It's all about having the leverage. Using your entire body to push against 50.000 tons of warship is different than having to use a single joint stuck in an awkward position to lift just 500 tons of concrete. ( which is ridiculous no matter how you slice it, Raiden can have enough strength to lift the fucking sun, but it won't do him any good, because all that mass pushing at him is concentrated at the tiny surface his feet, and arsenal will just push him into concrete like it's hot butter and keep going like he wasn't even there)
Add the evil laughter, his Secret Base appearing just seconds later and him trying to run Snake over with it... yeah Liquid is totally a Saturday morning cartoon villain
I'll never forget the first time I saw Ray jump out of the water. I dared to dream of fighting it in Rex and it was better than I ever could have hoped.
@@koleszgdanska7149 Ocelot sold Rex's data on the black market, resulting in countries building knock off Rex's. That was the reason RAY was developed, to counter them.
I don’t think we ever got to see any of the knock off REXs, unless it’s referring to the Gekko unit. Their heads vaguely resemble REX, and the Shagohod. The waist is definitely based off REX, other than that, all we ever got to see was RAY and it’s variants from Arsenal Gear, Outer Haven, and Desperado, while the original Marines RAY was never seen again after 2.
@@net343 I am not saying MGSV history has not problems but there is something with sahelantropus that everyone forget and is that sahelantropus will never worked, they needed kid pyscho mantis to mentally control it and even then it failed, even with the better weapons is useless because that thing was basically useless
It's like two brothers playing a game when the annoying one, despite clearly losing the game, goes "Ha, ha, I've actually got an invincible ship that's much cooler than your old toy. You didn't hurt me at all."
It’s actually pretty funny to see how Raiden went from the most hated to one of the most beloved ones in the franchise. Especially if he gets scenes like this one. What a way to show that introducing a new character can work wonders
In hindsight, it’s pretty clear why REX beat RAY. RAY was meant to fight those cheap-ass REX knockoffs and not the original prototype. That prototype is much stronger than any of the knockoffs. The only thing that stopped this duel from being one-sided was the fact that REX was heavily damaged already.
And mass produced rays aren’t meant to fight alone as a single ray… light mobile and fast to deploy.. you can say they should form an Array. Rex Was slower heavy armor meant to defend itself long enough to launch a nuclear strike. A mobile nuclear silo that can kinda defend itself. Rex was the only one adhering to its design strategy. If multiple mass produced Rays deployed, I’d bet on Rex going down. Unless Rex fully adhered to purpose and used its legs to be constantly mobile on mainland continental terrain away from water, then Ray would be absolutely useless because they wouldn’t even be deployed. Rex would meet its strategic goals and leave watery areas to nuclear submarines. Rex has global strike range so.. Rex really would be able to ignore Ray if properly deployed and Ray to should destroy Rex if deployed in as a wolf pack ambushing a single Rex (assuming Rex is somewhere Ray can deploy to)
@@TheGelatinousSnake what I don't understand is how come RAY can't fire its weapons while moving which REX can do? REX being agile due to Otacon's street fighter and its ability to fire weapons while moving are also advantages to REX. If multiple mass produced RAYs are deployed against REX, I think some RAYs would be destroyed and if the battlefield is on a mainland terrain without any body of water and REX is constantly mobile, then those RAYs would be destroyed. Since the mass produced RAYs were destroyed by stinger missiles and the last 3 were destroyed by Solidus' P90 submachinegun, then we can assume that their armors are weaker than Ocelot's RAY which can withstand hits from REX's anti-tank missile and FE laser so they should be easily destroyed if they get hit by REX's anti-tank missiles and especially FE laser since these should deal higher damage to RAY than stinger missiles.
“RAY may have been designed as a REX killer. But you’ve got me on your side” *Raiden who is able to suplex the damn thing but got stuck in a rubble because plot*
This was the most badass fight in the entire MGS franchise for me. The nostalgic feeling when you play as REX, and the armaments are exactly the same as they were
I guess we will never truly know what a real fight between Ray and Rex would be, if you think about it, the Ray that we fought here is the mass produced model, the same ones that Raiden defeated by himself in MGS2, but is not the main prototype that Liquid stole at the end of the game, which, just like with Rex, it was the most strongest model.
Imean no not really that model had a hydro cannon the more advanced model is what raiden fought in revengence with a lazer beam again but with EVEN MORE POWA Hydro cannons only work when standing on or under water so if they both fought rex would destroy ray since its main gun literally doesnt work when on land The black market prototype though... Well maybe idunnp
Depends if we're doing anime logic or military logic, in MGS either works. In anime, prototypes are always ridiculously overpowered for no reason. In actual applications - they are proof of concept clunkers that have their kinks ironed out in the production run.
@@TheKain202 metal gear is by all militaristic definitions a fantasy anime I mean they only built one sally one peace walker one zeke one rex And then theres like 50 billion rays and cow walkers and ai pods like chrysalis cacoon and the shagohod ai pod i forgot its name
@@TheKain202 In Real life, prototypes are oftenly weaker than the actual mass produced version since this is the very first testing model that in time will be improved, such as in combat aviation like with PAK-FA T-50 that end up becoming the Su-57 Felon. With the Metal Gears is the oppositive, it seems that they developed a such a powerfull weapon (Both the Rex and Ray) that in the end they were like "Errr... it will be too expensive to develop such powerfull machine in mass, so we need to tune down a bit the model" The Rex was in a way, is like the Shagohod in MGS3, a nuclear launcher mobile platform, therefore the developers went full ham when it comes to see how much they could push the machine to it's limits, plus, you basically only need a handfull of them to do the work, with the Ray, is more of a force multiplayer amphibious assault vehicle that was ment to be mass produced.
