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Nope, I'm off the Joker train. I came to see the Joker not A Star is Born. They fucked the dog the second they added Lady Barfbag. A musical, how incredibly STUPID.
Love Joaquin Phoenix Love Lady Gaga Love Musicals I'm sure I'll Love this movie at very least it will be a warm up to when Wicked comes out in November 😁👍
First 10 Minutes I was all-in 20 minutes in I knew some good stuff was about to happen 45 minutes in it looked like things were about to happen 1hr and 15 minutes in I was looking at the watch when Phoenix badly finished his singing (if you call it that) Then the movie ended and I felt trolled. Fuck this movie🖕
I respect this comment because at least you went in with an open mind! We have a full video on this dropping… I can understand why you would feel trolled. I will say (and it’s going to sound weird) the “bad singing” is part of Phoenix’s charm. I think that tied in with his character well.
Me too, I kept thinking “ok here’s where it’s about to get good and actually be the joker” and then when it was ready to end I realized I hated it. When the ending happened, I realized I needed to make an IMDb account to give it a 1 star, which feels too high.
So the reviews are like they were for Joker I. They were either "it's terrible" or "it's great". I liked Joker I. And I like musicals too, so I'm going to see this.
I doubt this movie is bad, critics talked crap about the first one, and critics scores are always different from actual audience scores from the movies release. I'm just praying for the best for this film 😭
Yeah I don’t like how the media was praying on the first Joker film’s downfall. It seems like the main issue ppl are having with this one is balancing issues? I can’t wait to watch it for myself. I doubt it can be as bad as some of those guys are making it seem
@@kaylex3 people were legit praying for the downfall of this film since they announced the script for like no reason! And I don't know why, but I do have a slight feeling this could be award worthy
If you notice, it's all the "critics" from big outlets that will end up giving Snow White a 95% score or a 9.5/10 but will shit all over something like this. They did the same thing with the first film. The first film is only 10% higher rated on RT as of right now. All this does is get me more excited to see it.
LOL, no one is gonna give snow white a 95 mggt. The live remakes have never gotten high scores, so, don't know what you're trying to do, or who you're trying to fool here.
The critics who harpooned Joker were correct. It isn't a very good film, let alone a masterpiece (people throw words like that around much too carelessly these days).
@@wet-read I feel like this film is going to make people look back more critically at the first, like the same way people saw Tom Hooper's Cats and realized that maybe Les Misérables wasn't all that. Todd Phillips much like Tom Hooper believe they are ground breaking, but maybe Phillips should have just done another Hangover movie.
Yes! I’m going to go into this one with no expectations though… that way I’m not disappointed. But T2 and A2 are HUGE movies that a lot of films can’t catch up to
@@bondjames4053 A Superhero musical...; what a stunningly stupid idea. Next let's do Jurassic Park the musical, or maybe 'Wrestlemania on Ice'!!! Yasss People Yasss! WrestleMania on ice, but with 'representation'...
I had watched the Joker, and definitely will be watching this one 💯🔥 Sometimes when critics slammed the Movie and it end up a good movie, I am in for it
I have loved the first movie and do not plan on seeing the second one but honestly comic book accurate Joker is 100 % a musical and courtroom drama character. He is a flamboyant fuck. Joker 1 was a GOAT movie because it had a message and was daring. If Joker 2 is in another completely different style it is not going perform well at all. This is like Zelda 2, Actraiser 2 etc sometimes people fucking love different shit but other times they just do not want or cannot handle it.
@TheSteveTheDragon Alan Tudyk parodied this sort of thing in his Con Man series when they were casting a new television show called CopLawyerDoctor about a police officer who is also an attorney and a medic.
stopped trusting reviews, but I enjoy when they are indecisive... to me it means that it will be more artistic than another cookie cutter which what we really need in hollywood right now
That’s one of the biggest reasons why no matter what I respect this version of the joker. It’s like a gateway for people that only watch blockbuster to appreciate more than just one type of movie
Her music is hot garbage, but she was great in that House of Gucci. It's funny how some artists are more enjoyable when they're outside their regular medium.
I don’t care what people say, I’ll watch Megalopolis and Joker 2 with my own eyes and judge by myself. The internet is getting filled with clickbait polarizing comments “the worst film of the year”, “atrocious” etc. no objectivity, no balance, no intellectual approach. Every comment seems to be written by frustrated 15 year old kids.
Yesterday when I read all the reviews I found I was feeling so disappointed. I am looking forward to this film for so long now and I was so afraid that it might not be good somehow. And then reading this reviews telling me it would be a waste of time and stuff was really hard, somehow I took it even personally haha. But now seeing your video and reading the comments below I just remembered even if not everybody likes it or even people find it really bad, it does not matter so much. I am so sure I will find beauty in it, maybe a beauty not accessable to everyone. Maybe its a different beauty, differently told than to the other film had, but that's okay. Because I love Joaquins acting, I love Gagas acting, I like the chemistry the had in the trailer already. I am looking forward!
I wouldn't take it personal because movies are meant to be subjective and that's the beauty of it. Just because critics or anyone else doesn't like something you love doesn't invalidate it! I hope people still give this movie a shot even if it isn't their cup of tea. But I really respect this movie because this might be a way for a lot of people to expand their film palate. Listen Komrade, as long as you see the beauty in it, and it resonates with you.... Thats all that matters. Looking forward to hearing what you think about the film when it comes out
I remember the first film being polarizing aswell. I literally had friends tell me that if you like the movie you might be a psycho lmao. I on the other hand watched it about 30 times. Can't wait for this.
The problem with Joker isn't its content and themes, but how well they were done. And they weren't done well. Criticism of the film based solely on that stuff is largely a red herring, as better and more critically acclaimed films featuring these have been made.
