Bats problem with making people prove they are disabled is they have to prove it. Fraud and fakes always punish the real ones and it should never do so. Tell people to stop faking.
@@wristdisabledwriter2893 Good luck with that. When Compaq built a facility near Houston thy installed soda machines that dispensed soda for free. But they had to start charging for soda since some of the employees were videoed as they loaded up on soda to take home. The point is that people will always screw up a good thing if you let them for selfish reasons. Some lady just loves her baby and can't be separated from it. But what about the store employee who has to clean up the dog crap on the floor in the changing room? Service animals don't do such things.
That store looks like a quick stop, she probably would have been in and out in a couple of mins. Why would you push the issue of if the dog was a service dog or not. I doubt the dog will do much damage in 2 mins. I ran a small store like this for 35 years. The avg customer time was less than a min. Refusing service just because they have a pet with them in your store for a min or 2 is just stupid. Now it's going to cost you $60000.
You see, but it isn't "a challenge to determine whether an animal is a legitimate service animal." The ADA requires the only information you can ask a person are the two questions you provided - and it is true there is no documentation that exists. However, service animals that are acting unruly, aggressive, or otherwise appear to be untrained in that they are leaving their handler for non-work/tasks can be asked to leave the premises. You can tell when a pet comes in vs when a service animal comes in based on their demeanor.
I was in agreement with you until your last sentence! If a animal performs the tasks for someone disabled then they are a service animal, period. If they are a service animal that does not behave then you are right they can be asked to leave but that does not mean they are not a service animal.
Yes! Most people forget that buisness can ask any ill mannerd dog to leave regardless if it is a service animal or not. This is what is stated to protect the businesses. It is everyones responsibility to control ones animals, regardless of situation. I am not saying that is what this situation is about however. This soinds like the store was just wrong and the dogs did nothing to warrent being asked to leave.
@@eliicd303 That may be well and good but according to the ADA, there is no federally mandated training program or documentation/registry for service dogs.
Fine, your sight is impaired and he wants to hold your dog outside. Let him do that and when you go in knock everything you can touch over. Trash the place. Not your fault
But then we have the lady who, claiming her pit bull is a service animal, brings it in the store (Target, where my wife works) where the dog is threatening customers and actually lunging at one customer? The lady was such a jerk that the police had to be called. Real service animals do NOT behave that way. We need a way to certify real service animals.
The bottom line is that it is more imperative to ensure that all legit service animals are allowed access than it is to keep fakes out, even if that means a few fakes slip in as well. And there are already provisions for a business to remove any animal that is misbehaving, whether they are an outright fake or just a poorly or incompletely trained SA. So trying to proactively guess at it and limit access on a "just in case" basis is entirely inexcusable.
Easy solution: Ask if it's a service dog. If the person says yes and the service dog causes financial loss or loss of business, you hold the owner accountable. A police investigation will determine if they were lying. Liars should be put in jail.
To Duck Stop Mart: You either let people with disabilities into your store with their service animals or your business will be shut down forever for this violation of both the law and the Americans with Disabilities Act.
This - this needs to be the reaction of authorities. Too many cops and authorities just shrug and say it is a civil matter. The other side needs to be even stiffer penalties for people who fake a pat as a service dog.
I bet they won’t deny service to a person with a service dog again! This is an exceptional case. Most of these stories, the business no consequences other than bad publicity.
Now.... it sounds like they did the same thing during the investigation. the guy said they found "undoubtable proof". clearly the store was tested under scrutiny and failed...to let a service dog in again. during an investigation operation to see if service dogs were indeed not allowed in.
Thinking more about this: my wife uses a wheelchair to get around. Would this business owner think he could legally refuse her entry into the store? A wheelchair is a medical device, just as a service dog is.
Requiring certification documents for service animals will result in higher taxes to pay for the increased bureaucracy and probably higher a cost to obtain service animals.
The store in this video is no longer in operation because the manager of the store decided to discriminate against a legally blind woman with a truly trained service dog.
In fact, dog guides already go through a certification process. The reporter is mistaken. I can't speak to other service dogs. I do know that, whether for guiding the blind or other purpose, the dog handler is required to ensure that the dog (or micro horse, in the case of guide animal) is clean and well- behaved. The required bathing/grooming regimen is specified and taught to the recipient of the dog guide during the hperson's training with the dog. This cleaning includes daily brushing, daily tooth brushing, weekly bathing, nail grooming and sometimes expression of the dog's anal glands. Also, the dog guide handler (blind person) is required to run the dog through its basic obedience training and guide training frequently. Finally, all recipients of dog guides from established training schools (Leader Dogs for the Blind, Pilot Dogs, Seeing Eye and Guide Dogs for the Blind) carry identification that shows that their dog is certified. Now you know.
A certification program isn't required for service animals. The existence of groups that do provide certification doesn't mean that certification is required, and there is no official certification. That's why stores can't require proof of certification. People are allowed to train their own service dogs. Most people can't afford $50,000 for a professionally trained service dog.
As a business owner, who cares if the dog is a legit service animal or not. Invite them in, serve them, take their money. Let the whole fake service dog thing be someone else's issue. If the dog isn't disruptive or running wild, then let it go. If it is a wild dog, then it is not a service animal.
I would recommend that any store owner that even thinks about telling a disabled person that they can’t have their service dog the disability may not be Visible and you have no right to ask me anything you need to watch the dog if the dog is like really if he sniffing people get Owen like a dog will go back and straight to the crotch of most people! Then you can ask if the dog is a service animal but if he’s got a vest on and the dog is right there by its own or you need to get over your phobia
there is a article dating back from February stating the fine was upheld against the business they could choose to appeal but there isnt a point to appeal as there is multiple people stating the business is in the wrong
To the store owner in this video: You are willing to violate the policies and procedures of the store you own, violate the Americans with Disabilities Act, violate the state law, violate the federal law, and violate the Constitution of the United States and America by appealing the lawsuit. If you appeal the lawsuit against you, the judge is going to dismiss it and have you placed behind bars for discrimination.
Laura C....totally agree. my service dog NEVER jumps up on people. Doesn't bark, bark, bark. Well behaved and trained. And as you know, unruly dogs anywhere can be aggrevating or disruptive. peace.
However, a "Service Dog" while it should not jump up nor bark, it MAY do so and that is not grounds for denial of service. THAT is a sad situationthat simply allows morons to claim their pet or untrained "Service Dog" is legit!
It should be allowed that owners of service dogs, and miniature horses to show the Legal license of legitimate service animals, or as long as the collars and or vests are very obvious. The owner can also learn to recognize what are and aren't service animals, by how they react. Then the owner of the establishment can call the police on the 'fake service animal' owner.
It doesn't matter if some ROTTEN liars perpetrate a fraud with their dog...THE LAW IS CLEAR...bet this store owner wishes he / she had followed this FEDERAL LAW
When state budgets are in the $billions it wouldn't cost too much for each state to fund their own system of certification that *has* to be accepted by all other states. Tax increases (if applied) couldn't be more than a couple of pennies per capita. Even owner trained animals could simply be tested for a nominal fee to be accepted and issued with a 'certificate of competency'. It's only the inertia and incompetency of the bureaucracy that's in the way of such a system.
