Thanks for the feedback. One of these days Ill make an updated version. I think I can make a shorter video with judlst as much information (and updated to include more practical application).
Thank you very much. I have watched many videos but your wording has resonated in a way that my math and understand actually checks out for the first time. Very much appreciated.
Very interesting video, and thank you for putting the time and effort into making it, the presentation worked nicely with your explanations! I loved how you went into the nitty gritty of everything, but I guess I felt like I wanted to hear you talk about some examples of how one might use the understanding of these damage mechanics to one's advantage in a build. Perhaps this will be a focus of a future video you make, I'm not sure, but it would have been awesome to follow up your teachings about how converting to multiple damage types is good etc. with some examples of pieces of gear, certain mods, or parts of the skill tree that help us take advantage these mechanics! Hope that makes sense, again thank you for the video I thoroughly enjoyed it and I have subscribed
Amazing feedback! I love to hear things like this; it gives me ideas for future content. There's a lot I wanted to cover in this, but I felt like the video was longer than most people prefer already. However, I wanted to provide a good understanding of the underlying mechanics. Another video where I provide some examples of "applied" information would be great. Thanks!
@@CowPimp Totally understand! You certainly have provided a great understanding of underlying mechanics and should be proud of it, looking forward to future videos from you :)
Damn, just learned inc elem, inc light dmg and inc spell are going in the same pool, that's why my builds suck. I thought they were in 3 different pool. Thx man!
@@dr3adfulr3aper44 I wouldnt count on it, but I will if I get the chance. I try to stream based on what my fiance is doing, and she saw very little of me this weekend lol. My channel is simply twitch.tv/cowpimp - Follow me there, and I do try to give a little heads up on Twitter when Im about to stream.
Very kind words! It's hard to get back and do content creation right now, but kind words like this may help me find the muster to make some time for it!
Dear author, I'm not good enough in English language , so please explain what was suppose to meant by a term - "diminishing returns" ? I used google translate in order to understand this - but it does make any sence at all. And above all I've never seen this term in the very game.
Hey there! First, I just wanted to mention that I just released a new version of this video a day or so ago. I have a link in the description to version 2.0. As far as the meaning of diminishing returns: it means that more you invest, the less efficient it becomes. For example, if you have no increased damage anywhere on gear or passives, then the first 100% you increased damage you get doubles your damage. Then going from 100% to 200% increased damage only gives you 50% more damage. Going from 200% to 300% increased damage only gives you about 33% more damage. Thus, the more you invest into a given stat like that, the lower the relative boost to damage. So, one of the key points of the video is you don't want to just keep investing in one stat; you want to spread your investment across a lot of different multipliers to damage. Hopefully that helps!
If we want to scale for example claw attack speed with jewels, which option is most stronger (inc attack speed, inc attack speed with claws, inc attack speed with one handed melee)? Thats something that i dont understand well.
Assuming we're talking about the same value for each one (5% increased attack speed vs 5% increased attack speed with claws) there is no difference. As long as you meet the conditions of the conditional modifier (in this case, if you are wielding a claw), then it's the same as a generic modifier to attack speed. The major difference is that each of these has different ranges they can roll. Generally speaking, the more specific conditional modifiers can roll higher numbers. So, in the previous example, increased attack speed can roll 3-5%. Increased attack speed with claws can roll 6-8%. So, the attack speed with claws modifier is better (if you're wielding a claw of course) simply because the roll range is higher. Check out poedb.tw/us/ and you can see all the different roll ranges that are possible for any mod.
