In responding to some comments, a few of you have made a really good point that it's not even the politics themselves, because we've technically always had politics... what I think really bothers me when I get to the heart of it is the WAY people are treating each other as they discuss these things. That's what has really taken a nasty turn. (I'm looking at you TWITTER!! Lol... but seriously...) Also just to clarify, I still think trad pub has a TON of amazing aspects and fully support it, this is just my personal reasons why I prefer self-publishing haha!
Hey Bethany; I'm a relatively long-term viewer and I just want to say thank you for all the video's you make, they are entertaining and educational and I appreciate it.
I dig what you say about genre-mixing. People literally get angry at me, the author, for not limiting my book to one specific, easily-defined genre AND what my characters do and say.
This was inspiring. I can't afford the luxury of traditional publishing because writing is my full-time job. If I had to wait for that big break, I would starve. I did query years ago when I had a regular job and that broke my spirit. I took control of my career, and while it's not yet where I want it to be, I'm living my dream.
I have been writing for years. In 2021 I sat down and wrote four books. That was my entire goal for the year. To write a series and feel like I had lived my dream. At the start of this year I started to query. It was a nightmare. It was a rejection after a rejection. I even took a course on querying before I started. I worked so hard on the query. After several months of rejections with no real feedback that was helpful. (Just "The book seems so good! I am just not looking for this kind of story right now." or "Not for me! Keep sending it out!") I decided to take your course and look more into self-publishing. My fiancé was worried that self-publishing would cost us a lot of start up money we would never get back. That since I am less "business" minded that we would fail. And yet he believes in my work itself. In taking your course I've come to realize that I am smart, I can learn the business side of things and I really want the freedom to self-publish. I feel like that is the path for me. It would be easy to say "Well, sure traditional publishing rejected you." But, it is not that. It is that I believe in my writing, I have others in my life who have actually read my work and feel the same thing. I believe that I can support my book and make it marketable best myself. I was always leaning toward self-publishing. I was just afraid of it. Now, I am working toward my first published book! Woo!
This is the coolest comment I've read on this video yet! So encouraged to hear that I've been able to help and heck yes you can absolutely publish your books and do an amazing job of it without spending crazy money! I'm excited to hear what you think of my video coming out next week with some author money tips that might also give you confidence about that, but in the meantime, keep rocking it!
Yay so inspiring! I’m self-publishing my first book on March 29th and I am so so excited. That being said, your comment made me smile! I wish you all of the best in your book. I know you can do it :)
It **is** all about believing in your own writing! Anything else is just extra. The early readers of my first draft loved my book! That was when I decided not to waste my time trying to query trad because I had already been reading horror stories here (on UA-cam) about good books that were rejected because “it’s just NOT what we’re looking for,” etc. I truly believe in the quality of my writing and the message of my book, and I am happy to say that this channel, and about four others, have been key in getting me to where I am 100% satisfied with the end product. Not only that, but the idea of doing a series hadn’t even occurred to me before I started learning here at UA-cam University. And now, I have four books in skeleton format, and hope to have two of them written and published by the end of the year. My newest and first I hope to have published by the end of April/early May. And that’s another thing about self publishing. “Deadlines” are just a concept! 😉
I also don't like reading books that are saturated with modern politics and social issues, as you said I just want to escape into a world that isn't the one I'm currently living in. I do enjoy reading books like Harry potter and Hunger games. While they do have politics in their stories it is not the main underlying themes and narrative.
@@danebirbhaha7520 I didn't grasp onto the underlying theme of the Hunger Games when I was younger. Before I even knew what politics was and I'm sure it was the same for a lot of the readers. I'm 22 how and just recently found out that was the case But now our world is so politically focused it's almost impossible not to notice, we're a lot more politically focused than before with all of social media and whatnot.
Thank you for making this video! I started writing at 14, but stopped at about 23 because I was discouraged after being rejected from a traditional publisher (I'm now 27). I never felt like my book series fit into any genre and hated answering the marketing question of where my book fit within the market. I know to be successful I would need to market, but I honestly just want to write books and not stress so much about sales. My goal anymore is not to create a livelihood from being an author, but just to enjoy the craft of writing again and to hold my book in my hands. If I make any money that's just a bonus. I also want control over my book too since I came up with it and WROTE the damn thing haha I dislike that trad publishers have all the control and I get it, they're investing their money, but if I'm not worried about making money, I think I'm going to really enjoy self publishing. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!
After completing my first novel, I looked at traditional publishing and felt that it was heavily influenced with politics (mainly identity). Like you, I see writing and the arts in general as providing an escape from the day to day trials of modern living - rather than just another platform for activism. It's made me question the value of the industry, although I'm sure there are still some great people at agencies and publishers.
I have been traditionally published for the past 15 years. Let me correct your information about advances. I wish advances were $10,000. They used to be. Now you’re lucky if you get a $3000-$5000 advance. A lot of publishers have moved to the royalty model where are you only receive payment after the book is published and starts making some money. So all the time and effort you put into your original manuscript, the revisions, reviewing line and copy edits… all those months of work yield zero dollars. Sometimes your book will sell well and you’ll make some decent money on the backend, but many times it doesn’t. So you’ve written your book for free and the publisher is reaping the reward. Too many of the big publishing houses have moved to this model when offering new or mid-list authors contracts, and it’s the norm now at the smaller houses. That’s terrifying for a traditionally published author who relies on that income to support their household. Trad pub marketing is next to nothing these days. We used to be very heavily marketed, now we barely get a mention. Where our books used to be in stores for months, a 30 day shelf life is more common, and that’s if our books are put out anywhere remotely near their release date (Walmart I’m looking at you). Then any royalties you may have earned during first quarter may be countered with a negative balance on your account because books were returned. A store may order 100 copies, put them out three or four weeks late, where at that point your readers have already purchased them off of Amazon, and then only sell a handful of copies before returning the rest to the publisher. That comes out of your royalty statement. And let’s not forget the agents, who take a chunk of everything and then drop you if you’re not producing nonstop. I once had an agent drop me because I wasn’t able to work for a few months due to an injury. That infuriated me. I had to query all over again. I hundred percent agree with you about a lot of trad pub books becoming too political. Not only have I’ve been asked to feather in a lot of things I felt didn’t belong in my story, I just finished reading a multi-book cozy mystery series that was so over the top political my head was spinning. Just my two cents.
I love how you mention the Christian elements. That's inspiring you base your story off of the Christian Scriptures. I greatly respect your convictions.
Thank you so much for this video! I find it so interesting that people I know who openly say they don’t read have an opinion about me taking the self publishing path. For me self publishing is somewhere I don’t have to change myself to fit it.
Thank you. Changing one's self to fit in is just....ugh. I feel I am leaning more toward self-publishing because I don't like being bound by unnecessary rules etc.
You are SO right about the genre problem. If you don't conform with agents' idea of "genre" you're done. They have their set little rules and no book can exist outside them. Simply not done!
Bethany, everything you said was spot on. I've been traditionally pubbed since 1990, but took a long break starting about eight years ago. I retired from teaching and went back to writing full time and was shocked at how tough it's become to even get an agent to answer a query. Deals are harder than ever to come by, the business is tougher than ever. Politics, as you said, is a powerful negative force in publishing. I had indie-pubbed my backlist years ago but it was languishing. I decided to bring my new book out indie and to devote a serious effort--in terms of money and time and energy--and it's worked out better than I could have hoped. Have sold more books, and am about to make more money than I ever have. My only issue is that I'm an old guy and came of age when "self-publishing" had a real stigma to it (remember Vantage Press?). Self-pubbing today is not anything like self-pubbing in the 60s and 70s. Self-pubbing (or as I prefer it "Indie Pubbing") is a POWERFUL force in publishing today. It is literally the wave of the future... And you're a great inspiration!
I was on the traditional pub route for so long, even had an agent and now I've been on the indie route, releasing my debut YA this summer. I love it so much! This whole process has been a lot of work, but I've enjoyed every step. I agree with you about the politics. It seems very toxic right now. I also think, as a black woman, writing characters of color, trad pub will choose a few BIPOC authors to highlight and say, "see we have diversity." And then they say the market is saturated, but it's not. I can't stand being on Twitter because its so toxic. I think there is room for all of us but trad pub makes me feel very much that if we, as an author, or our books don't fit into this one category then we won't sell. It's a weird duality of wanting us to be niche and broad at the same time. Great video. This is what I have been feeling as well!
I totally agree with you. I'm an 18 yr old avid reader and aspiring author. When I was younger, Barnes and Noble was paradise. Now when I walk in, there's virtually nothing to choose from. Everything is political, meaning the books focus less on the story they want to tell and more on the viewpoint they want to shove in your face every time you turn the page. I have nothing against a good moral, but there's a difference between a theme and propaganda. My sister and I are looking to self-publish because we purposefully left our book clean and (frankly) less woke, among other reasons. I personally don't want to sacrifice our story for PC-ness (lol). Great video!
I was being pursued by a trad pun. They were excited about my book but the agent wanted me to build up my audience which I was working on anyway. My mentor said why would you build everything and then make less . Trad pub is requiring authors to do the same amount of work that indie authors do with less control over the project. They use to say that if you aren't trad pub then you are not successful. That is no longer the case a number of authors do well in indie pub. Many even 6figures or work full-time as authors.
I am a trad pubbed YA author who is now looking to go indie for all of the reasons you just mentioned. I definitely fall on the liberal end of the political spectrum, as I am a lesbian married to my wife for over 20 years now. But I, too, am completely turned off by the book-Twitter vitriol. I’ve all but abandoned social media entirely over it, and Twitter used to be my happy place. But it’s not just that for me. It’s also that publishers don’t develop authors like they used to. It’s either you’re a bestseller out of the gate, or you’re cut loose. And with the editor/publicity turnover at publishing houses, relationships just aren’t what they used to be. As you said, there’s nothing wrong with going trad if you can get a deal. But it’s also okay to realize when trad is not for you, and in my case, having been through it with a Big 5 (or is it 4 now?) publisher, I can safely say that, at least as it stands now, trad pub is not for me.
We see politics in books, and movies. As they try to push agendas. It bothers me. I just want a good story! That's all. I want to self publish because of this as well. I don't want to be told what to write. That I should put a certain agenda in my book. I want to write what I am passionate about. What I love Not what the world wants.
So, I'm both traditionally and self published. Most traditionally stuff was small press, both writing and art. And though I love prose (a few stories published and a novella), most of my work has been in comics. But I too find myself more and more going the self-published route (or through my publishing co: Dark Fire Press). I had one bad experience with a traditional publisher where I was never paid for my work, with no marketing done either. And that seems to be the trend: work, cover their expenses, promote yourself, and maybe you'll make some money. It's great for prestige, sure, but unless you do really well it won't pay the bills (but can be rolled into other work where you do get paid better). As for the politics, I can say in comics, yes, the big publishers push it more than indies, but there are many indies who are doing it too. I'm not against metaphor or relevancy, but not the overt stuff. But over all, I feel like if the publisher wants more control, there should be more "perks" for the author. It seems a bit one-sided other than being attached to a big company (which does have it's perks--just indirect). Anyway. Sorry for the long comment. In the end, I like the control and access I have to my work (yes, you're also limited with what you can do when under contract). I just wish I could get better at the promotional end of things. It's a big part of what holds me back, I think. Cheers for the video!
I have published recently in both ways: traditional in my home country and self on Amazon global. I have investigated trad in USA and UK and there are two things that I found really repelling: 1) you are right about political agenda being put into books, even fantasy. Some agents make open statements on their page: looking for queer authors or bipoc. I’m all game for diversity of topics and thoughts but what does author personal life have to do with it? Ask for application with blank statement, don’t ask for gender and race and judge the book on its merit… 2) book is treated as a product and as an author you are immediately told to ‘tick’ boxes. I’m writing high fantasy but I was told repeatedly I need to ‘fix’ it to more ‘romantasy’ as it is trend right now. Forget it. It’s not me. However, I have to say I had zero such discussions in my home country (Poland) and published the book traditionally and the way I wanted. The process was longer though, it’s true, but I still maintain my freedom and no one asked me weird questions. I feel, sadly, US/ UK are too commercialized right now and I myself much rather prefer discovering and support indie authors to really see diversity of thoughts and more genuine writing. But yes being indie is hard. Cutting through on big platforms takes a lot of effort and time, which eg I don’t have as I’m working full time and writing on the side. But… I’m happy taking it slowly but my way 😊 thank you for the video! Always love your honest thoughts!
