On the whole mars attack part. Basically romulans sun is about to go super nova. So Picard lead a project that was going to build a fleet of ships that would evacuate the planet. The fleet of ship were being built on mars. A group of androids, or synthetics that were being used went rouge and destroyed the ship yard on mars. This cause starfleet to call off the mission to evacuate Romulus and Picard resigns in protest.
Please do a review of the entire Picard Season (now that it has ended). We need you to voice the horror of that season for Star Trek fans. I really appreciated this review you did of the first episode.
I thought the reboot movies were fine. They weren't outstanding, but aside from the second film being Star Trek II but reversing Spock's and Kirk's roles, they were hardly offensive. They were... just fine.
Here's the breakdown of events leading up to Picard: 1) Romulus' sun is going supernova - the Romulans ask the Federation for help 2) The Federation says yes, Starfleet starts building a fleet to rescue the Romulans. 3) Synthetics attack and destroy the Fleetyard at Utopia Planetia. 4) Starfleet says "Nevermind, We're not gonna do it." 5) Picard says "this is wrong, and I'll resign if you don't do this" 6) Starfleet says "Okay" I admit, this was a lot more clear after watching the little vignette on "The Ready Room" with Wil Wheaton. (Incidentally, after this stuff happens is presumably where Spock shows up with the Vulcan Science Institute's solution to the problem: Fix the Supernova with Red matter) I wonder if the displacement of Romulans resulted in a resettlement/unification effort on Vulcan like Spock had been seeking.
Nobody blamed Picard. What makes you think that? I found the interview fantastic. One of my favorite scenes. A Romulan sun will soon go supernova -> The Romulans ask the Federation for help -> The Starfleet says yes, they will help -> The entire rescue fleet is attacked by adroids (we don't know why yet). -> Starfleet stops helping, they leave the Romulans in the lurch -> Picard doesn't like the decision made by Starfleet and leaves Starfleet.
@@BullSession After all, she's still a reporter. She wants to learn things about Picard that no one else knew. She wants that her interview with Picard will be watched by the whole "galaxy". (e.g. why he left Starfleet, what he thinks about synts.) Such interviews spread faster than "normal" interviews.
Am I the only one who's burned-out on the "pre-teen/young adult girl with a mysterious past and ridonkulous combat/martial art skills" trope? Seriously.
Nope, I am sick of the trope as well. I blame YA novels for giving us this trope. I'm sure the special Mary Sue teen trope has existed long before YA novels but they made it worse.
It's the tried and tested trope of a Mary Sue which some writers, be they teenagers themselves, or grownups who should know better, keep throwing around... When I spot the word "daughter" in a fanfiction blurb, it's red alert and I run. Unfortunately I also love anything with Jean-Luc in it (or James Bond for that matter), so, yes, aaarrgh. (Sorry for hogging your comment)
Too Many Cooks! too many cooks! It takes a lot to wreck a show, especially when it's made of Alex and Bob! And him! And her! and the CBS executives too! Too Many Cooks is truuue~!!! P.S. Nice to see you have some kind of a soft spot for Star Trek Beyond.
I'm in this real awkward space, in that I LOVE Star Trek: Picard, but I also hate the horrible action movie foundation it's built on. This JJ'esque Kurtzman style just feels all kinds of *wrong* to me. And yet...I love it. I love the idea of challenging a Federation that's strayed from the principles it was founded upon, and an old man bringing those values back, with a group of plucky youngsters who have enough energy to keep this whole endeavour going. I both love and hate Star Trek: Picard and I don't know how to feel about it. I guess I'll just have to keep watching and see if it jumps the shark at some point.
Thanks for the video. I too have watched everything Star Trek. And I gotta say that this is, hands down, the best first episode of any Star Trek series ever made. I just think we all too often forget just how rocky most of them have been. Couple things. This script is anything but terrible. And I say that from a place of surprise. In no way did I expect it to be as strong as it was, but it really bodes well for things to come in the series. I hope they can keep it up. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the line from the interview mentions a 'Romulan sun', not 'Romulus' sun'. I think that is a small but pivotal detail. It remains to be seen if there will be a scene or line that definitively mentions which Romulan star went nova. We'll see. But yeah, it wouldn't have threatened the galaxy. Regardless I absolutely have to forgive any show that has the monumental task of world building in a premiere episode, especially this one which is saddled with as much JJ baggage as you can imagine. To criticize the interview scene as "too much exposition" is to grossly overlook the incredible balancing act they had to do - and they definitely pulled it off. It's really easy to fall into the trap of criticizing this show for 'glazing over details too quickly' so that we can't process what's happening. I just think that's such a lazy argument. You're not the first to make it though. But have you ever gone back to any, and I mean ANY previous Trek series to see if they somehow pass this same smell test? Believe me, none of them were immune to this very same issue. It's as old as the franchise itself. Maybe try not to let your nostalgia cloud your critiques, otherwise the stench of double-standard-hypocrisy will undermine all of your reviews moving forward. Ditto when you reference the optimistic future Roddenberry envisioned. It's an idealistic pinnacle that has never been achieved in Star Trek. We're still striving for it. Again, the entire franchise is rife with examples of this. The good guys lie, cheat, steal, kill, obfuscate, etc. They constantly take moral grey ground. Jesus, even Archer might have committed genocide and he is regarded as one of Starfleet's beat, most important figures. Oh, and you're also glazing over the at-odds politics plaguing the Romulan Star Empire and the Romulan civilian government from Nemesis. It isn't merely a JJ Abrams super nova baggage point here. Instead it isn't that much of a leap to consider that Starfleet still felt uneasy with the Romulan Star Empire, and vice versa, particularly in the years to follow the Dominion War. Also, I gotta disagree with your interpretation of Stewart's Picard. For me, it is still so bloody compelling all these years later. You're right to say he is tired, but that's kinda the point... Also, the androids that attacked Mars were not like Data. Again, I think that's the point they were going for, but we shall see. Again, thanks for the video. Hopefully they get better!
