What Makes an Artist? - Can Ai Create Art?
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2024
- In this video I discuss what is the essence of being an artist. What does it take? I Also talk about Ai generated images and how it relates to this subject.
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Accordingly, it is passion and taste that make an artist. ☝🏿
Both of which people without any knowledge about art have...
Such a time to be alive! Now language models trained on stolen data at the snap of the fingers can generate art, music, poetry while we can finally focus on making money to pay for all these amazing subscriptions
Interesting that you used the word "stole". I can promise that the data was given by you when you agreed to the terms of service. If you don't pay for a tool or service, you are the product.
Taking advantage of people is still considered stealing
@@NormLanier
spot on
Mark - I loved the music! and the cover for the music as well!
Love the music!
I have always tried to use my own photos for reference. I do sometimes get inspiration and ideas from other artist's work.
Just my opinion, but all of the AI images you have shown look artificial to me. But I believe there are no limits to creativity, and I have respect for any artist that can sell his or her work.
I love the advice and excellent music!! You are so talented…
I truly respect your openness to AI as a tool. I think many artists instantly scream “GARBAGE “ when AI is brought up. It’s a tool, it’s not all good or all evil. Thanks
You are a tool. "ai" is a labor recycling black box. Fundamentally derivative and second-hand.
If your starting position on AI, relative at least to it's artistic merits is between the pols of all good or all evil, that simplifies things a lot.
The more analogue the better imo!
Fabulous sound...
Nice song honestly. I think We will reach a split in thinking eventually. Does a beautiful piece of art matter because it’s beautiful, in isolation, as a near platinic ideal? or because it is a representation of an individuals process of manifesting beauty into the world. Does the process matter?
The sound of a babbling brook is created without any intentionality, just the manifestation of physical laws. Is it less beautiful because it was not created with intent? More? I don’t know yet.
Well said!
Does the beautiful exist in and of itself? The sound of a stream seems beautiful to you, but what if you know it is poisoned? When there is a war in your country and you hear the sounds of air defense in the middle of the night, you are afraid. When there is a holiday in your city and you hear fireworks outside your window, you rejoice, but the sound remains the same..
someone help me with this please! I need to ship my art piece to clines, but everyone say wait at least 6 months before varnishing a painting. should I just skip varnishing since I need to ship it as soon as possible?
Everything, including art, is constantly evolving. Bringing AI into the mix just brings another change to art and its interpretation. Whether it’s good or bad will out itself as time goes on. We should never close our minds to any process which helps the artist to create. Thanks, Mark.
Go Mark - Go ! Wow, You did good with this. Your music is impressive. AI is a tool, you are the artist.
Great song. And interesting about the AI image prompts not eliciting passion from the painters of it. Definitely something to ponder.
I was sure that I received an email saying you were going to stop selling paint. You decide to keep making it?
this reminds me of the 'digital painting' vs manually painting with physical mediums debate. even in digital you still choose brushes, brush sizes, colors, 'paint mix', etc. the artist chooses. the viewer likes or dislikes. the perception of art is subjective.
create what YOU like using whatever tools you want.
cool song
Agree with all that you expressed ☺🎶🎵🎶🎶🎶
Where do I go to see these AI images?
I don't know if anyone has suggested this but for fun I asked AI to write a song lyric as my husband and I write songs and tunes. A copyright notice came up saying that the song AI wrote is copyright to the company who owns the AI. I deleted it.
IF it works the same for art this would be a very important consideration for anyone who makes money from their art or to a collector that would like their artwork to be much more rare than potentially mass produced AI art. After all machinery has never driven talented craftspeople off completely and although computer typefaces are very effective they will never be as beautiful as manuscripts created by a scribe and so on.... 😀
Interesting.
I totally agree with you! I do, too started using AI as my source but I always give it my own interpretation according to my taste or my vision. And most of AI images are just not good. There's a few that are great and hard to tell if it's AI or a painting but then it's still artificial. Touch it and it doesn't have any texture, unless it's printed with a 3D printer but then why would you?
One very important element that people do not address when discussing the use of AI is the vast amount of power that is used by the AI computer systems to create the most basic, most likely banal, image. The amount of hydro to run the computers and the huge amounts of water needed to operate the heatsinks to keep everything cool is outrageous. Please research for yourselves this aspect of AI. At this moment in time it is not sustainable. Learn to draw, learn to paint, learn to play an instrument. This is human creativity.
so basically ai can have a place helping in art or music as long as the user is passionate to add on their own feelings because the ai alone has no muse. I agree to an extent but there is a difference between using ai to build things for you (we're talking large chunks of a music or art composition) and making something from scratch.