New follower! This video was great. I've been telling my aunt the same thing. She finally is backing me as a self published author! I should show her this video.
Have been traditionally published-won awards, had the agent, got great reviews. Then it started destroying my creativity. Now I'm indie and yes it's hard work, but it is such a joy. And having all your own intellectual property is so important. Trad published take all the rights.
I have been impressed by your videos. I especially liked this one. I am 67 years old and just self-published my first book. I agree with what you have said in this video. I know I'm coming in late because this video is two years old and I only saw it today. I identify with the difficulty in assigning a genre to a book because my book straddles several genres. The best I could come up with was Inspirational Fiction. It does have a Christian theme in it also. KDP has put it in the category of Religious Inspirational Fiction. I don't know how that happened, but it makes no difference to me. Your statement on how political anger has invaded nearly every sector of culture is so true. Lots of ordinary folks turn on people they know or just met because of loyalty to people they will never meet and who probably do not care about them at all except for how their support can further a selfish agenda.. Back to the micro issues that I can do something about. I have only marketed my book to people I know but I did sign up for Kindle Unlimited. I know that God helps people, but that people also have to do their part. I will try more marketing techniques that I see suggested. I used an excellent editor, cover designer, and formatter. They were all freelancers I found on Fiverr. Art wasn't cheap, but the work was stellar. I've also found that my book still has some typos in it. Embarrassing. I doubt that questions in comments can be addressed, but I will ask anyway. Should I fix the typos and then publish it as a second edition before I push harder on marketing? I think my book should inspire, entertain, and uplift but I need people to find it and try it. Thank you for your marvelous videos. They are inspiring and useful. Brian Douglas MacLeoid
If, as you say, you're using Amazon to print and distribute your books, you're free to submit an updated file to correction typos whenever you want. Same edition. In fact, that's another advantage to self publishing. Trad pubbed authors are stuck with the typos in their books, unless they're so overwhelmingly successful, their publishers put out second editions.
This video resonated with me, and I think that you're spot-on about the image-mongering and cultural stabbiness that comes with most traditional commercial ventures and with the world of social media. I am just starting out in self-publishing and have always loved your informative videos, but this has been my favorite. Thank you!
I'm really glad that I got rejected when I was querying because not only was that book pretty bad, I also came to realise that I'd much prefer to have full control. There was a part of me that felt embarrassed by actually considering self-publishing as an option. And there was a younger version of me who really wanted people to read my books and hadn't made peace with just writing for the sake of it. But my main hang-up, I think, was that I felt like I was being unreasonable by wanting full control. Like I was being egotistical and snobby by wanting to control my own cover and deadlines and the literal contents of my stories. But I'm really glad that I've watched this because even having already decided to self-publish, I hadn't considered that my debut book could have a longer shelf-life this way, which was a concern of mine. And I had no idea that I could have books in bookstores as an indie author, so that's uber exciting! As for the politics angle, I don't know how trad publishing is at all anymore, but I can definitely empathise with this distaste for how vitriolic people seem to have become, even without having any social media accounts myself. I assume you're much closer to being politically center or right-wing than my communist ass, but I totally understand some of you're points. I'm trans, and I've had to go stealth (not telling people or participating in pride or anything) because of the climate and the people shunning me, appropriating my struggles, literally calling me transphobic, using slurs as their "pronouns" as if that's okay, etc. And I remember when I was querying I saw agents who said things like, "I'd love to hear from trans authors," so I led with the fact that I'm trans, but looking back on it now... It makes me feel so unhuman and disrespected that I felt I had to come out. I wish I hadn't. And based on contemporary LGBT media, It's clear that they don't want books with characters who so happen to be trans with a completely unrelated or fantastical plot. And God forbid I make all of my characters bi and don't make it a focus. God forbid I let them be happy. They want to read about LGBT suffering in gruesome and uncomfortable detail, but y'know I'm not too keen on writing about that when I have to live through it on the daily. They want to pity us and only see us as archetypes and tokens, and it makes me a bit sick to think about. Anyway, my point is this is a good video
So interesting that this video came out today. I just got an email newsletter today from a trad published author talking about if traditionally publishing is worth it…in her words: “Today, many authors in my circle are seeing smaller advances, less marketing support, slower communication, and fewer publicity opportunities than ever before. . . Personally, I am finding it harder and harder to remain published. And I'm experiencing fewer joyful moments in the career than I did in the past. . . If you love writing and want to see your book on a shelf-specifically in schools, libraries, and bookstores across the country-then yes. It's still worth trying. It will always be worth trying if this is your main goal. But if you want to make a living off writing novels? If you want to have control over the final product (how the book looks) or how it's promoted (marketing/publicity efforts)? If you want a publisher to support and grow your writing career? Then no. I'm not quite sure it's worth it if these are your goals.” Just some highlights from the email. When I was younger I used to definitely want to be traditionally published, but indie publishing has changed so much that now I’m excited about going that route. Your videos have helped me make the decision that that is what I want to do. And I agree with everything you said in your video 💯. I didn’t realize that Evalene’s Number was Christian sci-fi! I’ll have to read that one soon! (I’m finishing up The Enchanted Crown right now.)
No way! That timing is kinda amazing, I love hearing that confirmation of everything I’ve been thinking, thank you for sharing! I’m so glad this video was helpful and yayyy so happy you like the stolen kingdom series! 🥰
I am with you 100% Bethany! I'm sick of the vitriol towards authors who may have opposing opinions but who write amazing books. It's virtual book burning. Thank you for being brave evnough to voice your opinion.
Excellent points - you are validating for me why self-publishing is 100% more appealing - I'm all about freedom. And I don't mind doing the work. 🤩Great video; I hadn't even thought of the political and sensitivity angle until you mentioned this and I read these comments. SO true! And worrying about the "hook" is a thing (from reading other agent videos). I *will* worry about that as a writer, but I don't need to worry about that from an agent/publishing house/limited narrow market viewpoint. Etc. Freedom is the name of the game. 💫💜😃
I love you Bethany! I want to give you the biggest hug because i so enjoy your presence here on UA-cam, and you are so right about needing to raise awareness about HOPE!!!!! it seriously needs to be a movement!!! Lol. Just like in your books. I'm so uplifted to hear you choose your own way of writing to choose your own message. You'll always attract the right readers by choosing you first! God would never align us any other way, bc we just have to choose "the way" of the light of the heart within, to become our own Christ within and win!!!!!!!! 😊
Really good points across the board. Really proud of you for bringing up that last point, its not easy but its true. I am feeling the same way mostly. Really good episode Bethany.
This just confirms to me even the more that I made the right choice. I have almost eight books that I have self-published and it's great! I love the control! But one day I would love to have some(or just one)of my books picked up traditionally. Even so at the end of the day, self-publishing is where it's at! 🙌😁
@@BethanyAtazadeh Right! Maybe we can create our own service where it's not like that! All the pros of indie publishing with the exposure of trad pub. 😁🙌
Hi, there. I'm a traditionally-published author and I want to clear up some things. 1. Control (covers). I had so much control over my covers, and this is the case for most of my traditionally-published friends. Also, money. In kid-lit, we definitely make a loooooot of money.
Hey Erica! That's so interesting to hear! I have heard a wide spectrum, so I'm guessing it probably depends on the publisher and the team you're working with? But heck to the yes, love hearing that kid-lit does well! That's awesome! :D
My experience on submission confirms everything you said. Especially the politics. There's a time and place, and I'm sick of it seeping into absolutely everything. I ended up going with a small indie publisher who offered me much higher profits and control than any imprint that's in the big 5. I also heard again and again from big 5 editors, "we love this, but we can't sell it." I have no doubt that this is because imprints are chasing trends and agendas over everything else, because of their leadership and investors. Also let's not forget that big 5 editors are often on near-minimum wage while execs pull in millions. I don't want to support that, personally.
As someone whose goal is to be a hybrid author and I have my fingers on the pulse of both trad and indie I’ll like to share a few things. Trad pub authors aren’t employees of publishers. Trad pub authors are contractors. Covers, interior design, swag, art work, marketing around debut and after, etc is going to vary between publisher and what was agreed on contract. Those variables could be a source of anxiety for some and a relief for others. Right now the trad industry is extremely burn out. It has been showing signa of burnout since the beginning of 2021. To me all the agents, editors, assistants, etc leaving is not surprising. We have seen this in other industries. Right now the air is heavy, people are frustrated and worried cause a lot has change and trad pub is notoriously slow to catch up to changes. Now for the political point, I don’t know how to go about it because you were vague about, which I imagine you were cause you really didn’t wanted to overpower your video. But here is where I think how we have curated our social medias and who we have around in the industry could influence our perception of how political things are. To me it looks like more and more people are working to make the industry more inclusive for bipoc & lgbtq+ professionals (authors, agents, editors, executive positions, etc) and I’m all for that. And I’m all for stopping the use of harmful stereotypes. If cultural, ethnicity and human decency is political then that’s my political take.
This inspired me even more, and gave me hope for my own books! Honestly, trad pub just.. yk when you see tons of books on the library shelves and they all look and feel the same? The cover, the blurb, the story itself. That's cuz they're forced to basically write *identical* things (and I feel your want for a nice cover, those in trad pub as of now just...ew.) Plus i hate how to be published you also have to include idk smut for example. No thanks😭?? Dang, definitely a no for me (if things don't change, which I'm basically hopeless for) Thank you so much again for this video, it really helped me gain hope and trust in my own abilities! Looking forward to read your books which will arrive soon hehe🖤
Thank you so much! I only discovered you yesterday, when I took to UA-cam to look for some advice. I watched maybe only three of your videos until now but with this video right here you earned my subscription
Hit the nail on the head about the books being traditionally churned out these days. “Evil” is the root of it for sure. I’ve been fretting over the traditional publishing processes and atmosphere, thinking that the content I want to put my heart into will be rejected in favor of something more… politically advantageous, shall we say. You definitely are inspiring me!
Control being #1 for you made me nod so hard I cricked my neck 😂 I want a say on my cover, my release date, my timeline of writing etc Absolutely agree with you.
Thanks Bethany! This was just the pep talk I needed. ( I'm currently waiting for a proof copy of my first self-published book to arrive from the printer. That's going to be really fun when it arrives. )
I worked as an editor before Rona, a lot of us were pink slipped. When we were offered jobs back, a LOT of us were offered half our original salaries in 2022 when they started taking people back. At that time, as well, Harper Collins and Penguin Random House tried to union bust editors. And, sadly, it isn't talked about openly because it is a small industry, but some editors and authors were unofficially blacklisted for supporting the unionization. It just isn't feasible to have a non-union position making only 40K at most to be an editorial assistant (the first level of editor in trad pub) and be required to live in New York City in which the poverty line, the base of lowest you can make and just hardly survive, is 40-45k for a single person.
No you hit the nail on the head Bethany you're exactly right entertainment and books and fantasy books and fun movie shows should not remind us of the depressing situation that the state of our country is in we read these books and watch these shows in order to escape from that garbage for just a little while and you have recognized how important it is to be able to do that in your providing that escaped thank you
Before self-publishing, I queried three traditional publishers on my book and almost immediately got accepted by all three of them! However, during our further formal conversations about what that would require, two of them said that my manuscript was too long for the genre that they wanted to place it in, and so they wanted me to split my manuscript into two different books! However, I did not want to fake my way through it and do my book their way in that particular regard. And I know publishers can print longer manuscripts! Just look at the holy Bible! And there are plenty of other modern manuscripts too that are over 800-1000 pages. And I've read a few of them! Guffaw! Lol 😂 So, Now I've spent the past few months figuring out how to self-publish and thank you Lord God and Jesus on high for you, Bethany, and other authors like you who are willing to share from their own experiences, in order to help me construe what path will be most in alignment with myself from here on out! Your videos have helped me learn a lot!