It’s probably the original RAY prototype modified to fit Outer Haven’s standards. It has the same face as the original and an almost-identical tail, for starters.
0:50 always loved Ray's intimidating stance when bouncing off the ground after sliding. It reminds me of that time the Tumbler was in Loiter/Intimidate mode in The Dark Knight at the beginning of the film.
What i dont understand is moments like this. Because at the final fight liquid says this is how he hoped things would turn out. Makes me think was snake ever in true danger of dying by liquid???
@@alejandroc7357 I think yes, Liquid puts obstacles in Snake's path, if he fails and dies that's it (and he does, a lot, depending on the player) but if he succeeds he is getting closer to the stage that Liquid really wants.
@@HubiKoshi well what im getting at. Is canonically does it mean liquid was intentionally losing to snake throughout the series. So he could make it far enough to bring the patriot AI down. Because realistically liquid had many opportunities to kill snake and chose not to.
@@alejandroc7357 It might be that he wanted to do it in a fair fight, to prove he is the superior clone and just Killing Snake when it was easy wouldn't be satisfying for him.
@@HubiKoshi well it’s not really liquid. Big boss at the end reveals that ocelot was just playing a character. But the real liquid would try to kill snake. Where as ocelot has been scheming everything from the start, as far back as mgs 3
That fight which could've been made into an entire Metal Gear spin-off title with different Metal Gears from different times and different loadouts clashing on the virtual battlefield... Ah, how unfortunate Konami are utterly brainless.
Tbf, the said Rexes were not the real thing, but an attempt to replicate. You can't make a proper second Rex without Hal, that's why Rex here still have a chance to crush Ray.
I really like the symbolism and imagery behind the Metal Gears, and it makes that eventual moment in Revengeance feel so much more powerful. These are two man-made beasts, one an old near extinct breed and the other the cutting edge of modern technology. When used to their fullest potential, they can obliterate entire cities more efficiently than a nuclear bomb. But at their core, they are animals; fighting for survival. Ray symbolizes the hunter, looking to gather what scraps it can for its pack so they can survive another day; just as killing Snake will prolong the Patriots' plan until someone steps up to take his place. Rex represents the endangered species, simply fighting for its life under threat of extinction; just like Snake and the Metal Gear franchise as a whole, battling constant opposition despite nearing the end of their own natural lifespans. It's then poetic that Raiden kills Ray on his own as the tutorial for Revengeance, as nature and warfare constantly evolves to produce new predators to hunt the old. Even today we see the nature of warfare shaken when the effectiveness of NLAWs and Javelins were proven amidst the Russian invasion of Ukraine, shifting the power dynamic of warfare to focus more on the infantry instead of the tank.
I agree with your comment except for the last point. Warfare always prioritised infantry, the piss poor performance of russian armor is the result of general russian incompetence
Holy shit that's a good way of thinking of it. Raiden suplexing a Ray is like an infantryman firing a Javelin at a tank. Both the Ray and the tank are devastating when used to their fullest potential, but that doesn't mean they're impregnable. Even a single infantryman - or cyborg ninja - can take them out, so both have to constantly fight for survival. And both become less than effective when used improperly and incompetently.
@@nexshrive2163 Raiden is a hunter, and the ray is becoming obsolete, becoming prey that has to do its best to survive or face extinction, representing metal gears as a whole.
Ray isn't something like rex that at the point of extinction (this part is my opinion) maybe desperado somehow makes other MG rays think all other rays are dead
Love or hate that game, but can we just agree that no one expected to be able to pilot the things we've spent five games destroying? Even better, you're using a Metal Gear to fight another Metal Gear, with the latter DESIGNED to have an edge over yours. This was a crowning moment in the entire saga, hands down.
Couldn't agree more, man. You said it best. MGS4 was my first game in the series, and I'll be damned if it doesn't hold a very special place in my heart.
Good thing raiden was stuck under that rubble. He would’ve revengance status’d the RAY and we wouldn’t have a boss fight to watch! Edit: my goofy ass wrote boos lmao
Never gonna forget the first time I saw the moment of Raiden screaming out Rosemary's name and having memories of their relationship. My heart broke. She didn't deserve him after all she's done.
@@jedaaa To be honest MGS2's characters are generally really cold.. I can't get myself to finish that game because there's nothing that can make me feel anything for them.Raiden was mentally traumatized though so that can explain certain parts. Outside of mgs2 though hss a COMPLETELY different person it doesn't even feel like the same character,especially in Rising n he's very likable But Rose pisses me off
@@xxgamergirlxx7917 You're missing out, mgs2 is by far the most superior game in the franchise, the amount of story content is mind boggling, I've played through it hundreds of times and still find new threads in it, I never bothered with rising because I knew it wasn't the game/story kojima originally intended
@@jedaaa I only played Rising,It has its good and its bad.I can't quite swallow the Jack the ripper thing I hate it.But there's a lot I liked. I thought of playing Solid 3,4,5 but never got around to it Mgs2 is good.. I just can't stand most of the cast and I watched it a lot on YT
I love how in Metal Gear Rising it says that the cyborg bodies from this era are pretty much obsolete, and then you have Raiden pulling stuff like this 8:20
well if MGS4 takes place in 2014, and MGR in 2018, ig we truly see how much cyborg technology has advanced with Raiden's suplexation of an entire metal gear four years after he simply buys time for Snake to escape (which ofc is a big thing in and of itself)
Ray jumping out of the water and sliding along is, I think, a reference to how the Hygogg in 'War in the Pocket' jumps out of the water during the attack on the shuttle, they've even both got big ol' shoulderpad thingies.
