Card acquisition is talked about constantly and for good reason. It feels awful; worse than any game I've played. I LOVE Snap's gameplay loop, and if another game comes with something similar I could see myself jumping ship. Resources are so scarce, every time a card comes out it feels like a major decision where I need to watch youtubers analyze it before considering getting it. The number of series 5 cards relative to 4 is disgusting, given how much it roughly cost for each card. The spotlight cache system feels AWFUL! Risking 4 keys when you already own two of the other cards, to get two variants and a dupe/1K tokens it genuinely left me feeling sad one night. I've whaled out more than once, and it still feels that way! I can't imagine a low spender or f2p player. Regarding taking a break... Forget about a few months, or even a month. There was a period of time earlier this year where I logged on every day to just do dailies and log off, and I still felt so behind when I actually started playing again. I've always said if I take any kind of break, whether my own decision or just life getting in the way, that it would probably be the end of Snap for me because of how far behind you are if you take any time away. A video game should not be like that. They always talk about how they don't want the game to 'feel bad' for players in certain regards. Well, plenty of things in the game feel bad. Lastly, SD's greed is just more and more blatant with every decision. Every single thing they do it just feels like milking. FFS, look how expensive card borders are, for ONE card. Variants, gold, taking away the gold shop bonuses, expensive bundles, the series 5 thing. Brode said: "Imagine a game where you can't just spend hundreds of dollars and have all the cards" No Ben, instead you can spend hundreds of dollars and still not even have remotely close to all of the cards. Sorry for the novel.
This truly felt Also new cards being stupidly broken. Scorn, scream, wiccan. Etc It feels stupid 😡 or even missing one or two cards from high tier decks will visibly struggle in meta.
My friend you worded perfectly, they need to address the card acquisition. My thing is they need for spotlight caches able for you to pick what you want to use your keys on.
I stopped spending money when I realized how little the purchases got me. For around $10-$15, I could get 1500 credits - almost enough for an infinity split. That split gives me 31 levels - about 1/4 of a key, which is 1 out of 4 chance for a new card. I’m not spending $15 bucks for 1/16 of a card, plus an obnoxious amount of useless titles and pixel portraits.
I'd rather have Snap giving away cards like candies and mark up the cosmetic $$$. Instead they want to do both bad card acquisition and overpriced cosmetics.
Im a 1 month in player and im really frustrated about this issue...i refuse to pay 10$ for a card or anything for that matter... But getting stupid sayings or avatars every time is ridiculous...
Had enough of Snap. Started feeling like a job instead of a game a long time ago simply because of two main reasons, card acquisition is awful and greedy economy that only seems to get worse...
Honestly it's a simple fix to all of this. Go back to the original way but with a twist. Depending on your collection level should determine which card series you pull. The higher your collection level, the higher the pull rate for a 4 series or 5 series. Meaning duplicates shouldn't exist in the spotlight cache. Honestly I feel like they should move the spotlight cash key to 100+ collection levels to earn 1 key, and that 1 key gives you a guaranteed random series 5 you don't have, with a chance of still getting the newest card that dropped. I'll rather take my chances knowing I'll get a new series 5 with a chance of getting the newest card..over a different variant of Jeff and 1000 tokens any day
Honestly SD doesn't seem to think there's a problem with card collecting and it's a shame. Honestly it's gotten so bad and greedy that I've been getting these new " just for you bundle" that's a series 4 card I don't own at 50-75$ along with avatar, boosters sometimes gold or tokens. Honestly the game is getting not fun for me just because how the devs are treating both monetization and cards.
yea imagine paying $100 for a card with art work. with tokens, avatar with 1000 gold..... like come on, l think most of everything in this game including the variants are worth $10.... $50 is to high....
I’m collection level 1,860, and I’m still missing like half of the series three collection. I have more variants than series three cards. With the only card packs being $50 or $60, and with specific cards being make or break for decks, it sucks. I really wish there was a better/easier way to get cards. Haven’t gotten an actual new card for two or three-ish months now.
You made some really good points and I cannot agree with you more!! Thanks for putting this out there and making it known that this is unacceptable! I feel shackled to the game because I know that if I was to leave the game for let’s say one season, I would come back and not be able to acquire the new cards and just be playing catch up for the rest of the year.
Thank you! I want this game to keep being strong and have a positive experience for all. We all need breaks, but leaving for a season can be really bad if you want to stay pretty competitive. I will be disappearing when the new Monster Hunter comes out next year.
I started playing this June, have never experienced a series drop. I do all my missions, buy season passes, and still am a ways off from being pool 3 complete. I’d be happy to talk to you and share info on the new player experience and what a collection looks like after 6ish months.
I am in Pool 3 atm and got to Infinite the first time. So now when I play, I 95% meet ppl with 14k+ collection lvls. So I have to play vs full netdecks/collection and I still miss the keypieces for the Decktypes I play.... man that feels bad. I had a blast playing the game until that point, and wouldn´t mind playing bots instead of those netdecks. It feels like going in in every game with an handicap.
@@damianszachowicz9102 sry i am at 2k and i miss 50+ cards alone in pool 3... I did play up to 19k collection guys. Those should have all cards. But good to know that even at 14k you won´t have all cards. Thats quite sad....
Ben Brode thinks "İF we keep card acquisition in low rates people pay more money" while many people burned off from collection caches and terrible rng is just leaves AND once players leave returning this game so hard.This game keep runnin on fomo so you rather farm and pay or quit.I'm harvesting credits entire week and reaching to 5-7 k credits.And those credits goes to collection level and İF I'm lucky I'm getting One new cards.