This was interesting, thank you! I am writing a book right now (still fairly early stages) and like many others dream of having it published, but I do not know much about the industry at the moment. Thanks for sharing!
in querying I saw so much promotion on hot button politics, that it's all the agent wants in their inbox. So 100% feel this topic. I wanted my book marketed, not me and my personal beliefs. And i'm so happy I turned the other way toward self-pub :) I've found people hyped about the story who partnered with me as artists, narrators, digital management (cause I suck), and having that passion is more than I could've hoped for
Thanks for the inspiration. I am just starting my writing/publishing journey, and I am going to go the self-publishing route. I agree with all the things you said in this video. Also, the book I want to write doesn't fit the traditional style or categories that traditional publishers are looking for. There is definitely a lot to learn, but I am up for the challenge, and I am excited to get my book out into the world.
I couldn’t agree more with your thoughts on traditional publishing. And it’s not just politics in books, it seems like you have to share the same politics to be successful or even be considered in the trad pub world right now, it’s disheartening. Thank you for having the courage to make this video ❤️
I'd have to agree with you on that as well, sadly. It is hard to see, but hopefully like most things, it won't last forever. I'm so glad you liked the video!
I absolutely agree 1000%. I am not willing to compromise my faith and values for anybody, especially a publisher. So. I’d rather just not get involved :)
This is exactly why I chose to go the self pub route two years ago...I had been querying in the YA market and even like, four years ago, I could see the change. The shift that went from wanting a good novel to: you're required to check off these politically motivated boxes before we'll even take a second look at your book. It wasn't something I wanted to get into, the utter toxicity if you didnt please people a certain way. I pray that self pub NEVER gets so toxic, and I have high hopes since it truly is such a diverse reader and writer pool (truly diverse, not forced "diversity" to think only one certain way). Anyways, all that to say, I totally am there with you! I just released my first book on Tuesday and I'm already extremely happy with my decision.
That's so interesting to hear! Yeah it has become toxic, that's a good word for the changes. I don't think self-pub will, because authors are able to listen to readers directly and write the stories they love and that their tribe loves, without the pressures in trad pub to please everyone. p.s. happy release, that's so exciting!
This video resonates with me so much. I have been recently drawn to self-publishing, despite the fact that my dream was always to publish traditionally. I finished my first book four or five years ago and sent query letters to eight agents before realizing my book would be hard sell. I started over with a new story I thought would be more 'acceptable', and finished it last year. I sent exactly one query letter, and then just... stopped. For some reason, my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I was having trouble coming up with a list of agents who were a good fit for both me and my book; I'd check out their twitter accounts and find them swearing about people who didn't share their political beliefs, or jumping on whatever the popular bandwagon was at the time. I started worrying that they'd expect my writing to conform to their worldviews, and that if I couldn't fill out the appropriate checklists for inclusivity and 'important topic of the day' that I'd be rejected. More than anything, the publishing landscape seems to have transformed to one that is politically motivated, instead of one that is interested in telling good stories. I could be completely wrong about this, but the passion and enthusiasm I had for traditional publishing fizzled out over night, and self-publishing--which I had always thought poorly of--began to look like an increasingly appealing option. I love the idea of being my own boss, of keeping creative control over my work, and of being the judge of whether or not there is an audience for my books. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd be any good at marketing, and I'm terrified that if I self-publish, my dreams of making a living off of my writing will die a sad, pathetic death. Even so, I'm not sure if I'll ever regain my passion for traditional publishing, and I can't shake the feeling that maybe self-publishing was meant for me. I'm not sure what I'll decide, but watching this video felt like listening to my heart!
You always give me Hope! Ughh, no matter the procrastination of self doubt i'm going to get my books out there. It's been 10years for me and for as long as Ive been talking about it people think i'm a joke (sad face) I really just want to hold a completed copy in my hands and say I finally did it.
OMG Thank you for speaking to the politics in trad publishing rn! So many of my friends won’t get a once over because of their group identity. It’s psycho.
@@ancientdreamersPREACH. I'm just doing it indie rn and when I can scale I'll give the great writers a chance. It's terrible right now. Worse than in academia with all its scandals. Hang in there, friend
Your videos were so helpful when we were trying to figure out what route we want to take. I would never look back. We didn’t pursue traditional publishing and are so happy we went the indie route. We agree with everything you said. For instance we’d never be able to get the phenomenal editors or award winning cover designer we had if we went traditional route. And the most important was to keep movie rights, trad pub takes most of the rights away. The only thing that is hard is stigma but once you prove yourself and get amazing reviews etc it gets easier.
Yes! You are so right that traditional publishing has gotten SO POLITICAL. This is why I'm finally considering indie publishing after dreaming of being trad published for my WHOLE LIFE. I'm also afraid that if I got trad published, they would want to add their political bent to my books against my will, and I'd rather have more control over the content of my books.
I agree with you about the pros of self-publishing. I don't want to give up creative control over my story, cover, and everything else. I researched traditional publishing after I was writing screenplays and entering screenplay contests, because I was also writing short stories. After I lost out on the contests, I started writing novels and never looked back. All I ever wanted to do was tell stories, no matter what platform it ended up being.
Bethany, I watched the entire video, and I have a couple of thoughts: - You made a mention or two of cover design in your video. When I designed my own cover for my first book, I was not in the right frame of mind (in fact, I was suffering from severe depression and having suicidal thoughts while writing and designing the cover for my first book, although I'm taking an antidepressant now, which has helped me greatly), and the cover I designed is a contender for the worst book cover in human history. - Regarding your remarks about politics, some of the books that I'm currently writing are political nonfiction works that I intend to self-publish, although not all of my soon-to-be-written books are political in nature. I've never liked the practice of traditional publishing houses releasing excerpts of political nonfiction books pre-release. Also, my political views are very left-of-center, and I make no attempt whatsoever to hide my political views on one of my two Twitter accounts, but I've never liked the idea of bossing creative people in regards to how they should create their works.
The world is angry. People are angry and tired of the way the world is going. It's tangible and infectious, sadly. There's a feeling that something big is about to happen and it's that anticipation that's tainting everything else. Thanks for the vid!
I've been self-publishing since 2012 and have 19 books published. It took me five years to figure things out and that's when I made some decent money for being a part-time writer. (I have a day job.) I love controlling my writing and publishing. To cut my costs, I learn to design my own covers and even narrated and released my first audiobook this year. The marketing is not my favorite and since I've not done it well, my sales/earnings have dropped off dramatically. Still, I plan to continue to self-publish.
In 2020, I self-published two books. It was a lot of work, but it was satisfying. I spent more than I made though. I'm not good at marketing. I finished a manuscript last week. I can't afford to self-publish and not make any money. It's not about the money. I do want to get my stories to people. I am going to get it edited and try the traditional route. And if it doesn't work out, all I need to do is a cover. I loved being in control of everything when I self-published. If I could market my own book it wouldn't be a problem at all. I don't consider myself an author because I went the self-publishing route. Even though I worked hard to write my stories and get them published. I just need confidence, and not listen to the voice of those who think Indie writers are second rate. On a side note: You sound like me. I like to give hope through my stories. I subscribed to your channel a while back but haven't watched your videos. But I definitely agree with you, and will be watching your videos. Also, I'm not going to query any agents that are forcefully pushing their politics or agendas. It's more now than it was years ago when I looked at different agents.
Bethany, thank you for this honest, refreshing video. I am currently self-publishing two books, one of which will be released in April, and the other later in the year. You are absolutely right about the changes in the publishing industry. About fifteen years ago, I tried to find a publisher for a detective novel. Although I could not get an agent, I received a number of lovely, personal letters from agents telling me why they chose not to represent me, giving advice, and encouraging me to keep writing. With my latest book, I also looked for an agent and the kindness I'd found fifteen years ago was totally missing. A few sent me form letters, but most had the "no reply means no" mentality. That and the recent $15 million advance given to Brittany (the Virginia Woolf of our age) Spears were enough to turn me off to the publishing world. Thank you for encouraging me in what has been a difficult transition. One question. You mentioned something about "Miss Rona" being indicative of changes in the publishing industry. I did not get the reference. Could you enlighten me?
Thank you, this was extremely useful although I had made the decision last week to self publish. It's nice to to hear from a successful author and her own personal experience. For me, the issue was time as I wasn't gonna wait for this book to be published past this year. Secondly was the loss of control and that I would have to do the marketing anyway. As to your comment about the politics, my upcoming book is similar to that of Neale Donald Walsch (Conversations with God) writes whereby our only reason for being here is to come to experience and express love in all its forms starting with self love. We live in this world of the law of opposites whereby there will always be something that is the opposite of us. But its our job to see the beauty in that contrast and use it to decide how we want to act and be in this lifetime around. Blessings. The illusion is that things that seemingly are the opposite are actually the same. Like hot and cold water. Both are considered water but we need to experience that hot weter is in order in know there is cold water. Or head and tails are two sides of the same coin. thanks again.
I have published four nonfiction books via the traditional route. Good experience, but no money unless you have a broad audience or are writing on a topic that catches lighting in a bottle. I also did not like being tied to a word count. Tried to go the traditional route when I began writing fiction and got nowhere. Query letters never returned. No agent, forget about it. I agree with your point about mixed genres being a challenge. Also agree that the traditional publishing paradigm has shifted. Doors closed tight. Self-publishing is the way to go. Just make sure you do your due diligence. So, I found a company to handle the nuts and bolts to getting my book published (website, PR, editing, cover design, copyright, ISBN, etc...). We'll see how it goes. I liked the experience and control. But, if it doesn't pay off, I will go the full-on DIY route for my next self-published book. Looks terrifying.
You are 100% spot on as far as the politics. I also think tradional published means nothing as far as quality of story or worse, writing quality. Great channel.
Thanks for this video. I just wrote a sports fiction, but a lot of stuff written is incidents I have seen first hand. I rather have creative control and make less money. I don't want the publisher to change my content, that I seen first hand.
I don't think I'd do well with trad pub either, for the reasons you mentioned, but also because I'm just so nonconformist. I want to do things my way. Like you said, "control." I have a vision for my writing, and I resist hearing how it "has" to be. Great example about the hybrid of genres.
So let me reiterate this for you Bethany lol. What I heard through to the end of your video... And that is you no longer want to be traditionally published because you are already, and could always become (just like anyone else), a magical and amazing success all on your own. Without riding on someone else's coattails!😊 You just needed to figure that out on your own, with your own process and your own reasons.😊😊😊❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Interesting video. I have just 'indie-published' my first book. Basically I learned what I should do, employed professionals for those areas I could not do myself: cover design and editing and my book is in bricks and mortar shops. I suspect self-publishing has acquired its dubious reputation for some because you do come across self-published titles where not enough care has been taken and so the end product does not look comparable to trad-published titles. In pretty much all respects writing is similar to music and nobody really questions indie-publishing of music nowadays. I see traditional publishers as acting like gatekeepers and self-styled arbiters of taste and quality when really it should be the readers that determine whether a writer is worth reading.
Traditional publishers have way too much control. Like you said, they give you a few weeks (at most) to make a splash, then they're on to the next book. After that you're on your own.
This resonated with me, and I'm sorry I didn't see it before. I write Christian romantic suspense, and while that's not unknown as a genre cross, I try to be more realistic about the challenges my characters face as Christians than I see in a lot of what's out there. I have only one book out there so far, and I can’t say I've found my tribe. But if I'd waited to be trad published, I wouldn't be even so far as I am.
Loved this! Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bethany. I'm also so tired of the politics and so I'll be sticking to self publishing too. Thanks for all the great content you put out! 💙
I don't know if you'll see this, but I have a few questions. I work FT, and in my spare time have been writing a trilogy that turned into a 5-book cycle. I've never tried to get any published because I didn't have time for both writing and publishing. But now I'm nearly done, and also close to retirement. So the questions are: Should I release the entire story (5 full-length books) at once, or one book at a time? And would traditional publishers even want a 5-book cycle? Would readers? Personally, I don't like to start a book series until it's done. (I've been burned a few times with series that never got finished.) But maybe the anticipation for each new book would hype the series??? p.s. Happily, I don't need to earn money from writing. But like any self-respecting author, I want my stuff to be read (and liked) by as many people as possible. p.p.s. Advice from anyone is welcome.
