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I lived in toronto at the time, and I remember that storm. one of the top 10 worst storms I've ever been in. I remember hearing live on TV about a plane accident, and remember our minister of transport flying out to Toronto and that by the time he arrived it had been confirmed everyone had survived.
I would be remissed if I didn't mention that 27 years earlier, Air Canada Flight 189, a McDonnell Douglas DC-9 ran off the very same runway as Air France Flight 358, killing two people. After that accident, authorities recommended that the ravine be filled in, but guess what? It wasn't. Maybe that's a story best saved for another day.
It is a great aircraft that suffered the fate of all 4 engine jets. The only other incident that comes to mind happened with one before it was delivered when a group doing final ground testing managed to take a perfectly operating A340 and total it into a wall when they neglected to have the brakes engaged while powering up the jets for a test.
It helps that it has not been in production as long as equivalent airliners, so they haven't been handed down to cheaper "budget" airlines that scrimp on maintenance.
@@paulsz6194 There's a lot. Until they g9t caught, Alaska Airlines, for one. Until not even greasing a jackscrew cost a planeload of people their lives. Chalk's Ocean Airways had a wing fall off because of metal fatigue literally covered up with a doubler plate. Just. Ecause the aren't recent doesn't mean they didn't happen, and doesn't mean it isn't happening today. Alaska got away with skipping the grease for years until it caught up to them. Even not so bargain airlines got in on it. China Airlines. Northwest. Delta, American. British Air. Sure, they might get fined a few hundred thousand when caught, but if they "save a couple million", that's a win. Until people die. Don't fool yourself. FAA Airworthiness Directives literally take years to be implemented. How long would it take for anyone to catch an airline isn't using manufacturer-issued maintenance procedures? Just two years ago an airplane engine exploded due to turbine blade failure. Metal fatigue unnoticed sincd inspection intervals from the engine manufacturer were skipped to save money.
I always like the near misses rather than the crashes, it shows when even when the aircraft is fully functioning humans still err and this was the end result. Great video Chloe
The post crash event had the most Canadian of outcomes. There is a big, smoking jet spilling jet fuel in the middle of a raging lighting storm and the locals did not hesitate to stop their cars, help the survivors evacuate, drive the injured to hospitals, and shuttle the uninjured to the airport terminal.
Do you think people elsewhere wouldn't do that? Not to take anything away from the kind people of Canada, particularly those who helped, but I think most people who found themselves near a plane crash would actually stop to help the survivors. There are many stories of heroism and bravery of ordinary people on the ground who helped survivors of other air accidents. I think the real difference here is that there were so many people in the near vicinity who could help, and honestly I think we all just want an opportunity to thank Canadians for being nice.
@@beenaplumber8379 I know this is an old comment, but I can think of some U.S. cities where, it being close to "rush hour" with some people already on their way home from work, fewer people might've stopped, or they might have stopped but been reluctant to give someone a lift unless they were injured, or given them a lift just to the closest convenient place on the next highway exit ramp. Also, if too many people pull over, it is likely that at least one lane will become obstructed. This, in addition to the other drivers slowing down to see what was going on, could easily cause traffic to build up, and interfere with the ability of first responders to get to the crash site. In summary, rush hour can be BRUTAL in some places, and drivers can be easily afflicted with their own "get-there-itis". However, I think it's true that most people would stop if they thought they could help. (And people always do!) But I still think Canadians are perhaps more generous with the time and hospitality they are happy to extend to complete strangers. 😊 Which is not to say that Americans can't be, just that I don't think our hyper-individualistic culture encourages it to the same extent.
I remember I was in Toronto when this happened, we were returning home from Toronto a few days after the crash. I was so young at the time I didn’t understand but watching the crash back when I was older, I truly understand how this is a miracle.
@@jcrosby4804 I actually like the happy ending ones, cos the endings show how much work has been done to make flying safer for everyone. Also, as a side note, on December 17th, 2023, powered fixed wing aviation will turn 120 years old. A lot has changed in that time period for the better.
Whenever Disaster Breakdown posts a video I stop what I’m doing and watch the video.Please continue making these videos they are very informative and nicely animated
I've been making my way through your backlog of videos, and while none of them where ever anything below great it's amazing how far this channel has come! Thank you for all the work you put into these vids!
@@DisasterBreakdown are you using new audio software? It sounds a bit ‘cleaner’ than usual, it could just be my ears are still ringing after my 9 week old’s screaming match earlier 😂 As always though, another excellent video ❤
I never expected this accident to come up. Air France 358 really was a miracle. Many major accidents and many regulation changes to improve safety really show how much aviation safety has come. Related to Dan Air Flight 34 that had occurred in 1979. I would like to see a tragedy that also happened to Dan Air again in the following year and this involves returning back to Tenerife. Dan Air Flight 1008. That occurred in April of 1980. This was by means the same airport that the worst air disaster had occurred 3 years prior.