I'm somewhat new to the game (started playing in June) and I'm just now able to build truly meta decks without extreme compromises. I lucked out by the grace of god to pull death, null, and x23 very early in series 3 so I could run a halfway decent destroy deck, but for a month or so after that became stale it was so hard to make interesting decks. Idk how many people would be willing to play the game for 4-5 months to have enough cards to fill out archetypes. I understand they have to make their money but man it felt really bad there for a while and I'm still like 15 cards away from being series 3 complete at 4.6k CL. I'd love to see more of those full deck kind of bundles maybe with a series 4/5 card on top for a good price but also it needs to be faster to either get keys or tokens because it takes like a month to get tokens+gold equal to 6k even with the season pass
Great video. This has plagued Snap since the early days. I've been a near-daily player since Oct 2022 and am still missing 7 cards. It's upsetting to see the downgrades they've given their player base.
new player returning was really a big issue, I had a friend who return back from a break and ask me to build a deck for him, I thought a basic destroy deck would be a good place to start, but i could not, he is missing cards like x-23, knull, nico etc. I feel so bad for him that I could not help they immediately say "fck" it and now is playing pokemon pockets. When ppl return, they want to immediately copy paste deck and ready to play.
Great vid, I know Griffin answered a question recently about card acquisition being improved in some way. I would love a revamp on spotlight caches entirely, so let's hope they get it right soon!
Thank you very much for talking about this topic. Without a doubt, this is one of the most frustrating issues in the game. I feel that players should put pressure on this company where it hurts most, in their pockets. Hopefully the competition with Pokémon will lead them to change their business strategy and respect their players more.
I remember when i started to play this game getting cards was so time consuming and hard. I am mainly f2p i bought only zabu pass and recent two ones. Still missing a lot of 5 series like blink, valentina thena antivenom, arana, toxin etc. getting cards in this game sucks i had no war machine until meta changed and i dont need him anymore..... Legends of runeterra was best in getting cards for just playing i could have built any deck and enjoy them, unfortunately pvp died there
As long as their core philosophy of "players shouldn't get all the cards" doesn't change, this card acquisition problem will just keep going and continue to bloat and bleed the game to death. It's the elephant in the room that they avoid dealing with because of eh, the eCoNomY. It's obvious that this is the root of all evil in this game (how it affects card balance, player retention, etc.) They made it sound impartial when it comes to balance changes vs. card acquisition (re: alot of Glenn's reply in past dev answers), but the fact of the matter is that if card acquisition wasn't so difficult, balance changes would be less of an issue. No one is justified to spend money on this game if all they do is keep killing the previous hot new thing and selling the next hot new thing. Can you imagine dropping big bucks just to assemble your favorite Loki / Thanos / whatever favorite card and their fancy variants/cosmetics just for them to get nerfed to an unplayable state?
This is definitely my problem with the game. It takes so much time and/or moneh to build up the resources just to obtain a card, and one update could nuke it into ground.
DP diner is the casual mode we need. No real "losses" on a lose or retreat, you just slow down how fast you can reach those milestones. Keeps the snap available and removes some of the feel bad of losing a bet. The biggest question mark is what if any rewards are applicable to said mode when rank mode has rewards so few n far between
Dude, no offense but you don't understand the psychology of people who need casual mode. Now, High Voltage is something I played more than I've ever played Snap in the last year and a half - and which finally disproved SD's excuse that they weren't providing Casual because of "technical complications". I had FUN. DP Diner on the other hand? Just by *reading* about the experience in the Discord - I never even opened that mode in the 2 weeks it was active! It was all the sweat of Ladder with the stress multiplied several times. Yes, you can't "fall back" as in Ladder - but you get even more HEIGHTENED experience of risk and losing when all your bubs are lost and you have to wait hours to even try again. Basically, the game unfortunately tries to attract two types of players - "gamblers" who like the Snap mechanic and LOVED DPDiner, and non-gamblers - who would rather not bother with the Snap and mostly hated Diner. There's nothing wrong to aim for dverse audience, if only Snap wasn't over-servicing the former, at the expense of the latter type of player.
One of the things that pulled me into snap was that "ranked mode" was so forgiving. I could take a new deck into ladder and have fun and experiment while my cube rate was affected less than my win rate until i found something that helped me climb. Today i play 3 decks, the best 3 decks i have (arishem and ultron for missions and and a ramp list for fun), and nothing else just so i can complete missions and get gold and keys to maybe get 1 new card which will need 4 other cards i don't have to make a competitive deck. Love the game but i just cant keep up.
I played snap since beta, but fell off about a year in because of burnout. Came back recently and felt like i could never make a deck and never catch up on any of the cards. I love the game but the monetization is so greedy it pushes me away I started playing Pocket and it feels so much more generous that i don't know if i can ever go back to snap.
I have 5 easy suggestions. 1. Make the weekly gold obtained 375 so at max every month you can get 2,000 gold if you hit galactic, and stay dedicated. That allows for 1 premium skin, and 800 leftover for the tick in the 800 gold slot or whatever you desire. This wouldn't devalue gold in anyway either. 2. Add a Rank called infinite, and beyond that gives, boosters, borders, gold, and tokens at the end of the season With increasing rewards for top 10% of players so ranked isn't useless after 90. 3. Begone with Dupes altogether or make dupes worth 3k. 4. Cache Tokens should vary between 250-500 . 5.Alliance races. High preforming alliances battle for rewards.
1) Yes, more gold for players 2) I think that's a great idea, even if it's just extra credits. After I hit Infinite, it becomes the new Proving Grounds for me where I test decks. 3) Yes. 3k is needed. 4) It would feel so much better even if it was 200. 100 is just sad. 5) I'm too fat for a race :(
Thank you for explaining with Maths what we understood on an emotional level, ie that the collection track sucks. You're point about the money being in cool varients is a great point. The current game resources are so scarce I for one cannot justify spending money on shiny versions of cards I all ready have when I am saving for cards that I want. For context I have been playing since launch, I am collection level 16K+ and have all the season pass cards. With Balatro now available on phones and this new pocket Pokemon game out I'm not sure if snap is going to keep me coming back for much longer. I have no nostalgia for Pokemon but I might give it a go as Snap just isn't holding my interest anymore
I'm going to be making a video on Pokemon and SNAP soon. I'd appreciate if you would comment on that video when it comes out to talk about Pokemon Pocket.