The whole premise made no sense. Romulan Empire, which takes a third? of a beta quadrant, read millions of stars, probably hundreds of colonized worlds wouldn't need help to evacuate a couple of planets. Worse, the xenophobic Romulans wouldn't even think about asking for help and do everything possible to prevent anyone else to learn about it. This was a huge deal in al of the Star Trek, and only someone who never seen any wouldn't think about it.
Finally sat down to watch the first two episodes today, and I didn't hate it... I even found myself curious to see we're they're going with the plot, which is more than I can say for Discovery, so Picard must be doing something right. Maybe it isn't old school Trek by the standards of TOS or TNG, but considering how much darker DS9 got, I don't find it impossible to reconcile either. Although admittedly, the pacing is so painful slow that I'm worried if they'll be able to actually resolve anything by the end of the season, or if everything up through the finale is just going to be an overly dragged out setup tease.
I don't have a CBS All Access account. I just exploit my TV account and watch it on -Space- CTV Sci Fi, and I enjoy it. I agree it's better than Discovery, and I'll let my nostalgia ride me through the series.
Oh god, I hate that name change. I know they're going with some stupid corporate brand now, but it's brought an end to all of that lovely Space nonsense that delighted us over the years. All so they can have a drama channel and a comedy channel (I mean, at least Comedy didn't lose much). ...bloody hell.
Yeah I really hate the name change too. I guess it gets the intended job done cause I didn't know CTV owned some of these channels, or didn't usually think about it, but I still hate the changes.
Seems the major complaint from old trek fans are they wanted more TNG, which this was advertised and known since SDCC that it's not, and are mad it's not.
On the whole mars attack part. Basically romulans sun is about to go super nova. So Picard lead a project that was going to build a fleet of ships that would evacuate the planet. The fleet of ship were being built on mars. A group of androids, or synthetics that were being used went rouge and destroyed the ship yard on mars. This cause starfleet to call off the mission to evacuate Romulus and Picard resigns in protest.
Growing up with the Next Generation being my Star Trek I was sort of excited for this series, but really the only parts I liked were the blatant nostalgia baiting and seeing the Enterprise D in glorious HD. Other than that I don't give a damn about Alex Kurtzman's Circus of Hack Frauds' mystery box bullshit.
9:15 because the people in charge DONT GIVE A SHIT I forget his name, but the person directly in charge though star trek and star wars where the same thing and wanted to threaten disney over star wars stuff, because he thought he owned it as far as the people in charge care, that is what they own, a 'star something' some sci-fy franchise thing they can make money out of.
My interpretation for why the Federation is throwing shade at Picard for Mars is that the reporter says the attack destroyed the shipyards AND the entire rescue armada (with likely a lot of people on or around those rescue ships getting them ready). And since Picard personally spearheaded the creation of the rescue armada they blame him for those extra resources and personnel being lost.
Great review, but to clarify, STD and Picard are in the Prime timeline, which is not the same as the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT continuity (which I have come to call the Roddenberry Timeline). For various rights reasons, all the new Trek since the 09 movie have been under a different license that is required to be distinctly different from classic Trek.
@@BullSession i appreciate the offer but personally that doesn't seem necessary and plus i would feel kinda weird if i use your account every time i log into cbs all access i don't know that's just me.
I enjoyed the episode over all and am more than willing to see where it goes. I think you've mixed up two different plot points though. The supernova rescue mission and the Mars disaster. The supernova was always the Romulan sun. When the supernova happened and destroyed Romulus Picard, being a true Starfleet officer, pushed for a humanitarian mission to aid them. People pushed back because Romulus has long been an enemy of Starfleet. The Mars disaster was the result of some synthetic beings revolting and attacking Mars leading to many deaths and the atmosphere still being on fire. As a result Starfleet became afraid of all synthetic life and banned all AI. This combined with discontinuing aid to Romulus and becoming more withdrawn and xenophobic was why Picard resigned. Hence, "It wasn't Starfleet anymore." Picard wasn't blamed for either. He was unpopular because he was defending the rights of synthetics and pushing Starfleet to uphold its humanitarian ideals.
