Are Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 49 The Same Event? Has Jeremiah 49 Been Fulfilled?
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2022
- Bill Salus and Tom Hughes take a look at the prophecies in Jeremiah 49 and Ezekiel 39.
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Many thanks to both of you and your ministries. You are doing the work of our Lord.
I got into a mice discussion with “:Irving Tithe” who is informative and fun to volley with! But, forgot to thank you, Bill, for your sacrifice (leaving Legal) and kind of doing what Missler did! I was at a couple of Chick’s teachings and did the 4 Spiritual Law-wake folks up on the beach, thing while at the church - Costa Mesa? Can’t remember anymore. Anyway, I have read all your books and am on a 3 or 4 time on some. I keep having to read Psalm 83 over and over as Tsarfati thinks 83 was part of the 70[s wars. I have pinged him that those were not pure, border, Arabs! Doesn’t listen - Kids! Any way - THANK YOU!!!! Great ministry! Can’t wait to sit on the mezzanine with you and Chuck and watch to see whose correct!
Yes Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 49 are describing the same event/conflict but not the one your talking about, Ezekiel 38 39 described the war in syria, while Jeremiah 49:23-27 also described the war in Syria. Concerning Damascus:
“Hamath and Arpad are dismayed,
for they have heard bad news.
They are disheartened,
troubled like[d] the restless sea.
24
Damascus has become feeble,
she has turned to flee
and panic has gripped her;
anguish and pain have seized her,
pain like that of a woman in labor.
25
Why has the city of renown not been abandoned,
the town in which I delight?
26
Surely, her young men will fall in the streets;
all her soldiers will be silenced in that day,”
declares the Lord Almighty.
27
“I will set fire to the walls of Damascus;
it will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.”
Elam hasnt occurred yet but, the sixth trumpet is sounded so the time of Jeremiah 49 elam is coming, athough you could say that the leaders of iran that chiefs of their might keep getting broken first in 2020 solomoni then the syrian/iranian embassy a few months ago and now the leader of iran helicopter crash, so which one was Jeremiah referring to as the chief of elams might probable all of them.
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Excellent! I would love if u could do a short one about psalms 83 if u think that is prior or later to Jeremiah 49? Totally agree 49 before 38..I believe 38 kicks off jacobs trouble
Wnat about the signing of the 7 year Agreement? The first 3.5 years are fine, then “the desolation” and the MOP attacks Israelis - violating the Agreement. So, isn’t the last 3.5 years the time of Jacob’s Trouble? I’’, with you on Jer. B4 38! However, the MOP is going to be revealed sometime before the Agreement - B4 84? After? Because, MOP Cant come out until the Holy Spirit is removed! I believe that’s us as the Holy Spirit dwells within us, and when we go, the Holy Spirit will go too. So, I am more interested in what will happen either “because” or, “as a result of” the Rapture!
@@davidwm324 HI brother! Wasnt sure if you meant that comment for me or the host.
If for me, i do believe jacobs trouble is 7yrs. I understand the arguement that Daniel 9 is referring to Christ 3 1/2:yr ministry and him being the one cut off but not for himself and that he confirmed the covenant with many..and i agree... but, i also believe this can be the case for a multiple fulfillment as antichrist mimics everything christ does and we know Israel will make a covenant with death...so I believe Satan will also fullfill a total 7 yrs ( of course actually incarnating at the mid 3 1/2 mark)
I'm not dogmatic about this most of this but as it stands with my studies so far, and what seems logical according to their descriptions,
I believe jeramiah 49, then psalms 83 with Isaiah 17 ( same players) then Ezekiel 38-39
The thing I feel slightly dogmatic about more than anything is Ezekiel being at the beginning of the 7 yrs. First of all they burn weapons for 7 yrs..so we need at least 7 to work with?! Also in Ezekiel it's days several times that after this war isreal will know their God.. the veil is lifted at this point
Also if you look closely at description in Ezekiel, I believe it very much matches seal 1&2 and Trumpet 1&2 ( and yes I believe these happen concurrently can point out some verses that i believe show revelation is sequential but chronological )
Ezekiel says...it's for booty,
seal 1 is to conquer
Ezekiel says " every man's sword shall be against his neighbor"
seal 2 says
"..and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword"
Ezekiel says in regards to its supernatural ending of Gods doing "and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire and brimstone.
Trumpet 1 says" and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth.
Interesting to note here that the Jewish sources ive read, believe Ezekiel 38 comes before their messiah does
Also n the Jewish oral books in regards to the 10 plagues of Eygpt( that are mirrored in Rev) it says ".. Behold, tomorrow when the sun passes this point..whereat Moses made a stroke upon the wall- " I will cause a very grevious hail to pour down, such as will be only once more, when I annihilate Gog with Magog with hail fire , and brimstone"
This sounds exactly like the Ezekiel 38 war and the description of trumpet 1 !