Being able to play a new card every week is the best way to keep people entertained ... and all the others frustrated. So yes, of course, when there is a great card, F2P have access to it with token or spotlight. But is this enough ? I don't think so. I thought about stopping the game multiple times because I am getting bored. I agree that the season pass card needs to be great, and that it can only be accessed after the season ... But I think allowing weekly cards to be "tested" in a potential "casual mode" would be a good way to entertain all of us.
Easy fix for a casual mode is Proving Grounds. Remove the round based mechanics and have it as a game mode with out the Snap mechanic. I personally don’t think its the end of the world if the winner is reward a Silver ticket still as well.
SNAP is just too greedy plain and simple man. They want all the schmeckles. That just can't be happy with being the most successful and profitable digital TCG in existence based on the time frame its been out and money gained. Like literally they already smashed thru the ceiling and now they wanna build the tower of Babel but the players ain't feeling it. We all know what happened to the tower of Babel.
Great video, I need more booster’s, I want to do more splits with the card I have. And some time once in a while get a new card. But plz Second Dinner make it so we get more booster’s!!
Also the random spotlight card is heavily weighted in favor of being a series 4 card, which is another reason series 5 shouldn’t be bigger than series 4
Tbh the way I think they should fix this is just to not make a limit on missions. Just keep giving us missions we keep playing the game we keep grinding our collection. Reward the people putting time into the game
Ya know, that aint bad. Double the weekly missions, OR add a new mission section that is just 2 missions which refresh when you complete both that give you just some mix of boosters, xp, or credits.
It’s weird how to a player it feels like Snap would be the perfect game if the people in charge treated it like Legends of Runeterra. I loved High Voltage because I got my quests done twice as fast.
Imo there's enough cards in the card pool now to just simply have some type of "lootbox" that grants you a card and make it a weekly thing and you can buy more with gold or tokens
It’s easy, uninstall the game, they know they can keep doing this, executive doesn’t care if you like the game, they want your wallet, you know, they know, everyone knows they are squeezing every single pocket out there, when every one is complaining you can’t get any new card, the season pass sucks. And rest of shop is ridiculous expansive at $20 for a card and cheap ass credit, and worst part, credit can’t get you far, since you will get a bunch of useless titles and ugly pixel avatar…. It’s more of WTF ATM. They see they are getting away from it, so why change since when all the player that stayed, it’s a choice you want to be treated that way by a money hungry company. It’s BS when you need to spend more than a AAA game on mobile in a year. It’s a fk off game now.
I originally stopped playing right after the first overhaul they did to card acquisition when they introduced tokens because it ruined the game for me. Just started playing again after trying pocket... good to see its only gotten worse.
We need a mode in which we can use all the cards for free, we need to remove tickets from the spotlight caches, that almost made me quit the game as a free player, and we need to make it fun to use the cards, maybe a mode in which if you combine four cards from the same group, let's say Xmen you get an extra buff, too many cards go unused cause they are way too weaker when compared to others.
There should be a casual mode to simply just play the game with no stakes, no snapping needed, call it "testing grounds" or something. I agree with everything stated about the monetization, there's simply no reason why they shouldn't be dropping series 4 cards left and right on the reserves, the series bellow the current one should be accessible in reserves, locking 2 entire series behind ever more scarce tokens and keys is insane.
@@GreedyDemonTTV Proving grounds is the entry to Conquest, there's stakes in it and most players don't go to Proving grounds to play casually, it's just something to get out of the way so they can move upwards. That's not in the spirit of what I'm describing.
It is rather: SNAP gameplay B+ tier monetization D tier Pokemon pocket: gameplay C+ tier Monetization: A tier Don't you guys play card games? Gwent before Homecoming, MtG and Duel Masters are S tier games in terms of gameplay. HS, PvZ Heroes, Lorcana, are A tier for certain in terms of gameplay. And this are the examples that come top of my mind.
Series 5 felt special when it was supposed to be the "Big Bads". I spent so long racking up 6k tokens for thanos and high evo. 6k for Arana or Malekith feels so... not worth it.
Interesting vid! Although I don’t get the argument that PG isn’t a casual mode. I can choose to leave after 1 game if I want, and I’ve lost nothing and gained nothing. That’s surely a casual mode.
I always thought the ladder to infinite was casual mode. 🤷🏽♂️ I never feel the need to sweat in the game cause my only “grind” is to lvl 70 almost always. The 1 and only time I went for infinite was spider man theme season recently. I made it, it was a fun time. However I didn’t feel like everything was on the line. People gotta stop looking at normal ladder as RANKED mode. Cause it really isn’t in my eyes. Conquest to me was ranked mode cause there is even more in stake and there are different levels to it and it’s longer. which is why I hated it. I guess, conquest just makes ranked ladder looks like not much to me.
It's kinda crazy that people still talk about card acquisition.Fact of the matter is card design is just faulty. If it wasn't there would be no need for constant OTAs. Let's just call them complete overhauls. Get hit by the fomo bug and then in a very short time the card has lost its' value. Marvel snap will be fortunate to last another year 2 tops. Especially when games like Overpower ( originally a hero / villain) based tcg reboots. As an added bonus intellectual properties from Edgar rice burroughs.As opposed to cosmetics you can actually own the card. In addition they will be offered at a reasonable price point in comparison to the current market. I hope people give overpower a try. Don't forget you will be able to use cards originally published from 1995. Ttfn
They should just make it like any other card game give us packs. People think it's expensive but like paying $300 for every card in the game when a set comes out is way more affordable
Yea not everyone has 300 to drop on a mobile game…. And then everyone that does would drive off everyone that doesn’t so not really as good idea this ain’t pocket.