It is very clearly implied by the reporter interviewing Picard that the two events have some sort of cause -> effect correlation. The supernova was also quite literally stated to be a threat to the *entire Galaxy* in '09. It was never stated to be the Romulan sun until this episode of Picard. This is a retcon. One that I like, but I would have liked it even more still if the supernova had just not been a part of this series. I hate the "It wasn't Starfleet anymore" thing. I'm getting so sick of every single new Star Trek property trying to reposition Starfleet as this deeply xenophobic, isolationist entity. It doesn't even make any sense. The Federation is a coalition of hundreds of different worlds and civilizations, of which Starfleet is only a single entity. Even if for some reason Starfleet were dragging it's ass, the rest of the Federation would have helped Romulas without a second thought. (though tbh I'd be surprised if Kurtzman & co even realize there's a difference between The Federation and Starfleet). FFS, the Vulcans, who are part of the Federation, share common ancestry with the Romulans. Furthermore, the Romulan Star Empire is, by itself, every bit as large and technologically advanced as The Federation is, encompassing hundreds of worlds. Why would they even need help? Why do the Romulans appear to now be refugees, as if they had nowhere else to go now that Romulas is gone? They could have relocated to any of the other hundreds of worlds within the Romulan Empire. Everything about it is stupid, and the only reason it's been included here is so Alex Kurtzman can flex at the audience because it was he and Orci who wrote the damn thing in the first place.
@@BullSession Again, I think people are forgetting the Dominion War. Not only it's depleting impact on the Federation & Romulan resources, but also the plotting politics that ensued between the two powers. The Romulan Star Empire nearly had the Tal Shiar completely wiped out. They repeatedly waffled until finally forging an alliance of convenience with the Federation to take on the Dominion. I think the fact that only three warbirds engage the Scimitar alongside the Enterprise-E is further proof that they were completely decimated at this point. Moreover the Federation at this time was absolutely full of xenophobia, particularly with Changlings infiltrating Earth. Now you have Picard, the darling champion of Starfleet, campaigning the Federation for what little resources there may still be, to assist an open adversary. Somehow Starfleet musters 10,000 warp capable vessels to placate Picard. Maybe even against their better judgement. And what happens?? The synths go rogue. (Smells like a Romulan or Section 31 plot to me, actually) and leaves the angry Federation and Starfleet with the worst egg on their face, while simultaneously undermining Picard's crusade to save the same adversaries whom the Federation or Starfleet likely tossed on their board as the number one culprit suspect list.
4:30 third reboot movie is great though, enough that I can actually forgive the worst elements of the first reboot movie because they lead to it. there is no second reboot movie...
Yeah, I dug Beyond for a multitude of reasons: 1. It was silly and cheesy sci-fi schlock that didn't take itself to seriously at times, but still painted a good mystery that wasn't just a knockoff of a pre-existing Star Trek plot. 2. An actually interesting villain who wasn't just a random Romulan or a shitty version of Kahn. 3. Good music. 4. They made Kirk more competent like he used to be in the original show. 5. Jaylah is great and hot and great. 6. They killed Spock off-screen (cuz Leonard Nimoy died and couldn't film his scenes) and yet still managed to give it a lot of emotional depth I think my only real problem with the film (aside from that weird ending battle where they beat the bad guys with fucking Beastie Boys music) was that they made Sulu gay for no reason other than to tick off a box. Other than that, this was a pretty great film.
I have to admit I have a soft spot for star trek 2009. Maybe that's just nostalgia talking as it looked at the time star trek at least in a flim or show formate was dead. Sure their were still books being pumped out but those have like decades of their own lore and characters so it super hard to find a what matters what Dosent, which books are good and which aren't. The comics at least the IDW ones have for the most part being pretty strong I can only think of one I own which is really god aurful. Even if the comics have this oppression with TOS and TNG and barely remember any other era of trek exists and god forbid they do anything original. Though the Kelvin time line was the trek flag ship comic for a few years and their petty dame good they actually make the Kelvin time line bareable and mean something beyond (ha actental pun) mindless action. Hell I even like Kelvin Kirk which is something of a rarity for me as I'm not a big Kirk guy. He actually feels like kerk with out being all edgy " this anit your grand pars kerk about it" or " I'll sleep with anything with a pulse" Though the Kelvin time line comics do some weird shit Anyway I'd say 2009 is still a guilty pleasure for me. Into darkness was shit, it felt petty soulless and bleak for the sake of bleakness. Beyond was a blast, it was silly, colourful , acturly about something beyond screaming and expulsions As for why the Romulans at least Neros lot wanted vengace for them getting blown up by a super nova. It's explained that's one part due to a feeling that the federation but espealy the Vulcans draged their feet and didn't do enough fast enough. Bassicly beocracy The other part is self despection and blame on the part of Nero and his crew putting all their faith in Spoke and the Vulcan's but being let down time and again and kind of getting the impression that the Vulcan's wanted this to happen. Esensecaly Spock talking a good game but not doing enough in their eyes.
It's more of the same of the JarJar Abrams Klutzman #BadReboot Drek. Once the Rose colored glasses and nostalgia wears off with viewers, this show will not be viewed as warmly especially if the rumors are true of the direction this show will take later on. Also noted that there was already breaks in the TNG Canon 10 minutes into the show which is annoying and supports my suspicions.
I'd rather have gotten a show about the aftermath of the Dominion War. Rene Auberjonois maybe gone, but, if I had to recast Odo I'd go with Alan Tudyk (heard him do a similar, gruff voice). Also, come on, Dukat would've escaped from the Pah-Wraith dimension. Eventually. Guy's too determined to remain in space hell forever. Imagine him returning, now with supernatural fire powers, starting another cult, this one comprised of Cardassians, bitter over their society going to pot, want to exterminate Bajor, which has since entered into a prosperous golden age, once & for all.
I personally liked Star Trek 2009 was it perfect nope but you know what as a movie on its own it was fine nothing special not terrible but just okay at best as for into the darkness it was meh at best again I have seen far worst movies but that’s just my opinion.
