Can You SAFELY Use a Windscreen with a Canister Stove?
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Get You Own PaleoHikerMD Patches HERE!: www.etsy.com/s... I recently posted a video about using a windscreen with a canister stove, and I pulled it offline quickly after several subscribers suggested it's not safe! Well, I did my research, and they were right!
But...can you safely use a windscreen with a canister stove???
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Blocking wind without enclosing the stove is the balance I have always tried to achieve... Good to have someone share this concept
This is the humble attitude I love seeing in our UA-cam community 👊🏼🍻
A safer option. Get the optimus clip-on windscreen. $15 USD, works with most smaller backpacking stoves. I use it with the Soto Windmaster and it fits with the tri-flex pot support, but does not fit with the 4 flex.
THANK YOU,ERNIE! Not many hosts show your integrity,a mistake not only taken down,but also the warning to others.
I'm fairly new to canister stoves but my friend who has lots more experience than me told me to use it more like a two sided wind block (shaped like a capitol L) vs surrounding the canister like you see with alcohol stoves. I don't use it all the time but when it's windy it's nice to have. I think it's very important that people new to using canister stoves understand the risk with surrounding them and the science behind why you don't want to. It's good to know because in windy conditions even canister stoves need a little windbreak. It's all in the shape 🙂
I think you made the right choice. I’ve used a windscreen like that with a canister stove but not anywhere near as tight as you showed. Occasionally you can find videos of goofballs throwing those butane cans into campfires. They are no joke. It’s like a hand grenade.
You can kind of have the best of both, windscreen, and heat reflector, with a canister stove, if you DIY a foil backed with fiberglass fabric (heat blanket / shelter like the wildfire fighters carry) shaped like a bowl or funnel. The canister stays even cooler than without it. Cut a circle of the material, around 6"-8" diameter, and cut a hole in the middle of it, just barely big enough to put the bottom of the stem of the stove through it, before attaching it to the cannister. Then screw the stove to the canister, and let the foil reflector (insulation side down, reflective side up) rest on the canister. Scrunch the reflective fabric up toward your pot, while allowing just enough room for the stove to get air enough combustion air in from above, and to exhaust out above too. I also cut out a notch for the flame level / gas release valve arm (whatever its called) to poke through the reflector, of course, which also allows a little air in below the flame. If you felt it necessary, you could punch a couple more holes in below the flame for combustion. Anyway, the canister stays cool to the touch when I do it this way, and you have a nice stable (the foil is heavy-duty enough) windscreen and reflector right around the flame. Not only do you not retain heat near the canister, you protect the canister from the heat of the flame, and it remains completely cool to the touch. I don't really know why this isn't a standard piece of gear that is sold with the stoves or at least a ubiquitous DIY piece of gear. I got it from a lady that did dutch oven cooking in the field for wild fire fighters, but I think it must be available on the market somewhere.
This is an awesome idea!
instaBlaster...
Would like to see a video about this fire blanket set up.... :-)
@@Blair1Collins sorry I don't want to make a video. I trust you can roll even foil, so you can see for yourself with your own experimentation, how you can make a funnel, like you would with a sheet of paper. tape it (heat duct tape, the shiny foil tape you get at Home Depot for your heating ducts) or just fold it in position so it holds the funnel / cone shape how you want it. Cut the point of the funnel large enough for the bottom part of the stove to just barely slide through from the top, but more then just the that your screw onto the canister. The funnel you made should be large enough to go up at least higher than the flame and bottom of your cup. Waalaa. the flame is sheilded from the wind on all sides, but the canister is completely outside of the canister and not able to get too hot. One might argue that the very top of the canister at the point where base of the stove attaches to the canister. But its not been an issue. even there it hasn't gotten hot when I do it. all the heat is directed upwards. You can even fold / pinch the funnel shaped windscreen right at the base with it lifted up just slightly above the pint of attachment, so even the ver top center of the canister isn't getting heat from the flame. The material I mentioned is doubly safe, because it is insulated, but you could do the same think with regular foil and it works. The issues you have to tweek, if any are cutting a little hole in the cone / funnel for the on / off twist to come through, and the width and height of the fop of the funnel so that there is plenty of air for the stove to breath and exhaust. Just try it, and I think it will be obvious enough. The point is you get 360 degrees wind protections with a very small and light windscreen, and you don't trap any heat at all near the canister, in fact you protect it from getting heated more than if you had no windscreen at all because you're simultanously protecting the flame from wind and the canister from the heat of the flame.