@michaelcastoria no I'm just saying that you can drop that 300 whenever in marvel snap you can never drop 300 to get anything. You would have to spend like $20,000 probably to get every card since you can't buy them if you just started the game tomorrow. Digital pack games are the same as in real life card games. When a new set comes out it's usually $300 to get every card in it. Like I play Yu-Gi-Oh and it usually takes you $1,200 at least to make a meta deck buying all the Staples. 80% of the deck is really cheap but you need three copies of the rarest cards in the deck and they're usually $80 a copy. But it's risky with Yu-Gi-Oh because after 6 months it could get banned into the ground and then you'll have to spend at least to make a new deck. Magic the gathering is much more affordable if you play in one of their formats you can spend like $1,200 and make a deck and make it forever. You got to realize that a digital card game is the same thing as an in real life card game if you want the cards you got to spend. But with good digital card games you can get all the material to make the cards you just have to wait a long time. You're expected to pay though lake with hearthstone it would take you forever to get all the crafting material to make a deck if you're not paying.
@@michaelcastoria I tried to reply to you but UA-cam always delete my replies. I was just trying to say regardless if it's a digital game it's still a card game you got to pay for the cards. It's the same thing if you play it in real life with card packs or a digital game where you're paying for the packs comes out to be the same price. You can't buy the cards if you wanted to when you just started. Even if you spent like $10,000 you might get half of the cards you need.
They have the data, each and every card played, each and every game. They see which cards from all series 1-5. Which turn is snapped when certain cards are drawn. Sure its probably impossible to read from one day to the next but generally speaking, why would they series drop certain cards when people will grind, save up, or pay for tokens or keys. If they cheapen the best cards then their data and profit will spike, up & down. The only reason they will give us a handout is when they want people to stay or return. But its not that drastic yet, and wont be until people actually stop spending money and time. But why reduce prices when people stop spending money? I remember before spotlight keys progression felt so good, i got massive amounts of gold & tokens. Also they released 4 cards a month, including the season pass. Now its 5 and reduced currencies. I stopped spending money outside of the season pass and occasional gold pass. Doesnt feel good and i still get 1-3 cards a month outside of season pass, but i have to save and wait for a specific week that i want to spend my keys or gold for token bundles, either tuesdays or very rare gold bundles. Its a shame and as a collection level 15k i cannot imagine being a new or returning player. Dont think second dinner will change their ways unless people voice their concerns, stop spending money, or leave the game completely.
I just finished collecting series 3. I have less than half of series 4 and not much series 5. I wind up playing Arishem without Blob and Surtur without Skarr, etc. Never got Marvel Boy, Scarlet Spider, etc I'm trying to get Malekith but it looks like I won't. The game is great, except for this one issue. The whole system of spotlight keys and caches is by far the worst part of the game.
I’m dropping Snap for 1yr. 24keys, 40k tokens, 200+ reserves should get me all the meta cards for the nxt yr so idk they need another way to acquire cards or reduce the cost of cards.
They also make imba cards, and then nerf them before the next imba is released. Looks like a scam for whales. In the summer I literally burped from the meta and consided as soon as I saw Arishem’s deck
Your sample size of ten collectors reserves was way to small to be making all those assumptions out of that you did. You'd need at least 1000 and should just look up the odds and calculate it out instead. The odds are required to be listed by laws outside america so I'm sure they're available from Second Dinner themselves. Great video overall!!!!
i agree with you but mobile game devs only make games to extract money from you, so there's no way they're going to change anything. If the game ends up dying, then they just make a new game thats attractive to new players and then slowly do what they've done with Snap.
your video is Amazing i support u but team 2nd dinner they are so greedy for money and i think will get worst just look the current shop and bundles u will understand the direction of the game
like we care about stupid shiny borders that you can buy with gold. I just cannot play archtypes like Thanos, Tribunal, Arashim, Galactus and High evo, just because i do not have those cards.
I like the titles, but there are just so many. It's a cheap shitty way for them to keep adding cosmetics into caches. Titles as rewards on the season pass track or new game modes I 100% love. Every other cache I open? No thank you.
I'm somewhat new to the game (started playing in June) and I'm just now able to build truly meta decks without extreme compromises. I lucked out by the grace of god to pull death, null, and x23 very early in series 3 so I could run a halfway decent destroy deck, but for a month or so after that became stale it was so hard to make interesting decks. Idk how many people would be willing to play the game for 4-5 months to have enough cards to fill out archetypes. I understand they have to make their money but man it felt really bad there for a while and I'm still like 15 cards away from being series 3 complete at 4.6k CL. I'd love to see more of those full deck kind of bundles maybe with a series 4/5 card on top for a good price but also it needs to be faster to either get keys or tokens because it takes like a month to get tokens+gold equal to 6k even with the season pass
Card acquisition is talked about constantly and for good reason. It feels awful; worse than any game I've played. I LOVE Snap's gameplay loop, and if another game comes with something similar I could see myself jumping ship. Resources are so scarce, every time a card comes out it feels like a major decision where I need to watch youtubers analyze it before considering getting it. The number of series 5 cards relative to 4 is disgusting, given how much it roughly cost for each card. The spotlight cache system feels AWFUL! Risking 4 keys when you already own two of the other cards, to get two variants and a dupe/1K tokens it genuinely left me feeling sad one night. I've whaled out more than once, and it still feels that way! I can't imagine a low spender or f2p player.
Regarding taking a break... Forget about a few months, or even a month. There was a period of time earlier this year where I logged on every day to just do dailies and log off, and I still felt so behind when I actually started playing again. I've always said if I take any kind of break, whether my own decision or just life getting in the way, that it would probably be the end of Snap for me because of how far behind you are if you take any time away. A video game should not be like that. They always talk about how they don't want the game to 'feel bad' for players in certain regards. Well, plenty of things in the game feel bad.
