@@MogemannJust because someone else has done it doesn't downgrade the achievement lol. Only Arsenal fans think like that. A treble is still a treble. So you dont want to win the ucl or league as well because teams have won that before?
"Invincibles is worth 3 Champions Leagues" "I wouldn't swap four PL titles in a row for one invincibles" This Arsenal fan is Ty level deluded. Thats genuinely mental.
real conversation about how overblown the Arsenal invincibles are. Juventus Invincibles don’t ramble on about it. Leverkusen just had a more impressive invincible season than Arsenal and everyone has moved on. Arsenal fans are stuck in 04 because they haven’t done much since!
AC Milan had an invincible season aswell, but AC Milan and Juve fans don`t overblow it because both of those clubs have had a great history and it isn`t really a big deal. But obviously it is the only thing Arsenal thinks matter, which i get with it being such a small club. and their fanbase has such a limited mindset.
Juventus and leverkusen 😂 They play in a piss poor league that's why they don't talk about it. Not to mention they'd talk about it in German and Italian I'd guess, suppose you talk both of those languages and follow both fan bases?
@@ValgniTehki Leverkusen is still very new, so we won't know how that will be spoken about historically. However AC Milan did it in a time when the Italian league was much better in comparison than the Premier League now. It's totally not that big a deal at all. Probably because they have 7 champions leagues to bring up that each outshines an unbeaten season. Ajax did it aswell in a time when the Dutch League was probably the 2nd strongest in the world. Most of their fans don't even know when it happened. For Arsenal it's basically the only little thing they have left to hang on to.
@@Jordy4610A quick search will show you that AC Milan fans celebrate it every season. No other team in the prem has ever done it, sort of shows how difficult it is to do and especially when you didn't unfairly buy it. Also arsenal and milan did it back when football was real and not the pretend shit we have today.
@@libby4608 yes because CL is 80 % fluke and depends on luck in the opponents u meet , u need 12 fluke games to win CL but need 38 games to go unbeaten in the EPL
@@barugambireismailismail1688btw Arsenal got 90 points in that season (not even a top 10 tally all time) they won one trophy and never defended the league title. The invincibles fall short on every category
I am an Arsenal Fan and I agree with most of what you say but (4 on the trot aside) the treble has been done in my life time twice. Where as going unbeaten all season hasn't. And with all the great teams about through those years has to say something for that achievement.
Its simple really arsenal peaked at the invincible season then they fell off so their fans which there are many hold on to that moment and ovvertate it@@belowaverageplayer9212
@@belowaverageplayer9212 Bayern leverkussen went unbeaten last season and liverpool were close with 1 game away, and on top of that winning a invincibles season and winning nothing major afterwards for 20 years still makes u garbage the last 20 years.
Liverpool did better than the Arsenal invincibles when they finished second to City in their centurian season. They lost games and still gained more points in a second place finish!
If you said to any football fan in the world if they’d rather have a treble or an invincible season then 100% of them would say the treble. That includes Arsenal fans if they were actually honest with themselves. You’d be an absolute idiot to turn down 3 trophies over 1, especially when 1 of those 3 is a bigger than the 1 you get. It’s lunacy.
and if u asked every football fan in the world which club is the bigger in history arsenal or city and they were honest with themselves then 100% of them would say the ARSENAL, That includes city fans.You’d be an absolute idiot to say city, especially when you haven't even matched their trophy cabinet.
@@davidbeck4814 Let’s say if you were a tennis player and one year you won a Grand Slam without dropping a single set. Great achievement. What does it show? Well it shows you won your tournament comfortably and you’re good. Now let’s say another person the following year wins 3 Grand Slams out of the 4 on offer. What does that prove? It proves they’re the current most dominant and definitive player in the entire sport. That’s the difference.
It's about fucking time that people call out that Invincible nonsense. Every human being that prefers an "Invincible" season over a treble should be institutionalized. It's absolutely impossible to have a rational debate with some Arsenal fans...
It seems you've missed the irony in your own argument. You're criticizing others for being impossible to debate rationally, yet your stance is so extreme that it leaves no room for discussion. Suggesting that people should be institutionalized for having a different opinion is hardly conducive to rational debate. Perhaps it's worth considering that the problem isn't just with 'some Arsenal fans,' but with anyone who takes such an inflexible position.
biggest argument for invincible is, it is rarer so more precious. Thus, the special golden trophy. And before you start the draw things, no you need two things to become invinsible 1.win a trophy 2. do it undefeated
Arsenal, Man United , Liverpool achieved through consistent sports success. They built success on decades and decades of sports success that bought financial capability. Man City were relegation fodder .. oil money is the only reason for City success.
I'm an Arsenal fan, but this is ridiculous. It's as though smaller clubs can't try to be big anymore. We're not okay with the super league because there's some sort of elitist nonsense, but whenever a smaller club like City, PSG, Newcastle, tries to be big from large funds coming in, then oh they will never be the same. Oil money. People who discredit City due to oil money are hypocrites.
This Man City fan misunderstands history, it’s not just success. Arsenal have never left the first division, fans passing down through generations for over a century. I was in secondary school in 2008 when Man City was invented. Everton has more history than city
Steve should have said. You can go a whole season invincible but not win it. It means absolutely zero. It a nice caviate to winning the league that's it. Its like winning the title and your stiker won the golden boot also.
Im sorry to tell you Arsenalfans, but i can assure you that NO ONE in the world besides you think "invincibles" trophy is bigger or better than 1 CL. Its not even close.
These kind of convos start to be more and more uncomfortable every year for Arsenal fans haha. Steve is right, to be at the big boys table, you need a Champions League. Arsenal not having a Champions League is the reason why Mbappé never considered Arsenal as a choice, when he was ready to go to Liverpool (and if City was interested, he would have considered them as well). As a foreigner (I'm French) I can guarantee you that abroad, Arsenal is seen as a second tier kinda club (like a Dortmund for example). Even Nasri said in a interview that Arsenal is the kind of club you go before going to a bigger club. And if Arsenal don't win anything this year, Saliba is 100% doing the same. It's up to Arsenal to change this image they have but I feel like they have no intention of doing so, as we could se with the last transfer window
Even if im willing to concede that city are more successful than Arsenal, There are two problematic facts that remain: 1. Arsenal will always be a bigger club in terms of the size of the fanbase 2. There is a huge question mark and potential stain on City's entire success, that is their pending 115 charges... Time will tell whether they will be able to rub this stain off their legacy, but i'm pretty sure there's a public consensus that this is NOT a coincidence
All this big club talk and City have no history is hilarious cos if we wanna be really honest about history: Arsenal bribed their way into to the first division. Had the nickname “Bank of England”, Man City won their first FA cup 20+ years before Arsenal. No one in our lifetime has seen Arsenal retain the league title. City have seen things Arsenal will never see and Arsenal are supposed to be the bigger club 🤣 130+ years and no European pedigree? Arsenal fans need to humble themselves a little bit.
All these verbal gymnastics but football is about trophies right? So who has won more trophies in their history Man City or Arsenal? Who's been relegated more times? Who were Man City before the oil money came in losing 8-1 to Middlesbrough? Do not even try and chat about Man City vs Arsenal in history.
@@kevin084life Apparently City have no history or it’s sportwashing, but fans of these big clubs don’t even know their own clubs history. You wouldn’t even have your trophies if it wasn’t for your corruption in the 1930’s. Only team in english football history to be promoted to the first division undeservedly. Know your history you plastic.