@@Blair1Collins also, I don't see how to upload a video to a youtube comment here
Thanks for this video and for sharing the insights learned in your experiments. I appreciate how you compared the fuel consumption because I think about it more in terms of fuel efficiency and less about the time to boil. I have found that I can save a lot of fuel by turning down the stove flame to very low heat and just waiting a little longer for it to boil. With high flame, much heat is lost around the sides of the pot. Using aSoto Windmaster stove (without windscreen) I can boil cold water, outdoors in ambient temp of 40 deg f, using about 3.25 grams of fuel per cup boiled (versus the 6.5 and 8.5 gram-per-cup boils in your experiment). This can reduce the number of canisters needed on a trip so the weight savings can be substantial. Thanks again for sharing your work.
Thank you for the info! I’m new to the world of stoves and I appreciate you passing the learning on to me!
Get 3 of the inch and a quarter size binder clips to put on the three middle joints of the windscreen. That will keep 4 sections in line and two on each end to make wings that fold around the stove. They will be less than 30 grams and you can likely find other uses for them around camp. Clamp them to the folded up screen to keep track of them.
Gosh! This was eye opening. I have an Optimus windscreen which clicks on the cylinder just below the burner. I didn’t think it very effective when I’ve used it. I recently bought a GSI Pinnacle Four Season stove and the GSI windscreen to go with it. I’ve not used this yet as I’m still locked down here in the UK so can’t say how effective it will be. The good thing about both these, however, is that they sit above the cylinder (which I assume helps keep it cool). Both appear well ventilated with their many openings. Keep up the good work. I’m learning a lot from your videos. I particularly like your refreshing and honest presentation style.
Good redo. Thanks for the correction. The difference with an alcohol stove is even more dramatic. On alcohol stoves I’ve had no-boil situations without a screen and easy boil with one.
My chimney/windscreen is used with a reflector between flame and canister, plus I do not walk away and monitor my canister. The boil time is so short I do not have an issue. Plus my screen has ample ventilation below the burner level, and a hole for my valve handle extension (made from a piece of old aluminum arrow shaft) so I can turn the stove off immediately on boiling.
Lol, I was so confused when this video started until I saw how you were using the screen, I have always done it like you did later on except for remote canister/liquid fuel stoves. Makes sense though. Might try the "unsafe" style with a bigger buffer zone, I bet that fixes it and prevents issues with swirling wind
Basic physics: heat travels up. So it is safe to use a windscreen as long as it has ample air vents at the bottom (or sits on the canister without covering it like a blanket). Well constructed windscreen will suck air from the bottom, thus cooling the canister. I still remember house coal stoves with furnaces - they were really hot at the level of the furnace and above, but significantly colder at the level of the air vents.
Thanks for the video.I did the same thing. I am new to canister stoves and I built myself a windscreen. I ended up burning my index finger and thumb bc it got so hot.. thanks for bringing awareness to situation. great content keep it coming!
You don't think the canister got hot. Get a laser thermometer and measure it. Love you doing this.
You can use a shield IF you don't put it too close.
I have used a homemade shield for over 25yrs with no problems at all BUT my shield is around 3" away from the stove.
My homemade shield is made of hardboard & duct tape and is 14" tall.
Plus it is used in the Highlands of Scotland where you really need a windshield, or the water won't boil in winter.
That is the correct way to use a foldable windscreen.
You can still have a complete wraparound for the pot but then you have to use the windscreens that sit at burner level, covering just the flame and bottom of the pot, they are just a couple inch high. They dont go far lower than the flame so valve, canister etc are in the open, and cool. Generally companies that make the burners and pot sets (Coleman/SIGG/etc) sell them to fit one or multiple models of burner and pots kit (since the pot has to sit inside the windscreen with some room all around, you cant use a larger pot than designed).
The forum classiccampstoves has several threads where users show which screen fits on which of the burners. The concept is not difficult to replicate in DIY for the mini burners.