It isn't the worst ever, but Star Trek Into Darkness is one of my least favourite movies of all time. I've been sleeping on a 10 page script tearing it to pieces for about two years.
WTF I have never been able to watch the prequel movies. I always turn them off or skip ahead and watch only 5%. Those scenes; I never realized it was that bad!
So...they're going for a Fallout 4/Detroit: Become Human thing when it comes to androids? (i.e. - androids/synths can't be trusted/are evil). I don't know if I should find that amused or be annoyed by that.
I was going to say once the video ended but you put it there at 9:35 there. I think Beyond was good. If the rest of the reboot series was like that... I wouldn't loathe it as much... like... I'd rather marthoon Voyager then watch into Darkness bad because you know what as Average to bad as that series was... it was still Star Trek.
Beyond is a perfect acceptable Star Trek film. It was kind of too little too late by that point though. Star Trek Into Darkness is maybe my most hated film that I've ever seen.
With the exception of Patrick Stewart's role as EP (since he does know what he wants and is doing), there's WAY TOO MANY COOKS. Having the morons behind 2009 Trek and Into Darkness won't go over well for some people who enjoyed TNG or the original show. We'll see how the rest of the show is. So far, I have reservations but some hope it'll be good.
Entertaining review, but do you have to play that non-stop hectic music all the time as if you don't trust your own spoken-word content? At least for me, it would have been so much more fun just listening to what you have to say without trying to block out the needless noise in vain...
I just couldn’t. I watched about 10 minutes. When the girl “activated” I turned it off. I just can’t watch another story with a “super” girl as the hero. So overdone. So boring. So lame. Garbage woke BS.
LOL, whoa something is broken within you. 🤣but ok... I didn't mind it and don't think I ever will. I just like shows to reflect the time in which they are made and that's what this show is doing. Once a show tries to capture the old feel that's when I get bored. So for me, the show works.
Unworshipediety reflect the times? So you’d like an old white male bigot with orange hair as the lead hero? Because that would be just as bad and lame as the super girl Mary Sue types we keep getting. I’m not broken, western civilization is broken.
@@slycooze150 You do realize that she died in the first episode, and her abilities are simply the same ones Data and Lore had? If she's a Sue then they were Stus. And Trek has always been "Woke". It really isn't a show for stuffy Conservatives.
This is the issue with reviewing the first episode of a series without having seen the rest of them. All your questions are answered and you just come off as impatient and annoying
guess there aren't too many true trek fans out there. Sad. The episode was great. I seriously don't get all the hate. You obviously didn't grow up watch the next generation or going to the theater to see the newest movie.
Damn, and here I thought that I *had* grown up watching TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and all the movies. You're right though, I guess becuase I didn't like this pilot, I must not be a *true* fan like you. Thanks for letting me know.
Bull Session I came off harsh I'll give you that. In all I should of just said I disagree. I likes your video I just think your nitpicking too much. It's not like star trek has always had great story's. But this picks up right where we have been waiting for. Maybe I'm wrong maybe people see thing from your perspective more then mine. Bottom line never did I think we see a new star trek that actually picks up where the others left off and not another prequel series. I apologize for my rudeness we are all fans here.
i was 19 when TNG went off the air and into syndacation and i wont give it a glance already got burned giving STD a chance and no i didnt watch the JJ drek movies either
Yeah, I kinda only got half-way through this review. I kinda subbed to the channel on another video but I really don't want to attach myself to another _This ain't my Startrek!" kinda channel. I'm really digging the Picard series. It's crazy how old he looks though, it totally reminds me of my own mortality and how time takes us all eventually. So watching him in another _phase_ of his life is very enjoyable because you don't often get to see heroic characters reach that point in which they're kinda physically not what they used to be all that often. Anyways it's awesome to see another Star Trek fan out there that's not freaking complaining *all day* about how this series doesn't live up to the old shows and blah blah blah. Anyways, just showing you that I appreciate the hell out of this comment.
I imagine that's going to be an awkward conversation with Riker.
Bull Session lol indeed
Only if Number One takes a number 1 one Number 1.
On the whole mars attack part. Basically romulans sun is about to go super nova. So Picard lead a project that was going to build a fleet of ships that would evacuate the planet. The fleet of ship were being built on mars. A group of androids, or synthetics that were being used went rouge and destroyed the ship yard on mars. This cause starfleet to call off the mission to evacuate Romulus and Picard resigns in protest.
Please do a review of the entire Picard Season (now that it has ended). We need you to voice the horror of that season for Star Trek fans. I really appreciated this review you did of the first episode.
That's my next video. Should be out Monday or Tuesday
I personally liked the star trek reboot films
I thought the reboot movies were fine. They weren't outstanding, but aside from the second film being Star Trek II but reversing Spock's and Kirk's roles, they were hardly offensive. They were... just fine.
Here's the breakdown of events leading up to Picard:
1) Romulus' sun is going supernova - the Romulans ask the Federation for help
2) The Federation says yes, Starfleet starts building a fleet to rescue the Romulans.
3) Synthetics attack and destroy the Fleetyard at Utopia Planetia.
4) Starfleet says "Nevermind, We're not gonna do it."
5) Picard says "this is wrong, and I'll resign if you don't do this"
6) Starfleet says "Okay"
I admit, this was a lot more clear after watching the little vignette on "The Ready Room" with Wil Wheaton.
