After shooting with the Q2 now Q3 28mm for years, now that I’ve trained myself on it, I can’t let go of that 28mm focal length. The Q3 28 can, if I compose correctly, get me great 35mm crops and a good 50mm crop (like 18.9 MP worth in camera). For EDC and storytelling, the 43mm is lovely but inadequate for my stuff. So, you guys nailed it.
Excellent review as always! I purchased the Q3 28mm after I received solid advice from H. I was considering the 43mm but after I was reminded that that my Voightlander 50mm 1.0 does the job of the 43, the 28 was the right choice. I took the Q3 and Zf to San Fran and NY and loved using both of them! Looking forward to the next office hours and next year's workshops! Thank you Rick and Mr. H!!!Love this channel!!!
@@ddwp6704 I’ve done this for about 6 weeks now and I have found it very satisfying to carry both in a small kit everyday. Not unlike carrying a larger body with two lenses. And I find myself using each about the same so far. Love the fact that when I switch I have the same settings so not unlike switching lenses on one body. And no more worries about sensor dust! 😂
Nice, even keel assessment of the camera and the pluses/minuses of the focal length. In case you guys were not aware, the Voigt 50/1 is now available in Sony mount.
Good discussion, think you captured the essence of the Q cameras. Always other ways to capture the images, but these bring together a fairly unique combination. For me the 43 is perfect, albeit somewhat unexpected - off and on had tried to purchase a q3 (28) since a couple of months after launch, to no avail. Btw ags supply (dba analogous, ironically also in portland) offers a high quality, machined 10mm black plate to replace the red dot, fixes the only thing I didn't like about this camera.
Great review and discussion on the three/ok five cameras! And such great images! I'm loving my Q3 as you said I would. And I won't divulge here what else I'm now carrying in my kit as I don't want to be labeled. 🤣 But suffice to say I've drastically reduced my kit size and weight and love my decisions. And that's what counts. Thanks. Oh and your settings files were a great help and start for me. But I've found that I can now tweak them so quickly myself it's very satisfying. See you on 17th, and then at DV workshop!
Worth pointing out that that amazing Voigtänder 50mm f1 lens is available in the Sony E-Mount too, so you can build yourself a 60MP Leica equivalent with the Sony A7CR. Gorgeous!
Alll your points are well taken if one have multiple SLR to choose from, coming from M film background I tend to gravitate to the 43 more for street shooting.
@@cycling.guitarist totally. It's sheer personal preference. This compliments a huge arsenal of mirrorless nikon gear for me from the Zf to the Z9. But... I just prefer the 28mm if that's all I have with me. And I prefer the the Voigtländer 50 1.0 on the Zf to the 43. But they're both awesome. :)
Hey Hudson! Completely unrelated. Just snagged the ON1 Master Class... SUPER excited that you two developed it! I'm on the A7RV now so I don't catch as many of your videos, but of all the photo-centric channels I follow, this is still my favorite. If the Z7III has a variable tilt screen and lets me get close to 26mp in an ASPC mode, I may switch back :D.
@@emmagao2705 Congrats and happy holidays! We'd love to have you on a trip. Be sure to email Rick@hudsonhenry.com. He's the workshop coordinator. It's hard these days to get into one without talking to him before they launch.
Like you, I find the Zf with the Vlander 50mm 1.0 a hard to beat combo! Took me a bit to learn how to maximize the manual focus assist tools…and to recognize lighting situations that might cause CA with the lens wide open…..but I’m glad I stuck with it…I don’t see the need for a Q yet because there are so many fun lens options (Nikon and others) to explore. Hoping the Nikon 35mm f1.2 comes out soon…it might give me all the fun I need…and push me away from a q3 28!
I bought the Q3 43 with the intention of trading in my Q2 Monochrom but have ended up keeping both (for now) as they are both great cameras and I just can't let go of the Q2M. For the lens cap, I find it difficult to source the Match Technical solution here in Europe and have gone with the dutch made Otect Q-Cap for the Q2M and will probably use the same brand for the Q3 43 when they bring it out in January as it works very well, you might want to check it out as an alternative for folks who find the Match Technical cap hard to get hold of. Love the channel and would love to join one of your workshops over this side of the pond.