Why should I as an owner trained service dog handler have to pay to register my service dog? Do people who use wheelchairs have to pay to register their chairs in order to take them into stores? Service dogs are considered medical equipment.
@@amanofmanyparts9120 doesn’t matter. Under law they are classified as medical equipment. So long as the dog is not causing a problem they are to be treated the same as a wheelchair.
Why in the world would someone who doesn't need a SD want to bring a dog into a business in the first place? Get around the rules? For what advantage? Is it trained to steal a loaf of bread? I'm all for service animals, and don't understand the "logic" of someone wanting a "fake" SD.
1950Grendel I saw a video some time ago with a woman who admitted lying about her dog being a service dog, even paying for “certifications” she knew were false. SMH
these are people paid to ruin the common man who owns a small business. why? Because corporations are in cahoots with globalists who want to run your life and be the masters of all people
@peter collins That you do not understand the plight of the small business man tells me loads about your reasoning abilities and as well the lack of a good education your family chose for you
The Duck Service Store needs to be shut down and the staff and manager should be retrained in how to help their customers both with AND without disabilities.
Personally I think just use most of the same standards that they use for driving. This way it will be fair to everyone plus a basic obedience test to see that it can behave in public. I don't see why there should be any problems with creating such a system.
Too many moving parts and the potential for MASSIVE issues. Simple to know and follow the ADA. Businesses can ask a legit service dog to leave if it not under control, is aggressive or 'goes' in the business. It can also restrict putting the dog in a shopping cart or merch trolly.
People faking service dogs is disgusting. Try taking a cane or wheelchair away. Real service dogs are medical necessities. Emotionally support dogs are not service animals
I don’t have a service dog, but I am blind, and I use a cane. Sometimes I will get store employees who say things like, I will hold your cane for you. Just take my arm instead. They say they are afraid that I will knock stuff over it with my cane or they are afraid that I will bump into somebody with it
Wow! That is spectacularly dumbfounding to hear. What is your response when people say they can just lead you with their arm? Seems like that would be a bigger liability for a business if you then tripped and fell after relying on an employee who thinks they can just lead you through crowded isles. A complete lack of respect for your personal space and autonomy.
I respect service dogs, however, the dog needs to be well groomed and cared for. The dog needs to be properly harnessed and their person must be completely responsible for their behavior.
I'm with you on most of that, but 'properly harnessed?' The ADA actually states that the dog does not need to be wearing any specific gear.. not even a leash wrap or a vest. It is entirely up to the handler's discretion whether or not to put identifying markers on their dogs. I understand that it may make the dog harder to identify as 'not just a pet' but if you are in a non-pet friendly environment, it's probably safe to assume that any dog you see is a SD. If you have concerns regarding the dog's behavior, you can report it to an employee.. SDs are not, by law, allowed to pee on merchandise or menace other customers. (for the US, anyway)
Case in point. I am blind, and am just getting accustomed to meeting people with other disabilities who use service dogs. I was in a clinic when I encountered a woman with a service dog. Not to be invasive, just to be friendly I asked "Is that your guide dog?" She calmly replied that no, it was her emotional support dog. The dog smelled horrible. It was well behaved, but I could tell that it hadn't been groomed nor bathed in a long while. I didn't want to cause emotional stress for the woman, but I thought to myself...."This is a medical clinic, and all I can smell is dog (feces). How can this be allowed?" Most blind friends I have who use guide dogs keep their animals absolutely clean. I am also aware that numerous people I have encountered claim to be using service dogs, but it is obvious to me that the dogs are untrained, as they are easily distracted, bark needlessly, sniff bystanders and the like. So how does one know?
@@M11969 Wow. That's news to me, as some commenters here have stated that emotional support animals are indeed covered by the ADA. I think that airlines permit emotional support animals on flights. I will say this, and this is a blind man writing...the increasing prevalence of service animals had made it very difficult for blind folks. Not to seem insensitive (and I'm sure that I will), I can't take a tranquilizer etc. to lead me through public spaces. Many people push the envelope as far as acceptability...the elderly lady with her unleashed, unharnessed "emotional support cat," or the guy with his "emotional support parrot." I have had negative interactions with people, including the blind, who do not care for nor control their animals. I was recently being seen at a medical clinic and encountered a woman with a dog in harness. I asked her if the dog was a guide dog, blind brotherhood and all. She replied no, that it was her emotional support dog. I gently suggested to her that, if she was going to bring the animal into a medical clinic, that the dog should be clean and groomed; it was not. I was harshly criticized by a nearby nurse for "upsetting" the woman. BTW, she didn't appear to be upset; she told me to mind my own business. Well, sorry lady... if you have a dirty animal that smells like dog crap in a medical clinic, it *is* my business. Finally, users of dogs and other animals, particularly on public transportation need to be aware that some people are either allergic to their animals or are frightened by them; this is another reason why the animal needs to be scrupulously groomed, clean and well- behaved. End of sermon, go in peace.
There is legally no registration for service dogs and if u have registration there no legal stand point in court with documentation bc it’s not required per the Ada
It's illegal for any businesses to deny a service animal access or even suggest such a thing. It's also illegal to try and separate a disabled dog handler from their service dog. It's like saying to that same blind person "I need your cane, give it to me!"!
It may be she has a guide dog and a medical alert dog. Some service dogs alert when their human is about to have a seizure, or faint, asthma attack, etc.
I know this is an old conversation but it is likely that one is setting to retire and one is in training to take over. Best teacher is the dog who's been doing it for years. My guess is by now retired dog is tits up in a sun beam while new dog goes to do errands.
Wait.... Does she have two guide dogs with her? What's her other service dog for? I didn't know someone could have two service dogs working with them at once... I've only had one with me.
yes they can actually, its really cool theyre called tandem teams. If someone has a disability that requires two service sogs or multiple disabilities that just one cant cover then theyll sometimes get a tandem team (:
I have on occasion taken my dog in training out with my current service dog, it does cause questions but most places have no problem as long as the dogs are well behaved and attended to.
These problems with certifying service animals could all be solved. It would probably require a federal licensing of trainers and a certification card issued to service animal owners. My wife works at Target and watched a woman's so called "service dog" threaten and actually lunge at customers. No actual service dog will ever behave this way. Target security ran her off but she and her dog caused so much trouble in the parking lot that police had to be called. These are the sort of people that make things difficult for everyone. So many people try to pass their dogs off as service animals that it's necessary that we go to a lot of trouble to preserve the ability of people who actually need these animals to utilize them. These troublemakers really need to try to dredge up a little compassion and stop being so self centered.
This would be an expense for disabled people who are already trying to live off disability funds. I trained my own dog to do what I need her to do. Why should I be forced to get "certified"? As others have said service dogs are easy to spot.... so are fake ones if you use your brain.
Nope, bc then it gets into accessing people's legally protected (medical) privacy rights and causes exorbitant costs that most people with disabilities can't afford... among other things.
@@tammyrawdon3587 I don't think that would be an issue since you would be licensing the animal and not the owner. No medical records should be needed to implement a program of giving certifications to the service animal. That way a retailer could allow access to certified service animals only. But it would be much better if people would just stop being so ridiculous about their pets. But we all know that's not going to happen.
Just as you become a police officer a service dog should have a badge showing they are as service dog what's so hard about that ??people need to realize just because you bond with your dog don't make him a service dog..