First they name it "Folie A Deux" and I'm like, ugh. That sounds artsy fartsy. Then it's revealed to be a musical. I friggin HATE musicals! Then they premier it at the Venice Film Festival. Oh yeah, that lays my fears to rest. The first movie cost 50 mil. They spent 200 mil on this sequel. Which apparently, mostly takes place in Arkham Asylum. Bro! WTF is going on wiith this movie?!
"sounds artsy". Well, it is art, not just repetitive explosions and fight scenes.. So there's that. But it's just French. Maybe it's high brow entertainment, maybe step up your expectations for what is entertaining
@@JamesHigroundMagic If you've never heard a movie being critiqued as "artsy fartsy." Then maybe you should sit this one out. It's called reading the the room. This a Joker movie. Not "Les Miserables."
I just had to comment and say that I love how you both talk about this and break down what different people said. I've never watched you guys before, but here you both do it in a purely analytical, unemotionally-charged way. I was pleasantly surprised as that's not generally the way of the internet, especially when this is mostly speculation.
Komrade! Much love and thank you for the comment! I think it’s important to not be super critical of something we didn’t get the chance to see yet. But listening to different perspectives is fun to do! I’m glad pick up on something so subtle! We take pride in that so THANK YOU! Hail KAYLEX
I agree. And even if the story ends up being trash... I can tell you right now, just from the trailers alone... The cinematography is going to be AMAZING! This is a different level of filmmaking from a technical level alone. Even in trying to find a natural way to add the musical numbers
I never pay attention to critic ratings, they only care about woke agendas and messaging. It’s audience rating that’s worth paying attention to. I can’t wait to see this.
Critics probably just wanted a female lesbian Joker.. so as a compromise they decided ok we'll do a male Joker but when he gets with Harley we'll just make it super gay with a bunch of musical action.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 Movie critics 1000% are. They are notorious for being out of touch with what “normal” people enjoy in movies. I’m hate it for you that you find this fact offensive.
Good discussion guys. Based on those reviews I predict that the film will be good but might suffer from not having anything meaningful to say or add on top of the original. Liked and subbed
Much love Komrade! We're thinking the same thing. Its an interesting choice making it a musical which also helps make it its own type of comicbook movie. Always open to when filmmakers try something thats a bit out there. Thats what makes movies fun.
I have been skeptical about about this sequel but now hearing it's a musical and I'm even more concerned. But it could simply be a preference of mine. I'd prefer it's not a musical but maybe that's my only issue. I plan to go see it.
I don't see how the recent Harley Quinn actresses are strictly doing this as vanity projects. You might as well say the Phoenix is doing it for the same reason.
Maybe i can enjoy it as a Song and Dance but have a feeling that making a sequel like that to a Joker(original), makes me scratch my head... It feels like making Holiday Special after Star Wars original(1978) Why can't film industry make a consistent things these days...
Yeah let’s blame the one character that the critics universally praised in the movie and ignore the fact that Todd was the director. Your sexism is showing, it’s always the woman’s fault right?
@@Thin_Mercury ia 'woman'? Really...? She/he absolutely ruined 'a star is born'(one of the worst movies ever made). Stick to voice modulated radio jingles pls.
I used to be in choir and I love to sing and I can't stand musicals! In fact when that trailer from that Wicked movie came out my wife wanted to see it. As soon as she found out it was a musical she was like F-that!
The movie is bad. Just watched at the fan screening last night I hated it. If you like any aspect of the first one, it’s completely absent from part 2. Should’ve stayed a standalone film.
IDGAF about reviews. That first trailer was fire, and I'm pretty hyped to see it. I liked the first movie, I like musicals, and I like interesting genre concepts. I'm anticipating a good time in the theater.
It's different. It's a tragedy. It's a fantasy that dies. There are lots of universes of Joker. This is one of them. It kind of moved me. Left an impact. I'd say watch it regardless of what people say. Have your own opinion on this and keep it. Some of you will love it, some of you will hate it.
I'll admit Todd Phillips makes great dramas other than his usual comedy films but him doing sequels isn't really a strong suit for him like the hangover sequels are a recycle from it's predecessor.
When it comes to opinions on films. Its not just an objective or subjective medium. Rhats why we watch an judge it on what aspects of the film we like and how well done the acting and story was told.
I get what you’re getting at… It’s your own opinion though so that’s what’s gonna make it subjective. It’s an art. The only hope is that people you consider your tribe agree. But it’s also ok if you’re alone in your opinion
Yeah, and that is what movie critics are literally paid to do, and they usually if not always come to the table with more knowledge and insights than the average viewer. And they are crapped on so long as they don't praise a film people happen to like. I like films I wouldn't say are good, let alone masterpieces. Conversely, there are films I think are praised too highly. Whatever. At the end of the day, opinions are subjective even as objective criteria can be cited and interpreted in various ways.
LMFAO! Those people URK MY EFFFIN SOUL 😂😂😂 Big part of them is not understanding the grappling. Just like reviewers not understanding the film... you made a great analogy
Lady gaga isnt unexperienced in acting. She did a great job on a star is born. And there was music, but it wasnt really a musical, and she acted really well in that movie.
Hollywood only wants to make huge movies if it can shoehorn a message down you throat. It tried with the first Joker but left it open to interpretation and the audience didn't get the full message. This time they'll keep all ambiguity out of it and tell you exactly what they think you should think. Thats why these movies based on properties are hit and miss, those who can elevate the source to a new level win, those who use it as a chance to inject a message just make people indifferent. Is it entertaining enough to watch over and over again? I seriously doubt it. But maybe the music can save it for those who fast forward through repeat viewings.