@@kevin084life Apparently City have no history or it’s sport washing, but fans of these big clubs don’t even know their own clubs history. You wouldn’t even have trophies if it wasn’t for your corruption in the 1930’s. Only team in English football history to be promoted to the first division undeservedly. Know your history you plastic 👍🏾
You’ve been relegated more times than you’ve won a league title. Your ‘history’ points more towards failure and mediocrity than success; I’m sure if Arsenal spent the 2nd most amount of money in PL history instead of having a negative net spend they’d have seen more success. There are only two decades since the 1930s where Arsenal haven’t won a title - just because City suddenly pop up after being bought into relevance then they become bigger? As for the bribery, that is just speculative nonsense. It has never been proved. The reason why they were called a ‘Bank of England’ club is because they were MAKING record amounts of money (things like being the first club to make £100,000 from ticket sales alone), which they had every right to spend - City on the other hand would never be the club they are if they hadn’t been arbitrarily bought by Abu Dhabi.
Turkish forgot to talk about the values of the club, with pride fan base, racial community and all of the things... the "not spend alot of money" and things like that... thats why Arsenal is big, not only for the trophies
@@marcosilva2319 Funny as I seem to remember Arsenal tried to shut up Ozil when he was speaking about the mistreatment of muslims in china as it upset sponsors. Actions speak louder than virtue signals.
I also say; record number of FA cup wins. Best league finish; anfield '89, best ever player; Thierry Henry. 3rd most trophy won in English football. History, class and tradition. Nobody cares about cheating city and never will.
As a City fan. Even if Erling gets 300 PL goals he won’t have a better legacy than Henry. Henry was unplayable, terrified the best defenders. Truly looked like a man playing against kids. He was the 3rd best player in the world better two of the greatest players in the history of the game. He’d get 50 a season now.
Going unbeaten in a whole season is such an arbitrary stat that Arsenal fans hold on to. If van nistelrooy puts that penalty a foot lower at old Trafford or the ref doesn’t give a pen for the pires dive that season and Arsenal had a loss on their record then that team wouldn’t even be considered in the top 5 teams to win the league. Are you telling me it’s more impressive to have 38 draws in a season than 37 wins and 1 loss just because you’ve gone ‘unbeaten’?
@@Dept-of-Agriculturebecause for City they want to win all competitions. And its more important to win titles than go unbeaten… City has like 4 titles where they gained more points than the invincibles did, which makes those 4 more impressive
I genuinely don’t think any actual match going Arsenal fan would want the invincibles over a treble. Invincible season was cool but tbh it’s more of a gimmick. If pep, fergie, klopp or mourinho really wanted to park the bus in a few big games to go invincible they 100% could have
Think Turkish is one of the few and sensible arsenal fans around that are not deluded. Steve is the best City representative on the social media. Good video. Turkish and Steve fought today on big six but those two are mature enough
@@notorious_nrsa i am a city fan I personally beleive that as an institution we are close to Crossing arsenal and we have already crossed them when it comes to sporting achievements. We have 10 league titles to Arsenal's 13 and have more European trophies than arsenal. So yeah I don't believe we are yet but will be soon.
@sankulpandey9388 Bro, it ain't just about achievements all in all. Fanbase, culture, and other stuff. City aren't ahead in any way. Have you seen the Arsenal community in Africa?? You can win more league titles than Arsenal. It won't increase your fanbase to the level of Arsenal
As a United fan ive seen Henry take the ball at half way glide past multiple defenders bang it side net and slide. I think Haaland could become a better striker.. better player? Not for me.
@@BigSteveMcfc Steve, I think you're missing my point and I think you know what I'm talking about when I talk about the overall player. Anyways nice wind up attempt. Also I didn't diss Haaland.
Rival fans just want arsenal to stop praising invisibles they see it as a normal trophy win nothing special thats why comments are supporting yhis man city guy but for me if its not special then also chelsea 2005 and man city 100 points not special
Liverpool fan here with my opinions: 1) Saka over Foden simply because Foden is constantly surrounded by world class players and we haven’t seen him shine like Saka in a team that is building. 2) Invincibles cannot be the answer to everything…Turkish sounds like Ty from AFTV…however, if Turkish made the argument that City’s success was based on breaches of Financial Fair Play, then under those circumstances, City’s achievements are tarnished and not really true success (if a result of “cheating”) On paper, Arsenal is a bigger club. 3) Depending on the result of the 115 charges, City are the likely favourites. The beginning of the season means little. City has come back over and over again and can never be counted out.
Every season someone has to win all of the trophies. Sometimes, very rarely, the same team wins more than 1. There is no guarantee that someone goes unbeaten though. That’s why it’s special. You can win a cup by not being the best team in the competition, you are not going invincible for 38 games in the premier league if you’re not the best. But after saying all of that, I’d rather the treble 😂 I just think it’s harder to go unbeaten.
@@5thdawg917 nothing is changing if 90% epl fans don't watch city games if they're not playing any top 4 team ,I've seen gurdiola begging city fans to fill their 45k sitter stadium of late
All the people saying that Chelsea or City are bigger than Arsenal just base it on the number of European cups but no one would say that Villa or forrest are bigger than gunners.
It's not just based on the European cups. Arsenal has 13 league title and city has 10. Add to that all the accomplishment city has the 4 peat, treble, centurions, 4 domestic trophies a season. City has the achievements to back it. They are a bigger club.
@@johnorange1970 so what makes a club big? Is it the trophies because City has them? Is it the fan following? If that's the case than Chelsea are easily bigger? What is it except nostalgia or not wanting to believe it? Why isn't there a case for City to be bigger than Arsenal? I am not sure about Europe but I know city have a bigger fan following than Arsenal in Asia, N.America and S.America .
Arsenal aren’t even bigger than City anymore arsenal have 13 premier league titles and City have 10 but most of arsenal titles were in the 1930s I think it’s unquestionable that City is a bigger team than arsenal
city are levels clear of arsenal in every metric. city were already a bigger club before the ucl and left arsenal behind a long time ago. the gap is massive.
Only one team has 13 Premier League titles and that's man utd. What you are referring to are league titles. Remember that the premier league only started in 1992/93.
Bottom line: 1. Arsenal are a bigger club than Man City 2. City have better trophy records than Arsenal 3. Nobody mentioned the 115 elephants in the room 4. Arsenal aren't the only English club to go Invincible. Preston North End and Liverpool had invincible seasons too 5. Steve won this individual debate, despite Turkish's respectful responses
@@naveenj2284 You're confusing "big club" with "currently successful"... Just because Leicester were successful in 2016, does that make them a bigger club than Nottingham Forest or even Blackburn Rovers? Besides, there's 115 reasons why City have been successful in the past decade, whereas Arsenal have success that's rooted throughout history. And I'm not an Arsenal fan either.
@@gsdrums47 if u wanna go off that logic, everything arsenal have achived is down to corruption and bribery. which is proven unlike city who are innocent atm and are facing allegations. "uccess that's rooted throughout history" either ur incredibly delusional or a closeted arsenal fan. or both cuz arsenal are known to have the most deluded fanbase in the world. 20 years without a title and nearly 5 years without any piece of silverware.
European treble,domestic treble (never been done bar city) 4 leagues on the spin 4 league cups on the spin,most league goals in a season 108 most points in a season 100 that’s just the tip of the iceberg get to bed arsenal
City did'nt go unbeaten but still managed to rack up more points than them in their centurian season which should tell you that the opposition that Arsenal faced in their "invincible" season is not comparable to even the likes of Liverpool who finished second to City that season and finished with more points than Arsenal did in their invincible season. This 'invincible" shit is redundant.
Invincibles will likely never happen again but it doesn’t really show the strength of the side and is a bit of a gimmick trophy. For context Liverpool only had one loss in 18/19 and had 7 points more than the invincibles…they came second
@@Dept-of-Agriculture idk I think winning more games and getting more points is harder, you can lose a game by one goal of complete misfortune. Invincibles won’t happen again tho and I’d much more rare
Arsenal fans keep saying theyve won thirteen titles because they are ashame to mention that they have won three prem league titles alone they Liverpool are bigger than both of our clubs because they have won nineteen league titles and six european cups
I’m an Arsenal fan living in Australia. I watch all their games, regardless if it’s a 11:30pm 2:30am 4:30am kick offs. As great as it was to have the season of invincible, not winning the champions league in that era I feel was the biggest disappointment considering the talent we had on the park. Given the choice of winning the treble or going undefeated, I would definitely have to choose the treble. Even breaking the record heels by Nottingham Forest for the unbeaten sequence doesn’t make up for no champions league.!!!
