I'm sorry but Tom Paris and Captain Janeway hyper evolving into land-fish and then mating with each other is the single greatest moment in television history. A plot so dumb, yet so majestic, that you can only stare in awe and wonder what in the hell the writers were smoking when they wrote that episode.
@@Boogerfartt Unclear as to what you are referring to. I thought it was about the most stupid episode of _Star Trek Voyager._ How many alternate "warp speed" technobabbles had they already tried? Slipstream, transwarp? Oh sure, let's go ∞ speed and see what happens, what you might expect of some cartoon or comic book that doesn't even try to keep the story sci-fi plausible. And while we are at it, let's offend all the religious people and pretend like evolution can be a thing. And now we hear of mad-scientists trying to play God and put nano-robots into people, supposedly to cure damage and heal people, even after how many claims that I hear of vaccines killing or harming people, and even on _Star Trek_ nano-bots or nannites were generally always bad, turned people into the Borg. It seems like _Star Trek_ warned against trans-humanism, at least at the time of the 1980s, it seemed to be potentially bad.
@@jackstraw522 Sometimes sci-fi just gets too ridiculous. Aren't they supposed to keep the story at least somewhat plausible? What about when Barkley somehow had implanted in his mind, alien technology that allowed some super-fast travel to the center of the galaxy. No nonsense "de-volving", but rather bending of space-time that may have seemed about to tear the spaceship apart, yet it did not. I hate it when evolutionists/atheists try to insert their false religion into my sci-fi. Preachy much?
Vulcan Science Academy: Why do you need another Warp Core? Humans: We're going to plug two of them together and see if we go twice as fast. VSA: The last time we gave you a warp core you threw it into a sun to see if the sun would go twice as fast. Humans: Hahaha yeah. Humans: It did though. VSA: IT EXPLODED Humans: It exploded twice as fast!
Hey, you can't argue with the results. Humas went from the NX-01 to the Soverign-Class in just a couple hundred years, Vulcans were like "WTF just happened"
@@andyb1653 Think of it from the perspective of Soval. He was *there* when Earth made their first experiemtns to go towards Warp 5. He was still there when they fought the Interstellar war against the Romulans. And that was just one Vulcan Lifetime.
was it called just “red matter” or was that also some weird omega type particle? i cant remember. would have been smart to link the two, maybe the red stuff is s stable isotope of omega.. still powerful but not on the whole galaxy annihilating/ subspace crushing type idk
Love how the Federation keeps accidentally making world-destroying superweapons. Nothing is scarier than a Starfleet ship that wants to get to the intergalactic Krispy Kreme before the hot light goes off.
Why do you think the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites just gave up there own empires to become subservient to the Humans? They saw what the humans were capable of when they kicked the Romulans arse all the way back to Romulus and decided it was best to not get in there way. The Federation is just a bunch of alien races trying to keep the Humans distracted from actually intentionally making super weapons.
4:47 "Paris's warp 10 project was shelved, due to the unavoidable mutative effects..." What are you talking about?? They developed a full cure for that! There was absolutely no reason they couldn't start ferrying people all the way home the very next day, provided the Doctor gives them their "Don't mutate" inoculation. The only reason it was shelved was because the shows writers had to hit the end-of-episode reset button.
All they had to close this plot hole was throw in a 3 or 4 red shirts that didn't survive the de-evolution procedure to make the casualties too high to risk it
That's the thing that everyone seems to gloss over with phasic cloaking. You can fly through anything, stars, planets, black holes - and never be harmed, or even seen. You could hide inside a planet, and your enemies would have to blow up the planet, or dig a hole half way through the planet just to get to you. It's more than just 'appearing out of nowhere'. It's immunity and invulnerability; it's the ultimate escape from any bad situation. It's cloaking a bomb, flying it past shields and armor and hull right into the engineering or command section of any ship, then decloak and detonate. One shot destruction of any ship - even a Borg ship. A well prepared Federation could easily tear up the treaty and have the Romulan empire on its knees in a matter of days.
The Enterprise used the tech temporarily and it worked to help them escape the asteroid they were trapped in, if memory serves me so technically it worked, the problem was the treaty violation.....DAMN!!
One technical problem the writers did not think about. You would have no navigation system. All information would phase threw you as well. The crew would be blind as the light would phase past your eyes. The sensors scans would be out of phase and you would get no feedback. Literally no information would be gained. You could phase but it would never be safe to phase back once you have moved.
@@lazymanpainting in the episode it didn't work like that. They could navigate and use sensors. In reality it probably would work like you said. Then again so would a regular cloaking device. We have to assume they had a way around that problem in both cases.
"... and I ended up stranded in the late 20th century. Have you ever been to that time frame?" "No." "Well, I don't recommend it. After three decades with those post-industrial barbarians, I had to go through extensive rehabilitation before I could return to duty. Avoid contact with Janeway. That's an order."
No way the slipstream drive gets shelved, it gets given right back to Starfleet HQ and given priority 1 development. Having your entire fleet able to be anywhere within your territory within a few hours would be immense.
@@TheRezro so a cop out of "we added this thing but its a bit too good so lets make a reason its not everywhere and move on" XD in the universe of ST thats a such a cop out lol.
I mean technically it obviously worked in the first place it just took a lot longer than expected and they just cheated a bit by handing them the cheat sheet.
@@TheAsvarduilProject I never understood the hate for voyager.. Yes it had its what the fucking fuck moments.. But it was till my favourite of the TNG era shows.
@@EvlEgle Voyager utterly wasted its premise. The original setup was brilliant. Ship stranded without Federation support, 70 years to go, and partially crewed by essentially terrorists. This should have shown how the Federation's ideals would be put to test. Moral dilemmas, and crew conflicts (by having Maqis in the crew you can circumvent the Rodenberry's rule without destroying his vision outright). But in the end, it boiled down to watered down TNG. Also, inconsistent characters, and playing fast and loose with continuity, like the episodes mentioned.
8:00 Who negotiates these treaties on the federation side? Either a total incompetent or a spy. Romulan: "peace if you dont make cloaking devices." Federation: "sure, so when are you gonna stop?" Romulan: "no, no. We can, you can't." Federation: "but what do we get in return." Romulan: "peace...and this romulan senator plushie set. Its a collectors item...and cute." Federation: "deal."
You could argue that the Federation is better of *without* cloaking devices. I mean, think about it. They're explorers and scientists. They're not conquerors like the Romulans, or even the Klingons. The ships are all big and bright and shiny, and even though they have a lot of weapons, they're not built for war. Would you put a stealth engine on Boaty McBoatface? So, with the prospect of peace with one of their oldest enemies on the table, the Federation gave up something that they'd only need if they weren't going to have peace.
wouldnt a cloaking system be of some use in scouting out pre-warp civilizations with less risk of violating the prime directive by initiating a premature first contact? you can still see a starship in orbit if you have a powerful enough telescope ya know as mentioned in that TNG episode where riker was given plastic surgery to go incognito in preparation for first contact, but ended up in a hospital and almost exposed, resulting in the kidnapping of i think either some leading scientist or leader, and it being decided that the world was not ready for first contact.
@@AtrociousAK47 The Federation has been shown to use camouflaged observation posts, like duck blinds, to watch pre-warp societies. But that's different. I think.
Origin of the technology is alien, a genius big-brain species. Federation acquired the tech from illicit scans of the hardware and illegally downloaded software. And Federation still doesn't understand how it works after much study and testing. Seems like the Federation is Pakled in this instance.
Starfleet logic: let's make a cloaking device that can pass through solid matter public knowledge. Also Starfleet logic: let's make a powerful molecule part of a secret directive? o.0
The logic is sound. The Omega Particle can literally create a space where Warp Travel is impossible. With said space being *permanent*. The dangers for that are immense, even if it's not directly killing anyone, as it renders space travel as the Federation knows it, as well as FTL communications, completely useless within that space. And if people were to weaponize it and use it, you might see access to Warp Speed rendered all but impossible. And even if it wasn't weaponized, the idea of such a powerful energy source would be attractive to many, even with the risks. Meanwhile, the cloaking device was not only a dud, but similar phenomena were already encountered by Starfleet, and likely other powers, before. The only thing that changed is that it's ship-sized, and even then, it probably can't pass through Deflector Shields, nor use any of its weapons either, and only works as camouflage that can pass through walls, so the destructive potential is honestly not all that big.
Why didnt they do that on the show? Works against those "Pay 5000€ now to unlock your computer because the FBI found child porn and locked it" viruses.
@@JaxMerrick I know. But as somebody who's done network administration and low-level tech support, it baffles me that people fall for these ransomware popups.
Can't remember the exact episode of TNG but there was an episode where a member world came up with a design for moving ships at warp speeds without the ship needing actual warp engines. It was meant for the ship to ride a wave of energy from planet to planet. the project fail when the wave destabilized, destroying the test ship, and increasing in magnitude intensity to the point where it would utterly devastate the receiving planet. Had it not been for the efforts of the Enterprise able to dissipate the wave, then an entire continent at least would have been devastated, if not the whole planet.
Putting a prototype AI in command of a weapon of mass destruction like a Constitution class starship is madness. All prototype AI should have the most exhaustive and lengthy shake downs before requiring the least bit of trust in them.
Wouldn't you consider Data a prototype AI? Was it "madness" to make him a command officer on the Federation's flagship? He goes on to become the Enterprise's captain for something like 14 years, although we're not sure whether that's canon.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Good point, yes Data is a prototype, but not the first of his kind thankfully. Passing Starfleet Academy with flying colors is a pretty thorough shakedown, wouldn't you say? He then faithfully served his duty in such a way that he climbed the ranks to Lieutenant Commander. This alone would be sufficient to trust him with your life for most people but when you consider his personality and motivations, he was a saint. It would have been madness however to find him, assemble him, then just make him third in command of the flagship (or any ship).
@@TheBntimmins That is also my understanding. The term "Trans Warp" always stood for the next generation of Warp drive before it became the new standard and the Warp scale was adapted to let the new full speed be the new Warp 9.9.
Trans Warp, @@MetalheadAndNerd, could be the next logical step over traditional Warp Drives due to the transformative properties of Warp 10. That Trans Warp conduits naturally provide a barrier to the transformative properties of Warp 10, that is. So that is why Voyager's crew and the Borg both could use Trans Warp conduits with impunity without ever suffering any ill effects of Warp 10. At least that is what I suspect anyways.
I am surprised the Federation didn’t resort to using the omega particles in the Dominion war when they thought they were losing. It is effectively scorched earth + a giant bomb. Perfect for attack and defense if you are desperate enough.
there are other planets in that area not involved in the war. it would be like destroying the entire country but also any of the smaller ones inside of it's borders.
Surely unleashing an omega explosion near the far side of the worm hole would be the sort of thing section 31 would think up! It would prevent the enemy fleet from quickly reaching the wormhole, assuming it didn’t just close the wormhole fully.
The Federation is still doing better than Ancients of the Stargate universe, on casualties. The Ancients seemed to have a flawed understanding of safety procedures.
To be fair, the Ancients also went full halo and wiped out all life in the galaxy on purpose with the dakara device too. Thus their accidents are still way less dangerous than something they did intentionally >
The Slipstream drive makes an appearance in Andromeda, where it is the primary type of FTL in that universe. Not Star Trek, but based on notes by Gene Roddenberry, so it could be considered a possible far future version of the ST universe.
Holy cow Andromeda, I haven't heard of that show in forever but I remember previews on TV back in the early 2000s. It just always looked like a train wreck and I knew to stay away. I feel like Kevin sorbo is uniquely qualified for the cheesiness of Hercules and that's about it so he just looked awful in a sci-fi show and really anything else.
