What a hopeless pair. The older guy should have remained quiet and let the younger one answer everything. He was in a constant state of fluster and defensiveness.
Their abrupt rebuff to the Toucan's offer without even an attempt at discussion is indicative of how clueless in business these two are. He dodged a bullet there - they'd be a nightmare to work with. I think they thought they were showing their backbone, but they weren't. They were displaying their lack of gumption.
Her and Touker are ex lovers...that's why him and her don't get along ...And Peter is their love child they had together . Didn't you know this ....Everyone knows this .
Holy cow, what a disaster, an absolute mess of a presentation and multiple instances of “making up” answers, then on top of that, they get a reasonable offer and decline it. These guys are hopeless.
I don't get it. How is that supposed to help a child read? I'm with Theo, I just don't understand the purpose, cause it doesn't help them read and they're gonna get bored with it quickly. It's just audiobooks with extra steps, that's basically what they've invented here. It doesn't help them understand the words any better, in fact it seems like Sara had a good point in that it'd probably make a child's pace even slower while reading because they'll be worried too much about the animation and not with the words they're reading.
How do you look at the fact only 3,000 out of 70,000 use it for free and not think what is going on?! I’ve gotta change something. Right product wrong entrepreneurs
Before Touker spoke, I thought selling *something* in children books sections was the right way to do it. You can have a dozen preview leaflets that when purchased the cashier either give them an activation code or take their email address for it to be sent to; you charge 1-2 pounds extra for a leaflet (than an app alone).
These two’re going to zero with a bullet. 100,000£ at 25%? I was expecting 40-50%. And they turned it down flat, no negotiation. Destined for mediocrity.
Once upon a time, in the Dragons Den, two dreamers arrived and pitched their product like Gruffalos. But the fairytale had a send end and they left with nothing. Oh, what a shame!!
If I was a dragon, personally, I wouldn't want to work with these guys, just something about them... I think Touker dodged a few sleepless nights with this deal ...
this invention actively does the very opposite of what these guys are claiming it does. it lessens imagination and incentive around reading -actual reading ,minus flashing lights and signals
No chance. The business model doesn't work. And 5% of children? They're joking, they'd be lucky to reach 0.1% of children with this. And this is ridiculously over valued. Total idiots to refuse investment. Even if it's a growing market, there will be many failures. This will likely be one of them. There is no evidence they're going to succeed at all. Doubt they get this off the ground. It was a fair offer from Touker for once. Should have taken the money.
too many colours, sounds, and movement, this is literally what is wrong with kids shows, cocomelon channel alone was found to have devastating effect on kids.
Biggest mistake of their lives. Could have been millionaires in a few years, they won't achieve anything by themselves. If the idea works, Google or some other major company will do it. Also, 'Smart Books Make Smart Kids' should not have a comma...
To me, they didn’t came for investments. They came to advertise the product, but it backfired on them. They have zero sells !! like we said Touker just dodged a bullet..good for him.
This guy should have been Bojo's representative when it came to allegations of parties at Westminster and whitehall. Barrels of laughs guaranteed 😅 - So did the prime minister know about the parties? - tomorrow. - no, no, can you answer the question please? - five years...
First second: cringe mode And yeah nice, just feed them images to replace the lively fantasy worlds in childrens heads in addition to all the social media and frankly quite sick kids youtube.👍
Screens, screens, screens 😢 One to learn how to read, one to make tooth brushing fun, etc, etc. Does no-one question this at all? Billions of kids learned to read or brush their teeth without animation 😒 I don't understand why you would want to raise your child like that.
1.1 stars on the app store, what a pair of muppets 😂😂75% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing 🤷♂️only getting 1 like on your Instagram posts is tragic and only having 149 followers 🤦♂️wrong decision boys, wrong decision!
Most schools give children free online access to books. The school pays, (eg razkids) the children have free access that books at any level. This doesn't work.
If you felt that a dragon should not help you you should have not gone there i hope real books dont go a nice book to hold in stead of sitting in front of a screen i love books real books.
He says what he wants in the beginning. "I'm feeling excited, obviously we want to get this out to the world and that's why we're here today". They just wanted a free TV advert. They were never there for the investment.