Lastly, SD's greed is just more and more blatant with every decision. Every single thing they do it just feels like milking. FFS, look how expensive card borders are, for ONE card. Variants, gold, taking away the gold shop bonuses, expensive bundles, the series 5 thing. Brode said: "Imagine a game where you can't just spend hundreds of dollars and have all the cards" No Ben, instead you can spend hundreds of dollars and still not even have remotely close to all of the cards.
Sorry for the novel.
This truly felt
Also new cards being stupidly broken. Scorn, scream, wiccan. Etc
It feels stupid 😡 or even missing one or two cards from high tier decks will visibly struggle in meta.
My friend you worded perfectly, they need to address the card acquisition. My thing is they need for spotlight caches able for you to pick what you want to use your keys on.
Agree completely. Haven't received a card from a cache in 2 months. And 4/5 keys have been turned to tokens. Seems so unfair recently
What sucks with series drops is they tend to use the drops as a trash can. Good cards are always going to stay series five no matter how old they are.
I stopped spending money when I realized how little the purchases got me. For around $10-$15, I could get 1500 credits - almost enough for an infinity split. That split gives me 31 levels - about 1/4 of a key, which is 1 out of 4 chance for a new card. I’m not spending $15 bucks for 1/16 of a card, plus an obnoxious amount of useless titles and pixel portraits.
I'd rather have Snap giving away cards like candies and mark up the cosmetic $$$.
Instead they want to do both bad card acquisition and overpriced cosmetics.
Im a 1 month in player and im really frustrated about this issue...i refuse to pay 10$ for a card or anything for that matter...
But getting stupid sayings or avatars every time is ridiculous...
Had enough of Snap. Started feeling like a job instead of a game a long time ago simply because of two main reasons, card acquisition is awful and greedy economy that only seems to get worse...
Honestly it's a simple fix to all of this. Go back to the original way but with a twist. Depending on your collection level should determine which card series you pull. The higher your collection level, the higher the pull rate for a 4 series or 5 series. Meaning duplicates shouldn't exist in the spotlight cache. Honestly I feel like they should move the spotlight cash key to 100+ collection levels to earn 1 key, and that 1 key gives you a guaranteed random series 5 you don't have, with a chance of still getting the newest card that dropped. I'll rather take my chances knowing I'll get a new series 5 with a chance of getting the newest card..over a different variant of Jeff and 1000 tokens any day
Honestly SD doesn't seem to think there's a problem with card collecting and it's a shame. Honestly it's gotten so bad and greedy that I've been getting these new " just for you bundle" that's a series 4 card I don't own at 50-75$ along with avatar, boosters sometimes gold or tokens. Honestly the game is getting not fun for me just because how the devs are treating both monetization and cards.
yea imagine paying $100 for a card with art work. with tokens, avatar with 1000 gold..... like come on, l think most of everything in this game including the variants are worth $10.... $50 is to high....
I’m collection level 1,860, and I’m still missing like half of the series three collection. I have more variants than series three cards. With the only card packs being $50 or $60, and with specific cards being make or break for decks, it sucks. I really wish there was a better/easier way to get cards. Haven’t gotten an actual new card for two or three-ish months now.
That's really messed up and very disheartening to someone trying to play and enjoy the game.
You made some really good points and I cannot agree with you more!! Thanks for putting this out there and making it known that this is unacceptable!
I feel shackled to the game because I know that if I was to leave the game for let’s say one season, I would come back and not be able to acquire the new cards and just be playing catch up for the rest of the year.
Thank you! I want this game to keep being strong and have a positive experience for all. We all need breaks, but leaving for a season can be really bad if you want to stay pretty competitive. I will be disappearing when the new Monster Hunter comes out next year.
I started playing this June, have never experienced a series drop. I do all my missions, buy season passes, and still am a ways off from being pool 3 complete. I’d be happy to talk to you and share info on the new player experience and what a collection looks like after 6ish months.
I am in Pool 3 atm and got to Infinite the first time. So now when I play, I 95% meet ppl with 14k+ collection lvls. So I have to play vs full netdecks/collection and I still miss the keypieces for the Decktypes I play.... man that feels bad.
I had a blast playing the game until that point, and wouldn´t mind playing bots instead of those netdecks. It feels like going in in every game with an handicap.
Bro im 14k lvl and Miss still 21 cards😂
@@damianszachowicz9102 sry i am at 2k and i miss 50+ cards alone in pool 3...
I did play up to 19k collection guys. Those should have all cards. But good to know that even at 14k you won´t have all cards. Thats quite sad....
Ben Brode thinks "İF we keep card acquisition in low rates people pay more money" while many people burned off from collection caches and terrible rng is just leaves AND once players leave returning this game so hard.This game keep runnin on fomo so you rather farm and pay or quit.I'm harvesting credits entire week and reaching to 5-7 k credits.And those credits goes to collection level and İF I'm lucky I'm getting One new cards.
I'm somewhat new to the game (started playing in June) and I'm just now able to build truly meta decks without extreme compromises. I lucked out by the grace of god to pull death, null, and x23 very early in series 3 so I could run a halfway decent destroy deck, but for a month or so after that became stale it was so hard to make interesting decks. Idk how many people would be willing to play the game for 4-5 months to have enough cards to fill out archetypes. I understand they have to make their money but man it felt really bad there for a while and I'm still like 15 cards away from being series 3 complete at 4.6k CL. I'd love to see more of those full deck kind of bundles maybe with a series 4/5 card on top for a good price but also it needs to be faster to either get keys or tokens because it takes like a month to get tokens+gold equal to 6k even with the season pass
Great video. This has plagued Snap since the early days. I've been a near-daily player since Oct 2022 and am still missing 7 cards. It's upsetting to see the downgrades they've given their player base.
new player returning was really a big issue, I had a friend who return back from a break and ask me to build a deck for him, I thought a basic destroy deck would be a good place to start, but i could not, he is missing cards like x-23, knull, nico etc. I feel so bad for him that I could not help
they immediately say "fck" it and now is playing pokemon pockets. When ppl return, they want to immediately copy paste deck and ready to play.
