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Are You Getting Into the Wargaming Hobby Too Fast?
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- Are you just getting into the tabletop wargaming hobby, or getting back into it? Are you getting into it too quickly? Are you overwhelmed with all the models and tools and paints? Uncle Atom can help.
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That's so much wisdom.
After empting my hobby room and mini mountain I'm committed to not buying new models till old ones are painted. This will be late 2039.
Drake Smith hahahaha good luck
Drake Smith i like to speed assemble and speed paint what i do have before payday comes before i inventively go out and buy some more
@@vincemincevince thanks buddy! Yes speed painting is a skill I need to work on. I'm overly critical, so I take an age.
@@danleo9580 I'll help you out ;) Mail excess models to ---- just kidding, but good luck with the mountain!
@@danleo9580 buy an airbrush. since I have mine, priming and base coating lots of minis in one hour is an easy feat.
You are to late uncle, everything lost, they already occupy my home.
haha the image. You funny git :D
Order exterminatus
@@rywaproductions2369 Negative, Strategic value Absolute.
Am in three armies in now... but going to say i have so much paitning I stop doing everything because most important part get storage units for them and then build them lol
Brother you should do voice acting or audio books, your voice is 👌🏻 for that
Read the entire AoS core book for us!
Binging with Babish for Minis
Its so soothing
Hans Cascante yup
watch his older videos to hear his real voice. there is a lot of post-production going on.
Him: "Don't buy a whole Tau Army"
Me: (as I'm looking at the $500 worth of Tau I just bought) um are ya sure?
What you did wrong is buy tua your clearly a heretic that needs cleansing
Fuck me too....
$500? Those are rookie numbers! You got to pump those numbers up. I am halfway through my $2,500 Space Marine Army lol
@@gundam1 I just sold 4k worth on NIB space marines haha
@@sorrybusywinning I haven't counted the points but basically take EVERY primaris army unit/vehicle and multiply it by two and that is how many marines I have. i.e two repulsor executioners, 2 warsuits, 2 primaris dreadnoughts, 2 storm ravens, etc etc lol
It is actually a tradition at my D&D table, that i make a gift out of the character miniatures my players get all the time. And i also go through great lengths to make sure their mini is as close to their character as possible.
I do the same. Until one guy, who no longer plays with us complained about my edge highlights on his "Flame Sword" I was 3 months into painting and very newb with fire effects... yeah now I surprise people instead of them expecting it :)
I've been thinking about getting minis before character creation and giving the players to pick a mini and build characters around that. That way it'll be easier to have them match.
@@lennonpierce1607 I'm very grateful for the players i play with. I never had "those players" if you know what i mean. Just a bunch of cool lads and lasses to play with and goof off a little.
@aeon Voom it was a coworker that I used to play video games with after work when I was 21. When my wife and I moved back home after grad school, he was up to play some DnD or dungeon crawl/rpg stuff with us. He used to be chill, than got an ego and entitled as we borrowed a book of his for some quest setup... And he stopped bringing snacks... HAHA. It is my Wife, Nephew and Sister in law, and myself usually as overlord/master. That setup works, is consistent and everyone has fun... I even am getting those three into painting after making their characters look GOOD...MUWAHAHAHAHA *Excellent Smithers* Rubs hands together*
Best DM ever
Longtime hobbyist, first time..... **looks at 2000 pts of unpainted orruks**
Oh god what have I done....
Just 2000 points? Light weight.
I feel you. I have nearly 50,000 points of orks from almost 30 years, only about a quarter are painted. That doesn't count my other armies or other games too.
@@Trueflights The Grey Tide, I know it well
@@wpacopaco8505 The thing is, I but the stuff to play the games. I could care less about the painting. I honestly never would for most things just because I hate painting
@@Trueflights yep. I only have a few models painted. The rest I couldn't realy care less.
Wet palette is the way to go. Uncle Atom speaks the truth. and excellent video. We have a friend in our play group who bought 1000 points of Imperial Guard at once. And now we're stuck playing against a tide of balck primed soldiers because he can't get into the painting.
One of my favourite parts of the hobby was helping friends paint their armies. Now I have no friends, and I paint stranger's armies for money.
Yeah started out years ago and only started using a wet palette earlier this year after my dad showed me how easy and cheap it was to make. Made an incredible difference especially for those custom colors you mix for a project. It is incredibly cheap to make as well. Only three items and likely any average person has two if not all three of them.
In my (limited) experience, wet palettes' aren't great for metallic paints.
@@ivanharlokin What's the issue your facing? I've used Citadel, Vallejo, and Golden Fluid metallics and the only one I've found to misbehave is Leadbelcher, it often will tear up the parchment paper a bit.
@@demonthault My Vallejo Gunmetal and Brassy Brass both tend to get gritty, unlike the colour paints on the palette.
I've been collecting books in the Horus Heresy series for about five years now. One day I found out a friend of mine actually played 40K, and that gave me the impulse to hit the Warhammer shop and pick out my first army. The store manager was nice and helpful, but totally dug his Aeldari claws into me. Sold me his last box of Apocalypse Chaos Space Marines. A battalion detachment with 37 models. That, along with the codex, and I was well over $200 deep with no paints, no brushes, no tools, and no experience. Not even the basic rule book for the game.
I opened the box, saw this pile of grey plastic and just put it away. It sat next to my desk for a solid four months before I finally got some paints and tools together.