Michelle Charlton well u can have multiple...for me i have 2. They do different things...like one can go get help, another can do dpt..sometimes one dog knows something the other doesnt...so yes someone can have multiple..
@@cielonehellofaservicedog4648 and sometimes when one is getting older and can't get around as well the first helps train the second by showing what should be done by way of a good example.
I still can't see why there is not a central register, just like a driving licence. If they require a services animal documents are sent, they receive a card, or a tag for the animal which can then be used as evidence in cases where a business owner might be concerned. I know people might say that it discriminates, but a tag on the animal is fairly uninvasive. It would also be a way to quickly check if for any reason there was questionable behaviour. As always it is the people whom falsify service animal equipment and needs thats leads to the need to question and the need to find an inoffensive solution to resolve such issues as those in the video.
Service dogs temperament is so easy to tell. My dog hasn't been in training long. Did not sniff food in a grocery store listens to commands. I told him to sit and wait and stepped away to look at prices and he didn't move an inch. He stayed focused when a kid was like doggy!!!!! Like it ain't hard to tell.
I am disabled due to mental issues and so use a service dog that I trained myself. Since covid and because of other health issues I have do not go out as much as I used to, consequently my service dog is not always at peak performance, so to speak. She needs a refresher command now and then but still is never disruptive or reactive when on duty. She is getting old now and so I am in the process of training a replacement for her. When a walmart employee accosted me and was forced to apologize by a manager their excuse was "we are cracking down on fake service dogs". I suggested they might want to target people with unruly dogs and dogs people put in the carts. Walmart is the ONLY place I have been harassed about my dog. Assholes.
This is important to me. For years I spent time helping an established professional breeder. They would breed, train, show and sell dogs, but every buyer was carefully vetted. When exceptionally qualified pups would show they had the right stuff some were even donated to legitimate organizations. Every "service animal" should be REQUIRED to pass a standardized test given by a licensed instructor/trainer, then wear a SPECIFIC badge and harness in public. Seeing eye dogs are the most highly trained and require thorough training of dog and human subject for the desired symbiotic result. Of course that's not cheep, especially when the government makes it unnecessarily complicated. Today we have many categories of "service animals" which multiplies the confusion. I have watched far to many spoiled, selfish humans sully the honorable work of the best companion working animals God has Bless humankind with. Every time I see "service dogs" in grocery carts all dressed up in anthropomorphic costumes it makes me crazy. My first question is why did she need to have two with her in that little store ? Fined $60,000 bucks. Good Grief.
No, it's not CHEAP! And wanting to cause discrimination which is what that would be with some disabled people being able to afford it while others would not so that alone should keep that from ever being required unless you want tax payer money going to pay for every service dog every disabled person needs? There are a lot of selfish spoiled humans so we are going to punish the disabled for the selfish spoiled people in this world? As far as why some disabled people need more than one service dog maybe this will help answer your question..... Q13. Can people bring more than one service animal into a public place? A. Generally, yes. Some people with disabilities may use more than one service animal to perform different tasks. For example, a person who has a visual disability and a seizure disorder may use one service animal to assist with way-finding and another that is trained as a seizure alert dog. Other people may need two service animals for the same task, such as a person who needs two dogs to assist him or her with stability when walking.
Bottom line: even if for some reason someone did scam the business to bring their dog inside...who cares? Oh no! A DOG! Seriously, was it worth the $60,000 to be a dick?
I am very much in favor of service animals, but a $60K fine is outrageous. The store is being punished for the confusion caused by others with fake service animals.
Just because some people fake it; doesn't hold a bone in this case. This is like telling a black person " you can't shop here" because " I think" you're not really black. A form of prejudice. You couldn't tell she was blind? I don't believe it.
When someone tries to deny you access with a service dog, show them this clip, when they hear it’ll cost them $60,000 they’ll offer to be your guide dog
You can only have a dog with multi-task if they both are come from the same place... If not, so you will have as many as your problems needed! ... And not any dog of the same breed can be train, liked the others. It depends on the individual abilities of each dog.
Actually the ADA laws on service dogs is very clear. If you allow people from the public to enter or even rent a space you HAVE to allow a service dog and you can't ask any questions but what the dog was trained for. That's it. And if it's unruly don't make a scene and call the non emergency police number and tell them what is up. Just don't ever ever make a scene. Imagine if you were a war vet or rape survivor that needs that dog to not self delete...And imagine the stress they feel waiting for someone to bully them like this store owner and how hard it was for her to go out after that. If I'm a customer and I see someone doing anything similar there will be some lumps that might end up being dispensed.
yes it can happen, mini horses are good for mobility/ guide work as theyre very strong, but sometimes people with disabilities will have multiple that only one animal cant cover, sometimes theyll adopt another service animal in order to cover those its called tandem teaming and its pretty cool (:
Not every one can get a free service dog and they are just trained in obedience, and to preform task, and yes a person can get a dog or rescue dog from a shelter, train them and as long as its obedience and trained enough to preform task, like a medical alert dog, for seizures, diabetic alert dog, or PTSD to help comfort a war veterans, or anyone that has PTSD, they don't have to be trained by specific company and even if they are, only paperwork their given is that was trained by so&so inc. And vaccination record, I have my own diabetic alert dog and she carries my emergency contact information, my medical alert information, my medication to help bring my blood sugar up to normal level, and if I become unconscious, the emergency glycogen kit to mixed and shot be given to bring it up like that, or insulin, is also carried in her vest as well, I have a letter signed by my endocrinologist, saying I should have a diabetic alert dog and that I now have 1 with her name and description on the papers, my diabetes Dr signed papers. Just because you can't see a persons disabilities don't mean they don't have any, and to ask why is violation of hippa laws, and the real problems are emotional support animals are not the same thing as service dog, in fact just a pet that provides emotional support, cno training needed , a service dog that come from a training company charges 10k To 30k$ not every one can afford the cost, but as long as they are obedience trained enough and are trained enough to preform task to help save someone life or help them recover or guide, or with every day task like shopping carrying or picking up items that are all the dogs need to do that help you
Dogs? One dog is all people need. Not two. There are some rare instances where two may be needed but they perform different functions. If you need two dogs to navigate, you need more O and M training with a blind instructor. The most common tandem team are one fully trained and one in training but rarely have i seen 2 legitimate service dogs. I once saw three but they were fake after all three tried attacking someone for getting too close. It is reasonable for a store to say no if they cant accommodate both dogs. ADA says one can be left outside while the other dog stays with the owner.
@@viviannamason4883 Yes, many people have multiple issues. Say they got their first dog for one disability then as time went on they developed another problem, like seizures, then a second trained dog might be needed. Can you imagine what a hassle it must be to have to take two dogs everywhere with you?
It isn't that difficult. A hoax service dog's behaviour is generally so clearly different and use common sense. If are a manager or shop owner, it's up to you to learn about the law, advice on what to look for and to train your staff. That's not up to the service dog owner. Basic commonsense, being informed not ignorant is the best policy.
LOL serves him right! What is he going to fight back the ADA federal law. Whatever he did, or tried he lost and probably cost him more money in his attempt. 60K for a shop that small might have or did bankrupt him. Wonder if the 60K was a fine to him or the result of a lawsuit from the woman? I hope the guy learned his lesson and tried to fight with more money to attorneys. Only to lose.