He was & still the most exciting player the PL ever seen he's the type of player you would pay way to watch.....schooling the galacticos at the bernabeu, single handledy rearing a remontada against Liverpool, his gobsmacking flick-turn volley against man utd to name a few
@@bukhariapdelahi7072 they already and Surpassed it in quiet Huge Fashion. First English Club to win 4 in a row, first English Club to get over 100 points. Just remember where Treble winners and we have a Champions league, arsenal are a big club but there not a big European club
@@nayara6058Arsenal have 13 league titles to City's 10, 14 FA cups to City's 7. Both won one cup winners cup. The ONLY thing you have over arsenal is ONE champions league. You guys keep talking about records but 100 points still only equals one league title. We still have more lol. The bottom line is Arsenal have won more league titles and FA cups AND more trophies overall. Arsenal have millions of fans all over the world meanwhile City can't even fill the emptihad.
@@stephen-fu2ls 13 division titles or is that 13 actual premier leagues ? And also you forgot to mention only clubs in England that have the Treble which only the elite have is City and United, you forgot to mention the Treble, until you don’t win the champions league you will not be a big European club, let’s not forget half of arsenal fans used to walk out Emptyrates before half time when arteta was managing a few years back, let me know when you win the champions league sonny or even the treble
@@nayara6058 Mate the league didn't start in 2012 lol. You're showing your age now. The premier league was a branding thing to create more money of course we have to count the league titles before that, its just a name change, it's the same league lol. And the bottom line is Arsenal have 3 more leagues than City and 7 more FA cups. City were in league one when Arsenal did a double in 1998. Those fans walked out in one of the worst periods of the clubs history (finishing 8th not being in league one) City are in the MOST successful period of their history and still can't fill the emptihad. 100 points equals 1 league title. City's records are great and all but Arsenal still have more league titles more fa cups more trophies overall and more fans but you think you're bigger. You guys are so deluded.
lol @itsSloMo your name kinda suits the way you think… look up what City have won in comparison to Arsenal, or just listen to the facts that Big Steve is speaking. Arsenals history of failures makes them the bigger club in that way 😂
Wow this Steve guy is really delusional. There’s a difference between our success (Man Utd fan) and 115s success. Same with every other proper club they could buy 10 trebles in a row they’ll never touch the size of proper organic clubs with a deep rich history trophies doesn’t define how big you are the story behind them, the fans and the influence defines how big a club is .
@@BenWilkes-c9nAguero, Silva, Walker, Yaya, KDB, Rodri, Kompany, Haaland, Ederson can chat to literally any club’s legends. Not to mention Bernardo, Fernandinho, Gundogan, etc. Foden will go down as the most decorated English player ever. Ederson best ever GK with his feet in football history. Aguero top 3 PL striker, Haaland record goalscorer. KDB inarguably top 3 midfielders in PL history if not the best outright. Rodri already sits alongside Kante, Makelele, Busquets, Vieira. The only position City can’t really chat to other clubs is wingers (other than Mahrez). Any other slander from you or others is just hate. Not only did City win a first division title over 100 years ago, they were the first Manchester club to win the FA Cup as well. Centurions, 198 points over two seasons, domestic quadruple, continental treble, four titles in a row, six in seven years (only beaten by Liverpool’s best ever side in that time). Give it up already. City is a MASSIVE club whether you like it or not.
@@LeominsterFCwoah I appreciate the passion but you’re talking in some crazy hypotheticals lol. But I do absolutely agree that we have a ton legends tho! People need to put more respect on Fernandinho!
@@DJBusinessCake yes, ur 13 yrs of success doesnt surpass Arsenal who have the main 4 of being a big club. Uve been relegated and won the 2nd division title more times we've won the league and u think ur on our level cuz of a CL win in Istanbul. Allow it younger lmao
@BestInTheWorld13x Come back when joke club Arsenal win a European treble , a domestic quadruple, most points in a season, 4 titles in a row and record for most goals in a season 😂
@@DJBusinessCake man said better achievements but still didn't validate a point to being bigger than my club lol🤦🏾♂️. Talk to the other yutes ur age cuz I don't take ur fans seriously, uneducated as hell. Safe 👍🏾
Embarassing to call Manchester City a bigger club than Arsenal. Arsenal have more league titles, more FA Cups, more fans - The only thing Manchester City have more of is Champions Leagues and they only have the one.
Two different era's of football, you cant compare. Football was a mans game when Arsenal went unbeaten. No VAR and a two footed tackle was par for the course. We played european football in a time when teams like AC, inter, barca, real, utd and even porto were great. City just havent had that level of competition in europe. fair play theyve won a european cup, but being at highbury and watching Henry, Bergkamp, Pires etc go unbeaten was a joy to behold. in fact i believe the year we did that city played David james upfront in a game?!?! banter.
@@grealish2234 Well Arsenal’s UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1994, and won a PL (13) in almost every decade since 1930s. City won 8/10 of theirs within past 12 years, last before that in 1968 ... 44 years between PLs lol @ City “history”
If u wanna go by that logic, arsenals entire history up to now has been down to bribery. 😂 city are innocent of any wrongdoing ATM. While arsenal bribed their way into the league
The treble is more difficult. Going unbeaten back then wasn't as tough as today. The greatest unbeaten league season achievement is Leverkusen. Because they shouldn't have even gotten close to the title, let alone win it. Teams try to get as many points as possible, rather than play more defensive and hope to go unbeaten. Sometimes, that can cost you. For example, in 2020/21 Man United didn't go for the win in several away games, to keep their away unbeaten run going and in the end, that cost them. If they win 4 and lose 3 of the 7 games they drew. That's 5 extra points. They also ended up losing and drawing a few games that they could have easily won. I mean, they still would have lost the title in 2021, but the margins would have been much closer
the reason why arsenal have won many league titles back then is because they have history unlike city… Their legends are freaking aguero, kompany, David silva etc… recent legends 😂😂 how dare you try to advocate you are bigger than arsenal.. embarrassing.
@@CityPerspectivewow! Even with a ucl, you are still smaller than arsenal..also how is legends irrelevant? It’s a point. A point on how recent your club was winning trophies after being bought by a Saudi owner because before that you were NOTHING. 😂
I don't understand why rival fans bash Arsenal for the Invincibles season - IMO it's more of an achievement than the treble. Both City and United have won the treble but Arsenal are the only team in all of English history to go an entire league season unbeaten - Less teams have done it which demonstrates it's difficulty - Would happily concede this had another club in England done it, but they haven't, and until they do, this stands as the highest achievement in the game.
Not sure how you quantify club size but in terms of weight of individual achievements centurions, fourmidables, treble and four in a row is definitely more impressive than just invincibles
The past 12 years of City's history is bigger than Arsenal's entire history. Champions league, 8 PL, 4 in a row , treble, 100 points, 4 domestic trophies a season. All in the past 12 years Arsenal fans could only dream about it. And I ain't even trolling.
@crunchysauce United won most of their trophies in 2 decades of dominance, so that means that's not history? People are making stuff up about what's history and what's not.
Who do YOU think is the biggest club in England? Reply to this comment 👇
Not City!
Who cares about being the biggest. What's more important is whos winning trophies
U get me
I dunno about that. City are bigger than arsenal tho
trophies:Liverpool
global brand:united
sugar daddies club like Chelsea and city shouldn't be in the discussion
Facts I agree man don’t give a fuck about going unbeaten
It's funny how Steve came up with three different achievements: treble, centurions, and fourmidables. Turkish guy just kept repeating Invincibles
Its all they have
What is fourmidables?