This accident was a "core memory" for me as a kid from Toronto (I was 7 at the time). At the time, my family was between houses, and was living in my aunt's apartment. There were some bad storms, and I associate the storm on that day with a pine tree on the side of the highway bending from the wind. Either hours after the crash or the next day, my mom said "you can see the smoke from the balcony", and I saw it. The apartment wasn't that far from the airport. Coupled with me stumbling over an episode of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation later on, I was hooked on airplane accidents. The highway next to the runway Highway 401, and is the busiest highway in North America. The accident actually happened near a major highway junction with the 403 and the 410, and I think they closed that section of the highway for a couple of days. According to a friend of the captain, the reverse thrust wasn't deployed immediately because the first officer was grasping the throttles, trying to balance himself while dealing with the bad crosswinds. The accident was similar to another accident that happened on the runway next to 24L in 1979, where an Air Canada DC-9 rejected a takeoff due to a blown tire, but overran the runway and basically dropped into the ravine. Because the drop-off was steeper on that side, 2 people died in that accident. They recommended that the ravine be filled, but it wasn't.
I can imagine being a Toronto resident on this plane, evacuating, being in complete shock, and asking someone who picked me up on the freeway to just take me home.
The way you said "absurdly large highway" has to be the best description I've heard from any non-Canadian of the 401. Summed it up perfectly. Absurdly large and still backed up for miles! I remember this incident, as I had just moved down to Southern Ontario, and we were planning to head to Toronto the next day. I was sure it was a total loss. I was so happy to hear that no one was lost. Disaster averted is my favourite kind of disaster video. This has to be one of your best videos yet. It sounded very crisp and clean, and your editing skills and vocal delivery are just getting better and better! Well done, Chloe!
I've been waiting for someone to cover this. I was driving home from work on that fateful afternoon- on hwy 401, right past the burning wreckage. I live about 30 minutes north of CYYZ. The sight was surreal and once my brain had processed what I was looking at, I was choking back tears, imagining the deaths. I was truly overjoyed when I learned that everyone had survived. I don't drive past the airport much anymore, but every time I catch a glimpse of 24L and the ravine, I remember it.
@Dan I've read often that it's the busiest stretch of highway in North America. From 4 lanes at the eastern end of Lake Ontario it grows to 14 through Toronto, near the western end.
It’s CRAZY. I’ve merged onto 401 from the 400 and the 403. Is not just absurd it’s obscene. Everything is coming into TO and you’ve got to jockey your way across something like 7 full lanes of other merging roads and highways to get to the right area of the highway to get to where you’re going.
Another great video Chloe, you’re so amazing! Thanks so much for all the time, effort and care you put in. It’s evident in the end result. This has been one of my very favorite channels, ever since I found it! ☺️✈️
Have quickly becomed a huge fan of your channel. Best thing is that you have a voice and way of telling the story so i dont get tired of listening,great job.
A very well done video Chloe, this is probably my favorite video of yours now. As someone who lives very close to Toronto, this accidents hits close to home. I was only 5 at the time and I remember that day well enough. I was at home chilling since it was the summer and I remember just before dinner, looking at the TV and seeing the news reports about the accident. It was pretty shocking even at such a young age. This accident is the one I'm the most fascinated by and I've even been to the same ravine that the plane crashed down. The flight number that Air France uses nowadays is very similar but not the same. It's now 356 instead of 358 and they usually use an Airbus A350-900, but occasionally they'll use a 787-9 or a 777-300.
You know Chloe you would be absolutely perfect to do audio books as well. You should try it If u get some extra time. It could be another side hustle for u. In my opinion your voice and vocabulary would make u a stellar book reader. Just a suggestion because your explanations in this genre is truly wonderful. Take care alright
I was heading to Montreal Quebec that day, I was actually sitting in traffic during that storm on the 401 when this happened. I remember seeing the fire and people everywhere. West bound side were helping the passengers luckily all made it out.
The plane was cleared to land at 16:04 EDT on Runway 24L, which at 9,000 feet (2,700 m) in length is the shortest runway at Pearson Airport. After touchdown, the aircraft did not stop before the end of the runway, but continued for 300 metres until it slid into the Etobicoke Creek ravine, on the western edge of the airport near the interchange of Dixie Road and Highway 401. Dixie Road and Hwy 401 is in Mississauga. I live on Dixie and Burnhamthorpe and could could see the smoke from my balcony on that day.
If you don't like the weather in Canada, wait 20 minutes... To add a layer of horrifying for those who aren't familiar with Toronto or the 401, know that the 401 is by far the busiest highway in the country. While Canada is a large country, much of the population is concentrated in a handful of cities, and roughly 25% of the country lives in or near Toronto. Millions drive and commute on the 401 daily. If that plane had actually made contact with that highway at 4pm on a Tuesday, this crash would have been far more devastating than it wound up being.
There's a little typo at 18:03, the incident on June 22nd 2003 is flight 5672, not 5627. I googled flight 5627 and there's nothing so I did a little search for this incident. Nonetheless, this is a very well-done video, and I'm looking forward for the next week's "Disaster Breakdown".
Thankyou 4 this weekends video another great 1 yet again all tho im unable 2 watch them due 2 being blind ur commentary on them is second 2 none so hats off 2 ur great work and effort . Thankyou 😃
My brother was chief of police at Pearsom International Toronto at the time of the incident. He was the first responder at the scene. Climbed onto the wing and got the first passengers of the plane. Recieved the national award for bravery.
these videos are a delightful balance between "the residents in the area selflessly rushed to help those in the wreckage" and "the residents in the area looted the crash site and victims bodies for valuables"
The a340 was designed with the current ETOPS rules which required 4 engines for certain routes. Then they changed the ETOPS rules and the A340 almost instantly became obsolete. That's why it didn't sell well.
