Big, big shoutout to Micah aka Kwonkicker. We all know him and love his channel. For everyone that does TKD, show your love! ua-cam.com/users/kwonkicker Here's the video teased at the end with Jerry's UA-camr crush: ua-cam.com/video/8UjTd8q1fsE/v-deo.html
Old school tkd is so cool. Like when crazy tkd kicks are done well, they're nothing short of the most stunningly amazing strikes in martial arts. And the old school guys train such that they're actually able to know how to do it well, it's simply fantastic
@@TheAceOfSpadezz pretty sure kwonkicker does itf not wtf, but I just mean people who train tkd in a way that focuses on developing speed and power and being effective in a fight, rather than being effective in point sparring. Anyone who does that is badass regardless of their federation :)
@@rylie8989 true but wtf is full contact and ata and itf are semi contact. you can look at his channel, he has the wtf on his dobok and he says hes wtf. it would make sense because itf is better with take downs and wtf is better with kicks. itf self defense is traditonal and old while wtf self defense is present day self defense. they're both great.
@@TheAceOfSpadezz no that's what I'm trying to tell you, when he talks about wtf tkd he's talking about doing old school wtf, ie before the introduction of electronic scoring
I know this guy channel for a long time, but I didn't knew that he competed in Thailand 9 years ago, very nice to discover that. Probably he was one of the first fighting youtubers.
Micah made a video on this. It's his spinning back kick. He teaches you how to add power and how to make it second nature. No flair. No fancy steps. Just you and the kick. I love his channel.
the spinning back kick (some styles call it a spinning side kick since the toes aren't pointed down) is the single most underrated move in striking. The power and explosiveness of a spinning back kick is incredible. From a tactics perspective, you can see from Kwonkicker (who I've followed for years and years, got great kicking tips from him back in the day), that a good spinning back kick is subtle. The Thai boxer doesn't even begin to react until half way through the kick, when Kwonkicker's shoulders start to rotate, and by then it's pretty much too late.
Currently, Taekwondo style fighters are not well seen in kickboxing/Muay Thai matches, but in the past, there were TKD based fighters who competed head-on with kickboxers and Muay Thai fighters and won a lot. Manson Gibson, Ignacio Capllonch, Serkan Yılmaz, Hassan Kassrioui, Steve Vick What they have in common is that they have some skill in boxing (sometimes they win with punchs), and their side kicks, back kicks, roundhouse kicks, spin kicks, and spinning back fists are beautifully fast and strong. Among them, Manson Gibson's style is truly unique and is a subject of study. His side kick's reach is really long, and he is very strong in clinch because he has done some amateur wrestling. Manson Gibson ua-cam.com/video/7oVVa2dZiYY/v-deo.html Ignacio Capllonch ua-cam.com/video/dAij0MOHLR0/v-deo.html Serkan Yılmaz ua-cam.com/video/yk4pg8dRRHo/v-deo.html Hassan Kassrioui ua-cam.com/video/Af6n2uKEzrc/v-deo.html Steve Vick ua-cam.com/video/He79A5h3Lm0/v-deo.html
@@FightCommentary Manson Gibson is not so widely accepted as a TKD legend, despite his pro-kickboxing record of over 100 matches, knocking out Muay Thai legend Changpuek Kiatsongrit and almost winning K-1 legend Ernesto Hoost (a draw). Maybe it was because he was black. Below are other TKD based fighters who have left their names as legends. Rick Roufus - American TKD Champion, American Kickboxing Legend ua-cam.com/video/44OIGDifY3U/v-deo.html Jerry Trimble - American TKD Champion, American Kickboxing Champion, Movie Actor ua-cam.com/video/YPnjnNGieEQ/v-deo.html Anthony Pettis - American TKD 3rd dan, former UFC Lightweight Champion ua-cam.com/video/RhgOtbbU1UM/v-deo.html Hwang Su Il (黄秀一) - The legend of Japanese ITF TKD. Served as the motion capture model for the character Hwoarang in the video game Tekken 3. ua-cam.com/video/9xfFcen_kfo/v-deo.html Moon Dae Sung (文大成) - 2004 Athens Olympic TKD 80kg class gold medalist, final match jumping spin kick KO ua-cam.com/video/1e4IqUmaEP8/v-deo.html
Kwonkicker show in one of his videos that Martial Taekwondo have punches techniques, I literally learned how to hit with my punches in Taekwondo thanks to him.