'all they have', since when are you watching football mate ? 5 years ? @@ErgenJaeger
@@tomfurlong34914 domestic trophies in a season
@@tokhirjontukhtasinov1397 league cup F.A cup premier league and charity shield?
I would rather have a treble than going unbeaten in a season.
Of course. Absolutely everyone would
Still no one did invincibles... trebles are done by others
@@krishkr7 arsenal cheated against portsmouth and scraped draws lol. No way in hell better than city's treble
@@krishkr7 u can technically go unbeaten in a season and still win nothing. Aim of football is to win trophies
@@jattyuppal9615we don’t care about your technicalities
Mental to want an unbeaten run over three trophies. From an Arsenal fan
Depends on the trophies
Cuz there is gold any unbeaten epl while u hold flusk colours in a treble nothing much
Suppose it's because it's not been done before in the prem, but the treble has been done by both manchester teams
@@MogemannJust because someone else has done it doesn't downgrade the achievement lol. Only Arsenal fans think like that.
A treble is still a treble.
So you dont want to win the ucl or league as well because teams have won that before?
@@smol6193nobody said we didn't want it. We said we wouldn't swap for it.
"Invincibles is worth 3 Champions Leagues"
"I wouldn't swap four PL titles in a row for one invincibles"
This Arsenal fan is Ty level deluded. Thats genuinely mental.
Lol invincible isnt worth 3 champions leugues. More like 2
Lol. There’s footage of Turkish saying he would rather win the title to close the gap with LFC and Utd than win CL. 🤐
It the only thing they have
@@ultimatechakra3162more like 1/3😂😂😂
@@andrewwright4195 and the one thing none of you have
real conversation about how overblown the Arsenal invincibles are. Juventus Invincibles don’t ramble on about it. Leverkusen just had a more impressive invincible season than Arsenal and everyone has moved on. Arsenal fans are stuck in 04 because they haven’t done much since!
AC Milan had an invincible season aswell, but AC Milan and Juve fans don`t overblow it because both of those clubs have had a great history and it isn`t really a big deal.
But obviously it is the only thing Arsenal thinks matter, which i get with it being such a small club.
and their fanbase has such a limited mindset.
The premier league is a much harder league to do it though I think we can agree that yeh?
Juventus and leverkusen 😂 They play in a piss poor league that's why they don't talk about it. Not to mention they'd talk about it in German and Italian I'd guess, suppose you talk both of those languages and follow both fan bases?
@@ValgniTehki
Leverkusen is still very new, so we won't know how that will be spoken about historically.
However AC Milan did it in a time when the Italian league was much better in comparison than the Premier League now.
It's totally not that big a deal at all. Probably because they have 7 champions leagues to bring up that each outshines an unbeaten season.
Ajax did it aswell in a time when the Dutch League was probably the 2nd strongest in the world. Most of their fans don't even know when it happened.
For Arsenal it's basically the only little thing they have left to hang on to.
@@Jordy4610A quick search will show you that AC Milan fans celebrate it every season. No other team in the prem has ever done it, sort of shows how difficult it is to do and especially when you didn't unfairly buy it. Also arsenal and milan did it back when football was real and not the pretend shit we have today.
Saying you wouldn’t swap the invincibles for 3 champions leagues is absolutely insane and sad
No because it’s rare 😉
How many teams in England have been invincible in the last 100 years?
@@libby4608 yes because CL is 80 % fluke and depends on luck in the opponents u meet , u need 12 fluke games to win CL but need 38 games to go unbeaten in the EPL
I wouldn’t. That’s a company of one.
@@barugambireismailismail1688btw Arsenal got 90 points in that season (not even a top 10 tally all time) they won one trophy and never defended the league title. The invincibles fall short on every category
Fun fact: Arsene wenger himself said that hed happily swap the invincibles trophy for a champions league in a heartbeat 😂
And Fergie said the Invincible is the better than all of his achievement of league titles he's won. Ur point is? 💀
Jog on mate!
Cmon cityyyy💙💙💙💙💙
@@BestInTheWorld13x the difference is you are lying
@@Eleas76 he’s not lying, instead of typing that here you could have checked google.
Invincibles got ninty points which meant they won the league but no way does it come close to a treble a domestic treble, 100 points, 4 in a row.
I am an Arsenal Fan and I agree with most of what you say but (4 on the trot aside) the treble has been done in my life time twice. Where as going unbeaten all season hasn't. And with all the great teams about through those years has to say something for that achievement.
Difference is in the golden trophy u get for going unbeaten but if u don't u keep many platinum cups in your yard 😂
Its simple really arsenal peaked at the invincible season then they fell off so their fans which there are many hold on to that moment and ovvertate it@@belowaverageplayer9212
@@belowaverageplayer9212 Bayern leverkussen went unbeaten last season and liverpool were close with 1 game away, and on top of that winning a invincibles season and winning nothing major afterwards for 20 years still makes u garbage the last 20 years.
Liverpool did better than the Arsenal invincibles when they finished second to City in their centurian season. They lost games and still gained more points in a second place finish!
If you said to any football fan in the world if they’d rather have a treble or an invincible season then 100% of them would say the treble. That includes Arsenal fans if they were actually honest with themselves. You’d be an absolute idiot to turn down 3 trophies over 1, especially when 1 of those 3 is a bigger than the 1 you get. It’s lunacy.
You can get relegated and be invincible.
@@voetbal12 not if u do it the arsenal way. that is y it's unique. use ur brain
and if u asked every football fan in the world which club is the bigger in history arsenal or city and they were honest with themselves then 100% of them would say the ARSENAL, That includes city fans.You’d be an absolute idiot to say city, especially when you haven't even matched their trophy cabinet.
@@davidbeck4814 Let’s say if you were a tennis player and one year you won a Grand Slam without dropping a single set. Great achievement. What does it show? Well it shows you won your tournament comfortably and you’re good. Now let’s say another person the following year wins 3 Grand Slams out of the 4 on offer. What does that prove? It proves they’re the current most dominant and definitive player in the entire sport. That’s the difference.
It's about fucking time that people call out that Invincible nonsense. Every human being that prefers an "Invincible" season over a treble should be institutionalized. It's absolutely impossible to have a rational debate with some Arsenal fans...
It seems you've missed the irony in your own argument. You're criticizing others for being impossible to debate rationally, yet your stance is so extreme that it leaves no room for discussion. Suggesting that people should be institutionalized for having a different opinion is hardly conducive to rational debate. Perhaps it's worth considering that the problem isn't just with 'some Arsenal fans,' but with anyone who takes such an inflexible position.
biggest argument for invincible is, it is rarer so more precious. Thus, the special golden trophy. And before you start the draw things, no you need two things to become invinsible 1.win a trophy 2. do it undefeated
Only a deluded person would argue that invincibles is a more achievement than having a treble...⚽️⚽️⚽️🙄
not really. Plenty of teams have won a treble, how many have been unbeaten?
Leverkusen last season
@@Jimbo_Jumboso youd rather win 1 trophy than 3 including a trophy that your club never won
@@yongan2422 premier league bro. We don't care about Germany🤣
@@denzell6648 invincibles is more of an "achievement" because it is far more rare than winning a treble.
Invincibles this invincibles that what have you done after that
i see what youre saying but people dismiss invincibles wayyy too easily and as utd fan they have the right to show it off
Treble this treble that but how many people have to do it until it’s boring and how many chargers does it take to make one invalid
It was after that we had the Russian mafia at Chelsea then the dirty oil money arabs at City.