The first ETOPS 120 minute rule trans-Atlantic flight was performed by TWA on a twin-engine Boeing 767-200 from Boston to Paris on Feb. 1, 1985. The A340 entered service in March 1993. As ETOPS rules gradually increased the time limit an aircraft could be from the nearest diversion airport on one engine, more and more routes could be flown by twin engine aircraft. ETOPS 180 was adopted in 1988 and was gradually increased over the years. In fact the A350 XWB was granted ETOPS 370 before it even entered into service.
@@mazdaman0075 cool stuff, thanks. Mentour Pilot or someone like him did a good video on the A340, and how even in its development Airbus knew the rules were changing and why they kept going anyhow, can't remember the details, but it's a good video to watch.
I know that the actual plane was an Airbus A340-300, but it’s great to see the A340-600 in this video, in Air France livery. I myself, am really a Boeing man, but I love me some A340-600’s. Those things are behemoth; stretched out so long, that they are like the stretch limousines of commercial jetliners.
Fantastic video, as always! Very nice to see a local feature covered by you. I grew up hearing about this incident and how it broke on the news with the images of the smoke burning in the Etobicoke Creek. As a note, the worst aviation accident to occur near Toronto was Air Canada Flight 621 in 1970. A fairly new DC-8 crashed after a go-around due to inadvertent spoiler deployment on final approach. All occupants sadly perished in the crash, a stark contrast to this Air France incident. There were a number of first hand witness accounts of the crash of AC 621. There is also a well placed memorial marking the crash site just north of Pearson Airport in what is now Brampton. It might be an accident you may find rather interesting, and a very sad series of events.
I mean it's nice that the people on the highway apparently drove some passengers home but I don't even want to imagine the stress this put on everyone who was trying to get a count of the survivors. You can't just leave an accident without telling any official. Now someone has to try to track everyone down and ask if they're alive or not. Even if you're completely unharmed, just wait at the hospital for someone from the police or airline and don't go home until they know you survived the crash.
"The 401 highway, an *absurdly* large road," your commitment to accuracy never fails. It is, in fact, an absurdly large road. Genuinely ridiculous how big the 401 gets
I just flew on Air France 777 yesterday. They are an amazing, accommodating airline. We flew from France to New York. I couldn't say enough good things about them.
I was just thinking about this accident recently when watching another air crash video that reminded me of it. Also, living in the area and remembering that day makes it an easy one to remember and for something to remind me of it.
I remember this vividly! There was about a 2 week period of a LOT of incidents. I was doing some work and had CNN on in the background. I lived about 20 miles or so from Pearson Airport. Saw it on TV, dark skies. Took a few minutes to realize (once they said where it was) how close it was to me since, out my window, it was very sunny! I looked down and could see water running down the street... That storm was SO compact that it was raining hard mere blocks from me, and yet sunny a few blocks away. It was the year I started photographing storms...
Fun fact: the 401 is the busiest and largest highway in north america. As someone whose been stuck in it... it can be brutal gridlock rush hour traffic. its almost always busy. Its basically the road you have to take to get into toronto.
Very good video. Only one thing, that was not mentioned: why not simply going around?! The accident diagnosis was mainly about failure to break due to inactivated thrust reversers. But in the long seconds while the airplane was floating, eating half of the runway, why not simply activating the TOGA button and maximum thrust?
I worked close to the airport when this happened - on the landing path for 24L, in fact. I saw smoke leaving for the day and turned on the CBC to figure out what it was. I remember hearing on the radio that there were no survivors initially, though they corrected that pretty early. It was hours until they figured out everyone survived. You could smell burning aluminum for days.
The A340 is so overlooked and under-appreciated for what is an incredibly safe and versatile aircraft. It's only had like half a dozen hull losses, none of which were fatal and none of which were attributle to any design flaw. I'd take that anyday over the likes of Boeing.
Heck yeah. We think the same. Airbus for the win. Also, the more modern A350, the A340's successor, has had 0 accidents, 0 hull breaches and 0 casualties as of August 10th, 2023. The A319, 320, 330 and 380 are also pretty safe. Here is a safety ranking in my opinion: Airbus > Boeing > McDonnell Douglas > Comet, though the accident stricken DC-10 was a beautiful plane (much before my time sadly), and it wasn't the plane's fault most of the time.
@@thatguyalex2835 "It wasn't the plane's fault most of the time." What a bone-chilling thing to say! Not a ringing endorsement. I agree, the DC-10 was a gorgeous plane, and pilots absolutely loved it, but like the 747, it was a bit of a rush job, and people died. In both cases early on were bad cargo door designs that let the doors blow off inflight.
I lived in southern Ontario at the time of the accident. First I heard of it I was driving home from work and was listening to the Toronto feed of CBC and the traffic reporter mentioned "the accident at Pearson". Yeah, the summer weather can get pretty intense down there. Not mentioned in the video is that the provincial police force staked out the accident location to ticket those who stopped or slowed down to take pictures (not a good idea on a freeway where the posted speed limit is 100km/h and almost everyone goes at least 110).
This accident is a true testament to efficient evacuation procedures and cabin crew training. The accident its self wasn't special in any way, but boy was that evacuation important to the story! Well done to all those involved in getting everybody off swiftly.
He was responsible as he was the captain. He did not make the needed decisions although he should have. Therefore he was not fit to fly. It was the only option Air France had in order not to damage their reputation.
