear fusion ractor to get the deuteruim from it.

  • @ENetArch
    @ENetArch Місяць тому +2

    Time Index 6:05 - production of Anti-Matter .. this was briefly discussed somewhere in Trek Lore .. but actually quite practical. They setup reactors next to stars, which have an unlimited power source and plasma source, and can generate an unlimited amount quite easily. I expect earth to start generating Anti-Matter once we begin traversing space.

  • @ThePuppywolf
    @ThePuppywolf Місяць тому +3

    We actually have managed to construct an entire Anti-Hydrogen recently, so an Anti-Deuterium may not me far away

  • @UGNAvalon
    @UGNAvalon Місяць тому +1

    Imagine my surprise when I found out that tritium (from Spiderman 2) was also a real element. 😅 I was disappointed that it was “only” a hydrogen isotope, but finding out that it was really used in fusion reactions made it worthwhile.

  • @ThatMetalheadMan
    @ThatMetalheadMan Місяць тому +32

    I love how trek always made deuterium sound fancy when at the end of the day,its water lol. I remember watching something on History channel about nuclear reactors,especially in canada, making use of it almost solely as it absorbs the energy given off by the rods better than regular water,wheras US reactors just use water. Its where I learned of heavy water and it still blows my mind that the fancy "fuel" they used for their warp engines is really just simple dihydrogen monoxide.

    • @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
      @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Місяць тому +7

      Deuterium is what's used in fusion, Di-lithium is a fictional crystal made of lithium which is used to regulate matter/anti-matter reactions via SciFi space magic.
      Starships use matter/anti-matter reactors NOT fusion for FTL and bigger power needs (weapons/shields), they have fusion reactors onboard that provide impulse engine and emergency power. Edit: I forgot they used Deuterium/Anti-Dueterium in the matter/anti-matter mix; theoretically you could use many things but it's easier to fuse deuterium in the fusion reactor so I guess it makes sense they'd want to use the same matter in both reactors. Also Deuterium is made by adding a neutron to hydrogen, which makes it a little radioactive. It's also really rare compared to regular hydrogen.
      Deuterium is also used in real life to make nuclear weapons.

    • @silmarian
      @silmarian Місяць тому +14

      Deuterium isn’t water. It’s an isotope of hydrogen, one proton plus a neutron (tritium has two neutrons). Heavy water is deuterium and oxygen, which is probably what the History channel was talking about.

    • @ThatMetalheadMan
      @ThatMetalheadMan Місяць тому +1

      @@silmarian maybe I saw it years and years ago but I do know they said that deuterium is heavy water so idk. Wouldnt be the first time a channel that is now all about ancient aliens was wrong about something

    • @taitano12
      @taitano12 Місяць тому +7

      ​@@ThatMetalheadManIt is a PART of heavy water, it's what makes the water heavy, but it's not the heavy water itself.

    • @silmarian
      @silmarian Місяць тому +3

      @@ThatMetalheadMan It’s just a bit more nuanced than totally wrong, deuterium is what makes heavy water heavy. Zap it with some electricity and you have deuterium gas and oxygen instead of hydrogen and oxygen.

  • @DoctorX17
    @DoctorX17 Місяць тому +3

    Fun fact: research has shown that consumption of some higher than normal levels of heavy water can result in stronger cell bonds; this can help ward off cellular damage usually caused by radiation to some extent. However, exact levels are unclear, and too much heavy water can cause cellular degradation as things that SHOULD break down don’t do so as readily. And super heavy water will just kill you, lol

  • @mikecaetano
    @mikecaetano Місяць тому +3

    Harold Urey founded the chemistry department at my alma mater. The central department building was named after him. He died a few years before I went there, but I did get to meet his protege Stanley Miller a few times.

  • @adamrobinson3123
    @adamrobinson3123 Місяць тому +5

    CANDU reactors rely on heavy water due to favourable neutron economy that allows for fission to occur using natural uranium fuel. Its fun stuff, so fun that my degree is in it

    • @clouis5238
      @clouis5238 Місяць тому +1

      Kinda sad I wasn't the first person to say this. Have worked at a CANDU facility for many years.

    • @adamlytle2615
      @adamlytle2615 Місяць тому +1

      My dad worked at the heavy water plant at the Bruce Nuclear power plant until it closed in '96 or so.

