I love how BCS shows just how complex and difficult it was for everyone to reach the point that they were at in BB, just to have Walt come in and shit all over everyone and everything
@@randymoyan4754 Sure but retconning is not exactly difficult. It's like doing your 6th grade math without having to show the work. Just use a calculator.
I desperately want to make an edit of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul with random zoom ins and the Arrested Development narrator saying generic commentary like this. I just don’t know how to edit videos.
@@tabletuser123 He's a dumbass. Mike is spelling it out to him. Saying, "Listen to me. Very Carefully. The man we're working for is very serious. Think about the precautions we take to keep everything that goes on here quiet. Think about how much money you're making. Think about what happens if something goes wrong. You understand what I am saying to you?" It's hard to pity a person so dense.
Lmao he was isolated from his family and home, and anything outside of his work for months, and it was becoming clear it would take much longer than expected. No one would behave perfectly rationally after that much time in those circumstances. And without Lalo’s untimely arrival, Werner’s escapade wouldn’t really have been that big of a deal.
This is one of Mike's half measures. He should've told Werner, in plain English, that his life was in danger. He didn't want to threaten his friend, but it would've ultimately saved Werner's life.
Not a chance. Mike could have put a gun to Werner's head and broken his legs for good measure, Werner would still crawl away in the night hoping his friend Mike would forgive him.
@@MazDconDecepticon Yes and no. Mike never wanted to work with Walt because he sensed(correctly) that Walt had a big ego and would jeopardize the entire operation of Gus but he was forced to work with Walter on Gus's orders. Mike's fault was to continue working with Walt after Gus died.
@@apathak34 It's true that Mike made a mistake when he continued working with Walt, but from his point of view he didn't have much options. Lydia already wanted to kill him, the guys in jail were about to talk and he lost all the money he made (which was the only reason he started and kept working for Gus). I'd say he underestimated Walt's willingness to go as far as he did just to keep the operation going.
The whole time I thought Kai would have messed up and end up dead by the hands of Mike or Gus and it turned out to be Werner which seriously took it's toll on Mike.
Simple misdirection. From the minute the crew arrives you just know something terrible is going to happen and Kai starts off being disrespectful and annoying but in the end becomes a friendly and likeable guy. Adds a whole lot of unease during every scene in the warehouse. Makes it even more painful to watch the final scene of the crew berating mike.
@@lordmortimer8055 I don’t think that Kai became a “friendly and likeable guy” at all; it simply turned out that he wasn’t the one who would endanger the most Gus’s project. I mean, there’s the shit he did in the strip club. And personally, I didn’t find the final scene we got with the Germans to be painful - Kai deserved that punch, it was rather amusing, and, well, Mike did deserve what Casper told him - that Werner was worth fifty of Mike.
Think that Kai and Werner kind of paralleled Jesse and Walt in a way, just mainly that you can’t just assume how people will be just based on first impressions. It’s something Mike really had forced into his brain here and why he slowly grew to respect Jesse and why he always had a distrust of Walt.
Werner's death scene was beautifully horrific. I nearly cried and that says a lot for myself. He never did anything in interest of sabotage. He only wanted to see his wife and Mike knew that. The fact the last thing his wife heard was him screaming at her that he didn't want to see her. Heart breaking.
It was a chilling wake up call to viewers, who deluded themselves that this organized crime principle of sticking to your word and only killing those who endanger you, could be honourable. Because sometimes you come across partners in crime with such a cultural and logical disconnect they have no idea they've betrayed you, and you can't see that they're technically innocent. This is the part that shows that mike isn't a good man for living on the principle of following on his word and being honest.
Mike couldn't have been any clearer without saying "we work for a ruthless druglord who could have us all erased from the face of the earth without having to step out of bed"....Quite clear what happens if something goes wrong means, if he still didn't get it or take it seriously, that was on him.
@@KalOrtPor yes but his worldview and understanding of loyalty didn't think he was a traitor. Just like how the drug dealer didn't think he was being a bad criminal by reporting his playing cards being stolen. They weren't stupid or uncaring, they just didn't realize that the lower half can read people from their face
Werner obviously was from East-Germany - a blue-eyed average professional, who lived behind the iron wall too long. But somehow you're right: for that money I would've worked my ass off daily too.
That kind of life would break nearly anyone. No sunlight, just two locations every day, nothing but work and seeing the same people with no connection with the outside. No way to know if your family or friends are alive, every day just heavy work for long shifts. It seems easier now, but that amount of stress sounds like too much
@@zekeiwa5837 i think they aren't new to stressful jobs. I think the main problem was, for the duration of the job, they weren't allowed any outside contact. No calling your family, your friends, nothing.
@@PHATB0Y20 Who cares? No one’s going to remember any of our names unless one of us is the next George Washington or the next John D Rockefeller. And in time, their names will be forgotten as well.
I'm so glad about the fact that they actually got actors on board who could speak German. So many shows take the cheap route and it just sucks hearing broken German or even complete gibberish in some cases.
Sadly that's not the case for most of the Spanish speaking protagonist in the show, Gus Fring for example was supposed to live in Chile for most of his life, and yet is Spanish is very bad, sounds very "gringo"
@@DanielGarcia-kw4ep yes holy shit, even when I was learning Spanish at a very basic level, you only need to know Spanish pronunciation (and not know a single thing about the grammar, not a single or tense or verb mood, nothing) to hear how AWFUL his spoken Spanish was. Literally painful to hear, and you would think such a serious show at such a massive scale of production would spend the tiniest bit of effort improving his Spanish.