Great vid, I know Griffin answered a question recently about card acquisition being improved in some way. I would love a revamp on spotlight caches entirely, so let's hope they get it right soon!
Thank you very much for talking about this topic.
Without a doubt, this is one of the most frustrating issues in the game.
I feel that players should put pressure on this company where it hurts most, in their pockets.
Hopefully the competition with Pokémon will lead them to change their business strategy and respect their players more.
I remember when i started to play this game getting cards was so time consuming and hard. I am mainly f2p i bought only zabu pass and recent two ones. Still missing a lot of 5 series like blink, valentina thena antivenom, arana, toxin etc. getting cards in this game sucks i had no war machine until meta changed and i dont need him anymore..... Legends of runeterra was best in getting cards for just playing i could have built any deck and enjoy them, unfortunately pvp died there
As long as their core philosophy of "players shouldn't get all the cards" doesn't change, this card acquisition problem will just keep going and continue to bloat and bleed the game to death. It's the elephant in the room that they avoid dealing with because of eh, the eCoNomY. It's obvious that this is the root of all evil in this game (how it affects card balance, player retention, etc.)
They made it sound impartial when it comes to balance changes vs. card acquisition (re: alot of Glenn's reply in past dev answers), but the fact of the matter is that if card acquisition wasn't so difficult, balance changes would be less of an issue. No one is justified to spend money on this game if all they do is keep killing the previous hot new thing and selling the next hot new thing. Can you imagine dropping big bucks just to assemble your favorite Loki / Thanos / whatever favorite card and their fancy variants/cosmetics just for them to get nerfed to an unplayable state?
This is definitely my problem with the game. It takes so much time and/or moneh to build up the resources just to obtain a card, and one update could nuke it into ground.
They're just too greedy to care...
DP diner is the casual mode we need. No real "losses" on a lose or retreat, you just slow down how fast you can reach those milestones. Keeps the snap available and removes some of the feel bad of losing a bet. The biggest question mark is what if any rewards are applicable to said mode when rank mode has rewards so few n far between
Dude, no offense but you don't understand the psychology of people who need casual mode. Now, High Voltage is something I played more than I've ever played Snap in the last year and a half - and which finally disproved SD's excuse that they weren't providing Casual because of "technical complications". I had FUN.
DP Diner on the other hand? Just by *reading* about the experience in the Discord - I never even opened that mode in the 2 weeks it was active! It was all the sweat of Ladder with the stress multiplied several times. Yes, you can't "fall back" as in Ladder - but you get even more HEIGHTENED experience of risk and losing when all your bubs are lost and you have to wait hours to even try again.
Basically, the game unfortunately tries to attract two types of players - "gamblers" who like the Snap mechanic and LOVED DPDiner, and non-gamblers - who would rather not bother with the Snap and mostly hated Diner. There's nothing wrong to aim for dverse audience, if only Snap wasn't over-servicing the former, at the expense of the latter type of player.
One of the things that pulled me into snap was that "ranked mode" was so forgiving. I could take a new deck into ladder and have fun and experiment while my cube rate was affected less than my win rate until i found something that helped me climb. Today i play 3 decks, the best 3 decks i have (arishem and ultron for missions and and a ramp list for fun), and nothing else just so i can complete missions and get gold and keys to maybe get 1 new card which will need 4 other cards i don't have to make a competitive deck. Love the game but i just cant keep up.
That Cosmo variant would be sooooo dope!! I love it!
YES IT WOULD!!!!!
I played snap since beta, but fell off about a year in because of burnout. Came back recently and felt like i could never make a deck and never catch up on any of the cards. I love the game but the monetization is so greedy it pushes me away
I started playing Pocket and it feels so much more generous that i don't know if i can ever go back to snap.
I have 5 easy suggestions.
1. Make the weekly gold obtained 375 so at max every month you can get 2,000 gold if you hit galactic, and stay dedicated.
That allows for 1 premium skin, and 800 leftover for the tick in the 800 gold slot or whatever you desire. This wouldn't devalue gold in anyway either.
2. Add a Rank called infinite, and beyond that gives, boosters, borders, gold, and tokens at the end of the season With increasing rewards for top 10% of players so ranked isn't useless after 90.
3. Begone with Dupes altogether or make dupes worth 3k.
4. Cache Tokens should vary between 250-500 .
5.Alliance races. High preforming alliances battle for rewards.
1) Yes, more gold for players
2) I think that's a great idea, even if it's just extra credits. After I hit Infinite, it becomes the new Proving Grounds for me where I test decks.
3) Yes. 3k is needed.
4) It would feel so much better even if it was 200. 100 is just sad.
5) I'm too fat for a race :(
@@KalthoonSnaps LIMBER UP BOI
Thank you for explaining with Maths what we understood on an emotional level, ie that the collection track sucks. You're point about the money being in cool varients is a great point. The current game resources are so scarce I for one cannot justify spending money on shiny versions of cards I all ready have when I am saving for cards that I want. For context I have been playing since launch, I am collection level 16K+ and have all the season pass cards. With Balatro now available on phones and this new pocket Pokemon game out I'm not sure if snap is going to keep me coming back for much longer. I have no nostalgia for Pokemon but I might give it a go as Snap just isn't holding my interest anymore
I'm going to be making a video on Pokemon and SNAP soon. I'd appreciate if you would comment on that video when it comes out to talk about Pokemon Pocket.
Being able to play a new card every week is the best way to keep people entertained ... and all the others frustrated. So yes, of course, when there is a great card, F2P have access to it with token or spotlight. But is this enough ? I don't think so. I thought about stopping the game multiple times because I am getting bored. I agree that the season pass card needs to be great, and that it can only be accessed after the season ... But I think allowing weekly cards to be "tested" in a potential "casual mode" would be a good way to entertain all of us.