Snake: "Ah man, my shoulder is absolutely fucked." Liquid: *Pretends to die on the ground and gets up* "Neener neener neener!" Snake: "Oh yeah!?" *Somersaults out of Metal Gear Rex onto shoulder* "OH GOD THAT HURTS SO MUCH!!! Why did I do that? Why didn't I just do a normal jump and land on my feet???"
5:46 Ocelot just did a FilthyFrank on him lmfao. 0:27 Raiden learned from this incident, which may have been the only reason he survived the initial attack of blade wolf and the falling debris right before excelsus.
Reminds me of him constantly being punched in the jaw until his fight with Armstrong. He's so proud of dodging the hit and then gets sent flying, that's just comical
@@VegaFic I prefer both Titanfall 1 titans and the metal gear rex. Both reek of gritty militarism and I love it. They're both far more capable then there mass produced follow ups. Ray and Titanfall 2 Titans flop because they not only went all in on science fiction, overly complicated designs but also specialized them.
@@VegaFic It can go like this, who would win a ogre titan from the first or a scorch Titan from the second? The answer would be the ogre. Because while the scorch Titan may have thermite it's predecessor has rechargeable shields, missiles and rechargeable counter abilities. Stuff that yes the scorch model has fought against or posseses but not to the same extent. It's a outsourced fancy toy but not a war machine.
There's something about charging up that laser to max level and firing it dealing massive damage. Like charging up the railgun and you hear that indicator. 👌
@@danielsantiagomontoyaotalv1595 definitely. Rex was one of a kind, a real badass villain (I'll never forget playing MGS1, and that view of Rex as you run down the hall. It was epic, and the atmosphere of it sitting in there was ominous.
Even in Rex's damaged state, it still whoops Ray's butt, which was meant to destroy Rex in the first place. Really shows that Otacon completely over engineered the thing and was so extremely powerful. Imagine they had been mass produced and bad guys had gotten a bunch. Scary thought. Good thing its only a video game. I'm currently building the Kotobukiya model of Rex. There really is so many parts to this thing.
The entire premise is absurd because RAY was specifically designed to hunt down and destroy Metal Gears including the older REX. One of it's shinning feature no one Metal Gears but RAY had was it ability to be fully amphibious, with the ability to quickly traverse through continents and intercept any opposing forces with their Metal Gears.
I find it cool how Rex’s design was all blocky most likely due to the ps1’s limitations, yet it still looks incredible in this game with some adjustments that don’t drastically change it. Really shows how impressive the designers of Rex are.
I can only imagine the amount of maniacal laughter that being able to pilot a Metal Gear against a Metal Gear must have unleashed. Seriously, some real-life villain will look fondly back on when they first got a taste of robot-on-robot carnage. Not even saying it's a bad thing!
By the way, those are mostly real weapons REX is armed with. It's two 30-mm GAU-8 cannons (same ones used on the A-10), a rack of Hellfire anti-tank missiles - specifically, the extended-range, laser-guided (as opposed to fire-and-forget) variant, potentialy with a fragmentation sleeve and inertial measurement unit upgrades, intended for UAVs - and a free-electron laser version of the already-existing deuterium flouride-pumped Tactical High Energy Laser; how the last one works, I have no clue, because chemical lasers are not free-electron lasers.
First time I played this Masterpiece I was not expecting to control Rex...and Battle against Ray was probably the most epic moment in gaming history. Snake ate Metal Gears for breakfast, he destroyed Metal Gears as infantry soldier, so what Ocelot was hoping to do against the greatest Metal Gears Killer who was controlling the Metal Gear Rex 🤣 Best game ever!
Snake's mech: futuristic cyberpunk robot using cutting-edge technology, equipped with a vast array of destructive weapons enough to snuff out an entire platoon of troops. Ray's robot: N O O T - N O O T I mean, we all know what animal his mech is based on, right?
I can't even fathom the physics of how the sub decides that it can push aside the concrete dock, but all of a sudden Raiden standing in the way on said dock somehow stops it. But then again, we'd see him somehow toss a Ray around in the biggest middle finger to physics and the concept of leverage I've seen in any game to date so...
Solid Snake, the inferior clone piloting the “inferior” Metal Gear in REX. Both beaten down and rusted against the superior Liquid Snake and RAY, and still coming out on top. The layers to this fight are incredible and I havent gotten over it since.
![Metal Gear Rising Revengeance - Metal Gear RAY Boss Fight [4K 60FPS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-8XHl2G8Z8E/mqdefault.jpg)
I like how raiden can't get his arm out from under a bit of rubble. But he can stop the titanic sized submarine.
It's all about having the leverage.
Using your entire body to push against 50.000 tons of warship is different than having to use a single joint stuck in an awkward position to lift just 500 tons of concrete.
( which is ridiculous no matter how you slice it, Raiden can have enough strength to lift the fucking sun, but it won't do him any good, because all that mass pushing at him is concentrated at the tiny surface his feet, and arsenal will just push him into concrete like it's hot butter and keep going like he wasn't even there)
hes got a point
Raiden that time did not have an upgrade unlike in mgr where he had stronger body parts and armor
Nanomachines son
his right hand already broken it's useless
"See, Snake? Playing Armored Core WAS worth it!"
"Rrrggh, fine..."
Why did I read this in both Hal and Snakes voices? Perfect.
@@sunderark "Mmrrggh, Colonel, I'm trying to sneak in, but the clank of my giant robot's laser penis keeps alerting the guaarrrrds."
I miss those games...
It's a VIRTUAL training afterall.
Colonel, i’m trying to sneak around, but i’m dummy fast, and the sound of my quickboost keeps alerting the NORMALs
I'll never get over how Liquid runs from Snake laughing like some Saturday morning cartoon villain lol.