Definitely start small. Give yourself a chance to figure out if you even want to continue with the hobby before you drop a whole paycheck on something it might turn out you hate.
Uncle Atom speaks the truth - wet palettes are one of the best tools you'll use! One more piece of advise, don't be afraid to make mistakes.
YES! THis! Fail, learn and fail faster
I cover mistakes with Blood for the blood god or Ryza rust+ typhus corrosion and a little wash HAHA FAST ARMY BUILD HACKS
@@lennonpierce1607 I do the same thing, works like a dream. No one will see it if it's covered in mud and blood.
I used a little flat porcelain bowl. I started to use a wet palette a couple of months ago and it was like a rebirth. really, it was kinda new way of painting for me.
I didn't wanted to make mistakes cause i didn't knew about stripping miniatures. If you look at your mini and don't like the paint scheme or something else you can't fix it with a couple brush strokes, strip it! It's a lot of work but you will get better with every try. And you can try almost everything. You don't like it? Strip it! Sometimes I wait a couple days till i throw them in and work on another mini meanwhile, but in the most cases they land in isopropyl.
This increased my painting skills dramatically (for my conditions ;). I'm more into painting than playing the game, so my last tip isn't for everyone.
I would not say that you buy one unit. You should start with one of the start collecting boxes that have a variety of models inside. Else you will be bored with having like 10 models to paint that all look the same.
What also is an imperative if you start: pick a faction you LIKE. Then its easier to get investet into the painting and stuff.
Liking the look of something is huge! Don't start off with just something you think is strong. Start with something you like the look of. You will be looking at these minis for a long while.
Parsee Mizuhashi i think a little bit of that is wrong bcs I picked Harlequins and they’re not a good army to start with because it’s pretty finesse it turns out, so I had a slightly rough time. Grey Knights are also probably a bad first army.
Couldn't agree more. You could always start painting a single unit, but have the content to get started playing too. There is nothing more motivating than painting the crappiest unit while some really cool models are sitting right beside them waiting for you to finish that unit.
I'd also encourage starting with the most basic unit (for 40k... tac squad, eldar guardians...). Not only are they a good starting point to get used to the core army colours without too much bling on them... but as you add more elite units, the basic troops with your trial paint jobs get pushed further to the back and the focal points have your best paint job.
@@eeeh9693 I started Dark Eldar, if you are not a freak who want to do all the box schemes, it is not hard. And TBH use tutorials as a reference not a strict how to. Cherry pick the techniques you like and are good with eg.Good drybrush looks far better than poor attempt at layering or edge highliting.
I saved and saved for my first 40k kit when I was around 10. I bought a squad of space wolves
for Russ!
Now go chase the Thousand Sons into the eye of terror.
All is dust
There's a well know Italian idiomatic expression which sums up this video: "Chi va piano, va sano e va lontano", which would translate to "Those who have an easy-going and relaxed approach to life, live more healthily and longer“ .. :o)
When I found the hobby I spent about $100 just starting. I got the main book, my box of Gretchin, the snippers, a few paints and 2 brushes (layer brush and dry brush) and a spray paint.
After I built and painted those I was addicted 😂
Truly the essentials, and welcome to the plastic crack life 😂😂
Honestly I don't even plan on actually playing the game. I'm just content to assemble the armies, and make some photos. And one day maybe build a small diorama with them ;).
Luckily my wallet prevents me of going too far into the hobby, hahahaha!
I dove deep on my first venture into the wargaming hobby when I bought a big starter set. Fortunately, I was even deeper into scale modelling by the time I discovered tabletop wargaming. So I'd say it is not too bad to go big in this hobby if you already have experience building and painting the larger scale models.
My tip, if you want to play, is buy troops on Ebay. Like you buy 20 soldiers, an HQ and a tank on Ebay. If they are still on sprues its cheaper. If it's already painted, unless it's a pro job, its still cheaper than buying new.
This way you can start to play quickly. Then you can fill in the gaps with buying brand new. Like you want another HQ and a flyer or whatever that you feel would be fun/good for your army.
Tl;dr buy used. Cheaper and you get to play quickly instead of assembling and painting a ton
Great topic 👍🏼. With the vast amounts of info now from UA-cam, Facebook, Twitter and forums it’s not only overwhelming but also can be conflicting. It’s not just limited to this hobby either - when I started making UA-cam videos myself you can get dragged down the “you need this camera, and this mic and this and this.... You see the amazing paint jobs or the great videos and feel you need all the best stuff from day one. Really enjoyed this one Adam - thanks.
Started playing D&D a year ago w/ 1 group. Then started to DM for my friends once a week. Then the books, then a few minis, then a paint or three. A year later and my apartment looks like a hobby store, with countless paints, brushes, & terrain everywhere.
I thought I would just buy the players handbook, my mini, and 1 set of dice. Pffft... its a great hobby but it adds up quickly.
Thats how they get you. "All you need to get started" kit turns into a $5k mountain of minis, books and paint.
This video made me a little proud, because, although I just saw it for the first time, so far I have been following the advice in the last couple of years (except that I was going really slow with the projects I had). I play a lot of board games, and one had a bunch of plastic minis. So i asked a friend I knew painted minis, if I could borrow some of his stuff and time so he could show me how to paint.
Then, when I started Gloomhaven I bought some colors and a few brushes and painted the minis we were playing with. Then, two months ago other friends of mine removed the dust from their old warhammer minis and started playing Kill Team, and they convinced me to buy a box. Now I have painted the first one, so I feel comfortable playing with it and glued and primed a couple more, so I'm slowly getting more involved.