I have a chance to buy the Q3 28 used with a couple of accessories for $3500. It has a couple of blemishes. On the top plate is a coating mark that only shows up at certain angles. The more troublesome blemish is on the top of the flippy screen with the paint scraping off from the action of moving the screen in and out. Have you Hudson or anyone else experienced this? And is the camera still worth it for $3500?
I would love to be able to afford a Leica. Love having a Sony shooter on here Hudson! It was a painful decision to switch to Sony (partly b/c this channel is Nikon-centered).
@ So true, no excuse for bad photos anymore… Loved your Scotland workshop. My family heralds from there… have always wanted to visit Iona Island. Our lands were surrounding Loch Lomand. Looked like you all had a wonderful time! Your Glacier vid made me homesick. My In-Laws are from there, lived in MT for many years (USAF).
Let's hope that these fixed lens Q cameras' success (along with the Sony RX1 you mention briefly) will inspire manufacturers to offer more options in the near future. I tried the Nikon ZF but the less-than-good ergonomics, heavy weight and less than straightforward means to change settings prompted me to return it (keep with my Z6ii) and save my money for that hoped-for future compact offering.
@@Rick--A-F No image stabilisation on that one will mean that the resolution or noise performance of medium format is kind of pointless most of the time.
@@RegrinderAlert I haven't heard anything to suggest it won't have IBIS. I used to have the GFX50S which doesn't have it. It never really presented much of an issue for me.
@@DSG0805 not exactly. It's an applied camera LUT instead of the default Adobe standard. It's raw so you can tweak it and if you switch to Adobe standard profile at the top of the right develop panel, then it will be color and like a lightroom default intake.
The 43 mm version felt more like a hype, an experience that had never been had before, there is no Q2/Q in 43mm. If there is a Q4 43 at some point, it will get less attention. Everyone wanted more focal length than 28 mm (Leica has fulfilled this) and now you can see that 28 mm is the perfect focal length for this camera. I bought my Q3 28 mm in May this year and have now had it in Barcelona, Venice, Lake Garda and Thailand and have taken several portraits with the Q3 and I love the 28 mm..
Great video, still in doubt between the 28 and 43. Sold all my Canon, decided to switch to Leica. I would probably use the camera for family vacation, shooting what we see and do. Shorter big city trips in Europe. Family, grandchildren and food. I don`t do the typical street photos but shooting the people, surroundings during my trips. If you only had the money for one either 28 or 43 and you didn’t own any other camera what would you choose?
I could only buy this if I had a 28mm too (and all the money). I couldnt spend money to be locked into this one focal range (albeit I think it is a lovely one). If i were so e rich celebrity photographer i could imagine turning up to a job with the 28mm and 43mm and that would be my kit.
@@JayHarvey3 I love my 50 1.0 Voigtländer on the Nikon ZF much more for that. It's got character galore and two stops more light. I adore the Q3 28 for landscapes, environmental portraits and panoramas. It's much more of an all in one camera for a wide junkie like me if traveling light. The 43 just feels too tight to be my widest frameing option.
I purchased the Q3 43 and am enthused about lens and image quality, but the overall price to value to me is uncomfortable. The Zf plus your 50 suggestions is awfully compelling.
@@Guenounovitch I shot with a optical viewfinder for decades and I have zero interest in doing so again. I tried an M11 and was so happy to give it back. 🤣 In my case multiple focal lengths are what the latest Nikon Z gear is for. The Q though is a technical marvel of a little everyday tool that I adore.
"I use it far more than my Z9 which is really just wildlife and sports for me now." Is this true when you were in Glacier shooting scenic landscapes? 1
@@deanmalencik I I'm back and forth. That's a workshop where I have the Z9 on my lap with the 400 TC constantly for wildlife and the Q3 slung. Sometimes, I'll grab the 24-120 ,100-400 or 14-24 for the versatility when it's right there, but often... Yeah. The Q3. I prefer it's IQ and handling for that type of shooting.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks Hudson. I expect that you tend not to use a tripod with the Q3 unless doing some panoramas. How would you feel with a Nikon Z7v3 (rumored) with a 40mm pancake lens and/or the 24-120 zoom?