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow Місяць тому +1

      At least one body (Oklo in Gabon) of uranium ore had its own natural reactor in it, back when U-235 made up a larger percentage of elemental uranium. Enough water soaked into the ore body to act as a moderator for the U-235 present, which was something like 3% of natural uranium back two billion or so years ago. U-235 has a shorter half-life than U-238, so it has dwindled down to a little over 0.7%, meaning natural reactors can't happen today.

    • @adamrobinson3123
      @adamrobinson3123 Місяць тому

      @@drtidrow you are correct in saying that the condition can no longer be met in nature. The natural uranium I am referring to is the term used to describe naturally occuring concentration of the isotopes. heavy water allows for the low U-235 to be used up, albeit not the most efficiently, but it can done.

    • @adamrobinson3123
      @adamrobinson3123 Місяць тому

      @@clouis5238 I did a stint at a plant a while ago for my degree, was quite fun

  • @aperson7624
    @aperson7624 Місяць тому +3

    Deuterium is actually safe to drink. It would only become a problem if you replaced like...1/3? of your body's total water with it. You'd need to drink like 5-10 gallons of deuterium over several days to do this.

    • @PatGunn
      @PatGunn Місяць тому

      There is debate on this

    • @lasarith2
      @lasarith2 Місяць тому +1

      It’s not that it’s safe to drink , it’s the Amount you generally drink from consuming water is so low - it doesn’t have any effect on on you,
      We actually have deuterium in our body’s ( right now) but again the % is so low there’s no effect.

  • @___j______b___2069
    @___j______b___2069 Місяць тому +2

    It would make sense to me to have your antimatter refinement take place right before it's injected. An on demand or near on demand process would negate the need for long term storage in the ship. Limiting risk from containment breaches.

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq Місяць тому +1

    3:20 if you're curious, 1 m^2 of water weighs 1000 kg. So deuterium represents about 0.0038% of sea water.

  • @yodaslovetoy
    @yodaslovetoy Місяць тому +101

    Yes. They get -10,000 miles per soul-

  • @nunyadayumbusiness591
    @nunyadayumbusiness591 Місяць тому +4

    Dueterium fuels the anti-matter catalyzed fusion reactor that powers the warp core. Add some lithium to the process and it fissions into tritium. (Proven important for fusion at Bikini Atoll, ~ a decade before TOS was written.)

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Місяць тому

      Don't you mean fusion catalyzed Matter/Antimatter reactor that is the Warp Core?

    • @nunyadayumbusiness591
      @nunyadayumbusiness591 Місяць тому

      @@3Rayfire Nope, warp core & reactor aren't the same component, they have teh same kind of relationship as your car's engine (reactor), and transmission (warp core).

  • @ChristopherHowes
    @ChristopherHowes Місяць тому +1

    The TNG technical manual (not official cannon) refers to onboard antimatter generators as very large, inefficient and primarily for the creation of emergency reserves where it takes 10 units of Deuterium to produce 1 unit of Antimatter. Practical for reaching the nearest star base or federation tanker rendezvous.

  • @epiendless1128
    @epiendless1128 Місяць тому +3

    It always sounds weird to me when plasma (i.e a container of "warp plasma") is treated as an exotic resource or commodity, when plasma it just the fourth state of matter after solid, liquid, and gas. I'd supposed it was just some normal material energised by the warp reactor, just like steam in a steam engine is just water heated by the boiler.
    I'd guess plasma started out as a quasi-real-world physics idea, and then later writers mystified it.

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams Місяць тому +2

      @@epiendless1128 that and, like steam, it gets _hot._ Even the low energy plasma in an early plasma TV could heat a room.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Місяць тому

      I think it's because thanks to being processed by Dilithium, the plasma from the warp core has a subspace component to it, that makes it higher energy than just being "Lightning in a Bottle".

  • @JohnMacCoy
    @JohnMacCoy Місяць тому +1

    I think I saw in one of the technical manuals in the ST universe for a starship to generate antimatter it takes 4 deuterium atoms to make 1 anti-deuterium atom.