I think I wouldn't recommend watching this movie, reading the synopsis is probably good enough. And I would recommend thinking about the story which imo is thematically genius and a tragedy. It's actually kind of like Undertale in the way that the player or in this case the viewer is a character in it, I strongly believe the first film is actually followed up on perfectly, not contradicted. But like Arthur, you the audience were emotionally manipulated into thinking that he was the Joker. The Joker is like this spirit that possesses many different people, the "Joker Moment" is a thing that pulls in many individuals who want to circumvent social norms in times where we believe we are unjustly treated. But realistically Joker 2 is what would happen IRL if Joker 2019 happened. Someone like Arthur isn't going to go on to be Batman's adversary. In the interview scene we actually see he wants to be better but society keeps kicking him down and he temporarily snapped. But now everyone (including us) was inspired by his Joker moment and they kinda want to see how it would be if he kept going down that path. And we even convince him that that's who he really is but later after even worse abuse he realises that he can't keep doing that. Arthur really wouldn't be able to handle staying as the Joker. The scene with the guards just before they do the unspeakable to him really solidifies this, Mark Hamill's Joker would probably laugh and crack jokes as they do that but Arthur has already got trauma from that so he just can't. He's fundamentally a good person that just had a really bad life, unlike how you'd have to be to continue being the Joker forever. Batman's adversary is not someone who has empathy, it's more like the self admitted psychopath we see at the end of the movie who will likely be inspired by Arthur's Joker moment to become the (first) actual Joker in that universe. This story isn't about the Joker the individual but rather about how society mistreats the mentally ill, i.e. this individual who is forced to use the power of the Joker and the Joker specifically because of what the Joker means to people as a symbol in real life.
Almost seems like some of those reviews are fabricated to push a personal perspective... Quite excited to see it now.. Dozens of reviews out now, positive reviews with a little Logic in em are starting to outnumber the derpy IGN-type scores... (we all know IGN scores are just bought and paid for these days anyways, fake AF) 🃏
You seek to destroy Gotham?! For its weakness! For its fear! For its failures, time and time again! I am Gotham. Strike me down. What I'm getting at is I am disciplined for modernist city's I won't cause them premeditated to cause another crises of infinite earth's and don't get me STARTED on the praises they bring confusing dismay.
Awful, nothing but the abuse Author Fleck, and the Joker never showed up. The only way to redeem it is to make a third movie and have the Joker take over when “Fleck” dies. Also, don’t make the Joker a guy who finally snaps on the Rape Bros and bullies and expect people NOT to identify with him. The first one made sense from that perspective, this was meandering garbage.
Sequels are always compared to the original and barely never live up, cus the first was more groundbreaking or we just expect too much or too much critic hype? Who knows with sequels Gotta watch with an open mind preferably when it’s streaming first free
Im going to watch this in theaters before more people tell me their ideas on the film. If you think about it, this movie is probably pushing more boundaries than the first movie considering its a comic book movie, that's also focused on prestige, and also trying to tell a dark and gritty story while its a musical, to an audience of what will be mostly men. The first one already had heavy Scorsese influences , we've seen that type of film before Its a big risk, I kind of respect that. Who knows this movie can open the avenue for people to watch more movies outside of just Blockbusters.
Well. After seeing it. I can say...expectations have been subverted. And that's not good.🥴 But I will further clarify. If you are looking for something to watch purely carried on drama enhanced actor performances. Then oh boy has this movie got you covered. But if you are looking to indulge in virtually anything else for viewer entertainment. Then this film will not sway you in the very least.😅
Big surprise, it has Gaga in it and it's a musical so it's going to focus on her, - that people actually thought it had a chance at being good is sort of funny to me.
@@Theodre_Verany well it releases in just under 3 weeks. Let's see who is right shall we me or you? If I'm wrong I'll come back here and admit it to you. Are you gonna do the same if you're wrong?
@@UncensoredScion I’m not scared, if every single critic said she was not the main character, I am pretty confident she is not. It’s not rocket science buddy
Having not seen the movie yet, I’m assuming this takes place mostly in one of the characters minds. Hence why people say it was a waste of time. It’s all fake
I just watched it and it freaking sucks. Performance was good but story line was episode one boring. I kept waiting for it to get better but it didn’t. I literally almost walked out then the end happened. Now I wish I walked out sooner.
I don’t know why they had to choose Lady Gaga for Harley Quinn, I think Gaga is annoying as hell but I do think it would’ve been a great opportunity if they chose an actress we’ve never seen before
Personally, I like lady Gaga. However, I cannot see her as Harley Quinn, not because she's bad or anything I just don't think she has the vibe. Imo, Margot Robbie was the perfect Harley, she had the accent and the psychotic vibe and I don't think Gaga can follow that
NOW IT'S A 17 MINUTE STANDING OVATION?!!!!!😳 Last week it was 11. I dare anyone to stand up, clap, cheer and maybe stomp your feet FOR THREE MINUTES. How many people would make the first 90 secs before their hands got sore or they just felt stupid? Hey, why don't you guys start the STANDING OVATION CHALLENGE?!!!!! 🤣 Anyway, Joker 1 got and deserved all the accolades it earned. I checked out the minute Joker 2 THE MUSICAL was announced. So they can applaud til their hands fall off for all I care. Another opportunity WASTED!!!
So guys I will speak firsthand . I have seen the film and I will not go into full detail but I will say DO NOT LISTEN TO CRITICS. When I saw the film and then read some of the reviews I can 100% understand why some don’t and probably won’t like this movie . It is very BOLD AND RAW. We live in a very sensitive society and I will tell you now, this film is going to rub some people the wrong way 100% . Me personally LOVED it and we need more films like this in cinema
I mean ... at least critics aren't saying this movie will encourage ppl to be violent like when the first one came out. To me, it seems like the musical Chicago, but dark and gritty for the fellas
I never trust reviews. Im gonna watch this movie and I will form my own opinion if I like the movie or not. I watched the first one and I liked it. It was different from the other Joker's on screen but it was its own thing and I like Jaquin's portrayal of the Joker. Jack Nicoltson's Joker and Heath Ledger's Joker are still my favorite version's.
It’s always important for us to form our own opinions. I agree. Can’t wait to watch this one! There can be more than one version and we can love all of them!