It's the best part.
Pipebomb
Add the evil laughter, his Secret Base appearing just seconds later and him trying to run Snake over with it... yeah Liquid is totally a Saturday morning cartoon villain
Me: what's in your mouth?
My dog:
sadly i dont have a dog but at least i have fishes
Patric Zimmerman is having waaay too much fun.
I'll never forget the first time I saw Ray jump out of the water. I dared to dream of fighting it in Rex and it was better than I ever could have hoped.
Oh yeah.
IT'S HIM
IT'S THE METAL GEAR RISING
hahhaha funny
Didn't Kojima show that in a trailer before launch? Looking at this fight proves how insane and over the top MGS4 was
@@_beg That’s pretty much anything Kojima 😂 over the top, but interesting and awesome.
And they said Raiden suplexing a Ray doesn't make sense
Machine son.
Raiden are cyborg
@@Habbirel Cybernetic enhancements, son!
@@dr.consumerock6798Microelectronics, an individual of whom is the male child of a mom and dad!
@@dr.consumerock6798 they harden in response to physical trauma!
Nanomemes son, they harden in response to emotional damage
I finally understood what Raiden meant by: "Not again!" when he got his other arm cut off by Sam.
At least it’s a different arm.
@@samuraijackson241 dosent that mean raiden technically has no arms
@@Nepherus Raiden pretty much got Robocop'd in MGS2 and forcibly turned into a cyborg with nothing but his spine and head (sans the jaw) remaining.
@@Nepherus Raiden is an upper skull and spinal cord lol
@@neuronoc.7343 Not in MGS2, after.
in its last moments, Rex got to be the hero Otacon made it to be.
*Cry *
😭 *tissue paper*
So uh... Only one Rex was manufactured?
@@koleszgdanska7149 Ocelot sold Rex's data on the black market, resulting in countries building knock off Rex's. That was the reason RAY was developed, to counter them.
I don’t think we ever got to see any of the knock off REXs, unless it’s referring to the Gekko unit. Their heads vaguely resemble REX, and the Shagohod. The waist is definitely based off REX, other than that, all we ever got to see was RAY and it’s variants from Arsenal Gear, Outer Haven, and Desperado, while the original Marines RAY was never seen again after 2.
REX's redemption arc. Where it finally got to live up to Otacon's hopes and dreams.
"Should've stayed at home, Ray. This is like one of my creator's Japanese animes...and the protagonist is right here in the cockpit!"
Mg’s biggest plot hole is that Rex is supposedly better than sahaelontropus
@@net343 It is, because Otacon > Huey. :p
@@Nehfarius but sahaelontropus wasn’t really completed by Huey
@@net343 I am not saying MGSV history has not problems but there is something with sahelantropus that everyone forget and is that sahelantropus will never worked, they needed kid pyscho mantis to mentally control it and even then it failed, even with the better weapons is useless because that thing was basically useless
This is the only time you ever use a Metal Gear in the entire franchise
Unless you count using the Metal Gear Mks. II and III that is.
@@TheResilient5689 also D-Walker in Phantom Pain which is more or less a miniaturized Metal Gear
@@ekosubandie2094 It's awfully fragile for a Metal Gear, but sure: why not!
@@TheResilient5689 aren’t all metal gears except ray incredibly fragile?
Lo cual me parece muy irónico.
It appears that SOLID is using a Land Based Metal Gear while LIQUID is using a Aquatic Based Metal Gear
Wwsu?
What
Would
Solidus us?
Air based metal gear probably (harrier for example)
Wow
So Liquid is the Ang in the future?
Ooooo so meta
Imagine if Raiden has his Revengeance body during this. He would've suplexed Outer Haven.
hahaha
With rules of nature at the background
@@primus3217 RULES OF NATURE!
@@SpankusDankus AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP
@@sonicszuetomyt5448 WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE (ALLIIIIVEEEE)
When metal gear ray showed up i automatically expected Rules of Nature to play lol 😂
Raiden : Next time, baby
I thought i was the only one
Same here
@@vaishnav_mallya Nice.
RULES OF NATURE!!!!!
At this point I can’t imagine RAY without rules of nature
AND THEY HIDE AS THE SUN COMES UP, WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE
ALIVE!
FOR ALL THAT I'VE (NO CHOICEEE!!!!!)
@@ericandre6554 GOTTA FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE WILD! (ALIVE!)
WITH THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE (NO CHOICE)
5:34 there is a certain energy to Ocelot pointing and running away laughing that I cannot explain, but it is hilarious
It's like two brothers playing a game when the annoying one, despite clearly losing the game, goes "Ha, ha, I've actually got an invincible ship that's much cooler than your old toy. You didn't hurt me at all."
for me it’s 5:46, he runs like a cartoon villain
When the TSA finds you have a 2 liter bottle of water:
He looks so goofy lmao
It's fun to imagine that there's one button that will launch a nuclear missile, and another that will do a big roar.
"Behold, nukes!"
*Rawr*
Otakon knew what features really mattered
I mean, it was designed by Otacon whad did you expect?
It’s actually pretty funny to see how Raiden went from the most hated to one of the most beloved ones in the franchise. Especially if he gets scenes like this one. What a way to show that introducing a new character can work wonders
raiden is cool but he is still just gray fox's subtitute for me. The original cyborg ninja.
I never really hated Raiden.. MGS2 was just a brain twister of a game!
@@ender3675 "So grease the gears with some memes, is that it?!"
I agree they should have introduced Raiden better in MGS2 I really wanted to continue to play as snake only to find out I am now Raiden🥲
In mgs 2 he was a pooor copy of snake
In mgs IV he is a very poor copy of the real cyborg ninja Gray fox.