  • @happmacdonald
    @happmacdonald Місяць тому +1

    Many thanks for continuing to be Ric. 😊

  • @samboyd1828
    @samboyd1828 Місяць тому +1

    hydrogen and it's alliotropes are surpringly common in fiction for FTL fuel. makes sense with how common hydrogen is. my favorite is definitely ekti from Saga of the Seven Suns

  • @marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938
    @marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938 Місяць тому +1

    Electric plasma thrusters already exist…they’re used to change orbits of spacecraft and have been used for long duration missions when NASA didn’t want to use nuclear fuel…high ISP but low velocity … they can run for very long periods to get up to very high speeds over time…if coupled with nuclear power, they’d be capable of even more…fusion rockets will be plasma based…

  • @rikrikonius1301
    @rikrikonius1301 Місяць тому +3

    When you mentioned transfer of antimatter, something occurred to me. What happens if you beam a container of antimatter on board?
    Would there need to be antimatter in the buffer?
    Could the transporter turn some of its stores into antimatter? If so, could you modify the transporter to make antimatter?

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Місяць тому

      You can transport antimatter and we've seen it on screen several times. Photon torpedoes have antimatter warheads, and they have beamed them several times.

    • @VulpisFoxfire
      @VulpisFoxfire Місяць тому +1

      @@jacara1981 One trick if you have transporter access...beam over a container of antimatter...then beam back *just* the container unit...

    • @EdricLysharae
      @EdricLysharae Місяць тому

      As long as the antimatter is the first and last matter to leave the transporter buffer during transport, all is well.
      ...Don't ask me how a transporter can break down antimatter in a transport beam.

  • @KylieDesire
    @KylieDesire Місяць тому

    We need more of such detailed Videos! 😊 Antimatter can be produced also on board in small amounts, like Technical Manual for Galaxy starship suggests.

  • @RurouniKalainGaming
    @RurouniKalainGaming Місяць тому +1

    A solid one. Love the footage too. Man, I wanna get into Star Trek Online, it just sesms so costly! Haha.

  • @eddzyeddzy6158
    @eddzyeddzy6158 Місяць тому

    Going through Sling Blade lines for Trek Fuel sources. "Ain't got no gas..."

  • @goofenhour2697
    @goofenhour2697 Місяць тому +2

    Great video, but did you forget to say at the beginning “Hello all! Rick here” ?

  • @asvarien
    @asvarien Місяць тому +1

    Surely some variant of replicator and/or transporter technology could break down heavier elements into hydrogen/deuterium and liberate a load of energy at the same time?

  • @pcheintz7264
    @pcheintz7264 Місяць тому +1

    Since you covered Deuterium and anti-deuterium... you probably should cover other fuels and uses in Star Trek if you can find any information on them, as they are much rarer. Such as Neutronic fuel. It was popular enough to need fuel carriers after all... aka Kobayashi Maru (there is apparently some FASA design as well called Lotus Flower Class). All I ever found on Neutronic fuel is it is used as a catalyst in some impulse engines.

    • @dakotahrickard
      @dakotahrickard Місяць тому +1

      I mean, deuterium is just hydrogen with a neutron. ... So ... Neutronic?
      Dunno.

  • @phild8095
    @phild8095 Місяць тому

    until the virtual inflaton drive is perfected yes, fuel is required.
    Derek Kunsken great idea!

  • @DavidPopowich
    @DavidPopowich Місяць тому

    Thanks for the concise explanations.

  • @josephbanatlao6461
    @josephbanatlao6461 Місяць тому +1

    Im interested in learning more about out how anti matter is generated or harvested in the Star Trek universe

  • @thanqualthehighseer
    @thanqualthehighseer Місяць тому +2

    Picard " The economics of the future are somewhat different, Money doesn't exist in the 24th century "
    Fuel Depot " I.m sorry you think that sir. But you still have to pay for your 20,000 cubic meters of Deuterium "
    Picard " MERDE! WARP 9 DATA! "

  • @NimbleTack
    @NimbleTack Місяць тому +5

    I'm sure I heard somewhere that starships had fusion reactors as well as warp reactors used for running the standard systems and the impulse engines. Fusion reactors use deuterium and tritium as fuel. I'm not sure how much is needed, but starships seem to be really power hungry, so I'm guessing a largish supply would need to be stored.