@@bigguyCIA4u I feel you. On another note, Dirk Nowitzki gave an interview on Conan a while back. A native German speaking guy mind you. They had him "say" a sentence in "German" (Conan is scripted as hell). That sentence made absolutely no sense. Like complete gibberish. So some screw it up even when they have native speakers.
"Do you understand.... what I am _saying_ to you?" "I _do_ understand - I will come back, and my friend Michael will be very very angry, but in time he will understand and forgive."
Werner was so likable. Just from talking. Amazing casting. You really feel bad when he's murdered. And they didn't have to resort to a struggling mother or a damsel in distress to make us feel for the character like almost all shows do. This is a different league of a show.
I love the character of Werner, despite his intelligence and seeming to understand his situation, he couldn't help but push the boundaries that had been set for him and strain the friendship he had made with Mike (a mistake on Mike's part that informs his own character development beautifully). Despite being the architect of his own downfall you can't help but feel sorry for him, and the actor imbues the character with so much pathos and likeability. Great performances.
I've asked myself and others if they could handle the amount of isolation that these guys went through but actually make it to the end. To be honest, given that amount of money, I would try even if it would kill me, I could change the lives of my family and friends with that kind of cash..
@@KennyVo120 how long was the project? All of us are dealing with extreme isolation right now. Their circumstances would be a step up for me. 6 months of intense work, then home? -- soldiers do it all the time, sailors have it even worse. Submariners!
@@reallyhappenings5597 You have the internet. You're not that isolated really. They couldn't talk to anyone but people in their teams and their supervisors for over 8 months.
@@camerongreene3357 "I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am." The funny thing is that Gus was actually pretty reasonable as crime bosses go, so long as his employees didn't act like complete retards. Maybe their insistence on acting like complete retards when they were given an ounce of leniency was how Hector got to be the way he was.
People in the comments calling Werner stupid while ignoring all the context are hilarious. These same people would be trying to escape too if they were isolated from the world for over 8 months when you're project isnt even HALF WAY DONE after doing 10 hours of labour everyday. Get a grip people.
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 You're the one not being clever, if you where you would understand the context hes saying this in and would not have made this comment
Sad thing is Mike died when he saw the warning signs in advance at how uncontrolable walt was. Given how wise he was after BCS crazy he died like he did.
So far I believe the 4th season has been the best. The arch around the Germans, the “somethin’ stupid” montage, the scene where Jimmy and Chuck sing “The Winner Takes it All”. So many great things.
@@vasvas8914 that’s true. But what I guess I was underscoring was how foolish his actions were. Who did he think he was working for...nice people? Anyone that naive has no place in a criminal organization like that. It’s a story, I know. Just still amazed by a fictional character’s stupid moments. A nice guy, sure-but completely unfit psychologically.
@@vasvas8914 They are all over Silicon Valley. A lot of the H1-Bs are like that, very simple young men from very basic circumstances overseas, suddenly thrust into a cutthroat startup culture. They get eaten alive and discarded by the thousands.
it was clever how they made Werner seem trustworthy at first by contrasting him with the other guy they interviewed, who was not as professional. Then they showed Kai acting like a dipshit and Mike being suspicious of him, just to add to the fake-out that it ends up being Werner who fucks up.
Finally BCS is jumping on the ‘upload random, but great clips on to YT’ bandwagon I literally spend hours watching scene from The Sopranos. The Wire. Boardwalk Empire. Mad Men. Six Feet Under. Breaking Bad. Oz. Twin Peaks etc etc. And now I can do it with Better Call Saul too. I love going into the comment sections of sub Reddit’s and UA-cam and seeing all these like minded people, discussing fan theories and speculations, it’s so good.
This innocent bubbly German's death is the reason why I have absolutely zero remorse that Walter came in and annihilated Gus and his entire operation. Only fitting that it's a fellow man of science that comes and takes revenge, albeit unknowingly.
I was a bit sad to see him dead but you have to admit, he did it to himself and he was warned. He even brought his wife into it and very nearly got her killed too.
Werner didn't seem like a bad guy. Just not that smart. And it was his naivety and impulsiveness that led to his death. I like that Mike was visibly upset when Gus ordered him to kill Werner. You can tell that was the last thing he wanted to do.
People so disregard the other writers of the show man. Vince created the show and wrote the pilot. Beyond that, he was the creative head and only one of the writers. 99% of Breaking Bad and BCS's brilliance comes not from Vince but Vince plus the 6 great writers sitting in the writers room and breaking the story down. Vince himself has said that many, many, many times. In fact, Peter Gould is the head writer and creative head of BCS, not Vince. Vince wasn't even part of the writers room for the last two seasons.
People saying "why didnt Mike make it more clear Werners life was in danger" - The problem there is that if you say something that freaks him out too much then that enhances the chance he gets spooked and becomes even more erratic. The whole issue with him running to his wife for reassurance was about how trapped he felt which was enhanced after he almost died fixing a faulty detonator. The goal is to keep him chill and working well, threatening him may not help.