Decided a couple weeks ago that I hate money so I'm getting into 40k. Your vids are great, slowly working through them while getting ready to paint my first unit.
Pure genius as always. I lucked out and asked a friend if he had some old paints and minis. He gave me a couple of Hero Quest orcs and some old paint. Watched a few of your painting tutorials and was stoked on how the came out. Picked up Soul Wars and MSP starter paint set. The rest is history. 😊
I sure went too fast.
I STILL have unopened boxes from my first purchases of 40k.
Now I only play skirmish games.
Should probably sell em but man... That nostalgia.
Wet pallet is a must :)
And the idea about painting some models for friends is very good. When I was re-starting the painting after some years of pause, I painted some reaper figures for my friends and that was an amazing practice. They bought the minis ;) Today when I want to test some new technique or colour scheme, I sometimes paint a mini for a friend, e.g. as a birthday present. Even if I don't do the greatest paintjob, most people wont notice any mistakes and think the mini is amazing, so everyone is happy.
I have been a longtime player of the DOW games and have read several 40K books, and graphic novels. Having been in the military I wasn’t going to lug models all around the globe so I stopped building them ( kept deluxe exto knife kit and dermal tools). Fast forward to quarantine times I brought “First strike” 40K starter kit. After playing a few practice games to get core rules down. I ordered paint intercessiors and Death guard. Then I ordered “know no Fear”, when quarantine was lifted went to local hobby shop and brought more paint ( to paint LOC & Gravis Capt.). Found out shop is closing in August. Hit UA-cam and found all this awesome 4OK info. Followed your advise on brushes brought 2 pacts of $5 brushes from Walmart, made homemade wet palette. Keep up the good work Uncle Atom, love the fez.
If you pizza when you need to french fry...... your gonna have a BAD TIME.
What?
@@Sorrowdusk don't question it
@@micheap2995 I....but......
@@Sorrowdusk Shh. Google is your friend, my friend.
@@Fraggr92 OooooOOOoooOOOoooh
Atom swears by the inexpensive emery board, I use needle files. They can be found at discount hardware stores such as Harbor Freight. They typically cost about $5.00 and you get an assortment of round, flat, triangular, and square files. The discount hardware store is also a good place to pick up clippers, as the set shown in this video.
Chaos Slayer of Worlds Totally agree- got the same files and clippers at Harbor Freight like you, and even though I bought 2 pairs of the clippers (as they were $3, I think) just in case one “wore out” or something, I have never even needed to use the second pair. Been using the same ones for over two years, and they’re as good as the day I bought them. I broke one file accidentally (not even modeling related) but there are some doubles in there, so it didn’t much matter-and I just brush them free of plastic dust with an old toothbrush every time I use them- they’re as good as new, too. And Citadel wants $32 for a set of clippers- yeah, right! Good call on the Harbor Freight Tools- they also have a cheap version of a Dremel rotary tool for about $8- I use one of those for converting larger models- it’s worth checking out!
When I first got into 40k nearly 2 years ago, I went ALL IN and bought a TON of Death Korps of Krieg models... I am still working my way through painting them literally as I listen to this video. It was just too much to start with, and it becomes so overwhelming that I have to put them away and go paint a tank or something before I can come back to work on the infantry.
I've recently dipped my toe into table top after being a fan of the 40k novels and Heresy novels for quite some time. I first started by asking a friend of mine if he had a miniature he wouldn't mind me painting and practicing on, surly enough he and and let me have a go. I've honestly never enjoyed a process as much as I did painting it. It turned out pretty well and a week later I'd painted his entire Machanicus Skitarii unit.
I've since bought myself a Deathwatch kill team and a few paints. I'm still wondering why I hadn't got into this soon.
I have to say though, if it want for me trying myself with just one model first I would have never actually started.
I must say - your voice is so pleasant! If you're not already, you would do great in radio or podcasting or something. And great advice in this video as well.
20 years ago I got into Warhammer fantasy, bought about a 6000 pt dwarf army...I still have 3000 pts unpainted...😟 I'll get to them...I hope 😊
I started Warhammer 40K wanting to build White Scars Space Marines so I got a tactical squad and a devastator squad.
Then I realized painting was complicated and ended up getting a "Getting Started" 8th edition guide and a starter Intercessors paint set to practice painting.
This was three years ago.
I didn't start painting them until recently. My Ultramarines Intercessors don't look great but it's good practice for painting my White Scars later on.
Also, I am working on a set of Necron Warriors. They are practice before I work on my Trazyn figurine.
I have been in this hobby at least 15 years, I have built over 2000 mini's from small to large... Yet I've still somehow been entranced to not only click on this vid but watch it in its entirety, good work.
This channel has hands down the best quality audio production of any I listen to on UA-cam. Perfect audio.
Yep, I started with the wizkids primed figures. They were great for practice before I started painting figures for my actual games. I took risks and learned a lot. I still appreciate them as they showed my learning progression from figure to figure.
Just started Hobby about 6 months ago. Saw the vid about wet pallets. Made my own with a resealable tub a shammy cloth and some baking parchment (the more expensive the better for the parchment but baking paper will do just won't last long before it breaks down) saved me £££ on paints. Keped a palette wet for 2 months!