There are a lot of things to consider. The competition between trad publishers and new publishers, plus social media and indie authors all being influenced by judgment and negativity online that has made it hard for writers and publishers to take risks that are creative, different, and controversial without being ruined. So basically creativity is being killed, along with opportunities for writers and publishers who have to produce content that sells for a shrinking audience that doesn’t have the same love of literature that traditional audiences had before the competition and influence of political and social issues created a toxic atmosphere for everyone.
Thank you so much for this invigorating and honest video! I also see politics shaping so much media, including trad publishing, pop music, Hollywood. The line between art and propaganda has vanished recently in many places. I tried to query my book for months to many agents and got nowhere. I admittedly had to keep revising my query, so I understand the lack of response. Then I researched self-publishing more, I realized I could totally do it and statistically likely to make more money! Why not? The freedom to publish what you want is big for me. I have many short stories that I plan to put into collections and sell, that I know would never sell in trad publishing. It was so nice to see your books in Barnes and Noble and your award to prove to skeptics the quality and success possible through self-publishing. Well done!
Control and decision-making regarding covers are one of the reasons why I am still doubting choosing between traditional vs self-publishing, And seriously when big names like Bella Andre chose to self-publish than traditional publishing, that said a lot! And you're right, the atmosphere in the book world has become really toxic!
Such a good point! Obviously there are pros and cons to both, but I gotta say the control is awesome. :) And toxic is a very good word for what's happened in trad pub.
I just self-published my first novel for most of these very reasons. Mostly that I want to be my own boss and have full control. I’m a “registered democrat” (whatever that even means anymore), without any religious affiliations, and I couldn’t agree more about the politics. Not just with writing books, but with tv shows and movies as well. The whole entertainment industry. There’s nothing wrong with inclusivity and all that, or whatever the hyped-up hot-button topic of the week is, it’s the way it’s being executed. You can’t beat discrimination and hate with discrimination and hate. It’s so toxic and divisive, and it’s tiring to watch people get swept up in all this engineered and MONETIZED hype everyday. Anyway, just wanted to say that your videos have been very insightful and helpful, as I begin my journey as an indie writer!
I can't stand all the sensitivity reader mess. I understand where they are coming from, but then how can one or two sensitive readers decide on what is so-called inclusive or not? I don't even share the same value and the same everything with my friends that look like me, of the same race, and we've been schoolmates and friends for more than ten years. Unless trad pub thinks all people should think one way and feel offended by the same thing base on their physical attributes, sensitivity reader is a dumb idea. I can never do that. I'm not offended by anything. lol. Brave for you to voice your opinion, people these days can get... riled up easily.
Interesting point! Yeah one sensitivity reader could easily disagree with another, since belonging to any particular people group doesn't automatically mean we all become a "hive mind" with that group haha... so I can definitely see what you're saying. I feel like the sensitivity line has almost moved and ... yeah. I don't really have the words for it lol, but people get offended WAY too easily these days and I don't have time for that lol
You 100% have a finger on the pulse of the publishing industry, and your take on the political nature of traditional publishing is spot on. I'm an independent author, and I write what I hope to be just fun stories. Politics are not shoe-horned in, and I believe that based on the shallow responses I've received from literary agents as well as the types of books I'm seeing on the store shelves that there's this false idea that pushing a political narrative is somehow important. I used to look at self-publishing (which is the only thing I've ever done) as settling or not being "good enough" to get a book deal. Now I realize that I'm just not putting up arbitrary barriers between my writing and potential readers.
People can get pissed off with your political mention as a reason to not go trad pub but you are absolutely spot on. Trad Pub has gone way over the edge of the cliff with gatekeeping and political virtue signaling that it is a major turn off. Fantasy and Sci Fi in particular have had a mega-blowup over the past 10 years and it has really fractured the genre. I’m currently looking to self-pub my first book, having been turned off by the trad pub community. I mean, it got downright nasty - to the point where even major editors were slamming authors of differing political views. How can you ever expect to be treated fairly based on the work going forward? Currently there is one trad pub house I would consider and happily work with if they ever wanted to do so, but I have no faith in 99% of the houses anymore. I spent a good bit of time going over the pros and cons with my Mrs and pretty much every other one of your points were exactly what pushed the pivot point for me (us) to forego trad pub and go rogue, as it were. I want that personal control over my own vision and to know I don’t ever have to cater my style to try to fit the political whims of someone in NY. And no, my work is not politically based. But I literally know a writer who had his contract cancelled by a trad pub house because he refused to change one word in his manuscript. One word. Well, no thanks. I’m not interested in that level of usurpation of my creativity. So hopefully we’ll see Book 1 of my fantasy series out here in the next couple months! Nice vid, Bethany.
I would argue that traditional publishing has always been into gate keeping. The fact that most big name publishers will not talk to you at all without a literary agent is evidence enough of this. In truth they're just unnecessary middle men meant to weed out people that they don't want in their club.
I love this video! I am a “woman of a certain age” and I just don’t want to take the time to deal with publishing houses. Because I’m older, I am pickier and want to be in control of every aspect of my own publishing. I’m not even looking at the money structure so much, as I want to be satisfied with the product I release and put my name on. If it doesn’t do well then it’s on me. If it does extraordinarily, then that’s on me, too. I have been discouraged from doing this, but because I tend to have OCD tendencies (not OCD, but I have my moments) I want to be 100% satisfied with the product. Thanks, Bethany! I love your channel!
That's totally fair! I can absolutely understand that mindset, and I hope you will be encouraged by my videos that you can absolutely rock self-publishing! :) Thank you so much!
So, I got paid 80k for my first (two)-book deal, 40k for each book. And that's on the low end of what my author friends (also) make, because I was non-fiction. Most of my friends have pulled 6-figure deals. I'm curious; where are you getting these numbers?
That's awesome! I know of two trad pub authors personally who were paid on the very low end, but also have watched a few trad pub authortubers talk about this range, and finally, I also read through a spreadsheet (probably a year or so ago now) that was going around on Twitter where authors anonymously shared their book deal figures. There were definitely some like yours, but a lot of other genres were much, much lower. I think you're in a fantastic circle of successful authors, but just like me, we don't know all the authors in our space and I think there's a broad range.
oh! p.s. I can't find your other comment, but as I was answering comments I've already seen two other trad pub authors say they absolutely hated their cover but had no say in it sadly. I'd only heard that behind closed doors prior to this, but I've heard it other places too.
Almost everyone I know (debut authors, at that) had lots of say-so in their covers. Even got asked to provide Pinterest boards, aesthetics, and a list of artists they wouldn't mind using. This wasn't the case years ago, but I know most of my friends get lots of say-so on their covers. This is what stuck out most to me in the video, so I wanted to clear it up. Having no control might be the minority but def not the standard. There are levels to it. Say, the publisher might already provide the artist but the artists will take almost all of your concerns and revision into the next round of the cover draft of the work. Even regarding font. I gave a list of five book covers I like, and they redid the title font to echo those fonts (as opposed to the ugly font they first picked out). I didn't like the color scheme they picked and told them I wanted a muted scheme, and that wish was granted as well.
@@ericamartin398 I think that depends on what publishing houses they are at and how laid back the publishing houses are regarding new debut authors! but usually 95% of the time, the publishing houses take absolute control over an author's books including decisions regarding the covers, if every author out there has the capacity to choose or make decisions regarding their covers then some of the books being released wouldn't have ugly covers, just because you and your friends got lucky in being allowed to make decisions regarding your covers by your publishing houses that doesn't mean that everyone else out there is allowed to do the same!
@@ericamartin398 Interesting... I think it'd be hard for either of us to know for sure what the standard is, since we each have our own author circle that's relatively small in comparison to how many authors exist in the world. But I have heard from six trad pub authors about their covers, and while most of them still liked the cover they received, only one of them had much say in it. If you browse the comments from trad pub authors on this video alone, I've already seen three other authors tell me they absolutely hate their trad pub covers. (And also confirmed the low income in their genre.) So just something to consider, but again, I can't say that I'll ever know for sure one way or the other, and most likely it all just depends on the people you work with.
I really agree with your last point about the politics and nasty behavior in traditional publishing right now. I'm an aspiring writer/author, as well as a Christian, and I find the prospect of being part of traditional publishing terrifying. I don't think I would be welcome. And I don't even talk about political or social issues in my writing, so I think that's saying a lot.
That is me as well, Bethany. I want to write my fantasy books and read fantasy to escape reality. I also want control of my work, even if it means I have to do more work. Thank you for posting this video! (PS: My heart shatters when I read comments on social media from writers who feel they are not good if not trad published.)
I genuinely agree with you Seeing more politics with trad publishing books and just books in general. It's the mob mentality too like if this book doesn't have x yz in it then we should hate it and the crowd hates it because they're told to. I was also trad published and paid a ton of money to leave and prefer self publishing because of control so I agree with you 100 percent. The only reason I'd consider trad publishing again is because their marketing reach potentially could reach more than I can as a self published author without much money to put into it. But I feel you and everything you're saying. Also i felt that about the combo of genres. I did a christian vampire 9 book series and guess what? Vampire fans hate the christian content and the christians hate the vampire content and i feel like thats my struggle now is to find an audience in general cuz my books are usually christian fantasy with grit. Like a christian version of game of thrones and also like lord of the rings.
I would love to ask you more about how you handled the book signing projects in Barnes& Noble and other such book sales opportunities in person. And also how you particularly go about getting books on their shelves. I have personally been into speak with a manager before at Barnes& Noble about their publishing process and how they choose books for those things. So I have a little rapport with them already on that account, and know that from their base feedback there's some sort of regional person who will order the books for different store locations and make those decisions based on numbers of followers you already have, and whether or not it's already sold another platforms, and like you said, there's other stipulations like the returnable books that go along with it. But I was just wondering if there's any other feedback that you personally have about being in that particular position with your books being on physical store shelves and being at physical live events, versus the online and digital side of the realm? I also have not yet asked a person there how they go about distributing more nationally onto their shelves, or if that's just something that happens naturally as you gain favor at certain locations? Or in certain regions where they feel like you'll be a good match for their locale and the types of books that are already present at each individual bookstore. I'm sure there's a lot of decision making that goes into those things.
I've been querying for a year and am increasingly coming to the conclusion that traditional publishing is too hostile for me. I've always had the fear that if i self-publish it will be because my book isn't good enough. I still struggle with the idea. Thank you for this video.
This is a great video. I'd love to know plain and simple, do you think the traditional platform would have given you more: - shelf exposure - exclusive location exposure - regional or global reach - revenue ? Would be great. I know self publishing yields more or higher fees, but if you end up getting low exposure.... it's a flop.
In responding to some comments, a few of you have made a really good point that it's not even the politics themselves, because we've technically always had politics... what I think really bothers me when I get to the heart of it is the WAY people are treating each other as they discuss these things. That's what has really taken a nasty turn. (I'm looking at you TWITTER!! Lol... but seriously...) Also just to clarify, I still think trad pub has a TON of amazing aspects and fully support it, this is just my personal reasons why I prefer self-publishing haha!
Hey Bethany; I'm a relatively long-term viewer and I just want to say thank you for all the video's you make, they are entertaining and educational and I appreciate it.
I dig what you say about genre-mixing. People literally get angry at me, the author, for not limiting my book to one specific, easily-defined genre AND what my characters do and say.
Where, how, do you find beta readers? Thx
@@steviep6955 I have a whole playlist about beta readers with five videos - go check it out!
@@BethanyAtazadeh I did… am… will!
This was inspiring. I can't afford the luxury of traditional publishing because writing is my full-time job. If I had to wait for that big break, I would starve. I did query years ago when I had a regular job and that broke my spirit. I took control of my career, and while it's not yet where I want it to be, I'm living my dream.