@@debraonager230 No, the "no more half measures" was in relation to when he was a cop. This guy kept beating his wife and Mike drove him out into the desert and threatened to kill him, but let him go. A few days later, the guy killed her. By the time Mike starts working for Gus, he has already retired from the police.
I always thought it's because he was very digitalized and they didn't want to compromise the build in any way, so they chose Werner because he used a pen and paper with very little technological experience. With the french dude, he was doing all his stuff on the computer so he could easily release it online or get hacked whereas Werner was using more traditional methods which were easier to monitor maintain.
Wasn't that the guy that was bragging about a tunnel he made. He basically said "I made a tunnel under the U.S./Mexico border that was easy, so this won't be hard at all". (if i'm remembering that right). And Gus basically thought, if you gave up information about a secret so easily, I can't trust you to work on my secret.
I had a completely different interpretation, I thought they didn't hire him because he seemed to think the job wouldn't actually be difficult and that made him appear to be unsuited for the work because it was actually an extremely complicated undertaking.
This is Jesse and Walter all over again. Werner screws up due to his own inhability to contain his feelings and Mike has to deal with the situation, only for everyone to bitch at him as if it was his fault. Mike didnt deserve Werner putting him in that position.
It's easy to say "meh, Werner should have toughed it out and he'd have been fine, but after a threat like this, Werner probably started fearing that they'd cap him anyway after finishing the job. Get threatened with death once, especially when you're practically their prisoner, and nothing is off the table. That might have been the cause of his mental breakdown too, he's a normal guy and his world got completely upended by this.
In this whole Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul world...I think this is the last person, outside of his family and maybe Jesse towards the end of Breaking Bad, Mike genuinely liked on a personal level. When he kills Werner, that's mostly a wrap on personal feelings for people.
Fr he was a good man but really bumb af in the end what Mike said to him was in the nicest way possible "one more fuck up nd I won't be able to stop the boss from killing u" nd he goes on to do a super fuck up... Idk I guess cuz of the way Mike acted this whole time gave werner the impression that they were bros so he had more space to mess up only problem was that he was working for gus not for Mike...
I'm not entirely sure what the point is in keeping the construction workers from knowing their exact location is anyway. I mean yeah it does prevent them from blabbing to the police of where their secret illegal bunker is, but you know who already knows where it is? Mike, Mikes men, Gale, and later Walt and Jesse and all the laundry workers. so why do they have to keep their location a secret from only the construction workers? AND on top of that, the workers have already seen gus's face, who is a well known business man. if one of these guys talked to a police sketch artist, hed be screwed anyway
Always found this story arch fairly unrealistic myself, these people were making insane amounts of money just to work in secrecy away from home for a while, and they behaved like complete babies about it. Super unprofessional for the setting they were in. Had to suspend disbelief quite a bit to even entertain the idea they were picked for the job in the first place.
Am I the only one that did not feel bad for him? Dude got involved with some serious people and he understood that, but still keeps pushing it. All book smart zero street smart
@@larrythepagan You can't keep people locked up and isolated from the world for more than 8 months whilst doing 10 hours of heavy duty labour. He made a mistake but it's understandable why he escaped.
@@Goliath1337 Yeah and how dd emotions work out for Werner. Had he waited a little more time, he could have retired and spent literally the rest of his days with his wife. Having emotions is natural. Being able to control it and think logically is better.
Werner gave Mike his word. Which he then broke. Mike warned him in no uncertain terms. He chose to ignore said warning. You play with feathers and you get your ass tickled.
People got sad during this death scene but I really didn't. He seems like a nice guy but he knew the risks coming to the job. He broke them and was reminded several times what would happen if he did it again. He didn't listen and almost got his wife killed in the process. Some people will think he just didn't know any better but how could he not after hearing Mike in this scene. To me it came off as arrogance. What did he think sneaking out of a secret underground bunker owned by a drug lord would come to?
If you think about it, everyone who ever worked for Gus and Mike that got out of line or didn't know exactly what they were doing was killed by them - except for Walt and Jesse. In the end, Mike couldn't fathom someone being bigger, bolder, with a bigger ego, or simply smarter than either him or Gus. Yet there he was, a weak, lame high school science teacher dying of cancer with bigger balls and more brains than either of them.
Werner: Everyone seems much improved. This ‘R & R’ was a good idea 😊 Werner after only 1 episode: I miss my wife 😣 I would rather die than spend another day away from my wife to finish a job I AGREED to do
I love how BCS shows just how complex and difficult it was for everyone to reach the point that they were at in BB, just to have Walt come in and shit all over everyone and everything
No truer words.
@@randymoyan4754 Sure but retconning is not exactly difficult. It's like doing your 6th grade math without having to show the work. Just use a calculator.
@@Connection-Lost don't think retconnings the best word since it implies it changes established events (like what a retcon does)
@@Connection-Lost Retcon? What are you on about? The writers planned this shit all along. Lalos name has been mentioned as far back as season 2 of bb.
@@cian2168 It wasn't me, it was Lalo. You can bet your ass that by the time bcs is done it *will* mean something, pre planned or not.
Werner: "I do understand."
Arrested Development narrator: "He didn't."
I desperately want to make an edit of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul with random zoom ins and the Arrested Development narrator saying generic commentary like this. I just don’t know how to edit videos.