I know this video is over 2 years old, but it's probably worth noting that a good local gaming store should have a painting corner that customers can use to try things out. You, as a newbie, should be able to walk into the store, buy a mini and sit down in the store to learn how to paint it - ideally with someone there to give you some pointers. There are a number of things that define what makes a good hobby shop a good hobby shop, but that is certainly one of them.
Obviously this isn't a period in time where it's advisable, or even possible in some cases, to go and do that; but once we have some kind of normality back it is worth finding your nearest store and seeing if you can spend just a few dollars/pounds/euros/etc to get a real feel for that side of things.
If you're reading this and you run a hobby shop that doesn't have a painting area, maybe consider starting one. It helps a great deal with buy-in and customer retention.
I really couldn't agree more with the "inexpensive brush" topic. Especially if you're just starting. I even use crayola brushes occaisonally. They're easily replaced, and as such, I don't shed any tears when they get frayed, crusty, or otherwise ruined. Once you have experience and want to start going the extra mile, sure. Go ahead and upgrade. I love my "psychopath" brush for paintimg tiny facial features. But sometimes, I don't even need that brush for those jobs. It's just a nice thing to have for those "I want to get insane with my details" moments.
TLDR: Snuff not the cheap brush.
I can relate sooooo much with this topic. I went pretty crazy at first and bought a full 2000 pts of thousand sons (my favorite chapter from a lore perspective) and the whole paint set I needed to paint all my stuff. I ended up only painting 10 rubric marines so far (off the 2000 pts, that should weight about 200 pts). Afterward, I went and bought another full 2000 pts of Death Guard. Same thing happened with the new army, most of it is still in their original box and I only slowly progress.
I'm a bit blown away by the 'use clippers' thing.
I've spent my entire career hobbying cutting things off sprues with a hobby knife.
It's like... oh. I didn't even realize that was possible.
Oh boy I needed this video years ago! I bought 3000 pts of flesh eater courts 3 years ago and just finished getting them table top ready for armies on parade this year. And for anyone doubting the wet palette oh boy is it worth the $5 I put into it. Especially when I come back a day or two later and the paint is still ready to work with and get back to painting.
I started out with painting from a tile then progressed to the wet pallette. For a beginner I would definately recommend learning on a tile or dish first and aim to get to the wet palette.
Learn how paint behaves first. Get your primary colours, Practice mixing different colours and tones, test the thickness of your paint on your thumbnail, it will make you pretty.
learn how to control the brush. Learn how to make and use a "wash", learn how to "glaze" and also "drybrush."
I would also recommend learning early on how to use spray cans for "priming" and "basecoating" as this will save you alot of grunt work and it's alot of fun.
Don't get put off as you can't paint like the videos on youtube or WD or whatever. Starting out, You will make mistakes, early efforts may well be toilet. You have got to put the time in, it's the only way, you will get better.
Can I just say you definitely need to get clippers! I spent my first... I want to say year, in the hobby with just a hobby knife.... I built an entire 1500 point Dark Eldar Force, plus a Tau kill team with no clippers.... I regret so much.
Fingernail clippers, will do in a pinch, for any new people who are on a budget
Oof! your poor fingers
Every time I want to buy clippers though, I turn around and think "but I can get another tactical squad instead" and I use my hobby knife.
I've only cut myself once in 2 years, I'm the stubborn headed sort of person, but even I'm thinking that I will buy clippers...
How many fingertips have you got left?
@@deefman123 all of them :)
for how long? who knows :3
Gotta agree with the point on number of models, wanted to collect nids so I bought 20x gaunts and 20x termies to get started. Mistakes were made.
I painted 2 fully and then got completely burnt out at the prospect of detail painting them all after doing all the base colours for them and have just commissioned models since :P
I kinda did the same. I went from Space Marines (Blood Angels) to 'Nids because I wanted a new style and felt like a horde army could be fun. By the time I finished 20 termagaunts and a tyrant guard I just couldn't face it. I even had a really simplistic colour scheme. I never even started the monsterous creature I bought (reaver... ravener... something like that big coiled up snake like one).
I now changed to Eldar, since they're smaller, technical, but aren't a horde army and have a nice variety of models with their Aspect Shrines. I picked Iyanden... a bright yellow colour scheme.
I hate painting yellow...
So this video actually helped with a picture I've been painting. I have model paints and non model paints. I was using the latter for the picture and was not getting the blending down well with the non model paints. Then hearing you mention the part about pigment concentration made the light bulb go off and now I'm finishing the painting with more ease by using my model paints and washes. So thank very much.
Funny this vid came out as a I bought a start pack of empire marine guys. It's for sure an overwhelming task, once I opened the box. It took me 3 hours to put my commissar and some of my transport together. The games workshop guys gave me two free space marines to practice first, great guys very supportive. I've noticed that everyone in this hobby are extremely welcoming and helpful.
Yep, pretty much broke all these tips... thankfully, now found some gamers in my local area and getting games. Which is motivating me to get through this cellar of shame.
Also, get a decent "daylight" desk light. One with a gooseneck so you can adjust it and move it around and such. "Don't do what I did" and buy an all-in-one magnifier, helping hands, storage drawer, light kind of thing. Buying the separate tools is better than an all-in-one solution. You want to be able to adjust your light.
When I got into the hobby I bought the original AoS Starter set and a GW paint set that included glue and cutters (this was before the original Generals Handbook) and then found a store where around 7 guys got together to play once a week. I learned a lot from them, from you (wet pallet was a big one) and from other you tubers too! I feel AoS was the perfect game to get me started in the hobby, it's still my favorite game.