    • @jetfowl
      @jetfowl Місяць тому +3

      Yeah, fusion reactors onboard starships used deuterium as their fuel. And impulse engines used those reactors to generate the plasma needed to move as sub-light speeds.

    • @epiendless1128
      @epiendless1128 Місяць тому +2

      You are correct. Also the Impulse engines are fusion-based, and run off deuterium.

    • @Krahazik
      @Krahazik Місяць тому +1

      The galaxy class had 12 fusion reactors between the 2 visible parts of the impulse engines (port and starboard), 3 reactors per impulse engine and the saucer has 2 engines inside the glowy bit we see on each side for a total of 4 engines for the saucer. The main impulse engine had 4 impulse engines inside, each with 3 reactors for a total of 12 there, plus the ship had about another dozen auxiliary power fusion reactors scattered about both hulls. Yes starship are very power hungry. High end systems include the Transporters, Food Replicators, Holodecks, Shields and Weapon Systems

  • @user-gx8ng6bj5q
    @user-gx8ng6bj5q Місяць тому

    So there's this theory called "Feynman-Stueckelberg Interpretation" that states antimatter and antiparticles are gain from traveling backward in time. My head canon tells me the reason why time travel is a known tech in Star Trek, is for the production of these substances.

  • @thomask4978
    @thomask4978 Місяць тому

    Some remote gas stations can be pretty expensive. Now think about how expensive gas stations in space must be 😂

  • @korvatusklok4059
    @korvatusklok4059 Місяць тому

    I was under the impression that the antimatter use was anti protium not anti deuteron. If they used a deuteron/anti protium reaction that would leave a neutron which would breakdown into protium and be energized by the matter/antimatter reaction and supply the plasma for the EPS.

  • @khathecleric
    @khathecleric Місяць тому +1

    Fridge thought: Everything replicated may taste like water from the trace di-dieuterium oxide left behind?

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    Straight away, a purple rocky drawing.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    Right off the bat, a Si-fi interior.

  • @lasarith2
    @lasarith2 Місяць тому

    If I recall correctly from Voyager ( don’t remember where exactly) it takes 10x the Amount of Hydrogen to make 1 x AntiHydrogen 10 to 1

  • @jacara1981
    @jacara1981 Місяць тому

    If I remember right most of the ships power for running the ship comes from the Fusion generators not the warp core. The warp core is almost completely for generating warp plasma except in emergencies.

    • @Krahazik
      @Krahazik Місяць тому +1

      Not quite, the warp core had EPS taps for supply the electro plasma system that carries ships power all over the place, so it is indeed used to provide for general ship power as well as providing plasma for the warp engines. It is also why they keep the reactor running even when the ship is not at warp. They are using the reactor (at idle) to provide ship power in addition to the fusion reactors in the impulse engines and the auxiliary reactors. The presence the other reactors though is also why they can shut down the core for maintenance when they need to.

  • @DarkYuy
    @DarkYuy Місяць тому

    Deuterium is heavy water and they use it with anti Deuterium to produce power in the warpcore through the annihilation of matter and antimatter.

  • @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo
    @MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo Місяць тому

    This is why I love Star Trek. It has versimilitude on it's universe. Star Wars is a lot of mystic mumbo jumbo but Star Trek... There's rules to this Sh*t.

  • @skullhelmet1944
    @skullhelmet1944 Місяць тому

    Now I am anxiously awaiting the anti-matter video 😉

  • @MTTT1234
    @MTTT1234 Місяць тому

    So, Voyager probably has to make a pitstop once every few months at an planet or comet to mine as much water as they can, then filter out the deuterium to run their on-board fusion reactors for probably several weeks to power some sort of particle accelerator to create a small amount of antimatter to keep flying for a few months again. No wonder it would take them 70 years to fly back to Earth.

    • @Krahazik
      @Krahazik Місяць тому

      It is also why replicator and holodeck time was rationed off and they need to bring back the use of a galley. Holodecks and Replicators are very power hungry system and when fuel is no-longer an easy to com by commodity, got to save where you can.

  • @Kyrinson
    @Kyrinson Місяць тому +3

    And this brings to mind that one episode of Star Trek Enterprise where they had to stop at a deuterium refinery... built on a desert world... Why the hell did they build it there?! .. obviously because the writers didn't know what deuterium actually is.