My wife(who works at Target) saw a lady bring a pit bull into the store, claiming it was a service dog, that was growling and actually lunging at customers. She was told to remove her dog by security. She and her dog then began causing trouble in the parking lot. The police had to be called. So I would have to disagree with your opinion. There are dogs, and people, that need to be ran off.
I was denied access to a store who turned my service skunk away. I'm diagnosed as bat shit crazy, and have every right to go wherever I want with my animal friend. People; rise up against our alien overlords!
When someone is blind they are service dogs! Could you please cite your source for the 15 employees since you posted that! Last time I read the ADA I don't remember reading that but that does not mean it's not there.
Here's the truth is mistaken. The 15 or more employees thing is a frequently used definition of "small business", so I can see where they got it, but they are wrong.
Incorrect. Read the law again. The part about 15 or more employees is about employment requirements of prospective handicapped employees. The public accommodations section of the act makes no exception to size of business.
Why don't the owners just put a harness on the dog with their paperwork in the harness? Then anyone can just look at the dog harness and the paperwork and see that it's legit charging that little store $60,000 is very unfair
they should have a registry for those animals that are servants(that's what "service dog" really means), with an id. then a store just needs to scan that id, and immediately confirm the dog is indeed a servant.
@SCP_BrightAlt it's not YOUR id.....it's the id chip of your dog. the dog is the one who is a registered servant. also a credit card is tied to you, so while not being an id card in and of itself it IS personally identifying information....and they can scan it.
@SCP_BrightAlt but they DO have the authority to scan ids. also i'm neither white, nor a woman, nor asking for a manager.....so not a karen in any sense of the word.
Bad Spock Only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals, unless specified by your state or county government. Any animal though can be an emotional support animal which does not have the right to go into public.
I blame ada for all the headaches....I mean I can bring my dog in a store and not required to show any paperwork is the problem....everyone should have to
the ADA isn't even clear about what constitutes a disability, like do I have to be receiving disability payments to have a service dog? It says any disabled person is allowed to use a service dog. So then, how do we know what is an emotional support animal (dog) under those guidelines? Wouldn't that be the same? I have PTSD among other problems and I use my dog to navigate the world alone, her task is to comfort me when I have a panic attack but what she actually does is keep me from having one. I am on govt disability due to these problems, but The ADA does not make that very clear.
Just in case you are more concerned with the law than your own personal opinions....... Q13. Can people bring more than one service animal into a public place? A. Generally, yes. Some people with disabilities may use more than one service animal to perform different tasks. For example, a person who has a visual disability and a seizure disorder may use one service animal to assist with way-finding and another that is trained as a seizure alert dog. Other people may need two service animals for the same task, such as a person who needs two dogs to assist him or her with stability when walking. AND are you a licensed Optometrist? Since you have determined the lady is not blind but with my not being a licensed Optometrists I can confidently say that the store owner would not had been fined if she had not proven she is blind. Clearly you did not use your head on that comment!
Get Off Your Bass And Lets Fish Only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals unless specified by your state or county government. However any animal can be an emotional support animal which does not have the right to go into public.
I think the woman here should give the storeowner a break, she can drop the lawsuit if he hangs up a sign saying "no disabled customers" If is willing to do that, then she drops the lawsuit. fair deal!
Fakes shouldn’t be an excuse for denial of legit service dogs.
Bats problem with making people prove they are disabled is they have to prove it. Fraud and fakes always punish the real ones and it should never do so. Tell people to stop faking.
@@wristdisabledwriter2893 Good luck with that. When Compaq built a facility near Houston thy installed soda machines that dispensed soda for free. But they had to start charging for soda since some of the employees were videoed as they loaded up on soda to take home. The point is that people will always screw up a good thing if you let them for selfish reasons. Some lady just loves her baby and can't be separated from it. But what about the store employee who has to clean up the dog crap on the floor in the changing room? Service animals don't do such things.
The owner of that store is screwed! He will not win the laws are very clear read up on them people.
well, some people screw themselves because it feels good...until they are fined. like this store owner.
He's going to have sell a hell of a lot more illegal alcohol and cigarettes to minors to make up for the fine loss.
He’s just sour that he will be sued and wants to try to die beating the federal law. He’d lose and be laughed at walking the walk of shame.
That store looks like a quick stop, she probably would have been in and out in a couple of mins. Why would you push the issue of if the dog was a service dog or not. I doubt the dog will do much damage in 2 mins. I ran a small store like this for 35 years. The avg customer time was less than a min. Refusing service just because they have a pet with them in your store for a min or 2 is just stupid. Now it's going to cost you $60000.
Should be double that.how would the store owner like to be blind. People dont shop in his shop . he personall dont like dogs.
You see, but it isn't "a challenge to determine whether an animal is a legitimate service animal." The ADA requires the only information you can ask a person are the two questions you provided - and it is true there is no documentation that exists. However, service animals that are acting unruly, aggressive, or otherwise appear to be untrained in that they are leaving their handler for non-work/tasks can be asked to leave the premises.
You can tell when a pet comes in vs when a service animal comes in based on their demeanor.
I was in agreement with you until your last sentence! If a animal performs the tasks for someone disabled then they are a service animal, period. If they are a service animal that does not behave then you are right they can be asked to leave but that does not mean they are not a service animal.
True service dogs don't act aggressive but have a mild mannered temperament. They are trained to ignore other animals and people.
Yes! Most people forget that buisness can ask any ill mannerd dog to leave regardless if it is a service animal or not. This is what is stated to protect the businesses. It is everyones responsibility to control ones animals, regardless of situation.
I am not saying that is what this situation is about however. This soinds like the store was just wrong and the dogs did nothing to warrent being asked to leave.
There is documentation for service dogs that have been given to veterans through veterans organizations.
@@eliicd303 That may be well and good but according to the ADA, there is no federally mandated training program or documentation/registry for service dogs.
Fine, your sight is impaired and he wants to hold your dog outside. Let him do that and when you go in knock everything you can touch over. Trash the place. Not your fault
Why don’t we ask you to keep your kid outside because we don’t like your loud, stinky, greedy spoiled kid in our business?
Then you get sued for property damage
@SCP_BrightAlt I wasn’t saying I would I’m not even in the US I’m saying I bet the store owner would try it
But then we have the lady who, claiming her pit bull is a service animal, brings it in the store (Target, where my wife works) where the dog is threatening customers and actually lunging at one customer? The lady was such a jerk that the police had to be called. Real service animals do NOT behave that way. We need a way to certify real service animals.
This is a ridiculous premise. Just because there are fake $20 bills out there- should you stop accepting $20 bills?
The bottom line is that it is more imperative to ensure that all legit service animals are allowed access than it is to keep fakes out, even if that means a few fakes slip in as well. And there are already provisions for a business to remove any animal that is misbehaving, whether they are an outright fake or just a poorly or incompletely trained SA. So trying to proactively guess at it and limit access on a "just in case" basis is entirely inexcusable.
The fine got upheld February of 2018 -- I don't know if it got paid or if there were further appeals etc..
Easy solution: Ask if it's a service dog. If the person says yes and the service dog causes financial loss or loss of business, you hold the owner accountable. A police investigation will determine if they were lying. Liars should be put in jail.