This is gonna be a view yourself movie, right now Phenox is in hot water and studios are mad he dropped some roles. Hollywood might be looking to make an example of him and mess with promotion and "reviews"
The only thing that takes me out of the story quicker, than the cast suddenly bursting into song and dance. Is a screaming baby in the movie theater. God I fvcking hate musicals!
I haven’t seen the second one yet, so I can’t say he messed it up because of a musical. I can say however that doing that is a bold choice and I’d love to see how it plays out
TRASH that’s going to destroy the original. Anyone saying there is hope, read the leaked script. The sequel should’ve kept the same TONE at least. Dumpster fire territory.
Let's see if dc can break it's sequels curse. Aquaman was a success, then aquaman 2 was a failure. Shazam was a success then both black adam and shazam 2 ended up becoming failures. Suicide squad was a success then both birds of prey and the suicide squad ended up becoming failures as well. Wonder woman was a success and then wonder woman 2 was a failure. Joker was a success, following the track record it's safe to say joker 2 will be a failure as well, however i will let time be the judge of that.
Are you guys still going to check this movie out? The main issue might be that people aren't used to a movie like this trying to do something different. Our excitement for this is still sky high so I guess we'll just have to wait.
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They could be right this time. As soon as I heard it was staring Lady Gaga, I knew I wouldn't be seeing it
Nope, I'm off the Joker train. I came to see the Joker not A Star is Born. They fucked the dog the second they added Lady Barfbag. A musical, how incredibly STUPID.
Love Joaquin Phoenix Love Lady Gaga Love Musicals I'm sure I'll Love this movie at very least it will be a warm up to when Wicked comes out in November 😁👍
@@rustyshackleford6035 check your balls at the door
People wanna see joker progress . No musical crap.
First 10 Minutes I was all-in
20 minutes in I knew some good stuff was about to happen
45 minutes in it looked like things were about to happen
1hr and 15 minutes in I was looking at the watch when Phoenix badly finished his singing (if you call it that)
Then the movie ended and I felt trolled. Fuck this movie🖕
I respect this comment because at least you went in with an open mind! We have a full video on this dropping…
I can understand why you would feel trolled. I will say (and it’s going to sound weird) the “bad singing” is part of Phoenix’s charm. I think that tied in with his character well.
Me too, I kept thinking “ok here’s where it’s about to get good and actually be the joker” and then when it was ready to end I realized I hated it. When the ending happened, I realized I needed to make an IMDb account to give it a 1 star, which feels too high.
Same
Well said, and I just saw it and I felt the same.
So the reviews are like they were for Joker I. They were either "it's terrible" or "it's great".
I liked Joker I.
And I like musicals too, so I'm going to see this.
Gonna be there opening night!
I liked Joker 1, love musicals, but this meandered into Suckyville and put up residence.
I doubt this movie is bad, critics talked crap about the first one, and critics scores are always different from actual audience scores from the movies release. I'm just praying for the best for this film 😭
Yeah I don’t like how the media was praying on the first Joker film’s downfall.
It seems like the main issue ppl are having with this one is balancing issues? I can’t wait to watch it for myself.
I doubt it can be as bad as some of those guys are making it seem
@@kaylex3 people were legit praying for the downfall of this film since they announced the script for like no reason!
And I don't know why, but I do have a slight feeling this could be award worthy
The first one actually sucked
@@FelixLarios1234no they weren't
But this one is lower then the first one by some people that liked the first one
Standing ovations are normal at film festivals. You're basically thanking everyone for the production, not for the quality of it.
Not true - standing ovations at major film festivals are huge for the director and cast
If you notice, it's all the "critics" from big outlets that will end up giving Snow White a 95% score or a 9.5/10 but will shit all over something like this. They did the same thing with the first film. The first film is only 10% higher rated on RT as of right now. All this does is get me more excited to see it.
LOL, no one is gonna give snow white a 95 mggt. The live remakes have never gotten high scores, so, don't know what you're trying to do, or who you're trying to fool here.
No they won't. Snow White is getting what it deserves just like this...
The critics who harpooned Joker were correct. It isn't a very good film, let alone a masterpiece (people throw words like that around much too carelessly these days).
@@wet-read I feel like this film is going to make people look back more critically at the first, like the same way people saw Tom Hooper's Cats and realized that maybe Les Misérables wasn't all that. Todd Phillips much like Tom Hooper believe they are ground breaking, but maybe Phillips should have just done another Hangover movie.
@@Gee-xb7rt
Yep. I actually enjoyed the first and third Hangover movies.
You can’t go wrong with a Joaquin Phoenix movie 🍿,he’s highly incredible at every thing he does.
He's such a beast of an actor!
Napolean exists
Signs sucked
Yes you can... You add Gag-a
Napoleon was terrible in large part due to Joaquins performance.
Let's just pretend this movie doesn't exist
am with you
Afuckinggreed
Def I’ll be watching! I have such a good feeling about this one.
This is going to be a fun watch! Especially if its anything like the first one
Why?
You never know Terminator 2 and Aliens 2 did it but thousands have failed
Yes! I’m going to go into this one with no expectations though… that way I’m not disappointed.
But T2 and A2 are HUGE movies that a lot of films can’t catch up to
@@bondjames4053 but, if Terminator 2 was a musical... Yeah right.
@@bondjames4053 A Superhero musical...; what a stunningly stupid idea. Next let's do Jurassic Park the musical, or maybe 'Wrestlemania on Ice'!!! Yasss People Yasss! WrestleMania on ice, but with 'representation'...
I had watched the Joker, and definitely will be watching this one 💯🔥
Sometimes when critics slammed the Movie and it end up a good movie, I am in for it
I think thats why its important for us to form our own opinions. Really enjoyed the first movie and liked the diffrent approach!
A musical and a courtroom drama? Why not add a cop buddy film as well as the mafia and nazis while doing a bank heist? Friggin hollywood.