I know you guys love the Q but Im always left wondering why not the M? No need for two 7k cameras, and the lenses are lifetime investments....just upgrade the body. I have a M(240), a 28 and 35. I could get a 50, I could upgrade the body but 24MP is fine...made huge prints., etc. Just wondering. Tx
@@DamonBates I shot with optical viewfinders for decades and rejoice in never needing to again. I spent a day with an M11 and said no thanks. Love the lenses, but an EVF is mandatory for me.
Really liked my m11p, but ultimately sold it because I found myself 90% relying on the visoflex2. Kept several m-mount lenses however, perhaps some future m variant will have an integrated evf. If that never happens they work nice on the zf etc with the ttartisan 6 bit adapter. At any rate, kept the Q3 43 mostly because it feels very much like a Leica, but has the integrated evf.
No flip-out screen means there are a lot of times where you will miss out on way more pleasant framing than with a fixed-screen camera. Q series is a good compromise of the M series tactile fun and versatility.
Just sold my Q3 43 this week 2 major trouble for me a no go 1 the focus ring mouve when you old your caméra around your head crazy ! So when you set it with zone focussing or hyperfocal after walking 2 minutes the ring has Turned so for street photo it's a disaster 2 i use eye détection focussing for human doing street you get 80% out of focus when you cross people in the street a desaster when a z9 or sony get 95% acurate focus How come youtuber do not talk about that ?
@@HudsonHenryPhoto ok you did not try eye detect but if you keep your camera around your nake with a strap did not you notice that the focus ring turn by itself ? it's not stable. With the Z9 no trouble : you can walk your camera with a strap in the street the ring will not move. with the Q3, your focus zone move if you do not check every time before shooting because of the ring moving...
@jeanmarcschipper8471 I would never ever put a camera around my neck. I sling it with a QD on my hip. I look down at the ring before I take any critical shot. Takes a fraction of a second. Never liked the eye detect. I say that in my setup guide. Field and spot are fabulous, as it's the manual focus. I adore the Q3. You'd have to pry it away from me. I use it far more than my Z9 which is really just wildlife and sports for me now.
Ok then this review is just about the way you use a caméra, you do not put yourself in the average man taking picture. I understand, loved your z9 guide. Have fun with the Q3 :)
@@jeanmarcschipper8471 hardly. I've taken a group of people on a journey of how to use this camera to it's full potential in the exact same way I have the Z cameras. I have setup guides, downloadable profiles and many videos about the Q2 and Q3 that precede this. It's the same camera with a different lens. I'm speaking to that group.
Thank you for helping me justify my recent Zf purchase.🙂
After shooting with the Q2 now Q3 28mm for years, now that I’ve trained myself on it, I can’t let go of that 28mm focal length. The Q3 28 can, if I compose correctly, get me great 35mm crops and a good 50mm crop (like 18.9 MP worth in camera). For EDC and storytelling, the 43mm is lovely but inadequate for my stuff. So, you guys nailed it.
Excellent review as always! I purchased the Q3 28mm after I received solid advice from H. I was considering the 43mm but after I was reminded that that my Voightlander 50mm 1.0 does the job of the 43, the 28 was the right choice. I took the Q3 and Zf to San Fran and NY and loved using both of them! Looking forward to the next office hours and next year's workshops! Thank you Rick and Mr. H!!!Love this channel!!!
Q3 28mm is DOPE! 😊
As usual, a super helpful contrast and comparison between the 2 Q's (and other comparable options). Thanks
I have purchased both the Q3-28 and now the Q3-43 and plan to keep both for at least a year before I make up my mind. Wish me luck.
@@ddwp6704 I’ve done this for about 6 weeks now and I have found it very satisfying to carry both in a small kit everyday. Not unlike carrying a larger body with two lenses. And I find myself using each about the same so far. Love the fact that when I switch I have the same settings so not unlike switching lenses on one body. And no more worries about sensor dust! 😂
@@PBimagescom I just got a Q3 43 this week and am going to keep both for a while. Hoping to discover the same pleasure with them as your experience!