Excellent video. However, the aircraft in the simulations looks like an A340-500 or -600, longer and with larger diameter engines, whereas the accident aircraft was an A340-300, more like the Lufthansa one shown at 1:50 with the smaller engines. I saw the smoke plume of this one while sailing in a race on Lake Ontario. Extraordinary luck that nobody died; the worst injured was the Captain. Excellent point about it being underpowered.
Particularly when some are impeding that effort by trying to drag along personal luggage! 😣 WHY do people do that, esp. after a clearly extreme crash like this?! Keeping your passport, phone & meds on your person when flying only takes a little forethought, & surely anything else isn't worth your life - or anyone else's...? Happens so unfortunately often. Wish I understood better whether this is people in shock operating on auto pilot, or really just self-absorbed eedjits endangering everybody else...?
Suggestion for another “Disaster Averted” video - Eastwind Airlines Flight 517. The Boeing 737 rudder hardover crashes - United Flight 585 and USAir Flight 427…and the averted one - that is, Eastwind Flight 517 seem to be passed over for some reason. I know you’re likely working on 5-6 different videos at any given time but still, it would be cool to see your take on the two crashes and the one averted crash.
This was the 2. Episode of ACI i ever wstched as a small kid back in '07 IT is when it all began ACI until now Season 23 pls never stop making new season ACI for Life!
I remember Air France went through a bad patch in the early 2000s with its safety record, starting with Concorde crash, like Korean Air in the 90s. I'm glad they were able fix the issues and improve their safety record.
That road it crossed over is called convair drive and i would pass this spot to and from home every day on my way to work. It was so....ordinary. I found it so mind boggling this happened here and thankful no one was killed
I’ve been flying in and out of Boston Logan airport for over two decades, and every single time we’re landing I expect to end up in the ocean, either under shooting or overshooting the runway. I know irrational, but… having a sailboats -right- under the plans and not seeing land til you go boom is unsettling.
Yeah with how busy the 401 can get its a miracle it didn't crash into the highway which not only would likely have resulted in the plane crashing into cars and trucks but might even start a pileup making everything worse from the injuries and possible death toll to making it more difficult for emergency services to get to the scene.
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I lived in toronto at the time, and I remember that storm. one of the top 10 worst storms I've ever been in. I remember hearing live on TV about a plane accident, and remember our minister of transport flying out to Toronto and that by the time he arrived it had been confirmed everyone had survived.
I would be remissed if I didn't mention that 27 years earlier, Air Canada Flight 189, a McDonnell Douglas DC-9 ran off the very same runway as Air France Flight 358, killing two people. After that accident, authorities recommended that the ravine be filled in, but guess what? It wasn't. Maybe that's a story best saved for another day.
Great video……You always do an amazing job.
were there 2 passengers that escaped the wreckage of this flight and just catch the connecting flight like nothing happened
Have you ever considered doing one of your video documentaries on Air France 007 which crashed in June of 1962?
the fact that this is the only major accident that comes to mind regarding the A340 shows just how safe the plane is, no fatalities on board
It is a great aircraft that suffered the fate of all 4 engine jets. The only other incident that comes to mind happened with one before it was delivered when a group doing final ground testing managed to take a perfectly operating A340 and total it into a wall when they neglected to have the brakes engaged while powering up the jets for a test.
Maybe it's because I'm from south america, but I remember Iberia losing an A340-600 after overrunning the runway at Quito.
No fatalities there either.
It helps that it has not been in production as long as equivalent airliners, so they haven't been handed down to cheaper "budget" airlines that scrimp on maintenance.
@@MGower4465 hi , which budget airlines skimp on maitenance??
This is news to me...
@@paulsz6194 There's a lot. Until they g9t caught, Alaska Airlines, for one. Until not even greasing a jackscrew cost a planeload of people their lives. Chalk's Ocean Airways had a wing fall off because of metal fatigue literally covered up with a doubler plate. Just. Ecause the aren't recent doesn't mean they didn't happen, and doesn't mean it isn't happening today. Alaska got away with skipping the grease for years until it caught up to them. Even not so bargain airlines got in on it. China Airlines. Northwest. Delta, American. British Air. Sure, they might get fined a few hundred thousand when caught, but if they "save a couple million", that's a win. Until people die. Don't fool yourself. FAA Airworthiness Directives literally take years to be implemented. How long would it take for anyone to catch an airline isn't using manufacturer-issued maintenance procedures? Just two years ago an airplane engine exploded due to turbine blade failure. Metal fatigue unnoticed sincd inspection intervals from the engine manufacturer were skipped to save money.
I always like the near misses rather than the crashes, it shows when even when the aircraft is fully functioning humans still err and this was the end result. Great video Chloe
The post crash event had the most Canadian of outcomes. There is a big, smoking jet spilling jet fuel in the middle of a raging lighting storm and the locals did not hesitate to stop their cars, help the survivors evacuate, drive the injured to hospitals, and shuttle the uninjured to the airport terminal.
Do you think people elsewhere wouldn't do that? Not to take anything away from the kind people of Canada, particularly those who helped, but I think most people who found themselves near a plane crash would actually stop to help the survivors. There are many stories of heroism and bravery of ordinary people on the ground who helped survivors of other air accidents. I think the real difference here is that there were so many people in the near vicinity who could help, and honestly I think we all just want an opportunity to thank Canadians for being nice.