I think AI is a fantastic tool. I have generated so much just for entertainment purposes. Some have been bad, others have wowed me to the point I'd want them framed! It will never replace traditional art. Humans will always have a desire to create with their hands.
The obvious danger for the artist is that he might come to rely entirely on AI to create his images never having to bother about learning to draw and paint with the use of his own hands and imagination.
But if part of art is just manual and mechanical ocal.and mostly.mindless, I don't see aproblemwirj using AI for that part is there?
That's a great tune... sounds like a night out in the city on a rainy night.
The music is excellent!
i dont know why but i always feel so guilty when using a.i to even help me do anything. i feel like im cheating and not being very creative. should i or should not?
Do what you want. YOU.
(I'd suggest not using it though, your guilt is here for a reason, and I felt like I betrayed my own creativity when I used it once)
But you’re okay using a photo someone else took?
Everything you know comes from someone else, your observations of the world. If you don't teach a child anything, nothing will come of it. We are children of our time and environment.
@@NormLanierNo, don’t like doing that either.
Well If youre doing the actual drawing I dont see how using ai for inspiration is less creative than taking muse from other photos./// I'm not saying ai is something you should use or is even comparable to stock photography online artwise (cause real people take those) but rather that you shouldn't automatically feel guilty for using some ai in the creative process ///But then again I don't know you! Only you can decide how much you want to try brainstorming alone.
It’s a complex subject and not simple to untangle. The philosopher Vilem Flusser wrote extensively on the subject of photography and creativity; he saw the camera as a programmed machine that controlled the photographer’s creative intention by reducing all human decisions and actions to a permutation within a predetermined program. A.I. could be seen in the same way, in that a program generates imagery. I would say that A.I. can be art as it is created by a program designed by human intention - it’s up to us to decide if it is art; not all paintings are art and some A.I. Imagery can be art. Programs are simply tools for the production of something - from this, we decide if it’s art or not.
I feel art is the one thing that AI will never be able to do. Taking AI out of it I think there is even a big difference between people that paint and draw, make and compose and Artists. There is a fuzzy line where something becomes Art. What that fuzzy line means or how you define it , I am not sure. This is what I am trying to explore.
Passion, but not passion in general. Instead, it is passion in the moment for the instant subject. It is original and authentic passion.
I’ve heard that if you do not love what it is that you’re painting then it will not end well. It still might be a good painting. But it will never be as good as it could’ve been had you loved it.
A couple of years ago I did a portrait of my daughter. While painting her portrait I bursted out in tears three times.
Mark, you are the individual who’s had the most influence on my approach to painting. I want to thank you for that.
I dont agree. The passion for the actual subject is important but way more important thing is to have passion IN GENERAL. You need to think about painting all the time and you need to paint everyday, no matter if you like what youre painting currently or not. Great ideas come verry rarely and you need to chase them everyday. As Picasso once said: "inspiration finds me at work". Also Gerhard Richter said that hes not particularly impressed by most of his own ideas but he needs to paint and he tries to extract as much quality as possible during the process.
If you wanna be a real artist, you need to create every single day, every single hour and you need to think about it all the time. Thats why great artists are so rare.
I think the tech folks trying to "improve" AI are making the programs worse at art. In the infancy of AI artwork [still somewhat, but they've been intentionally working on the systems to remove these expressions], it 'struggled' with two things consistently - hands and objects partially behind non-opaque substances/surfaces. The result of those were extremely strange hands and random color noise respectively, but if you look at images with those problems I think they touch at something very artistic. It relates an experience of hands rather than an accurate reproduction in a borderline surrealist/abstract impressionist manner. The random color noise ended up being these surprisingly interesting spots of non-objective art in the middle of an otherwise realist work, similar to some of the beloved action painting-inspired realist painters of the past couple decades [my partner called them "intuitive realists" in their MFA thesis owing to how they used realism as a vehicle for an expression of process in a similar vein to the action painters, some examples being Alex Kanevsky, Victor Wang, Jenny Saville, and Ann Gale]. And the creators of these engines saw those qualities and were like "no, not photo-realistic enough, edit that out", which is so boring and short-sighted.