Love that you’re living your dream! That’s the goal! 🙌🏻☺️
I have been writing for years. In 2021 I sat down and wrote four books. That was my entire goal for the year. To write a series and feel like I had lived my dream. At the start of this year I started to query. It was a nightmare. It was a rejection after a rejection. I even took a course on querying before I started. I worked so hard on the query. After several months of rejections with no real feedback that was helpful. (Just "The book seems so good! I am just not looking for this kind of story right now." or "Not for me! Keep sending it out!") I decided to take your course and look more into self-publishing. My fiancé was worried that self-publishing would cost us a lot of start up money we would never get back. That since I am less "business" minded that we would fail. And yet he believes in my work itself. In taking your course I've come to realize that I am smart, I can learn the business side of things and I really want the freedom to self-publish. I feel like that is the path for me. It would be easy to say "Well, sure traditional publishing rejected you." But, it is not that. It is that I believe in my writing, I have others in my life who have actually read my work and feel the same thing. I believe that I can support my book and make it marketable best myself. I was always leaning toward self-publishing. I was just afraid of it. Now, I am working toward my first published book! Woo!
This is the coolest comment I've read on this video yet! So encouraged to hear that I've been able to help and heck yes you can absolutely publish your books and do an amazing job of it without spending crazy money! I'm excited to hear what you think of my video coming out next week with some author money tips that might also give you confidence about that, but in the meantime, keep rocking it!
Wow! I'm rooting for you!
Yay so inspiring! I’m self-publishing my first book on March 29th and I am so so excited. That being said, your comment made me smile! I wish you all of the best in your book. I know you can do it :)
That is very unfortunate, but absolutely wonderful! That now you’re turning it around and going to self publish! Best regards!✨🎉
It **is** all about believing in your own writing! Anything else is just extra. The early readers of my first draft loved my book! That was when I decided not to waste my time trying to query trad because I had already been reading horror stories here (on UA-cam) about good books that were rejected because “it’s just NOT what we’re looking for,” etc. I truly believe in the quality of my writing and the message of my book, and I am happy to say that this channel, and about four others, have been key in getting me to where I am 100% satisfied with the end product. Not only that, but the idea of doing a series hadn’t even occurred to me before I started learning here at UA-cam University. And now, I have four books in skeleton format, and hope to have two of them written and published by the end of the year. My newest and first I hope to have published by the end of April/early May. And that’s another thing about self publishing. “Deadlines” are just a concept! 😉
I also don't like reading books that are saturated with modern politics and social issues, as you said I just want to escape into a world that isn't the one I'm currently living in. I do enjoy reading books like Harry potter and Hunger games. While they do have politics in their stories it is not the main underlying themes and narrative.
Politics isn't the main underlying theme in the hunger games???
@@danebirbhaha7520 I didn't grasp onto the underlying theme of the Hunger Games when I was younger. Before I even knew what politics was and I'm sure it was the same for a lot of the readers. I'm 22 how and just recently found out that was the case
But now our world is so politically focused it's almost impossible not to notice, we're a lot more politically focused than before with all of social media and whatnot.
Thank you for making this video! I started writing at 14, but stopped at about 23 because I was discouraged after being rejected from a traditional publisher (I'm now 27). I never felt like my book series fit into any genre and hated answering the marketing question of where my book fit within the market. I know to be successful I would need to market, but I honestly just want to write books and not stress so much about sales. My goal anymore is not to create a livelihood from being an author, but just to enjoy the craft of writing again and to hold my book in my hands. If I make any money that's just a bonus. I also want control over my book too since I came up with it and WROTE the damn thing haha I dislike that trad publishers have all the control and I get it, they're investing their money, but if I'm not worried about making money, I think I'm going to really enjoy self publishing. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!
After completing my first novel, I looked at traditional publishing and felt that it was heavily influenced with politics (mainly identity). Like you, I see writing and the arts in general as providing an escape from the day to day trials of modern living - rather than just another platform for activism. It's made me question the value of the industry, although I'm sure there are still some great people at agencies and publishers.
I have been traditionally published for the past 15 years. Let me correct your information about advances. I wish advances were $10,000. They used to be. Now you’re lucky if you get a $3000-$5000 advance. A lot of publishers have moved to the royalty model where are you only receive payment after the book is published and starts making some money. So all the time and effort you put into your original manuscript, the revisions, reviewing line and copy edits… all those months of work yield zero dollars. Sometimes your book will sell well and you’ll make some decent money on the backend, but many times it doesn’t. So you’ve written your book for free and the publisher is reaping the reward. Too many of the big publishing houses have moved to this model when offering new or mid-list authors contracts, and it’s the norm now at the smaller houses. That’s terrifying for a traditionally published author who relies on that income to support their household. Trad pub marketing is next to nothing these days. We used to be very heavily marketed, now we barely get a mention. Where our books used to be in stores for months, a 30 day shelf life is more common, and that’s if our books are put out anywhere remotely near their release date (Walmart I’m looking at you). Then any royalties you may have earned during first quarter may be countered with a negative balance on your account because books were returned. A store may order 100 copies, put them out three or four weeks late, where at that point your readers have already purchased them off of Amazon, and then only sell a handful of copies before returning the rest to the publisher. That comes out of your royalty statement. And let’s not forget the agents, who take a chunk of everything and then drop you if you’re not producing nonstop. I once had an agent drop me because I wasn’t able to work for a few months due to an injury. That infuriated me. I had to query all over again.
I hundred percent agree with you about a lot of trad pub books becoming too political. Not only have I’ve been asked to feather in a lot of things I felt didn’t belong in my story, I just finished reading a multi-book cozy mystery series that was so over the top political my head was spinning.
Just my two cents.
I love how you mention the Christian elements. That's inspiring you base your story off of the Christian Scriptures. I greatly respect your convictions.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video! I find it so interesting that people I know who openly say they don’t read have an opinion about me taking the self publishing path. For me self publishing is somewhere I don’t have to change myself to fit it.
I totally agree! That's a great way to look at it too!
Thank you. Changing one's self to fit in is just....ugh. I feel I am leaning more toward self-publishing because I don't like being bound by unnecessary rules etc.
You are SO right about the genre problem. If you don't conform with agents' idea of "genre" you're done. They have their set little rules and no book can exist outside them. Simply not done!
Bethany, everything you said was spot on. I've been traditionally pubbed since 1990, but took a long break starting about eight years ago. I retired from teaching and went back to writing full time and was shocked at how tough it's become to even get an agent to answer a query. Deals are harder than ever to come by, the business is tougher than ever. Politics, as you said, is a powerful negative force in publishing. I had indie-pubbed my backlist years ago but it was languishing. I decided to bring my new book out indie and to devote a serious effort--in terms of money and time and energy--and it's worked out better than I could have hoped. Have sold more books, and am about to make more money than I ever have.
My only issue is that I'm an old guy and came of age when "self-publishing" had a real stigma to it (remember Vantage Press?). Self-pubbing today is not anything like self-pubbing in the 60s and 70s. Self-pubbing (or as I prefer it "Indie Pubbing") is a POWERFUL force in publishing today.
It is literally the wave of the future... And you're a great inspiration!
I was on the traditional pub route for so long, even had an agent and now I've been on the indie route, releasing my debut YA this summer. I love it so much! This whole process has been a lot of work, but I've enjoyed every step.
I agree with you about the politics. It seems very toxic right now.
I also think, as a black woman, writing characters of color, trad pub will choose a few BIPOC authors to highlight and say, "see we have diversity." And then they say the market is saturated, but it's not.
I can't stand being on Twitter because its so toxic. I think there is room for all of us but trad pub makes me feel very much that if we, as an author, or our books don't fit into this one category then we won't sell. It's a weird duality of wanting us to be niche and broad at the same time.
Great video. This is what I have been feeling as well!
I really love how you phrased that, I think that's a really eloquent way of describing the heart of the issues!
I totally agree with you. I'm an 18 yr old avid reader and aspiring author. When I was younger, Barnes and Noble was paradise. Now when I walk in, there's virtually nothing to choose from. Everything is political, meaning the books focus less on the story they want to tell and more on the viewpoint they want to shove in your face every time you turn the page. I have nothing against a good moral, but there's a difference between a theme and propaganda. My sister and I are looking to self-publish because we purposefully left our book clean and (frankly) less woke, among other reasons. I personally don't want to sacrifice our story for PC-ness (lol). Great video!
I love this! Self-publishing my first book soon. Now I have to watch ALL of your videos.
I thought the same! She is so inspiring!
I was being pursued by a trad pun. They were excited about my book but the agent wanted me to build up my audience which I was working on anyway. My mentor said why would you build everything and then make less . Trad pub is requiring authors to do the same amount of work that indie authors do with less control over the project. They use to say that if you aren't trad pub then you are not successful. That is no longer the case a number of authors do well in indie pub. Many even 6figures or work full-time as authors.
I am a trad pubbed YA author who is now looking to go indie for all of the reasons you just mentioned. I definitely fall on the liberal end of the political spectrum, as I am a lesbian married to my wife for over 20 years now. But I, too, am completely turned off by the book-Twitter vitriol. I’ve all but abandoned social media entirely over it, and Twitter used to be my happy place. But it’s not just that for me. It’s also that publishers don’t develop authors like they used to. It’s either you’re a bestseller out of the gate, or you’re cut loose. And with the editor/publicity turnover at publishing houses, relationships just aren’t what they used to be. As you said, there’s nothing wrong with going trad if you can get a deal. But it’s also okay to realize when trad is not for you, and in my case, having been through it with a Big 5 (or is it 4 now?) publisher, I can safely say that, at least as it stands now, trad pub is not for me.
We see politics in books, and movies. As they try to push agendas. It bothers me. I just want a good story! That's all.
I want to self publish because of this as well. I don't want to be told what to write. That I should put a certain agenda in my book. I want to write what I am passionate about. What I love
Not what the world wants.
So, I'm both traditionally and self published. Most traditionally stuff was small press, both writing and art. And though I love prose (a few stories published and a novella), most of my work has been in comics. But I too find myself more and more going the self-published route (or through my publishing co: Dark Fire Press).
I had one bad experience with a traditional publisher where I was never paid for my work, with no marketing done either. And that seems to be the trend: work, cover their expenses, promote yourself, and maybe you'll make some money. It's great for prestige, sure, but unless you do really well it won't pay the bills (but can be rolled into other work where you do get paid better).
As for the politics, I can say in comics, yes, the big publishers push it more than indies, but there are many indies who are doing it too. I'm not against metaphor or relevancy, but not the overt stuff.
But over all, I feel like if the publisher wants more control, there should be more "perks" for the author. It seems a bit one-sided other than being attached to a big company (which does have it's perks--just indirect).
Anyway. Sorry for the long comment. In the end, I like the control and access I have to my work (yes, you're also limited with what you can do when under contract). I just wish I could get better at the promotional end of things. It's a big part of what holds me back, I think.
Cheers for the video!
I have published recently in both ways: traditional in my home country and self on Amazon global. I have investigated trad in USA and UK and there are two things that I found really repelling: 1) you are right about political agenda being put into books, even fantasy. Some agents make open statements on their page: looking for queer authors or bipoc. I’m all game for diversity of topics and thoughts but what does author personal life have to do with it? Ask for application with blank statement, don’t ask for gender and race and judge the book on its merit… 2) book is treated as a product and as an author you are immediately told to ‘tick’ boxes. I’m writing high fantasy but I was told repeatedly I need to ‘fix’ it to more ‘romantasy’ as it is trend right now. Forget it. It’s not me. However, I have to say I had zero such discussions in my home country (Poland) and published the book traditionally and the way I wanted. The process was longer though, it’s true, but I still maintain my freedom and no one asked me weird questions. I feel, sadly, US/ UK are too commercialized right now and I myself much rather prefer discovering and support indie authors to really see diversity of thoughts and more genuine writing. But yes being indie is hard. Cutting through on big platforms takes a lot of effort and time, which eg I don’t have as I’m working full time and writing on the side. But… I’m happy taking it slowly but my way 😊 thank you for the video! Always love your honest thoughts!
New follower! This video was great. I've been telling my aunt the same thing. She finally is backing me as a self published author! I should show her this video.