I have loved the first movie and do not plan on seeing the second one but honestly comic book accurate Joker is 100 % a musical and courtroom drama character. He is a flamboyant fuck.
Joker 1 was a GOAT movie because it had a message and was daring. If Joker 2 is in another completely different style it is not going perform well at all. This is like Zelda 2, Actraiser 2 etc sometimes people fucking love different shit but other times they just do not want or cannot handle it.
@TheSteveTheDragon Alan Tudyk parodied this sort of thing in his Con Man series when they were casting a new television show called CopLawyerDoctor about a police officer who is also an attorney and a medic.
stopped trusting reviews, but I enjoy when they are indecisive... to me it means that it will be more artistic than another cookie cutter which what we really need in hollywood right now
That’s one of the biggest reasons why no matter what I respect this version of the joker. It’s like a gateway for people that only watch blockbuster to appreciate more than just one type of movie
Joker as a musical is a top 5 worst idea ever.
i absolutely cannot stand lady gaga. i think this is a pass for me.
Same
She’s a good actress actually
Your loss
Her music is hot garbage, but she was great in that House of Gucci. It's funny how some artists are more enjoyable when they're outside their regular medium.
Same
I don’t care what people say, I’ll watch Megalopolis and Joker 2 with my own eyes and judge by myself. The internet is getting filled with clickbait polarizing comments “the worst film of the year”, “atrocious” etc. no objectivity, no balance, no intellectual approach. Every comment seems to be written by frustrated 15 year old kids.
I told everybody lada gaga will ruin this movie! IDC how bad she wanted it. These types of legacies need talent and method acting nothing more.
Joker 1 "I'm 14 and this is deep"
Joker 2 " pretentious art school kid"
What’s the difference?
no, thanks. 1 is enough.
Yesterday when I read all the reviews I found I was feeling so disappointed. I am looking forward to this film for so long now and I was so afraid that it might not be good somehow. And then reading this reviews telling me it would be a waste of time and stuff was really hard, somehow I took it even personally haha. But now seeing your video and reading the comments below I just remembered even if not everybody likes it or even people find it really bad, it does not matter so much. I am so sure I will find beauty in it, maybe a beauty not accessable to everyone. Maybe its a different beauty, differently told than to the other film had, but that's okay. Because I love Joaquins acting, I love Gagas acting, I like the chemistry the had in the trailer already. I am looking forward!
I wouldn't take it personal because movies are meant to be subjective and that's the beauty of it. Just because critics or anyone else doesn't like something you love doesn't invalidate it!
I hope people still give this movie a shot even if it isn't their cup of tea. But I really respect this movie because this might be a way for a lot of people to expand their film palate.
Listen Komrade, as long as you see the beauty in it, and it resonates with you.... Thats all that matters.
Looking forward to hearing what you think about the film when it comes out
I remember the first film being polarizing aswell. I literally had friends tell me that if you like the movie you might be a psycho lmao. I on the other hand watched it about 30 times. Can't wait for this.
Yes, I remember that too. That's the beauty of movies, some people will love it, other will hate it. Im really excited for this one!
The problem with Joker isn't its content and themes, but how well they were done. And they weren't done well. Criticism of the film based solely on that stuff is largely a red herring, as better and more critically acclaimed films featuring these have been made.
With how much Joker 2 is getting thrashed, I don't see how The Wild Robot isn't considered movie of the year.
First they name it "Folie A Deux" and I'm like, ugh. That sounds artsy fartsy. Then it's revealed to be a musical. I friggin HATE musicals! Then they premier it at the Venice Film Festival. Oh yeah, that lays my fears to rest. The first movie cost 50 mil. They spent 200 mil on this sequel. Which apparently, mostly takes place in Arkham Asylum. Bro! WTF is going on wiith this movie?!
The opinion of a true philistine.
"sounds artsy". Well, it is art, not just repetitive explosions and fight scenes.. So there's that. But it's just French. Maybe it's high brow entertainment, maybe step up your expectations for what is entertaining
@@JamesHigroundMagic If you've never heard a movie being critiqued as "artsy fartsy." Then maybe you should sit this one out. It's called reading the the room. This a Joker movie. Not "Les Miserables."
@@JamesHigroundMagic Lmao Fraud Phillips does not make “highbrow entertainment” movies, that hack can never be Scorsese
The first Joker was not Great, Sorry..Yes I said it.
You are absolutely correct, and if I may say so, too generous with how you worded it.
“Not great” is generous considering the quality of that movie
@@wet-read 💯
How many reviewers liked Joker 2019?
I just had to comment and say that I love how you both talk about this and break down what different people said. I've never watched you guys before, but here you both do it in a purely analytical, unemotionally-charged way. I was pleasantly surprised as that's not generally the way of the internet, especially when this is mostly speculation.
Komrade! Much love and thank you for the comment!
I think it’s important to not be super critical of something we didn’t get the chance to see yet. But listening to different perspectives is fun to do!
I’m glad pick up on something so subtle! We take pride in that so THANK YOU!
Hail KAYLEX
Nah this film is brilliant i know it. Joaquin and Todd wouldn't have done it if it was bullshite.👍🏻🃏 Joaquin makes great films.
I agree. And even if the story ends up being trash... I can tell you right now, just from the trailers alone... The cinematography is going to be AMAZING!
This is a different level of filmmaking from a technical level alone. Even in trying to find a natural way to add the musical numbers
Nah, it´s a turd.
Probably failed because they chose lady gaga as Harley Quinn
Bro her performance was praised by critics & they complained she wasn't in it enough. She is not the problem here.
The embargo doesn’t apply to everyone. Some outlets like THR get permission to print reviews early.
People ignored it and went to letterboxed and Twitter. Those weren't on THR or any of the major trades.
@@kaylex3 regular folks who go to screenings don’t sign embargos. Those are just for press.