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Місяць тому +1

      Because if something goes wrong and blows up theres no one else around, and the neutron radiation is contained to the planet and not flying through space in a death cloud.

    • @shauntempley9757
      @shauntempley9757 Місяць тому +3

      The answer to that question is in one name: Praxus.
      The Klingon moon that blew up from a facility doing the very work that is described here totally failing, which also started Qonos on an extinction timer for all life on it.
      A facility failing like that on Earth's moon in Star Trek would trigger that extinction timer too.
      Heck a Federation starship warp core breaching in orbit would do it too.

    • @shauntempley9757
      @shauntempley9757 Місяць тому +2

      One word: Praxis.

    • @Logarithm906
      @Logarithm906 Місяць тому

      @@shauntempley9757 that doesn't explain why it was on a desert world. You know, a world that doesn't have the raw materials to do the thing the refinery is there to do.
      Just stick it in orbit around any old gas giant, like any of them.
      @jacara1981 yeah your radiation argument is kind of weak. Sure you maybe don't want to do it on Earth or even in the Earth/Moon system but by the time you get to even just Jupiter any radiation accident will be barely measureable against the background radiation noise of the solar wind. Space is big and the inverse square rules strongly.
      I mean, we're literally only one au from a constantly burning, totally unshielded, fusion reactor. If something happened that caused Jupiter to release the same power as the sun, then on average the total solar irradiance at the Earth would be 1400 Watts/m^2, that's 39 Watts/m^2 up from the original 1361 Watts/m^2 the Sun alone produces. Sure you'd see it and over an extended period of time it might make bits of the Earth less habitable if you couldn't shade the Earth from the extra energy but for something that only occurs for a few minutes the worse that would happen is a few people go "huh that's a bright star" before hearing about the disaster on the news later in the evening.

    • @artor9175
      @artor9175 Місяць тому

      @@jacara1981 Why would you imagine the radiation would stay on the planet, or that space isn't full of radiation already?

  • @henrycobb
    @henrycobb Місяць тому

    FTL travel is time travel in general relativity, as the Trek shows have used over and over again. And antimatter is just normal matter moving backwards in time. So any warp capable ship can easily generate as much antimatter as they can contain.

  • @LarryPhischman
    @LarryPhischman Місяць тому

    In the real world we can probably make industrial qualities of antimatter by using a massive solar powered particle accelerator built in orbit of a small planet like Mercury. Essentially an orbital ring used to smash atoms.

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 Місяць тому

    Rick, have you ever played "Star Trek: Armada 1 or 2?" In it, you have to mine dilithium moons AND ☝🏻latinum* clouds* to construct advanced structures and advanced ships. 🖖🏻 P.S. Don't Bussard Collectors scoop up hydrogen and then convert their isotopes into deuterium? 7:49 Yeah, you just said this after I typed my question. 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @golddragongaming1
    @golddragongaming1 Місяць тому

    Deuterium is easy to come by. Unless your ship is called Voyager. No bloody A, B or J. The original always seems to have a problem getting deuterium. 😛

  • @aurorajones8481
    @aurorajones8481 Місяць тому +1

    OK ok i have to say i always thought Neutronium was silly considering the forces encountered stepping onto a spent neutron star. A teaspoon of neutronium (about 5 milliliters) would weigh roughly 2X10 to the 14th pounds making inpractically heavy and dense. THEN if we removed it from the star it would likely explode due to the absence of the extreme pressure conditions to keep it stable. Then if we did do that you would expect extreme tital forces, magnetic fields up to 10 to the 15th gauss (earths field is just 0.5 gauss), then radiation with x and gamma rays and finally impact forces of anything hitting this surface would be astronomical. None of it makes sense. And to have that Herogin walking through neutron caves? LOL that star would be beyond smooth. If he could walk on the star it would be completely smooth. They should have asked me for the realities of what they are saying.

    • @aurorajones8481
      @aurorajones8481 Місяць тому +1

      Id bet the ability to even land on a star like that would always be out of reach. I cant imagine any alien tech being able to withstand such forces even with shields, tractor beams, even phasing cloak... the min you unphased one atom of your machine for harvest its gone. Just getting to the surface would be... my mind breaks. And you want to make plate armor to cover a ship?! Damn fool!