Have been traditionally published-won awards, had the agent, got great reviews. Then it started destroying my creativity. Now I'm indie and yes it's hard work, but it is such a joy. And having all your own intellectual property is so important. Trad published take all the rights.
I have been impressed by your videos. I especially liked this one. I am 67 years old and just self-published my first book. I agree with what you have said in this video. I know I'm coming in late because this video is two years old and I only saw it today. I identify with the difficulty in assigning a genre to a book because my book straddles several genres. The best I could come up with was Inspirational Fiction. It does have a Christian theme in it also. KDP has put it in the category of Religious Inspirational Fiction. I don't know how that happened, but it makes no difference to me.
Your statement on how political anger has invaded nearly every sector of culture is so true. Lots of ordinary folks turn on people they know or just met because of loyalty to people they will never meet and who probably do not care about them at all except for how their support can further a selfish agenda..
Back to the micro issues that I can do something about. I have only marketed my book to people I know but I did sign up for Kindle Unlimited. I know that God helps people, but that people also have to do their part. I will try more marketing techniques that I see suggested. I used an excellent editor, cover designer, and formatter. They were all freelancers I found on Fiverr. Art wasn't cheap, but the work was stellar. I've also found that my book still has some typos in it. Embarrassing. I doubt that questions in comments can be addressed, but I will ask anyway. Should I fix the typos and then publish it as a second edition before I push harder on marketing? I think my book should inspire, entertain, and uplift but I need people to find it and try it.
Thank you for your marvelous videos. They are inspiring and useful.
Brian Douglas MacLeoid
If, as you say, you're using Amazon to print and distribute your books, you're free to submit an updated file to correction typos whenever you want. Same edition.
In fact, that's another advantage to self publishing. Trad pubbed authors are stuck with the typos in their books, unless they're so overwhelmingly successful, their publishers put out second editions.
This video resonated with me, and I think that you're spot-on about the image-mongering and cultural stabbiness that comes with most traditional commercial ventures and with the world of social media. I am just starting out in self-publishing and have always loved your informative videos, but this has been my favorite. Thank you!
I'm really glad that I got rejected when I was querying because not only was that book pretty bad, I also came to realise that I'd much prefer to have full control. There was a part of me that felt embarrassed by actually considering self-publishing as an option. And there was a younger version of me who really wanted people to read my books and hadn't made peace with just writing for the sake of it. But my main hang-up, I think, was that I felt like I was being unreasonable by wanting full control. Like I was being egotistical and snobby by wanting to control my own cover and deadlines and the literal contents of my stories. But I'm really glad that I've watched this because even having already decided to self-publish, I hadn't considered that my debut book could have a longer shelf-life this way, which was a concern of mine. And I had no idea that I could have books in bookstores as an indie author, so that's uber exciting!
As for the politics angle, I don't know how trad publishing is at all anymore, but I can definitely empathise with this distaste for how vitriolic people seem to have become, even without having any social media accounts myself. I assume you're much closer to being politically center or right-wing than my communist ass, but I totally understand some of you're points. I'm trans, and I've had to go stealth (not telling people or participating in pride or anything) because of the climate and the people shunning me, appropriating my struggles, literally calling me transphobic, using slurs as their "pronouns" as if that's okay, etc. And I remember when I was querying I saw agents who said things like, "I'd love to hear from trans authors," so I led with the fact that I'm trans, but looking back on it now... It makes me feel so unhuman and disrespected that I felt I had to come out. I wish I hadn't. And based on contemporary LGBT media, It's clear that they don't want books with characters who so happen to be trans with a completely unrelated or fantastical plot. And God forbid I make all of my characters bi and don't make it a focus. God forbid I let them be happy. They want to read about LGBT suffering in gruesome and uncomfortable detail, but y'know I'm not too keen on writing about that when I have to live through it on the daily. They want to pity us and only see us as archetypes and tokens, and it makes me a bit sick to think about.
Anyway, my point is this is a good video
So interesting that this video came out today. I just got an email newsletter today from a trad published author talking about if traditionally publishing is worth it…in her words:
“Today, many authors in my circle are seeing smaller advances, less marketing support, slower communication, and fewer publicity opportunities than ever before. . . Personally, I am finding it harder and harder to remain published. And I'm experiencing fewer joyful moments in the career than I did in the past. . . If you love writing and want to see your book on a shelf-specifically in schools, libraries, and bookstores across the country-then yes. It's still worth trying. It will always be worth trying if this is your main goal.
But if you want to make a living off writing novels? If you want to have control over the final product (how the book looks) or how it's promoted (marketing/publicity efforts)? If you want a publisher to support and grow your writing career? Then no. I'm not quite sure it's worth it if these are your goals.”
Just some highlights from the email. When I was younger I used to definitely want to be traditionally published, but indie publishing has changed so much that now I’m excited about going that route. Your videos have helped me make the decision that that is what I want to do. And I agree with everything you said in your video 💯. I didn’t realize that Evalene’s Number was Christian sci-fi! I’ll have to read that one soon! (I’m finishing up The Enchanted Crown right now.)
No way! That timing is kinda amazing, I love hearing that confirmation of everything I’ve been thinking, thank you for sharing! I’m so glad this video was helpful and yayyy so happy you like the stolen kingdom series! 🥰
I am with you 100% Bethany! I'm sick of the vitriol towards authors who may have opposing opinions but who write amazing books. It's virtual book burning. Thank you for being brave evnough to voice your opinion.
Excellent points - you are validating for me why self-publishing is 100% more appealing - I'm all about freedom. And I don't mind doing the work. 🤩Great video; I hadn't even thought of the political and sensitivity angle until you mentioned this and I read these comments. SO true! And worrying about the "hook" is a thing (from reading other agent videos). I *will* worry about that as a writer, but I don't need to worry about that from an agent/publishing house/limited narrow market viewpoint. Etc. Freedom is the name of the game. 💫💜😃
I love you Bethany! I want to give you the biggest hug because i so enjoy your presence here on UA-cam, and you are so right about needing to raise awareness about HOPE!!!!! it seriously needs to be a movement!!! Lol. Just like in your books. I'm so uplifted to hear you choose your own way of writing to choose your own message. You'll always attract the right readers by choosing you first! God would never align us any other way, bc we just have to choose "the way" of the light of the heart within, to become our own Christ within and win!!!!!!!! 😊
Really good points across the board. Really proud of you for bringing up that last point, its not easy but its true. I am feeling the same way mostly. Really good episode Bethany.
This just confirms to me even the more that I made the right choice. I have almost eight books that I have self-published and it's great! I love the control! But one day I would love to have some(or just one)of my books picked up traditionally. Even so at the end of the day, self-publishing is where it's at! 🙌😁
I’m so glad it was encouraging! And yeah trad pub has a lot of great elements, I’m not permanently against it if the landscape ever changed haha!
@@BethanyAtazadeh Right! Maybe we can create our own service where it's not like that! All the pros of indie publishing with the exposure of trad pub. 😁🙌
Hi, there. I'm a traditionally-published author and I want to clear up some things. 1. Control (covers). I had so much control over my covers, and this is the case for most of my traditionally-published friends. Also, money. In kid-lit, we definitely make a loooooot of money.
Hey Erica! That's so interesting to hear! I have heard a wide spectrum, so I'm guessing it probably depends on the publisher and the team you're working with? But heck to the yes, love hearing that kid-lit does well! That's awesome! :D
I feel like kid-lit (and even YA) is whole different ballgame than books written for an adult audience.
My experience on submission confirms everything you said. Especially the politics. There's a time and place, and I'm sick of it seeping into absolutely everything. I ended up going with a small indie publisher who offered me much higher profits and control than any imprint that's in the big 5. I also heard again and again from big 5 editors, "we love this, but we can't sell it." I have no doubt that this is because imprints are chasing trends and agendas over everything else, because of their leadership and investors. Also let's not forget that big 5 editors are often on near-minimum wage while execs pull in millions. I don't want to support that, personally.
As someone whose goal is to be a hybrid author and I have my fingers on the pulse of both trad and indie I’ll like to share a few things.
Trad pub authors aren’t employees of publishers. Trad pub authors are contractors. Covers, interior design, swag, art work, marketing around debut and after, etc is going to vary between publisher and what was agreed on contract. Those variables could be a source of anxiety for some and a relief for others.
Right now the trad industry is extremely burn out. It has been showing signa of burnout since the beginning of 2021. To me all the agents, editors, assistants, etc leaving is not surprising. We have seen this in other industries. Right now the air is heavy, people are frustrated and worried cause a lot has change and trad pub is notoriously slow to catch up to changes.
Now for the political point, I don’t know how to go about it because you were vague about, which I imagine you were cause you really didn’t wanted to overpower your video. But here is where I think how we have curated our social medias and who we have around in the industry could influence our perception of how political things are. To me it looks like more and more people are working to make the industry more inclusive for bipoc & lgbtq+ professionals (authors, agents, editors, executive positions, etc) and I’m all for that. And I’m all for stopping the use of harmful stereotypes. If cultural, ethnicity and human decency is political then that’s my political take.
I just started querying, and you are 100% right about trad pub being obsessed with politics, especially divisive identity politics.
This inspired me even more, and gave me hope for my own books!
Honestly, trad pub just.. yk when you see tons of books on the library shelves and they all look and feel the same? The cover, the blurb, the story itself. That's cuz they're forced to basically write *identical* things (and I feel your want for a nice cover, those in trad pub as of now just...ew.)
Plus i hate how to be published you also have to include idk smut for example. No thanks😭??
Dang, definitely a no for me (if things don't change, which I'm basically hopeless for)
Thank you so much again for this video, it really helped me gain hope and trust in my own abilities! Looking forward to read your books which will arrive soon hehe🖤
Thank you so much!
I only discovered you yesterday, when I took to UA-cam to look for some advice. I watched maybe only three of your videos until now but with this video right here you earned my subscription
Hit the nail on the head about the books being traditionally churned out these days. “Evil” is the root of it for sure. I’ve been fretting over the traditional publishing processes and atmosphere, thinking that the content I want to put my heart into will be rejected in favor of something more… politically advantageous, shall we say. You definitely are inspiring me!
Control being #1 for you made me nod so hard I cricked my neck 😂 I want a say on my cover, my release date, my timeline of writing etc Absolutely agree with you.
Thanks Bethany! This was just the pep talk I needed. ( I'm currently waiting for a proof copy of my first self-published book to arrive from the printer. That's going to be really fun when it arrives. )
I worked as an editor before Rona, a lot of us were pink slipped. When we were offered jobs back, a LOT of us were offered half our original salaries in 2022 when they started taking people back. At that time, as well, Harper Collins and Penguin Random House tried to union bust editors. And, sadly, it isn't talked about openly because it is a small industry, but some editors and authors were unofficially blacklisted for supporting the unionization. It just isn't feasible to have a non-union position making only 40K at most to be an editorial assistant (the first level of editor in trad pub) and be required to live in New York City in which the poverty line, the base of lowest you can make and just hardly survive, is 40-45k for a single person.
You were ahead of the curve!
No you hit the nail on the head Bethany you're exactly right entertainment and books and fantasy books and fun movie shows should not remind us of the depressing situation that the state of our country is in we read these books and watch these shows in order to escape from that garbage for just a little while and you have recognized how important it is to be able to do that in your providing that escaped thank you
Before self-publishing, I queried three traditional publishers on my book and almost immediately got accepted by all three of them! However, during our further formal conversations about what that would require, two of them said that my manuscript was too long for the genre that they wanted to place it in, and so they wanted me to split my manuscript into two different books! However, I did not want to fake my way through it and do my book their way in that particular regard. And I know publishers can print longer manuscripts! Just look at the holy Bible! And there are plenty of other modern manuscripts too that are over 800-1000 pages. And I've read a few of them! Guffaw! Lol 😂
So, Now I've spent the past few months figuring out how to self-publish and thank you Lord God and Jesus on high for you, Bethany, and other authors like you who are willing to share from their own experiences, in order to help me construe what path will be most in alignment with myself from here on out! Your videos have helped me learn a lot!
Thank you so much - this has been truly inspiring. My writing also is mixed genre for one thing; fantasy/ supernatural/ spiritual.