Also note Ezekiel38 mentions an earthquake " and all men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, and the steep places shall fall and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Trumpet 2 says " something like a GREAT MOUNTAIN, BURNING WITH FIRE, was thrown in the sea"
Interesting to think about!
@@LivingTithe Thank you for answering! I love your reasoning, too! Consider this: The “7 years” is convenient to place on the 7 year deal, but remember the start of the 7 yrs is the signed peace agreement between the Man of Perdition and Israel. I think Israel exchanges Peace for Weapons and not for land (as they have used the last Ezekiel War to gain back all the land God promised them - or rather - back all of God’s land!) Think of this: God promised us (post Pentecost Believers) that we, as the BRIDE OF CHIRST, would not experience God’s Wrath. AND, it’s important that a ‘“Holy Spirit vacuum” happen so that the MOP can show up! There are evil spirits already coming into spaces before unable to because of the presence of the Holy Spirit. The USA, for instance, has turned it’s back on God: BHO and JB being proof!. So, WE are fighting great infestation of evil spirits right now! This is bringing on God’s wrath and WE are not to experience that! Can there be a revival and delay the trigger of God’s wrath? SURE! Thats what we are supposed to be doing! Things are bad right now because bad people are doing things. - WE are experiencing BAD right now because GOD’s People ARE NOT doing things!!! We can’t blame all this on Satan - because - Satan is less powerful than us when we carry the full Armor of God!!! If we collectively equip ourselves, things get better. Simple equation. HOWEVER - following the time line: Psalm 83 and Damascus, we can be here. Damascus is a big “if”. When Damascus blows, and we are still here? Work like crazy to prepare for the final exam before Jesus! In fact, we should be cramming for that exam right now! What should we be doing? WHAT HE TOLD US TO DO!!! Win souls and make disciples! If your soul is with Jesus and you are not helping folks find the Lord or not making disciples, you are screwing up the moment you have before the Lord - which - if Damascus blows - as it should - PING! Time is UP because we are GOING UP!
@@LivingTithe I meant: Things are NOT bad right now because bad people are doing things. Things ARE bad right now because GOD’s people are NOT doing (the right) things! Bringing folks to Christ and making disciples.
I agree with your time lines other than the Trib being 7 years. I think it’s the last half when the MOP declares himself over God. If you believe the 7 thing has to relate to Satan too, there is plenty of time before the signing of the Agreement for the Ezekiel war to bring about big damage (remember - northern Israel takes a big hit!) such that Israel is seeking peace - big time! However, they have learned that Peace for Land doesnt work. Plus, the Palestinians ans virtually all of the Muslims are blown away by then (Baal gets slaughtered). So, there is no one who even wants to think about Israel’s land because the Lord makes His point pretty clearly! After Revelation 4, we are gone to the Bema Seat meeting with Christ, the Wedding Ceremony, and most likely our assignments during the Millennial reign Remember, on those who suffer with Christ (ALL Believers post Pentecost have the right to rule and reign with Him but the verse says “IF SO BE,,,” we suffer with Him! Want proximity to Christ forever? Suffer with Him! How? By doing what He asks us to do! And, the last thing He asked was to win souls and make disciples. Sure, there are those who have to give their lives. But, more Christians will loose their rewards due to more subtle things: using gifted time on earth to NOT do those two commands! When adding up the dayL what is the percent for the Lord. That kind of says it all! If we are not living for Him right now - the Bema seat will have one peaking over a pile of ashes versus stacks of Gold Silver and Precious Stones! (BTW - those are metaphoric for true rewards we experience both during the Millennium and (very controversial) for eternity,. I believe we are here to make choices and those choices will result in rewards and I thoroughly believe those rewards have to do with eternal proximity to the source of Love and Truth
@@davidwm324 so True David! I think alot of us are feeling the spiritual attacks. The last 2 years have been very difficult. A lot of losses. I find myself wanting to do is read my Bible every minute I get! There is always something more to learn. What you said could possibly be the way it works out. I'm fairly undecided but i must consider it could be for land as the jeramiah 49 I believe Israel gains Jordan in this war? I'll have to go reread. Also I am trying to remember where I've heard the idea of it being a "peace" covenant as Daniel 9 doesn't specify its for peace ( just says he confirms a covenant with many). I think I have gotten the peace part from other scripture as isreal appears to have some level of protection until mid point.
Thanks for your fellowship and input brother