    • @giin97
      @giin97 7 днів тому

      It might explode, or it might be metastable. If you compress hydrogen down to becoming a solid and then ease off the pressure, it's predicting to form a metastable liquid. Metastable hydrogen is actually a bit of a holy grail concept; all those sci-fi videogame dropships with tiny thrusters and seemingly entirely open space inside? Liquid metallic hydrogen is energy dense enough to build those IRL, if we can figure out how to make it without needing to squeeze a few atoms at a time between two diamonds.

  • @TheAtHamptonDotCom
    @TheAtHamptonDotCom Місяць тому

    but there was an episode of eleventh hour where the kid drank from the magic deuterium well and it cured his kidney cancer. so i made some tea with it.

  • @Solo-_-..
    @Solo-_-.. Місяць тому

    According to Archer and T’pol … its a valuable commodity.. I’m buying stock in it $$$

  • @garomcfbgdd3211
    @garomcfbgdd3211 Місяць тому +1

    Of course you need deuterium to do things
    If you didn't
    They'd call it Donterium

  • @RA10H56
    @RA10H56 Місяць тому +2

    Did the capsule at the tip of the Phoenix parachute back to earth???? How did it land???

  • @nobodyyouknow1065
    @nobodyyouknow1065 Місяць тому

    Ric, do you know why a warp core breach results in a catastrophic explosion while a ship simply being destroyed doesn’t result in the same?
    What I heard was that (in universe) antimatter only reacts with a positive atom of its own type. Hydrogen reacting only with anti-hydrogen for example.

    • @Krahazik
      @Krahazik Місяць тому +2

      Except we have seen it reactor with regular matter to result in a boom before. Specifically the first season episode when the Enterprises sister ship went boom because a computer virus caused the antimatter purge vent to open beginning a venting process, but then stopped mid purge and dropped the containment field with antimatter still in the line. Also loss of antimatter containment, either in the pods of the reactor means said antimatter is contacting the walls of said vessels and reacting to go boom. That is why magnetic containment is such a big deal.

  • @enisra_bowman
    @enisra_bowman Місяць тому

    another Source for Anti-Deuterium might be sourced from the Bussard Collectors
    We already observed it in the Upper Atmosphere of Gas Giants and Gas Clouds might exist that also have Anti-Matter in it or are Anti-Clouds
    And i think you also now need to make a Video about the Concept of an Bussard Collector

  • @90lancaster
    @90lancaster Місяць тому

    @Mikerille Micro-fusion Batteries similar to what keeps the emergency lights on too.

  • @chrisserfass8635
    @chrisserfass8635 Місяць тому

    Deuterium was used in the certain types of Hydrogen Bombs.

  • @mrbuck5059
    @mrbuck5059 Місяць тому

    Bussard Collectors go brrrrr..

  • @joda7697
    @joda7697 Місяць тому

    I would suspect that, given we only really hear about deuterium being needed to refuel, that the replication of one part of antideuterium costs less energy than is released from a reaction of one part of antideuterium with one part deuterium. In theory, if their replicators are efficient enough, this could be feasible, and would explain how ships can refuel in matter (not antimatter) nebulae with only the use of their bussard collectors.

  • @CaptainWhitmire
    @CaptainWhitmire Місяць тому

    What map is at 5:40 with that cylindrical station? I presume it’s some deuterium refinery based on the context but I’ve never seen this map before.

  • @matthewneufeld8854
    @matthewneufeld8854 Місяць тому

    Actually I don't like what they're done with saying that dilithium crystals break down turning it all into gas is very restrictive.

  • @keithtorgersen9664
    @keithtorgersen9664 Місяць тому

    @Certifiably Ingame, if the opportunity comes up, please discuss some of the fictional minerals/metals that are frequently used in the franchise, such as duranium, neutronium, the metals used in ablative hull armor. Thank you

    • @Terminator484
      @Terminator484 Місяць тому +1

      Neutronium is real. It's the stuff in the core of neutron stars, where a teaspoon weighs more than Mount Everest.
      It's degenerate matter composed entirely of tightly-packed neutrons, and is the densest solid substance in the universe (a black hole is more dense, but is a singularity that breaks spacetime, so it's not baryonic matter anymore). Compare that to normal atoms, which are almost entirely empty space.