Honestly, my one complaint about the Pegasus experiment and the reason why it failed is that it technically _didn't_ violate the treaty. The treaty specified _cloaking_ technology. The interphase "cloak" was a _phase shifting_ technology, with the ship and everything on-board becoming inert to ALL matter in the normal phase while the ship was out of phase, including photons. Photons aren't being redirected around the ship, they're outright passing through it. Along with everything else.
Technically yes. But! It could trigger war. Transparency at least on the border zone was one of reasons why Romulans didn't attempt to wipe Federation. Yes. The true reasons was that Romulans didn't have strength and were only pretending to be stronger then they were. But if they would detect this technology in use, they would consider it as casus beli anyway. It is why Picard openly told them about incident and apologized.
@@TheRezro I don't think the Romulans would have directly gone to war with the Federation even over that. They're not stupid, they know they wouldn't win a direct conflict. And they wouldn't be able to use the Klingons as a distraction at that point because they had lost any diplomatic relations they had with them after the aftermath of the Khitomer Massacre (Source: Yesterday's Enterprise).
Just watched TNG through for the first time. I would like to submit the warp carrier wave experiment, warp travel without an onboard warp engine. It increased in velocity, no deaths but did destroy the test craft and nearly wiped out a planet.
Something that has bothered me about *_"Timeless"_* since first seeing it: *Harry Kim* needs to sit in a shuttle-craft, and, with a *_hand-calculator,_* work-out the phase-variances for the Slipstream trip. What, there's no computer in the 24th century that could have handled that?
It would have taken them all of 2 hours to write and fully test the required software, and they were impatient. It is like that ridiculous snippet that annoyed me, where the holographic Doctor washes his hands. Whatever for? Can't he just re-materialize and he would be far cleaner than any washing procedure could produce? But got to dumb it down for all the dull humans in the audience who can hardly grasp _Star Trek_ anyway.
Yosef MacGruber why does the holographic doctor even have hands? Well, okay, that’s obvious, for the same reason it has an avatar at all; to give the meatbags something to talk to. The real question is why does it need them? If it was “fully integrated” into the medical bay systems, why couldn’t it use the forcefields to pick things up from anywhere in the room, or simply ‘think’ orders at the replicator to create new vials of anesthazine or whatever? Why did it need to read any of the diagnostic consoles, for that matter? Basically, no-one was thinking straight when the concept was first created. Also, it would have made it much more interesting when they did finally allow him “out” to the holodeck and/or the remote emitter since he’d have had to get used to actually walking across the room to pick stuff up and all that.
@@randombloke82 Leading to an interesting exchange between 'The Doctor' and _USS Prometheus_ 's EMH Mk-II: Mk-I: Stop breathing down my neck. MK-II: My breath is a simulation, Mk-I: So is my neck. Stop breathing down it!
@@randombloke82 If you wanted to stretch the trope of "holodeck malfunction" a bit, it would be reasonable to assume that the holographic system acts in an isolated mode, only having connections to the emitters and databanks required for creating interactive holograms, and nothing else. As a further example, even the Emergency Command Hologram experiment required the Command Hologram to issue orders either verbally or via physical interfaces. This would act as a barrier against unauthorized holograms wrecking critical systems, as well as any malfunction-caused cascade effects. One would hope the experiences aboard the Enterprise-D have taught Starfleet something by the time Voyager was commissioned.
There was that one failed experiment to let JJ Abrams direct Star Trek movies. I don't have the exact death tolls, but I still have horrifying flashbacks whenever I am reminded
Vulcans watching "Back To The Future": Interesting, and quite plausible, even. Humans: You do realize it's fiction, don't you? Vulcans: We approve of the authenticity depicted here. This "Doc Brown" is just like all Federation engineers, in our experience. It explains so much, especially human fascination with time travel.
Janeway should have been court martialed but instead she got promoted. Actually, if Starfleet always promotes their problematic Captains, it explains why half the Starfleet Admirals we meet are jerks doing shady things.
@@dojokonojo Lets be honest, if Ransom had got home without running in to Voyager he too would have been promoted. The PR disaster of clapping a Captain in irons after such an epic feet of survival would have made Genesis look like a cakewalk no matter what means said Captain used.
@@DarthAzabrush Yeah I don't think they'd be promoting Ransom while they are fighting those Aliens he was using to get home. Pretty sure they'd just swarm Earth.
What I like is that the M5 computer failed, but there is a successful successor in the ECH. The Emergency Command Hologram. At least one exists, we don't know if Starfleet adopted the idea after Voyager returned.
Worst thing is about THAT episode is that in the 'Voyager Rest' which happens at the end of every episode so they can move on and pretend it never happened... They found a cure for all those ill results so there was actually no reason they couldn't have used it toi get home or anywhere else and then just taken a booster shot.
The omega molecules fascinate me as it is unclear what actually stabilized them. My guess is a sort of Goldilocks effect with the molicules. Too few of the molicules and they dentinate too many they still won't properly stabilize get the right number of molicules and they form the lattice we saw in the Voyager episode. I think it is this way because the molicules stabilized as Seven of nine was destroying the molicules..
Plot Twist, the whole thing was just a Holodeck episode and none of it actually happened. The "Evolution" was purely due to the computer being like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO". This would be why Janeway and Paris were able to be brought back. They were only holographically transformed. And their spawn did not actually exist, so leaving them behind doesn't hurt as much. If only....
Even if you attribute their deaths to causes not directly related to the Genesis Project, Khan and any survivors about his ship were killed when he detonated the device (I am counting Spock's death as being indirectly related to the Genesis Project as radiation exposure killed him not the detonation of the Genesis device).
The Gagarin IV aggressive antibody experiment killed the crew of 26 on the U.S.S. Lantree after they stopped by the Darwin research station. The first officer's Thelusian flu triggered the antibody response from the children who had been modified there.
TNG episode "New Ground" had the Enterprise involved with a new warp wave experiment that resulted in the test ship exploding and the wave gaining strength as it was out of control.
Just a correction ... warp drive was invented before the Federation existed ... etc. So the Federation did not create Warp Drive ... UPDATE to clarify: The Federation made Warp drive ships, improved them and made them better ... but they did create the Warp drive eng. Illustrate I made many computers, I made cars, I made a lot of stuff in my lifetime but they were all created by somebody before I made it! Both in original series, TNG, and Enterprise confirm this. All timeline changes in the TV series and Movies did not change this fact. Timeline changes came after the fact ...
Yes, it existed before the Vulcan ship that detected Chochrane was using them. What was revised that the Alpha Centarians had nothing to do with inspiring Zefram Cochrane from creating a warp drive. In Gene Roddenberry canon a slower than light mission went to Alpha Centauri where a habited planet was discovered with humans. Evolving on a different planet Alpha Centarians have a slightly different arrangement of internal organs. One of the Earthling was communicating with an AC using mathematics. Some of it was way over his head but from he could understand that it may be possible to travel along the curvature of time. If such a thing can be done than faster then light travel can be done. The bottom of the report was signed Zefram Cochrane Chief Science Officer. The movie Star Trek: First Contact toss that out the window. Alpha Centarians was changed to experts in terraforming who had helped Earth repair the damages from the war.
@@zacharybyford8200 Threshold is hated for its insane handling of science. Infinite Speed is unobtainable. It would require infinite energy. Then there's the problem of an entire space nation putting their best available scientists at problems like this... and a shortorder cook, two terrorists and a barely out of the academy ensign solve the problem over coffee. The fact that transwarp experiemnts failed because they lacked a special form of dilithium crystals is usually also stated. The total ignorance the episode shows about evolution (we don't have an inert form to strife towards, and evolution is not happening in indiviidual people) The insanity about not using the drive because of mutation... that can be easily treated even at a very late stage OFF-SCREEN.
Pushing past the warp limit and being turned into salimanders and having the episode end on a joke about the Captian and the Pilot having salimander sex is not a good way to use a good concept@@zacharybyford8200
"When you have to resort to time travel to make a get a project work, you've goofed off somewhere." This is what I keep telling my team, time and time again, again, and again.
Admiral Pressman: So ensign, you have been selected to join me on this hazardous and vital science mission. Young ensign: This is such an honour sir, I promise to serve with valour and distinction. Admiral Pressman: Excellent, report to The Pegasus, Oberth Class. Young Ensign: Oberth class you say? You know actually, I think I'm busy that week.
I picture life on a Pegasus class starship is like being in the navy and assigned to a tiny ship that is always sent out into the sea to experiment with something they don't want to try on a larger and more expensive vessel yet... with more expendable crewmen. You know, the guys who are sweating when they are waiting for new orders to come in and then cheering when the orders come in to just scout out some area dangerously close to enemy territory... zero experiments involved... being happy to go to an area where bad guys are more likely to shoot at you because of no experiments on the ship. Let that sink in.
In a proposed Star Trek cartoon set 75 years after Next Gen, DS9 and Voy, it was to be called Star Trek: New Frontier. A series of omega bombs were exploded all but destroying warp travel in the federation. This is a federation and star fleet whose glory days are behind them after a second Romulon war, Vulcan succeeding from the federation and the Klingons empire being conquered by the romulons
I can only imagine Kirk telling his inner circle about it: “Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.” Spock: “Excuse me, Captain, I need to make a call... Tyler, we’ve got a problem.”
If I were Section 31, I'd be much more interested in the Genesis technology than I would Omega; imagine being able to create human life-supporting planets anywhere you needed them! That kind of tactical/strategic advantage would catch Section 31's attention; and it would be far easier to control than Omega. Just my 2c.
I have that book, it’s a good read. I like how it subtly implies that Admiral Cartwright from Star Trek IV and (more importantly) VI was part of Section 31.
@@artembentsionov "Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.” Spock: "So exactly what you tend to do with your disregard for the Prime Directive and multiple Time Travel violations." Kirk: "Yes but they're not me so it's completely different."
I think Omega should be on top! The potential harm is staggering. Because it has already affected travel in a whole galaxy, causing untold harm, it deserves #1.
Genesis needs to be much higher on the list, with the losses of the Grissom, Khan's 72, almost the entire project staff and various casualties on the Reliant and Enterprise (all in all 3 Starfleet vessels destroyed) to take into account.
That is known, the Reliant had 1 casualty, its captain. The rest are admittedly marooned by Khan, not harmed, just stranded. Also the genesis project didn't fail. The cave is proof that the project works, it just needs a stable base and not an exploded starship in order to work as intended. Genesis project shouldn't be on the list.
@@Burningrobes to quote the late John McLaughlin, "WRONG!" EVERYONE, except for Dr. Marcus and David on Regula 1 were slaughtered, there's no doubt that some of the crew resisted the attempt to strand them on Ceti Alpha V
The Genesis Project did technically fail. The failure wasn't because Khan detonated the Genesis device onboard the Reliant (causing a really big asplosion). The failure was seen in The Search for Spock. The reason given during the movie, for the environmental (and later planetary) instability was that David cut some corner and used an unstable proto-matter when building the Genesis device because the Federation wouldn't give them enough backing (read: funding) to procure the proper substance needed for the construction. It could be said that the Genesis device may have worked perfectly had the correct substance been used in its construction; but we'll never know as the project was effectively abandoned for being too easily used as an WMD.
How about poor Chekov, losing all of his stuff , clothes , ECT. when Reliant blew up ?. Later, Spock loses his belongings when the Enterprise blows up. I know it's not a Starfleet experiment, just a question.
1) make kirk an admiral 2) oberth class star ships 3) underage bridge ensigns played by wil wheaton 4) talaxian cooks on board of starships 5) provoke the borg 6) peace negotiations with the romulans 7) lets strand khan on ceti alpha v 8) lets introduce a rank above captain. im sure there will never be a vain/arrogant/blind/incompetent/corrupt commodore/admiral in starfleet
That one was a biggie. Because every time someone in Starfleet gets self-righteous about other civilizations doing "dangerous" experiments they need to be reminded of the time the Federation nearly broke *time itself* for the galaxy! Honestly, I think that Q criticizes humans so much because his official day job for the Continuum is snapping everything back into order whenever humanity screws up space and time.