Nice, even keel assessment of the camera and the pluses/minuses of the focal length.
In case you guys were not aware, the Voigt 50/1 is now available in Sony mount.
Good discussion, think you captured the essence of the Q cameras. Always other ways to capture the images, but these bring together a fairly unique combination. For me the 43 is perfect, albeit somewhat unexpected - off and on had tried to purchase a q3 (28) since a couple of months after launch, to no avail. Btw ags supply (dba analogous, ironically also in portland) offers a high quality, machined 10mm black plate to replace the red dot, fixes the only thing I didn't like about this camera.
Great review and discussion on the three/ok five cameras! And such great images! I'm loving my Q3 as you said I would. And I won't divulge here what else I'm now carrying in my kit as I don't want to be labeled. 🤣 But suffice to say I've drastically reduced my kit size and weight and love my decisions. And that's what counts. Thanks. Oh and your settings files were a great help and start for me. But I've found that I can now tweak them so quickly myself it's very satisfying. See you on 17th, and then at DV workshop!
Worth pointing out that that amazing Voigtänder 50mm f1 lens is available in the Sony E-Mount too, so you can build yourself a 60MP Leica equivalent with the Sony A7CR. Gorgeous!
Alll your points are well taken if one have multiple SLR to choose from, coming from M film background I tend to gravitate to the 43 more for street shooting.
@@cycling.guitarist totally. It's sheer personal preference. This compliments a huge arsenal of mirrorless nikon gear for me from the Zf to the Z9. But... I just prefer the 28mm if that's all I have with me. And I prefer the the Voigtländer 50 1.0 on the Zf to the 43. But they're both awesome. :)
Hey Hudson! Completely unrelated. Just snagged the ON1 Master Class... SUPER excited that you two developed it! I'm on the A7RV now so I don't catch as many of your videos, but of all the photo-centric channels I follow, this is still my favorite. If the Z7III has a variable tilt screen and lets me get close to 26mp in an ASPC mode, I may switch back :D.
Great content, love the picture comparisons. Got Q3 28mm as Christmas gift and I’m new to photography, interested in knowing more about your workshop!
@@emmagao2705 Congrats and happy holidays! We'd love to have you on a trip. Be sure to email Rick@hudsonhenry.com. He's the workshop coordinator. It's hard these days to get into one without talking to him before they launch.
Like you, I find the Zf with the Vlander 50mm 1.0 a hard to beat combo! Took me a bit to learn how to maximize the manual focus assist tools…and to recognize lighting situations that might cause CA with the lens wide open…..but I’m glad I stuck with it…I don’t see the need for a Q yet because there are so many fun lens options (Nikon and others) to explore. Hoping the Nikon 35mm f1.2 comes out soon…it might give me all the fun I need…and push me away from a q3 28!
I bought the Q3 43 with the intention of trading in my Q2 Monochrom but have ended up keeping both (for now) as they are both great cameras and I just can't let go of the Q2M. For the lens cap, I find it difficult to source the Match Technical solution here in Europe and have gone with the dutch made Otect Q-Cap for the Q2M and will probably use the same brand for the Q3 43 when they bring it out in January as it works very well, you might want to check it out as an alternative for folks who find the Match Technical cap hard to get hold of. Love the channel and would love to join one of your workshops over this side of the pond.
@@alwyng572 awww thanks so much
@@alwyng572 we'd love to have you join us! Enjoy those fabulous Qs.
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I have a chance to buy the Q3 28 used with a couple of accessories for $3500. It has a couple of blemishes. On the top plate is a coating mark that only shows up at certain angles. The more troublesome blemish is on the top of the flippy screen with the paint scraping off from the action of moving the screen in and out. Have you Hudson or anyone else experienced this? And is the camera still worth it for $3500?
I would love to be able to afford a Leica. Love having a Sony shooter on here Hudson! It was a painful decision to switch to Sony (partly b/c this channel is Nikon-centered).
@@cohoonatube all the brands are so great these days. We always have Sony shooters on our trips too.