I totally agree with the 'buy one or two models' thing, the recent Conquest magazine by Games Workshop follows this model quite well and also offers great value on the figures and paints included when compared to the usual retail prices of exactly the same figures.
Something I've been doing since getting back into the hobby is to watch a few UA-cam videos and visit stores for advice on which paints to use for a specific model, then I can decide for myself which final result I like the best. Some of the techniques do require practice but it's worth the effort to stick with the videos, watching them repeatedly to see exactly how they do it. After a while the techniques sink in so now I can use some creative flare and, having already painted a range of different models, have a wide range of colours (acquired over several months as money allowed) to choose from.
One of the biggest improvements for me came from learning how to use a brush properly, how to care for my brushes, and using high quality brushes. Dipping the brush right up to the handle will destroy the hairs, especially when using inks, so I prefer to use a cheaper brush for inks and washes. I use fine art brushes, Windsor and Newton Series 7, I believe Games Workshop do a very similar range but for a price; basically a good artist brush will help a lot with fine, smooth brush strokes. Worth having a range of brushes, both cheap and high end. I also periodically clean them using The Masters Brush Cleaner, maybe old fashioned shaving foam soap would also work, its basically a soap for real hair to wash off any old paint and condition it back to how the brush should be.
Man this is timely. I have just started the hobby and was planning on going to the shop this weekend and picking up one of those start collecting boxes. I think I will just get a small box of troops for killteam instead.
I think those start collecting boxes are a good start personally. That's where I started
The start collecting boxes are great value, so if you decide to stick with the hobby and want to expand out to full 40k that's what I would suggest you buy next.
check out "First Strike": two factions, 6 SM, 9 CSM, terrain, core rules and codices, rulers, dice.
use the leftover money and buy some nice brushes or an airbrush and paints etc...
Start collecting boxes are the way to go. They give you a much better feel of the army than a single unit will.
I definitely made a lot of those bad decisions, the biggest thing for me though was a crippling anxiety about colour schemes and what exact colours to use in what exact order and how much to water down each paint etc... Allocating a single Ultramarine as my throwaway test model was a big help to both my sanity and my progress
Thanks Atom, I work the night shift at a hospital some days I just cant sleep. I put on one your videos your voice and the subject hold my attention just enough to help me fall asleep. And I dont even own any paint or figures, but for some reason it does the trick. Might need you to get into reading audio books.
Should’ve watched this three months ago! Oh well. I’ve got an amazing backlog and a long winter ahead. As a new hobbyist I’ve found breaking down the steps into a list help me feel there is progress.
my first pack was the blood angels tactical squad and i love assembling the models, its my favourite part (aside form playing the game)
Definitely on the money here. At one point, I was entering slowly into the hobby, and had about 750pts of IG built up (this was 7th edition, ofc, so way more models fit into that point bracket), and I got a really good deal on about 2000 points of guard, unpainted and unassembled. I used to churn out a new finished kit once every month or week, now it's kind of a chore to just find the time to work on "the pile". Most of the pile is gone now though, thankfully.
Excellent advice, but the title really should be: Are You Getting Into the *Miniatures Painting* Hobby Too Fast?
Wargaming is much, much more than just painting up figures for the game of the month.
Pick your period (there are more than just 40k), get a set of rules that piques your interest, and a small force for each side. Don't bother to paint them, just play a couple of games and see if this is what you want to invest more time and money in. If you want to go cheap, proxy in green and brown toy soldiers from the dollar store and if you are a true miser, use bits of paper for your figures. This way you can decide if you like the game before you start sinking cash into it.
Secondly, Games Workshop models are very expensive compared to the rest of the SF market (though they are very nice sculpts). Look around at what is being played in your area and see if there are other SF games you can dip your toe into for fewer pennies. The same goes for historicals, though Warlord is more on par with the rest of the market. Don't just look at your FLGS though, check in your area for an independent war games club that is not interested in promoting what's on the store shelves right now. Universities and Colleges are a good start. Don't worry, lots of these clubs will have someone who is interested in Malifaux, 40K etc.
Ask to participate in a game or ask someone to host a game for you. Gamers need opponents and are usually pretty nice people. Most will be more than happy to let you play with their toys to try things out. This is one thing the GW gets spot on - hit up your local shop for a game, just keep your hand on your wallet. ;)
And finally painting - paint to a standard *you* are happy with then get the models on the table. There is *nothing wrong* with a simple three colour paint job.
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As a video gamer I saw my start with the hobby two years ago as buying a console, you know, getting started with gaming. And that costs about 400 bucks. 300 or so for the console and 60 or so for a game or two. This, I think, really rationalized how I spent my money. I spent 400, about half went to getting models, a little less actually. I got half of a dual starter box and another start collecting box. The rest I spent on paint and craft supplies. I got the big box of army painter paints with brushes for like 80 bucks. A knife and clippers and two types of glue for like maybe 20 total. The extra I set aside and ended up getting a compressor and badger airbrush (about 150 total).
I will say I ended up retiring my army painter a year later for citadel and Vallejo. But the AP paints I got for really cheap and it was like 45 pots of different colors. I learned a lot with those paints, how to thin, how to mix, mediums, pigments, how each color works a little differently (or very, I'm looking at you white). But it was a great investment even though I didn't burn through all of them.