@@beenaplumber8379 I know this is an old comment, but I can think of some U.S. cities where, it being close to "rush hour" with some people already on their way home from work, fewer people might've stopped, or they might have stopped but been reluctant to give someone a lift unless they were injured, or given them a lift just to the closest convenient place on the next highway exit ramp.
Also, if too many people pull over, it is likely that at least one lane will become obstructed. This, in addition to the other drivers slowing down to see what was going on, could easily cause traffic to build up, and interfere with the ability of first responders to get to the crash site.
In summary, rush hour can be BRUTAL in some places, and drivers can be easily afflicted with their own "get-there-itis". However, I think it's true that most people would stop if they thought they could help. (And people always do!) But I still think Canadians are perhaps more generous with the time and hospitality they are happy to extend to complete strangers. 😊 Which is not to say that Americans can't be, just that I don't think our hyper-individualistic culture encourages it to the same extent.
I remember I was in Toronto when this happened, we were returning home from Toronto a few days after the crash. I was so young at the time I didn’t understand but watching the crash back when I was older, I truly understand how this is a miracle.
The fact that you were too young to understand in 2005 does not, in any way, make me want to cry old man tears. How do you do, fellow kid? 😆 👴🏽
Were you in Toronto?
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We love a good Disaster Averted. The new editing techniques paid off.
@@jcrosby4804Agreed! We've been short changed on the carnage lately. Even Green Dot Aviation and Mentour Pilot haven't done a deadly crash in weeks.
@@jcrosby4804 I actually like the happy ending ones, cos the endings show how much work has been done to make flying safer for everyone. Also, as a side note, on December 17th, 2023, powered fixed wing aviation will turn 120 years old. A lot has changed in that time period for the better.
Whenever Disaster Breakdown posts a video I stop what I’m doing and watch the video.Please continue making these videos they are very informative and nicely animated
Thank you so much for watching!
@@DisasterBreakdown I have to thank you for producing these amazing videos
Same!
I've been making my way through your backlog of videos, and while none of them where ever anything below great it's amazing how far this channel has come! Thank you for all the work you put into these vids!
Thank you for your kind words! Thanks for watching :)
@@DisasterBreakdown are you using new audio software? It sounds a bit ‘cleaner’ than usual, it could just be my ears are still ringing after my 9 week old’s screaming match earlier 😂
As always though, another excellent video ❤
I never expected this accident to come up. Air France 358 really was a miracle. Many major accidents and many regulation changes to improve safety really show how much aviation safety has come.
Related to Dan Air Flight 34 that had occurred in 1979. I would like to see a tragedy that also happened to Dan Air again in the following year and this involves returning back to Tenerife. Dan Air Flight 1008. That occurred in April of 1980. This was by means the same airport that the worst air disaster had occurred 3 years prior.
This accident was a "core memory" for me as a kid from Toronto (I was 7 at the time). At the time, my family was between houses, and was living in my aunt's apartment. There were some bad storms, and I associate the storm on that day with a pine tree on the side of the highway bending from the wind.
Either hours after the crash or the next day, my mom said "you can see the smoke from the balcony", and I saw it. The apartment wasn't that far from the airport. Coupled with me stumbling over an episode of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation later on, I was hooked on airplane accidents.
The highway next to the runway Highway 401, and is the busiest highway in North America. The accident actually happened near a major highway junction with the 403 and the 410, and I think they closed that section of the highway for a couple of days.
According to a friend of the captain, the reverse thrust wasn't deployed immediately because the first officer was grasping the throttles, trying to balance himself while dealing with the bad crosswinds.
The accident was similar to another accident that happened on the runway next to 24L in 1979, where an Air Canada DC-9 rejected a takeoff due to a blown tire, but overran the runway and basically dropped into the ravine. Because the drop-off was steeper on that side, 2 people died in that accident. They recommended that the ravine be filled, but it wasn't.
I can imagine being a Toronto resident on this plane, evacuating, being in complete shock, and asking someone who picked me up on the freeway to just take me home.
The way you said "absurdly large highway" has to be the best description I've heard from any non-Canadian of the 401. Summed it up perfectly. Absurdly large and still backed up for miles!
I remember this incident, as I had just moved down to Southern Ontario, and we were planning to head to Toronto the next day. I was sure it was a total loss. I was so happy to hear that no one was lost. Disaster averted is my favourite kind of disaster video.
This has to be one of your best videos yet. It sounded very crisp and clean, and your editing skills and vocal delivery are just getting better and better! Well done, Chloe!
Always wanted to see a video on this accident, I feel like it doesn’t get much coverage. Thanks for another great upload.
I noticed that myself when I was looking into it. I thought this would have been covered tons of times on UA-cam but it actually hasn't
Flying to Ireland on a school trip today so I’m gonna wait to watch this tomorrow morning 😂
Have a safe flight!
No, it’s the perfect inboard entertainment. I saves and watch those clips all the time in planes. It’s a real fun.
I've been waiting for someone to cover this. I was driving home from work on that fateful afternoon- on hwy 401, right past the burning wreckage. I live about 30 minutes north of CYYZ. The sight was surreal and once my brain had processed what I was looking at, I was choking back tears, imagining the deaths. I was truly overjoyed when I learned that everyone had survived. I don't drive past the airport much anymore, but every time I catch a glimpse of 24L and the ravine, I remember it.