(Incidentally, after this stuff happens is presumably where Spock shows up with the Vulcan Science Institute's solution to the problem: Fix the Supernova with Red matter)
I wonder if the displacement of Romulans resulted in a resettlement/unification effort on Vulcan like Spock had been seeking.
That all sounds... incredibly stupid. Ugh....
Nobody blamed Picard. What makes you think that? I found the interview fantastic. One of my favorite scenes.
A Romulan sun will soon go supernova -> The Romulans ask the Federation for help -> The Starfleet says yes, they will help -> The entire rescue fleet is attacked by adroids (we don't know why yet). -> Starfleet stops helping, they leave the Romulans in the lurch -> Picard doesn't like the decision made by Starfleet and leaves Starfleet.
That tracks I suppose, but if nobody blamed Picard, then why would the reporter be at all interested in grilling him over it?
@@BullSession After all, she's still a reporter. She wants to learn things about Picard that no one else knew. She wants that her interview with Picard will be watched by the whole "galaxy". (e.g. why he left Starfleet, what he thinks about synts.) Such interviews spread faster than "normal" interviews.
Am I the only one who's burned-out on the "pre-teen/young adult girl with a mysterious past and ridonkulous combat/martial art skills" trope? Seriously.
Nope, I am sick of the trope as well. I blame YA novels for giving us this trope. I'm sure the special Mary Sue teen trope has existed long before YA novels but they made it worse.
It's the tried and tested trope of a Mary Sue which some writers, be they teenagers themselves, or grownups who should know better, keep throwing around... When I spot the word "daughter" in a fanfiction blurb, it's red alert and I run. Unfortunately I also love anything with Jean-Luc in it (or James Bond for that matter), so, yes, aaarrgh. (Sorry for hogging your comment)
But the thing is, she DIED in the first episode and her ridiculous fighting ability was no different than Data and Lore's.
Too Many Cooks! too many cooks!
It takes a lot to wreck a show, especially when it's made of Alex and Bob!
And him! And her! and the CBS executives too!
Too Many Cooks is truuue~!!!
P.S. Nice to see you have some kind of a soft spot for Star Trek Beyond.
I'm in this real awkward space, in that I LOVE Star Trek: Picard, but I also hate the horrible action movie foundation it's built on. This JJ'esque Kurtzman style just feels all kinds of *wrong* to me.
And yet...I love it. I love the idea of challenging a Federation that's strayed from the principles it was founded upon, and an old man bringing those values back, with a group of plucky youngsters who have enough energy to keep this whole endeavour going.
I both love and hate Star Trek: Picard and I don't know how to feel about it. I guess I'll just have to keep watching and see if it jumps the shark at some point.
7:28 Even worse, Picard is older than Patrick Stewart. He's 94
Thanks for the video. I too have watched everything Star Trek. And I gotta say that this is, hands down, the best first episode of any Star Trek series ever made. I just think we all too often forget just how rocky most of them have been.
Couple things. This script is anything but terrible. And I say that from a place of surprise. In no way did I expect it to be as strong as it was, but it really bodes well for things to come in the series. I hope they can keep it up.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that the line from the interview mentions a 'Romulan sun', not 'Romulus' sun'. I think that is a small but pivotal detail. It remains to be seen if there will be a scene or line that definitively mentions which Romulan star went nova. We'll see. But yeah, it wouldn't have threatened the galaxy.
Regardless I absolutely have to forgive any show that has the monumental task of world building in a premiere episode, especially this one which is saddled with as much JJ baggage as you can imagine. To criticize the interview scene as "too much exposition" is to grossly overlook the incredible balancing act they had to do - and they definitely pulled it off.
It's really easy to fall into the trap of criticizing this show for 'glazing over details too quickly' so that we can't process what's happening. I just think that's such a lazy argument. You're not the first to make it though. But have you ever gone back to any, and I mean ANY previous Trek series to see if they somehow pass this same smell test? Believe me, none of them were immune to this very same issue. It's as old as the franchise itself. Maybe try not to let your nostalgia cloud your critiques, otherwise the stench of double-standard-hypocrisy will undermine all of your reviews moving forward.
Ditto when you reference the optimistic future Roddenberry envisioned. It's an idealistic pinnacle that has never been achieved in Star Trek. We're still striving for it. Again, the entire franchise is rife with examples of this. The good guys lie, cheat, steal, kill, obfuscate, etc. They constantly take moral grey ground. Jesus, even Archer might have committed genocide and he is regarded as one of Starfleet's beat, most important figures.
Oh, and you're also glazing over the at-odds politics plaguing the Romulan Star Empire and the Romulan civilian government from Nemesis. It isn't merely a JJ Abrams super nova baggage point here. Instead it isn't that much of a leap to consider that Starfleet still felt uneasy with the Romulan Star Empire, and vice versa, particularly in the years to follow the Dominion War.
Also, I gotta disagree with your interpretation of Stewart's Picard. For me, it is still so bloody compelling all these years later. You're right to say he is tired, but that's kinda the point...
Also, the androids that attacked Mars were not like Data. Again, I think that's the point they were going for, but we shall see.
Again, thanks for the video. Hopefully they get better!
@Főfasírozó You know what's sad? When I read that I thought you were making a Travis Mayweather reference. That's just how deep my nerdom goes...
don't forget the fan created series star trek continues
The fact that vic's low budget look at TOS is better and sticks to the in universe cannon than CBS...