Having trouble determining on a 3G/3B chest cyclone CoC shock nova, bladefall (inc crit strikes required) what to do with the last blue socket. Shock nova is my main damage dealer at around 35K at 6.66 cast per second. Although every other cast is blade fall I’ve been using concentrated effect As it buffs cyclone, blade fall, and shock nova but with nova being the main damage dealer is lightning pen better? Probably not much of a difference since I have hybrid damage but I’ve tried both and can’t really determine if the lightning penetration on 35K per cast is better than concentrated effect bringing my cyclone to around 45k dps and bladefall up to 27k per cast. I’m sure my nova is really nerfed on bosses with the massive resists. Not sure how to go about scaling for bosses
53:43 - "knock , knock, knock" the guy behind the wall try to deal a critical strike to the wall, pls explain to him that all walls has mod - "immune to critical strikes" , and also all walls has 50% chance to cast a debuff to player, which is - "when you deal more than 10 hits, - your hit chance equals a zero" - because some random neighbor will come and will kick ur ass
I have a question, I cannot seem to find out. As a miner, icicle build, Just found a void forge. Can I benefit from this? Please help. Watching video now. Lol
Not really no. The only stat that would help you is the one that says your elemental damage can shock, and I guess the life as well. The gain 300% of weapon physical damage as an extra element line doesn't affect icicle mine. Icicle mine has a base of cold damage, not physical damage. Also notice that it specifically says weapon. So it doesn't provide a bonus to any source of physical damage, only that coming from a weapon (the Voidforge itself). Thus, only attack builds will benefit from that stat.
Hey Rico. Any added damage on your weapon is local to the weapon. That is, it only applies to attacks with that weapon unless otherwise specified. So, if youre talking about a mod that says add X to Y lightning damage, then it only applies to attacks with the wand. If youre talking about a mod that says add X to Y lightning damage to spells, then it would apply to ball lightning. If youre talking about a mod that says increased elemental damage, then that would apply globally and also affect ball lightning. Hopefully that helps.
Hopefully that means you learned something! If you have any questions please pop by the stream and ask away. I'm happy to try and clear up any confusion.
Accuracy is weird because it gers converted to chance to hit, which is what you really need to understand the impact on your damage. Check the PoE wiki to see how accuracy translates into chance to hit.
Dude you have to show some real time examples. I mean imagine trying to learn a programming language with some one just talking in a slideshow with no real examples on how it gets applied. You basically just said a bunch of big catch words and talked around it. I gotta say this was really hard to follow!
Yeah that's fair. I suggest watching my next video, as I received a similar piece of feedback and then made a build review afterward. I reference a lot of the same ideas, but in an applied setting, so hopefully that ties a few things together. I want to make some more like this.
@@CowPimp no worries it's just me when a subject becomes very dense i absorb more the information when its divided in smaller parts than one full chunk of mega upper info. Usually the human average attention span is about 45 minute...i think i got by 23min at the time. Lol good content tough just need to watch it several times.
@@justasktien7098 One of the first things I want to do if I get the chance to really make content again is update this guide. I definitely want to make it shorter, and also include some more "applied" examples. Those seem to be the two biggest criticisms of the video. Thanks for that feedback!
@@CowPimp thanks for your time making it(and the future to come), I know is not easy to create content and find the proper formula in lengths, accuracy of the information and make it simple to understand. the simple fact that I've been playing over 2k hours and years into and still cannot manage to scale damage is proof of the complexity of their damage scaling algorithm and Programmation: it simply sux.
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22:00 and on... amazing amazing information my dude! Very well spoken and clearly intelligent
awesome guide dude. many don't have the attention span for thing long of a video but I sure appreciate the comprehensive breakdown.
Thanks for the feedback. One of these days Ill make an updated version. I think I can make a shorter video with judlst as much information (and updated to include more practical application).
@@CowPimp yes please
Thank you very much. I have watched many videos but your wording has resonated in a way that my math and understand actually checks out for the first time. Very much appreciated.
So glad you enjoyed. Cheers!
Great video!! I appreciate the time you took to make it. Made my long drive to work markedly more enjoyable!
Glad you enjoyed it. That sounds like the perfect way to listen to something long and technical like this. Thanks for the kind words.
Why isn't there more views??? Well put together dude.
I actually made an updated version; it's stealing some of the views. Thanks for the kind words!