Police investigation doesn’t determine anything. Court cases do.
There are only two questions that can be asked: Is your dog a Service Animal & what tasks is it trained to perform, nothing else.
$60, 000 is not enough - the business owner should have done jail time.
This is sumple. All dog owners in the area need to support service animals by boycotting such businesses.
I just have to say I love the look on the black Lab getting a hug from a kid at the 1:35 mark.
To Duck Stop Mart: You either let people with disabilities into your store with their service animals or your business will be shut down forever for this violation of both the law and the Americans with Disabilities Act.
This - this needs to be the reaction of authorities. Too many cops and authorities just shrug and say it is a civil matter. The other side needs to be even stiffer penalties for people who fake a pat as a service dog.
I bet they won’t deny service to a person with a service dog again! This is an exceptional case. Most of these stories, the business no consequences other than bad publicity.
Now.... it sounds like they did the same thing during the investigation. the guy said they found "undoubtable proof". clearly the store was tested under scrutiny and failed...to let a service dog in again. during an investigation operation to see if service dogs were indeed not allowed in.
Violation of service dog law should be imprisoned not only fined?
Thinking more about this: my wife uses a wheelchair to get around. Would this business owner think he could legally refuse her entry into the store? A wheelchair is a medical device, just as a service dog is.
Requiring certification documents for service animals will result in higher taxes to pay for the increased bureaucracy and probably higher a cost to obtain service animals.
Exactly...plus it will never go through bc it treads very closely to medical privacy issues.
As long as your dog doesn't shit in my store, I don't care if you bring him/her/them in.
Then anyone caught faking a Service Animal should be fined, largely!
Jailed
Who would go after a collie?!
They’re such gentle, sensitive dogs.
I would never let someone hold my service dog outside. It would involve me filming and calling my lawyer.
The store in this video is no longer in operation because the manager of the store decided to discriminate against a legally blind woman with a truly trained service dog.
In fact, dog guides already go through a certification process. The reporter is mistaken. I can't speak to other service dogs. I do know that, whether for guiding the blind or other purpose, the dog handler is required to ensure that the dog (or micro horse, in the case of guide animal) is clean and well- behaved. The required bathing/grooming regimen is specified and taught to the recipient of the dog guide during the hperson's training with the dog. This cleaning includes daily brushing, daily tooth brushing, weekly bathing, nail grooming and sometimes expression of the dog's anal glands. Also, the dog guide handler (blind person) is required to run the dog through its basic obedience training and guide training frequently. Finally, all recipients of dog guides from established training schools (Leader Dogs for the Blind, Pilot Dogs, Seeing Eye and Guide Dogs for the Blind) carry identification that shows that their dog is certified. Now you know.
A certification program isn't required for service animals. The existence of groups that do provide certification doesn't mean that certification is required, and there is no official certification. That's why stores can't require proof of certification. People are allowed to train their own service dogs. Most people can't afford $50,000 for a professionally trained service dog.
The dogs only get “certified “ from the organization that trained them. And that is only that the dog has passed their training standards.
As a business owner, who cares if the dog is a legit service animal or not. Invite them in, serve them, take their money. Let the whole fake service dog thing be someone else's issue. If the dog isn't disruptive or running wild, then let it go. If it is a wild dog, then it is not a service animal.
Problem solved!! Agree.
I would recommend that any store owner that even thinks about telling a disabled person that they can’t have their service dog the disability may not be Visible and you have no right to ask me anything you need to watch the dog if the dog is like really if he sniffing people get Owen like a dog will go back and straight to the crotch of most people! Then you can ask if the dog is a service animal but if he’s got a vest on and the dog is right there by its own or you need to get over your phobia
AND you need to take some basic writing skill and learn to edit your rambling comments to make sense.
Wrong they DO have the right to ask you two questions.
I hope you've won your case
there is a article dating back from February stating the fine was upheld against the business they could choose to appeal but there isnt a point to appeal as there is multiple people stating the business is in the wrong
SHE CANT SEE BRUH CMON
There is a system now called Braille which allows blind people to "read" with their fingers.
To the store owner in this video: You are willing to violate the policies and procedures of the store you own, violate the Americans with Disabilities Act, violate the state law, violate the federal law, and violate the Constitution of the United States and America by appealing the lawsuit. If you appeal the lawsuit against you, the judge is going to dismiss it and have you placed behind bars for discrimination.
So don’t deny anyone if you can’t tell
Laura C....totally agree. my service dog NEVER jumps up on people. Doesn't bark, bark, bark. Well behaved and trained. And as you know, unruly dogs anywhere can be aggrevating or disruptive. peace.
However, a "Service Dog" while it should not jump up nor bark, it MAY do so and that is not grounds for denial of service.
THAT is a sad situationthat simply allows morons to claim their pet or untrained "Service Dog" is legit!
@@SaltiDawg2008 People should keep in mind they are DOGS not machines and do have off days sometimes. Still there are things they should never do.
I know this happens and I’m so sorry. I’ve never in 10 years been bothered, but maybe it’s because of my attitude and my knowledge of the law.
It should be allowed that owners of service dogs, and miniature horses to show the Legal license of legitimate service animals, or as long as the collars and or vests are very obvious. The owner can also learn to recognize what are and aren't service animals, by how they react. Then the owner of the establishment can call the police on the 'fake service animal' owner.
It doesn't matter if some ROTTEN liars perpetrate a fraud with their dog...THE LAW IS CLEAR...bet this store owner wishes he / she had followed this FEDERAL LAW
How about just let them in and if the dog causes a disturbance then tell them to leave. Easy.
I run an Airbnb and I don’t even ask if it’s a service dog. Got a dog? Cool, he will enjoy it here as well. Come on in. No extra pet fee.
When state budgets are in the $billions it wouldn't cost too much for each state to fund their own system of certification that *has* to be accepted by all other states. Tax increases (if applied) couldn't be more than a couple of pennies per capita. Even owner trained animals could simply be tested for a nominal fee to be accepted and issued with a 'certificate of competency'. It's only the inertia and incompetency of the bureaucracy that's in the way of such a system.
Why should I as an owner trained service dog handler have to pay to register my service dog? Do people who use wheelchairs have to pay to register their chairs in order to take them into stores? Service dogs are considered medical equipment.
@@diensthunds Wheelchairs don't have minds of their own. Dogs do!
@@amanofmanyparts9120 doesn’t matter. Under law they are classified as medical equipment. So long as the dog is not causing a problem they are to be treated the same as a wheelchair.
Why in the world would someone who doesn't need a SD want to bring a dog into a business in the first place? Get around the rules? For what advantage? Is it trained to steal a loaf of bread? I'm all for service animals, and don't understand the "logic" of someone wanting a "fake" SD.
1950Grendel I saw a video some time ago with a woman who admitted lying about her dog being a service dog, even paying for “certifications” she knew were false. SMH
1950Grendel so that they can take their dog everywhere. Hotels and apartments can't deny SD
these are people paid to ruin the common man who owns a small business. why? Because corporations are in cahoots with globalists who want to run your life and be the masters of all people
@peter collins That you do not understand the plight of the small business man tells me loads about your reasoning abilities and as well the lack of a good education your family chose for you
@peter collinsyou don't know the bigger picture. Sadly I'm wasting my efforts on people like yourself.