The whole premise made no sense. Romulan Empire, which takes a third? of a beta quadrant, read millions of stars, probably hundreds of colonized worlds wouldn't need help to evacuate a couple of planets. Worse, the xenophobic Romulans wouldn't even think about asking for help and do everything possible to prevent anyone else to learn about it. This was a huge deal in al of the Star Trek, and only someone who never seen any wouldn't think about it.
After Nemesis and the demise of their government, the implication was that the new government would be more open to outsiders.
Finally sat down to watch the first two episodes today, and I didn't hate it... I even found myself curious to see we're they're going with the plot, which is more than I can say for Discovery, so Picard must be doing something right. Maybe it isn't old school Trek by the standards of TOS or TNG, but considering how much darker DS9 got, I don't find it impossible to reconcile either.
Although admittedly, the pacing is so painful slow that I'm worried if they'll be able to actually resolve anything by the end of the season, or if everything up through the finale is just going to be an overly dragged out setup tease.
I don't have a CBS All Access account. I just exploit my TV account and watch it on -Space- CTV Sci Fi, and I enjoy it. I agree it's better than Discovery, and I'll let my nostalgia ride me through the series.
Oh god, I hate that name change. I know they're going with some stupid corporate brand now, but it's brought an end to all of that lovely Space nonsense that delighted us over the years. All so they can have a drama channel and a comedy channel (I mean, at least Comedy didn't lose much).
...bloody hell.
Yeah I really hate the name change too. I guess it gets the intended job done cause I didn't know CTV owned some of these channels, or didn't usually think about it, but I still hate the changes.
Seems the major complaint from old trek fans are they wanted more TNG, which this was advertised and known since SDCC that it's not, and are mad it's not.
Great review.
On the whole mars attack part. Basically romulans sun is about to go super nova. So Picard lead a project that was going to build a fleet of ships that would evacuate the planet. The fleet of ship were being built on mars. A group of androids, or synthetics that were being used went rouge and destroyed the ship yard on mars. This cause starfleet to call off the mission to evacuate Romulus and Picard resigns in protest.
Growing up with the Next Generation being my Star Trek I was sort of excited for this series, but really the only parts I liked were the blatant nostalgia baiting and seeing the Enterprise D in glorious HD. Other than that I don't give a damn about Alex Kurtzman's Circus of Hack Frauds' mystery box bullshit.
I'll admit, seeing the Enterprise D in HD gave me butterflies for a moment.
9:15 because the people in charge DONT GIVE A SHIT
I forget his name, but the person directly in charge though star trek and star wars where the same thing and wanted to threaten disney over star wars stuff, because he thought he owned it
as far as the people in charge care, that is what they own, a 'star something'
some sci-fy franchise thing they can make money out of.
Show 📺 on Netflix and the ⏩episodes why holding up?
My interpretation for why the Federation is throwing shade at Picard for Mars is that the reporter says the attack destroyed the shipyards AND the entire rescue armada (with likely a lot of people on or around those rescue ships getting them ready). And since Picard personally spearheaded the creation of the rescue armada they blame him for those extra resources and personnel being lost.
That's the most reasonable explanation I've heard so far.
So holographic life forms are cool but not androids?
Great review, but to clarify, STD and Picard are in the Prime timeline, which is not the same as the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT continuity (which I have come to call the Roddenberry Timeline).
For various rights reasons, all the new Trek since the 09 movie have been under a different license that is required to be distinctly different from classic Trek.
Star Trek: Beyond
^Not bad, actually.
Keep up the good work, my man.
As for Picard I would check this out But I don’t have CBS all access so I got nothing to say.
DW, you can use my account
@@BullSession i appreciate the offer but personally that doesn't seem necessary and plus i would feel kinda weird if i use your account every time i log into cbs all access i don't know that's just me.
I enjoyed the episode over all and am more than willing to see where it goes. I think you've mixed up two different plot points though. The supernova rescue mission and the Mars disaster.
The supernova was always the Romulan sun. When the supernova happened and destroyed Romulus Picard, being a true Starfleet officer, pushed for a humanitarian mission to aid them. People pushed back because Romulus has long been an enemy of Starfleet.
The Mars disaster was the result of some synthetic beings revolting and attacking Mars leading to many deaths and the atmosphere still being on fire. As a result Starfleet became afraid of all synthetic life and banned all AI. This combined with discontinuing aid to Romulus and becoming more withdrawn and xenophobic was why Picard resigned. Hence, "It wasn't Starfleet anymore."
Picard wasn't blamed for either. He was unpopular because he was defending the rights of synthetics and pushing Starfleet to uphold its humanitarian ideals.
It is very clearly implied by the reporter interviewing Picard that the two events have some sort of cause -> effect correlation.
The supernova was also quite literally stated to be a threat to the *entire Galaxy* in '09. It was never stated to be the Romulan sun until this episode of Picard. This is a retcon. One that I like, but I would have liked it even more still if the supernova had just not been a part of this series.