That shack is a beautiful image, but is it a good image (and do we care). Something about the light bothers, me, but I am not clever enough on that stuff. Perspective is clearly way off in certain details, so are architectural details and furniture details. One of the reasons to paint in plein air is to have true references. Cameras screw that up, and now we have fakes. Is this a fake of a photo, or is it a fake of an eyeball view. Some of the errors would be relatively easy to correct for.
Presumably a lot of people want us to install this kind of software, connect to it, for whatever else it is supposed to do while in our lives.
Ive enjoyed AI to an extent. I created a lot of images that Ive always wanted to see, mostly images using certain themes, like landscape images with a fallout or skyrim theme.
Your right about a lot of images being messed up, it takes a while to find a good one.
For people who love to paint but lack a certain imagination, Ive found it very helpful.
There is a older man who goes to my church I want to paint for. He likes horses and cowboy paintings so I was going to paint a cowboy riding a bucking horse. The other morning he told me he was sitting outside and listening to his horses eat. He also loves his weener dogs. Plugged that info into the AI and now im painting him a cowboy sitting in an old chair with his weener dog beside him watching the horses eat in front of an old barn. I get to spend more time painting and less time trying to come up with an image. :)
i'd prefer to just not make anything at all than to incorporate generative Ai into any stage of the process.
Seems to me all the material we need is found in nature.
Why such an aversion? The idea that you would rather give up painting all together than use a specific tool makes me think that you don’t really have the passion to paint in the really important way.
@@sketchartist1964it’s not about need- it’s about curiosity and pushing boundaries and limitations
@@Juststudiothings I suppose that depends on the artist and on the kind of art he creates. Personally I prefer to work from scratch.
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If an AI machine that can oil paint according to the guidance you give the AI art the AI has created would you still call yourself an artist?
It's like calling the client that orders some job from the artist, the artist, and somehow forgetting most of the creative job was done by the AI. Art director would be the "I wanna feel good about myself asking AI to do the art for me" title.
It's like one of those pages that showcase artists work saying they are the artist because they chose the best art that some other artist created. It's an oxymoron.
For me, I have mixed feelings for AI generated works of art. I will be more impressed if one person thought of a beautiful scene to paint and painted it successfully versus someone who copies an AI created image. But since most of us look at reference photos for (at least) inspiration then why not use an AI created scene? As far as music goes, it seems that you are, in a way, the composer of the music without actually know how to write music onto a sheet of paper. That will open the door to people who can write melodies in their heads but never learned how to write music.
Mark, what AI service(s) do you recommend for generating images as source ideas?
Renaissance Humanism was an intellectual movement typified by a revived interest in the classical world and studies which focussed not on religion but on what it is to be human. So we have been here before. The machine is powerful and mysterious, as was Renaissance religion, but when we ask "what does it mean to be human?" we begin a golden age.
The Renaissances were about the classics, humanity, _and_ religion.
According to that logic, a person using AI to "create" art is more like an art collector, or a client, or a patron, but not an artist. It is someone who tells "someone" else to paint this or that in this or that manner, and to change a given work in this or that manner - without doing the actual work themselves, but delegating it. Perhaps we could call that person an AI art director.
We keep on evolving. Thank you for this video , the tune makes us happy. All the best.
I see AI as leveling the field for resources available to all artists. Any poor artist now has a Hollywood budget to set-up scenes to study and adjust. All in an app on the phone. Then painting from this still life image .
In the way creation with AI is presented here, to answer the question of what is the essence of being an artist, maybe it is a matter of being able to appreciate IA just for what it is ? a tool to help reproducing an idea of something that already exists ?
Also here you don't create art from scratch. and you don't actually make it with your own hands, words, whatever.
Here, the tool you are using is involved in the conceptualization and the finish product.
The tool is guiding you during the all process.
So it has nothing to compare with a creation made entirely by a human. Yes it is a creation, yes you are a creator. but what type of creator? what level of creation?
In an other situation, a human could make the entire conceptualization himself without AI, and having a tool to make the finish product, with a 3D printer. This time the conceptualization was made entirely by a human mind, but still, it can not be put at the same level as something who would have been made entirely with the own hands of a creator. It is just not the same. The essence of art is different with AI.
The examples showed in this video are just what they truly are : they are the expression of an idea that someone has of what already exists. the idea you have of a city at dusk while it rains. the idea you have of jazz music. it is fine if a tool can help you reproduce what you have already seen or heard. But we all know it is not the same as a creation from a musician who creates music only by himself. We can appreciate things for what they are. With the knowledge of what makes great art.