This was interesting, thank you! I am writing a book right now (still fairly early stages) and like many others dream of having it published, but I do not know much about the industry at the moment.
Thanks for sharing!
in querying I saw so much promotion on hot button politics, that it's all the agent wants in their inbox. So 100% feel this topic. I wanted my book marketed, not me and my personal beliefs. And i'm so happy I turned the other way toward self-pub :) I've found people hyped about the story who partnered with me as artists, narrators, digital management (cause I suck), and having that passion is more than I could've hoped for
One big thing about self-publishing is that you know you’re working for someone (yourself) who believes in you/is willing to take a chance on you.
Ooooh I love that! So true!
Thanks for the inspiration. I am just starting my writing/publishing journey, and I am going to go the self-publishing route. I agree with all the things you said in this video. Also, the book I want to write doesn't fit the traditional style or categories that traditional publishers are looking for. There is definitely a lot to learn, but I am up for the challenge, and I am excited to get my book out into the world.
Thank you for sharing your views. Your videos are so helpful.
You are so welcome!
I couldn’t agree more with your thoughts on traditional publishing. And it’s not just politics in books, it seems like you have to share the same politics to be successful or even be considered in the trad pub world right now, it’s disheartening.
Thank you for having the courage to make this video ❤️
I'd have to agree with you on that as well, sadly. It is hard to see, but hopefully like most things, it won't last forever. I'm so glad you liked the video!
I absolutely agree 1000%. I am not willing to compromise my faith and values for anybody, especially a publisher. So. I’d rather just not get involved :)
I completely relate to that!
This is exactly why I chose to go the self pub route two years ago...I had been querying in the YA market and even like, four years ago, I could see the change. The shift that went from wanting a good novel to: you're required to check off these politically motivated boxes before we'll even take a second look at your book. It wasn't something I wanted to get into, the utter toxicity if you didnt please people a certain way. I pray that self pub NEVER gets so toxic, and I have high hopes since it truly is such a diverse reader and writer pool (truly diverse, not forced "diversity" to think only one certain way).
Anyways, all that to say, I totally am there with you! I just released my first book on Tuesday and I'm already extremely happy with my decision.
That's so interesting to hear! Yeah it has become toxic, that's a good word for the changes. I don't think self-pub will, because authors are able to listen to readers directly and write the stories they love and that their tribe loves, without the pressures in trad pub to please everyone. p.s. happy release, that's so exciting!
This video resonates with me so much. I have been recently drawn to self-publishing, despite the fact that my dream was always to publish traditionally. I finished my first book four or five years ago and sent query letters to eight agents before realizing my book would be hard sell. I started over with a new story I thought would be more 'acceptable', and finished it last year. I sent exactly one query letter, and then just... stopped.
For some reason, my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I was having trouble coming up with a list of agents who were a good fit for both me and my book; I'd check out their twitter accounts and find them swearing about people who didn't share their political beliefs, or jumping on whatever the popular bandwagon was at the time. I started worrying that they'd expect my writing to conform to their worldviews, and that if I couldn't fill out the appropriate checklists for inclusivity and 'important topic of the day' that I'd be rejected. More than anything, the publishing landscape seems to have transformed to one that is politically motivated, instead of one that is interested in telling good stories.
I could be completely wrong about this, but the passion and enthusiasm I had for traditional publishing fizzled out over night, and self-publishing--which I had always thought poorly of--began to look like an increasingly appealing option. I love the idea of being my own boss, of keeping creative control over my work, and of being the judge of whether or not there is an audience for my books. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd be any good at marketing, and I'm terrified that if I self-publish, my dreams of making a living off of my writing will die a sad, pathetic death. Even so, I'm not sure if I'll ever regain my passion for traditional publishing, and I can't shake the feeling that maybe self-publishing was meant for me. I'm not sure what I'll decide, but watching this video felt like listening to my heart!
I respect your decision, good logic and positive energy as a writer.
You always give me Hope!
Ughh, no matter the procrastination of self doubt i'm going to get my books out there. It's been 10years for me and for as long as Ive been talking about it people think i'm a joke (sad face) I really just want to hold a completed copy in my hands and say I finally did it.
OMG Thank you for speaking to the politics in trad publishing rn! So many of my friends won’t get a once over because of their group identity. It’s psycho.
And a year later, all of that got even worse! Yikes.
@@ancientdreamersPREACH. I'm just doing it indie rn and when I can scale I'll give the great writers a chance. It's terrible right now. Worse than in academia with all its scandals. Hang in there, friend
Your videos were so helpful when we were trying to figure out what route we want to take. I would never look back. We didn’t pursue traditional publishing and are so happy we went the indie route. We agree with everything you said. For instance we’d never be able to get the phenomenal editors or award winning cover designer we had if we went traditional route. And the most important was to keep movie rights, trad pub takes most of the rights away.
The only thing that is hard is stigma but once you prove yourself and get amazing reviews etc it gets easier.
Yes! You are so right that traditional publishing has gotten SO POLITICAL. This is why I'm finally considering indie publishing after dreaming of being trad published for my WHOLE LIFE. I'm also afraid that if I got trad published, they would want to add their political bent to my books against my will, and I'd rather have more control over the content of my books.
I agree with you about the pros of self-publishing. I don't want to give up creative control over my story, cover, and everything else. I researched traditional publishing after I was writing screenplays and entering screenplay contests, because I was also writing short stories. After I lost out on the contests, I started writing novels and never looked back. All I ever wanted to do was tell stories, no matter what platform it ended up being.
That's so cool to hear! Keep rocking it!
Bethany, I watched the entire video, and I have a couple of thoughts:
- You made a mention or two of cover design in your video. When I designed my own cover for my first book, I was not in the right frame of mind (in fact, I was suffering from severe depression and having suicidal thoughts while writing and designing the cover for my first book, although I'm taking an antidepressant now, which has helped me greatly), and the cover I designed is a contender for the worst book cover in human history.
- Regarding your remarks about politics, some of the books that I'm currently writing are political nonfiction works that I intend to self-publish, although not all of my soon-to-be-written books are political in nature. I've never liked the practice of traditional publishing houses releasing excerpts of political nonfiction books pre-release. Also, my political views are very left-of-center, and I make no attempt whatsoever to hide my political views on one of my two Twitter accounts, but I've never liked the idea of bossing creative people in regards to how they should create their works.
The world is angry. People are angry and tired of the way the world is going. It's tangible and infectious, sadly. There's a feeling that something big is about to happen and it's that anticipation that's tainting everything else. Thanks for the vid!
Love the comment about politics. I’m in the entertainment industry, and I hate how politics has affected it
You're not wrong about the politics dominating the arts more, especially the last 5 years
I've been self-publishing since 2012 and have 19 books published. It took me five years to figure things out and that's when I made some decent money for being a part-time writer. (I have a day job.) I love controlling my writing and publishing. To cut my costs, I learn to design my own covers and even narrated and released my first audiobook this year.
The marketing is not my favorite and since I've not done it well, my sales/earnings have dropped off dramatically. Still, I plan to continue to self-publish.
In 2020, I self-published two books. It was a lot of work, but it was satisfying. I spent more than I made though. I'm not good at marketing.
I finished a manuscript last week. I can't afford to self-publish and not make any money. It's not about the money. I do want to get my stories to people.
I am going to get it edited and try the traditional route. And if it doesn't work out, all I need to do is a cover. I loved being in control of everything when I self-published. If I could market my own book it wouldn't be a problem at all.
I don't consider myself an author because I went the self-publishing route. Even though I worked hard to write my stories and get them published. I just need confidence, and not listen to the voice of those who think Indie writers are second rate.
On a side note: You sound like me. I like to give hope through my stories.
I subscribed to your channel a while back but haven't watched your videos. But I definitely agree with you, and will be watching your videos.
Also, I'm not going to query any agents that are forcefully pushing their politics or agendas. It's more now than it was years ago when I looked at different agents.
You are not alone. I feel the same about what has “shifted” and to be honest, I don’t want any part of that world. 🙅🏼♀️
I appreciate the candidness Bethany. Makes me wanna go the indie route even more.
Aww yay! Thank you so much!
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Thanks for sharing, and now I'll be self-publishing!
Bethany, thank you for this honest, refreshing video. I am currently self-publishing two books, one of which will be released in April, and the other later in the year. You are absolutely right about the changes in the publishing industry. About fifteen years ago, I tried to find a publisher for a detective novel. Although I could not get an agent, I received a number of lovely, personal letters from agents telling me why they chose not to represent me, giving advice, and encouraging me to keep writing. With my latest book, I also looked for an agent and the kindness I'd found fifteen years ago was totally missing. A few sent me form letters, but most had the "no reply means no" mentality. That and the recent $15 million advance given to Brittany (the Virginia Woolf of our age) Spears were enough to turn me off to the publishing world. Thank you for encouraging me in what has been a difficult transition.
One question. You mentioned something about "Miss Rona" being indicative of changes in the publishing industry. I did not get the reference. Could you enlighten me?
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Thanks a lot for your informative and inspiring video! I feel like I need to see all your videos on book marketing.
Thank you, this was extremely useful although I had made the decision last week to self publish. It's nice to to hear from a successful author and her own personal experience. For me, the issue was time as I wasn't gonna wait for this book to be published past this year. Secondly was the loss of control and that I would have to do the marketing anyway. As to your comment about the politics, my upcoming book is similar to that of Neale Donald Walsch (Conversations with God) writes whereby our only reason for being here is to come to experience and express love in all its forms starting with self love. We live in this world of the law of opposites whereby there will always be something that is the opposite of us. But its our job to see the beauty in that contrast and use it to decide how we want to act and be in this lifetime around. Blessings. The illusion is that things that seemingly are the opposite are actually the same. Like hot and cold water. Both are considered water but we need to experience that hot weter is in order in know there is cold water. Or head and tails are two sides of the same coin. thanks again.
I have published four nonfiction books via the traditional route. Good experience, but no money unless you have a broad audience or are writing on a topic that catches lighting in a bottle. I also did not like being tied to a word count. Tried to go the traditional route when I began writing fiction and got nowhere. Query letters never returned. No agent, forget about it. I agree with your point about mixed genres being a challenge. Also agree that the traditional publishing paradigm has shifted. Doors closed tight. Self-publishing is the way to go. Just make sure you do your due diligence. So, I found a company to handle the nuts and bolts to getting my book published (website, PR, editing, cover design, copyright, ISBN, etc...). We'll see how it goes. I liked the experience and control. But, if it doesn't pay off, I will go the full-on DIY route for my next self-published book. Looks terrifying.
Thanks for the breath of fresh air, Bethany.😊
You are 100% spot on as far as the politics. I also think tradional published means nothing as far as quality of story or worse, writing quality. Great channel.
Thanks for this video. I just wrote a sports fiction, but a lot of stuff written is incidents I have seen first hand. I rather have creative control and make less money. I don't want the publisher to change my content, that I seen first hand.
I don't think I'd do well with trad pub either, for the reasons you mentioned, but also because I'm just so nonconformist. I want to do things my way. Like you said, "control." I have a vision for my writing, and I resist hearing how it "has" to be. Great example about the hybrid of genres.
So let me reiterate this for you Bethany lol. What I heard through to the end of your video... And that is you no longer want to be traditionally published because you are already, and could always become (just like anyone else), a magical and amazing success all on your own. Without riding on someone else's coattails!😊 You just needed to figure that out on your own, with your own process and your own reasons.😊😊😊❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Had to be said on the politics in trad pub. Thank you!
Interesting video. I have just 'indie-published' my first book. Basically I learned what I should do, employed professionals for those areas I could not do myself: cover design and editing and my book is in bricks and mortar shops. I suspect self-publishing has acquired its dubious reputation for some because you do come across self-published titles where not enough care has been taken and so the end product does not look comparable to trad-published titles. In pretty much all respects writing is similar to music and nobody really questions indie-publishing of music nowadays. I see traditional publishers as acting like gatekeepers and self-styled arbiters of taste and quality when really it should be the readers that determine whether a writer is worth reading.
For me the biggest win with self publishing is more creative control and and more royalties.