It's a commercial movie. They saw the dancing in original was popular. Money men wanted more money. Dance monkeys
Tbh thr movie should never have a sequel but then again MONEY
Nice clickbait. The first movie was divisive too. I’m sure Gaga killed it. There is always going to be someone who is mad. That’s what Joker is about
This is not joker.
You can change the name to auther and no one would notice.
@@tn420animations9 uh oh guys the joker police is here!
Not that not what that joker is about smh pick up a comic please.
@@denniscool6224 so don’t watch it you wanna cry about it so much
You've got to give credit to Joaquin Pheonix for acting this type of role, only a well-experienced actor can pull it off.
Well, today it's at 63 % and "fresh".
The commercial looks whack, not hard to see its gonna suck, come on, a musical? Lady gagas gagging got to all on set
If the reviews for this film weren’t mixed I would be worried
Looking forward to seeing it for myself tbh!
I never pay attention to critic ratings, they only care about woke agendas and messaging. It’s audience rating that’s worth paying attention to. I can’t wait to see this.
Agreed!
@@williammora88first one was great
Critics probably just wanted a female lesbian Joker.. so as a compromise they decided ok we'll do a male Joker but when he gets with Harley we'll just make it super gay with a bunch of musical action.
Not all critics are like that. Quit generalizing.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 Movie critics 1000% are. They are notorious for being out of touch with what “normal” people enjoy in movies. I’m hate it for you that you find this fact offensive.
Good discussion guys. Based on those reviews I predict that the film will be good but might suffer from not having anything meaningful to say or add on top of the original. Liked and subbed
Much love Komrade! We're thinking the same thing. Its an interesting choice making it a musical which also helps make it its own type of comicbook movie. Always open to when filmmakers try something thats a bit out there. Thats what makes movies fun.
I have been skeptical about about this sequel but now hearing it's a musical and I'm even more concerned. But it could simply be a preference of mine. I'd prefer it's not a musical but maybe that's my only issue. I plan to go see it.
Yes, We have early tickets... looking forward to seeing if this really works or not!
Joker 2 doesn’t exist. This is just a Joke
This has the same vanity project feel as Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn movie. This is going to be one big dream sequence TV episode in movie form.
How does Joker 2 feel like a vanity project?
@@kaylex3 it's apparently a musical! Big tip-off.
I love the Harley Quinn movie I'm probably going to love this too 😁👍
I don't see how the recent Harley Quinn actresses are strictly doing this as vanity projects. You might as well say the Phoenix is doing it for the same reason.
Maybe i can enjoy it as a Song and Dance but have a feeling that making a sequel like that to a Joker(original), makes me scratch my head...
It feels like making Holiday Special after Star Wars original(1978)
Why can't film industry make a consistent things these days...
I don’t do musicals so it doesn’t matter if it were to be the best film of all time. I don’t got time for that.
Lol damn give it a chance… but I understand
Facts. I hate musicals
They want to make it horrible on purpose. They have to ruin the story after seeing how great Joker was received by the "wrong" people.
This Gaga person likes franchise killers.
Yeah let’s blame the one character that the critics universally praised in the movie and ignore the fact that Todd was the director. Your sexism is showing, it’s always the woman’s fault right?
@@Thin_Mercury ia 'woman'? Really...? She/he absolutely ruined 'a star is born'(one of the worst movies ever made). Stick to voice modulated radio jingles pls.
@@michaelrichter8204 Calm down and stop making up nonsense please. You have no idea what you are talking about incel
This movie was only made because some people want to see Yaquin Phoenix kissing a man.
@@Thin_Mercury are you expecting a yes?
Hopeless optimism
The advertising for this film is awful. It's a musical. The average human does not like musicals.
I used to be in choir and I love to sing and I can't stand musicals! In fact when that trailer from that Wicked movie came out my wife wanted to see it. As soon as she found out it was a musical she was like F-that!
I knew Gaga would ruin this
It's too bad she doesn't use her real name as an actress. Lady Gaga just sounds stupid.
Her performance has been praised by critics and they complained she was not in it enough, she is not the issue here
Oscsr Worthy vs Gore Worthy by October 2024.
Joker Follie at Deux vs Terrifier 3.
Joaquin Phoenix/Joker vs Art the Clown/David Thornthon
lol I’m hearing T3 is going to be AN EVENT!
Turned it into a musical. No thanks 😂
The movie is bad. Just watched at the fan screening last night I hated it. If you like any aspect of the first one, it’s completely absent from part 2. Should’ve stayed a standalone film.
IDGAF about reviews. That first trailer was fire, and I'm pretty hyped to see it. I liked the first movie, I like musicals, and I like interesting genre concepts. I'm anticipating a good time in the theater.
It's different. It's a tragedy. It's a fantasy that dies. There are lots of universes of Joker. This is one of them. It kind of moved me. Left an impact. I'd say watch it regardless of what people say. Have your own opinion on this and keep it. Some of you will love it, some of you will hate it.
Tbf I thought the first one was an edgy whingefest full of mediocre writing, a sequel to that and it’s a musical? Waste of time for me personally 😂
It’s legit just taxi driver with clown makeup
Hey that’s valid criticism
don't let this guy state another opinion
I’m not watching a musical
Okay????
A "musical" based on a comic-book super-villain - a psychopathic, homicidal, madman that is the dark knight's arch nemesis...?
TRASH
Ok
Your people generally can't enjoy them anyways
I'll admit Todd Phillips makes great dramas other than his usual comedy films but him doing sequels isn't really a strong suit for him like the hangover sequels are a recycle from it's predecessor.
When it comes to opinions on films. Its not just an objective or subjective medium. Rhats why we watch an judge it on what aspects of the film we like and how well done the acting and story was told.
I get what you’re getting at… It’s your own opinion though so that’s what’s gonna make it subjective. It’s an art.