Doctor Paul Mannheim was not undergoing sanctioned Federation Research, he was conducting personal research he believed in. Much like Dr. Noonian Soong in his Positronic Brain. Nor was Dr. Arik Soong who earlier modified Augment embroys left over from the Eugenics Wars to "futher" humankinds evolution.
“Hey, I’ve got this computer that can theoretically run an entire starship!” “I’m assuming you’ve never heard of Control, right?” “No, what’s that?” “Never mind...”
Control? What's that? Sounds like some kind of really dumb idea that a bunch of morons would make. Nah, you must be thinking of a different show than Star Trek?
@@angelangelis8362 Nope. It is the canon series Discovery. While it is not the same form of show that TOS, TNG, Voyager & DS9 were, it is still part of the ST universe, despite what some fans may think. Just because it was _different_ does not make it _bad._
Precisely. All of that was expunged from the record. Which explains why nobody ever thought of stopping Dicky Daystrom. Or Section 31 couldn't get to the M5 unit to sabotage it in time, unlike their successful efforts to throw a spanner in the works the first four times.
I think it has been confirmed that the Genesis device works fine. It was not the proto matter but the fact that a nebula was used and not an actual planitoid that it was built for that caused the instability.
The marshmallow dispenser uses omega particles for its operation. Sure it's all fun and games around a camp fire until one of those things destabilizes. Then the fun and games are over for light years in every direction🤫✌🖖👍
The list is good. I think it's not easy to put everything in a top 10 order. I would also mention the "Deadalus" Project of Emory Erickson, the Subquanten-Transporter. But it's definitely not ranked in Top 10. Also the Soliton Drive was not a succsess and they had luck that no one was killed.
Still the Slipstream Drive was perfected some time later after Voyager's return home, and was successfully tested on the USS Aventine, in command of Captain Ezri Dax on the Star Trek novels expanded universe.
I know that this was recorded before the ending of S2 of the Discovery but.... *MINOR SPOILER ALERT FOR DISCOVERY S2* I'd say that Control was the biggest failed experiment tbh. It cost Starfleet about 30 Section 31 ships and their complement (on an avg. of 80-100 crew members * 30 = almost 3000 dead) + the loss of vast number of information stored within Control + (to avoid spoilers) casualties later on when Control tried to prevent their escape + two admirals + much more (like the potential destruction of all known universe and more) We know Starfleet created Control. We know it was an experiment in which all Fleet admirals would feed information into the advanced A.I. to help them with decisionmaking. So yeah, I believe that Control did a number on the entire universe pretty much. P.S. yes I am aware that Control turned 30 Section 31 ships into crew-less drones, but I doubt that it found those ships just floating around, it probably did the same thing that it did to the crew of the Section 31 ship that "missed its check-in" when Spock and Michael went to investigate. So it's safe to assume that those crews got rekt. And yes I'm aware that we don't know much about how Control gained self-consciousness, maybe S3 will give us more insight, but based on the knowledge we have after S2, so far it's still unclear how this came to be, thus we can assume that it evolved.
In that episode with the Traveller, you could see Wesley look with wonder and curiosity. But after that he just went teenage angst and was lost. Dumb plotting for that character
GeoStreber I thought that from the very first time they showed him! He was nothing but a pain in the kiester from the get go! At last, someone who thought like me! This proves I'm not crazy!!! Doesn't it?
MoonLghtKnght The Red Matter didn’t destroy any timelines, it transported Spock and the Narada to a different one. The Prime Timeline still exists and continues undisturbed, as evidenced by the fact that this event is frequently referenced in STO, and even the new Picard series takes place after it. Besides, I doubt it created the Kelvin timeline. There are too many differences in the continuity and aesthetic to say that the changes started with the Narada’s arrival, and I’d place the point of divergence somewhere much earlier.
@@a.morphous66 True, it didn't DESTROY the timeline. However, that's what the producers were trying to do by making these movies. "Forget everything you know about the characters and universe you loved, now we are going to give you ACTION and LENS FLARE GALORE" "Oh, you didn't like that? Ok, how about hairless Klingons?" "No? Ok, here's old Picard and we'll even give you Data back!" "Whew, I think we dodged a bullet there fellas."
@@a.morphous66 WOuldn't the event have caused the Kelvin timeline to split? after all there would be one in witch everything was normal and another one in which spock and dummy arrived in and caused all sorts of mess
I really think Omega should be higher on the list due to it's potential to basically destroy the very way of life of nearly EVERY space faring race. I mean star trek isn't very good at showing it very often but SPACE IS BIG!!!! The Lantaru incident created an area of 7 light years that couldn't be traveled by warp. Due to time dilation effects of going close to the speed of light, it's impractical for a ship to travel more than rough 1/4 the speed of light at impulse (any faster and you start aging more slowly than the rest of the galaxy and traveling form one point to another becomes impractical) which means that it would take 28 years to cross that area of space, a star ship traveling at warp 9 would take about 1.5 days to cross that area of space, even traveling at warp 5 it would only take about 12 days. Now imagine that you live on a planet in the center. it's 3.5 light years to the edge of the damaged subspace area, which means that even if you managed to send messages at roughly the speed of light it would take 3.5 years to reach the edge, and traveling at 1/4 the speed of light would take you 14 years to reach the edge of the damaged section. The planet would be effectively cut off from all contact and interstellar trade. When you are talking about a society that is build on scale of the federation and surrounding powers. ANYTHING that could even potentially take away your ability to travel faster than the speed of light AUTOMATICALLY get propelled to the top of the list of most dangerous experiments. Voyager has some bad episodes but "Omega" did a great job of making it clear JUST how dangerous Omega particles are and how dangerous the federation considered them to be and rightly so.
Yes, in some ways the Omega particle should be higher. Even though it (to the best of our knowledge) didn't produce the highest body count of items on this list, it did have the farthest-reaching consequences, since the item itself not only can have devastating effects, but the Omega Directive (the rule put in place to handle any future contact with it; no other item on the list caused the creation of any sort of rule to address future contacts with said item) supersedes virtually every other rule and law on the Federation's books, even the Prime Directive itself.
14 years yes, but if you pushed your sub light to 0.999 c, you would only experience a few hours at most. So I would build some large ships and move my entire civilization out. Anywhere would be better than stuck. Find a nice abandoned star system to colonize. Something like that.
@@anthonylosego it's certainly possible but there is the issue of time dilation. When not using Warp the closer and closer you get to the speed of light the more time dilation you experience. Basically the whole ages at a different rate than you so 3.5 years later you finally get out of the expanse but there a host of other issue you run into. That is why star fleet ships are limited to 1/4 the speed of light at impulse.
The thing about Threshold is that they could have made it home right there. Sure, Paris was mutated as was Janeway but they were both fixed. Just jump to Earth and do the same thing to fix everyone else.
*☼ **9:30** thats the Philadelphia experiment/project rainbow to drop off traditional radar!* i only just realized. tho they all likely have some irl parallel hey.
The Excelsiors drive probably succeeded as the Warp scale was completely changed in TNG which is probably due to the Transwarp drive. So it probably just took a while to be refined.
It's generally considered canon that (Excelsior) Transwarp didn't work on a large scale. It was supposed to be a whole new form of FTL. The recalibrated Warp Drive of TNG is simply an evolution, for example 1701-D's warp field is naturally asymmetric and unbalanced as part of it's daily functioning. (Excelsior) Transwarp had been tested on a very small scale with it's special warp field generated from outside the field itself, and iirc the failure was that the field would instantly collapse when generated from inside the field. There was technobabble involving subspace and quantum crap iirc. Who knows maybe it was a first attempt at quantum slipstream drive they just didn't realize it? It doesn't help that 'transwarp' later becomes a blanket term for 'Things that exceed warp'.
@@copperhamster only failed the public test because......... Scotty Sabotaged it. Many, Many Episodes used Transwarp as a reason for things to go wrong. Good times. Lazy writing.
@@justinthompson6364 The Soliton Wave Generator - meant to propel ships without warp drive at warp speeds (imagine a moving walkway from an airport for starships). Of course we can fire this thing at an inhabited planet - nothing will go wrong. It went wrong and the Enterprise-D had to risk itself to dispers the wave before it killed a colony. No mention of ending the project.
@@Tezunegari Given that it had the potential for destruction but didn't actually kill anyone, it would occupy the same space as the Genesis torpedo... but that was the bottom spot, and the Genesis torpedo probably got that spot because of the attention it got in-universe.
It doesn't seem that Control was in an experimental phase, having already been proliferated across all of Section 31's fleet and even being used by Starfleet Command.
From what I gather control as it was originally implemented was not a true AI and didn’t its self fail so much as get co opted by the future AI that was looking to ensure its creation.
Though not an experiment. It was a proposal to implement a threat management A.I. That did one kill alot ... a whole space station and several starships full of crew. (basically all of section 31's starships). It even wiped out all sentient life when it succeeded acquiring its sentience. The Borg could only wish they had that kind of A.I.
I would say the manipulation of the tribbles into the scourge they are now was done on a star fleet science ship by federation personnel a far worse disaster than most of the examples presented.
regarding # 6........you forgot the crews of a small freighter, a federation science vessel, the crew and compliment (less 1) of the klingon bird of prey, and lest we forget, Dr. david markus.
approximately 32-34 (we are unsure on the exact number due to the time the managed to escape voyager) in total it would've taken 84 life forms for them to finish getting home.
It occurs to me that the Omega molecule in still shots strongly resembles the Fesarius-class First Federation starship encountered by the original enterprise in TOS
Um ... Star Trek... control panels are full of explodium and rocks ... "manual overrides" are operated through glossy computer touchscreens ... Delta Flyer uses the latest in retro-future knobs and levers. The only on/off switch in the whole series seems to be the one built into Data's armpit.
You might watch to watch the episode with the M5 again. The body count was much higher. All four "attacking" starships were beat up pretty badly and each of them had casualties. I'm thinking more like 800 total dead and wounded.
@@JB-ym4up I thought only one ship was rendered lifeless. Two were trashed and the fourth was still good. I don't have time to re-watch the episode right now but memory alpha only states that the Excalibur was "crippeled" and everyone was killed and the other three were damaged and sustained losses. If anyone has the time to come up with an exact number, I'll take 650 dead and another 300 wounded and I'm sure there is a dead Captain or two in there also.
@@tomb7088 you're probably correct it's been ages since I've watched. To be sure it was a huge disaster for starfleet in both lives lost and the crippling of 1/3 of their constitution class ships.
Methinks you should reconsider referring to all personnel on board a starship as "officers". I can remember at least once hearing crew members referred to as Petty Officers which would be non-commissioned enlisted personnel and not commissioned officers.
I've been re-watching tng and there are multiple references to protomatter. Either the UFP legalized it's use some time after Wrath of Khan or the writers forgot it was banned.
Except that Starfleet didn’t construct or design Data or Lore; Dr. Noonian Soong did, and he was just a private citizen, not a member of Starfleet, nor the Government of the UFP. And I would hardly call Data a failure; Lore, on the other hand, is a different matter.
@@nathanrcoe1132 For all intents and purposes, Lore was a success, and a failure at the same time. Success, because he had all the traits of a Human. Failure, because he had all the traits of a Human.
The phase-shifting cloak was NOT a failure. It worked, except Picard on his high horse put the treaty first even though the Romulans keep looking for a fight… 🙄
IKR military doesnt out its own top secret programs that would be treason? Picard should have been courtmartialed for leaking classified intelligence op
@@lightrayfused544 I would think that something phasing back to normal while inside a solid object (like an asteroid) would have a "somewhat" more energetic result than simply appearing halfway inside said asteroid, like maybe huge explosion as hundreds or thousands of tons of mass attempts to occupy the same space as the other matter?