Easy fix for a casual mode is Proving Grounds. Remove the round based mechanics and have it as a game mode with out the Snap mechanic. I personally don’t think its the end of the world if the winner is reward a Silver ticket still as well.
SNAP is just too greedy plain and simple man.
They want all the schmeckles.
That just can't be happy with being the most successful and profitable digital TCG in existence based on the time frame its been out and money gained.
Like literally they already smashed thru the ceiling and now they wanna build the tower of Babel but the players ain't feeling it.
We all know what happened to the tower of Babel.
Great video, I need more booster’s, I want to do more splits with the card I have. And some time once in a while get a new card.
But plz Second Dinner make it so we get more booster’s!!
Also the random spotlight card is heavily weighted in favor of being a series 4 card, which is another reason series 5 shouldn’t be bigger than series 4
Tbh the way I think they should fix this is just to not make a limit on missions. Just keep giving us missions we keep playing the game we keep grinding our collection. Reward the people putting time into the game
Ya know, that aint bad. Double the weekly missions, OR add a new mission section that is just 2 missions which refresh when you complete both that give you just some mix of boosters, xp, or credits.
It’s weird how to a player it feels like Snap would be the perfect game if the people in charge treated it like Legends of Runeterra.
I loved High Voltage because I got my quests done twice as fast.
The thing we are all failing to see is that they really couldn't care less cause their whales will always support them and thats all they need.
I wish you would make a discord bro you're so genuine.
You are 100% right. Increasing Tokens is the solution.
Imo there's enough cards in the card pool now to just simply have some type of "lootbox" that grants you a card and make it a weekly thing and you can buy more with gold or tokens
Thanks for doing this video but nothing will change they don't care about the players it's so obvious.
It’s easy, uninstall the game, they know they can keep doing this, executive doesn’t care if you like the game, they want your wallet, you know, they know, everyone knows they are squeezing every single pocket out there, when every one is complaining you can’t get any new card, the season pass sucks. And rest of shop is ridiculous expansive at $20 for a card and cheap ass credit, and worst part, credit can’t get you far, since you will get a bunch of useless titles and ugly pixel avatar…. It’s more of WTF ATM. They see they are getting away from it, so why change since when all the player that stayed, it’s a choice you want to be treated that way by a money hungry company.
It’s BS when you need to spend more than a AAA game on mobile in a year. It’s a fk off game now.
I started playing last year.....and when I tell you that this game annoys me with the collectors caches
Different Timeline.
I originally stopped playing right after the first overhaul they did to card acquisition when they introduced tokens because it ruined the game for me. Just started playing again after trying pocket... good to see its only gotten worse.
I have a really difficult time recommending Snap to friends that I know will love it, due to how fucked card acquisition is
We need a mode in which we can use all the cards for free, we need to remove tickets from the spotlight caches, that almost made me quit the game as a free player, and we need to make it fun to use the cards, maybe a mode in which if you combine four cards from the same group, let's say Xmen you get an extra buff, too many cards go unused cause they are way too weaker when compared to others.
Access to all cards and it's against the computer. Give people that freedom and experience! That's a really great idea!!!
There should be a casual mode to simply just play the game with no stakes, no snapping needed, call it "testing grounds" or something. I agree with everything stated about the monetization, there's simply no reason why they shouldn't be dropping series 4 cards left and right on the reserves, the series bellow the current one should be accessible in reserves, locking 2 entire series behind ever more scarce tokens and keys is insane.
Proving grounds?
@@GreedyDemonTTV Proving grounds is the entry to Conquest, there's stakes in it and most players don't go to Proving grounds to play casually, it's just something to get out of the way so they can move upwards. That's not in the spirit of what I'm describing.
It is rather:
SNAP
gameplay B+ tier
monetization D tier
Pokemon pocket:
gameplay C+ tier
Monetization: A tier
Don't you guys play card games? Gwent before Homecoming, MtG and Duel Masters are S tier games in terms of gameplay. HS, PvZ Heroes, Lorcana, are A tier for certain in terms of gameplay. And this are the examples that come top of my mind.
Series 5 felt special when it was supposed to be the "Big Bads". I spent so long racking up 6k tokens for thanos and high evo. 6k for Arana or Malekith feels so... not worth it.
More so when the new Series 5 card is very much "Why aren't you Series 4?" Arana is great, but Series 5? No.
Interesting vid! Although I don’t get the argument that PG isn’t a casual mode. I can choose to leave after 1 game if I want, and I’ve lost nothing and gained nothing. That’s surely a casual mode.
I always thought the ladder to infinite was casual mode. 🤷🏽♂️ I never feel the need to sweat in the game cause my only “grind” is to lvl 70 almost always. The 1 and only time I went for infinite was spider man theme season recently. I made it, it was a fun time. However I didn’t feel like everything was on the line.
People gotta stop looking at normal ladder as RANKED mode. Cause it really isn’t in my eyes. Conquest to me was ranked mode cause there is even more in stake and there are different levels to it and it’s longer. which is why I hated it. I guess, conquest just makes ranked ladder looks like not much to me.
It's kinda crazy that people still talk about card acquisition.Fact of the matter is card design is just faulty. If it wasn't there would be no need for constant OTAs. Let's just call them complete overhauls. Get hit by the fomo bug and then in a very short time the card has lost its' value. Marvel snap will be fortunate to last another year 2 tops. Especially when games like Overpower ( originally a hero / villain) based tcg reboots. As an added bonus intellectual properties from Edgar rice burroughs.As opposed to cosmetics you can actually own the card. In addition they will be offered at a reasonable price point in comparison to the current market. I hope people give overpower a try. Don't forget you will be able to use cards originally published from 1995. Ttfn
They should just make it like any other card game give us packs. People think it's expensive but like paying $300 for every card in the game when a set comes out is way more affordable
Yea not everyone has 300 to drop on a mobile game…. And then everyone that does would drive off everyone that doesn’t so not really as good idea this ain’t pocket.