@@kmch7286 what would you define the main difference between kickboxing and taekwondo kicking tecnique is? From what i understand the kicking part in kickboxing comes from karate,so if we take out muay thai can we see a visible difference in kicking technique? Assuming that kickboxing and karate kicking are the same
Fanboys would say "the Muay Thai guy wasn't even that good", "that was a lucky shot because the Muay Thai guy wasn't paying attention". Kwonkicker used taekwondo in this match and won fair and square. A lot of Muay Thai fighters have this hidden ego where they crap on other martial arts when a Muay Thai fighter wins and when a Muay Thai fighter looses the fanboys make a million excuses on why. I once tried a Muay Thai gym and 2 of the teachers had egos bigger I could imagine. In a nutshell I didn't get treated right there and I left so I can do taekwondo and boxing and I've never been happier. There's a dark side to Muay Thai that no Muay Thai practitioner wants to reveal other than me and some other individuals who have the guts.
Fanboys are not the same as those practitioners. Most fanboys are not even a martial artist themselves. The majority of Muay Thai fighters have closed relationship with TKD, Sanda and Western Boxing.
Lol they're levels to Muay Thai fighters. You got small stadiums. Then you got the Proffesional levels stadiums! Lumpuinee and Rajdamnern . These guys have annihilated top Taekwondo/MT fighters.
Also yes, there is very dark side to Muay Thai. I'm Thai. Train world Champions. Unlike traditional arts we have a whenever, wherever mentality. If you are a (fighter)and can't make the cut. Then leave we don't give out belt rankings
@SPlinter Echelon Somrak is one of the most intelligent Muay Thai fighters ever. Saenchai, and Lerdsila are all from the same branch. As for pure Muay Boran not that I can think of.
Finally! I learned to kick properly from kwonkickers channel. I used his videos to convince my jujutsu teachers at the time to change how we throw hook kicks and high axe kicks.
That lower block definitely has to be a WTF thing. Sometimes I do notice some ITF practitioners do it, but it's a habit I see with sports practitioners because the coach would force them to do it. I've crossed trained between the two in my late teen. Anyway, that video was one of my favourites from him, and it really opened my eyes as to what TKD lacks. More like they waste time trainig for their own tournaments, when they could easily do a 30 min, after-class, kickboxing rules spar to really kick ass like Micah here.
With the WTF style then to ITF style, WTF does a little bit of striking but only to the torso but there's more kicking involved with sparring and ITF does a western boxing and with a combination of kicks in sparring.
this kick has in karate, in capoeira, and in taekwondo, and kickboxing, when this blow is applied, as we see in the video, hitting both the abdomen and the head, it is a knockout for sure. This is awesome channel.
That low guard block Kwon kicker did was something we used to do in my dojang all the time. it's pretty good for body kicks and if you have distance control you're safe
Hey man awesome video! You should do more Sanda vs Muay Thai videos though. Especially some ones where Sanda wins. I want to see what the Sanda guys in those videos do differently in those fights that the others don’t. Thanks!!
Muay Thai fighter here. I can assure you that just because we kick, we aren't going to not throw punches. That's why it's the art of eight limbs, not six.
Muay Thai's clinch game becomes irrelevant when Judo throws are allowed. It's a combat sport that plays to it's rules just like any other combat sport.
Agreed, others would say "the Muay Thai guy wasn't even that good", "that was a lucky shot because the Muay Thai guy wasn't paying attention". Kwonkicker used taekwondo in this match and won fair and square. A lot of Muay Thai fighters have this hidden ego where they crap on other martial arts when a Muay Thai fighter wins and when a Muay Thai fighter looses the fanboys make a million excuses on why. I once tried a Muay Thai gym and 2 of the teachers had egos bigger I could imagine. In a nutshell I didn't get treated right there and I left so I can do taekwondo and boxing and I've never been happier. There's a dark side to Muay Thai that no Muay Thai practitioner wants to reveal other than me.
@travis ok fanboy, I didn't mean this match in particular I mean in general when a Muay Thai fighter beats a person of a different style they ridicule them and almost never the other way around. You're just blind, take your ego and get out of here. Also why assume a Muay Thai fighter would kick my ass when you don't even know me and my capabilities and never even will? Knowing Muay Thai doesn't give an automatic win to the practitioner and here you are acting as if Muay Thai is perfect.