I was going to say just that.
@@jonathandevers6609 It is the easiest thing. This you can do with movie maker ;) .
@@jonathandevers6609 He really underestimated Gus' resolve in keeping as few loose ends as possible
Oh shit, someone actually made me laugh with one of these kinds of comments. Hats off, I guess!
if mike would have just told him "dude, they will kill you. Seriously, they will literally execute you" - maybe he would have taken it more serious
That’s all implied. I don’t think saying it explicitly would have made it more clear
"no more half measures"
@@ganymedehedgehog371He didn’t understand though
Mike’s words got lost in translation. 😜👍🏾 lol
@@tabletuser123 He's a dumbass. Mike is spelling it out to him. Saying, "Listen to me. Very Carefully. The man we're working for is very serious. Think about the precautions we take to keep everything that goes on here quiet. Think about how much money you're making. Think about what happens if something goes wrong. You understand what I am saying to you?" It's hard to pity a person so dense.
So Walt and Jesse basically destroyed everything Ziegler worked hard for when they burned that lab.
Among many other things, BCS is a chronicle of the meticulous plans and vast web of lives that Walt shat all over and made meaningless.
No appreciation for Werner's amazing engineering feat, right? Walter and his goddamn ego!
@@CynicalBastard511 I'm not appreciating anything here.
@@suryasingh9738 Me neither.
There is still an expensive hole in the ground
Everyone feels bad for him but he knew the risks and promised it would never happen again, then did something far worse.
He should have listened "C.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y"
Lmao he was isolated from his family and home, and anything outside of his work for months, and it was becoming clear it would take much longer than expected. No one would behave perfectly rationally after that much time in those circumstances. And without Lalo’s untimely arrival, Werner’s escapade wouldn’t really have been that big of a deal.
@@nairb2173. Every one else kept their mouths shut. Fuck him, he had his chance(s)
Fucking moron, would have had enough money to never work again but nope
Emotions override logic.
Happened to Werner and it even happened to Gus.
This is one of Mike's half measures. He should've told Werner, in plain English, that his life was in danger. He didn't want to threaten his friend, but it would've ultimately saved Werner's life.
What? This was as plain a death threat as you could make. What wasn't clear? The "full" measure was to either kill or fire him right now.
Not a chance. Mike could have put a gun to Werner's head and broken his legs for good measure, Werner would still crawl away in the night hoping his friend Mike would forgive him.
Werner would've fled or planned something with the guys
Mike has no "Menschenkenntnis"
I think that Werner has to understand what he is implying. But perhaps saying it explicitly might have jogged him a bit more.
Mike takes yet another half measure. He underestimated Werner's naiveté just as he later underestimated Walter's cunning.
Mike didn't die because of Walt's cunning.
He died because of Walt's ego.
@@apathak34 which he underestimated
@@MazDconDecepticon Yes and no.
Mike never wanted to work with Walt because he sensed(correctly) that Walt had a big ego and would jeopardize the entire operation of Gus but he was forced to work with Walter on Gus's orders.
Mike's fault was to continue working with Walt after Gus died.
@@apathak34 It's true that Mike made a mistake when he continued working with Walt, but from his point of view he didn't have much options. Lydia already wanted to kill him, the guys in jail were about to talk and he lost all the money he made (which was the only reason he started and kept working for Gus). I'd say he underestimated Walt's willingness to go as far as he did just to keep the operation going.
That's not really a half measure, it's a poor judgment
The whole time I thought Kai would have messed up and end up dead by the hands of Mike or Gus and it turned out to be Werner which seriously took it's toll on Mike.
Simple misdirection. From the minute the crew arrives you just know something terrible is going to happen and Kai starts off being disrespectful and annoying but in the end becomes a friendly and likeable guy. Adds a whole lot of unease during every scene in the warehouse. Makes it even more painful to watch the final scene of the crew berating mike.
@@lordmortimer8055 I don’t think that Kai became a “friendly and likeable guy” at all; it simply turned out that he wasn’t the one who would endanger the most Gus’s project. I mean, there’s the shit he did in the strip club. And personally, I didn’t find the final scene we got with the Germans to be painful - Kai deserved that punch, it was rather amusing, and, well, Mike did deserve what Casper told him - that Werner was worth fifty of Mike.
@@lordmortimer8055 Kai badmouthed Werner while leaving the job. He was far from "likeable".
*its**
Think that Kai and Werner kind of paralleled Jesse and Walt in a way, just mainly that you can’t just assume how people will be just based on first impressions. It’s something Mike really had forced into his brain here and why he slowly grew to respect Jesse and why he always had a distrust of Walt.
I miss Werner
Such a tragedy. One of the saddest stories in all of the BB universe.
Plays striker for Chelsea FC
@@jman6169 wowwww
what a joke my friend
@@donnie550 his comments got a lot more likes than yours, I’d say it was pretty funny
@@smorg17 Respect
Werner's death scene was beautifully horrific. I nearly cried and that says a lot for myself. He never did anything in interest of sabotage. He only wanted to see his wife and Mike knew that. The fact the last thing his wife heard was him screaming at her that he didn't want to see her. Heart breaking.
He will be back on season 6
@@nicolas28500 nope he's dead.