@ So true, no excuse for bad photos anymore… Loved your Scotland workshop. My family heralds from there… have always wanted to visit Iona Island. Our lands were surrounding Loch Lomand. Looked like you all had a wonderful time! Your Glacier vid made me homesick. My In-Laws are from there, lived in MT for many years (USAF).
Let's hope that these fixed lens Q cameras' success (along with the Sony RX1 you mention briefly) will inspire manufacturers to offer more options in the near future. I tried the Nikon ZF but the less-than-good ergonomics, heavy weight and less than straightforward means to change settings prompted me to return it (keep with my Z6ii) and save my money for that hoped-for future compact offering.
I'm really hoping the rumours about a Fujifilm GFX fixed lens camera are true.
@@Rick--A-F No image stabilisation on that one will mean that the resolution or noise performance of medium format is kind of pointless most of the time.
@@RegrinderAlert I haven't heard anything to suggest it won't have IBIS. I used to have the GFX50S which doesn't have it. It never really presented much of an issue for me.
@ main rumor says it won’t have it. And it makes sense, otherwise the body would be way thicker.
If I shoot in RAW with zf in b+w is the raw image transferred back to b+w in lightroom the same as the one in bacl of the screen?
@@DSG0805 it is f you go into the Plugin settings and tell Lightroom Classic to read the camera profile. It'll come in just like the Jpeg settings. :)
@ oh nice. So when it comes in that way, are the sliders positioned around in a way to indicate what is different?
@@DSG0805 not exactly. It's an applied camera LUT instead of the default Adobe standard. It's raw so you can tweak it and if you switch to Adobe standard profile at the top of the right develop panel, then it will be color and like a lightroom default intake.
@ good info. Thanks! Side note: I just love my zf 50mm f1 voigt combo. It makes me very happy haha
Yes, the Voightländer 50/1 is good, isn’t it? Have you tried the perhaps less perfect 15/4.5 Heliar? I’d very much welcome your opinion.
I did not like it much. It would be find on APS-C
@ The native Voightländer Z-mount 15/4.5 isn’t bad, although clearly the Zeiss Milvus & Otus FF F-mount is perhaps something else?
The 43 mm version felt more like a hype, an experience that had never been had before, there is no Q2/Q in 43mm. If there is a Q4 43 at some point, it will get less attention. Everyone wanted more focal length than 28 mm (Leica has fulfilled this) and now you can see that 28 mm is the perfect focal length for this camera. I bought my Q3 28 mm in May this year and have now had it in Barcelona, Venice, Lake Garda and Thailand and have taken several portraits with the Q3 and I love the 28 mm..
A 35mm Q4 would be the perfect compromise!
Great video, still in doubt between the 28 and 43. Sold all my Canon, decided to switch to Leica. I would probably use the camera for family vacation, shooting what we see and do. Shorter big city trips in Europe. Family, grandchildren and food. I don`t do the typical street photos but shooting the people, surroundings during my trips. If you only had the money for one either 28 or 43 and you didn’t own any other camera what would you choose?
If you're looking for a single camera solution, then I think the Q3 43 is a much better all-rounder.
That totally depends on your eye. I love skies and foregrounds and the 43 is way too tight to be my one and only. 28 is perfect.
Q photographing Highland-Qs, I still have my Q Typ 116 and think it's more versatile than the 43.
I could only buy this if I had a 28mm too (and all the money). I couldnt spend money to be locked into this one focal range (albeit I think it is a lovely one). If i were so e rich celebrity photographer i could imagine turning up to a job with the 28mm and 43mm and that would be my kit.
Maybe Leica could come up with something like the x100 WCL/TCL you could slap on the regular q2/q3 and only charge $5999 for it 😀
Has anyone tried using those Fuji adapters on a Q? They’re 49mm after all.
Strange you chose the 28 (which is more of a 26) over the 43, which is what the eye sees which is ideal for street.
@@JayHarvey3 I love my 50 1.0 Voigtländer on the Nikon ZF much more for that. It's got character galore and two stops more light. I adore the Q3 28 for landscapes, environmental portraits and panoramas. It's much more of an all in one camera for a wide junkie like me if traveling light. The 43 just feels too tight to be my widest frameing option.