So no love for bad copies
somewhat disturbing to think that at this point in time Rex would still have a good, visible amount of Gray Fox stuck to the bottom of his shoe.
In hindsight, it’s pretty clear why REX beat RAY. RAY was meant to fight those cheap-ass REX knockoffs and not the original prototype. That prototype is much stronger than any of the knockoffs.
The only thing that stopped this duel from being one-sided was the fact that REX was heavily damaged already.
And mass produced rays aren’t meant to fight alone as a single ray… light mobile and fast to deploy.. you can say they should form an Array. Rex Was slower heavy armor meant to defend itself long enough to launch a nuclear strike. A mobile nuclear silo that can kinda defend itself. Rex was the only one adhering to its design strategy.
If multiple mass produced Rays deployed, I’d bet on Rex going down.
Unless Rex fully adhered to purpose and used its legs to be constantly mobile on mainland continental terrain away from water, then Ray would be absolutely useless because they wouldn’t even be deployed. Rex would meet its strategic goals and leave watery areas to nuclear submarines.
Rex has global strike range so.. Rex really would be able to ignore Ray if properly deployed and Ray to should destroy Rex if deployed in as a wolf pack ambushing a single Rex (assuming Rex is somewhere Ray can deploy to)
Amazing point of view dude.
I blame the pilot. Best excuse with little extra needed.
@@nexusdrop7863 pilot was a bit old.. fair enough
@@TheGelatinousSnake what I don't understand is how come RAY can't fire its weapons while moving which REX can do? REX being agile due to Otacon's street fighter and its ability to fire weapons while moving are also advantages to REX. If multiple mass produced RAYs are deployed against REX, I think some RAYs would be destroyed and if the battlefield is on a mainland terrain without any body of water and REX is constantly mobile, then those RAYs would be destroyed. Since the mass produced RAYs were destroyed by stinger missiles and the last 3 were destroyed by Solidus' P90 submachinegun, then we can assume that their armors are weaker than Ocelot's RAY which can withstand hits from REX's anti-tank missile and FE laser so they should be easily destroyed if they get hit by REX's anti-tank missiles and especially FE laser since these should deal higher damage to RAY than stinger missiles.
“RAY may have been designed as a REX killer. But you’ve got me on your side”
*Raiden who is able to suplex the damn thing but got stuck in a rubble because plot*
fuc8ing plot, again
Didnt Raiden have a weaker body here
@@djrealdyl6894 he doesnt get a new body till mission 2 in mgr, so its the same
In mgr ray was much stronger cuz its main gun was a laser cannon instead of a hydro canon
@@djrealdyl6894
Ok but 8:12
This was the most badass fight in the entire MGS franchise for me. The nostalgic feeling when you play as REX, and the armaments are exactly the same as they were
I guess we will never truly know what a real fight between Ray and Rex would be, if you think about it, the Ray that we fought here is the mass produced model, the same ones that Raiden defeated by himself in MGS2, but is not the main prototype that Liquid stole at the end of the game, which, just like with Rex, it was the most strongest model.
Imean no not really that model had a hydro cannon the more advanced model is what raiden fought in revengence with a lazer beam again but with EVEN MORE POWA
Hydro cannons only work when standing on or under water so if they both fought rex would destroy ray since its main gun literally doesnt work when on land
The black market prototype though...
Well maybe idunnp
Depends if we're doing anime logic or military logic, in MGS either works.
In anime, prototypes are always ridiculously overpowered for no reason. In actual applications - they are proof of concept clunkers that have their kinks ironed out in the production run.
@@TheKain202 metal gear is by all militaristic definitions a fantasy anime
I mean they only built one sally one peace walker one zeke one rex
And then theres like 50 billion rays and cow walkers and ai pods like chrysalis cacoon and the shagohod ai pod i forgot its name
@@TheKain202 In Real life, prototypes are oftenly weaker than the actual mass produced version since this is the very first testing model that in time will be improved, such as in combat aviation like with PAK-FA T-50 that end up becoming the Su-57 Felon.
With the Metal Gears is the oppositive, it seems that they developed a such a powerfull weapon (Both the Rex and Ray) that in the end they were like "Errr... it will be too expensive to develop such powerfull machine in mass, so we need to tune down a bit the model" The Rex was in a way, is like the Shagohod in MGS3, a nuclear launcher mobile platform, therefore the developers went full ham when it comes to see how much they could push the machine to it's limits, plus, you basically only need a handfull of them to do the work, with the Ray, is more of a force multiplayer amphibious assault vehicle that was ment to be mass produced.
It’s probably the original RAY prototype modified to fit Outer Haven’s standards. It has the same face as the original and an almost-identical tail, for starters.
0:50 always loved Ray's intimidating stance when bouncing off the ground after sliding. It reminds me of that time the Tumbler was in Loiter/Intimidate mode in The Dark Knight at the beginning of the film.
I remember being so surprised at how fluid the controls for REX were. They were better than some more modern mech games I've played.
14 years on and this game still looks Amazing!!
I agree
re-agree
Piece of art games, that's the kind of content kojima's does
@@maxwell3220 reagreement
The production values are incredible!
You gotta love how extra Liquid is. He could try to kill Snake in so many ways but what does he chose? Running him over with his giant secret base.
What i dont understand is moments like this. Because at the final fight liquid says this is how he hoped things would turn out. Makes me think was snake ever in true danger of dying by liquid???
@@alejandroc7357 I think yes, Liquid puts obstacles in Snake's path, if he fails and dies that's it (and he does, a lot, depending on the player) but if he succeeds he is getting closer to the stage that Liquid really wants.