@7atenine22 I do practice Jiu-Jitsu. And I love it. I have practiced two striking arts formally and two informally, and while I do believe we need some fundamental striking, Jiu-Jitsu has most effectively prepared me to defend myself.
@7atenine22 I could totally understand being a little bit timid to get back into it after getting knocked out like that. although now that I'm too old to do it I really want to fight in the MMA but I'm too old but that's okay. One thing I like about Jiu-Jitsu is there's no such thing as being too old
@7atenine22 no I don't compete I just mean that you can be any age and start jiu jitsu. I signed up to study Jiu-Jitsu about 6 or 7 months ago now and I'm 50 years old. That's not to say that I might not compete just for the fun of it but it's not something that I'm really wanting to do as much as having the extra tools for self-defense. what I can say is that it seems to me that people are able to practice Jiu-Jitsu for a lot later in their life Dan other combat sports such as boxing or MMA etc.
Gotta stay away from that kick or stuff the kicks... Muay Thai Kid shoulda clinched all day, but he wanted to hang out in the kick range, it’s dangerous if the TKD guy has a brain, speaking from experience. So I personally don’t hang out and fight the long game, I do the hugging game.
Hey man, even though I enjoy your videos and always look forward for the new one, your constant shouting really puts me off. So much so that I always hit the mute button. Might wanna consider lowering your voice down a bit? Just an advice tho, it's your channel after all. Cheers
Maybe I will lower the levels for it. I always gate the audio now so that it never peaks, so if you turn down the audio, there shouldn’t be any sound Thats too loud. But maybe I will think about more equalizing. I’ll take a look.
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Big, big shoutout to Micah aka Kwonkicker. We all know him and love his channel. For everyone that does TKD, show your love! ua-cam.com/users/kwonkicker
Here's the video teased at the end with Jerry's UA-camr crush: ua-cam.com/video/8UjTd8q1fsE/v-deo.html
Kwonkicker is awesome. I've learned a ton that improved my kicking from his channel over the years.
He is one of the best kickers and that muay thai guys stance which is that body is really open, it's a big target practice for kwonkicker haha
Old school tkd is so cool. Like when crazy tkd kicks are done well, they're nothing short of the most stunningly amazing strikes in martial arts. And the old school guys train such that they're actually able to know how to do it well, it's simply fantastic
it's not old style it's WTF tkd
@@TheAceOfSpadezz pretty sure kwonkicker does itf not wtf, but I just mean people who train tkd in a way that focuses on developing speed and power and being effective in a fight, rather than being effective in point sparring. Anyone who does that is badass regardless of their federation :)
@@rylie8989 true but wtf is full contact and ata and itf are semi contact. you can look at his channel, he has the wtf on his dobok and he says hes wtf. it would make sense because itf is better with take downs and wtf is better with kicks. itf self defense is traditonal and old while wtf self defense is present day self defense. they're both great.
@@TheAceOfSpadezz no that's what I'm trying to tell you, when he talks about wtf tkd he's talking about doing old school wtf, ie before the introduction of electronic scoring
@@rylie8989 ohhhhhhh okay yeah...
The spinning back kick (which was what the taekwondo player won the match with) is very, very powerful.😀😀😀
Kwon kicker's a beast. I think it was like 10 years ago when I first saw him. I got all sort of nerd tingles seeing him fight.
Wow, spinning back kick to the liver. That would be extremely painful.
I know this guy channel for a long time, but I didn't knew that he competed in Thailand 9 years ago, very nice to discover that. Probably he was one of the first fighting youtubers.
Micah made a video on this. It's his spinning back kick. He teaches you how to add power and how to make it second nature. No flair. No fancy steps. Just you and the kick. I love his channel.
Taekwondo got some good kicks I gotta admit especially if you mix it with muay thai. Muay thai and taekwondo do make a good combination.
Naa they dint
Back in the day when Muay Thai was not everywhere. Many people in Latin America cross trained Tae kwon do and boxing to get "kickboxing".