Now armed with that 80 bucks spent on paint I have a great amount of knowledge on paint and buy individual paints based on that knowledge and it's saved me tons.
Back to the video game analogy I treat this hobby like I did gaming. I would buy a game or two every month, sometimes new, sometimes used. I equate my spending to that. And 50 bucks a month, spent or saved, can make an army fast in warhammer. Not to mention it will pace you so your backlog for assembly and painting isn't that bad.
Timely video just getting back into the hobby, plenty of good pointers in there, now just need GW to get Kill Team back in stock!
This is literally everything I tell people who are new to the hobby. Excellent work.
I started painting minis for D&D and when I wanted to start playing Warhammer, I bought a tactical squad eBay lot, stripped it and painted it. There's still a difference between painting 1 d&d mini and painting 20 Marines. eBay's great to make sure you wanna paint 10 of something.
Chiming in, before I got a wet pallet I almost wanted to stop the hobby. After I got my Army Painter wet pallet it completely changed miniature painting for me. I could do blends, the only time I had to get more paint on my pallet is when I had actually used it all, not when it had all dried up after 5 minutes, and it is significantly easier to thin your paints to the right consistency on a wet pallet than it is eye balling it with water from your cup (which could stain your paints with pigments from other paints you've used this session). 10/10 Wet pallets are an essential for mini painting
Couldn't agree more re the wet palette. Dont think about it spend £2 and make yourself one. Maybe a 5er if you don't have a spare lunch box knocking about!
Did this with the Zombicide boxes, and HO MY GOODNESS it saved my life!
My first IG units I'm painting now looks worlds better than those first few rough, sloppy zombies.
Start collecting sets are great too start with, I'm getting into 40k and picked up a space marine start collecting box and it was easy to put together, paint and etc. and it wasn't overwhelming. They're great sets.
Follow up comment about paints: if you want to save money, you can totally get by with just the primary colors, black, white, black shade and a pot or two of metallics. It might take a bit longer to paint with since you have to mix colors every once in a while (less of a problem with wet palettes, get one!) but on the other hand you'll get an intuitive sense of mixing colors from the get-go, which is super nice to have developed down the line.
I got a paint set it’s a brilliant way to get in to the hobby you get to practice your painting it gives you a start for your army and if you don’t enjoy it you haven’t wasted too much money.
Getting into using a wet palette was something I wish I had done when I started painting. I built my own, and was hesitant to use it as it kinda sucked. It was a combination of Atom and Sam talking about them that gave me the "ah-ha" moment. I went out and bought an actual one from the hobby shop. For $20ish bucks, in this hobby? It's easily the best $20 I've spent for the hobby, having something that is custom built for the purpose, and not a re-purposed sandwich container, really made the difference. My problems with condensation, drying, separating paint, rolling parchment paper, all gone, and I could focus on using my paints. I have workable paints for hours when exposed to air, and weeks later when sealed. The ease of doing touch ups when you don't have to worry about paint drying out and can freely go back and forth between multiple paints at your leisure is HUGE. And because doing touch ups is easier, and you'll be more likely to do them, you'll end up cultivating brush control from the practice, and need to do them less and less as a result. And none of this even touches how trivial it'll make wet blends and more advanced techniques.
Go. Buy. A wet. Palette.
I similarly wish I bought an airbrush earlier, but a wet palette is similarly huge in different regards, and has a significantly lower cost of entry AND learning curve.
Thank you for the great videos Unk, and give Sam some tasty paint for me the next time you see him. You guys have had a huge impact on my hobbying :)
When i started, i painted up dark vengeance, dark angels. I split it with my buddy. Then i bought a a second on Ebay. Then i deployed before painting. I decided to create a successor chapter, so i bought 100+ marines (mostly from fw), rhinos, drop pods, upgrade kits, contemptor dreads, the whole 9 yards. I also got a cerastus knight. I was overwhelmed. It took a long time to put a dent in it, and was demotivating at times. I was too new to the hobby. Eventually everything got painted, so did betrayalbat calth and burning of prospero, also 2 dark vengeance sets. I knew how to paint big armies now.
Then i bought a 2k hydra army. 160 troops, and a few big bugs. This time, i had experience and knew i could tackle a big project.
My current pile of shame sits at a box of reivers and a redemptor dread. Im happy with that.
great advice,
start small, understand the game mechanics/ armies, plan efficiently = no wasted time or dollars :)
I am just starting at this. The prompt for my interest was finding , in a disposal crate, a FULL CITADEL ULTIMATE PAINT SET. I mean the LOT. Even the Air paints. I already have a dual action airbrush and compressor from doing paint jobs on bikes. So far all I've spent on WH40k is £50 on a box set of thirty guys and bits and bobs for my wet palette and brushes.
About 6 months on the mini train now. Found my old Hero Quest set and painted them artists acrylic. Finished those and bought a DnD adventure board game with like 43 models. Then I bought Soul Wars and started mainlining the plastic crack. Now building two separate armies up from 1000pts to 2000.
Slowly picked up supplies and paints as I go. Got about 10 proper mini paints from army painter then a 36 color army painter set with 12ml bottles, very economical. Only buy specialty paints from citadel, I mix a lot.
I probably have about 150 painted minis and about 30 built and primed. I don't play enough.