@@screamsfromhell I know...I was kidding
@@nicolas28500 good joke. very funny.
@@Deathwish026 thank you 🤗
For a very smart guy, Werner was also a bumbling, naive schmuck, who underestimated the people he was dealing with.
He wasn't from 'that life'
Classic example of a book smart, intelligent person with no street smarts, being street dumb & ends up in a mess with no intent to have gotten there.
It was a chilling wake up call to viewers, who deluded themselves that this organized crime principle of sticking to your word and only killing those who endanger you, could be honourable. Because sometimes you come across partners in crime with such a cultural and logical disconnect they have no idea they've betrayed you, and you can't see that they're technically innocent. This is the part that shows that mike isn't a good man for living on the principle of following on his word and being honest.
Mike couldn't have been any clearer without saying "we work for a ruthless druglord who could have us all erased from the face of the earth without having to step out of bed"....Quite clear what happens if something goes wrong means, if he still didn't get it or take it seriously, that was on him.
@@KalOrtPor yes but his worldview and understanding of loyalty didn't think he was a traitor. Just like how the drug dealer didn't think he was being a bad criminal by reporting his playing cards being stolen. They weren't stupid or uncaring, they just didn't realize that the lower half can read people from their face
It's comical how many people in BB and BCS blew cake jobs. For that kind of money, I would've been punching the clock like daily like Fred Flintstone.
Werner obviously was from East-Germany - a blue-eyed average professional, who lived behind the iron wall too long.
But somehow you're right: for that money I would've worked my ass off daily too.
That kind of life would break nearly anyone. No sunlight, just two locations every day, nothing but work and seeing the same people with no connection with the outside. No way to know if your family or friends are alive, every day just heavy work for long shifts. It seems easier now, but that amount of stress sounds like too much
And that’s why no one will remember your name
@@zekeiwa5837 i think they aren't new to stressful jobs. I think the main problem was, for the duration of the job, they weren't allowed any outside contact. No calling your family, your friends, nothing.
@@PHATB0Y20 Who cares? No one’s going to remember any of our names unless one of us is the next George Washington or the next John D Rockefeller. And in time, their names will be forgotten as well.
I'm so glad about the fact that they actually got actors on board who could speak German. So many shows take the cheap route and it just sucks hearing broken German or even complete gibberish in some cases.
Sadly that's not the case for most of the Spanish speaking protagonist in the show, Gus Fring for example was supposed to live in Chile for most of his life, and yet is Spanish is very bad, sounds very "gringo"
@@DanielGarcia-kw4ep yes holy shit, even when I was learning Spanish at a very basic level, you only need to know Spanish pronunciation (and not know a single thing about the grammar, not a single or tense or verb mood, nothing) to hear how AWFUL his spoken Spanish was. Literally painful to hear, and you would think such a serious show at such a massive scale of production would spend the tiniest bit of effort improving his Spanish.
lol pretty much all the "Spanish speakers" in the show clearly don't speak it in real life.
@@bigguyCIA4u I feel you. On another note, Dirk Nowitzki gave an interview on Conan a while back. A native German speaking guy mind you. They had him "say" a sentence in "German" (Conan is scripted as hell). That sentence made absolutely no sense. Like complete gibberish. So some screw it up even when they have native speakers.
@@bigguyCIA4u Lalo is fantastic
"Do you understand.... what I am _saying_ to you?"
"I _do_ understand - I will come back, and my friend Michael will be very very angry, but in time he will understand and forgive."
it was never up to him...
We should be enjoying the final season right now. Freakin Rona
God damn Chin-Kee Pox.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda ??
@@Tinr2d2 Chin-Kee Pox = Rona
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda why call it that
Kung Flu
*W E R N E R Z E I G L E R*
Ziieeeeeglerrr
Werner Ziiiiiieeeeeglerrrr, does that ring any bell 🛎 ? Ding ding ding ding!
PACA PACA PACA PACA
@@ПетрИващенко-р3х en mi caballo
Paca paca paca paca en mi caballo
Werner was so likable. Just from talking. Amazing casting. You really feel bad when he's murdered. And they didn't have to resort to a struggling mother or a damsel in distress to make us feel for the character like almost all shows do. This is a different league of a show.
He's a curiosity in a US show but to Germans he probably comes across as the most standard everyman guy ever, after all the guy is a pro TV actor.
Werner had too big of a heart for that type of work. RIP 😢
like a child
He was smart, just not street smart.
I love the character of Werner, despite his intelligence and seeming to understand his situation, he couldn't help but push the boundaries that had been set for him and strain the friendship he had made with Mike (a mistake on Mike's part that informs his own character development beautifully). Despite being the architect of his own downfall you can't help but feel sorry for him, and the actor imbues the character with so much pathos and likeability. Great performances.
I feel bad for Werner, he just wanted to see his wife again. If he had been a little more patient he would’ve been home free :(
I've asked myself and others if they could handle the amount of isolation that these guys went through but actually make it to the end.
To be honest, given that amount of money, I would try even if it would kill me, I could change the lives of my family and friends with that kind of cash..
@@KennyVo120 how long was the project? All of us are dealing with extreme isolation right now. Their circumstances would be a step up for me. 6 months of intense work, then home? -- soldiers do it all the time, sailors have it even worse. Submariners!