The only hope is that people you consider your tribe agree. But it’s also ok if you’re alone in your opinion
Yeah, and that is what movie critics are literally paid to do, and they usually if not always come to the table with more knowledge and insights than the average viewer. And they are crapped on so long as they don't praise a film people happen to like. I like films I wouldn't say are good, let alone masterpieces. Conversely, there are films I think are praised too highly. Whatever. At the end of the day, opinions are subjective even as objective criteria can be cited and interpreted in various ways.
Going to be honest…. It was fucking great. I hate people destroying it for no reason.
"omg theyre singing boooo" seriously... and these comic book nerds want movies to be 1:1 copies. the masses hate art...
@@lmCailloujoker being diddled at the end of the film was fire
@@lmCaillou facts.
@@scizopenguin Diddy or Diddle?
I think people who give boring/dull reviews were the kind of people who said grappling and wrestling in an MMA fight as boring.
LMFAO! Those people URK MY EFFFIN SOUL 😂😂😂
Big part of them is not understanding the grappling. Just like reviewers not understanding the film... you made a great analogy
@@kaylex3 But damn it I just read somewhere this movie ended in a way that the last thing how everyone want it ends.
Lady gaga isnt unexperienced in acting. She did a great job on a star is born. And there was music, but it wasnt really a musical, and she acted really well in that movie.
IGN is about as trusted as a source as a random street dealer in a foreign country.
Hollywood only wants to make huge movies if it can shoehorn a message down you throat. It tried with the first Joker but left it open to interpretation and the audience didn't get the full message. This time they'll keep all ambiguity out of it and tell you exactly what they think you should think. Thats why these movies based on properties are hit and miss, those who can elevate the source to a new level win, those who use it as a chance to inject a message just make people indifferent. Is it entertaining enough to watch over and over again? I seriously doubt it. But maybe the music can save it for those who fast forward through repeat viewings.
I think I wouldn't recommend watching this movie, reading the synopsis is probably good enough. And I would recommend thinking about the story which imo is thematically genius and a tragedy. It's actually kind of like Undertale in the way that the player or in this case the viewer is a character in it, I strongly believe the first film is actually followed up on perfectly, not contradicted. But like Arthur, you the audience were emotionally manipulated into thinking that he was the Joker.
The Joker is like this spirit that possesses many different people, the "Joker Moment" is a thing that pulls in many individuals who want to circumvent social norms in times where we believe we are unjustly treated. But realistically Joker 2 is what would happen IRL if Joker 2019 happened. Someone like Arthur isn't going to go on to be Batman's adversary. In the interview scene we actually see he wants to be better but society keeps kicking him down and he temporarily snapped. But now everyone (including us) was inspired by his Joker moment and they kinda want to see how it would be if he kept going down that path. And we even convince him that that's who he really is but later after even worse abuse he realises that he can't keep doing that. Arthur really wouldn't be able to handle staying as the Joker. The scene with the guards just before they do the unspeakable to him really solidifies this, Mark Hamill's Joker would probably laugh and crack jokes as they do that but Arthur has already got trauma from that so he just can't.
He's fundamentally a good person that just had a really bad life, unlike how you'd have to be to continue being the Joker forever. Batman's adversary is not someone who has empathy, it's more like the self admitted psychopath we see at the end of the movie who will likely be inspired by Arthur's Joker moment to become the (first) actual Joker in that universe.
This story isn't about the Joker the individual but rather about how society mistreats the mentally ill, i.e. this individual who is forced to use the power of the Joker and the Joker specifically because of what the Joker means to people as a symbol in real life.
Just saw it. Really good. Not quite as good as the first. But a very worthy sequel
Spot on! Similar thoughts here… we’re dropping a vid on this tomorrow
Lot of people said the 1st one was bad too.
Almost seems like some of those reviews are fabricated to push a personal perspective...
Quite excited to see it now.. Dozens of reviews out now, positive reviews with a little Logic in em are starting to outnumber the derpy IGN-type scores...
(we all know IGN scores are just bought and paid for these days anyways, fake AF)
🃏
Definitly looking forward to forming my own opinion on the movie.
In this day and age if critics like it I don't
Honestly, I don’t trust critics, they are too judgmental now these days.
I forgot it was coming out. I'll pass on this.
We don't blame you! It seems like a lot of people are feeling this way. Still hoping this movie can do well
you've earned a like for me with your choice to wear that B-E-A-utiful YU YU Hakusho shirt lol
no way its better than long legs. nic cage did better than joker
DC marketing strategy: Shoves Harley Quinn into everything and hopes for the best.
I'm sick of her honestly
You seek to destroy Gotham?! For its weakness! For its fear! For its failures, time and time again! I am Gotham. Strike me down. What I'm getting at is I am disciplined for modernist city's I won't cause them premeditated to cause another crises of infinite earth's and don't get me STARTED on the praises they bring confusing dismay.
Awful, nothing but the abuse Author Fleck, and the Joker never showed up.
The only way to redeem it is to make a third movie and have the Joker take over when “Fleck” dies.
Also, don’t make the Joker a guy who finally snaps on the Rape Bros and bullies and expect people NOT to identify with him. The first one made sense from that perspective, this was meandering garbage.
Live action DC films been shit for the last 10 years
Definitely passing on this. Flash was DCs last chance to make me care about their projects
It’s under new management with a fresh slate so I’m still curious to see what they have next
Sequels are always compared to the original and barely never live up, cus the first was more groundbreaking or we just expect too much or too much critic hype? Who knows with sequels
Gotta watch with an open mind preferably when it’s streaming first free
Im going to watch this in theaters before more people tell me their ideas on the film. If you think about it, this movie is probably pushing more boundaries than the first movie considering its a comic book movie, that's also focused on prestige, and also trying to tell a dark and gritty story while its a musical, to an audience of what will be mostly men.
The first one already had heavy Scorsese influences , we've seen that type of film before
Its a big risk, I kind of respect that. Who knows this movie can open the avenue for people to watch more movies outside of just Blockbusters.