I hate the "It wasn't Starfleet anymore" thing. I'm getting so sick of every single new Star Trek property trying to reposition Starfleet as this deeply xenophobic, isolationist entity. It doesn't even make any sense. The Federation is a coalition of hundreds of different worlds and civilizations, of which Starfleet is only a single entity. Even if for some reason Starfleet were dragging it's ass, the rest of the Federation would have helped Romulas without a second thought. (though tbh I'd be surprised if Kurtzman & co even realize there's a difference between The Federation and Starfleet). FFS, the Vulcans, who are part of the Federation, share common ancestry with the Romulans. Furthermore, the Romulan Star Empire is, by itself, every bit as large and technologically advanced as The Federation is, encompassing hundreds of worlds. Why would they even need help? Why do the Romulans appear to now be refugees, as if they had nowhere else to go now that Romulas is gone? They could have relocated to any of the other hundreds of worlds within the Romulan Empire.
Everything about it is stupid, and the only reason it's been included here is so Alex Kurtzman can flex at the audience because it was he and Orci who wrote the damn thing in the first place.
@@BullSession Again, I think people are forgetting the Dominion War. Not only it's depleting impact on the Federation & Romulan resources, but also the plotting politics that ensued between the two powers. The Romulan Star Empire nearly had the Tal Shiar completely wiped out. They repeatedly waffled until finally forging an alliance of convenience with the Federation to take on the Dominion.
I think the fact that only three warbirds engage the Scimitar alongside the Enterprise-E is further proof that they were completely decimated at this point.
Moreover the Federation at this time was absolutely full of xenophobia, particularly with Changlings infiltrating Earth.
Now you have Picard, the darling champion of Starfleet, campaigning the Federation for what little resources there may still be, to assist an open adversary.
Somehow Starfleet musters 10,000 warp capable vessels to placate Picard. Maybe even against their better judgement. And what happens?? The synths go rogue. (Smells like a Romulan or Section 31 plot to me, actually) and leaves the angry Federation and Starfleet with the worst egg on their face, while simultaneously undermining Picard's crusade to save the same adversaries whom the Federation or Starfleet likely tossed on their board as the number one culprit suspect list.
Star Trek Online sticks to continuity better, and is more faithful to Trek than this.
Change my mind
4:30 third reboot movie is great though, enough that I can actually forgive the worst elements of the first reboot movie because they lead to it.
there is no second reboot movie...
Yea, Beyond was decent.
@@BullSession I'm an nx fan...
People are screeching online to me cuz I keep saying this is JJ verse and people are plugging their ears..
Yeah, I dug Beyond for a multitude of reasons:
1. It was silly and cheesy sci-fi schlock that didn't take itself to seriously at times, but still painted a good mystery that wasn't just a knockoff of a pre-existing Star Trek plot.
2. An actually interesting villain who wasn't just a random Romulan or a shitty version of Kahn.
3. Good music.
4. They made Kirk more competent like he used to be in the original show.
5. Jaylah is great and hot and great.
6. They killed Spock off-screen (cuz Leonard Nimoy died and couldn't film his scenes) and yet still managed to give it a lot of emotional depth
I think my only real problem with the film (aside from that weird ending battle where they beat the bad guys with fucking Beastie Boys music) was that they made Sulu gay for no reason other than to tick off a box. Other than that, this was a pretty great film.
Beyond felt like a campy adventure of the week episode of the Original Series. It does have some issues but out of the Reboot trilogy it was the best.
I have to admit I have a soft spot for star trek 2009. Maybe that's just nostalgia talking as it looked at the time star trek at least in a flim or show formate was dead. Sure their were still books being pumped out but those have like decades of their own lore and characters so it super hard to find a what matters what Dosent, which books are good and which aren't. The comics at least the IDW ones have for the most part being pretty strong I can only think of one I own which is really god aurful. Even if the comics have this oppression with TOS and TNG and barely remember any other era of trek exists and god forbid they do anything original. Though the Kelvin time line was the trek flag ship comic for a few years and their petty dame good they actually make the Kelvin time line bareable and mean something beyond (ha actental pun) mindless action.
Hell I even like Kelvin Kirk which is something of a rarity for me as I'm not a big Kirk guy. He actually feels like kerk with out being all edgy " this anit your grand pars kerk about it" or " I'll sleep with anything with a pulse"
Though the Kelvin time line comics do some weird shit
Anyway I'd say 2009 is still a guilty pleasure for me. Into darkness was shit, it felt petty soulless and bleak for the sake of bleakness.
Beyond was a blast, it was silly, colourful , acturly about something beyond screaming and expulsions
As for why the Romulans at least Neros lot wanted vengace for them getting blown up by a super nova. It's explained that's one part due to a feeling that the federation but espealy the Vulcans draged their feet and didn't do enough fast enough. Bassicly beocracy
The other part is self despection and blame on the part of Nero and his crew putting all their faith in Spoke and the Vulcan's but being let down time and again and kind of getting the impression that the Vulcan's wanted this to happen.
Esensecaly Spock talking a good game but not doing enough in their eyes.
Is that Stewart’s actual face or was it shopped? The thumbnail I mean
It's a shoop
My nerdy heart broke the moment when I heard about the show and shattered when I saw the first episode of Picard.
Well i liked the first episode,.
It's more of the same of the JarJar Abrams Klutzman #BadReboot Drek. Once the Rose colored glasses and nostalgia wears off with viewers, this show will not be viewed as warmly especially if the rumors are true of the direction this show will take later on. Also noted that there was already breaks in the TNG Canon 10 minutes into the show which is annoying and supports my suspicions.