  • @MysteriousMose
    @MysteriousMose Місяць тому

    I want to hear about antimatter generation in Trek

  • @vortimerofkent128
    @vortimerofkent128 Місяць тому

    Now I'm looking forward to the antideuterium-video.

  • @davidholloway1042
    @davidholloway1042 Місяць тому

    Antimatter has been made. CERN Labs in 1995

  • @christenorio81
    @christenorio81 Місяць тому

    On the nx-alpha did the deuterium anti-deuterium must by contamination with trinium and anti trithum causing the warp Field imbalance was corrected into nx-beta explaining John Archer cheated into Warp 5 complex

  • @almightytitan2354
    @almightytitan2354 Місяць тому

    3:00 One moon circles....

  • @quentra4304
    @quentra4304 Місяць тому

    Damn good video as always, thanks

  • @jeffhallam2004
    @jeffhallam2004 Місяць тому

    Great video!

  • @63Arnast
    @63Arnast Місяць тому

    Have you ever done a video on the scimitar?

  • @badkarma3059
    @badkarma3059 Місяць тому

    slush deuterium for the win

  • @plummet3860
    @plummet3860 Місяць тому

    Its for the fusion reactors

  • @beridot2615
    @beridot2615 Місяць тому

    No one explains how they collect the energy from the anti-matter. I need a essay.

  • @ValkyriesMoon
    @ValkyriesMoon Місяць тому +2

    You can drink heavy water, you'd be fine. It's actually oddly sweet.

    • @tschorsch
      @tschorsch Місяць тому

      Drinking it is not a good idea. It has toxic effects and in high enough quantity it can kill you.

    • @markfergerson2145
      @markfergerson2145 Місяць тому +2

      Like a lot of things, it’s safe only in moderation (that’s a nuclear reactor joke).
      Just like water deuterium gets incorporated into the blood when you drink it and from there into all your cells. Chemical reactions that involve hydrogen run slower with deuterium and some reactions won’t run at all because its ability to form hydrogen bonds with other elements is weaker than hydrogen’s ability.
      That means various parts of your metabolic chemistry won’t run the same as normal. For instance, it kills cancer cells. However it also makes bone marrow stop doing bone marrow things like make red and white blood cells, and messes with the way the intestinal lining works causing diarrhea.
      In other words it is toxic. How toxic it is depends on how much you drink. About five grams of it is in your body at any given time- you’d have to replace about 20% of your body’s hydrogen with it before it killed you but you’d be miserably sick long before that.

  • @johnny26351
    @johnny26351 Місяць тому

    Can ships make their own antimatter
    Like voyager

  • @TimeDagar
    @TimeDagar Місяць тому

    Next explain warp plasma

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    SPACE!!!

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 Місяць тому +2

    the ST:D "writers" forgot all this stuff existed 😅

  • @patrickmccurry1563
    @patrickmccurry1563 Місяць тому

    You probably wouldn't want to create anti-hydrogen as it would have no charge and thus not be easily held electromagnetically. Of course being charged it would be hard to store as every particle would push against every other like charged particle. But star trek is awash with power, so they could hold loads of such "angry" antimatter.

  • @Hrafnskald
    @Hrafnskald Місяць тому

    Awesome :)

  • @charlottehammond8975
    @charlottehammond8975 Місяць тому +2

    your body makes deuterium when mitochondria do their thing. youd think theyd just get bacteria to make the stuff

    • @jacara1981
      @jacara1981 Місяць тому

      who says thats not how its done? We don't know how the refineries actually work.

  • @AC20sAkimbo
    @AC20sAkimbo Місяць тому

    The reason why the Excelsior class has the ugly bendy bus neck.

  • @brianstiles1701
    @brianstiles1701 Місяць тому

    Who else learned about Deuterium from the old GI Joe cartoon?

  • @grahamturner1290
    @grahamturner1290 Місяць тому +1

    🖖

  • @scottishadonis
    @scottishadonis Місяць тому

    Heavy water is deuterium.

  • @captindo
    @captindo Місяць тому

    Water.

  • @nomercyinc6783
    @nomercyinc6783 13 днів тому

    real world there is more oil left in the ground than has ever been harvested. people can claim whatever they want but the facts are not what people dictate.