We have Bottled trophies 😊
Just accept it City will never achieve that record they will never be invisibles
Usually arsenal fans get bullied in these
But Turkish is a well spoken representation of arsenal fans, so it's bless 😂
We like Turkish a lot. Keeps it real
But he's invincibles argument is completely deluded and he's straight up lying to himself
@@SPORTbiblenext time bring on TY lol
@@Nicho213007it's not cuz an invicibe trophy means u taking a golden epl while the 2 clubs that have trebles all got platinum cups 😂😂
He's deluded
Nice convo by two of the most knowledgeable fans on the internet.
Although Turkish is going to die on that invincibles hill though!
Come on city.
"We've got a 100 points"
The other guy should've said that "you've also got 115 charges" that wouldve tilted him
Arsenal, Man United , Liverpool achieved through consistent sports success. They built success on decades and decades of sports success that bought financial capability. Man City were relegation fodder .. oil money is the only reason for City success.
Those three clubs have consistently broken rules during a time where football wasn’t as serious or popular.
I'm an Arsenal fan, but this is ridiculous. It's as though smaller clubs can't try to be big anymore. We're not okay with the super league because there's some sort of elitist nonsense, but whenever a smaller club like City, PSG, Newcastle, tries to be big from large funds coming in, then oh they will never be the same. Oil money.
People who discredit City due to oil money are hypocrites.
@@9751_what rules
@@andrewng7742they’re nothing without the oil money. Nothing.
Comment after u finish smoking mate
This Man City fan misunderstands history, it’s not just success. Arsenal have never left the first division, fans passing down through generations for over a century. I was in secondary school in 2008 when Man City was invented. Everton has more history than city
Steve should have said. You can go a whole season invincible but not win it. It means absolutely zero. It a nice caviate to winning the league that's it. Its like winning the title and your stiker won the golden boot also.
Im sorry to tell you Arsenalfans, but i can assure you that NO ONE in the world besides you think "invincibles" trophy is bigger or better than 1 CL. Its not even close.
These kind of convos start to be more and more uncomfortable every year for Arsenal fans haha. Steve is right, to be at the big boys table, you need a Champions League. Arsenal not having a Champions League is the reason why Mbappé never considered Arsenal as a choice, when he was ready to go to Liverpool (and if City was interested, he would have considered them as well). As a foreigner (I'm French) I can guarantee you that abroad, Arsenal is seen as a second tier kinda club (like a Dortmund for example). Even Nasri said in a interview that Arsenal is the kind of club you go before going to a bigger club. And if Arsenal don't win anything this year, Saliba is 100% doing the same. It's up to Arsenal to change this image they have but I feel like they have no intention of doing so, as we could se with the last transfer window
Fabregas isn't in the same world as KDB, that's a horrendous bias
Lol
Kripple de Biscuits ghosts in big games.
I agree but I wish Fabregas was in a better Arsenal team.
@@7ChaosBlack Has more G/A in the CL Knockouts than fucking Salah, you absolute clown
One made an assist for his country in extra time to win the world cup. The other has bottled every opportunity he had with his national team
Champions of Europe you’ll never sing that 😅
Playthings of the mafia.
neither can you since all those plastic trophies are tainted by corruption cheating and charges - no1 respects that plastic "treble"
Even if im willing to concede that city are more successful than Arsenal,
There are two problematic facts that remain:
1. Arsenal will always be a bigger club in terms of the size of the fanbase
2. There is a huge question mark and potential stain on City's entire success, that is their pending 115 charges...
Time will tell whether they will be able to rub this stain off their legacy,
but i'm pretty sure there's a public consensus that this is NOT a coincidence
naa turkish is moving mad on that Fabregas vs De Bruyne debate. I'm an Arsenal fan and De bruyne clears by a country mile 💀
Na fabreags done it at arsenal barca and chelsea
I said the same
@@tungi_halmegiso just because KDB stayed at City for almost 10 years and only did it there and at Wolfsburg Fabregas is better? Don’t make sense that
@@Mcbikey24 fabregas done it all with club and country from 17 years old
@@tungi_halmegi good for him. He’s still not better than KDB by any means
All this big club talk and City have no history is hilarious cos if we wanna be really honest about history: Arsenal bribed their way into to the first division. Had the nickname “Bank of England”, Man City won their first FA cup 20+ years before Arsenal. No one in our lifetime has seen Arsenal retain the league title. City have seen things Arsenal will never see and Arsenal are supposed to be the bigger club 🤣 130+ years and no European pedigree? Arsenal fans need to humble themselves a little bit.
All these verbal gymnastics but football is about trophies right? So who has won more trophies in their history Man City or Arsenal? Who's been relegated more times? Who were Man City before the oil money came in losing 8-1 to Middlesbrough? Do not even try and chat about Man City vs Arsenal in history.
And city are on trial right now for 115 breaches of financial fair play which were the catalyst to their success.
Stfu
@@kevin084life Apparently City have no history or it’s sportwashing, but fans of these big clubs don’t even know their own clubs history. You wouldn’t even have your trophies if it wasn’t for your corruption in the 1930’s. Only team in english football history to be promoted to the first division undeservedly. Know your history you plastic.
@@kevin084life Apparently City have no history or it’s sport washing, but fans of these big clubs don’t even know their own clubs history. You wouldn’t even have trophies if it wasn’t for your corruption in the 1930’s. Only team in English football history to be promoted to the first division undeservedly. Know your history you plastic 👍🏾
You’ve been relegated more times than you’ve won a league title. Your ‘history’ points more towards failure and mediocrity than success; I’m sure if Arsenal spent the 2nd most amount of money in PL history instead of having a negative net spend they’d have seen more success. There are only two decades since the 1930s where Arsenal haven’t won a title - just because City suddenly pop up after being bought into relevance then they become bigger?
As for the bribery, that is just speculative nonsense. It has never been proved. The reason why they were called a ‘Bank of England’ club is because they were MAKING record amounts of money (things like being the first club to make £100,000 from ticket sales alone), which they had every right to spend - City on the other hand would never be the club they are if they hadn’t been arbitrarily bought by Abu Dhabi.
That's all arsenal fans say invincibles invincibles
Turkish forgot to talk about the values of the club, with pride fan base, racial community and all of the things... the "not spend alot of money" and things like that... thats why Arsenal is big, not only for the trophies
@@marcosilva2319Arsenal are not bigger you're braindead 😂
@@marcosilva2319great trophies those are
@@marcosilva2319 Funny as I seem to remember Arsenal tried to shut up Ozil when he was speaking about the mistreatment of muslims in china as it upset sponsors. Actions speak louder than virtue signals.
I also say; record number of FA cup wins. Best league finish; anfield '89, best ever player; Thierry Henry. 3rd most trophy won in English football. History, class and tradition. Nobody cares about cheating city and never will.
My hope is for Arsenal to go invincible and city win the league by 10 pts to show how it stacks up
My hope is for Arsenal to win the CL, and for City fans to shut up until they won another 4 more league titles to speak again
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As a Chelsea fan, I'd rather a treble or quad than going unbeaten 🤷♂️
Arsenal bigger with no European titles 💀
As a City fan. Even if Erling gets 300 PL goals he won’t have a better legacy than Henry. Henry was unplayable, terrified the best defenders. Truly looked like a man playing against kids. He was the 3rd best player in the world better two of the greatest players in the history of the game. He’d get 50 a season now.
Going unbeaten in a whole season is such an arbitrary stat that Arsenal fans hold on to. If van nistelrooy puts that penalty a foot lower at old Trafford or the ref doesn’t give a pen for the pires dive that season and Arsenal had a loss on their record then that team wouldn’t even be considered in the top 5 teams to win the league. Are you telling me it’s more impressive to have 38 draws in a season than 37 wins and 1 loss just because you’ve gone ‘unbeaten’?
38 draws doesn't win the league😂 so I don't understand this how this makes sense
Only an Arsenal fan would say going invincible is better than winning 3 trophies 😂😂.. Only an Arsenal fan would say the pl is better than the cl😢😢
Why haven’t City gone a season without losing a game if it’s so easy? 😂
Arsenal have more trophies than city
@@morgan3714
How many trophies have you witnessed?