I purchased the Q3 43 and am enthused about lens and image quality, but the overall price to value to me is uncomfortable. The Zf plus your 50 suggestions is awfully compelling.
The feather photo BLEW MY MF MIND
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In the process of watching I can already say I went with an m11. Because I knew I would like it I didn’t want to buy two Leicas 😂
@@Guenounovitch I shot with a optical viewfinder for decades and I have zero interest in doing so again. I tried an M11 and was so happy to give it back. 🤣 In my case multiple focal lengths are what the latest Nikon Z gear is for. The Q though is a technical marvel of a little everyday tool that I adore.
"I use it far more than my Z9 which is really just wildlife and sports for me now." Is this true when you were in Glacier shooting scenic landscapes?
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I'm back and forth. That's a workshop where I have the Z9 on my lap with the 400 TC constantly for wildlife and the Q3 slung. Sometimes, I'll grab the 24-120 ,100-400 or 14-24 for the versatility when it's right there, but often... Yeah. The Q3. I prefer it's IQ and handling for that type of shooting.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks Hudson. I expect that you tend not to use a tripod with the Q3 unless doing some panoramas. How would you feel with a Nikon Z7v3 (rumored) with a 40mm pancake lens and/or the 24-120 zoom?
I know you guys love the Q but Im always left wondering why not the M? No need for two 7k cameras, and the lenses are lifetime investments....just upgrade the body. I have a M(240), a 28 and 35. I could get a 50, I could upgrade the body but 24MP is fine...made huge prints., etc. Just wondering. Tx
@@DamonBates I shot with optical viewfinders for decades and rejoice in never needing to again. I spent a day with an M11 and said no thanks. Love the lenses, but an EVF is mandatory for me.
Really liked my m11p, but ultimately sold it because I found myself 90% relying on the visoflex2. Kept several m-mount lenses however, perhaps some future m variant will have an integrated evf. If that never happens they work nice on the zf etc with the ttartisan 6 bit adapter. At any rate, kept the Q3 43 mostly because it feels very much like a Leica, but has the integrated evf.
No flip-out screen means there are a lot of times where you will miss out on way more pleasant framing than with a fixed-screen camera. Q series is a good compromise of the M series tactile fun and versatility.
Too expensive regardless of what credentials the camera came with
@@hishamosman4341 worth every cent.
Just sold my Q3 43 this week
2 major trouble for me a no go
1 the focus ring mouve when you old your caméra around your head crazy ! So when you set it with zone focussing or hyperfocal after walking 2 minutes the ring has Turned so for street photo it's a disaster
2 i use eye détection focussing for human doing street you get 80% out of focus when you cross people in the street a desaster when a z9 or sony get 95% acurate focus
How come youtuber do not talk about that ?
@@jeanmarcschipper8471 I don't use it's eye detect. I use field and I ride shotgun on the hyperfocal no problem at all. The Q3 is money for me.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto ok you did not try eye detect but if you keep your camera around your nake with a strap did not you notice that the focus ring turn by itself ?
it's not stable.
With the Z9 no trouble : you can walk your camera with a strap in the street the ring will not move.
with the Q3, your focus zone move if you do not check every time before shooting because of the ring moving...
@jeanmarcschipper8471 I would never ever put a camera around my neck. I sling it with a QD on my hip. I look down at the ring before I take any critical shot. Takes a fraction of a second. Never liked the eye detect. I say that in my setup guide. Field and spot are fabulous, as it's the manual focus. I adore the Q3. You'd have to pry it away from me. I use it far more than my Z9 which is really just wildlife and sports for me now.
Ok then this review is just about the way you use a caméra, you do not put yourself in the average man taking picture.
I understand, loved your z9 guide. Have fun with the Q3 :)
@@jeanmarcschipper8471 hardly. I've taken a group of people on a journey of how to use this camera to it's full potential in the exact same way I have the Z cameras. I have setup guides, downloadable profiles and many videos about the Q2 and Q3 that precede this. It's the same camera with a different lens. I'm speaking to that group.