The Duck Service Store needs to be shut down and the staff and manager should be retrained in how to help their customers both with AND without disabilities.
A convenience store denied access? What were they worried about?
Personally I think just use most of the same standards that they use for driving. This way it will be fair to everyone plus a basic obedience test to see that it can behave in public. I don't see why there should be any problems with creating such a system.
Too many moving parts and the potential for MASSIVE issues. Simple to know and follow the ADA. Businesses can ask a legit service dog to leave if it not under control, is aggressive or 'goes' in the business. It can also restrict putting the dog in a shopping cart or merch trolly.
Oh, I certainly recognized the CCI vest. Even just a leash. Been there, done that, had my problems.
The "confusion" is entirely one-sided. The guidance is clear, it only takes being able to read.
People faking service dogs is disgusting. Try taking a cane or wheelchair away. Real service dogs are medical necessities. Emotionally support dogs are not service animals
I would sue the business owner and fight my life out for the business owner to lose their business.
I don’t have a service dog, but I am blind, and I use a cane. Sometimes I will get store employees who say things like, I will hold your cane for you. Just take my arm instead. They say they are afraid that I will knock stuff over it with my cane or they are afraid that I will bump into somebody with it
Wow! That is spectacularly dumbfounding to hear. What is your response when people say they can just lead you with their arm?
Seems like that would be a bigger liability for a business if you then tripped and fell after relying on an employee who thinks they can just lead you through crowded isles.
A complete lack of respect for your personal space and autonomy.
I respect service dogs, however, the dog needs to be well groomed and cared for. The dog needs to be properly harnessed and their person must be completely responsible for their behavior.
I'm with you on most of that, but 'properly harnessed?' The ADA actually states that the dog does not need to be wearing any specific gear.. not even a leash wrap or a vest. It is entirely up to the handler's discretion whether or not to put identifying markers on their dogs. I understand that it may make the dog harder to identify as 'not just a pet' but if you are in a non-pet friendly environment, it's probably safe to assume that any dog you see is a SD. If you have concerns regarding the dog's behavior, you can report it to an employee.. SDs are not, by law, allowed to pee on merchandise or menace other customers. (for the US, anyway)
Service dogs need no harness or vest.
Case in point. I am blind, and am just getting accustomed to meeting people with other disabilities who use service dogs. I was in a clinic when I encountered a woman with a service dog. Not to be invasive, just to be friendly I asked "Is that your guide dog?" She calmly replied that no, it was her emotional support dog.
The dog smelled horrible. It was well behaved, but I could tell that it hadn't been groomed nor bathed in a long while. I didn't want to cause emotional stress for the woman, but I thought to myself...."This is a medical clinic, and all I can smell is dog (feces). How can this be allowed?" Most blind friends I have who use guide dogs keep their animals absolutely clean. I am also aware that numerous people I have encountered claim to be using service dogs, but it is obvious to me that the dogs are untrained, as they are easily distracted, bark needlessly, sniff bystanders and the like. So how does one know?
@@paulshallbetter1080 The sad part is, emotional support dogs are not covered under the ADA. The person you encountered is part of the problem.
@@M11969 Wow. That's news to me, as some commenters here have stated that emotional support animals are indeed covered by the ADA. I think that airlines permit emotional support animals on flights. I will say this, and this is a blind man writing...the increasing prevalence of service animals had made it very difficult for blind folks. Not to seem insensitive (and I'm sure that I will), I can't take a tranquilizer etc. to lead me through public spaces. Many people push the envelope as far as acceptability...the elderly lady with her unleashed, unharnessed "emotional support cat," or the guy with his "emotional support parrot." I have had negative interactions with people, including the blind, who do not care for nor control their animals.
I was recently being seen at a medical clinic and encountered a woman with a dog in harness. I asked her if the dog was a guide dog, blind brotherhood and all. She replied no, that it was her emotional support dog. I gently suggested to her that, if she was going to bring the animal into a medical clinic, that the dog should be clean and groomed; it was not. I was harshly criticized by a nearby nurse for "upsetting" the woman. BTW, she didn't appear to be upset; she told me to mind my own business. Well, sorry lady... if you have a dirty animal that smells like dog crap in a medical clinic, it *is* my business. Finally, users of dogs and other animals, particularly on public transportation need to be aware that some people are either allergic to their animals or are frightened by them; this is another reason why the animal needs to be scrupulously groomed, clean and well- behaved. End of sermon, go in peace.
There is legally no registration for service dogs and if u have registration there no legal stand point in court with documentation bc it’s not required per the Ada
no reason why she would need two dogs at once.ridiculous
You are ridiculous.
It's illegal for any businesses to deny a service animal access or even suggest such a thing. It's also illegal to try and separate a disabled dog handler from their service dog. It's like saying to that same blind person "I need your cane, give it to me!"!
Unless the dog (properly not a real service dog) is acting up. But I agree with you 100%!
I’d be curious to know what either dog does. I know there are tag teams, but I’ve only ever seen one dog for guidework.
It may be she has a guide dog and a medical alert dog. Some service dogs alert when their human is about to have a seizure, or faint, asthma attack, etc.
I know this is an old conversation but it is likely that one is setting to retire and one is in training to take over. Best teacher is the dog who's been doing it for years. My guess is by now retired dog is tits up in a sun beam while new dog goes to do errands.
Wait.... Does she have two guide dogs with her? What's her other service dog for? I didn't know someone could have two service dogs working with them at once... I've only had one with me.
yes they can actually, its really cool theyre called tandem teams. If someone has a disability that requires two service sogs or multiple disabilities that just one cant cover then theyll sometimes get a tandem team (:
I have on occasion taken my dog in training out with my current service dog, it does cause questions but most places have no problem as long as the dogs are well behaved and attended to.
These problems with certifying service animals could all be solved. It would probably require a federal licensing of trainers and a certification card issued to service animal owners. My wife works at Target and watched a woman's so called "service dog" threaten and actually lunge at customers. No actual service dog will ever behave this way. Target security ran her off but she and her dog caused so much trouble in the parking lot that police had to be called. These are the sort of people that make things difficult for everyone. So many people try to pass their dogs off as service animals that it's necessary that we go to a lot of trouble to preserve the ability of people who actually need these animals to utilize them. These troublemakers really need to try to dredge up a little compassion and stop being so self centered.
This would be an expense for disabled people who are already trying to live off disability funds. I trained my own dog to do what I need her to do. Why should I be forced to get "certified"? As others have said service dogs are easy to spot.... so are fake ones if you use your brain.
Nope, bc then it gets into accessing people's legally protected (medical) privacy rights and causes exorbitant costs that most people with disabilities can't afford... among other things.
@@tammyrawdon3587 I don't think that would be an issue since you would be licensing the animal and not the owner. No medical records should be needed to implement a program of giving certifications to the service animal. That way a retailer could allow access to certified service animals only. But it would be much better if people would just stop being so ridiculous about their pets. But we all know that's not going to happen.
Just as you become a police officer a service dog should have a badge showing they are as service dog what's so hard about that ??people need to realize just because you bond with your dog don't make him a service dog..
Sorry. How many service dogs does one need? I’m being serious here. One I can understand. But two?