And if you can not aknowledge the difference, maybe it is because you never experienced or you don't remember the experience of the magic and beauty of pure human creation. For example pure improvisation can not be compared with AI random choices.
A musician who creates music on the spur with his own inspiration coming from his guts, pouring all what he's got in an instant, with his own unique expression, this has a magical feeling. and that may touches you just because it is coming from a human. so human and unique. Maybe one day, someone, somewhere, created jazz music. it can be emulated with AI, but is not the same level and essence of art. We can aknowledge that without having to debate whether one is better than the other.
Last but not least, a differentiation can be made according to the amount of effort and human decision are put into the creation. A parallel could be made with a puzzle of 4 pieces VS 1000 pieces. If you make a creation by clicking 4 times on 4 different premade material on your screen, it is only what it is.
By the way, my apologies for the syntax errors, English is not my mother tongue. Maybe I should have used google translate or even AI to produce a better comprehensive text. Anyway this came from my own mind (I guess) and hopefully you get the essence of what I was trying to say.
Thank you.
I agree
Well, when it comes down to it, AI is just a tool. It can't create things on its own, it just follows instructions from the human brain and executes them. Sure, AI might lower the technical barriers to creation, but it can never replace the mindset of an artist.
It's a tool, just like a camera is a tool.
You are so incredible, Mark! I'm in awe that I had nearly the same thought! I feel blessed! The Circle of Fifths and the Color Wheel!!!! I actually made the Circle of Fifths on a paper plate, larger than the Color Wheel! So, the question is......what key is the color blue in? Lol.......... (I see myself painting an altogether lovely song someday!) 💖.
I am convinced this is how AI compiles a song.....using the COF like an artist uses the Color Wheel (maybe AI uses the Color Wheel, too....that Turquoise House, filled with ambient light, standing alone on the prairie, embraced by a soft and warm, cloud- laced sky, illuminated by the same light.....seems to use contrast that absolutely "works"..... hmmm ?)
The fact that AI does is so damn quickly is frightening!!!!!!😮
Thank you for sharing your genius with us! I am a huge fan and hope to be an artist someday..... Your Draw Mix Paint series provides the most compelling content and is far and away the best source of how to take raw materials and transform them into a work of art!
You'll have to see the drunk, Irish College Students, trying to paint a Bob Ross painting, while following his narrative...... 😂
The music peace is good👌
Do use ia do find references do me its ok. The problem os ti see a a lot ''prompt artista " out there
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Like the music....😊
I don't think of it as art, but it may be indistinguishable from art or from reality. Many believe that reality is created by God and God could be seen as the ultimate artist. Any human work, including software (which is made by humans), can be judged as good or bad art based on the intentions of the artist or perhaps its commissioner who specified what he wanted created. This "commissioner" work might be analogous to telling the AI software what to create. Keep in mind the software is using human-created art and photos, as well as reality, as its source, so in a way it is just regurgitating pre-existing media or art and reconfiguring it based on sets of rules that humans created, which often are in compliance with reality or stylized art movements that betray reality.
There are great images made by midjourney we need to stop avoiding that fact as well
Getting AI to give you what you want is not easy, just as you point out. Putting in a prompt and getting an image that looks okay, sure, that's not so bad, but to really control the outcome takes time, and to REALLY do it, you need to use Stable Diffusion and things like control net on your local machine (or cloud) and know what you're doing. It's a lot of work. However, it's not going to remain this difficult. For the record, I use it for inspiration, and it works well for that.
I also wanted to share what I put as an answer elsewhere to a similar question (not exactly, but related in that can we call AI created images art?) But before you read on, I'll say I agree with you that AI doesn't care about what it's doing. One school of thought on "what is art" has to do with our filters as an individual, our "taste" as you put it. We choose the path of our creativity through inspiration and craft and decide in the end if we've made art or not.
That response:
"Here’s a scenario. You are a creative person. Maybe you’re not the best at whatever you choose to do, or maybe you’re a badass. This scenario doesn’t care which one you are, just that you want to create. Now, let’s say the year is 1984, and you are very busy. Let’s say it’s because you’re traveling a lot to sell some of your paintings you’ve done over the last 10 years.
Now, we’ve established that you are a creative person, that you are a painter, and that this is 1984. Now, let’s say you haven’t had time to do creative things lately because you’ve been on the road for the last year. You want to continue your output however, so you hire someone else to learn your style and paint your paintings (you can train AI on your style). You’ve made some sketches (these can be fed into AI with the prompt) and handed them over with instructions (a prompt) on how you want this to turn out, and you pay this person some fee per month (subscriptions) to do these as you come up with ideas.