@@michaelelah8106 why does that matter, arsenal have more trophies than city end off
@@Dept-of-Agriculturebecause for City they want to win all competitions. And its more important to win titles than go unbeaten… City has like 4 titles where they gained more points than the invincibles did, which makes those 4 more impressive
I genuinely don’t think any actual match going Arsenal fan would want the invincibles over a treble. Invincible season was cool but tbh it’s more of a gimmick. If pep, fergie, klopp or mourinho really wanted to park the bus in a few big games to go invincible they 100% could have
Think Turkish is one of the few and sensible arsenal fans around that are not deluded. Steve is the best City representative on the social media. Good video. Turkish and Steve fought today on big six but those two are mature enough
Is City bigger Arsenal?? This Steve guy is horrendous.
@@notorious_nrsa i am a city fan I personally beleive that as an institution we are close to Crossing arsenal and we have already crossed them when it comes to sporting achievements. We have 10 league titles to Arsenal's 13 and have more European trophies than arsenal. So yeah I don't believe we are yet but will be soon.
@sankulpandey9388 Bro, it ain't just about achievements all in all. Fanbase, culture, and other stuff. City aren't ahead in any way. Have you seen the Arsenal community in Africa?? You can win more league titles than Arsenal. It won't increase your fanbase to the level of Arsenal
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The fact City don’t go unbeaten every season is embarrassing 😂
@@x_MVP The fact Arsenal haven’t won the Champions League is embarrassing
@@9751_ it is but then again so is one champions league after 18 years of unlimited money
@@9751_ the fact city and chelsea fans think they're bigger than Arsenal FC is embarrassing
Arsenal are nothing more than the red spurs 😂😂
As a United fan ive seen Henry take the ball at half way glide past multiple defenders bang it side net and slide.
I think Haaland could become a better striker.. better player? Not for me.
I seen Paulo wanchope do that at old Trafford 😂 means nowt
@@BigSteveMcfc Steve, I think you're missing my point and I think you know what I'm talking about when I talk about the overall player.
Anyways nice wind up attempt. Also I didn't diss Haaland.
I am a Liverpool fan and I agree to the Steve point of view Invincibles : got 12 draws centurion city is bigger season for me
You're not a Liverpool fan, 115 cheats, there trophies mean nothing
To me Leicester City 2016 epl is bigger than city's centurion
Your 2018/19 and 19/20 team are better than the invincibles! If they were playing at the same time that league is Liverpool’s
@@barugambireismailismail1688
Thats the biggest achievement in football history
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy no the reason is because Leicester won without ant 115 reasons
Turkish's debating skills is impressive. Steve did well too.
Turkish said he wont swap invisibles for 3 ucl, Turkish please stop
Rival fans just want arsenal to stop praising invisibles they see it as a normal trophy win nothing special thats why comments are supporting yhis man city guy but for me if its not special then also chelsea 2005 and man city 100 points not special
Big Steve preaching the truth
Real club >>>> sportswashing haven
REAL CLUB HAS A UCL
@@waryaosman4055wat a sad adult
@@waryaosman4055a UCL that required cheating to get
whatever helps you cope with bottling time and again 🤣🤣🤣
@@KamikazeTj10 enjoy court 😁 Man Diddy FC
Liverpool fan here with my opinions:
1) Saka over Foden simply because Foden is constantly surrounded by world class players and we haven’t seen him shine like Saka in a team that is building.
2) Invincibles cannot be the answer to everything…Turkish sounds like Ty from AFTV…however, if Turkish made the argument that City’s success was based on breaches of Financial Fair Play, then under those circumstances, City’s achievements are tarnished and not really true success (if a result of “cheating”)
On paper, Arsenal is a bigger club.
3) Depending on the result of the 115 charges, City are the likely favourites. The beginning of the season means little. City has come back over and over again and can never be counted out.
Every season someone has to win all of the trophies.
Sometimes, very rarely, the same team wins more than 1.
There is no guarantee that someone goes unbeaten though. That’s why it’s special.
You can win a cup by not being the best team in the competition, you are not going invincible for 38 games in the premier league if you’re not the best.
But after saying all of that, I’d rather the treble 😂
I just think it’s harder to go unbeaten.
7:27 STEVE SPEAKING FACTS!!!!!!!!!! One rule for us another rule for everyone else!
Man City are now bigger than Arsenal. Every season they're adding trophys. Arsenal may have more fans globally, but that's changing very slowly.
@@5thdawg917 nothing is changing if 90% epl fans don't watch city games if they're not playing any top 4 team ,I've seen gurdiola begging city fans to fill their 45k sitter stadium of late
@@barugambireismailismail1688 where did you pull that stat from 😂😂😂
@@etempt8218out his ass
Man City’s not a real club it’s a sports washing project made up of plastic fans
@barugambireismailismail1688 City is most watched game globally.
All the people saying that Chelsea or City are bigger than Arsenal just base it on the number of European cups but no one would say that Villa or forrest are bigger than gunners.
Well their not villa or forrest and city already won UCL plus 4 peat league title while arsenal kept bottling twice each year
It's not just based on the European cups. Arsenal has 13 league title and city has 10. Add to that all the accomplishment city has the 4 peat, treble, centurions, 4 domestic trophies a season.
City has the achievements to back it. They are a bigger club.
@@samkkx Not even an Arsenal fan but City aren't a bigger club at all. It takes more than a few years of domination with oil money to be a big club.
@@johnorange1970 so what makes a club big? Is it the trophies because City has them? Is it the fan following? If that's the case than Chelsea are easily bigger? What is it except nostalgia or not wanting to believe it? Why isn't there a case for City to be bigger than Arsenal?
I am not sure about Europe but I know city have a bigger fan following than Arsenal in Asia, N.America and S.America .
But that was the arguement before City won so many titles. The usual banter was not winning the CL... So now you're all moving the goalpost
Arsenal aren’t even bigger than City anymore arsenal have 13 premier league titles and City have 10 but most of arsenal titles were in the 1930s I think it’s unquestionable that City is a bigger team than arsenal
city are levels clear of arsenal in every metric. city were already a bigger club before the ucl and left arsenal behind a long time ago. the gap is massive.
Course they are
Only one team has 13 Premier League titles and that's man utd. What you are referring to are league titles. Remember that the premier league only started in 1992/93.
@@naveenj2284you bought all your trophies w arab money, you will always be a plastic club
The Arsenal>
@@basicaccount4315you beat me 😅
Absolutely excellent video! Great guests.
0:35 Transitioning from not winning leagues to not winning leagues 😂😂
Bottom line:
1. Arsenal are a bigger club than Man City
2. City have better trophy records than Arsenal
3. Nobody mentioned the 115 elephants in the room
4. Arsenal aren't the only English club to go Invincible. Preston North End and Liverpool had invincible seasons too
5. Steve won this individual debate, despite Turkish's respectful responses
City are comfortably bigger than arsenal. Arsenal haven't acted like a big club for 20 years.
@@naveenj2284 You're confusing "big club" with "currently successful"... Just because Leicester were successful in 2016, does that make them a bigger club than Nottingham Forest or even Blackburn Rovers? Besides, there's 115 reasons why City have been successful in the past decade, whereas Arsenal have success that's rooted throughout history. And I'm not an Arsenal fan either.
@@gsdrums47 if u wanna go off that logic, everything arsenal have achived is down to corruption and bribery. which is proven unlike city who are innocent atm and are facing allegations.
"uccess that's rooted throughout history" either ur incredibly delusional or a closeted arsenal fan. or both cuz arsenal are known to have the most deluded fanbase in the world. 20 years without a title and nearly 5 years without any piece of silverware.
@@gsdrums47115 have nothing tk do with football. You saying as if City has been accused or cheating when they are not.