Very interesting video, and thank you for putting the time and effort into making it, the presentation worked nicely with your explanations! I loved how you went into the nitty gritty of everything, but I guess I felt like I wanted to hear you talk about some examples of how one might use the understanding of these damage mechanics to one's advantage in a build. Perhaps this will be a focus of a future video you make, I'm not sure, but it would have been awesome to follow up your teachings about how converting to multiple damage types is good etc. with some examples of pieces of gear, certain mods, or parts of the skill tree that help us take advantage these mechanics! Hope that makes sense, again thank you for the video I thoroughly enjoyed it and I have subscribed
Amazing feedback! I love to hear things like this; it gives me ideas for future content. There's a lot I wanted to cover in this, but I felt like the video was longer than most people prefer already. However, I wanted to provide a good understanding of the underlying mechanics. Another video where I provide some examples of "applied" information would be great. Thanks!
@@CowPimp Totally understand! You certainly have provided a great understanding of underlying mechanics and should be proud of it, looking forward to future videos from you :)
Damn, just learned inc elem, inc light dmg and inc spell are going in the same pool, that's why my builds suck. I thought they were in 3 different pool. Thx man!
I dead ass checked both my front and back doors thinking someone was knocking. Great vid
Haha I forgot about the work being done or whatever it was during that video. Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you so much for this video, completely blew my mind.
Thanks for the feedback! If you have more questions please feel free to pop by my stream and ask. Cheers!
@@CowPimp Are you streaming tonight?
@@dr3adfulr3aper44 I wouldnt count on it, but I will if I get the chance. I try to stream based on what my fiance is doing, and she saw very little of me this weekend lol. My channel is simply twitch.tv/cowpimp - Follow me there, and I do try to give a little heads up on Twitter when Im about to stream.
Great vid thank you
can u do one for defenses too? 🙂 this is very helpful
Thanks for the suggestion. It is absolutely something I want to do. I need to set aside some time maybe late in the league when my playtime goes down.
CowPimp yehey
Incredible video. Please come back to POE and make more. Thanks a lot for this
Very kind words! It's hard to get back and do content creation right now, but kind words like this may help me find the muster to make some time for it!
Dear author, I'm not good enough in English language , so please explain what was suppose to meant by a term - "diminishing returns" ?
I used google translate in order to understand this - but it does make any sence at all. And above all I've never seen this term in the very game.
Hey there! First, I just wanted to mention that I just released a new version of this video a day or so ago. I have a link in the description to version 2.0.
As far as the meaning of diminishing returns: it means that more you invest, the less efficient it becomes. For example, if you have no increased damage anywhere on gear or passives, then the first 100% you increased damage you get doubles your damage. Then going from 100% to 200% increased damage only gives you 50% more damage. Going from 200% to 300% increased damage only gives you about 33% more damage. Thus, the more you invest into a given stat like that, the lower the relative boost to damage. So, one of the key points of the video is you don't want to just keep investing in one stat; you want to spread your investment across a lot of different multipliers to damage.
Hopefully that helps!
@@CowPimp THank u ! Now it becomes understandable.
If we want to scale for example claw attack speed with jewels, which option is most stronger (inc attack speed, inc attack speed with claws, inc attack speed with one handed melee)? Thats something that i dont understand well.
Assuming we're talking about the same value for each one (5% increased attack speed vs 5% increased attack speed with claws) there is no difference. As long as you meet the conditions of the conditional modifier (in this case, if you are wielding a claw), then it's the same as a generic modifier to attack speed. The major difference is that each of these has different ranges they can roll. Generally speaking, the more specific conditional modifiers can roll higher numbers. So, in the previous example, increased attack speed can roll 3-5%. Increased attack speed with claws can roll 6-8%. So, the attack speed with claws modifier is better (if you're wielding a claw of course) simply because the roll range is higher.
Check out poedb.tw/us/ and you can see all the different roll ranges that are possible for any mod.
@@CowPimp Tyvm, that was always confused me, now i understand thanks to your help.
Having trouble determining on a 3G/3B chest cyclone CoC shock nova, bladefall (inc crit strikes required) what to do with the last blue socket. Shock nova is my main damage dealer at around 35K at 6.66 cast per second. Although every other cast is blade fall I’ve been using concentrated effect As it buffs cyclone, blade fall, and shock nova but with nova being the main damage dealer is lightning pen better? Probably not much of a difference since I have hybrid damage but I’ve tried both and can’t really determine if the lightning penetration on 35K per cast is better than concentrated effect bringing my cyclone to around 45k dps and bladefall up to 27k per cast. I’m sure my nova is really nerfed on bosses with the massive resists. Not sure how to go about scaling for bosses
I would have to see everything in PoB to reasonably answer that.