@@reallyhappenings5597 it was originally supposed to be 8 months but by 8 months it wasn’t even halfway completed.
@@KennyVo120 but if the project killed you midway through, how would that benefit your family?
They wouldnt get the money.
@@reallyhappenings5597 You have the internet. You're not that isolated really. They couldn't talk to anyone but people in their teams and their supervisors for over 8 months.
It really amazes me that despite this warning Werner was so foolish
Yeah. All he had to do was have a bit more patience and he could've went home to his wife and got paid.
emotions make people do stupid things
He missed home cooked bratwurst
Werner: "I do understand. My friend Mike will be angry with me, but he will forgive me."
Mike: "...How did you get THAT out of what I just told you?"
Definitely wasn’t Mike’s anger Werner should’ve been concerned about. Gustavo does not forgive so easily
@@camerongreene3357 "I hope so, Commander, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."
The funny thing is that Gus was actually pretty reasonable as crime bosses go, so long as his employees didn't act like complete retards. Maybe their insistence on acting like complete retards when they were given an ounce of leniency was how Hector got to be the way he was.
Werner was definitely an idiot, he must surely have known the seriousness of his actions before he took them
Too much beer = idiot
Remember the guy mike punched, you must be that guy
no, he had no guile. He was a pure intellectual, brilliant at construction but innocent of the darkness of the world
Emotions override logic.
Happened to Werner (when he escaped the compound) and it even happened to Gus.
He missed his wife :'(
So many clips being released lately. I think they’re gearing up for a big announcement!
Next season for better call saul maybe? Hopefuly
Next and final season coming soon. We should be in the middle of it right now if Wuhan didn’t ruin the world for a year+. Just sayin
@@Vulcan650Vampire word! Fuck the Chinese government seriously
Werner Ziegler Spinoff
@@NDD802 United States Government sure didn’t do much better either kitten. 🤦🏻♂️
People in the comments calling Werner stupid while ignoring all the context are hilarious.
These same people would be trying to escape too if they were isolated from the world for over 8 months when you're project isnt even HALF WAY DONE after doing 10 hours of labour everyday.
Get a grip people.
Finally, someone who gets it, lol. That kind of isolation can take its toll on the human mind.
@@CallMeJ. Yeah. People think just because they've been at home during the pandemic, they can handle what Werner and his crew were going through.
You can see Mike genuinely likes Werner. The only person I could see Mije forgiving like this is Jesse.
"Do you understand what I am saying to you?"
"I do understand"
*He did not understand*
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 Doing what?
@@ourcorrectopinions6824 You're the one not being clever, if you where you would understand the context hes saying this in and would not have made this comment
Mike, "Do you understand what I am saying to you?"
Werner taking a couple moment replies, "I do understand."
Narrator: He didn't understand.
Him dropping the vest showing his sloppiness, nice detail.
I think it was just to show he was hungover
Thats really reaching to be honest
Mike usually gives very good advice (here), to Walt in Half Measures, hell even to Jesse many times during BB, but it always falls on deaf ears :)
Sad thing is Mike died when he saw the warning signs in advance at how uncontrolable walt was. Given how wise he was after BCS crazy he died like he did.
Actually Walter did take Mike’s advice. Not in the way that Mike intended as such, but Walter always learnt from the advice he was given.
Some people are immune to good advice.
0:18 this is the moment when Werner drops his vest... Bravo, Vince!
What does it mean?
Yeah I didnt get it either
It means he wants to quit
Such a deep moment
@@Andy-zk6py Okay, every Literature teacher ever. Maybe he just dropped it. Things happen.
Better Call Saul makes the end of characters from Breaking Bad even more depressing
He should have took Mike's advice and didn't think what could happen if something went wrong.
So far I believe the 4th season has been the best. The arch around the Germans, the “somethin’ stupid” montage, the scene where Jimmy and Chuck sing “The Winner Takes it All”. So many great things.
"By now they have forgotten me entirely"
Lalo: Weeeerrrneeeer Zieeegleeer
A completely inexcusable mistake on Ziegler’s part. Completely inexcusable.
Well ultimately he wasn't excused.
@@vasvas8914 that’s true. But what I guess I was underscoring was how foolish his actions were. Who did he think he was working for...nice people? Anyone that naive has no place in a criminal organization like that.
It’s a story, I know. Just still amazed by a fictional character’s stupid moments. A nice guy, sure-but completely unfit psychologically.
@@jt4369 I've met people like him. Masters of their craft but ignorant to some basic social rules. Its a well written character.
You d think Gus would have just killed all those workers when the work was done
@@vasvas8914 They are all over Silicon Valley. A lot of the H1-Bs are like that, very simple young men from very basic circumstances overseas, suddenly thrust into a cutthroat startup culture.
They get eaten alive and discarded by the thousands.
*He didn't understand
Well, he warned him.
Werner zzzzzziegler
- Lalo salamanca
Werner did in fact NOT understand what Mike was saying to him.
it was clever how they made Werner seem trustworthy at first by contrasting him with the other guy they interviewed, who was not as professional. Then they showed Kai acting like a dipshit and Mike being suspicious of him, just to add to the fake-out that it ends up being Werner who fucks up.
Yeeea you know this guy
Werner...