Looks like that’s what they are going to do and try retail so touker give them the idea and now it’s a massive gamble that they going into retail without a dragon time will tell
they should have worked with schools to integrate it into the curriculum, or even better, for children for disabilities. also, great concept and great product. Bad presentation and planning by the founders. Also, way too early!
Lol He thinks a book worm is guaranteed to do better in life... Reading is boring and unproductive , there is zero correlation between those that read books and those that are successful in life or even happier. He doesn't even know basic business . I bet the dragons don't ready many books , too busy being productive .
This was not only frustrating for the dragons.... This is frustrating to watch
The one entrepreneur is a supreme bullshiter 😂
It is not frustrating to watch for me
@@mosespeter9711it because you are already frustrated and you don’t know it.
Painful to watch , they're useless bless them 😂
They didn't even make a counter offer or attempt to negotiate, they would be painful to work with.
Ben literally threw a tantrum 😂 Look at his face! He'd be a proper nightmare to work with!
Peter was so disgusted by this pitch that he didn’t even turn up
He was so out he didn’t come in
@@shaywhelan4354i always come in
Peter He wasn’t well at the time so Theo came to fill in.
@@jonathan0834🙄
Touker's offer was very fair. They made a huge mistake.
I agree.
More like Touker dodged a bullet. These clowns would’ve been a nightmare
Can’t find them on the App Store so I’m guessing you’re right 😂
One of Touker’s more reasonable offers tbh
Sarah made the best decision based on nobody using it for free
What a hopeless pair. The older guy should have remained quiet and let the younger one answer everything. He was in a constant state of fluster and defensiveness.
They are crazy to refuse that deal, they are delusional.
💯
Yes and no
They're married to the registered number and not the active users number.
Yep, absolute morons. But I’m more pleased for Touker that he dodged the bullet
Bringing screens into everything is a no no. Reading books should be left traditional. Reducing screen time should be promoted.
exactly, their idea actually takes the value away from reading an actual book.
I agree with both of you, I think having a child having the tactile experience of reading an honest to god paper book is very important.
They didn’t deserve Touka’s offer I thought he was going to ask for 50 😂
I was thinking 45%, lol.
Their abrupt rebuff to the Toucan's offer without even an attempt at discussion is indicative of how clueless in business these two are. He dodged a bullet there - they'd be a nightmare to work with. I think they thought they were showing their backbone, but they weren't. They were displaying their lack of gumption.
Yes
Totally agree.
Toucan's offer
Well said
The
Now if Peter was there and had interrupted Deborah she would have said nothing
Her and Touker are ex lovers...that's why him and her don't get along ...And Peter is their love child they had together .
Didn't you know this ....Everyone knows this .
@@Mossyz. I thought they were unidenticle Siamese twins
@@tonytoonstours 🤣🤣
Mmmmm
My guess is it's his last name.
Holy cow, what a disaster, an absolute mess of a presentation and multiple instances of “making up” answers, then on top of that, they get a reasonable offer and decline it. These guys are hopeless.
"five years" answer was hilarious. Though granted, he didn't get the meaning of the question.
Got a reasonable offer and didn’t even try to negotiate at that. Truly clueless
5:34 the guy should go in to politics, he is great at not answering a question and attempting to baffle brains with B.S.
Absolutely he was infuriating to watch
I don't get it. How is that supposed to help a child read? I'm with Theo, I just don't understand the purpose, cause it doesn't help them read and they're gonna get bored with it quickly. It's just audiobooks with extra steps, that's basically what they've invented here. It doesn't help them understand the words any better, in fact it seems like Sara had a good point in that it'd probably make a child's pace even slower while reading because they'll be worried too much about the animation and not with the words they're reading.
Yes, and a 2M valuation in a pre revenue product it's just madness.
Teaching my kids how to read was one of the most joyous, rewarding experiences of my life. I would never, ever outsource that to a device.
That was Duncan's criticism with the I Teddy.
He thought it was the parent's role to read to their children.
virtue signalling much?
@@soilhands7853miserable much?
@@user-ds8gf3ki2g Lol really. Is teaching our own children how to read the new flex? How about how to walk and talk? Use the potty?
@@soilhands7853how is that virtue signaling?
How do you look at the fact only 3,000 out of 70,000 use it for free and not think what is going on?! I’ve gotta change something. Right product wrong entrepreneurs
That scouser was slippery. Anyone that finds it that easy to lie on the fly cant be trusted. Trust is the backbone of all transactions.