@@allopez8563 "kickboxing" as its know actually is rooted in full contact karate
Yep badr Hari knows
@@EYEZAYZEL from Jo Lewis
the spinning back kick (some styles call it a spinning side kick since the toes aren't pointed down) is the single most underrated move in striking. The power and explosiveness of a spinning back kick is incredible.
From a tactics perspective, you can see from Kwonkicker (who I've followed for years and years, got great kicking tips from him back in the day), that a good spinning back kick is subtle. The Thai boxer doesn't even begin to react until half way through the kick, when Kwonkicker's shoulders start to rotate, and by then it's pretty much too late.
Wow! Thanks for pointing out that detail!
Did he delete his channel name?
Currently, Taekwondo style fighters are not well seen in kickboxing/Muay Thai matches, but in the past, there were TKD based fighters who competed head-on with kickboxers and Muay Thai fighters and won a lot.
Manson Gibson, Ignacio Capllonch, Serkan Yılmaz, Hassan Kassrioui, Steve Vick
What they have in common is that they have some skill in boxing (sometimes they win with punchs), and their side kicks, back kicks, roundhouse kicks, spin kicks, and spinning back fists are beautifully fast and strong.
Among them, Manson Gibson's style is truly unique and is a subject of study. His side kick's reach is really long, and he is very strong in clinch because he has done some amateur wrestling.
Manson Gibson ua-cam.com/video/7oVVa2dZiYY/v-deo.html
Ignacio Capllonch ua-cam.com/video/dAij0MOHLR0/v-deo.html
Serkan Yılmaz ua-cam.com/video/yk4pg8dRRHo/v-deo.html
Hassan Kassrioui ua-cam.com/video/Af6n2uKEzrc/v-deo.html
Steve Vick ua-cam.com/video/He79A5h3Lm0/v-deo.html
Thank you so much!!
@@FightCommentary Manson Gibson is not so widely accepted as a TKD legend, despite his pro-kickboxing record of over 100 matches, knocking out Muay Thai legend Changpuek Kiatsongrit and almost winning K-1 legend Ernesto Hoost (a draw). Maybe it was because he was black.
Below are other TKD based fighters who have left their names as legends.
Rick Roufus - American TKD Champion, American Kickboxing Legend
ua-cam.com/video/44OIGDifY3U/v-deo.html
Jerry Trimble - American TKD Champion, American Kickboxing Champion, Movie Actor
ua-cam.com/video/YPnjnNGieEQ/v-deo.html
Anthony Pettis - American TKD 3rd dan, former UFC Lightweight Champion
ua-cam.com/video/RhgOtbbU1UM/v-deo.html
Hwang Su Il (黄秀一) - The legend of Japanese ITF TKD. Served as the motion capture model for the character Hwoarang in the video game Tekken 3.
ua-cam.com/video/9xfFcen_kfo/v-deo.html
Moon Dae Sung (文大成) - 2004 Athens Olympic TKD 80kg class gold medalist, final match jumping spin kick KO
ua-cam.com/video/1e4IqUmaEP8/v-deo.html
Hassan has severely been beaten by top Thai's.
ua-cam.com/video/5aMDEgtpvYk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/xBtAw3_Db1g/v-deo.html
Kwonkicker show in one of his videos that Martial Taekwondo have punches techniques, I literally learned how to hit with my punches in Taekwondo thanks to him.
@@kmch7286 what would you define the main difference between kickboxing and taekwondo kicking tecnique is?
From what i understand the kicking part in kickboxing comes from karate,so if we take out muay thai can we see a visible difference in kicking technique? Assuming that kickboxing and karate kicking are the same
Fanboys would say "the Muay Thai guy wasn't even that good", "that was a lucky shot because the Muay Thai guy wasn't paying attention". Kwonkicker used taekwondo in this match and won fair and square. A lot of Muay Thai fighters have this hidden ego where they crap on other martial arts when a Muay Thai fighter wins and when a Muay Thai fighter looses the fanboys make a million excuses on why. I once tried a Muay Thai gym and 2 of the teachers had egos bigger I could imagine. In a nutshell I didn't get treated right there and I left so I can do taekwondo and boxing and I've never been happier. There's a dark side to Muay Thai that no Muay Thai practitioner wants to reveal other than me and some other individuals who have the guts.
Fanboys are not the same as those practitioners. Most fanboys are not even a martial artist themselves. The majority of Muay Thai fighters have closed relationship with TKD, Sanda and Western Boxing.