Michelle Charlton well u can have multiple...for me i have 2. They do different things...like one can go get help, another can do dpt..sometimes one dog knows something the other doesnt...so yes someone can have multiple..
@@cielonehellofaservicedog4648 and sometimes when one is getting older and can't get around as well the first helps train the second by showing what should be done by way of a good example.
@@theresahall8206 Thank you.
I have seizures and have to have my service dog by me at all times.
And... how do you think that helps here? Don't be a moron!
@Salti Dawg, they were just stating something.
I still can't see why there is not a central register, just like a driving licence. If they require a services animal documents are sent, they receive a card, or a tag for the animal which can then be used as evidence in cases where a business owner might be concerned.
I know people might say that it discriminates, but a tag on the animal is fairly uninvasive.
It would also be a way to quickly check if for any reason there was questionable behaviour.
As always it is the people whom falsify service animal equipment and needs thats leads to the need to question and the need to find an inoffensive solution to resolve such issues as those in the video.
Service dogs temperament is so easy to tell. My dog hasn't been in training long. Did not sniff food in a grocery store listens to commands. I told him to sit and wait and stepped away to look at prices and he didn't move an inch. He stayed focused when a kid was like doggy!!!!! Like it ain't hard to tell.
I am disabled due to mental issues and so use a service dog that I trained myself. Since covid and because of other health issues I have do not go out as much as I used to, consequently my service dog is not always at peak performance, so to speak. She needs a refresher command now and then but still is never disruptive or reactive when on duty. She is getting old now and so I am in the process of training a replacement for her. When a walmart employee accosted me and was forced to apologize by a manager their excuse was "we are cracking down on fake service dogs". I suggested they might want to target people with unruly dogs and dogs people put in the carts. Walmart is the ONLY place I have been harassed about my dog. Assholes.
This is important to me. For years I spent time helping an established professional breeder.
They would breed, train, show and sell dogs, but every buyer was carefully vetted.
When exceptionally qualified pups would show they had the right stuff some were even donated to legitimate organizations.
Every "service animal" should be REQUIRED to pass a standardized test given by a licensed instructor/trainer, then wear a SPECIFIC badge and harness in public.
Seeing eye dogs are the most highly trained and require thorough training of dog and human subject for the desired symbiotic result.
Of course that's not cheep, especially when the government makes it unnecessarily complicated.
Today we have many categories of "service animals" which multiplies the confusion.
I have watched far to many spoiled, selfish humans sully the honorable work of the best companion working animals God has Bless humankind with.
Every time I see "service dogs" in grocery carts all dressed up in anthropomorphic costumes it makes me crazy.
My first question is why did she need to have two with her in that little store ?
Fined $60,000 bucks. Good Grief.
No, it's not CHEAP! And wanting to cause discrimination which is what that would be with some disabled people being able to afford it while others would not so that alone should keep that from ever being required unless you want tax payer money going to pay for every service dog every disabled person needs? There are a lot of selfish spoiled humans so we are going to punish the disabled for the selfish spoiled people in this world? As far as why some disabled people need more than one service dog maybe this will help answer your question.....
Q13. Can people bring more than one service animal into a public place?
A. Generally, yes. Some people with disabilities may use more than one service animal to perform different tasks. For example, a person who has a visual disability and a seizure disorder may use one service animal to assist with way-finding and another that is trained as a seizure alert dog. Other people may need two service animals for the same task, such as a person who needs two dogs to assist him or her with stability when walking.
Bottom line: even if for some reason someone did scam the business to bring their dog inside...who cares?
Oh no! A DOG!
Seriously, was it worth the $60,000 to be a dick?
I am very much in favor of service animals, but a $60K fine is outrageous. The store is being punished for the confusion caused by others with fake service animals.
Nope the store is being punished because they broke federal law.
@@SCP_Gate-Guardian My comment was not about being punished. My comment is regarding the amount of punishment.
@@johnhanley2431 it isn't outrageous 😂 if anything it's lenient
@@johnhanley2431 can't pay the fine don't do the crime.
Hope he goes out of business
Just because some people fake it; doesn't hold a bone in this case. This is like telling a black person " you can't shop here" because " I think" you're not really black. A form of prejudice. You couldn't tell she was blind? I don't believe it.
When someone tries to deny you access with a service dog, show them this clip, when they hear it’ll cost them $60,000 they’ll offer to be your guide dog
"$60,000? I'll have one of my employees lead you around and they will even bark if you ask nicely!"
Good i am glad he got fined.
Ok but can we talk about how this guy did this news story with 100% accuracy.
My question is why does she have two? I get having a service dog, but two for a single person seems a bit extreme and fishy.
many people have multiple service dogs because one can be trained for one task and the other for a separate task.
Do you know how very stupid you sound?
AnakarayaRavenclaw or just train 1 for both things 😂
You can only have a dog with multi-task if they both are come from the same place... If not, so you will have as many as your problems needed! ... And not any dog of the same breed can be train, liked the others. It depends on the individual abilities of each dog.
Update: registerguard.com/rg/news/local/36478612-75/oregon-court-of-apheals-upholds-60000-fine-against-duck-stop-market-owner-over-service-dog-dispute.html.csp
This business should lose their license to do business
Shaming her was very prejudice. Shame on you!
Congress generally almost always writes laws vaguely. They rely on the administering agency to help develop the law over time.
This is under the jurisdiction of the US Department of Justice
Actually the ADA laws on service dogs is very clear. If you allow people from the public to enter or even rent a space you HAVE to allow a service dog and you can't ask any questions but what the dog was trained for. That's it. And if it's unruly don't make a scene and call the non emergency police number and tell them what is up. Just don't ever ever make a scene. Imagine if you were a war vet or rape survivor that needs that dog to not self delete...And imagine the stress they feel waiting for someone to bully them like this store owner and how hard it was for her to go out after that. If I'm a customer and I see someone doing anything similar there will be some lumps that might end up being dispensed.
I'm legally allowed to have a service miniature horse and a service dog to do the tasks that the horse can't do.
Is that serious , i cant tell ( im lucky enough to be able bodied im not trying to sarcastic)
yes it can happen, mini horses are good for mobility/ guide work as theyre very strong, but sometimes people with disabilities will have multiple that only one animal cant cover, sometimes theyll adopt another service animal in order to cover those its called tandem teaming and its pretty cool (:
Not every one can get a free service dog and they are just trained in obedience, and to preform task, and yes a person can get a dog or rescue dog from a shelter, train them and as long as its obedience and trained enough to preform task, like a medical alert dog, for seizures, diabetic alert dog, or PTSD to help comfort a war veterans, or anyone that has PTSD, they don't have to be trained by specific company and even if they are, only paperwork their given is that was trained by so&so inc. And vaccination record, I have my own diabetic alert dog and she carries my emergency contact information, my medical alert information, my medication to help bring my blood sugar up to normal level, and if I become unconscious, the emergency glycogen kit to mixed and shot be given to bring it up like that, or insulin, is also carried in her vest as well, I have a letter signed by my endocrinologist, saying I should have a diabetic alert dog and that I now have 1 with her name and description on the papers, my diabetes Dr signed papers. Just because you can't see a persons disabilities don't mean they don't have any, and to ask why is violation of hippa laws, and the real problems are emotional support animals are not the same thing as service dog, in fact just a pet that provides emotional support, cno training needed , a service dog that come from a training company charges 10k To 30k$ not every one can afford the cost, but as long as they are obedience trained enough and are trained enough to preform task to help save someone life or help them recover or guide, or with every day task like shopping carrying or picking up items that are all the dogs need to do that help you
Treat service dogs like cars . Get them State opproved license tags. Easily checked by any cop instantly by radio if in doubt.