ZIEEEGLER
Finally BCS is jumping on the ‘upload random, but great clips on to YT’ bandwagon
I literally spend hours watching scene from The Sopranos. The Wire. Boardwalk Empire. Mad Men. Six Feet Under. Breaking Bad. Oz. Twin Peaks etc etc. And now I can do it with Better Call Saul too. I love going into the comment sections of sub Reddit’s and UA-cam and seeing all these like minded people, discussing fan theories and speculations, it’s so good.
This innocent bubbly German's death is the reason why I have absolutely zero remorse that Walter came in and annihilated Gus and his entire operation. Only fitting that it's a fellow man of science that comes and takes revenge, albeit unknowingly.
"I don't believe fear to be an effective motivator" - Mike
The parallel that this has to Mike's son being killed is super sad.
I was a bit sad to see him dead but you have to admit, he did it to himself and he was warned. He even brought his wife into it and very nearly got her killed too.
Werner didn't seem like a bad guy. Just not that smart. And it was his naivety and impulsiveness that led to his death. I like that Mike was visibly upset when Gus ordered him to kill Werner. You can tell that was the last thing he wanted to do.
Mike should really not feel bad about what he had to do to Vern. The guy was reckless and just didn’t take the project seriously enough
now we know why Gus didn't think fear would effectively motivate Walt. He tried that before, and it didn't go his way.
Only Vince Gilligan can make a German engineer an interesting, deep and loved character
A german engineer is intrinsically interesting.
People so disregard the other writers of the show man.
Vince created the show and wrote the pilot. Beyond that, he was the creative head and only one of the writers.
99% of Breaking Bad and BCS's brilliance comes not from Vince but Vince plus the 6 great writers sitting in the writers room and breaking the story down.
Vince himself has said that many, many, many times.
In fact, Peter Gould is the head writer and creative head of BCS, not Vince.
Vince wasn't even part of the writers room for the last two seasons.
Vince has been very hands off when it comes to BCS.
But hes back in the writers room for S6.
What do you have against German engineers XD
Caveman-tier comment
I can’t wait for the new series. After the year or so of crap, we need something to look forward to and the next series is what I’m waiting for.
I totally forgot that part. That scene shows how incredibly stupid was Werner to do what he did.
I do understand
Narrator: *He did not, indeed understand*
If I were in that dangerous but lucrative position I'd be very focused, quiet, and attentive to all feedback.
@Bri Ba No if you are stoic. The cold heart makes you impervious from emotions!
@@spacelover9635 Just a fancy way of being in denial and therefore wrong.
@Bri Ba Maybe for you but for us introverts secrecy and isolation sounds like just another day.
The longer I wait for season 6, the more assured I am it's going to be perfect. I'll wait a decade for it, I just want it to be the best it could be
It really was.
@@dsch0 it was honestly perfect
@@cometface not even close
Werner's death remindes me a Mike's death...☹️
No half measures
the construction of the lab was the best part of the show in my opinion
People saying "why didnt Mike make it more clear Werners life was in danger" - The problem there is that if you say something that freaks him out too much then that enhances the chance he gets spooked and becomes even more erratic. The whole issue with him running to his wife for reassurance was about how trapped he felt which was enhanced after he almost died fixing a faulty detonator. The goal is to keep him chill and working well, threatening him may not help.
Herr Michel was so nice to him.
It's weird that the German guy is willing to easily accept execution.
Mike took a half measure after promising "no more half measures".
@@debraonager230 No, the "no more half measures" was in relation to when he was a cop. This guy kept beating his wife and Mike drove him out into the desert and threatened to kill him, but let him go. A few days later, the guy killed her. By the time Mike starts working for Gus, he has already retired from the police.
This isn’t really a half measure. He was supposed to kill Werner for this? By that logic he would be killing everyone for every mistake.
"WeRnEr ZeEeiIglLeRrR"
*said Lalo out loud with his feet kicked back*
Guys anyone know when season 6 is airing ?
Most likely in 2022, about 1 year from now
They start filming in April so hopefully at the end of the year or if not that early next year
Yup. It started last night.
Werner must think Gus is like CIA or something, not a drug lord
That was the moment Werner became Combo
The most sad part about zeigler story is that he didn't get to meet his wife.
Werner actor is fantastic.
I feel like this is what would happen if someone talked while Bruce Wayne tried to get the Batcave built
Werner should have been teaching engineering to enthusiastic students. You have to wonder about what lead him into the underworld.
He didn’t know what the tunnel would be used for.
...Aaaand, something like that definitely happened again
Irrelevant, I guess, but earlier Mike and Gus almost hired a Frenchman then fired them first second. Why?
Because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut. You mean the dude with the laptop and fancy laser measure, right? He was just bragging so not trustworthy
I always thought it's because he was very digitalized and they didn't want to compromise the build in any way, so they chose Werner because he used a pen and paper with very little technological experience.
With the french dude, he was doing all his stuff on the computer so he could easily release it online or get hacked whereas Werner was using more traditional methods which were easier to monitor maintain.
@@legitkoray no, they didn't hire him because he talked about the other jobs he had. He wasn't going to keep quiet
Wasn't that the guy that was bragging about a tunnel he made. He basically said "I made a tunnel under the U.S./Mexico border that was easy, so this won't be hard at all". (if i'm remembering that right). And Gus basically thought, if you gave up information about a secret so easily, I can't trust you to work on my secret.