Well. After seeing it. I can say...expectations have been subverted. And that's not good.🥴 But I will further clarify. If you are looking for something to watch purely carried on drama enhanced actor performances. Then oh boy has this movie got you covered. But if you are looking to indulge in virtually anything else for viewer entertainment. Then this film will not sway you in the very least.😅
Big surprise, it has Gaga in it and it's a musical so it's going to focus on her, - that people actually thought it had a chance at being good is sort of funny to me.
it does not focus on her, she is a minor character in the grand scheme of things which was a complaint critics had because they wanted to see her more
@@Theodre_Verany well it releases in just under 3 weeks.
Let's see who is right shall we me or you?
If I'm wrong I'll come back here and admit it to you.
Are you gonna do the same if you're wrong?
@@UncensoredScion She's not gonna be the main character, critic reviews have already said she is not. There is nothing to come back and admit
@@Theodre_Verany So that's a "no I don't"
well SOMEONES scared.
@@UncensoredScion I’m not scared, if every single critic said she was not the main character, I am pretty confident she is not. It’s not rocket science buddy
I can't wait to hear the Joker singing. 🎉 Again (C'est la Vie!)
Having not seen the movie yet, I’m assuming this takes place mostly in one of the characters minds. Hence why people say it was a waste of time. It’s all fake
I just watched it and it freaking sucks. Performance was good but story line was episode one boring. I kept waiting for it to get better but it didn’t. I literally almost walked out then the end happened. Now I wish I walked out sooner.
I don’t know why they had to choose Lady Gaga for Harley Quinn, I think Gaga is annoying as hell but I do think it would’ve been a great opportunity if they chose an actress we’ve never seen before
Because the producers of A Star is born are the producers of this
Personally, I like lady Gaga. However, I cannot see her as Harley Quinn, not because she's bad or anything I just don't think she has the vibe. Imo, Margot Robbie was the perfect Harley, she had the accent and the psychotic vibe and I don't think Gaga can follow that
Suddenly become musical?! hellnaw
This movie did not need a sequel, but Americans have a gift at milking the f out of everything.
the ending bruh wtf 70$ for this shit
This movie is gonna be trash. Knew that soon as I heard it was a musical
Lol I’m still going to give it a chance before I make that judgement
NOW IT'S A 17 MINUTE STANDING OVATION?!!!!!😳
Last week it was 11.
I dare anyone to stand up, clap, cheer and maybe stomp your feet FOR THREE MINUTES.
How many people would make the first 90 secs before their hands got sore or they just felt stupid?
Hey, why don't you guys start the STANDING OVATION CHALLENGE?!!!!! 🤣
Anyway, Joker 1 got and deserved all the accolades it earned.
I checked out the minute Joker 2 THE MUSICAL was announced.
So they can applaud til their hands fall off for all I care.
Another opportunity WASTED!!!
Gaga fans love to inflate her
So guys I will speak firsthand . I have seen the film and I will not go into full detail but I will say DO NOT LISTEN TO CRITICS. When I saw the film and then read some of the reviews I can 100% understand why some don’t and probably won’t like this movie . It is very BOLD AND RAW. We live in a very sensitive society and I will tell you now, this film is going to rub some people the wrong way 100% . Me personally LOVED it and we need more films like this in cinema
can’t wait to watch!! We got early tickets, this movie looks like bare minimum the cinematography will be gorgeous!
worst place to premiere a movie like this....I have no doubt this is going to be amazing.
I mean ... at least critics aren't saying this movie will encourage ppl to be violent like when the first one came out. To me, it seems like the musical Chicago, but dark and gritty for the fellas
Yeah I dont like how some journalist were trying to paint that narrative when the first movie dropped. But I agree. This one is going to be fun
I never trust reviews. Im gonna watch this movie and I will form my own opinion if I like the movie or not. I watched the first one and I liked it. It was different from the other Joker's on screen but it was its own thing and I like Jaquin's portrayal of the Joker. Jack Nicoltson's Joker and Heath Ledger's Joker are still my favorite version's.
It’s always important for us to form our own opinions. I agree.
Can’t wait to watch this one! There can be more than one version and we can love all of them!
This is gonna be a view yourself movie, right now Phenox is in hot water and studios are mad he dropped some roles. Hollywood might be looking to make an example of him and mess with promotion and "reviews"
I’m hoping that’s not the case! But yeah I have my early ticket, looking forward to it
I really liked the first one, I rarely watch films more than once and I've seen it 3 times. I just don't like musicals...
The only thing that takes me out of the story quicker, than the cast suddenly bursting into song and dance. Is a screaming baby in the movie theater. God I fvcking hate musicals!
Sounds like a disaster
Looks a bit too artsy fartsy for me. I absolutely loathe musicals. I'll still go see it. Hopefully it's good but im not holding my breath.
First one was an easy 5 stars. The trailer makes the sequel look like a 2. I hope I'm wrong 🙏 🤞
Yeah, I have my early ticket I’m going to give this one a chance
Nah first one was so damn good! Bro had a winning formula and fucked it up with a musical 💀
I haven’t seen the second one yet, so I can’t say he messed it up because of a musical.
I can say however that doing that is a bold choice and I’d love to see how it plays out
Facts
The first Joker movie wasnt that good
TRASH that’s going to destroy the original. Anyone saying there is hope, read the leaked script. The sequel should’ve kept the same TONE at least. Dumpster fire territory.
Let's see if dc can break it's sequels curse. Aquaman was a success, then aquaman 2 was a failure. Shazam was a success then both black adam and shazam 2 ended up becoming failures. Suicide squad was a success then both birds of prey and the suicide squad ended up becoming failures as well. Wonder woman was a success and then wonder woman 2 was a failure. Joker was a success, following the track record it's safe to say joker 2 will be a failure as well, however i will let time be the judge of that.