Brummy*
I’m surprised these clowns got an offer at all. Touker dodged a bullet by them rejecting
Scouser ? What a dummy, he's a Brummie 😅
Scouser 😂😂😂😂
Before Touker spoke, I thought selling *something* in children books sections was the right way to do it. You can have a dozen preview leaflets that when purchased the cashier either give them an activation code or take their email address for it to be sent to; you charge 1-2 pounds extra for a leaflet (than an app alone).
These guys have got absolutely NO chance. Good GRIEF, what an absolute disaster. Guessing they've gone under?
Seems that they’re actually doing ok.
Gone were the days of British innovation
@@ianrae1546 Where did you get your info please?
@@getin3949
Simple google search
I googled it and I got a different result.@@ianrae1546
He's a kind of saleman who sells you a trip to the Titanic in a shabby submarine.
The Titanic didn’t sink Olympic did Learn the truth
Creating a world of short attention span adults.. Lovely.
These two’re going to zero with a bullet. 100,000£ at 25%? I was expecting 40-50%. And they turned it down flat, no negotiation. Destined for mediocrity.
These guys give big scammer vibes how they pluck numbers out of thin air
Ironically, these guys seem like they have never actually read a book themselves. 'Doing learning'
Once upon a time, in the Dragons Den, two dreamers arrived and pitched their product
like Gruffalos. But the fairytale had a send end and they left with nothing. Oh, what a shame!!
If I was a dragon, personally, I wouldn't want to work with these guys, just something about them... I think Touker dodged a few sleepless nights with this deal ...
Theo was awarded the OBE last week. He stated “”what’s the point I can’t play the dratted thing””
OBE?
@@thabangkhatide Google?
@@thabangkhatide order of the British empire. Medal.
If Deborah had made that offer they would have tried to negotiate a deal.
this invention actively does the very opposite of what these guys are claiming it does. it lessens imagination and incentive around reading -actual reading ,minus flashing lights and signals
well you see if you just stuck a flow signal onto the ipad..
The guy's atittude is, ironically, very childish,
Givien them turning down a very reasonable offer, I'm thinking they never really wanted a dragon. They just wanted the exposure.
I was waiting for Theo to smash the thing and then go "This is not sturdy enough!"
Only decent Part of their website / App is you don’t have to talk or see that crazy guy on it.
No chance. The business model doesn't work. And 5% of children? They're joking, they'd be lucky to reach 0.1% of children with this. And this is ridiculously over valued. Total idiots to refuse investment. Even if it's a growing market, there will be many failures. This will likely be one of them. There is no evidence they're going to succeed at all. Doubt they get this off the ground. It was a fair offer from Touker for once. Should have taken the money.
too many colours, sounds, and movement, this is literally what is wrong with kids shows, cocomelon channel alone was found to have devastating effect on kids.
They came on dragons den for promotion not for a deal
Did they tell you that?
@@coolbeanz1702 yes
@@Leonardo07712 doubt it
''Touker I want a divorce'' - ''In that case i dont want to be with you anymore''...... Man, this guy has such an ego
This is why tech startups need to stop being so obsessed with growing user base before they're even concerned with making profit
Biggest mistake of their lives. Could have been millionaires in a few years, they won't achieve anything by themselves. If the idea works, Google or some other major company will do it. Also, 'Smart Books Make Smart Kids' should not have a comma...
To me, they didn’t came for investments. They came to advertise the product, but it backfired on them. They have zero sells !! like we said
Touker just dodged a bullet..good for him.
if peter was there he would of told them to jog on...and then go on a jog with them.
Keeping our kids away from screen time is the way forward.
Thank you! Yes! That was my first thought.
Fella on the left seemed frantic
Wow - didnt even want to negotiate!
This guy should have been Bojo's representative when it came to allegations of parties at Westminster and whitehall. Barrels of laughs guaranteed 😅
- So did the prime minister know about the parties?
- tomorrow.
- no, no, can you answer the question please?
- five years...
First second: cringe mode
And yeah nice, just feed them images to replace the lively fantasy worlds in childrens heads in addition to all the social media and frankly quite sick kids youtube.👍
Where's Peter?
Screens, screens, screens 😢
One to learn how to read, one to make tooth brushing fun, etc, etc.