I had a completely different interpretation, I thought they didn't hire him because he seemed to think the job wouldn't actually be difficult and that made him appear to be unsuited for the work because it was actually an extremely complicated undertaking.
Guy really couldn’t wait until the job got done?
"Werner" is Heisenberg's (the scientist, not Walter) first name. Werner is killed by Mike, who is later killed by Heisenberg. Whoa.
Dude!!!!
This is Jesse and Walter all over again. Werner screws up due to his own inhability to contain his feelings and Mike has to deal with the situation, only for everyone to bitch at him as if it was his fault. Mike didnt deserve Werner putting him in that position.
Hello BCS and BB Fans!
heyo
It's easy to say "meh, Werner should have toughed it out and he'd have been fine, but after a threat like this, Werner probably started fearing that they'd cap him anyway after finishing the job. Get threatened with death once, especially when you're practically their prisoner, and nothing is off the table.
That might have been the cause of his mental breakdown too, he's a normal guy and his world got completely upended by this.
Weeeerneeeer Zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeigler
Werner looks a lot like walt did before he shaved his head. Maybe if werner was as crazy as walt, he would have survived
I love the way he says “too much beer”
Same, I always randomly quote that at work, I emphasize the “beer” with a heavy European accent lol.
In this whole Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul world...I think this is the last person, outside of his family and maybe Jesse towards the end of Breaking Bad, Mike genuinely liked on a personal level. When he kills Werner, that's mostly a wrap on personal feelings for people.
Zieeeeegler
Fr he was a good man but really bumb af in the end what Mike said to him was in the nicest way possible "one more fuck up nd I won't be able to stop the boss from killing u" nd he goes on to do a super fuck up... Idk I guess cuz of the way Mike acted this whole time gave werner the impression that they were bros so he had more space to mess up only problem was that he was working for gus not for Mike...
I'm not entirely sure what the point is in keeping the construction workers from knowing their exact location is anyway. I mean yeah it does prevent them from blabbing to the police of where their secret illegal bunker is, but you know who already knows where it is? Mike, Mikes men, Gale, and later Walt and Jesse and all the laundry workers. so why do they have to keep their location a secret from only the construction workers?
AND on top of that, the workers have already seen gus's face, who is a well known business man. if one of these guys talked to a police sketch artist, hed be screwed anyway
Always found this story arch fairly unrealistic myself, these people were making insane amounts of money just to work in secrecy away from home for a while, and they behaved like complete babies about it. Super unprofessional for the setting they were in. Had to suspend disbelief quite a bit to even entertain the idea they were picked for the job in the first place.
agreed
They completely set up Kai as the troublemaker, but then the big head fake comes with Werner being the weak link.
He was a very sweet guy... Had Gale qualities
Both in the wrong business.
Werner did in fact, not understand
Mike is so good its scary
Am I the only one that did not feel bad for him? Dude got involved with some serious people and he understood that, but still keeps pushing it. All book smart zero street smart
Who else misses Werner?
I don't. He screwed up, despite being warned not to.
@@larrythepagan You can't keep people locked up and isolated from the world for more than 8 months whilst doing 10 hours of heavy duty labour.
He made a mistake but it's understandable why he escaped.
@@larrythepagan You should try emotions, it's a good escape from your logical-only world of living.
His wife.
@@Goliath1337 Yeah and how dd emotions work out for Werner. Had he waited a little more time, he could have retired and spent literally the rest of his days with his wife. Having emotions is natural. Being able to control it and think logically is better.
Werner gave Mike his word. Which he then broke. Mike warned him in no uncertain terms. He chose to ignore said warning. You play with feathers and you get your ass tickled.
People got sad during this death scene but I really didn't. He seems like a nice guy but he knew the risks coming to the job. He broke them and was reminded several times what would happen if he did it again. He didn't listen and almost got his wife killed in the process. Some people will think he just didn't know any better but how could he not after hearing Mike in this scene. To me it came off as arrogance. What did he think sneaking out of a secret underground bunker owned by a drug lord would come to?
A real German never says he had too much beer because it's not possible for a German to have too much beer
as a German, couldnt agree more
안타까운 발암캐...
If you think about it, everyone who ever worked for Gus and Mike that got out of line or didn't know exactly what they were doing was killed by them - except for Walt and Jesse. In the end, Mike couldn't fathom someone being bigger, bolder, with a bigger ego, or simply smarter than either him or Gus. Yet there he was, a weak, lame high school science teacher dying of cancer with bigger balls and more brains than either of them.
werner deserved better
Mike did his best to warn and save him
@@SenseiDenax oh yeah, he completely walked into it but he was still a good guy
Gus' hiring practices were fairly questionable outside of Mike.
I am the first borking pad and I want the heart of the beach
me too dude, me too
Werner: Everyone seems much improved. This ‘R & R’ was a good idea 😊
Werner after only 1 episode: I miss my wife 😣 I would rather die than spend another day away from my wife to finish a job I AGREED to do
"The German National in Albuquerque, pouring..."
Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't think Werner was supposed to know he's in Albuquerque
I’m pretty sure he was. It was only when they were first hiring engineers and choosing who to pick that they weren’t giving them any details at all.
I love this program, better than breaking bad for me.