Lol they're levels to Muay Thai fighters. You got small stadiums. Then you got the Proffesional levels stadiums! Lumpuinee and Rajdamnern . These guys have annihilated top Taekwondo/MT fighters.
Also yes, there is very dark side to Muay Thai. I'm Thai. Train world Champions. Unlike traditional arts we have a whenever, wherever mentality. If you are a (fighter)and can't make the cut. Then leave we don't give out belt rankings
@SPlinter Echelon Somrak is one of the most intelligent Muay Thai fighters ever. Saenchai, and Lerdsila are all from the same branch. As for pure Muay Boran not that I can think of.
Trust me, Muay Thai guys also respect TKDs kicks. Sure they can beat up most TKD guys but they always had some sort of respect for the kicks
Finally! I learned to kick properly from kwonkickers channel. I used his videos to convince my jujutsu teachers at the time to change how we throw hook kicks and high axe kicks.
@Rune Age Mage No, I think he went to a McDojo.
@@reinhardvonlohengramm6296 it's not jiu jitsu. it's JUJUTSU, another martial art.
Spinning back kick on the floating ribs same technique Benny Urquedez used and the Sanda Chinese kickboxers used. Landing the heel on the ribs
Looks like a butcher shop two for one special: liver and ribs
Ouch!!
Back side kick to the liver. Awesome shot.
That lower block definitely has to be a WTF thing. Sometimes I do notice some ITF practitioners do it, but it's a habit I see with sports practitioners because the coach would force them to do it. I've crossed trained between the two in my late teen. Anyway, that video was one of my favourites from him, and it really opened my eyes as to what TKD lacks. More like they waste time trainig for their own tournaments, when they could easily do a 30 min, after-class, kickboxing rules spar to really kick ass like Micah here.
yes he trains WTF
Kwonkicker’s old school taekwondo is the real deal. Wish modern taekwondo would evolve more
With the WTF style then to ITF style, WTF does a little bit of striking but only to the torso but there's more kicking involved with sparring and ITF does a western boxing and with a combination of kicks in sparring.
this kick has in karate, in capoeira, and in taekwondo, and kickboxing, when this blow is applied, as we see in the video, hitting both the abdomen and the head, it is a knockout for sure. This is awesome channel.
That low guard block Kwon kicker did was something we used to do in my dojang all the time. it's pretty good for body kicks and if you have distance control you're safe
Awesome full circle origin story!!
Hey man awesome video!
You should do more Sanda vs Muay Thai videos though. Especially some ones where Sanda wins. I want to see what the Sanda guys in those videos do differently in those fights that the others don’t. Thanks!!
Yeah that looked like a front side liver shot,,, brutal.
Bad business for gamblers. 🤣
back kick! great move but kind of scary to pull off
Taekwondo is agility and speed
And muaythai is power
so if you mix the both of their kicks. The combination would be insane
What's your Chinese channel?
Btw, the Muay Thai guy threw like zero punches. 😏
Here's my teach Chinese channel: ua-cam.com/channels/_E_R34VQo47FfnwF3ABlDQ.html
Muay Thai rules favor kicks over punches.
Why’s that?
Muay Thai fighter here. I can assure you that just because we kick, we aren't going to not throw punches. That's why it's the art of eight limbs, not six.
@@FightCommentary thank you!!
Ah, the good ol' Eduard Folayang and Dennis Siver shot
Jerry has a business crush!!!
Boooom.... that was some kick!
Total # of punches thrown: Micah-2, MT fighter-1.
2:00 dwi chagi to the liver or right floating rib
0/10 not enough slightly unsettling Throat singing.
Hahahah. I cut it short because it was too unsettling. You want to send me some throat singing? I’ll feature you.
@@FightCommentary At this point just open another channel
Oh snap. You planted the idea. Maybe I’ll move on it.
@@FightCommentary do it!!
Interesting. In the bouts I see TKD beat muay thai it's nearly always a spin kick to the ribs
Muay Thai's clinch game becomes irrelevant when Judo throws are allowed. It's a combat sport that plays to it's rules just like any other combat sport.
For all who don't know, this is WTF Taekwondo.