Traditional publishers have way too much control. Like you said, they give you a few weeks (at most) to make a splash, then they're on to the next book. After that you're on your own.
This resonated with me, and I'm sorry I didn't see it before.
I write Christian romantic suspense, and while that's not unknown as a genre cross, I try to be more realistic about the challenges my characters face as Christians than I see in a lot of what's out there.
I have only one book out there so far, and I can’t say I've found my tribe. But if I'd waited to be trad published, I wouldn't be even so far as I am.
Loved this! Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bethany. I'm also so tired of the politics and so I'll be sticking to self publishing too. Thanks for all the great content you put out! 💙
I don't know if you'll see this, but I have a few questions. I work FT, and in my spare time have been writing a trilogy that turned into a 5-book cycle. I've never tried to get any published because I didn't have time for both writing and publishing. But now I'm nearly done, and also close to retirement. So the questions are: Should I release the entire story (5 full-length books) at once, or one book at a time? And would traditional publishers even want a 5-book cycle? Would readers? Personally, I don't like to start a book series until it's done. (I've been burned a few times with series that never got finished.) But maybe the anticipation for each new book would hype the series???
p.s. Happily, I don't need to earn money from writing. But like any self-respecting author, I want my stuff to be read (and liked) by as many people as possible.
p.p.s. Advice from anyone is welcome.
There are a lot of things to consider. The competition between trad publishers and new publishers, plus social media and indie authors all being influenced by judgment and negativity online that has made it hard for writers and publishers to take risks that are creative, different, and controversial without being ruined. So basically creativity is being killed, along with opportunities for writers and publishers who have to produce content that sells for a shrinking audience that doesn’t have the same love of literature that traditional audiences had before the competition and influence of political and social issues created a toxic atmosphere for everyone.
Thank you so much for this invigorating and honest video! I also see politics shaping so much media, including trad publishing, pop music, Hollywood. The line between art and propaganda has vanished recently in many places.
I tried to query my book for months to many agents and got nowhere. I admittedly had to keep revising my query, so I understand the lack of response.
Then I researched self-publishing more, I realized I could totally do it and statistically likely to make more money! Why not? The freedom to publish what you want is big for me. I have many short stories that I plan to put into collections and sell, that I know would never sell in trad publishing.
It was so nice to see your books in Barnes and Noble and your award to prove to skeptics the quality and success possible through self-publishing. Well done!
Control and decision-making regarding covers are one of the reasons why I am still doubting choosing between traditional vs self-publishing, And seriously when big names like Bella Andre chose to self-publish than traditional publishing, that said a lot! And you're right, the atmosphere in the book world has become really toxic!
Such a good point! Obviously there are pros and cons to both, but I gotta say the control is awesome. :) And toxic is a very good word for what's happened in trad pub.
I just self-published my first novel for most of these very reasons. Mostly that I want to be my own boss and have full control.
I’m a “registered democrat” (whatever that even means anymore), without any religious affiliations, and I couldn’t agree more about the politics. Not just with writing books, but with tv shows and movies as well. The whole entertainment industry. There’s nothing wrong with inclusivity and all that, or whatever the hyped-up hot-button topic of the week is, it’s the way it’s being executed. You can’t beat discrimination and hate with discrimination and hate. It’s so toxic and divisive, and it’s tiring to watch people get swept up in all this engineered and
MONETIZED hype everyday.
Anyway, just wanted to say that your videos have been very insightful and helpful, as I begin my journey as an indie writer!
I can't stand all the sensitivity reader mess. I understand where they are coming from, but then how can one or two sensitive readers decide on what is so-called inclusive or not? I don't even share the same value and the same everything with my friends that look like me, of the same race, and we've been schoolmates and friends for more than ten years.
Unless trad pub thinks all people should think one way and feel offended by the same thing base on their physical attributes, sensitivity reader is a dumb idea.
I can never do that. I'm not offended by anything. lol.
Brave for you to voice your opinion, people these days can get... riled up easily.
Interesting point! Yeah one sensitivity reader could easily disagree with another, since belonging to any particular people group doesn't automatically mean we all become a "hive mind" with that group haha... so I can definitely see what you're saying. I feel like the sensitivity line has almost moved and ... yeah. I don't really have the words for it lol, but people get offended WAY too easily these days and I don't have time for that lol
You 100% have a finger on the pulse of the publishing industry, and your take on the political nature of traditional publishing is spot on. I'm an independent author, and I write what I hope to be just fun stories. Politics are not shoe-horned in, and I believe that based on the shallow responses I've received from literary agents as well as the types of books I'm seeing on the store shelves that there's this false idea that pushing a political narrative is somehow important. I used to look at self-publishing (which is the only thing I've ever done) as settling or not being "good enough" to get a book deal. Now I realize that I'm just not putting up arbitrary barriers between my writing and potential readers.
People can get pissed off with your political mention as a reason to not go trad pub but you are absolutely spot on. Trad Pub has gone way over the edge of the cliff with gatekeeping and political virtue signaling that it is a major turn off. Fantasy and Sci Fi in particular have had a mega-blowup over the past 10 years and it has really fractured the genre. I’m currently looking to self-pub my first book, having been turned off by the trad pub community. I mean, it got downright nasty - to the point where even major editors were slamming authors of differing political views. How can you ever expect to be treated fairly based on the work going forward? Currently there is one trad pub house I would consider and happily work with if they ever wanted to do so, but I have no faith in 99% of the houses anymore. I spent a good bit of time going over the pros and cons with my Mrs and pretty much every other one of your points were exactly what pushed the pivot point for me (us) to forego trad pub and go rogue, as it were. I want that personal control over my own vision and to know I don’t ever have to cater my style to try to fit the political whims of someone in NY. And no, my work is not politically based. But I literally know a writer who had his contract cancelled by a trad pub house because he refused to change one word in his manuscript. One word. Well, no thanks. I’m not interested in that level of usurpation of my creativity. So hopefully we’ll see Book 1 of my fantasy series out here in the next couple months! Nice vid, Bethany.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
I would argue that traditional publishing has always been into gate keeping. The fact that most big name publishers will not talk to you at all without a literary agent is evidence enough of this. In truth they're just unnecessary middle men meant to weed out people that they don't want in their club.
I love this video! I am a “woman of a certain age” and I just don’t want to take the time to deal with publishing houses. Because I’m older, I am pickier and want to be in control of every aspect of my own publishing. I’m not even looking at the money structure so much, as I want to be satisfied with the product I release and put my name on. If it doesn’t do well then it’s on me. If it does extraordinarily, then that’s on me, too. I have been discouraged from doing this, but because I tend to have OCD tendencies (not OCD, but I have my moments) I want to be 100% satisfied with the product. Thanks, Bethany! I love your channel!
That's totally fair! I can absolutely understand that mindset, and I hope you will be encouraged by my videos that you can absolutely rock self-publishing! :) Thank you so much!
So, I got paid 80k for my first (two)-book deal, 40k for each book. And that's on the low end of what my author friends (also) make, because I was non-fiction. Most of my friends have pulled 6-figure deals.
I'm curious; where are you getting these numbers?
That's awesome! I know of two trad pub authors personally who were paid on the very low end, but also have watched a few trad pub authortubers talk about this range, and finally, I also read through a spreadsheet (probably a year or so ago now) that was going around on Twitter where authors anonymously shared their book deal figures. There were definitely some like yours, but a lot of other genres were much, much lower. I think you're in a fantastic circle of successful authors, but just like me, we don't know all the authors in our space and I think there's a broad range.
oh! p.s. I can't find your other comment, but as I was answering comments I've already seen two other trad pub authors say they absolutely hated their cover but had no say in it sadly. I'd only heard that behind closed doors prior to this, but I've heard it other places too.
Almost everyone I know (debut authors, at that) had lots of say-so in their covers. Even got asked to provide Pinterest boards, aesthetics, and a list of artists they wouldn't mind using. This wasn't the case years ago, but I know most of my friends get lots of say-so on their covers. This is what stuck out most to me in the video, so I wanted to clear it up. Having no control might be the minority but def not the standard. There are levels to it. Say, the publisher might already provide the artist but the artists will take almost all of your concerns and revision into the next round of the cover draft of the work. Even regarding font. I gave a list of five book covers I like, and they redid the title font to echo those fonts (as opposed to the ugly font they first picked out). I didn't like the color scheme they picked and told them I wanted a muted scheme, and that wish was granted as well.
@@ericamartin398 I think that depends on what publishing houses they are at and how laid back the publishing houses are regarding new debut authors! but usually 95% of the time, the publishing houses take absolute control over an author's books including decisions regarding the covers, if every author out there has the capacity to choose or make decisions regarding their covers then some of the books being released wouldn't have ugly covers, just because you and your friends got lucky in being allowed to make decisions regarding your covers by your publishing houses that doesn't mean that everyone else out there is allowed to do the same!
@@ericamartin398 Interesting... I think it'd be hard for either of us to know for sure what the standard is, since we each have our own author circle that's relatively small in comparison to how many authors exist in the world. But I have heard from six trad pub authors about their covers, and while most of them still liked the cover they received, only one of them had much say in it. If you browse the comments from trad pub authors on this video alone, I've already seen three other authors tell me they absolutely hate their trad pub covers. (And also confirmed the low income in their genre.) So just something to consider, but again, I can't say that I'll ever know for sure one way or the other, and most likely it all just depends on the people you work with.
I really agree with your last point about the politics and nasty behavior in traditional publishing right now. I'm an aspiring writer/author, as well as a Christian, and I find the prospect of being part of traditional publishing terrifying. I don't think I would be welcome. And I don't even talk about political or social issues in my writing, so I think that's saying a lot.
That is me as well, Bethany. I want to write my fantasy books and read fantasy to escape reality. I also want control of my work, even if it means I have to do more work. Thank you for posting this video! (PS: My heart shatters when I read comments on social media from writers who feel they are not good if not trad published.)
Yes! And I agree, it’s so disheartening when it may not be true at all!
I genuinely agree with you
Seeing more politics with trad publishing books and just books in general. It's the mob mentality too like if this book doesn't have x yz in it then we should hate it and the crowd hates it because they're told to. I was also trad published and paid a ton of money to leave and prefer self publishing because of control so I agree with you 100 percent. The only reason I'd consider trad publishing again is because their marketing reach potentially could reach more than I can as a self published author without much money to put into it. But I feel you and everything you're saying.
Also i felt that about the combo of genres. I did a christian vampire 9 book series and guess what? Vampire fans hate the christian content and the christians hate the vampire content and i feel like thats my struggle now is to find an audience in general cuz my books are usually christian fantasy with grit. Like a christian version of game of thrones and also like lord of the rings.
Wow! You are a breath of fresh air. I agree with your points 100%. All the best.
I would love to ask you more about how you handled the book signing projects in Barnes& Noble and other such book sales opportunities in person. And also how you particularly go about getting books on their shelves. I have personally been into speak with a manager before at Barnes& Noble about their publishing process and how they choose books for those things. So I have a little rapport with them already on that account, and know that from their base feedback there's some sort of regional person who will order the books for different store locations and make those decisions based on numbers of followers you already have, and whether or not it's already sold another platforms, and like you said, there's other stipulations like the returnable books that go along with it. But I was just wondering if there's any other feedback that you personally have about being in that particular position with your books being on physical store shelves and being at physical live events, versus the online and digital side of the realm? I also have not yet asked a person there how they go about distributing more nationally onto their shelves, or if that's just something that happens naturally as you gain favor at certain locations? Or in certain regions where they feel like you'll be a good match for their locale and the types of books that are already present at each individual bookstore. I'm sure there's a lot of decision making that goes into those things.
I've been querying for a year and am increasingly coming to the conclusion that traditional publishing is too hostile for me. I've always had the fear that if i self-publish it will be because my book isn't good enough. I still struggle with the idea. Thank you for this video.
This is a great video. I'd love to know plain and simple, do you think the traditional platform would have given you more:
- shelf exposure
- exclusive location exposure
- regional or global reach
- revenue
?
Would be great. I know self publishing yields more or higher fees, but if you end up getting low exposure.... it's a flop.