My big piece of advice is to try armies with proxies before you settle on one to actually by and paint, play some casual games with those proxies, and you will probably change armies a couple times before you find one that you really like the aesthetic and gameplay of. I rotated through like 4 or 5 different 40k armies before deciding on Renegades and Heretics. Dont go balls deep into a 2000$ Tau army only to discover that Orks are a lot more fun to build and play for you personally.
I painted for many years with a ceramic plate as my palette, I've recently switched to a dollar-store plastic container with parchment paper and paper-towel and it's leagues better.
100% agree to start with Wizkids and Bones. I always wanted to paint miniatures, so about a year or two ago I went to my local game shop, bought some goblins and a bugbear and started painting. Cut to this year, I decided I wanted to paint minis to actually play with, and I made the jump into Kill Team. Now I'm slowing building up an Ork army to start playing 40k. I'll tell ya! You're totally right, I would be bummed if I started with the GW models, because my first Bone minis don't look to great!
And as for the wet pallet, it's day and night. While using the plastic paint trays, I always felt rushed because of how fast the paint dried. Now, I'm able to take my time and enjoy the hobby and relax.
For choosing paints; Pick three colours. One primary, one contrasting colour, (Like, if you choose red as your primary, you grab a blue as a contrasting colour), and your accent (Small details).
Usually this works best on armies with a very constrained pallette (Tau, Eldar, Marines, Chaos, Nids all spring to mind).
Nice to know I had a good start! :D
I'm completing easy to build Primaris Intercessors and today I ordered easy to build reivers.
That wet palette video was a game changer for me. I can't believe I ever painted without it. And your build suggestions are on point, I've been using the same one for over a year and with just a little bit of care it really lasts!
I’m on the other hand really happy I bought sets of Vallejo intro paints and washes. They were not that expensive, and there’s no color I don’t use.
Thanks for sharing your experiences,I wish I had gotten this advice when I started haha
After my Warhammer fantasy greenskins army disaster I always go for the one box at a time rule, otherwise I will overwhelmed with the painting.
Also doing one unit at a time gives you a lot more of a connection to every singel model and once you have an entire painted army, each and every miniature really feels special instead of a chunk of painted plastic from the conveyor belt.
I've used paper plates and tiles for my paint in the past. I picked up a wet pallet at Hobby Lobby on sale and I have not gone back.
On the paper plates and tiles the paint would dry faster and I'd end up wasting paint no matter how little I put down. On the wet pallet, I put a drop or 2 for start and paint. Then add another drop or 2 in a new spot if the first runs out. Depending on how fast you paint, it can still skin over, which is why when I'm doing detail work and going slower I'll put less on the pallet.
Mine has a sponge in it and I use pallet paper on it. I occasionally have to replace the sponge, or buy another pack of papers. As long as you take care of it, the sponge will last a while. It can have some bleed through from the paper to the sponge so when you change it out, you will want to rinse the sponge out. Also, if you have too much water in the pallet, it will make the paint run.
As for tools, the clippers are a must, however, make sure of the sort you get. Some are designed to work better with plastics and some are better with metals and if you are not careful you can put a nick in your blade. The flat side kind are a must.
I bought a single imperial guard commissar mini (first mini ever). While it gets to me in the mail, i'm deliberating what to do next. Sounds like good advice with the paint. The ending of this video is gold.
Literally watching this the day before I go out and dive into 40k for the first time. Thank you great takes here
Halfway into the video
I have made every mistake so far... Though I don't regret it as I'm truly enjoying it. I knew my first like 10 models are going to be thrash and that is how I started. Knowing I'll repaint them or save them as memories.
If you are like me, one who doesn't like to leave his cave Amazon is a one stop shop for all your "getting started" goodies. I picked up a cheap 'hobby kit' that had Clippers, hobby knife w/extra blades, multiple files, tweezers, and a few other things I'm not even sure what they are for and it was only around $12. As for paints I got both the reaper starter kits (Core Skills & Layer Up) for a few bucks cheaper then Reaper themselves sell on their website. For both it was around 67$ for 22 different paints, 4 brushes, and 6 reaper minis to get your feet wet with. Between both kits you have all base colors and a decent handful of others to get going.
I also grabbed a 8$ cutting mat (dont "need it" but its nice to have, $15 desk lamp that doubles as a helping hands unit with built on magnifier and alligator clip arms (again, dont "need" it, but nice to have). As for my starter models I picked up a Blood Angels Deathwatch box ($33) and an Orc Gretchin box ($18). Both cheap enough to get me going to build a little practice on before dumping more money in the more expensive /larger units. I'm getting into the hobby just for the crafting and not to actually play the game so I have no specific army building goal. Just whatever looks like fun to build or paint without it requiring a new mortgage!
Only thing with getting it all on Amazon is its worth it if you already have Prime. Without Prime the shipping costs for all the separate items you want could add up fairly quickly...
For sprue cutters I found a pair at Walmart. The jewelry crafts section has the same sprue clippers that my hobby shop did, but with a different cheap grip. I think it was 6$ vs the 25$ one at the hobby shop.
You don't need a quality cutter. Trim nub marks with a hobby knife and sanding paper.
Started the hobby this summer and Uncle Adam speaks the truth. Decided to get into the hobby with the Dark Imperium set and I thought it would make for a great deal, however I soon realized my mistake as I had nearly 60 models staring me down in their grey plastic after assembly. Now four months later I have all but one HQ painted from the set... it still feels rewarding and it's nice to be able to look back at my progress, but still, probably would have been best to start small and build from there rather than starting as big as I did.