Thanks for the video, unfortunately too many just advocate the wrong way to use a windscreen just because nothing happened to them (yet...)
For whats worth it even other fuel stoves (not just the gas canister ones) shouldnt be used in a completely enclosed wind screen. If they have an overpressure valve to release fuel vapor if the fuel tank gets hot they will do so when its enclosed in a windscreen and that extra vapor will end at the flame and make a nice ball of fire all around the stove
Good one Ernie. I also use a wind screen. I use it to block the wind but have never felt a need to cocoon the stove with it. I'm glad you posted the video before I made that mistake. You may have saved me from having a really bad day at some point. Thanks pal. I also have the same style stove that you were using. I was a little concerned about it sitting directly on top of the canister. I wondered about the amount of heat going directly on top of the canister. I enjoy your videos brother. Thank you for doing what you do MD.
Yes..... Good video. Have ben using windscreens for years on ALL my stoves, reguardless of fuel. They are very efficient. You should always , with caution, use a windscreen. Also by usain a windscreen you can regukate the heat and actually cook instead of just boil water.
Thanks for listening. Mr. Griz
Stopping and thinking.... what a concept! Great Vid - Well done!
Sound advice and a great approach to a percieved problem. I was in the UK military for 23 years and ALWAYS sheilded my cooker from the wind as well as from view (obvious really) and never once did I see a gas cannister explode. The only explosion here is the myth. Use common sense, allow the can to remain cool whilst blocking the wind and not problem.
The Optimus windshield is good because it only shields the stove and not the canister. 👍
Great review my friend. Thank you for sharing. Safety is of ultimate importance. I'm definitely interested in the video when using a windscreen with an alcohol stove. Keep those great videos coming. Take care and be safe out there. 🤗
How close the windscreen is to the burner is very important. I always use aluminum foil...no weight and foldable/packable/shapeable..and always keep the top of the wind screen to 1 inch above the pot bottom. At this height the flame is not affected by the wind...blow out...and the majority of heat that is rising still encompasses the lower level of the water vessel. I never use an alcohol stove w/o an aluminum foil wind screen. Unbelievable difference in efficiency. Nice vid and thanks!
Thank you for the video, I never thought about it. Fortunately in the UK is so cold and windy most of the time (when up in the hills), my stove was actually still cold after cooking, even when wrapped around. Still, I'll pay more attention now, thank you.
wind screen is an essential tool in tropical mountain climbing, always wind everywhere even when its raining
It is safe..... If you use the Optimus clip on windscreen =)
There is limited compatibility though with stoves. You need one with a smaller pot support. For example it works with my Soto Windmaster, but only with the tri-flex pot support.
Glad you put out this video. The first time I used a windscreen that completely surrounding my stove + canister, it got scary hot. In fact the experience rendered my spark igniter inoperable...yikes.
Thanks! I just bought a coiled titanium screen to wrap tightly around my canister and cup. Ha! Maybe not a great idea! I'll continue your tests using 2/3 around tight wrap to see that lets enough heat out or if large margin like you showed is required. Hopefully I'll be back to let you know how it went haha
I never would've thought to put the windscreen as tightly as you did in the first one.
Try the ocelot wind screens. Very light and fit in pot
Spoken like a TRUE scientist - you are what they call intellectually objective. Great video, great UA-camr!
Trangia 27 or 25 with the gas burner is what I have, I do like the idea of the Optimus clip on windshield for use with the BRS burner & a GSI Halulite Minimalist set.
Using the windscreen correctly!
I have a heat exchanger pot, the essentially a built in windscreen, combined with the pot hack works great. Its on my channel, if interested.
Thanks for sharing, Bro. Never thought about this safety aspect.
Admitting a mistake like this is a great marker for maturity
I've used windscreens slot but I did notice on one occasion the canister did get very hot so hot I could not refill it anymore I think it effectted the rubber seal on the canister just thought I would share that with you great video thanks
Did you ever try the Optimus windshield for canister stoves? They clip on to the canister and is semi circular.
Great approach to this Ernie, thanks for sharing 👍🙂
Thanks Ernie for checking this out! Great video
Boy glad I saw this. In the process of making some sort of Wind Screen.