@@markwilliams-ko5zq Not necessarily: depends on how phasing works. In essence there is more than sufficient space between atoms to have another bunch of atoms phased into it. It's is not a fissile material: where basically the neutron flux can become so dense that the reaction is self-sustaining or unstable, and extremely dense materials do exist in nature.
There was the Soliton Wave project in ST:TNG episode New Ground. Achieving Warp speed without the use of a Warp Drive was half way to a success but eventually failed at the end when they lost control and unable to disperse the wave.
That was a failure of command by one William T Riker the supposed best pilot on the ship who decided that ship counsellor with no prior piloting experience was the right person to pilot in an emergency when he himself really had nothing else to do at that point.
Ah... The Omega Protocol. And when they found a species that was able to use it and stabilize it they stole Omega Particles and jettisoned them. The Federation Ladies and Gentleman.
I don't know...I mean star trek isn't very good at showing it very often but SPACE IS BIG!!!! The Lantaru incident created an area of 7 light years that couldn't be traveled by warp. Due to time dilation effects of going close to the speed of light in normal space, it's impractical for a ship to travel more than roughly 1/4 the speed of light at impulse (any faster and you start aging more slowly than the rest of the galaxy and traveling form one point to another becomes impractical) which means that it would take 28 years to cross that area of space without warp, a star ship traveling at warp 9 would take about 1.5 days to cross that area of space, even traveling at warp 5 it would only take about 12 days. Now imagine that you live on a planet in the center. it's 3.5 light years to the edge of the damaged subspace area, which means that even if you managed to send messages at roughly the speed of light it would take 3.5 years to reach the edge which means that even communicating with the outside 7 years to send a message and get a response(3.5 out and 3.5 back), and traveling at 1/4 the speed of light would take you 14 years to reach the edge of the damaged section. The planet would be effectively cut off from all contact and interstellar trade. Now lets say that there existed a planet between earth and Vulcan that was pre-warp so the federation didn't interfere and they created and controlled Omega particles, a single particle caused the 7 light year damage to subpace in Lantaru Station explosion. A society that can control them probably has more than one so the damage would be far larger but lets say there was an accident and a single particle detonated between earth and Vulcan. Now you have roughly a sphere of space directly between Earth and Vulcan that you can't warp through so you have to go around. the circumference of this sphere would be about 22 light years so in order to go around you have to travel half that so 11 light years to go around an area that was only 7 light years before when you go through it. So lets say your traveling at warp 5 it takes you 12 days to cross the area of space, now suddenly that section is 11 light years long instead of 7 and it takes you 18 days adding 5 extra days to your journey. Now lets say they had more than 1 particle and the damage is 50 light years across instead of 7, traveling at warp 5 the area take ~85 days to go through, but when you have to go around you now have to travel 78.5 light years and it takes 134 days adding an extra 55 days to your journey. Now lets say that the damage was large enough that a nearby federation world was caught in the explosion, even if they survived they would now be cut off from the rest of the galaxy, with all communication and travel times to and from the plant now being measured in YEARS instead of days or weeks. When you are talking about a society that is built on the scale of the federation and surrounding powers. ANYTHING that could even potentially take away your ability to travel faster than the speed of light is a MASSIVE danger to you and everyone else. Voyager has some bad episodes but "Omega" did a great job of making it clear JUST how dangerous Omega particles are and how dangerous the federation considered them to be and rightly so. In my opinion the suspension of the Prime directive is justified in the case of Omega.
It's due to the insane risks involved. Accidents happen, and if a civilization mass adopted Omega particle power all it would take to blast subspace for possibly thousands of light years around (assuming the effect is proportional to the number of particles involved) is a single containment breach. A single natural disaster, equipment malfunction or act of war or sabotage and you can write off a large chunk of the galaxy from the perspective of a warp capable civilization forever. The civilization potentially blowing up it's own homeworld and rendering themselves extinct is not even the primary concern. While extreme that's within their "right" to develop naturally on their own. The issue is the potential massive impact on all other surrounding civilizations.
Actually no, the reason they detected it was precisely due to the species not being able to stabilize it. That scene where Omega stabilize (with more advance technology from voyager) for an instant never did implied it can be keep stabilized. The species was pre-warp so they never could have understood the risk.
I'm sorry but Tom Paris and Captain Janeway hyper evolving into land-fish and then mating with each other is the single greatest moment in television history. A plot so dumb, yet so majestic, that you can only stare in awe and wonder what in the hell the writers were smoking when they wrote that episode.
Now we know why she turned down Q's come-on - she wanted to spawn with Paris.
@@yosefmacgruber1920 get a load of this guy. Yeesh.
@@Boogerfartt
Unclear as to what you are referring to.
I thought it was about the most stupid episode of _Star Trek Voyager._ How many alternate "warp speed" technobabbles had they already tried? Slipstream, transwarp? Oh sure, let's go ∞ speed and see what happens, what you might expect of some cartoon or comic book that doesn't even try to keep the story sci-fi plausible. And while we are at it, let's offend all the religious people and pretend like evolution can be a thing.
And now we hear of mad-scientists trying to play God and put nano-robots into people, supposedly to cure damage and heal people, even after how many claims that I hear of vaccines killing or harming people, and even on _Star Trek_ nano-bots or nannites were generally always bad, turned people into the Borg. It seems like _Star Trek_ warned against trans-humanism, at least at the time of the 1980s, it seemed to be potentially bad.
Stupidest part is, couldn’t they just use it to get home knowing they could fully reverse the effects
@@jackstraw522
Sometimes sci-fi just gets too ridiculous. Aren't they supposed to keep the story at least somewhat plausible? What about when Barkley somehow had implanted in his mind, alien technology that allowed some super-fast travel to the center of the galaxy. No nonsense "de-volving", but rather bending of space-time that may have seemed about to tear the spaceship apart, yet it did not.
I hate it when evolutionists/atheists try to insert their false religion into my sci-fi. Preachy much?
Vulcan Science Academy: Why do you need another Warp Core?
Humans: We're going to plug two of them together and see if we go twice as fast.
VSA: The last time we gave you a warp core you threw it into a sun to see if the sun would go twice as fast.
Humans: Hahaha yeah.
Humans: It did though.
VSA: IT EXPLODED
Humans: It exploded twice as fast!
The United Federation of "Hold My Beer, I Got This"
Other species see Federation as the Doc Browns of the universe.
@@jetfire851 Ok Skippy. "Striving for compatence."
Hey, you can't argue with the results. Humas went from the NX-01 to the Soverign-Class in just a couple hundred years, Vulcans were like "WTF just happened"
@@andyb1653 Think of it from the perspective of Soval.
He was *there* when Earth made their first experiemtns to go towards Warp 5. He was still there when they fought the Interstellar war against the Romulans. And that was just one Vulcan Lifetime.
Spock’s supernova-stopping red stuff was a pretty huge disaster. Blew up two planets, split the timeline, then blew up another planet!
it only did blew up one. the other two were destroyed by the thing it was supposed to destroy but was late to the party for.
I don't remember it ever being explicitly mentioned as being funded by the federation.
@@jacobe2995 it was a co-Federation/Romulan task force.
It also destroyed Nero's ship
was it called just “red matter” or was that also some weird omega type particle? i cant remember. would have been smart to link the two, maybe the red stuff is s stable isotope of omega.. still powerful but not on the whole galaxy annihilating/ subspace crushing type idk
Love how the Federation keeps accidentally making world-destroying superweapons. Nothing is scarier than a Starfleet ship that wants to get to the intergalactic Krispy Kreme before the hot light goes off.
Why do you think the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites just gave up there own empires to become subservient to the Humans? They saw what the humans were capable of when they kicked the Romulans arse all the way back to Romulus and decided it was best to not get in there way. The Federation is just a bunch of alien races trying to keep the Humans distracted from actually intentionally making super weapons.
You do know that you have a bestseller in that last line, right?
Lmaoo
Greatest comment
Hubert Farnsworth would disagree
Somebody call Cave Johnson because we are throwing science at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Too bad I can not double like this comment.
We do what we must, because we can.
4:47 "Paris's warp 10 project was shelved, due to the unavoidable mutative effects..."
What are you talking about?? They developed a full cure for that! There was absolutely no reason they couldn't start ferrying people all the way home the very next day, provided the Doctor gives them their "Don't mutate" inoculation. The only reason it was shelved was because the shows writers had to hit the end-of-episode reset button.
And thus the largest plot hole of Voyager.
That injection was probably partially comprised of chronitons
All they had to close this plot hole was throw in a 3 or 4 red shirts that didn't survive the de-evolution procedure to make the casualties too high to risk it
@@JaredM990 Just goes to show how far Janeway had to go to get laid. Mutate into a land fish just to get some.
@@uni4rm Lmao no Chacoktay(not spelled right) was super thirsty for the entire series. He absolutely would've hit it Janeway just wasn't into him.
That's the thing that everyone seems to gloss over with phasic cloaking. You can fly through anything, stars, planets, black holes - and never be harmed, or even seen. You could hide inside a planet, and your enemies would have to blow up the planet, or dig a hole half way through the planet just to get to you. It's more than just 'appearing out of nowhere'. It's immunity and invulnerability; it's the ultimate escape from any bad situation. It's cloaking a bomb, flying it past shields and armor and hull right into the engineering or command section of any ship, then decloak and detonate. One shot destruction of any ship - even a Borg ship. A well prepared Federation could easily tear up the treaty and have the Romulan empire on its knees in a matter of days.
And the best part is your not technically cloaked as someone in phase with you can see you fine. Way to end run the treaty of Algernon.
The Enterprise used the tech temporarily and it worked to help them escape the asteroid they were trapped in, if memory serves me so technically it worked, the problem was the treaty violation.....DAMN!!
One technical problem the writers did not think about. You would have no navigation system. All information would phase threw you as well. The crew would be blind as the light would phase past your eyes. The sensors scans would be out of phase and you would get no feedback. Literally no information would be gained. You could phase but it would never be safe to phase back once you have moved.
@@lazymanpainting in the episode it didn't work like that. They could navigate and use sensors. In reality it probably would work like you said. Then again so would a regular cloaking device. We have to assume they had a way around that problem in both cases.
Yep, they could just phase-cloak a large piece of anti-matter and fly it into a Borg cube.
"... and I ended up stranded in the late 20th century. Have you ever been to that time frame?"
"No."
"Well, I don't recommend it. After three decades with those post-industrial barbarians, I had to go through extensive rehabilitation before I could return to duty. Avoid contact with Janeway. That's an order."
No way the slipstream drive gets shelved, it gets given right back to Starfleet HQ and given priority 1 development.
Having your entire fleet able to be anywhere within your territory within a few hours would be immense.
I think the reason was lack of rare mineral. My guess is that its use was limited for extreme special cases.
@@TheRezro so a cop out of "we added this thing but its a bit too good so lets make a reason its not everywhere and move on" XD in the universe of ST thats a such a cop out lol.
@@nyechapple5332 Even the universe of ST touches on reality occasionally.
IIRC the technology bore similarities to the Borg trans-warp network. So it would probably be folded into whatever project is researching that.
"When you have to resort to time travel to get a project to work, you goofed up somewhere!" Ain't that the truth! XD
V@PYD this quote basically holds true to all sci fi and fantasy. And superhero movies too
well except your project was time travel, then you succeeded :P
@@nonchip true dat lol
We get that at work, they don't understand we can't do it yet lol!
I mean technically it obviously worked in the first place it just took a lot longer than expected and they just cheated a bit by handing them the cheat sheet.