Wet pallet is amazing! I mix together a skin tone one day and can still use it 3 days later!
I think one of the hardest things in this hobby is striking a balance. On one hand, yes you shouldn't blow all your money too early, or spend day and night painting so you get burnt out, but on the other hand if you spend all your time being reserved and thinking a week about every single dollar you spend you arent gonna have as much fun. I agree that the pre primed DnD minis are a good start, but if you find yourself bored and uninspired when painting those, maybe don't be too scared to buy that box of deathwatch you've been eyeing. Being reserved and having a plan in case it's not your thing, but if you never allow yourself to act out of pure excitement and joy for the hobby you probably won't find it to be your thing.
Wet pallete is the way to go!
I was very happy with Vallejo Game Color Introduction Set (72299) I got as a gift. 16 colours including 3 metallics - in general still using same paints. Plus Citadel washes, as Adam said, they make a difference. Then I added few Citadel "Layers". And Vallejo mediums to play with, they are quite useful. Then all the stuff for basing. And so it goes...
Ever since picking up painting again, the wet palette has really helped my skill improved. I would recommend any new painters to start with a wet palette.
going in too deep too fast is exactly what happened to me. I got into 40k in 2019, and i did start small, first getting the "start painting" boxes of just 3 space marines and then 3 death guard. I enjoyed it a lot, and in christmas i got the "know no fear" box set. by my birthday which is in late march I got several more boxes of minis, and by that time I just got overwhelmed. this caused me to stop painting minis for over 2 years, and only just now have I gotten back into the hobby.
Yup. I bought a 5-man squad "starter kit" as my first entry into 40k. Painted it up just fine (though the included paints were kinda tacky) and started looking for my next project. Decided to go with this huge box called "Assault on Black Reach" which had like 45 models in it or something including 2 races, commanders, a Dreadnaught and some other more advanced models. That was several years ago, most of the models are still not painted, i haven't attempted to paint any other models since then, i've never actually played with any of the models that i did paint, i already completely dried out one set of paint cans from just sitting on my shelf and i currently have some more just sitting there waiting to be dried out as well. The problem i kept running into was that i either didn't know how to paint the models properly because i was still new which caused me to stop painting because i didn't want to mess up the models, or i would paint a model to what i considered finished at the time, then i'd move on to the next model and i'd learn new techniques and generally get better at painting, and then i'd be left with my models basically looking like a step-by-step display of my progress as a painter. Every model would look different because they were painted at different stages in my learning curve and they didn't resemble an army at all, which of course took all the fun out of painting. The fact that GW decided to change their paint pigments and can design in the middle of all of this didn't exactly help with uniformity either.
If you want my advice, i'd say to listen to the guy in the video. Don't buy big sets of models when you're still new. Buy smaller packs that you can paint in a timely manner without getting burned out or overwhelmed. Even consider buying "burner models" that you can practice on without the pressure of needing them to turn out perfect for your army. The bigger packs with lots of models might seem like good value but they're not gonna be good value if they just end up sitting on your shelf becuse you're too hesitant to paint them.
Also get some form of spray-based base paint for your models. It's a lot easier to get a uniform coating of base paint with a spray can. It's no fun applying base paint with a paint brush only to find that you applied too much paint which filled out all the details on your models.
(Also yes, i can confirm that a wet palette is the way to go. Makes painting so much easier and it lets you use A LOT more of the paint before it dries out.)
Before I start painting my 40k models I have begun practicing on an old XMen boardgame that had plastic/resin minis as gamepieces. I then bought the Intesessor start to paint kit 1) for the paints and 2) for the 3 marine models to proactice on
Yup. Wet palette rocks! I’ve been painting since the nineties, and discovered Atom’s wet palette vid abot six months ago. The wet palette saves sooo much hassle and makes my paint last through multiple paintin sessions. You owe it to yourself to try it out.
If you are looking for more “practice” minis, there are scores of board games that come with figures that look great once painted. They also make perfectly serviceable placeholder models if they you want to try out different lists before committing to buying your own.
Just switched to a wet pallet this past weekend. It is heavenly. I should have been using one for the past 8 years.
Thanks for sharing this. Very useful for new folk to the hobby, and also a great reminder for us who have been around for decades.
Also Atom, very much enjoying the channel.
Great video! Personally, for washes, the GW ones are great though with the size change to the taller pot they spill easy. I'd recommend the Army painter washes/inks, they are a little cheaper and best of all they come in dropper bottles so if you knock it over, no mess, no fuss. Though I appreciate, as noted in the video, everyone has their preferences but that's just my two pence.
CA glue is broken down by light and heat. The best advice I ever got regarding it is to keep it in your refrigerator. It won’t freeze and lasts forever.
I got into 40k way too fast too. I did the same thing and got a full list of SOB and got overwhelmed after finally putting them all together. Long story short I sold them and I’m now buying one box of Custodians, building that box, painting them fully, and then I can move onto the next box and it’s a good way for me to pace myself.
I would recommend the reaper learn to paint kit. It's what I used to start painting. It's only around a $30 investment and comes with 2 brushes, 3 reaper bones models, 11 paints and a nice guide to follow with some basic techniques. It was a low investment to see if I would be into painting minis. Also it was great to start with some models that I didn't care about, as opposed to being nervous that I would ruin the models from my favorite game. It's a great way to dip your toe into painting, and gain a little experience without costing an arm and a leg.