@@HubiKoshi well what im getting at. Is canonically does it mean liquid was intentionally losing to snake throughout the series. So he could make it far enough to bring the patriot AI down. Because realistically liquid had many opportunities to kill snake and chose not to.
@@alejandroc7357 It might be that he wanted to do it in a fair fight, to prove he is the superior clone and just Killing Snake when it was easy wouldn't be satisfying for him.
@@HubiKoshi well it’s not really liquid. Big boss at the end reveals that ocelot was just playing a character. But the real liquid would try to kill snake. Where as ocelot has been scheming everything from the start, as far back as mgs 3
If you hold the triangle button REX will roar up into the air and snake will scream Liquid!
And they run when the sun comes up! With their lives...
Oops my bad, wrong game.
Sorry I'm uncultured, which games is this a refference to?
@@mjrdanishdestroyer01 Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
@@דודו-כ4כ shif just realised was this was rules of nature lyrics
@@mjrdanishdestroyer01 yes
yea wrong game sam
What I loved about MGS4 was how otacon was always providing auxiliary advice while the fights are ongoing.
Going to Shadow Moses, reliving the first game, getting into Rex and then fighting ray = I can't finish my thought of how awesome this was!!
That fight which could've been made into an entire Metal Gear spin-off title with different Metal Gears from different times and different loadouts clashing on the virtual battlefield...
Ah, how unfortunate Konami are utterly brainless.
Sounds like a mobile game to me
@@foxyin_1168 even less reasons why current day Konami haven’t still made it yet.
Shagohad go brrrrr
@@foxyin_1168 Sounds like another Pachinko machine to me
Yeah they could lootbox the hell out of that
"Ray may have been designed as a Rex killer but..."
Ray: Proceeds to get brutally pummelled without landing a single hit the whole fight.
Tbf, the said Rexes were not the real thing, but an attempt to replicate. You can't make a proper second Rex without Hal, that's why Rex here still have a chance to crush Ray.
@@donnycorn3086 Good point!
5:46 Still one of my favorite moments in the entire MGS Franchise👉👉
Devious asf run
Me leaving the library after putting a book about women's rights in the Fiction section
@@bodington-LMAO, you dropped this 👑
@@bodington-hahaha holy fuck what an underrated comment
"Nyeheheh, HEH, MUAHAHAHAHA"
I really like the symbolism and imagery behind the Metal Gears, and it makes that eventual moment in Revengeance feel so much more powerful.
These are two man-made beasts, one an old near extinct breed and the other the cutting edge of modern technology. When used to their fullest potential, they can obliterate entire cities more efficiently than a nuclear bomb.
But at their core, they are animals; fighting for survival.
Ray symbolizes the hunter, looking to gather what scraps it can for its pack so they can survive another day; just as killing Snake will prolong the Patriots' plan until someone steps up to take his place.
Rex represents the endangered species, simply fighting for its life under threat of extinction; just like Snake and the Metal Gear franchise as a whole, battling constant opposition despite nearing the end of their own natural lifespans.
It's then poetic that Raiden kills Ray on his own as the tutorial for Revengeance, as nature and warfare constantly evolves to produce new predators to hunt the old.
Even today we see the nature of warfare shaken when the effectiveness of NLAWs and Javelins were proven amidst the Russian invasion of Ukraine, shifting the power dynamic of warfare to focus more on the infantry instead of the tank.
I agree with your comment except for the last point.
Warfare always prioritised infantry, the piss poor performance of russian armor is the result of general russian incompetence
Holy shit that's a good way of thinking of it.
Raiden suplexing a Ray is like an infantryman firing a Javelin at a tank. Both the Ray and the tank are devastating when used to their fullest potential, but that doesn't mean they're impregnable. Even a single infantryman - or cyborg ninja - can take them out, so both have to constantly fight for survival. And both become less than effective when used improperly and incompetently.
It even says in rules of nature that ray is supposed to be hunter and raiden is the prey or that is what desperado thinks
@@nexshrive2163 Raiden is a hunter, and the ray is becoming obsolete, becoming prey that has to do its best to survive or face extinction, representing metal gears as a whole.
Ray isn't something like rex that at the point of extinction (this part is my opinion) maybe desperado somehow makes other MG rays think all other rays are dead
0:40 Rules of Nature starts playing
The time has come to an end
@@MonsoonMemes13 Yeeeahh this is what nature plaaaaaned
@@LawreAnimations being tracked by a starving beast
@@LawreAnimationsBeing tracked by a starving beast
Love or hate that game, but can we just agree that no one expected to be able to pilot the things we've spent five games destroying?
Even better, you're using a Metal Gear to fight another Metal Gear, with the latter DESIGNED to have an edge over yours.
This was a crowning moment in the entire saga, hands down.
Couldn't agree more, man. You said it best. MGS4 was my first game in the series, and I'll be damned if it doesn't hold a very special place in my heart.
@@thetalonking7233 same here brother
Even better, you are using Liquid's original Metal Gear to whoop his ass, there is no greater delicious irony.
More like almost thirty years.
But now in mgrr it only takes one blonde guy with cyborg augmentions to kill it
Good thing raiden was stuck under that rubble. He would’ve revengance status’d the RAY and we wouldn’t have a boss fight to watch!
Edit: my goofy ass wrote boos lmao
goofy ahh boos fight
Never gonna forget the first time I saw the moment of Raiden screaming out Rosemary's name and having memories of their relationship.
My heart broke.
She didn't deserve him after all she's done.
He was pretty aloof and cold towards her actually
@@jedaaa To be honest MGS2's characters are generally really cold.. I can't get myself to finish that game because there's nothing that can make me feel anything for them.Raiden was mentally traumatized though so that can explain certain parts.