AKA ROCKY
Thanks for posting. I was looking at buying one. This makes sense.
It would be interesting to see your results using the Optimus clip on windshield.
Hi Doc have you looked at the Optinum windshield? Clips on the canister, have seen some reviews on this? Just a thought
Reason why Remote Canister Stoves for the win!
thank you very much for your answer and your sincerity!
Most people don't have an outlook and think like you just did. I know this for a fact. I learn about the benefits of using a Lota long before the virus and gave a few presentations. I don't think that anyone got what I was telling them because of their wrongful thinking. They chose to go on hurting themselves and the environment rather than accepting such a wonderful gift.
It's a wind screen not a thermal reflector. You don't put it that close to the stove. Used properly it's perfectly fine.
Nice thanks for that as I'm new to this great help 😎
Heat deflector mounted on borosilicate glass bushing around the burner stem
Nice job!
Borosilicate glass tea cup saucer with hole drilled with diamond hole saw to fit neck of canister
It's all about learning and sharing. ;-)
Super helpful video, thanks!!
Material inside of a exhaust muffler beanie for top of canister
BIG THANKS FOR CARING
Thanks for the videos.
Remote cannister stove. Have your cannister outside the windshield.
Brilliant video, thank you.
I found an article that has a tank shield or heat reflector between tank and the stove. MSR use to have one made of foil, but I couldn’t find a picture. These will help with not getting the tank hot but like you said, keep the windscreen far enough away.
backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/roger-caffin-or-anyone-else-is-this-windscreen-safe/
With gas canisters that use a brs stove, when I've finished cooking amd disconnect the stove, is the canister safe? Or do i need to screw something on to the canister to prevent gas leakage?
Hi,does the base of the burner gets hot(the part where you thread)..even for 3 minutes,it will get hot..but not burning hot,thanks
Excellent ! Thank you.....
How about something like the optimus clip on canister screen … may shield the can too
Thanks for sharing!
Look at UK sales, if a windshield increased the risk of detonation, the UK would not allow it to be sold. Simple.. Maybe other countries have more lax safety regulations.
Or a canister beanie made of ceramic fibre
Ha ha..I cook behind my umbrella slash kayak sail slash wind blocker in windier conditions..does that qualify as a windscreen? Otherwise my pocket rocket is adequate in calmer conditions with no windscreen.
What about using a thermarest sit pad for wind screen?
Borosilicate glass bushing that sits on canister neck with heat deflector
An extension tube from canister to stove
Don't surround the stove so tight with the screen, Jeez@!! What were you thinking???
Spread it out so it can breath and let off heat, it's called a wind screen for a reason not a mini furnace..
Has it ever happened ?
Wow! Ruggedly handsome and a doctor!
I bet your wife is stunning!
Your first video wasn't done safely
Hey I know your video about windscreen safety was posted almost 4yrs ago now. Wondering if you have found a better method than the one you seem to have settled on. I stumbled upon this idea: ua-cam.com/video/GDDjwcrGnXQ/v-deo.html. I wonder what your thoughts are on that. I suppose you could use material from a can of pop or something too instead foil like the UA-camr does. Be interested to hear your thoughts on it. Or better yet a video if possible! Thx!
You must have only had a cup of water. Your windscreen is not unsafe.
I would use a wind screen, but I would get what is called a Carbon Fiber wind screen...these don't heat up like a aluminum or a very light steel can...you can buy them at minibulldesign.com this is an American company...and makes the lightest and hottest alcohol stoves ....on the market.
excellent testing! thank you.
Upright stoves are too jankey for my taste.
Depends on what you want. Do you want a quick, light weight way to boil a cup of water? Then it's fine.
Do you want to make a full dinner? Then I'd like something more stable.
@@anhatur that’s why I have different stoves, Trangia, pocket stove and also a Coleman white gas which is actually my favorite. I car/tent camp thus weight is not an issue, the pocket stove is used indoors either in a hotel (hate to use their coffee machine I like strong cowboy coffee) or in time shares, Trangia is for spare of the moment hikes. Yes I’m picky and prefer to use my Sea to Summit collapsable kettle. Then again I have a camping gear addiction lol.
just quit. its safer that way. theres no benefit,