European treble,domestic treble (never been done bar city) 4 leagues on the spin 4 league cups on the spin,most league goals in a season 108 most points in a season 100 that’s just the tip of the iceberg get to bed arsenal
We also knock shearer record off with Haaland 36 in a season
And KDB is tied with Thierry Henry’s assist record, could’ve even beaten it if the FA didn’t tick one off
City did'nt go unbeaten but still managed to rack up more points than them in their centurian season which should tell you that the opposition that Arsenal faced in their "invincible" season is not comparable to even the likes of Liverpool who finished second to City that season and finished with more points than Arsenal did in their invincible season. This 'invincible" shit is redundant.
This was a good debate all around..nothing seemed far fetched for entertainments sake.. 🔥
Invincibles will likely never happen again but it doesn’t really show the strength of the side and is a bit of a gimmick trophy.
For context Liverpool only had one loss in 18/19 and had 7 points more than the invincibles…they came second
The mental strength and consistency it takes to avoid any loses over 38 PL games is more taxing than just attaining as many points as possible tbh
@@Dept-of-Agriculture wins are harder than draws..
@@Do27gg I agree, but not losing for a whole PL season is even harder.
@@Dept-of-Agriculture idk I think winning more games and getting more points is harder, you can lose a game by one goal of complete misfortune. Invincibles won’t happen again tho and I’d much more rare
Arsenal fans keep saying theyve won thirteen titles because they are ashame to mention that they have won three prem league titles alone they
Liverpool are bigger than both of our clubs because they have won nineteen league titles and six european cups
Literally no one cares when city wins because the whole club is artificial. It's like some all star team with unlimited budget.
so u count Liverpools league title before pl but arsenal fans can't. make that make sense
@@davidbeck4814 some absolute helmets on here 😂
COME ON CITY
I’m an Arsenal fan living in Australia. I watch all their games, regardless if it’s a 11:30pm 2:30am 4:30am kick offs. As great as it was to have the season of invincible, not winning the champions league in that era I feel was the biggest disappointment considering the talent we had on the park. Given the choice of winning the treble or going undefeated, I would definitely have to choose the treble. Even breaking the record heels by Nottingham Forest for the unbeaten sequence doesn’t make up for no champions league.!!!
The word "vavoom" was first used in the 1950s, and the earliest known use of the phrase "va-va-voom" was in the 1954 song "Va Va Va Voom" by A. Carney
What is Henry's legacy, though??
lmao pardon
You what mate?
@@TurkishLDN legend
World Cup winner, Barca treble, invincible and prem winner???
He was & still the most exciting player the PL ever seen he's the type of player you would pay way to watch.....schooling the galacticos at the bernabeu, single handledy rearing a remontada against Liverpool, his gobsmacking flick-turn volley against man utd to name a few
Turkish got manhandled by Steve in this Debate 🤷🤣
manhandled?? dude mancity will never reach the history of arsenal
@@bukhariapdelahi7072 they already and Surpassed it in quiet Huge Fashion. First English Club to win 4 in a row, first English Club to get over 100 points. Just remember where Treble winners and we have a Champions league, arsenal are a big club but there not a big European club
@@nayara6058Arsenal have 13 league titles to City's 10, 14 FA cups to City's 7. Both won one cup winners cup. The ONLY thing you have over arsenal is ONE champions league. You guys keep talking about records but 100 points still only equals one league title. We still have more lol. The bottom line is Arsenal have won more league titles and FA cups AND more trophies overall. Arsenal have millions of fans all over the world meanwhile City can't even fill the emptihad.
@@stephen-fu2ls 13 division titles or is that 13 actual premier leagues ? And also you forgot to mention only clubs in England that have the Treble which only the elite have is City and United, you forgot to mention the Treble, until you don’t win the champions league you will not be a big European club, let’s not forget half of arsenal fans used to walk out Emptyrates before half time when arteta was managing a few years back, let me know when you win the champions league sonny or even the treble
@@nayara6058 Mate the league didn't start in 2012 lol. You're showing your age now. The premier league was a branding thing to create more money of course we have to count the league titles before that, its just a name change, it's the same league lol. And the bottom line is Arsenal have 3 more leagues than City and 7 more FA cups. City were in league one when Arsenal did a double in 1998. Those fans walked out in one of the worst periods of the clubs history (finishing 8th not being in league one) City are in the MOST successful period of their history and still can't fill the emptihad. 100 points equals 1 league title. City's records are great and all but Arsenal still have more league titles more fa cups more trophies overall and more fans but you think you're bigger. You guys are so deluded.
Erling Haaland has already outdone Henry.
Back to back PL titles, Treble, PL goals haul, PL hat tricks, etc.
Always entertaining watching these two 👊🏼
Saying city is a bigger club than Arsenal is absolutely shambolic
It’s not
lol @itsSloMo your name kinda suits the way you think… look up what City have won in comparison to Arsenal, or just listen to the facts that Big Steve is speaking. Arsenals history of failures makes them the bigger club in that way 😂
@@itsSloMo ... if you live in the past.
Arsenal is 5x bigger than City. Are they a more successful club in the last 20 years? Clearly not
@@brady338 yeah I agree arsenal are bigger but it’s not a shambolic thing to say
What about this argument, their are 2 treble winning teams from the EPL and only one invincible, could that not say it all?
you don’t play to not lose in sport, you play to win
This is too logical for most
Leverkusen just did it, Juventus did it, are they as good as that Arsenal team?
@@DNYGdjNo, you are too delusional to understand that you follow a small club with bottling mentality.
Anyone would lose a few games and win 3 trophies rather than draw games in league to go undefeated and bottle other trophies
Almost threw up when Turkish strongly agreed Fabregas is better that KDB
Henry had much more competition than haaland for the golden boot… much better strikers at the time.
Two proper lads tbh 😂 good discussion enjoyed it
115 charges, let's just wait how many titles they will have after the trial
even if the titles are taken,they still played great football and won them
@@resegxwith players they got through sports-washing, yep
@@Dept-of-Agriculture sports washing or not, they play good football
@@resegx if the titles are taken, it means they cheated
@@morgan3714 the point is they won the titles by playing good football
Wow this Steve guy is really delusional. There’s a difference between our success (Man Utd fan) and 115s success. Same with every other proper club they could buy 10 trebles in a row they’ll never touch the size of proper organic clubs with a deep rich history trophies doesn’t define how big you are the story behind them, the fans and the influence defines how big a club is .
Also forgot to say club legends are also a huge part of how big a club is and Man City can’t chat to any big 6 club when it comes to legends.
@@BenWilkes-c9nAguero, Silva, Walker, Yaya, KDB, Rodri, Kompany, Haaland, Ederson can chat to literally any club’s legends. Not to mention Bernardo, Fernandinho, Gundogan, etc. Foden will go down as the most decorated English player ever. Ederson best ever GK with his feet in football history. Aguero top 3 PL striker, Haaland record goalscorer. KDB inarguably top 3 midfielders in PL history if not the best outright. Rodri already sits alongside Kante, Makelele, Busquets, Vieira. The only position City can’t really chat to other clubs is wingers (other than Mahrez). Any other slander from you or others is just hate. Not only did City win a first division title over 100 years ago, they were the first Manchester club to win the FA Cup as well. Centurions, 198 points over two seasons, domestic quadruple, continental treble, four titles in a row, six in seven years (only beaten by Liverpool’s best ever side in that time). Give it up already. City is a MASSIVE club whether you like it or not.
@@LeominsterFCwoah I appreciate the passion but you’re talking in some crazy hypotheticals lol. But I do absolutely agree that we have a ton legends tho! People need to put more respect on Fernandinho!