"Oh Voyager, what did you do this time?"
I think that could easily have been the tagline for the whole damned show.
The same thing they do EVERY time, Ingame.... TRY TO GET BACK TO THE WORLD!
@@saberiandream316 That is the primary tagline for Voyager, yes.
@@TheAsvarduilProject I never understood the hate for voyager..
Yes it had its what the fucking fuck moments.. But it was till my favourite of the TNG era shows.
Voyager way above other Star Trek
@@EvlEgle Voyager utterly wasted its premise. The original setup was brilliant. Ship stranded without Federation support, 70 years to go, and partially crewed by essentially terrorists. This should have shown how the Federation's ideals would be put to test. Moral dilemmas, and crew conflicts (by having Maqis in the crew you can circumvent the Rodenberry's rule without destroying his vision outright). But in the end, it boiled down to watered down TNG.
Also, inconsistent characters, and playing fast and loose with continuity, like the episodes mentioned.
To this day Klingons sing cautionary songs about the sheer devastation caused by the automated marshmellow dispenser.
I hope the next trek movie kills a god with the marshmallow dispenser.
@@D00m0g "Excuse me. Why does God need a marshmellow dispenser?"
@@Lukos0036 Because the Picards demand a sacrifice.
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Automatic dispenser + single unaccounted for Tribble= catastrophe.
*certifiably in-game* " that episode"
*Everybody else* " nods knowingly"
my little baby trek cousin "what episode?"
8:00
Who negotiates these treaties on the federation side? Either a total incompetent or a spy.
Romulan: "peace if you dont make cloaking devices."
Federation: "sure, so when are you gonna stop?"
Romulan: "no, no. We can, you can't."
Federation: "but what do we get in return."
Romulan: "peace...and this romulan senator plushie set. Its a collectors item...and cute."
Federation: "deal."
It was limited edition tho
You could argue that the Federation is better of *without* cloaking devices. I mean, think about it. They're explorers and scientists. They're not conquerors like the Romulans, or even the Klingons. The ships are all big and bright and shiny, and even though they have a lot of weapons, they're not built for war. Would you put a stealth engine on Boaty McBoatface? So, with the prospect of peace with one of their oldest enemies on the table, the Federation gave up something that they'd only need if they weren't going to have peace.
@@PaperbackWizard I personally would love a stealth device on my Boaty McBoatface. >.
wouldnt a cloaking system be of some use in scouting out pre-warp civilizations with less risk of violating the prime directive by initiating a premature first contact? you can still see a starship in orbit if you have a powerful enough telescope ya know as mentioned in that TNG episode where riker was given plastic surgery to go incognito in preparation for first contact, but ended up in a hospital and almost exposed, resulting in the kidnapping of i think either some leading scientist or leader, and it being decided that the world was not ready for first contact.
@@AtrociousAK47 The Federation has been shown to use camouflaged observation posts, like duck blinds, to watch pre-warp societies. But that's different.
I think.
"I have no idea what that means, but it makes them go." Did you just become a Pakled?!
Origin of the technology is alien, a genius big-brain species. Federation acquired the tech from illicit scans of the hardware and illegally downloaded software. And Federation still doesn't understand how it works after much study and testing.
Seems like the Federation is Pakled in this instance.
i came here to make that exact same comment. but i see i was 6 months too late.
well played sir.
you earned yet another like
Ah-hah
I like this comment. It is smart. I like comments that are smart.
@@confuseatronica Makes me feel happy. I like it too.
Starfleet logic: let's make a cloaking device that can pass through solid matter public knowledge. Also Starfleet logic: let's make a powerful molecule part of a secret directive? o.0
The logic is sound. The Omega Particle can literally create a space where Warp Travel is impossible. With said space being *permanent*. The dangers for that are immense, even if it's not directly killing anyone, as it renders space travel as the Federation knows it, as well as FTL communications, completely useless within that space. And if people were to weaponize it and use it, you might see access to Warp Speed rendered all but impossible. And even if it wasn't weaponized, the idea of such a powerful energy source would be attractive to many, even with the risks.
Meanwhile, the cloaking device was not only a dud, but similar phenomena were already encountered by Starfleet, and likely other powers, before. The only thing that changed is that it's ship-sized, and even then, it probably can't pass through Deflector Shields, nor use any of its weapons either, and only works as camouflage that can pass through walls, so the destructive potential is honestly not all that big.
The 2260’s seemed like a boon year for mad scientist.
Not mad,but committed to bettering humankind.
I think you meant a BOOM year.
@@hudsonball4702 Either will work.
Soong is Born in 2269, coincidence? I do not think so
The 60's are a wild time no matter the century.
ENACT OMEGA PROTOCOL
Look, not now. Task Manager... end process.
Why didnt they do that on the show? Works against those "Pay 5000€ now to unlock your computer because the FBI found child porn and locked it" viruses.
@@builder396 Why is the FBI demanding a payment in Euros?
@@BlackEpyon That's part of the joke.
@@JaxMerrick I know. But as somebody who's done network administration and low-level tech support, it baffles me that people fall for these ransomware popups.
Activate the Omega 13 !
“But it makes them go”
Pakled appears on the ship.
How all these ships move slow in games, considering full impulse is quarter of light speed, which is earth moon distance in 5 seconds...
Poor Dr Daystrom. The boy genius driven mad by trying to live up to the “what have you done for me lately” crowd.
It was also because the stole his inventions.
i had just watched this episode a few days ago... Kirk was PISSED!!!!
@@SovereignStatesman He hated the fact that their built on his work. That's what progress IS. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
Can't remember the exact episode of TNG but there was an episode where a member world came up with a design for moving ships at warp speeds without the ship needing actual warp engines. It was meant for the ship to ride a wave of energy from planet to planet. the project fail when the wave destabilized, destroying the test ship, and increasing in magnitude intensity to the point where it would utterly devastate the receiving planet. Had it not been for the efforts of the Enterprise able to dissipate the wave, then an entire continent at least would have been devastated, if not the whole planet.
I was going to bring that up you beat me to it. It was called a Soliton Wave. It was from the episode 'New Ground'.
Putting a prototype AI in command of a weapon of mass destruction like a Constitution class starship is madness. All prototype AI should have the most exhaustive and lengthy shake downs before requiring the least bit of trust in them.
And even when you do, you should bne very careful so you aren't taken by surprise.
Command.
Wouldn't you consider Data a prototype AI? Was it "madness" to make him a command officer on the Federation's flagship? He goes on to become the Enterprise's captain for something like 14 years, although we're not sure whether that's canon.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace
Yes, and yes.
Just because something turns out alright doesn't make the idea itself good.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Good point, yes Data is a prototype, but not the first of his kind thankfully. Passing Starfleet Academy with flying colors is a pretty thorough shakedown, wouldn't you say? He then faithfully served his duty in such a way that he climbed the ranks to Lieutenant Commander. This alone would be sufficient to trust him with your life for most people but when you consider his personality and motivations, he was a saint. It would have been madness however to find him, assemble him, then just make him third in command of the flagship (or any ship).
Exceslier transwarp failed because Scotty took out a few components from it.
Scotty took out the "Spock Plugs"...
...
I'll just get my spacesuit and see myself out this convenient airlock over here...
Didn't it continue in some form to the TNG warp drive?
@@TheBntimmins That is also my understanding. The term "Trans Warp" always stood for the next generation of Warp drive before it became the new standard and the Warp scale was adapted to let the new full speed be the new Warp 9.9.
Trans Warp, @@MetalheadAndNerd, could be the next logical step over traditional Warp Drives due to the transformative properties of Warp 10. That Trans Warp conduits naturally provide a barrier to the transformative properties of Warp 10, that is. So that is why Voyager's crew and the Borg both could use Trans Warp conduits with impunity without ever suffering any ill effects of Warp 10. At least that is what I suspect anyways.
And best of all you wouldn't need the Reaper's Mass Effect technologies from the Mass Effect trilogy, @@saberiandream316.
I am surprised the Federation didn’t resort to using the omega particles in the Dominion war when they thought they were losing. It is effectively scorched earth + a giant bomb. Perfect for attack and defense if you are desperate enough.
It would be like creating an area of niclear fallout where nobody can pass
Federation can't create it. They did work on it, but after disaster. Whole research was wiped.
there are other planets in that area not involved in the war. it would be like destroying the entire country but also any of the smaller ones inside of it's borders.
Surely unleashing an omega explosion near the far side of the worm hole would be the sort of thing section 31 would think up! It would prevent the enemy fleet from quickly reaching the wormhole, assuming it didn’t just close the wormhole fully.
The Federation is still doing better than Ancients of the Stargate universe, on casualties. The Ancients seemed to have a flawed understanding of safety procedures.
To be fair, the Ancients also went full halo and wiped out all life in the galaxy on purpose with the dakara device too. Thus their accidents are still way less dangerous than something they did intentionally >
@@snowfie4836 you never go full halo!
And lets not forget that the twelve colonies of Cobol were wiped out by a single software upgrade. (This is why I didn't upgrade to Windows 10)
.....it was written in the 60s though when writers and people in general didn't fear AI as we rightfully do now....it was just a cool new thing.
Rs Rt thank you for that. With your sacrifice, I can safely keep using my windows 10 machine.
The Slipstream drive makes an appearance in Andromeda, where it is the primary type of FTL in that universe. Not Star Trek, but based on notes by Gene Roddenberry, so it could be considered a possible far future version of the ST universe.
Please don't mention Andromeda, once Sorbo became involved in the production, it died a slow death.
Holy cow Andromeda, I haven't heard of that show in forever but I remember previews on TV back in the early 2000s. It just always looked like a train wreck and I knew to stay away. I feel like Kevin sorbo is uniquely qualified for the cheesiness of Hercules and that's about it so he just looked awful in a sci-fi show and really anything else.
"Greetings, doctor Daystrom. How about a nice game of chess?"
Nah M5, today we're playing Battleship.
would you rather play a game of TicTacToe
Shall we play a game? :)
Let's play, Global Thermonuclear War.
M5 meet Skynet, Skynet meet Joshua, Joshua meet Colossus.
Honestly, my one complaint about the Pegasus experiment and the reason why it failed is that it technically _didn't_ violate the treaty. The treaty specified _cloaking_ technology. The interphase "cloak" was a _phase shifting_ technology, with the ship and everything on-board becoming inert to ALL matter in the normal phase while the ship was out of phase, including photons. Photons aren't being redirected around the ship, they're outright passing through it. Along with everything else.
Technically yes. But! It could trigger war. Transparency at least on the border zone was one of reasons why Romulans didn't attempt to wipe Federation. Yes. The true reasons was that Romulans didn't have strength and were only pretending to be stronger then they were. But if they would detect this technology in use, they would consider it as casus beli anyway. It is why Picard openly told them about incident and apologized.
@@TheRezro
I don't think the Romulans would have directly gone to war with the Federation even over that. They're not stupid, they know they wouldn't win a direct conflict. And they wouldn't be able to use the Klingons as a distraction at that point because they had lost any diplomatic relations they had with them after the aftermath of the Khitomer Massacre (Source: Yesterday's Enterprise).
Just watched TNG through for the first time. I would like to submit the warp carrier wave experiment, warp travel without an onboard warp engine. It increased in velocity, no deaths but did destroy the test craft and nearly wiped out a planet.
It’s called a soliton wave silly. First time? TNG has been out since late 80’s.
@@1stcSOLDIER maybe pakorm wasn't born back then? There's a lot of telly to catch up on for these here young whipper snappers
Something that has bothered me about *_"Timeless"_* since first seeing it:
*Harry Kim* needs to sit in a shuttle-craft, and, with a *_hand-calculator,_* work-out the phase-variances for the Slipstream trip. What, there's no computer in the 24th century that could have handled that?