No lol, is old school tkd
@@camilopalma1223 don't care tkd is gay
@@camilopalma1223 old school WTF TKD to be exact
*Spinning kicks being used effectively against Muay Thai practitioners*
Muay Thai practitioners especially Thai's:: "I'll ignore that"
Biased Muay Thai fans : tHatS noT muAy tHai
Agreed, others would say "the Muay Thai guy wasn't even that good", "that was a lucky shot because the Muay Thai guy wasn't paying attention". Kwonkicker used taekwondo in this match and won fair and square. A lot of Muay Thai fighters have this hidden ego where they crap on other martial arts when a Muay Thai fighter wins and when a Muay Thai fighter looses the fanboys make a million excuses on why. I once tried a Muay Thai gym and 2 of the teachers had egos bigger I could imagine. In a nutshell I didn't get treated right there and I left so I can do taekwondo and boxing and I've never been happier. There's a dark side to Muay Thai that no Muay Thai practitioner wants to reveal other than me.
@travis what do you mean by "that's all I've got"? Also no duh that anyone would get knocked out by a liver shot.
@travis ok fanboy, I didn't mean this match in particular I mean in general when a Muay Thai fighter beats a person of a different style they ridicule them and almost never the other way around. You're just blind, take your ego and get out of here. Also why assume a Muay Thai fighter would kick my ass when you don't even know me and my capabilities and never even will? Knowing Muay Thai doesn't give an automatic win to the practitioner and here you are acting as if Muay Thai is perfect.
They're mad. LOL
@7atenine22 I do practice Jiu-Jitsu. And I love it. I have practiced two striking arts formally and two informally, and while I do believe we need some fundamental striking, Jiu-Jitsu has most effectively prepared me to defend myself.
@7atenine22 I could totally understand being a little bit timid to get back into it after getting knocked out like that.
although now that I'm too old to do it I really want to fight in the MMA but I'm too old but that's okay. One thing I like about Jiu-Jitsu is there's no such thing as being too old
@7atenine22 no I don't compete I just mean that you can be any age and start jiu jitsu. I signed up to study Jiu-Jitsu about 6 or 7 months ago now and I'm 50 years old. That's not to say that I might not compete just for the fun of it but it's not something that I'm really wanting to do as much as having the extra tools for self-defense. what I can say is that it seems to me that people are able to practice Jiu-Jitsu for a lot later in their life Dan other combat sports such as boxing or MMA etc.
I am so glad one of my instructors in Taekwondo is old school. Last class, we literally learned how to punch in competition
it's not old school it's WTF tkd
@@TheAceOfSpadezz in wtf the punchs to the face are not allowed
Turning side kick
oeoe that wázzz the liver, bottompart I guess... thas what you get if you disrespect your opp
Liver shot right there....
Tkd guy had better muay thai lol. Btw liver is always on the right side so yup right in the liver.
Back kick, liver shot. Classic, old school TKD. Some call it spinning back kick.
@@sidscarborough3160 ya but he also had better muay thai as well.
@@lastword8783 The only time Micah used Muay Thai was the leg checks. The rest of the match he pretty much did TKD
Joe Rogan kick
Only fools learn martial arts to fight each other.
What does it have to do with taekwondo.....
Everything
@@FightCommentary both using muaythai skills, tired of none korean who knows nothing about taekwondo judging like they knew everything.
It was back thrust in hometown taekwondo gym
Jerry, you got into an Ivy League school?? Which one??
UPenn
Gotta stay away from that kick or stuff the kicks... Muay Thai Kid shoulda clinched all day, but he wanted to hang out in the kick range, it’s dangerous if the TKD guy has a brain, speaking from experience. So I personally don’t hang out and fight the long game, I do the hugging game.
Hey man, even though I enjoy your videos and always look forward for the new one, your constant shouting really puts me off. So much so that I always hit the mute button. Might wanna consider lowering your voice down a bit? Just an advice tho, it's your channel after all. Cheers
Maybe I will lower the levels for it. I always gate the audio now so that it never peaks, so if you turn down the audio, there shouldn’t be any sound Thats too loud. But maybe I will think about more equalizing. I’ll take a look.
Whoot
That's a back thrust kick in Taekwondo bro.
Just the title not correct: the TKD guy is not "smaller", the MT guy is not "bigger".
Gg
This is so dumb
How so?
Sorry man, just the way I felt.