Does no-one question this at all?
Billions of kids learned to read or brush their teeth without animation 😒
I don't understand why you would want to raise your child like that.
Clearly just there for the airtime, but they couldn't present themselves any worse. Unprepared, Unprofessional.
1.1 stars on the app store, what a pair of muppets 😂😂75% of a lot is better than 100% of nothing 🤷♂️only getting 1 like on your Instagram posts is tragic and only having 149 followers 🤦♂️wrong decision boys, wrong decision!
That guy makes a lousy entrepreneur. Keeps on guesstimating, best way to lure any investor
"We know we can take this far without a dragon" so why come on the show and waste everyone's time then?
some of those dragons think they are really special so they have money so what
Toukers idea was so bad. He must feel lucky that they refused it outright!
I wonder if they had research backing up their claims.
No
Touker's offer shouldn't be less than 33%!
Ben and Lee went merrily into the den to talk to the dragons about there super new idea, Ben should of stayed at home 😅
Toucha waites till no1 invests then sharks an offer
I think they was out before tuca said he was out tbh
That guy sounds like he went to the Pro Gains School of Business.....
Naive and arrogant with a throw away idea that’s way over valued.
Most schools give children free online access to books. The school pays, (eg razkids) the children have free access that books at any level. This doesn't work.
They come across a very dislikable duo
If you felt that a dragon should not help you you should have not gone there i hope real books dont go a nice book to hold in stead of sitting in front of a screen i love books real books.
Correct. There's a bloody app for everything nowadays 😅
A real book gives you a different, more fulfilling experience, imho.
Kids need less screens growing up, not more. People have gotten lazy and choose the easy option and chuck a tablet at their child. Its so wrong.
Tej and his “pwaduct”🤣🤣
What do you remember about your childhood? A screen!
0:10
Men when they see a vulnerable girl
Uploads use to be for lunch, then late lunch to after work viewing 😂
They are a couple of fools for not taking that deal. They will go nowhere now.
If you can take it far without a dragon then why did you come crawling on your knees into the den??????
Would be better to develop the scheme for public schools.
Deborah is simply the best.
I didn’t know clowns did a double act 😂
Dragons never heard of leapfrog?
He says what he wants in the beginning.
"I'm feeling excited, obviously we want to get this out to the world and that's why we're here today".
They just wanted a free TV advert. They were never there for the investment.
God saved you Touker.
Toker got bare space for this 😁
But it was let down 😮😂😂😂
I could not work with this guy, he can't give an answer to a simple question, not sure why the 2nd guy was there, hardly said anything.
Looks like that’s what they are going to do and try retail so touker give them the idea and now it’s a massive gamble that they going into retail without a dragon time will tell
I’m surprised they could read a children’s book 😂
Haha, that tool probably thinks this free exposure would work in his favor, so didnt need to negotiate to an offer. Talk about lack of self awareness
Ben looks like Mr. Bean
Theo did do a good job on this one though
What a waste of money. Fun factor. Then just boring for the child. Ben hasn’t really thought this tru. Hahaha
Nah but the thing is he’s my uncle (Ben/Benjamin ridgway)
they should have left Ben at home
Deborah is still pretty, without Peter it doesn't seem the same,.even with theo back.
UA-cam frustrated with outdated dragon dent 😮
This was painful to watch
is it just me or did they need to use the book to work on there own speech
they should have worked with schools to integrate it into the curriculum, or even better, for children for disabilities.
also, great concept and great product. Bad presentation and planning by the founders. Also, way too early!
Lol He thinks a book worm is guaranteed to do better in life... Reading is boring and unproductive , there is zero correlation between those that read books and those that are successful in life or even happier. He doesn't even know basic business . I bet the dragons don't ready many books , too busy being productive .
Imagine encouraging a child to read like Forrest Gump
We all start out reading like him.. you're no exception.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Cocaine is a helluva drug . Not good for dragons den guys
They are so smart 🤓 the dragons den people
Dragons were dumb on this one
Little known fact: Evan Davis, the narrator of the show, suffers from a rare condition whereby he can’t stop making puns
When James Corden stole a joke, he had to publicly apologise
You're worse than James Corden, let that sink in
They would have to grt new books and stories yo maintain subs. That isnt happening with these guys