53:43 - "knock , knock, knock" the guy behind the wall try to deal a critical strike to the wall, pls explain to him that all walls has mod - "immune to critical strikes" , and also all walls has 50% chance to cast a debuff to player, which is - "when you deal more than 10 hits, - your hit chance equals a zero" - because some random neighbor will come and will kick ur ass
LOL I forgot about that!
I have a question, I cannot seem to find out.
As a miner, icicle build,
Just found a void forge.
Can I benefit from this?
Please help. Watching video now.
Lol
Not really no. The only stat that would help you is the one that says your elemental damage can shock, and I guess the life as well.
The gain 300% of weapon physical damage as an extra element line doesn't affect icicle mine. Icicle mine has a base of cold damage, not physical damage. Also notice that it specifically says weapon. So it doesn't provide a bonus to any source of physical damage, only that coming from a weapon (the Voidforge itself). Thus, only attack builds will benefit from that stat.
I play ball lightning with a wand : why is my elemental damage modifier on my wand useless ? Ball lightning > ligthning > elemental ? No ?
Hey Rico. Any added damage on your weapon is local to the weapon. That is, it only applies to attacks with that weapon unless otherwise specified.
So, if youre talking about a mod that says add X to Y lightning damage, then it only applies to attacks with the wand. If youre talking about a mod that says add X to Y lightning damage to spells, then it would apply to ball lightning. If youre talking about a mod that says increased elemental damage, then that would apply globally and also affect ball lightning.
Hopefully that helps.
Want ur kid to learn basic arithmetics? Make them play games which indirectly involve maths :P
I am not joking; I literally made a comment like that to a friend of mine last night who expressed the needed to sharpen his math skills.
I feel like an idiot watching this
Hopefully that means you learned something! If you have any questions please pop by the stream and ask away. I'm happy to try and clear up any confusion.
Watch on 1.75 speed, little easier to get through
Yeah, its longer than most would prefer Im sure. Hopefully its worth it for the PoE beginners out there. Thanks for watching!
@@CowPimp You did a great job with it! Subscribed
Cheers!
Diagree. The comfortable speed at which this video should be watched is highly dependent on the person who watches.
This is way too much Math for my dumb ass thats for sure... still don't understand accuracy at all
Accuracy is weird because it gers converted to chance to hit, which is what you really need to understand the impact on your damage. Check the PoE wiki to see how accuracy translates into chance to hit.
this could be a gateway for kids to learn math. Hahaha
Totally. You have to find a way to make a topic relevant for people to care. PoE can certainly do that for math!
Dude you have to show some real time examples. I mean imagine trying to learn a programming language with some one just talking in a slideshow with no real examples on how it gets applied. You basically just said a bunch of big catch words and talked around it. I gotta say this was really hard to follow!
Yeah that's fair. I suggest watching my next video, as I received a similar piece of feedback and then made a build review afterward. I reference a lot of the same ideas, but in an applied setting, so hopefully that ties a few things together. I want to make some more like this.
Sounds good, thanks for the response!
zZZzzZZzz omg i got lost lOL
If you have any suggestions, or can identify what issues you had with the video, then it would be much appreciated to hear. Thanks for the feedback.
@@CowPimp no worries it's just me when a subject becomes very dense i absorb more the information when its divided in smaller parts than one full chunk of mega upper info. Usually the human average attention span is about 45 minute...i think i got by 23min at the time. Lol good content tough just need to watch it several times.
@@justasktien7098 One of the first things I want to do if I get the chance to really make content again is update this guide. I definitely want to make it shorter, and also include some more "applied" examples. Those seem to be the two biggest criticisms of the video. Thanks for that feedback!
@@CowPimp thanks for your time making it(and the future to come), I know is not easy to create content and find the proper formula in lengths, accuracy of the information and make it simple to understand. the simple fact that I've been playing over 2k hours and years into and still cannot manage to scale damage is proof of the complexity of their damage scaling algorithm and Programmation: it simply sux.