Outside of mgs2 though hss a COMPLETELY different person it doesn't even feel like the same character,especially in Rising n he's very likable
But Rose pisses me off
@@xxgamergirlxx7917 You're missing out, mgs2 is by far the most superior game in the franchise, the amount of story content is mind boggling, I've played through it hundreds of times and still find new threads in it, I never bothered with rising because I knew it wasn't the game/story kojima originally intended
@@jedaaa I only played Rising,It has its good and its bad.I can't quite swallow the Jack the ripper thing I hate it.But there's a lot I liked.
I thought of playing Solid 3,4,5 but never got around to it
Mgs2 is good.. I just can't stand most of the cast and I watched it a lot on YT
@@xxgamergirlxx7917 3 is amazing as well, in 30 years of gaming I've never played anything better than this franchise , not by a long shot
Man we need more epic mech fights in games
Yes
I love how in Metal Gear Rising it says that the cyborg bodies from this era are pretty much obsolete, and then you have Raiden pulling stuff like this 8:20
Raiden is a giga chad
well if MGS4 takes place in 2014, and MGR in 2018, ig we truly see how much cyborg technology has advanced with Raiden's suplexation of an entire metal gear four years after he simply buys time for Snake to escape (which ofc is a big thing in and of itself)
The og rising made by kojipro was supposed to take between mgs2 and mgs4 so if we going in hard canon mode the mgs4 robot body is far superior
Finally getting to pilot a metal gear in a metal gear game has got to be the most metal metal gear moment ever in metal gear.
I love the trope of using the old villain (in this case Rex) on are side to defeat a greater evil (Ray/Liquid)
Such an amazing boss fight not only one of the biggest highlights of mgs4 but the series as a whole.
Ray jumping out of the water and sliding along is, I think, a reference to how the Hygogg in 'War in the Pocket' jumps out of the water during the attack on the shuttle, they've even both got big ol' shoulderpad thingies.
5:46 me leaving the pet shop after I teached to all parrots how to say n word
Solid Snake piloting a Metal Gear to fight another Metal Gear was the crowning moment of the franchise
We always wanted to see that since metal gear solid 2 when they mention that ray can counter any rex models but now we get to see this
Snake: "Ah man, my shoulder is absolutely fucked."
Liquid: *Pretends to die on the ground and gets up* "Neener neener neener!"
Snake: "Oh yeah!?" *Somersaults out of Metal Gear Rex onto shoulder* "OH GOD THAT HURTS SO MUCH!!! Why did I do that? Why didn't I just do a normal jump and land on my feet???"
Can you imagine this fight choregraphed like Metal Gear Rising? That'd be...metal AF.
not just metal
METAL GEAR
This game was really ahead of it's time.
Totally.
All MGS games were.
@@bradleyseagor not survival
@@Zenzuu That's not an MGS game
@A Toaster indeed
1:05 That scream is just not the same without the first few beats of Rules of nature
5:46
Ocelot just did a FilthyFrank on him lmfao.
0:27
Raiden learned from this incident, which may have been the only reason he survived the initial attack of blade wolf and the falling debris right before excelsus.
because he learns from his mistake
Reminds me of him constantly being punched in the jaw until his fight with Armstrong. He's so proud of dodging the hit and then gets sent flying, that's just comical
5:46 liquid:filthy frank
Old snake:weeaboo Jones
These 2 Metal Gear are objectively the best designed mecha in Fiction
Titanfall 2 begs to differ
@@punchoponcho5238 I said objective not subjective
@@VegaFic I prefer both Titanfall 1 titans and the metal gear rex. Both reek of gritty militarism and I love it. They're both far more capable then there mass produced follow ups. Ray and Titanfall 2 Titans flop because they not only went all in on science fiction, overly complicated designs but also specialized them.
@@VegaFic It can go like this, who would win a ogre titan from the first or a scorch Titan from the second? The answer would be the ogre. Because while the scorch Titan may have thermite it's predecessor has rechargeable shields, missiles and rechargeable counter abilities. Stuff that yes the scorch model has fought against or posseses but not to the same extent. It's a outsourced fancy toy but not a war machine.
This is one of the coolest missions in metal gear series.
If only there were more opportunities to pilot a Metal Gear. This was one of the series’s most epic moments
Even with such an old game, it still holds up graphics wise today, even without the 4k rendering. Still play it on my ps3.
Rex: [===============]
Ray: [== ]
Ocelot: _THAT ALL YOU GOT?!_ (ノಠ益ಠ)>
Raiden [============]
Sam[=. ]
Also Sam: Just getting started
5:12 the whole secuence after liquid stands up its so funny, snake falling and liquid just laughs jjaj
There's something about charging up that laser to max level and firing it dealing massive damage. Like charging up the railgun and you hear that indicator. 👌
Good thing ray is programmed to jumped around like an easy target
Jump like a fortnite player
Ocelot is jobbing on purpose. He kinda needs Snake alive to do his thing. Doesn't mean he can't have fun.
The final battle against Ocelot was epic.
But THIS should have been the final boss.
The fact that Liquid piloting Rex in MGS1 couldn't kill one man with a rocket launcher shows how much he needed to read the instruction manual
This whole chapter was just a roller coaster of emotions.
If you start playing Rules of Nature at 1:36 the fight and the song will be *perfectly* synchronized.
Rex is halfway destroyed from MG Solid, and STILL is badass to beat Ray.
Either Liquid wasnt the best (Rex) pilot, or figthing in the hagar greatly hindered his movement.
@@danielsantiagomontoyaotalv1595 definitely. Rex was one of a kind, a real badass villain (I'll never forget playing MGS1, and that view of Rex as you run down the hall. It was epic, and the atmosphere of it sitting in there was ominous.