They did, but the computers were using an abacus.
It would have taken them all of 2 hours to write and fully test the required software, and they were impatient.
It is like that ridiculous snippet that annoyed me, where the holographic Doctor washes his hands. Whatever for? Can't he just re-materialize and he would be far cleaner than any washing procedure could produce? But got to dumb it down for all the dull humans in the audience who can hardly grasp _Star Trek_ anyway.
Yosef MacGruber why does the holographic doctor even have hands?
Well, okay, that’s obvious, for the same reason it has an avatar at all; to give the meatbags something to talk to.
The real question is why does it need them? If it was “fully integrated” into the medical bay systems, why couldn’t it use the forcefields to pick things up from anywhere in the room, or simply ‘think’ orders at the replicator to create new vials of anesthazine or whatever? Why did it need to read any of the diagnostic consoles, for that matter?
Basically, no-one was thinking straight when the concept was first created.
Also, it would have made it much more interesting when they did finally allow him “out” to the holodeck and/or the remote emitter since he’d have had to get used to actually walking across the room to pick stuff up and all that.
@@randombloke82 Leading to an interesting exchange between 'The Doctor' and _USS Prometheus_ 's EMH Mk-II:
Mk-I: Stop breathing down my neck.
MK-II: My breath is a simulation,
Mk-I: So is my neck. Stop breathing down it!
@@randombloke82 If you wanted to stretch the trope of "holodeck malfunction" a bit, it would be reasonable to assume that the holographic system acts in an isolated mode, only having connections to the emitters and databanks required for creating interactive holograms, and nothing else. As a further example, even the Emergency Command Hologram experiment required the Command Hologram to issue orders either verbally or via physical interfaces. This would act as a barrier against unauthorized holograms wrecking critical systems, as well as any malfunction-caused cascade effects. One would hope the experiences aboard the Enterprise-D have taught Starfleet something by the time Voyager was commissioned.
Last Episode of TNG. Experimenting with a spacial anomoly by firing Tachyon Beams into it... OOPS wiped out all life in the galaxy. NEARLY!!!
That wasn't shelved. They fixed it sho it never existed, and it was all Q's doing anyway.
That falls under "batshit things Starship captains have done in the field" rather than "Starfleet/Federation-led experments".
"Omega" had a great premise for a longer storyline in "ST:Voy", but the showrunners fumbled that ball really bad. Like many others in the series run.
That should have been the plot driver in Discovery's Burn.
There was that one failed experiment to let JJ Abrams direct Star Trek movies. I don't have the exact death tolls, but I still have horrifying flashbacks whenever I am reminded
I strongly doubt it was sanctioned by federation... but yeah, a disaster nonetheless
Vulcans watching "Back To The Future": Interesting, and quite plausible, even.
Humans: You do realize it's fiction, don't you?
Vulcans: We approve of the authenticity depicted here. This "Doc Brown" is just like all Federation engineers, in our experience. It explains so much, especially human fascination with time travel.
#7: Making tartigrades seem downright mundane when they showed up in DSC. Thanks Voyager; you scarred people for life.
Does that relate to specific Voyager ethic fails? I didn't watch every Voyager episode and I haven't watched Discovery yet.
Janeway should have been court martialed but instead she got promoted. Actually, if Starfleet always promotes their problematic Captains, it explains why half the Starfleet Admirals we meet are jerks doing shady things.
@@dojokonojo Lets be honest, if Ransom had got home without running in to Voyager he too would have been promoted. The PR disaster of clapping a Captain in irons after such an epic feet of survival would have made Genesis look like a cakewalk no matter what means said Captain used.
lol DSC, Rly? xD
Comawn we all know it's STD
@@DarthAzabrush Yeah I don't think they'd be promoting Ransom while they are fighting those Aliens he was using to get home. Pretty sure they'd just swarm Earth.
What I like is that the M5 computer failed, but there is a successful successor in the ECH. The Emergency Command Hologram. At least one exists, we don't know if Starfleet adopted the idea after Voyager returned.
Worst thing is about THAT episode is that in the 'Voyager Rest' which happens at the end of every episode so they can move on and pretend it never happened... They found a cure for all those ill results so there was actually no reason they couldn't have used it toi get home or anywhere else and then just taken a booster shot.
The omega molecules fascinate me as it is unclear what actually stabilized them. My guess is a sort of Goldilocks effect with the molicules. Too few of the molicules and they dentinate too many they still won't properly stabilize get the right number of molicules and they form the lattice we saw in the Voyager episode. I think it is this way because the molicules stabilized as Seven of nine was destroying the molicules..
Well the Borg revere it. Even they are unable to produce it. If I recall 7 of 9 mentions the Borg have observed stable iterations for short periods.
Sure, the warp 10 episode smashed The canon to bits, but it was still one of my favourites simply because of how absurd it is.
Plot Twist, the whole thing was just a Holodeck episode and none of it actually happened. The "Evolution" was purely due to the computer being like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO". This would be why Janeway and Paris were able to be brought back. They were only holographically transformed. And their spawn did not actually exist, so leaving them behind doesn't hurt as much.
If only....
i loved the use of LCARS display to introduce the ships, crews, goals and even who to report to. A+ video
So, the Enterprise was considered a casualty of the Genesis Project, but not the USS Grissom and her entire crew, nor the crew of the Klingon BOP?
Don't forget all the scientists on space station Regula I that Khan butchered.
Even if you attribute their deaths to causes not directly related to the Genesis Project, Khan and any survivors about his ship were killed when he detonated the device (I am counting Spock's death as being indirectly related to the Genesis Project as radiation exposure killed him not the detonation of the Genesis device).
If anyone makes fun of you for majoring in Art History, bring up Astro Mycology.
SPACE FUNGUS!
@@markwilliams-ko5zq Powering a ship with things I pick off my pizza.
I wish they would expanded more on the omega molecule and genesys more in all 3 shows. The omega molecule can be a miniseries by it self
The Gagarin IV aggressive antibody experiment killed the crew of 26 on the U.S.S. Lantree after they stopped by the Darwin research station. The first officer's Thelusian flu triggered the antibody response from the children who had been modified there.
I love how you used era apropreate ships for every expriment you talked about :)
If not the actual vessel involved.
me too, i also really liked that
all of these are in sto game
STO really is a treat to all trekkies and its free
@@crazymammoth Do you mean Star Trek Online, this game: www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online
My first thought was the Soliton Wave... but thankfully, they managed to contain it before loss of life occurred.
Great list!
I also thought of the Soliton Wave.
to me that warp 10 one looked less like "hyper-evolved" and more like they degenerated and through those mutation devolved.
Sometimes a species does devolve in order to evolve past a certain point.
Your reaction to Omega is just like me when my phone or computer gives me a pesky update notice! 🤣
TNG episode "New Ground" had the Enterprise involved with a new warp wave experiment that resulted in the test ship exploding and the wave gaining strength as it was out of control.
Just a correction ... warp drive was invented before the Federation existed ... etc. So the Federation did not create Warp Drive ... UPDATE to clarify: The Federation made Warp drive ships, improved them and made them better ... but they did create the Warp drive eng. Illustrate I made many computers, I made cars, I made a lot of stuff in my lifetime but they were all created by somebody before I made it! Both in original series, TNG, and Enterprise confirm this. All timeline changes in the TV series and Movies did not change this fact. Timeline changes came after the fact ...
not according to the revised Federation history....lol
By the Tkon. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tkon_Empire
All hail the Overlord. All hail the Overlord. All hail the Overlord.
@@jame3shook LOL ... not sure what your logic is??? But revised or not revised ... logically warp drive has to come first ...
Yes, it existed before the Vulcan ship that detected Chochrane was using them. What was revised that the Alpha Centarians had nothing to do with inspiring Zefram Cochrane from creating a warp drive. In Gene Roddenberry canon a slower than light mission went to Alpha Centauri where a habited planet was discovered with humans. Evolving on a different planet Alpha Centarians have a slightly different arrangement of internal organs. One of the Earthling was communicating with an AC using mathematics. Some of it was way over his head but from he could understand that it may be possible to travel along the curvature of time. If such a thing can be done than faster then light travel can be done. The bottom of the report was signed Zefram Cochrane Chief Science Officer. The movie Star Trek: First Contact toss that out the window. Alpha Centarians was changed to experts in terraforming who had helped Earth repair the damages from the war.
@@wapperjaw8282 Interesting.
it was great how you had the Omega Directive lock up you computer that was funny.
the number 7 one did have casualties, it killed what couldve been a fantastic episode
Voyager did that a lot. Some of it's best makeup effects? Wasted on Threshold. Some of it's best CGI? Wasted on The Disease.
@@arklestudios The whole plotlines with the phage and the thinktank couldve been some cool stuff if they had tried just a lil bit harder
I don't get why Everyone hates Threshold. Just being Star Trek is enough to be good. (Same for all Star Wars)
@@zacharybyford8200 Threshold is hated for its insane handling of science.
Infinite Speed is unobtainable. It would require infinite energy.
Then there's the problem of an entire space nation putting their best available scientists at problems like this... and a shortorder cook, two terrorists and a barely out of the academy ensign solve the problem over coffee.
The fact that transwarp experiemnts failed because they lacked a special form of dilithium crystals is usually also stated.
The total ignorance the episode shows about evolution (we don't have an inert form to strife towards, and evolution is not happening in indiviidual people)
The insanity about not using the drive because of mutation... that can be easily treated even at a very late stage OFF-SCREEN.
Pushing past the warp limit and being turned into salimanders and having the episode end on a joke about the Captian and the Pilot having salimander sex is not a good way to use a good concept@@zacharybyford8200
"When you have to resort to time travel to make a get a project work, you've goofed off somewhere."
This is what I keep telling my team, time and time again, again, and again.
That sounds more like a "you are letting them keep their time machines" problem.
Admiral Pressman: So ensign, you have been selected to join me on this hazardous and vital science mission.
Young ensign: This is such an honour sir, I promise to serve with valour and distinction.
Admiral Pressman: Excellent, report to The Pegasus, Oberth Class.
Young Ensign: Oberth class you say? You know actually, I think I'm busy that week.
I picture life on a Pegasus class starship is like being in the navy and assigned to a tiny ship that is always sent out into the sea to experiment with something they don't want to try on a larger and more expensive vessel yet... with more expendable crewmen. You know, the guys who are sweating when they are waiting for new orders to come in and then cheering when the orders come in to just scout out some area dangerously close to enemy territory... zero experiments involved... being happy to go to an area where bad guys are more likely to shoot at you because of no experiments on the ship. Let that sink in.
According to a non-canon book, the Omega experiment was carried out by Section 31, which is how Kirk learned of them
In a proposed Star Trek cartoon set 75 years after Next Gen, DS9 and Voy, it was to be called Star Trek: New Frontier. A series of omega bombs were exploded all but destroying warp travel in the federation. This is a federation and star fleet whose glory days are behind them after a second Romulon war, Vulcan succeeding from the federation and the Klingons empire being conquered by the romulons
I can only imagine Kirk telling his inner circle about it:
“Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.”
Spock: “Excuse me, Captain, I need to make a call... Tyler, we’ve got a problem.”
If I were Section 31, I'd be much more interested in the Genesis technology than I would Omega; imagine being able to create human life-supporting planets anywhere you needed them! That kind of tactical/strategic advantage would catch Section 31's attention; and it would be far easier to control than Omega. Just my 2c.
I have that book, it’s a good read. I like how it subtly implies that Admiral Cartwright from Star Trek IV and (more importantly) VI was part of Section 31.
@@artembentsionov
"Well, there’s this secret organization within Starfleet called Section 31 that uses illegal means supposedly in service to the Federation.”