@michaelcastoria no I'm just saying that you can drop that 300 whenever in marvel snap you can never drop 300 to get anything. You would have to spend like $20,000 probably to get every card since you can't buy them if you just started the game tomorrow.
Digital pack games are the same as in real life card games. When a new set comes out it's usually $300 to get every card in it.
Like I play Yu-Gi-Oh and it usually takes you $1,200 at least to make a meta deck buying all the Staples. 80% of the deck is really cheap but you need three copies of the rarest cards in the deck and they're usually $80 a copy. But it's risky with Yu-Gi-Oh because after 6 months it could get banned into the ground and then you'll have to spend at least to make a new deck.
Magic the gathering is much more affordable if you play in one of their formats you can spend like $1,200 and make a deck and make it forever.
You got to realize that a digital card game is the same thing as an in real life card game if you want the cards you got to spend. But with good digital card games you can get all the material to make the cards you just have to wait a long time. You're expected to pay though lake with hearthstone it would take you forever to get all the crafting material to make a deck if you're not paying.
@@michaelcastoria I tried to reply to you but UA-cam always delete my replies. I was just trying to say regardless if it's a digital game it's still a card game you got to pay for the cards. It's the same thing if you play it in real life with card packs or a digital game where you're paying for the packs comes out to be the same price. You can't buy the cards if you wanted to when you just started. Even if you spent like $10,000 you might get half of the cards you need.
They have the data, each and every card played, each and every game. They see which cards from all series 1-5. Which turn is snapped when certain cards are drawn.
Sure its probably impossible to read from one day to the next but generally speaking, why would they series drop certain cards when people will grind, save up, or pay for tokens or keys.
If they cheapen the best cards then their data and profit will spike, up & down. The only reason they will give us a handout is when they want people to stay or return. But its not that drastic yet, and wont be until people actually stop spending money and time. But why reduce prices when people stop spending money?
I remember before spotlight keys progression felt so good, i got massive amounts of gold & tokens. Also they released 4 cards a month, including the season pass. Now its 5 and reduced currencies. I stopped spending money outside of the season pass and occasional gold pass. Doesnt feel good and i still get 1-3 cards a month outside of season pass, but i have to save and wait for a specific week that i want to spend my keys or gold for token bundles, either tuesdays or very rare gold bundles.
Its a shame and as a collection level 15k i cannot imagine being a new or returning player. Dont think second dinner will change their ways unless people voice their concerns, stop spending money, or leave the game completely.
I just finished collecting series 3. I have less than half of series 4 and not much series 5. I wind up playing Arishem without Blob and Surtur without Skarr, etc. Never got Marvel Boy, Scarlet Spider, etc I'm trying to get Malekith but it looks like I won't. The game is great, except for this one issue. The whole system of spotlight keys and caches is by far the worst part of the game.
I’m dropping Snap for 1yr. 24keys, 40k tokens, 200+ reserves should get me all the meta cards for the nxt yr so idk they need another way to acquire cards or reduce the cost of cards.
The causal mode should include mastery points .
They also make imba cards, and then nerf them before the next imba is released. Looks like a scam for whales. In the summer I literally burped from the meta and consided as soon as I saw Arishem’s deck
Your sample size of ten collectors reserves was way to small to be making all those assumptions out of that you did. You'd need at least 1000 and should just look up the odds and calculate it out instead. The odds are required to be listed by laws outside america so I'm sure they're available from Second Dinner themselves. Great video overall!!!!
i agree with you but mobile game devs only make games to extract money from you, so there's no way they're going to change anything. If the game ends up dying, then they just make a new game thats attractive to new players and then slowly do what they've done with Snap.
I hope second dinner is watching.... I'm getting ready angry not getting cards
They didn't even include scorn in the $30 discard bundle 🙈 what a joke.
The $30 bundle was just series 3 cards that were Discard synergy. SD probably would have charged $100 if Scorn was there.
I’ve gotten variants from season pass caches
Didn’t you say you quit this game?
My collection level is 4200, and I'm still on series 3
your video is Amazing i support u but team 2nd dinner they are so greedy for money and i think will get worst just look the current shop and bundles u will understand the direction of the game
I don't have much series 5 or cards and I draw Loki twice in 2 months..... It too so long to aquire keys and getting dups kill the soul 😂😂😂😂
like we care about stupid shiny borders that you can buy with gold.
I just cannot play archtypes like Thanos, Tribunal, Arashim, Galactus and High evo, just because i do not have those cards.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 now there no card dorp since June lmao Loki still a Series 5
Nando Moura só que não comunista.
What do they mean it's hard to come back? Decks that were good a year ago are still good now.
Delete titles from the game. I don't need it
I like the titles, but there are just so many. It's a cheap shitty way for them to keep adding cosmetics into caches. Titles as rewards on the season pass track or new game modes I 100% love. Every other cache I open? No thank you.
@KalthoonSnaps yes, titles and credits instead of cards
Can you coach me to infinite? :)
I'm somewhat new to the game (started playing in June) and I'm just now able to build truly meta decks without extreme compromises. I lucked out by the grace of god to pull death, null, and x23 very early in series 3 so I could run a halfway decent destroy deck, but for a month or so after that became stale it was so hard to make interesting decks. Idk how many people would be willing to play the game for 4-5 months to have enough cards to fill out archetypes. I understand they have to make their money but man it felt really bad there for a while and I'm still like 15 cards away from being series 3 complete at 4.6k CL. I'd love to see more of those full deck kind of bundles maybe with a series 4/5 card on top for a good price but also it needs to be faster to either get keys or tokens because it takes like a month to get tokens+gold equal to 6k even with the season pass