Disaster Beakdown! wanted to take a moment to congratulate you on your fine work and express how much I enjoy it!
This is one of my favorite channels! thanks Chloe for the vids, and hopefully soon ur longest videos will happen soon :)
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching :)
I found your comment "An absurdly large highway" to be quite humorous, and a first time for me hearing a road described as such.
@Dan
I've read often that it's the busiest stretch of highway in North America. From 4 lanes at the eastern end of Lake Ontario it grows to 14 through Toronto, near the western end.
It’s CRAZY. I’ve merged onto 401 from the 400 and the 403. Is not just absurd it’s obscene. Everything is coming into TO and you’ve got to jockey your way across something like 7 full lanes of other merging roads and highways to get to the right area of the highway to get to where you’re going.
Never heard of Air France 358, but wow, that was a miracle.
A340 one of my favourite airplanes
It's quite underrated
It's a stupid plane
And i love it for it
Another great video Chloe, you’re so amazing! Thanks so much for all the time, effort and care you put in. It’s evident in the end result. This has been one of my very favorite channels, ever since I found it! ☺️✈️
Your videos are always a treat. Your Disaster Averted series are my favorite, take care!
Great to see one of your stories where everyone survived.
Have quickly becomed a huge fan of your channel. Best thing is that you have a voice and way of telling the story so i dont get tired of listening,great job.
A very well done video Chloe, this is probably my favorite video of yours now. As someone who lives very close to Toronto, this accidents hits close to home. I was only 5 at the time and I remember that day well enough. I was at home chilling since it was the summer and I remember just before dinner, looking at the TV and seeing the news reports about the accident. It was pretty shocking even at such a young age. This accident is the one I'm the most fascinated by and I've even been to the same ravine that the plane crashed down. The flight number that Air France uses nowadays is very similar but not the same. It's now 356 instead of 358 and they usually use an Airbus A350-900, but occasionally they'll use a 787-9 or a 777-300.
Video looks very professional and nicely put together. Keep up the great work. I keep coming back for a new video 👍🏽
Another great job. I enjoy how you outlay the pertinent facts without ratcheting up the drama and suspense. Well done. 👏🏻👍🏻
You know Chloe you would be absolutely perfect to do audio books as well. You should try it If u get some extra time. It could be another side hustle for u. In my opinion your voice and vocabulary would make u a stellar book reader. Just a suggestion because your explanations in this genre is truly wonderful. Take care alright
That is a great idea Chloe, but don't give up your day job.
I was heading to Montreal Quebec that day, I was actually sitting in traffic during that storm on the 401 when this happened. I remember seeing the fire and people everywhere. West bound side were helping the passengers luckily all made it out.
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I enjoy your style of explaining airline lingo into simple talk.
Thanks!
Im addicted to your videos. Ive been binge watching a lot of them
I am thrilled you have been enjoying them :)
The plane was cleared to land at 16:04 EDT on Runway 24L, which at 9,000 feet (2,700 m) in length is the shortest runway at Pearson Airport. After touchdown, the aircraft did not stop before the end of the runway, but continued for 300 metres until it slid into the Etobicoke Creek ravine, on the western edge of the airport near the interchange of Dixie Road and Highway 401. Dixie Road and Hwy 401 is in Mississauga. I live on Dixie and Burnhamthorpe and could could see the smoke from my balcony on that day.
Your videos are brilliant, the length is not important if the video is complete with all information. Long or short, we love them, and we thank you.
If you don't like the weather in Canada, wait 20 minutes...
To add a layer of horrifying for those who aren't familiar with Toronto or the 401, know that the 401 is by far the busiest highway in the country. While Canada is a large country, much of the population is concentrated in a handful of cities, and roughly 25% of the country lives in or near Toronto. Millions drive and commute on the 401 daily. If that plane had actually made contact with that highway at 4pm on a Tuesday, this crash would have been far more devastating than it wound up being.
There's a little typo at 18:03, the incident on June 22nd 2003 is flight 5672, not 5627. I googled flight 5627 and there's nothing so I did a little search for this incident. Nonetheless, this is a very well-done video, and I'm looking forward for the next week's "Disaster Breakdown".
Chloe, another sensitive, detailed examination of an event in commercial aviation. Thank you , Girl!
Thankyou 4 this weekends video another great 1 yet again all tho im unable 2 watch them due 2 being blind ur commentary on them is second 2 none so hats off 2 ur great work and effort . Thankyou 😃
Great video, Chole. Very interesting
Glad you enjoyed it!
Oof I'm so glad it was a miracle' type accident instead of a 'tragedy' today. Excellent vid as always!
nice to see the return of disaster averted! great video, as always!
My brother was chief of police at Pearsom International Toronto at the time of the incident. He was the first responder at the scene. Climbed onto the wing and got the first passengers of the plane. Recieved the national award for bravery.
Your videos are AMAZING, way better narrated than air disaster, the weather explanation was asesore, tienes mucho talento
Loving the new details here and there like the background sound effects for the engines!
these videos are a delightful balance between "the residents in the area selflessly rushed to help those in the wreckage" and "the residents in the area looted the crash site and victims bodies for valuables"
Thanks
ive been waiting ages for this incident to be covered
Nice narration voice. And of course great content👍
Thank you!