Spock: "So exactly what you tend to do with your disregard for the Prime Directive and multiple Time Travel violations."
Kirk: "Yes but they're not me so it's completely different."
I think Omega should be on top! The potential harm is staggering. Because it has already affected travel in a whole galaxy, causing untold harm, it deserves #1.
Genesis needs to be much higher on the list, with the losses of the Grissom, Khan's 72, almost the entire project staff and various casualties on the Reliant and Enterprise (all in all 3 Starfleet vessels destroyed) to take into account.
That is known, the Reliant had 1 casualty, its captain. The rest are admittedly marooned by Khan, not harmed, just stranded. Also the genesis project didn't fail. The cave is proof that the project works, it just needs a stable base and not an exploded starship in order to work as intended.
Genesis project shouldn't be on the list.
@@Burningrobes to quote the late John McLaughlin, "WRONG!" EVERYONE, except for Dr. Marcus and David on Regula 1 were slaughtered, there's no doubt that some of the crew resisted the attempt to strand them on Ceti Alpha V
The Genesis Project did technically fail. The failure wasn't because Khan detonated the Genesis device onboard the Reliant (causing a really big asplosion). The failure was seen in The Search for Spock. The reason given during the movie, for the environmental (and later planetary) instability was that David cut some corner and used an unstable proto-matter when building the Genesis device because the Federation wouldn't give them enough backing (read: funding) to procure the proper substance needed for the construction. It could be said that the Genesis device may have worked perfectly had the correct substance been used in its construction; but we'll never know as the project was effectively abandoned for being too easily used as an WMD.
How about poor Chekov, losing all of his stuff , clothes , ECT. when Reliant blew up ?.
Later, Spock loses his belongings when the Enterprise blows up. I know it's not a Starfleet experiment, just a question.
I love how you can deactivate the omega-protocol with the task manager xD
1) make kirk an admiral
2) oberth class star ships
3) underage bridge ensigns played by wil wheaton
4) talaxian cooks on board of starships
5) provoke the borg
6) peace negotiations with the romulans
7) lets strand khan on ceti alpha v
8) lets introduce a rank above captain. im sure there will never be a vain/arrogant/blind/incompetent/corrupt commodore/admiral in starfleet
Your side comments are awesome and dead on. I lost it on the marshmellow maker...
In surprised no-one mentioned doctor Mannheim yet. We'll always have Paris? rift causing time jumps,loops and skips for several light years?
Yeah, I was waiting for that one.
That one was a biggie. Because every time someone in Starfleet gets self-righteous about other civilizations doing "dangerous" experiments they need to be reminded of the time the Federation nearly broke *time itself* for the galaxy! Honestly, I think that Q criticizes humans so much because his official day job for the Continuum is snapping everything back into order whenever humanity screws up space and time.
Maybe he didn’t include that one because it ended with Mannheim’s death rather than being shut down because it failed.
Doctor Paul Mannheim was not undergoing sanctioned Federation Research, he was conducting personal research he believed in. Much like Dr. Noonian Soong in his Positronic Brain. Nor was Dr. Arik Soong who earlier modified Augment embroys left over from the Eugenics Wars to "futher" humankinds evolution.
Dennis Kovacich Mannheim didn't die. After data shut it down, he regained his... well... self
“Hey, I’ve got this computer that can theoretically run an entire starship!”
“I’m assuming you’ve never heard of Control, right?”
“No, what’s that?”
“Never mind...”
well they did erase all evidence of control so yeah, federation created skynet in space
Control? What's that? Sounds like some kind of really dumb idea that a bunch of morons would make. Nah, you must be thinking of a different show than Star Trek?
@@angelangelis8362 Nope. It is the canon series Discovery. While it is not the same form of show that TOS, TNG, Voyager & DS9 were, it is still part of the ST universe, despite what some fans may think.
Just because it was _different_ does not make it _bad._
Precisely. All of that was expunged from the record. Which explains why nobody ever thought of stopping Dicky Daystrom.
Or Section 31 couldn't get to the M5 unit to sabotage it in time, unlike their successful efforts to throw a spanner in the works the first four times.
STD is an alternate universe from Parallels. :D
A wizard's second rule; The greatest harm can result from the best intentions.
Only if the intentions or people are corrupt. Otherwise no harm will result.
Even the best and innocent intentions can have negative results.
I think it has been confirmed that the Genesis device works fine. It was not the proto matter but the fact that a nebula was used and not an actual planitoid that it was built for that caused the instability.
Hah! The Marshmallow dispenser! It was a failure as well. :-P
The marshmallow dispenser uses omega particles for its operation. Sure it's all fun and games around a camp fire until one of those things destabilizes. Then the fun and games are over for light years in every direction🤫✌🖖👍
Just can't trust those marshmelons.
It took me 20 years to find out why it was called a marsh melon
@@davincent98 Well? Don't keep it to yourself.
@@sinisterminister6478 in the novelization, it explains that Dr. McCoy was pulling a prank on Spock
The list is good. I think it's not easy to put everything in a top 10 order. I would also mention the "Deadalus" Project of Emory Erickson, the Subquanten-Transporter. But it's definitely not ranked in Top 10.
Also the Soliton Drive was not a succsess and they had luck that no one was killed.
That was United Earth, not the Federation.
@@RRW359 That's right ;)
The subquantum-transporter was a lie.
The whole project was about getting his son back from a transporter accident.
Still the Slipstream Drive was perfected some time later after Voyager's return home, and was successfully tested on the USS Aventine, in command of Captain Ezri Dax on the Star Trek novels expanded universe.
I think the Andromeda series was loosely based on the Star Trek universe, many hundreds of years in the future.
I know that this was recorded before the ending of S2 of the Discovery but....
*MINOR SPOILER ALERT FOR DISCOVERY S2*
I'd say that Control was the biggest failed experiment tbh. It cost Starfleet about 30 Section 31 ships and their complement (on an avg. of 80-100 crew members * 30 = almost 3000 dead) + the loss of vast number of information stored within Control + (to avoid spoilers) casualties later on when Control tried to prevent their escape + two admirals + much more (like the potential destruction of all known universe and more)
We know Starfleet created Control. We know it was an experiment in which all Fleet admirals would feed information into the advanced A.I. to help them with decisionmaking. So yeah, I believe that Control did a number on the entire universe pretty much.
P.S. yes I am aware that Control turned 30 Section 31 ships into crew-less drones, but I doubt that it found those ships just floating around, it probably did the same thing that it did to the crew of the Section 31 ship that "missed its check-in" when Spock and Michael went to investigate. So it's safe to assume that those crews got rekt.
And yes I'm aware that we don't know much about how Control gained self-consciousness, maybe S3 will give us more insight, but based on the knowledge we have after S2, so far it's still unclear how this came to be, thus we can assume that it evolved.
I thought the biggest failed Federation experiment was Wesley Crusher.
Shut up GeoStreber!
In that episode with the Traveller, you could see Wesley look with wonder and curiosity. But after that he just went teenage angst and was lost. Dumb plotting for that character
GeoStreber I thought that from the very first time they showed him! He was nothing but a pain in the kiester from the get go! At last, someone who thought like me! This proves I'm not crazy!!! Doesn't it?
They correct that mistake with NOG
😂😂😂😂
Does Red Matter count? (From Star Trek 2009)
Destroyed an entire timeline and created one that was complete garbage. I would say that would be number one on the list.
MoonLghtKnght The Red Matter didn’t destroy any timelines, it transported Spock and the Narada to a different one. The Prime Timeline still exists and continues undisturbed, as evidenced by the fact that this event is frequently referenced in STO, and even the new Picard series takes place after it.
Besides, I doubt it created the Kelvin timeline. There are too many differences in the continuity and aesthetic to say that the changes started with the Narada’s arrival, and I’d place the point of divergence somewhere much earlier.
@@a.morphous66 True, it didn't DESTROY the timeline. However, that's what the producers were trying to do by making these movies. "Forget everything you know about the characters and universe you loved, now we are going to give you ACTION and LENS FLARE GALORE" "Oh, you didn't like that? Ok, how about hairless Klingons?" "No? Ok, here's old Picard and we'll even give you Data back!" "Whew, I think we dodged a bullet there fellas."
@@a.morphous66 WOuldn't the event have caused the Kelvin timeline to split? after all there would be one in witch everything was normal and another one in which spock and dummy arrived in and caused all sorts of mess
@@moonlghtknght ACTION and LENS FLARE GALORE"
as well as those stupid, weaving "phasers" that act like mini, fast, photon torpedoes
I really think Omega should be higher on the list due to it's potential to basically destroy the very way of life of nearly EVERY space faring race.
I mean star trek isn't very good at showing it very often but SPACE IS BIG!!!! The Lantaru incident created an area of 7 light years that couldn't be traveled by warp.
Due to time dilation effects of going close to the speed of light, it's impractical for a ship to travel more than rough 1/4 the speed of light at impulse (any faster and you start aging more slowly than the rest of the galaxy and traveling form one point to another becomes impractical) which means that it would take 28 years to cross that area of space, a star ship traveling at warp 9 would take about 1.5 days to cross that area of space, even traveling at warp 5 it would only take about 12 days.
Now imagine that you live on a planet in the center. it's 3.5 light years to the edge of the damaged subspace area, which means that even if you managed to send messages at roughly the speed of light it would take 3.5 years to reach the edge, and traveling at 1/4 the speed of light would take you 14 years to reach the edge of the damaged section. The planet would be effectively cut off from all contact and interstellar trade.
When you are talking about a society that is build on scale of the federation and surrounding powers. ANYTHING that could even potentially take away your ability to travel faster than the speed of light AUTOMATICALLY get propelled to the top of the list of most dangerous experiments.
Voyager has some bad episodes but "Omega" did a great job of making it clear JUST how dangerous Omega particles are and how dangerous the federation considered them to be and rightly so.
its actualy pretty funny going back to TOS and seeing how they make lightyears seem like simple city blocks.
Yes, in some ways the Omega particle should be higher. Even though it (to the best of our knowledge) didn't produce the highest body count of items on this list, it did have the farthest-reaching consequences, since the item itself not only can have devastating effects, but the Omega Directive (the rule put in place to handle any future contact with it; no other item on the list caused the creation of any sort of rule to address future contacts with said item) supersedes virtually every other rule and law on the Federation's books, even the Prime Directive itself.
14 years yes, but if you pushed your sub light to 0.999 c, you would only experience a few hours at most. So I would build some large ships and move my entire civilization out. Anywhere would be better than stuck. Find a nice abandoned star system to colonize. Something like that.
@@anthonylosego it's certainly possible but there is the issue of time dilation. When not using Warp the closer and closer you get to the speed of light the more time dilation you experience. Basically the whole ages at a different rate than you so 3.5 years later you finally get out of the expanse but there a host of other issue you run into. That is why star fleet ships are limited to 1/4 the speed of light at impulse.
@@WesStacey Isn't the impluse limit basically saying you need to die sooner so that you can experience more pointless travel time?
Yes!. Unfortunately I have a big gaping hole in my memories. Damn Section-31!.
Section 31 does not exist.
The thing about Threshold is that they could have made it home right there. Sure, Paris was mutated as was Janeway but they were both fixed. Just jump to Earth and do the same thing to fix everyone else.
*☼ **9:30** thats the Philadelphia experiment/project rainbow to drop off traditional radar!* i only just realized. tho they all likely have some irl parallel hey.
The Excelsiors drive probably succeeded as the Warp scale was completely changed in TNG which is probably due to the Transwarp drive. So it probably just took a while to be refined.