I'd rather have gotten a show about the aftermath of the Dominion War. Rene Auberjonois maybe gone, but, if I had to recast Odo I'd go with Alan Tudyk (heard him do a similar, gruff voice). Also, come on, Dukat would've escaped from the Pah-Wraith dimension. Eventually. Guy's too determined to remain in space hell forever. Imagine him returning, now with supernatural fire powers, starting another cult, this one comprised of Cardassians, bitter over their society going to pot, want to exterminate Bajor, which has since entered into a prosperous golden age, once & for all.
I personally liked Star Trek 2009 was it perfect nope but you know what as a movie on its own it was fine nothing special not terrible but just okay at best as for into the darkness it was meh at best again I have seen far worst movies but that’s just my opinion.
It isn't the worst ever, but Star Trek Into Darkness is one of my least favourite movies of all time. I've been sleeping on a 10 page script tearing it to pieces for about two years.
@@BullSession i can understand that and really two years huh man time fly's.
WTF I have never been able to watch the prequel movies. I always turn them off or skip ahead and watch only 5%. Those scenes; I never realized it was that bad!
So...they're going for a Fallout 4/Detroit: Become Human thing when it comes to androids? (i.e. - androids/synths can't be trusted/are evil).
I don't know if I should find that amused or be annoyed by that.
I'd be annoyed personal given the great, great pains that happened in TNG - Voyager for synethic life and now that's all thrown away.
Yeah, the latter. That spits in the face of Data, The Doctor, and others sentient AI over the years.
TV went extinct around 2040 by the Star Trek The Next Generation season 1 episode 26 The Neutral Zone
Shit like _Discovery_ and writers/producers like Abrams and Kurtzman are probably a lot of why.
Interviewed by black women who is totally racist about romulans is the best part of it all. Is that ironic or what ?
I find these videos more fun, nerd fandom is great. God I hate the new movies.
I was going to say once the video ended but you put it there at 9:35 there. I think Beyond was good. If the rest of the reboot series was like that... I wouldn't loathe it as much... like... I'd rather marthoon Voyager then watch into Darkness bad because you know what as Average to bad as that series was... it was still Star Trek.
Beyond is a perfect acceptable Star Trek film. It was kind of too little too late by that point though. Star Trek Into Darkness is maybe my most hated film that I've ever seen.
@@BullSession Oh I agree way too late kinda like season 3 of Enterprise, but it was a something I wanted to give them so to speak.
With the exception of Patrick Stewart's role as EP (since he does know what he wants and is doing), there's WAY TOO MANY COOKS. Having the morons behind 2009 Trek and Into Darkness won't go over well for some people who enjoyed TNG or the original show.
We'll see how the rest of the show is. So far, I have reservations but some hope it'll be good.
I think Star Trek has run of steam!
Entertaining review, but do you have to play that non-stop hectic music all the time as if you don't trust your own spoken-word content? At least for me, it would have been so much more fun just listening to what you have to say without trying to block out the needless noise in vain...
Why does it have to suck?? 😭😭😭
That's a fantastic question.
I just couldn’t. I watched about 10 minutes. When the girl “activated” I turned it off. I just can’t watch another story with a “super” girl as the hero. So overdone. So boring. So lame. Garbage woke BS.
LOL, whoa something is broken within you. 🤣but ok... I didn't mind it and don't think I ever will. I just like shows to reflect the time in which they are made and that's what this show is doing. Once a show tries to capture the old feel that's when I get bored. So for me, the show works.
Unworshipediety reflect the times? So you’d like an old white male bigot with orange hair as the lead hero? Because that would be just as bad and lame as the super girl Mary Sue types we keep getting. I’m not broken, western civilization is broken.
@@slycooze150 You do realize that she died in the first episode, and her abilities are simply the same ones Data and Lore had? If she's a Sue then they were Stus.
And Trek has always been "Woke". It really isn't a show for stuffy Conservatives.
This is the issue with reviewing the first episode of a series without having seen the rest of them. All your questions are answered and you just come off as impatient and annoying
If by all, you mean none, then sure.
guess there aren't too many true trek fans out there. Sad. The episode was great. I seriously don't get all the hate. You obviously didn't grow up watch the next generation or going to the theater to see the newest movie.
Damn, and here I thought that I *had* grown up watching TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and all the movies. You're right though, I guess becuase I didn't like this pilot, I must not be a *true* fan like you. Thanks for letting me know.
Bull Session I came off harsh I'll give you that. In all I should of just said I disagree. I likes your video I just think your nitpicking too much. It's not like star trek has always had great story's. But this picks up right where we have been waiting for. Maybe I'm wrong maybe people see thing from your perspective more then mine. Bottom line never did I think we see a new star trek that actually picks up where the others left off and not another prequel series. I apologize for my rudeness we are all fans here.
No worries mate
i was 19 when TNG went off the air and into syndacation and i wont give it a glance already got burned giving STD a chance and no i didnt watch the JJ drek movies either
Yeah, I kinda only got half-way through this review. I kinda subbed to the channel on another video but I really don't want to attach myself to another _This ain't my Startrek!" kinda channel. I'm really digging the Picard series. It's crazy how old he looks though, it totally reminds me of my own mortality and how time takes us all eventually. So watching him in another _phase_ of his life is very enjoyable because you don't often get to see heroic characters reach that point in which they're kinda physically not what they used to be all that often.
Anyways it's awesome to see another Star Trek fan out there that's not freaking complaining *all day* about how this series doesn't live up to the old shows and blah blah blah. Anyways, just showing you that I appreciate the hell out of this comment.