The a340 was designed with the current ETOPS rules which required 4 engines for certain routes. Then they changed the ETOPS rules and the A340 almost instantly became obsolete. That's why it didn't sell well.
The first ETOPS 120 minute rule trans-Atlantic flight was performed by TWA on a twin-engine Boeing 767-200 from Boston to Paris on Feb. 1, 1985. The A340 entered service in March 1993.
As ETOPS rules gradually increased the time limit an aircraft could be from the nearest diversion airport on one engine, more and more routes could be flown by twin engine aircraft. ETOPS 180 was adopted in 1988 and was gradually increased over the years. In fact the A350 XWB was granted ETOPS 370 before it even entered into service.
@@mazdaman0075 cool stuff, thanks. Mentour Pilot or someone like him did a good video on the A340, and how even in its development Airbus knew the rules were changing and why they kept going anyhow, can't remember the details, but it's a good video to watch.
I know that the actual plane was an Airbus A340-300, but it’s great to see the A340-600 in this video, in Air France livery. I myself, am really a Boeing man, but I love me some A340-600’s. Those things are behemoth; stretched out so long, that they are like the stretch limousines of commercial jetliners.
it’s very nice to hear you speak at the end of the videos, your personality shines through
oooooh, a local story! thanks for covering this one, chloe!
I am an avid viewer of your videos and this is easily on my favorites list because everyone lived!
It's always a pleasant day when I can sit down with a meal and enjoy a new Disaster Breakdown video.
Very well-presented.
Fantastic video, as always! Very nice to see a local feature covered by you. I grew up hearing about this incident and how it broke on the news with the images of the smoke burning in the Etobicoke Creek. As a note, the worst aviation accident to occur near Toronto was Air Canada Flight 621 in 1970. A fairly new DC-8 crashed after a go-around due to inadvertent spoiler deployment on final approach. All occupants sadly perished in the crash, a stark contrast to this Air France incident. There were a number of first hand witness accounts of the crash of AC 621. There is also a well placed memorial marking the crash site just north of Pearson Airport in what is now Brampton. It might be an accident you may find rather interesting, and a very sad series of events.
I mean it's nice that the people on the highway apparently drove some passengers home but I don't even want to imagine the stress this put on everyone who was trying to get a count of the survivors. You can't just leave an accident without telling any official. Now someone has to try to track everyone down and ask if they're alive or not. Even if you're completely unharmed, just wait at the hospital for someone from the police or airline and don't go home until they know you survived the crash.
Excellent work as usual, Chloe. 🙂
"The 401 highway, an *absurdly* large road," your commitment to accuracy never fails. It is, in fact, an absurdly large road. Genuinely ridiculous how big the 401 gets
As a retired airline captain I have never or would never land in a thunderstorm unless on fire It still happens but it defies logic
I just flew on Air France 777 yesterday. They are an amazing, accommodating airline. We flew from France to New York. I couldn't say enough good things about them.
I'm a massive A340/A330 fan, so seeing a video about the A340 is the best.
This will probably be the only time I get to talk about the A340 I think.
@@DisasterBreakdown Well, there's Emirates Airlines Flight 407.
@@DisasterBreakdown Also, I'm surprised by how little music there is in this video to be honest.
@@robertmcghintheorca49 Yeah I went for more sound effects in this one. I figured the lightning and stormy winds added a lot to the atmosphere
Love your content Chloe, excellent as always. PS. Where does your accent originate?
I was just thinking about this accident recently when watching another air crash video that reminded me of it. Also, living in the area and remembering that day makes it an easy one to remember and for something to remind me of it.
I remember this vividly! There was about a 2 week period of a LOT of incidents. I was doing some work and had CNN on in the background. I lived about 20 miles or so from Pearson Airport. Saw it on TV, dark skies. Took a few minutes to realize (once they said where it was) how close it was to me since, out my window, it was very sunny! I looked down and could see water running down the street... That storm was SO compact that it was raining hard mere blocks from me, and yet sunny a few blocks away. It was the year I started photographing storms...
The A340 has always been one of my favourites for its comfort and quietness.
Fun fact: the 401 is the busiest and largest highway in north america. As someone whose been stuck in it... it can be brutal gridlock rush hour traffic. its almost always busy. Its basically the road you have to take to get into toronto.
Also made it into the highlights! That’s the episodes I really want to see more!
Interesting, I never knew about this one.
Good to hear of 100% survival. As usual Clohe did
a great job, so easy to listen and understand her nice voice.
Chills bro. Great storytelling
Very good video. Only one thing, that was not mentioned: why not simply going around?! The accident diagnosis was mainly about failure to break due to inactivated thrust reversers. But in the long seconds while the airplane was floating, eating half of the runway, why not simply activating the TOGA button and maximum thrust?
I worked close to the airport when this happened - on the landing path for 24L, in fact. I saw smoke leaving for the day and turned on the CBC to figure out what it was. I remember hearing on the radio that there were no survivors initially, though they corrected that pretty early. It was hours until they figured out everyone survived.
You could smell burning aluminum for days.
The A340 is so overlooked and under-appreciated for what is an incredibly safe and versatile aircraft. It's only had like half a dozen hull losses, none of which were fatal and none of which were attributle to any design flaw. I'd take that anyday over the likes of Boeing.
I like this aircraft. Under appreciated indeed. Lucky to have flown in it.