Dogs? One dog is all people need. Not two. There are some rare instances where two may be needed but they perform different functions. If you need two dogs to navigate, you need more O and M training with a blind instructor. The most common tandem team are one fully trained and one in training but rarely have i seen 2 legitimate service dogs. I once saw three but they were fake after all three tried attacking someone for getting too close. It is reasonable for a store to say no if they cant accommodate both dogs. ADA says one can be left outside while the other dog stays with the owner.
they could have other disabilities or tasks the second dog provides for. whatever helps them the most is what they should go for in my opinion.
@@viviannamason4883 Yes, many people have multiple issues. Say they got their first dog for one disability then as time went on they developed another problem, like seizures, then a second trained dog might be needed. Can you imagine what a hassle it must be to have to take two dogs everywhere with you?
Meeka’s owners are faking Meeka as a service dog!
I've been kicked out of stores because my dog is a large breed.
can definetly tell a service dog vs a non one,, none ones are barkers at everyone .. thats a given .. hate to see videos like this ..
keep doubling the fine till he pays he cant fight it he broke the law
It isn't that difficult. A hoax service dog's behaviour is generally so clearly different and use common sense. If are a manager or shop owner, it's up to you to learn about the law, advice on what to look for and to train your staff. That's not up to the service dog owner. Basic commonsense, being informed not ignorant is the best policy.
“...plans to fight back...” Go ahead. Make yourself even more ridiculous...
LOL serves him right! What is he going to fight back the ADA federal law. Whatever he did, or tried he lost and probably cost him more money in his attempt. 60K for a shop that small might have or did bankrupt him. Wonder if the 60K was a fine to him or the result of a lawsuit from the woman? I hope the guy learned his lesson and tried to fight with more money to attorneys. Only to lose.
The bad make it bad for the good
Yup
How about this just let ALL Dogs in with their owner.
My wife(who works at Target) saw a lady bring a pit bull into the store, claiming it was a service dog, that was growling and actually lunging at customers. She was told to remove her dog by security. She and her dog then began causing trouble in the parking lot. The police had to be called. So I would have to disagree with your opinion. There are dogs, and people, that need to be ran off.
@@leonardwolf1820 You're an evil sick person
@brick you are also a very evil sick in the head person.
@Nick Marsala, how? His wife was just not letting the person break the law. What’s sick about that?
@@doggielover5587 It's a bad law that discriminates against a dog and the human they are with. When it comes to bad laws we should all disobey them!
Good
I was denied access to a store who turned my service skunk away. I'm diagnosed as bat shit crazy, and have every right to go wherever I want with my animal friend. People; rise up against our alien overlords!
I hope you sue the pants off of them. This is unacceptable.
60k is a bit steep.
Shouldn't have broken the law
I might have thought she was faking as well .... "two" service dogs seems more like one of those people abusing the system.
There's good reason why you've had no response in over 2 yrs. That's a very Ableist thing to say.
@@tammyrawdon3587 😆
BURR!!
........sir?
I’m so sorry
ADA applies to business With 15 or more employees.
Emotional support dogs are NOT service dogs.
When someone is blind they are service dogs! Could you please cite your source for the 15 employees since you posted that! Last time I read the ADA I don't remember reading that but that does not mean it's not there.
Here's the truth is mistaken. The 15 or more employees thing is a frequently used definition of "small business", so I can see where they got it, but they are wrong.
Incorrect. Read the law again. The part about 15 or more employees is about employment requirements of prospective handicapped employees. The public accommodations section of the act makes no exception to size of business.
Wrong, ada applies to all businesses.
Here's the truth....
That's a grey area....
Why don't the owners just put a harness on the dog with their paperwork in the harness? Then anyone can just look at the dog harness and the paperwork and see that it's legit charging that little store $60,000 is very unfair
its not unfair that store is discriminating and breaking the law. there also is no paperwork.
@@viviannamason4883 Thank you.
they should have a registry for those animals that are servants(that's what "service dog" really means), with an id. then a store just needs to scan that id, and immediately confirm the dog is indeed a servant.
@SCP_BrightAlt
they scan your credit card, they can scan your servant dog's id.
@SCP_BrightAlt
it's not YOUR id.....it's the id chip of your dog.
the dog is the one who is a registered servant.
also a credit card is tied to you, so while not being an id card in and of itself it IS personally identifying information....and they can scan it.
@SCP_BrightAlt
but they DO have the authority to scan ids.
also i'm neither white, nor a woman, nor asking for a manager.....so not a karen in any sense of the word.
@SCP_BrightAlt
actually they do karen.
quite often.
i dont know if it's the lack of a Y, or of melanin. or maybe the combination.
@SCP_BrightAlt
they do.
havent you watched any of the many karen videos?
it's usually a white woman. usually a blonde.
I have a friend with a Clydesdale pony as their service animal. (hehe)
Bad Spock Only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals, unless specified by your state or county government. Any animal though can be an emotional support animal which does not have the right to go into public.
Wait a service horse...is this real?
fake fake sombody always has to put noise in something
I blame ada for all the headaches....I mean I can bring my dog in a store and not required to show any paperwork is the problem....everyone should have to
There is no paperwork for service dogs.
should b
there is no such organization as the ADA, it is a law, and it is enforced by the US Department of Justice
the ADA isn't even clear about what constitutes a disability, like do I have to be receiving disability payments to have a service dog? It says any disabled person is allowed to use a service dog. So then, how do we know what is an emotional support animal (dog) under those guidelines? Wouldn't that be the same? I have PTSD among other problems and I use my dog to navigate the world alone, her task is to comfort me when I have a panic attack but what she actually does is keep me from having one. I am on govt disability due to these problems, but The ADA does not make that very clear.
Who has more then one service dogs? Clearly this person is not blind and faking it.
Just in case you are more concerned with the law than your own personal opinions.......
Q13. Can people bring more than one service animal into a public place?
A. Generally, yes. Some people with disabilities may use more than one service animal to perform different tasks. For example, a person who has a visual disability and a seizure disorder may use one service animal to assist with way-finding and another that is trained as a seizure alert dog. Other people may need two service animals for the same task, such as a person who needs two dogs to assist him or her with stability when walking.
AND are you a licensed Optometrist? Since you have determined the lady is not blind but with my not being a licensed Optometrists I can confidently say that the store owner would not had been fined if she had not proven she is blind. Clearly you did not use your head on that comment!
I use my gold fish as service animals. 😉
Get Off Your Bass And Lets Fish Only dogs and miniature horses can be service animals unless specified by your state or county government. However any animal can be an emotional support animal which does not have the right to go into public.
I'm getting a service pig.
I think the woman here should give the storeowner a break, she can drop the lawsuit if he hangs up a sign saying "no disabled customers"
If is willing to do that, then she drops the lawsuit. fair deal!
And then he puts his store in direct Public violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Do you live under a rock?
Fake 😂
alpha 1997 How do you know? What evidence do you have?