It's generally considered canon that (Excelsior) Transwarp didn't work on a large scale. It was supposed to be a whole new form of FTL. The recalibrated Warp Drive of TNG is simply an evolution, for example 1701-D's warp field is naturally asymmetric and unbalanced as part of it's daily functioning. (Excelsior) Transwarp had been tested on a very small scale with it's special warp field generated from outside the field itself, and iirc the failure was that the field would instantly collapse when generated from inside the field. There was technobabble involving subspace and quantum crap iirc. Who knows maybe it was a first attempt at quantum slipstream drive they just didn't realize it?
It doesn't help that 'transwarp' later becomes a blanket term for 'Things that exceed warp'.
@@copperhamster only failed the public test because......... Scotty Sabotaged it. Many, Many Episodes used Transwarp as a reason for things to go wrong. Good times. Lazy writing.
But what about the Warp surfing experiment?
The Soliton wave. That should be on the list.
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Soliton_wave
I was just thinking o the Soliton Wave...
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Soliton_wave
That didn't kill anyone though, did it?
@@justinthompson6364
The Soliton Wave Generator - meant to propel ships without warp drive at warp speeds (imagine a moving walkway from an airport for starships).
Of course we can fire this thing at an inhabited planet - nothing will go wrong.
It went wrong and the Enterprise-D had to risk itself to dispers the wave before it killed a colony. No mention of ending the project.
@@Tezunegari Given that it had the potential for destruction but didn't actually kill anyone, it would occupy the same space as the Genesis torpedo... but that was the bottom spot, and the Genesis torpedo probably got that spot because of the attention it got in-universe.
Wouldn't Section 31's Control fall under this list?
it should be the first place on that list i mean you know what it did in DSC season 2 ^^
It doesn't seem that Control was in an experimental phase, having already been proliferated across all of Section 31's fleet and even being used by Starfleet Command.
From what I gather control as it was originally implemented was not a true AI and didn’t its self fail so much as get co opted by the future AI that was looking to ensure its creation.
Though not an experiment. It was a proposal to implement a threat management A.I.
That did one kill alot ... a whole space station and several starships full of crew. (basically all of section 31's starships).
It even wiped out all sentient life when it succeeded acquiring its sentience.
The Borg could only wish they had that kind of A.I.
Control existed in the novels as well, albeit it in a somewhat less deadly form than in Discovery.
Props for the Disney reference and for getting a whole new world stuck in my head with just those few words
I would say the manipulation of the tribbles into the scourge they are now was done on a star fleet science ship by federation personnel a far worse disaster than most of the examples presented.
regarding # 6........you forgot the crews of a small freighter, a federation science vessel, the crew and compliment (less 1) of the klingon bird of prey, and lest we forget, Dr. david markus.
John Larroquette as Maltz (What the Hell kind of Klingon name is "Maltz"?): "I do not deserve to live."
Kirk: "Fine, I'll kill you later."
"Oh Dicky Daystrom, what did you DO?"
That HAS TO be a meme, NOW!!!
Not yet for i have not happened yet :)
Open the pod bay doors please M5.
How many aliens did the "Equinox" kill to make their ship go faster?
They say the number in the episode, but I dont remember.
Should have used giant tardigrades instead
approximately 32-34 (we are unsure on the exact number due to the time the managed to escape voyager) in total it would've taken 84 life forms for them to finish getting home.
I'm not sure that counts as a failure.
That's more "batshit things starship captains have done in the field".
It occurs to me that the Omega molecule in still shots strongly resembles the Fesarius-class First Federation starship encountered by the original enterprise in TOS
Pedantic Trekkies: "Voyager ignores canon!"
Alex Kurtzman: "Hold my beer..."
Dr. Daystrom should have installed an off-switch .
Roger Terry the M-5 turned off the off switch. Then disintegrated the red shirt when they tried to literally pull the plug 🔌💥
Um ... Star Trek... control panels are full of explodium and rocks ... "manual overrides" are operated through glossy computer touchscreens ... Delta Flyer uses the latest in retro-future knobs and levers.
The only on/off switch in the whole series seems to be the one built into Data's armpit.
Well Daystrom was after all a bit of a dumbass..
You might watch to watch the episode with the M5 again.
The body count was much higher.
All four "attacking" starships were beat up pretty badly and each of them had casualties.
I'm thinking more like 800 total dead and wounded.
The dead count was north of 800 iirc. Two ships rendered lifeless that's 860+/- right there.
@@JB-ym4up I thought only one ship was rendered lifeless. Two were trashed and the fourth was still good.
I don't have time to re-watch the episode right now but memory alpha only states that the Excalibur was "crippeled" and everyone was killed and the other three were damaged and sustained losses.
If anyone has the time to come up with an exact number, I'll take 650 dead and another 300 wounded and I'm sure there is a dead Captain or two in there also.
@@tomb7088 you're probably correct it's been ages since I've watched. To be sure it was a huge disaster for starfleet in both lives lost and the crippling of 1/3 of their constitution class ships.
Time to break out the dvd and see how many Red Shirts Scotty lost.
"Transporter accidents"
*Laughs in Tal'Shiar*
09:02 Phase cloak was not revealed to the dismay of picard, he's the one who revealed it.
Methinks you should reconsider referring to all personnel on board a starship as "officers". I can remember at least once hearing crew members referred to as Petty Officers which would be non-commissioned enlisted personnel and not commissioned officers.
I've been re-watching tng and there are multiple references to protomatter. Either the UFP legalized it's use some time after Wrath of Khan or the writers forgot it was banned.
Protomatter was never illegal, I think. Highly regulated, though.
You guess you could add Lore to your list. He and Data fall into the list of tech that failed and worked at the sametime
Except that Starfleet didn’t construct or design Data or Lore; Dr. Noonian Soong did, and he was just a private citizen, not a member of Starfleet, nor the Government of the UFP. And I would hardly call Data a failure; Lore, on the other hand, is a different matter.
I wouldn't call Lore a failure. Dangerous to everything around him yes, but not technically a failure.
@@nathanrcoe1132 For all intents and purposes, Lore was a success, and a failure at the same time. Success, because he had all the traits of a Human. Failure, because he had all the traits of a Human.
The phase-shifting cloak was NOT a failure. It worked, except Picard on his high horse put the treaty first even though the Romulans keep looking for a fight… 🙄
@Lazy Lajdak It worked on the Enterprise, they just had to be careful using it, so it didn't fail, it was just "shelved"
IKR military doesnt out its own top secret programs that would be treason? Picard should have been courtmartialed for leaking classified intelligence op
@@lightrayfused544 I would think that something phasing back to normal while inside a solid object (like an asteroid) would have a "somewhat" more energetic result than simply appearing halfway inside said asteroid, like maybe huge explosion as hundreds or thousands of tons of mass attempts to occupy the same space as the other matter?
Picard what a looser....there are 4 lights.
@@markwilliams-ko5zq Not necessarily: depends on how phasing works. In essence there is more than sufficient space between atoms to have another bunch of atoms phased into it. It's is not a fissile material: where basically the neutron flux can become so dense that the reaction is self-sustaining or unstable, and extremely dense materials do exist in nature.
There was the Soliton Wave project in ST:TNG episode New Ground. Achieving Warp speed without the use of a Warp Drive was half way to a success but eventually failed at the end when they lost control and unable to disperse the wave.
Pretty sure Deanna Troi's piloting abilities should count as the ultimate failed experiment.
That was a failure of command by one William T Riker the supposed best pilot on the ship who decided that ship counsellor with no prior piloting experience was the right person to pilot in an emergency when he himself really had nothing else to do at that point.
"The marshmellow dispenser from Star Trek V" LOL
Yeah, it killed thousands from food poisoning, so it should have definitely been number one, no doubt. :-D :-D
Everyone discounts ST5 as being so heinous that it shouldn't even be considered cannon.
As I recall, "The Traveler" seemed to use Starfleet ships to travel in his journeys - the experiments were a cover.
So he was a kind of a hitchhiker through the galaxy. Such a shame, he did never write a guide.
Perhaps he lost his towel.
@@codemonger54 I always thought he wore his towel the whole time as garment. So versatile these towels ...
Ah... The Omega Protocol. And when they found a species that was able to use it and stabilize it they stole Omega Particles and jettisoned them. The Federation Ladies and Gentleman.
I don't know...I mean star trek isn't very good at showing it very often but SPACE IS BIG!!!! The Lantaru incident created an area of 7 light years that couldn't be traveled by warp.
Due to time dilation effects of going close to the speed of light in normal space, it's impractical for a ship to travel more than roughly 1/4 the speed of light at impulse (any faster and you start aging more slowly than the rest of the galaxy and traveling form one point to another becomes impractical) which means that it would take 28 years to cross that area of space without warp, a star ship traveling at warp 9 would take about 1.5 days to cross that area of space, even traveling at warp 5 it would only take about 12 days.
Now imagine that you live on a planet in the center. it's 3.5 light years to the edge of the damaged subspace area, which means that even if you managed to send messages at roughly the speed of light it would take 3.5 years to reach the edge which means that even communicating with the outside 7 years to send a message and get a response(3.5 out and 3.5 back), and traveling at 1/4 the speed of light would take you 14 years to reach the edge of the damaged section. The planet would be effectively cut off from all contact and interstellar trade.
Now lets say that there existed a planet between earth and Vulcan that was pre-warp so the federation didn't interfere and they created and controlled Omega particles, a single particle caused the 7 light year damage to subpace in Lantaru Station explosion. A society that can control them probably has more than one so the damage would be far larger but lets say there was an accident and a single particle detonated between earth and Vulcan. Now you have roughly a sphere of space directly between Earth and Vulcan that you can't warp through so you have to go around. the circumference of this sphere would be about 22 light years so in order to go around you have to travel half that so 11 light years to go around an area that was only 7 light years before when you go through it. So lets say your traveling at warp 5 it takes you 12 days to cross the area of space, now suddenly that section is 11 light years long instead of 7 and it takes you 18 days adding 5 extra days to your journey.
Now lets say they had more than 1 particle and the damage is 50 light years across instead of 7, traveling at warp 5 the area take ~85 days to go through, but when you have to go around you now have to travel 78.5 light years and it takes 134 days adding an extra 55 days to your journey.
Now lets say that the damage was large enough that a nearby federation world was caught in the explosion, even if they survived they would now be cut off from the rest of the galaxy, with all communication and travel times to and from the plant now being measured in YEARS instead of days or weeks.
When you are talking about a society that is built on the scale of the federation and surrounding powers. ANYTHING that could even potentially take away your ability to travel faster than the speed of light is a MASSIVE danger to you and everyone else.
Voyager has some bad episodes but "Omega" did a great job of making it clear JUST how dangerous Omega particles are and how dangerous the federation considered them to be and rightly so. In my opinion the suspension of the Prime directive is justified in the case of Omega.
It's due to the insane risks involved. Accidents happen, and if a civilization mass adopted Omega particle power all it would take to blast subspace for possibly thousands of light years around (assuming the effect is proportional to the number of particles involved) is a single containment breach. A single natural disaster, equipment malfunction or act of war or sabotage and you can write off a large chunk of the galaxy from the perspective of a warp capable civilization forever.
The civilization potentially blowing up it's own homeworld and rendering themselves extinct is not even the primary concern. While extreme that's within their "right" to develop naturally on their own. The issue is the potential massive impact on all other surrounding civilizations.
@@Sherool yes the risks to all surrounding civilzations far outweighs any and all prime directive concerns.
Actually no, the reason they detected it was precisely due to the species not being able to stabilize it. That scene where Omega stabilize (with more advance technology from voyager) for an instant never did implied it can be keep stabilized. The species was pre-warp so they never could have understood the risk.
Then again, if those guys mess up the Omega Particles the whole damn galaxy would be wiped out
8:10- also known as the 'phase-adelphia' experiment... ;)
Glad to know its not just my ships windows that flicker on and off whilst in Slipstream on STO. Excellent video!