Heck yeah. We think the same. Airbus for the win. Also, the more modern A350, the A340's successor, has had 0 accidents, 0 hull breaches and 0 casualties as of August 10th, 2023. The A319, 320, 330 and 380 are also pretty safe. Here is a safety ranking in my opinion: Airbus > Boeing > McDonnell Douglas > Comet, though the accident stricken DC-10 was a beautiful plane (much before my time sadly), and it wasn't the plane's fault most of the time.
@@thatguyalex2835 "It wasn't the plane's fault most of the time." What a bone-chilling thing to say! Not a ringing endorsement. I agree, the DC-10 was a gorgeous plane, and pilots absolutely loved it, but like the 747, it was a bit of a rush job, and people died. In both cases early on were bad cargo door designs that let the doors blow off inflight.
I lived in southern Ontario at the time of the accident. First I heard of it I was driving home from work and was listening to the Toronto feed of CBC and the traffic reporter mentioned "the accident at Pearson". Yeah, the summer weather can get pretty intense down there.
Not mentioned in the video is that the provincial police force staked out the accident location to ticket those who stopped or slowed down to take pictures (not a good idea on a freeway where the posted speed limit is 100km/h and almost everyone goes at least 110).
This accident is a true testament to efficient evacuation procedures and cabin crew training.
The accident its self wasn't special in any way, but boy was that evacuation important to the story!
Well done to all those involved in getting everybody off swiftly.
That is so sad that the captain's career was over after this crash. Especially since he wasn't flying the plane.
It was his plane, thats what a captain is for, he's responsible for all stages of flight, so not sorry at all for such huge human error.
He was responsible as he was the captain. He did not make the needed decisions although he should have. Therefore he was not fit to fly. It was the only option Air France had in order not to damage their reputation.
Excellent video. However, the aircraft in the simulations looks like an A340-500 or -600, longer and with larger diameter engines, whereas the accident aircraft was an A340-300, more like the Lufthansa one shown at 1:50 with the smaller engines. I saw the smoke plume of this one while sailing in a race on Lake Ontario. Extraordinary luck that nobody died; the worst injured was the Captain. Excellent point about it being underpowered.
Looking forward to the museum pics! 🎉❤
Ugh, final reports always blaming the pilots 🙁Kinda irritating.
Great video as always, Chloe! Please keep them coming! 🙂
It wasn't a stable approach and they should have gone around, but they didn't. Hence pilot error.
Bcus they were to blame, no go around? And the last second deployment of the thrust reversers ?
Saves the day every time. Can't wait
good work
Thanks!
Awesome video! Could you do Taca flight 390?
This is a very good chanel
I am in tears and I don't know why.
You're on your period.
EXCELLENT!!
I live very close to Pearson and remember looking off my balcony and seeing the smoke, it was so chilling to see something like that in real life
Getting 300+ passengers and crew off in 90 seconds via what must have been only the front exits is an incredible feat.
Particularly when some are impeding that effort by trying to drag along personal luggage! 😣 WHY do people do that, esp. after a clearly extreme crash like this?! Keeping your passport, phone & meds on your person when flying only takes a little forethought, & surely anything else isn't worth your life - or anyone else's...?
Happens so unfortunately often. Wish I understood better whether this is people in shock operating on auto pilot, or really just self-absorbed eedjits endangering everybody else...?
AIR CHANCE... I would never fly with them, flight deck procedures were always suspect, thanks for the video.
If you are wondering what 28/19 temperature was in METAR - 19 stands for 19ºC dewpoint. Which shows that humidity was quite low.
That was... Odd to say the least, first time ever I encounter someone with exactly the same name as mine! Glad they ended up ok!
Suggestion for another “Disaster Averted” video - Eastwind Airlines Flight 517.
The Boeing 737 rudder hardover crashes - United Flight 585 and USAir Flight 427…and the averted one - that is, Eastwind Flight 517 seem to be passed over for some reason.
I know you’re likely working on 5-6 different videos at any given time but still, it would be cool to see your take on the two crashes and the one averted crash.
How do pilots try to land when half of the runway is already gone, plus bad weather and poor braking performance. That's criminal act.
This was the 2. Episode of ACI i ever wstched as a small kid back in '07 IT is when it all began ACI until now Season 23 pls never stop making new season ACI for Life!
AKA "Mayday" in Canada. It's the same show, just a different title.
I remember Air France went through a bad patch in the early 2000s with its safety record, starting with Concorde crash, like Korean Air in the 90s. I'm glad they were able fix the issues and improve their safety record.
A340 is one of the best looking civilian airlines to have existed. I’ve got a thing for the four engines lol
That road it crossed over is called convair drive and i would pass this spot to and from home every day on my way to work. It was so....ordinary. I found it so mind boggling this happened here and thankful no one was killed
Excellent !
I’ve been flying in and out of Boston Logan airport for over two decades, and every single time we’re landing I expect to end up in the ocean, either under shooting or overshooting the runway. I know irrational, but… having a sailboats -right- under the plans and not seeing land til you go boom is unsettling.
Just in time for my lunch break, perfect👌🏻
Enjoy lunch!!!
@@DisasterBreakdown I did!😊
Yeah with how busy the 401 can get its a miracle it didn't crash into the highway which not only would likely have resulted in the plane crashing into cars and trucks but might even start a pileup making everything worse from the injuries and possible death toll to making it more difficult for emergency services to get to the scene.