Even in Rex's damaged state, it still whoops Ray's butt, which was meant to destroy Rex in the first place. Really shows that Otacon completely over engineered the thing and was so extremely powerful. Imagine they had been mass produced and bad guys had gotten a bunch. Scary thought. Good thing its only a video game. I'm currently building the Kotobukiya model of Rex. There really is so many parts to this thing.
Good thing that otacon even gave rex some flaws
“What?! They have a metal gear? here?!”
I’m convinced saying random names is a staple of the Metal Gear series
snake's grunts when rex kicks will never get old
The fans waited over 20 years to finally control a Metal Gear and battle against other one.
And it was glorious.
Metal Gear Rex may be old, but it was hardly obsolete
The entire premise is absurd because RAY was specifically designed to hunt down and destroy Metal Gears including the older REX. One of it's shinning feature no one Metal Gears but RAY had was it ability to be fully amphibious, with the ability to quickly traverse through continents and intercept any opposing forces with their Metal Gears.
@@DarkZerolit was made to counter cheap copies of rex not the actual rex model
@@DarkZerolalso otacon made modifications to this version of Rex
I find it cool how Rex’s design was all blocky most likely due to the ps1’s limitations, yet it still looks incredible in this game with some adjustments that don’t drastically change it. Really shows how impressive the designers of Rex are.
1:11 Not yet Snake! It's not over yet!
I love the mechs in metal gear, they always pull off the 80s aesthetic.
Besides the fight I absolutely loved Ocelot trolling Snake by pretending to die from FoxDie like in the original game.
FOX
*random ass pause*
DIE!
"Otacon, I see something... There's a Metal Gear rising from the water!"
When the rex grabs the ray with its "mouth" , 3:43 just remember where the cockpit of the rex was
this was one of the best Metal Gear fights in the whole series and you can’t deny it
1:16 “what happens when you condense a gas”
I love when ocelot gets up and starts pointing his fingers and laughing like a kid
Being able to finally pilot Metal Gear Rex was a Dream come true for me! Thanks Hideo Kojima!!!!!
5:46 me running after putting a cookbook in the women’s sports section
Me running after putting women’s rights in the fiction section
Me running after putting a book about LGBTQ propaganda in the fiction section
This was like a dream come true..everybody who ever played the games wanted to play and control a metal gear ahaha
I can only imagine the amount of maniacal laughter that being able to pilot a Metal Gear against a Metal Gear must have unleashed.
Seriously, some real-life villain will look fondly back on when they first got a taste of robot-on-robot carnage. Not even saying it's a bad thing!
5:48 It is incredible that this moment and 8:58 this other one occur in the same scene
Two types of comments
Metal gear rising comments about Raiden
Or
Comments about how Rex finally got to play hero
"MOSES! WHERE OUR FATES WERE BORN! AND WHERE YOURS ENDS SNAKE!"
Poetic, no?
By the way, those are mostly real weapons REX is armed with. It's two 30-mm GAU-8 cannons (same ones used on the A-10), a rack of Hellfire anti-tank missiles - specifically, the extended-range, laser-guided (as opposed to fire-and-forget) variant, potentialy with a fragmentation sleeve and inertial measurement unit upgrades, intended for UAVs - and a free-electron laser version of the already-existing deuterium flouride-pumped Tactical High Energy Laser; how the last one works, I have no clue, because chemical lasers are not free-electron lasers.
There's an Electric Oxygen Iodine Laser IRL. Probably a hyrid on the REX too.
raiden quite literally has the indomitable spirit in him
The sub roars like the final boss in Panzer Dragoon Orta
This was literally the biggest fan dream come true.
Snake is fighting a Metal Gear specifically designed to counter Metal Gears, while using a Metal Gear. And wins! How awesome is that!
Seeing robot dinosaurs fight each other and hearing Godzilla and King Kong is 10/10
First time I played this Masterpiece I was not expecting to control Rex...and Battle against Ray was probably the most epic moment in gaming history.
Snake ate Metal Gears for breakfast, he destroyed Metal Gears as infantry soldier, so what Ocelot was hoping to do against the greatest Metal Gears Killer who was controlling the Metal Gear Rex 🤣
Best game ever!
MOSES... WHERE OUR FATES WERE BORN... AND WHERE YOURS END SNAKE ! *GRUNTS AS THEY BOTH RIDE THEIR METAL GEARS, A FIGHT TO THE DEATH*
This SHOULD be a game entirely. Having all the metal gears and a metal gear battlefield like TITAN fall 2. This game MUST happen.
Snake's mech: futuristic cyberpunk robot using cutting-edge technology, equipped with a vast array of destructive weapons enough to snuff out an entire platoon of troops.
Ray's robot:
N O O T - N O O T
I mean, we all know what animal his mech is based on, right?
the fact that close quarrters combat program is what let Rex Wreck ray is so cool.
Hearing REX weapon sound is the same sound from MGS1 was to impressive.
Literally the moment all Metal Gear fans were waiting for the entire series!
I can't even fathom the physics of how the sub decides that it can push aside the concrete dock, but all of a sudden Raiden standing in the way on said dock somehow stops it. But then again, we'd see him somehow toss a Ray around in the biggest middle finger to physics and the concept of leverage I've seen in any game to date so...
Of alll the things in metal gear physics bother you about the realism of it all
Porque son caricaturas hijo, no tes chingand0
@@conorduffy4550 I guess we can just consider Raiden a latent psychic or something.
Solid Snake, the inferior clone piloting the “inferior” Metal Gear in REX. Both beaten down and rusted against the superior Liquid Snake and RAY, and still coming out on top. The layers to this fight are incredible and I havent gotten over it since.