@@BenWilkes-c9nwe can chat to all of the big 6ix wtf 😂😂 ESPECIALLY topspur
Right there’s such a massive difference… because United NEVER cheated and NEVER spent money and NEVER gained bandwagon glory-hunting fans…
City is nowhere near Arsenal FC. Something I expect a delusional and uneducated fan to say, its not even a debate😂
'Nowhere near', alright mate 😂
@@DJBusinessCake yes, ur 13 yrs of success doesnt surpass Arsenal who have the main 4 of being a big club. Uve been relegated and won the 2nd division title more times we've won the league and u think ur on our level cuz of a CL win in Istanbul. Allow it younger lmao
@BestInTheWorld13x Come back when joke club Arsenal win a European treble , a domestic quadruple, most points in a season, 4 titles in a row and record for most goals in a season 😂
@BestInTheWorld13x our achievements are already better than yours hahaa and it's only been 13 years, just imagine another 13 years lol
@@DJBusinessCake man said better achievements but still didn't validate a point to being bigger than my club lol🤦🏾♂️. Talk to the other yutes ur age cuz I don't take ur fans seriously, uneducated as hell. Safe 👍🏾
Embarassing to call Manchester City a bigger club than Arsenal. Arsenal have more league titles, more FA Cups, more fans - The only thing Manchester City have more of is Champions Leagues and they only have the one.
Two different era's of football, you cant compare. Football was a mans game when Arsenal went unbeaten. No VAR and a two footed tackle was par for the course. We played european football in a time when teams like AC, inter, barca, real, utd and even porto were great. City just havent had that level of competition in europe. fair play theyve won a european cup, but being at highbury and watching Henry, Bergkamp, Pires etc go unbeaten was a joy to behold. in fact i believe the year we did that city played David james upfront in a game?!?! banter.
Why did you say you can’t compare but then went on to compare city’s squad at that time with the invincible’s squad lol
@@TaxEvader22 that’s not a comparison.
Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal top 3 with history, Neither been in the 3rd tier of football 😮. 13 title's and 3 double's. Unbeaten 2004 Invincibles FACT
13v 10 tit;es . 0 ucl though
You cannot be serious.
@@grealish2234If Arsenal win 1 CL, they’ll be miles ahead again not even a debate. But even without they’re still top 3
@@Dept-of-Agriculture arsenal cant win a UCL and hence not a great club . 0 european legacy and no PLs in 21 years is damning
@@grealish2234 Well Arsenal’s UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1994, and won a PL (13) in almost every decade since 1930s.
City won 8/10 of theirs within past 12 years, last before that in 1968 ... 44 years between PLs lol @ City “history”
I agree...City have done it... with 115 charges in that...yep they have.
If u wanna go by that logic, arsenals entire history up to now has been down to bribery. 😂 city are innocent of any wrongdoing ATM. While arsenal bribed their way into the league
@naveenj2284 where did you get that from? City aren't innocent lol...they were charged by UEFA couple of years ago and proven guilty.
Steve cooked here
Good debate for once both gave respect to each team decent to watch
The treble is more difficult. Going unbeaten back then wasn't as tough as today. The greatest unbeaten league season achievement is Leverkusen. Because they shouldn't have even gotten close to the title, let alone win it. Teams try to get as many points as possible, rather than play more defensive and hope to go unbeaten. Sometimes, that can cost you. For example, in 2020/21 Man United didn't go for the win in several away games, to keep their away unbeaten run going and in the end, that cost them. If they win 4 and lose 3 of the 7 games they drew. That's 5 extra points. They also ended up losing and drawing a few games that they could have easily won. I mean, they still would have lost the title in 2021, but the margins would have been much closer
I agree City have 115 reasons to be a bigger club then Arsenal.
@@teputhtu clarify just 1 of them reasons please mate. You have 115 to choose from apparently.
@@TheSkrillaManwouldn’t bother, they can’t name any of the charges😂
@@islaremon4654Anyone with common sense can which Man City fans lack 😂😂😂😂
10 league titles including a treble, 4 in a row, centurions, formidables >>> Arsenals fugazi 13 leagues won mostly prior to 1945
It’s Actually crazy when you think about it but arsenal even in the late 90s and early 200s won 3 titles only how is that a big club
City buying 10 league titles >>>>>>>>>>>>>
the reason why arsenal have won many league titles back then is because they have history unlike city…
Their legends are freaking aguero, kompany, David silva etc… recent legends 😂😂 how dare you try to advocate you are bigger than arsenal.. embarrassing.
@@riaz6386 legends is an irrelevant debate and i’m sorry Arsenal will never be able to talk to Chelsea or Manchester City without a champions league
@@CityPerspectivewow! Even with a ucl, you are still smaller than arsenal..also how is legends irrelevant? It’s a point. A point on how recent your club was winning trophies after being bought by a Saudi owner because before that you were NOTHING. 😂
This is why Arsenal is a small and banter club: 'I wouldn't swap treble for invincibles.'
Great exchange. Thank you guys..
Turkish, great quote about making a profit in a Summer when we need to close the gap on Man City. Thank you for holding the standards high.
Man City need to win a trophy without charges against them
You need to touch a girl without charges brev
@@Solarr17 wtf , sounds like you’ve had previous experiences with that brev 😭👈
Every city achievement has 115 * next to them.
Get some new material. 115 is getting old!
Yet United spent more than us in the last decade and where did that get them 😂
I don't understand why rival fans bash Arsenal for the Invincibles season - IMO it's more of an achievement than the treble. Both City and United have won the treble but Arsenal are the only team in all of English history to go an entire league season unbeaten - Less teams have done it which demonstrates it's difficulty - Would happily concede this had another club in England done it, but they haven't, and until they do, this stands as the highest achievement in the game.
Preston did it. Don't say all of English history
You could go invincible with 38 draws and get relegated, it's not as impressive as a treble. Fact.
Not sure how you quantify club size but in terms of weight of individual achievements centurions, fourmidables, treble and four in a row is definitely more impressive than just invincibles
The fact that leverkeusen almost won a treble unbeaten is more impressive than the one league invincible
Aura of going invincible after saying you're going to do it, versus aura of oil treble with charges attached 💀
City’s history goes back 12 years and that’s literally coming back up from relegation 🤣🤣
Coming back from relegation is history no? 🤣🤣 so so dumb 🤡
The past 12 years of City's history is bigger than Arsenal's entire history.
Champions league, 8 PL, 4 in a row , treble, 100 points, 4 domestic trophies a season. All in the past 12 years Arsenal fans could only dream about it.
And I ain't even trolling.
@@samkkx All that City ‘history’ only happened since 2011 😂 Arsenal has won a PL in almost every decade since 1930s, that’s real history!
@@samkkxlol 2016 Leicester City epl is bigger than all those 4 City epl trophies 😂😂
@crunchysauce United won most of their trophies in 2 decades of dominance, so that means that's not history? People are making stuff up about what's history and what's not.
The official last charge was in 2018 so Asrenal,Ole and Klopp ain't getting any titles😂😂😂😂
You have 2 league titles and 4 fa cups
imagine celebrating that lol when you literally have 115 charges.. ig thats city for you
Did he really say that Liverpool haven’t won the title in 30 years? Check again mate
Yes...for 30 years Liverpool had not won the league...
Had not
32W and 4D in 38 games is by far more impressive than 26W and 12D
yep it is
Not wanting a treble over invincible is crazy. 1 trophy over 3 is madness.
Lol that's not even a trophy.
It's a trophy created by arsenal for themselves. Nobody gives a f**k about it
City dwarfs Arsenal
On fifa maybe.
@@wy837 Don't be delusional now.
Deluded Arsenal fans
7:35 Bro, dont even bring up or compare Liverpool against Arsenal. Theres Levels to this
I went to a preseason game in the States. You wouldn’t believe all the sky blue
Bro 😂 this is why i don't like arsenal fans no sense in anything they say
Turkish said he rather the invincibles than a Treble this guys sleeping 😂🤦🏾♂️