Flash forward another year and this person has output 35 paintings. you pick 20 of them and sign your name on them, then take them to the galleries and the festivals and have a great time selling them as your art. It looks like your art. Other people think it’s your art.
Is it your art?"
So, you can probably see from this all the tangles AI is going to bring to the creative sphere, whether it's painting, music, writing, whatever... it will get good enough eventually that you'll be able to ask for something, and it will output it as well as most "good at it" people would be able to do, and even many of those people will likely offload work to AI (i. e. not just muggles using it). When that happens, will we call it art just because an "artist" typed the prompt? Food for thought.
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AI can only give you good images for pretty simple descriptions. It is very bad at creating more complicated and creative ideas
Yes, AI is a tool. But what about the the pieces of images that are used to create AI? Shouldn't the original artists be compensated for the work used in the creation of a AI image? Is it stealing, infringement, or a copyright issue? The internet is not the endless bounty of "free images to copy" that people have adapted over the years, there are copyright laws.
Has AI been trained to not use copyrighted images, NO. Can it be trained? The general consensus among programmers is yes. The main obstacle is money. Make more on subscriptions and spend less on programming that techniquely isn't illegal. Ethics, pure ethics, eroding more everyday.
If the apocalypse ended and Joel made it out alive
I agree that A I is just a tool, those that prefer to sketch in paper, what is important is the person that is behind, precisely, are we who made,final results and is that what matters.
Where ones influence for inspiration to create comes from, matters not, its all the same, influence. Creating from scratch will always rule though. So much re hash and watered down, spin off from originality out there these days, its sad. It will most likely take AI to break the NEW ground these days.
If AI is a tool, then to me is something I will have to do less myself, an easier way to achieve a result..
l think Ai is simply scary. Because now it is not that powerful, but what about in 20 more years? You can all say it's a tool for the artist, to me it is something that steal the human opportunity to generate ideas. I appreciated how you expressed the topic, but to me Ai should be strictly controlled and not left for all. Aren't you feeling bad when something you created just did not come from your human and other humans inspiration but from a computer? 😢
yes it can.
From prompts and based on user provided colors/shapes
Using AI misses the point of art completely. AI has no experiences. It doesn’t look or see. It compiles images from other artists. It’s just a poor substitute for lack of imagination. It’s nothing special at all. It’s like a band name generator for visuals.
You mean like a photo you downloaded from Unsplash?
It is the ultimate manifestation of "make it look like the other thing" tаsteless bооr.
As far as painting goes, people buy paintings that they enjoy looking at, and AI can generate images that are pleasing to the eye. He proves that in this video and I agree.
Now whether its ethical that AI uses other artists images to learn from, thats another topic.
Good thing we as the artist can take elements from multiple AI generated images, and use our artistic integrity to make our own creations.
AI is a tool, not a replacement.
I like that music at the end of the video.
AI can’t come up with ideas in images about life, people and death.
Unfortunately you are only basing this on the Ai of today ... not Ai of tomorrow ... think how fast Ai is improving ... faster and faster every day
I believe, I could be wrong, that Ai will never have taste of it's own. They train Ai on what we say we like. If in the future Ai creates something IT likes and we don't, we will say the Ai has failed. When we look at a sunset it moves us, Ai feels nothing itself.
But AI is not consciousness. It uses the pool of the internet to create probability driven results for a specific command - from a conscious human. It is, and always will be, a tool. There will be greater sophistication to this tool That's all.
idk. the progress seems to be slowing down quite rapidly due to the lack of training data
@@DrawMixPaintit’s an interesting idea that we would be unable or unwilling to recognize a reply successful and independent AI if it doesn’t conform directly to our conception of what “counts” as intelligence.
@@ramshackle12Deep.
Can't believe you even promoting Ai in this way .. human race is doomed
Ai equals a photo. Artists are not perfect.
Ai is like having an infinite art gallery of inspiration in your pocket. As an artist, I think it's obviously amazing for art and I can't understand the overwhelming hate artists have for it. I suppose it's because the overwhelming majority of artists don't understand what art is about. I appreciate your nuanced views on this, rather than just echoing the Ai = bad talking points. Ironically, most of those parrots are a lot like Ai in that they have no point of view of their own.
It may have something to do with money; patrons or companies getting art for free.
@@sheilacollins9384 such silly things to be concerned with. let's focus on the art.
NO !
No, art is proof of God, everything else is craft.